Thread 715530184

Windows is dead. Everyone has moved onto Linux. Why haven't you?

Rate my desktop. I got bored of Win98 theme and felt nostalgic for Aero
>>715530184 (OP)
I did. I just hope GabeN will fix the Redhat/Gnome/Wayland fuckery. Also go to the XLibre way.

>>715530184 (OP)
>kike botnet: the OS
Fuck off, shill. I'm not installing your steam cancer.

>>715530625
>29 degrees

>>715530625
>xlibre
usecase?

>>715530184 (OP)
It's happening much faster than I anticipated, I thought it would take like 15-20 years for valve to kill windows but we are already hitting an accelerating curve.

>>715530701
celcius

>>715530184 (OP)
I only have one SSD

>>715530184 (OP)
erotic video games

maybe in future when the make a dedicated desktop version ill install it and use windows through VM

Because I have no guarantee that it will work with all my games that run on Windows. Also Turdux would never become competent at gaming without Valve's involvement. If anything I will just move to Steam OS if it turns out actually good, as I'd rather trust a OS made specifically with gaming in mind rather than something made and maintained by programmer troons.

>>715531437
you know valve doesn't actually "make" steamos

>>715531437
>maintained by programmer troons.
as opposed to the cis whites working on windows and steam?

>>715530184 (OP)
It's a choice between
>have a shitty OS that works
And
>have a non-shitty OS that doesn't work
And that's why no one uses Linux

>>715530184 (OP)
I've been using Debian for a week now. Better than when I tried Linux Mint or Ubuntu. I'm sticking with it this time for real, unironically.

>>715532885
>It doesn't work but it's not shitty because...it just isn't okay

>>715530184 (OP)
Linux still lacks some stuff that I absolutely need.

>>715530184 (OP)
i just want to play my games linux is too annoying to deal with

Does linux have proper HDR support yet? Not shitting on linux, it's truly what's holding me back right now.

>>715532885
>Windows just works
Actually it doesn't

>>715533746
support is relatively new so temper your expectations, but yes as long as you use gnome or kde

>>715530184 (OP)
With Steam you don't own your videogames. I'd rather pirate and use Windows.

>>715530184 (OP)
>Everyone has moved onto Linux
I know nobody who uses Linux. Linux gaming is a meme and not a legit way to game at least right now

>>715532885
Windows is just held to much lower standards than Linux in terms of functionality even though it is openly acknowledged that not only is every other Windows version unfiltered shit, but that Microsoft hasn't put out a good OS since 7.
>>715533567
>Here comes the audio engineer/CAD designer/photoshop enthusiast who really wants his kernel level spyware Chinese game, though he won't actually say what he needs to use
I just run a Windows VM for CAD and it werks. The added functionality makes running Windows in a VM better than baremetal anyway.
>>715533746
Gamescope has it and there is support in KDE, Hyprland and GNOME.

>>715530184 (OP)
>Everyone has moved onto Linux
i use Linux and this is a lie
don't invite normies and npcs into Linux, it only breeds disaster

>>715534146
I see. I have an extra ssd so I should probably at least try it. Last time I tried linux was a couple of years ago and the gpu driver support was abysmal, I got screen tearing on the damn desktop.

Linux has no photoshop
That alone makes it a meme
Maybe 50 years later

>>715534476
Yeah the adobe suite has no competitive linux alternatives or way to run it on linux
>kernel level spyware Chinese game
yeah tft is fun sometimes. blow it our your ass.

>>715531437
what games do you want to play that wont through loonix?
>valorant
>league
>etc
Literally the only games i will say that youre better off not playing. VR stuff is complicated but it does work and im installing endeavour right now to try and see if i can get it to a usable point where mint just shit the bed for me. Otherwise, i have literally not come across anything that wouldnt need more work than a standard .exe

>>715534575
>driver problems
you must be one of those nvidia users. blame nvidia for doing jack shit to support the linux stack.

>>715535026
>Sing the praises of le open source
>open source community does fuck all to make industry standard hardware work
>all your non-autistic distros are backed by megacorps
curious

>>715535026
most people have nvidia

>>715535140
don't forget
>gaming only feasible because steam jew with a chip on his shoulder dumped money into proton development

old linux graybeards didn't give a shit about video games at all. they're proprietary software. their personal computing devices are for operating & compiling free software only. FREE THE SOFT!!

>>715535140
>open source community does fuck all to make industry standard hardware work
It's almost like the "industry standard hardware" has a vested interest in that status quo, aka "fuck you, buy our server/workstation hardware and pay a subscription for our drivers".

>>715535189
not on linux they don't.
>>715535140
why would FOSS buy hardware from a corporation that doesn't support its ecosystem?
we do have perfectly functional drivers on linux. for amd. nvidia has been putting in some work lately, but it's still lagging far behind.

>>715535601
>Switch to our shitty OS!!
>Also get rid of your superior GPU and switch to shitty AMD crap!
I'm good.

>>715535527
>Pay a subscription to use our drivers
It's funny how linuxfags just make shit up to try and groom people into switching since the strengths of their OS aren't enough to stand on their own apparently

>>715536016
Nvidia literally has a subscription service for their vGPU drivers and would really prefer it if you only used it on their overpriced variants of consumer chips (though vGPU unlock does exist).
They do not offer proper, open source Linux drivers, because it would start cannibalizing their fake and gay enterprise/consumer market segregation.

>>715536618
>They offer a subscription service for this random feature only companies have any practical use for!!11
oh no
anyway

>>715530184 (OP)
Lol no it didn't. I still have to use Office 365 and Azure for my work

>>715536925
I'm sorry, but professional goalpost moving is only included in 4chan-enterprise.

>>715537216
i never had to pay for drivers
>B-BUT COMPANIES
don't care

You'll never make Linux cool. This is just like when Apple was the flavour of the decade. Eventually you'll realise the limitations and come crying back to good old Bill Gates.

>>715530682
Be honest, which os isn't kike botnet?

>>715530184 (OP)
Troonix gives worse performance, worse game compatibility, worse piracy compatibility, worse modding compatibility, and it's a pain in the ass to use outside of gaming. Troonix gaming doesn't even exist, it's literally just taking windows games and windows redistributables and libraries and emulating or translating them. If windows gaming dies, which it won't since xbox will become windows and the esports and streaming shit is only growing larger and larger, then people would just use consoles as Linux gaming would die too seeing as it doesn't exist without being a parasite leeching off of windows.

>>715530184 (OP)
Gee, I can't even imagine why windows is absolutely dogshit now

>>715535140
>why doesn't the free open-source software community fix these proprietary closed-source drivers?!
Truly a mystery...

>>715539008
I can play Doom without any Windows binaries THOUGH.
Now please move the goalposts to exclude Doom from your definition of gaming.

>>715530184 (OP)
Because I do more than gaming on my PC.

>>715533859
Now show me you playing an online game with kernel anticheat or running adobe.

>>715530184 (OP)
I did. it's trash. Windows 11 is worse, but linux is still trash.

I miss Win7

>>715539420
enjoy yourself lil bro, doesnt change the fact that your linux shilling is cringe and nonsensical. 99% of steam library that works on linux is just running windows games and windows redistributables, and steam is not even PC gaming, outside of steam most of standalone launchers and shit like EGS or GOG work like shit on linux, and most online games just dont work at all

>>715530184 (OP)
I play boomer games and read boomer visual novels often and these pieces of shit will commonly give me trouble running them even on Windows. I don't want my situation to get worse.

>>715540057
The only games with anti-cheat are competitive multiplayer. Competitive multiplayer is a dead genre due to hacks and AI. This does not impact me.

>>715540353
>steam is not even PC gaming
Correct. It's better because Valve actually tries to solve some of the issues of pc gaming with things like shader pre-caching and automatically handling redistributables.

>>715530184 (OP)
I am going to wait till my Win 10 LTSC supports ends and hope that linux will become good enough

>>715540353
>99% of steam library that works on linux is just running windows games and windows redistributables
Ok and? It works.
>steam is not even PC gaming
Like 95% of the PC gaming market isn't even PC gaming, ok retard

>>715540991
Old games will usually run better on linux/wine than on new windows versions.

>>715530625
Good taste in women.

>>715543592
This.

>>715531437
> Turdux would never become competent at gaming without Valve's involvement
Not true. Wine was already working and I know because I used it before Proton. Wine developers were by far the biggest contributors of windows games on Linux, followed by Vulkan, DXVK, Proton, and Valve. Without years of Wine development none of this would have been possible and Wine3D already worked and still works. DXVK contributed to better performance and less bugs but it was only possible because of Vulkan. Proton only really auto-patches games, it's not that impressive. Valve is the commercial part that brings more people.

>>715530184 (OP)
Because nothing will compare to XP, anything beyond is feature creeping, memory leaks and spyware

>>715530184 (OP)
I have an Arch installation on my other SSD, but I don't use it as often as my other one containing Windows. The reason for that is I accidentally overwrote GCC with a cross-compiler for another platform and I could no longer start Window Maker as a result of doing that. I'm not aware of any fail-safes that I can implement to prevent me from accidentally nuking my environment, so I went back to Windows and experiment using WSL. I'll come back eventually once I feel like I can make my way around the system without fucking anything up beyond repair.

>>715540353
There's no reason to use worse official launchers, especially not on GOG that doesn't need a launcher at all.

>>715531437
Also Steam OS is just locked down Arch Linux. You can have "Steam OS" right now.

>>715530184 (OP)
4chan will be the last holdout of Windows users, mark my words.

>>715544970
You're not supposed to write anything in system packages, only in your home directory. You can also destroy windows if you write in the C:\Windows directory. If you insist a system should be safer, even though you need root access to destroy your system, you can install something like NixOS which guarantees package integrity.

>>715530184 (OP)
I'm moving when Win10 support ends. Is Manjaro good or should I pick something else?

>>715530184 (OP)
>>715530184 (OP)
>Everyone has moved onto Linux. Why haven't you?
Because I removed the bullshit Microsoft’s tries to force on you when you Install Windows 11.

>>715540057
I wouldn't even use Adobe software if you paid the subscription fee for me.

>>715539008
> Troonix gives worse performance
False. Linux is sometimes faster others slower, but not by much.

> worse game compatibility
Mixed. Old games work better on Linux but new ones might not always work.

> worse piracy compatibility
Probably.

> worse modding compatibility
No clue if yes or no.

> and it's a pain in the ass to use outside of gaming.
False. Windows is a lot more painful when you want to do anything useful that isn't a GUI toy application. GUI is not advanced like windows users think, it's just limited and made for dummies.

>>715545945
>> worse modding compatibility
>No clue if yes or no.
Would depend on game and the nature of mods. For most there is no difference, for games that use dll overrides it's less intuitive to get working.

Loonix

>>715545595
Don't pick Manjaro, just go to straight to Arch. Manjaro nay seem easier at first because you got a GUI wizard installer but you will only get frustrated when you try AUR and it doesn't work. Arch has a easy to understand installer now so there's no excuse.

>>715538875
The one you don't wanna use.

>>715546048
>Appimage

>>715545712
For me the dealbreaker in Win11 is the account requirement,
glad to see it's somehow possible to avoid, but I'm going to stick with Win10 until I can't

>>715546048
What do you call this? Yes you can install these. On another machine too. Although depending on what you're installing and what is already installed (or isn't to be more accurate) it could be a huge pain.

>>715546145
>go straight to arch
You don't teach someone to swim by plunging them into the deep end
EndeavourOS is arch for newbies

>>715546048
retarded bait

>>715530184 (OP)
Windows 11 is dogshit bloatware.
Windows 10 is pretty awful bloat too
Windows has been money-chasing installing way too much data collection bullshit and forced advertisments for years and it's biting them in the ass now. People don't want that, they want their computer UI to just work as a computer UI.
There hasn't been a good windows since XP and the good faith they built up has gone which is why people are moving to linux.
Windows getting the monopoly early fucked over any chance of competition. We needed another decade of competitors trying to make UIs but windows perfected it with 98 so everyone gave up

>>715530184 (OP)
No one's using that hot garbage.

>>715546610
I can accept EndeavourOS because it's mostly just Arch. Manjaro isn't. I'd go straight to Arch thought, that's what I did.

>>715539249
>Brown
>AIslop
like shit and piss

>>715546343
I have no strong feelings about any os.

>>715545595
Arch and its derivatives is when you want to be at the mercy of a wiki or smug and unhelpful trannies when something inevitably goes wrong on your specific hardware configuration (it will, eventually)
Just save yourself the hassle and install fedora.

>>715530184 (OP)
I have since Lossless Scaling started supporting it like 3 days ago. Windows is finished.

>>715540057
>Now show me you playing an online game with kernel anticheat
Here you go.

>>715546824
EndeavourOS is way better for a newbie. Arch has a lot of shit you need to know about before you can use it reasonably.
Like a brand new user isn't gonna know what split lock detection is, they won't know what btrfs scrub is, they won't know what a fstrim.timer is. You have to read a lot of shit to get Arch to do what you want.

>>715534384
>I know nobody who uses Linux. Linux gaming is a meme and not a legit way to game at least right now
Hey, what's it like in 2015? Actually I'd like to go back, I miss a time when I wasn't dead inside

>>715539249
>Mike Matei
Wtf, Big Dick Mike is now a lead programmer at Microsoft?

>>715544215
>95% of pc gaming market
riot client or ea client or esg alone has as many users if not more than steam. you live in an echo chamber where steam is hyper popular, the most popular game on steam is counter strike which isnt even 10% as popular as games like fortnite, gta, league

>>715546668
>>715546581
>>715546428
>t. loonix tinkertrannies

w10 ltsc has like 10 more years and the pros/cons of switching arent that good to justify all the work to migrate and learn an new so

>>715546145
>>715546824
I've been using Manjaro for 5 years without problems and it just works, I'm not going to switch to Arch because some 40 year old neckbeards on /v/ got upset.

W10 is definitely my last MS OS, my brother has had nothing but issues on W11 and my W11 work laptop is absolute fucking dogshit, not to mention Copilot is fucking AIDS.
Not interesting in this borderline-malware shit on my personal PC.

>>715530184 (OP)
I can't be assed
>steamOS
Ew

if i get linux is there a way to run legacy software for windows? like if i want to play the pc version of the old harry poter games that are only for windows can i play them?

>saar please redeem the SteamOS
No, I don't think so

>>715545712
>Because I removed the bullshit Microsoft’s tries to force on you when you Install Windows 11.
Microsoft will remove those hacks in the next version, they have already announced it.

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2025/03/28/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-26200-5516-dev-channel/

>>715548081
you can and in some cases it runs better on linux.

>>715548081
Yes, old shit works the best by far

>>715548081
It comes down to the specific game. There are some that work pretty poorly on Linux, but that's not most of them.

>>715540057
I don't know if this counts for you, but I got Insurgency, Vermintide 2, and Darktide to all work on Bazzite. Those all use EAC, Steam installed some services to specifically to make them run on Linux.

>>715530970
We're at year 12 since Gabe Newell laughed Microsoft out of the room and launched Steam for Linux so 15-20 years seems to be about the right time line.

>>715540353
>didn't even move the goalposts
Okay. I accept your concession that Linux gaming is actually not just Windows executables as originally stated.
>"your linux shilling"
/v/ isn't one person.
>99%
More like 85% desu

>>715547892
If you don't use AUR at all it will work. If you do it won't always work.

lol

>>715547162
Fedora is a lot worse in that regard. The drivers are usually outdated and the wizards don't always work. The only advantage is that in Arch you configure things like printers and scanners with files, but on the other hand Fedora, Debian, and friends don't always work, so it's not really much of an advantage. Source is trust me bro, I've used both.

>>715549218
you probably didnt understand me. riot client alone has more users than steam, blizzard client alone has more users than steam, microsoft client has more users than steam. i think you dont understand how big the world is and how big pc gaming is, minecraft or gta online or league of legends or call of duty are all standalone as solo titles one by one bigger each than entirety of steam's userbase. and people only play on PC so they can play those games, dead singleplayer games that get like 100k players on steam are a meme, most singleplayer gamers are on consoles, pc is for streaming, online games that dont work on linux, and piracy. you are an oldhead and out of touch

>>715547162
the hardest part of setting up arch is network printing. the rest just fucking works.

>>715549458
You can easily draw circles in gimp though. Fail.

>>715547162
I never had to ask on any forum or anything for solutions for linux, there's always some post somewhere on google already answering it.
And i been using linux for a while and doing a bunch of retarded shit, like mono audio.

>>715530184 (OP)
Gabe Newell is evil. He is responsible for not owning games, he is one of early inventors of microtransactions and live service games. Fuck him

>>715530184 (OP)
Mac is certified Linux

>>715549596
>>715549675
>>715549853
>Arch loyalist samefags 3 times to a post I made an hour ago
If someone is immediately skips the normal distro and wants to go for manjaro it means they don't care to actually learn about arch and are creating issues for themselves in the future. If you want stable but still pretty bleeding edge just install fedora simple as

>>715530184 (OP)
modern games are shit. older games work on older windows so there is no need to ever "upgrade" windows or move to linux. i still have hundreds games ive never played before me

>>715546048
GNU/Linux had Windows-style wizard installers in the 90s anon, Quake 3 and other native games shipped using them as a way to try to appeal to people coming over from Windows.
They largely lost out to AppImage / AppDirectories similar to other UNIX based workstation OSes because what happened was Windows users mostly switched to NT, and then as they slowly realized how bad it was they switched away from it at a rate slow enough the ones who switched acclimated to the UNIX culture so there was no big push for the Windows-alike despite all the attempts.

Actually you can still sort of get what you are asking for with Slackware + AppImage today. A completely no-frills old school retro-90s OS that is still actively maintained.

>You can't make an offline Windows account, just with a hidden terminal command
Windows became so shit it's unbelieveable. You can be delusional about Linux not being good but if you think current Windows is good, you're either retarded or a zoomer.

>>715530184 (OP)
Linux is the most insecure OS, it doesn't matter what version you use.

Linux is not a real os. It is just a meme. People for some reason take it seriously. That is, until they have to use it...

I just want to use HDR and VR with my Nvidia card.

>>715530184 (OP)
I did almost a decade ago, dual booted so I could use some windows apps, ended up using mostly windows and eventually just got rid of linux. Windows has gotten considerably shitter in that time so I've been thinking about switching back, probably whenever I upgrade my shitbox since i need a bigger ssd anyway

>>715550010
>>715549853 here, i'm not a "loyalist" or anything.
If anything, i never actually tried fedora fedora, so i have no opinion on it whatsoever.
It's more of a general linux thing rather than a specific distro.
If you need to downmix the channels to mono in your fedora distro for example,you will be finding the same answers i did, and doing the same thing if you're using pulseaudio.

Windows peaked here https://youtu.be/xPCE4BvikYc

>>715550203
Good thing no one thinks Windows is good then.

Does steamos work on nvidia gpus, or whatever problem I heard there was with something like that? I don’t know anything about linux.

>>715548081
I made the switch last week, and I was amazed by how well old games run on linux, Medieval 2 runs way smoother.
I just need to learn how to make dgvoodoo to be forced on other games now.

>>715550861
right now steamos is not supported on anything other than the steamdeck
if you want a gaming distro for linux you can use bazzite. nvidia does work but you can expect more bugs and a performance hit compared to amd.

>>715550861
just install Mint bro, steamos is just for handheld computers.

>>715550010
Fedora is not bleeding edge at all. It's the opposite of that. It's a stable distro.

>>715551309
>>715551334
I’ll look at them then, thanks.

>>715551531
fedora is a bleeding edge point release distro.
it's bleeding edge when it comes out, then it's stable for 6 months, and repeat.

>>715550413
Blame Nvidia for not giving a fuck about Linux.
This is the future when they stop caring about gaming entirely since they make all their money off of AI.

>>715546048
meanwhile in reality linux justwerks most of the time and you dont have to give some stinking jeet 24/7 AI surveillance to your manga folders

for people who really care about running the single digit % games that proton can't magically interpret you can always dual boot on a cheaper HDD and still avoid giving smelly shitjeetsoft money

there is no good argument against using linux for gaming anymore

>>715550861
Steam OS is literally just Arch with KDE except it's explicitly customized for AMD hardware.

>>715551695
Shit sucks, but I doubt that I'll be switching cards anytime soon.

>>715551807
Being based on arch =/= "literally just arch"
It's not rolling release and the OS is immutable, plus they actually test and fine-tune everything in it unlike arch which just yolos everything immediately to your OS.

>>715534476
That's cute, windows has been shit since 3.1 if you actually criticize it

>>715530184 (OP)
next time i build a PC, i'm planning to, but until then, i'm just going to keep on keeping on with my current OS

>>715546041
I've managed to get most mods working with games that I play with just innoextracting the bundled exe but it's such a large field that I cannot certainly say it works for everyone.

>>715552043
>arch which just yolos everything immediately to your OS.
arch has a 2 week testing repository, so not quite "yolo"

>>715552043
Arch has stable and testing repos. It's not Arch's fault that devs don't test shit sometimes. Also you can update monthly so there you can have your point release distro.

>>715530184 (OP)
>Everyone has moved onto Linux
Fuck off, we're full

>>715552383
>2 weeks of community testing vs. multi billion dollar company directly trying to steal market share from another hegemon
Not even really comparable.

>>715552421
Fixed point release and extensively tested packages in an immutable OS is pretty antithetical to normal arch. Arch's main thing is le customization and latest and greatest and steamOS locks the OS down quite a bit while releases are spaced out months at a time.

>>715551827
maybe I should just ditch nvidia
I had to switch from local to cloud anyway so I don't care about CUDA anymore

>>715552651
I formerly had a Dell laptop with Nvidia Optimus that was actual hell.

What is the ideal operating system for the person who hates Steam, hates Gabe Newell, hates Valve, hates SteamOS, and wants an anti-Steam system?

>>715553540
MacOS

>>715553540
steam isn't involved in any distribution other than steamos on linux
you can use something like lutris or bottles to never go through steam to play games on linux if you want.

>>715553223
>HDMI cables
even if you are a retard, you can just use steamlink and shit just works.

>>715553540
Plan 9 or templeOS depending on the depth of your schizofrenia

>>715530625
Comfy

>>715553593
Reasons why macOS is the operating system I'm looking for?

>>715530625
>Overwatch 2
Get better taste.

>>715534647
>he still uses photoshop in the year of flux
Keklmao

>>715553884
most steam games literally don't run on MAC, because Mac gave up on the pc gaming market around 2000.

>>715540991
Old games unironically run better on Linux and give much less problems/will usually "just werk" compared to Windows
Linux has plenty of issues, but old games is one of its strengths

>>715530625
>Also go to the XLibre way.
I just use wayland. I don't ssee the point of the Xlibre autism.

the steamOS page makes me a bit spooked still
this doesnt officially run on pc
and they claim to be searching for partners to make platforms to ship with it
but i dont want a handheld or a prebuilt gabe pc

so its still nothing as far as Im concerned
Until they just release the os for all it can remain an idea and a curiosity for handhelds, but nothing more

its important to remember nearly all business use windows, and they likely have no fear of this currently

>>715554145
And are there emulators on macOS?

By the way, I only want to emulate consoles that give me the impression of a person who hates PC gaming and hates Nintendo.

>>715554015
>flux
wtf is this
just googled this and the first video was literal jet talking about ai

>>715530625
QRD on this Xlibre shit, i've seen it on /g/ before and know that the dev is based but what i don't know is why wayland is cringe/gay. I guess they had a LGBT icon? But does that make the wayland software itself bad?

>>715554632
>fell for the guerilla marketing
ngmi

>>715545712
>having to jump through flaming hoops just to have a somewhat sane os install
>wintoddlers will defend this

I'm using CachyOS. It's been pretty good. I'm glad to ditch the MS glowies at least.

>>715554494
yeah, most emulators will have a mac release.

>>715554953
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Emulators_on_macOS

>>715530184 (OP)
There are probably some games that wouldn't run on it, and if there are issues I would have a far easier time troubleshooting and fixing them myself on Windows since I've got more experience with it. Theoretically I'd have better performance both from gaming and AI sloppa and the two of those are 99% of what I'd be doing BUT Linux is Linux

>>715530184 (OP)
>Everyone has moved onto Linux
>Why haven't you?
Pick one. And your cherry picked examples from some weird PC handheld don't really matter for my PC.

>>715535026
>it's everybody else's fault when shit doesn't work even though it works somewhere else
This doesn't work. It has never worked. It will never work.
>one of those nvidia users
Yeah, only 90% market share. Nothing to worry about.

>>715537216
The goalposts started at "you lying retard, you don't have to buy a subscription to get your nvidia drivers" and moved to "you lying double retard, you don't have to buy a subscription to get your nvidia drivers". You got him.

>>715540991
They're lying to you and you know it.

>>715530625
>J-san plays overwatch

>>715546448
>somehow
It's easy to avoid. You don't know computers, don't worry about an account. It's like a 4-year-old pretending to be worried about modern printing techniques.

>>715555446
>even though it works somewhere else
But Nvidia's drivers literally don't work properly anywhere but Windows, and they're closed source anyways, so Nvidia is the only one that's doing any work on them, yet they still suck.
Because Nvidia doesn't give a fuck about Linux, hell, they barely give a fuck about anything that's not AI-related these days.

>>715548137
it's funny when they just give a boilerplate reason of enhancing security, when it's just a small minority of power users who are using command prompt to have a local account on their pc.

i think a pc is a lot more secure when all your information on it isn't tied to a microsoft account that's inevitably going to be involved in a mass data breach.

>>715554480
>nearly all business use windows
Business desktops also aren't used for PC gaming.

English-speaking PC gamers have started to adopt non-Microsoft OSes at levels never seen before, and they were one of the last hold outs over 90% on Windows. NT is under 2/3 of desktop users in the USA now as well which is a substantial drop in a short amount of time.
The only reason Microsoft doesn't care about this, is they really don't care about desktop anymore. They're an enterprise services company now. The entire user-facing portion of the business doesn't really matter to them.

>>715554710
You have to jump through hoops for absolutely everything on Linux. If you're lucky enough you hit the distro that thinks having proper mouse settings is bloat, or whatever else is fucked in any of the other distros.
Or jumping through hoops to get the thing that used to work working again.

>>715555769
Actually, now that I think about it, their drivers don't even work properly on Windows nowadays, which is wild to see nowadays considering it used to be an AMD meme to have shit drivers.

>>715550203
Linux without internet is worse than Windows without internet.

>>715554710
Windows retards will spend most of their computing time battling against the OS while claiming that any options require too much tinkering.

>>715550861
Your nvidia card will be gimped, no matter which version of Linux you install.

>>715556041
Maybe if you're talking about Windows XP, but current Windows is awful without internet.

>>715555867
I don't understand posts like this. I decided to try linux this year and that's not true at all.

>>715553540
Windows 8. Not 8.1, just 8.

>>715550861
Just steer clear of wayland that's where most nvidia issues lie.

>>715531806
>whites working on windows
lmao.

>>715530184 (OP)
My music production software doesn't work on it, among other things.

>>715555826
But gaming PC are used for work.
>adopt non-Microsoft OSes at levels never seen before,
You're not posting any actual numbers because you'd embarrass yourself with your sub 2% nonsense. And it only managed to get "up" there because Valve made a handheld which runs it in the background.

>>715556240
actual professional music software works well you just haven't set up JACK

>>715555551
Except that Nvidia does have subscription service drivers (https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/buy-grid/) for their enterprise cards that are functional on a lot of their consumer cards, because they use the same chips.
The point was never that the consumer drivers are subscription based, but rather that they don't offer open source Linux versions of their drivers to prevent potential open source versions of their enterprise oriented software.

>>715556330
I don't know what you mean dude, my preferred software doesn't work on it so it's useless to me.

>>715556301
>But gaming PC are used for work.
Not really.
I have a gaming PC and a work PC provided by my job, I can count on one hand the amount of times I've used my gaming PC for my work in the last 2-3 years.

>>715531806
Have you not seen the Microsoft Layoffs and outsourcing news lately? I don't even know if I would trust the LTS security updates for people who are still latching onto that.

>>715556301
>But gaming PC are used for work.
With how locked down Windows 11 work machines are now, I find that hard to believe. Windows numbers are getting inflated due to users having an additional Windows machine forced on them for work even when it doesn't make sense.

>you'd embarrass yourself with your sub 2% nonsense
GNU/Linux hasn't been under 2% now for a long time. 7% of US desktops, and 5% of western Steam users.

>Valve made a handheld which runs it in the background.
But OSes by definition are running in the background while you use other software? SteamOS is a pretty standard GNU/Linux distribution.

>>715530184 (OP)
Crushing Win11 on what? What operating system is most used by Steam users?

>>715555867
sounds like a massive skill issue my dude
i wish you well

>>715557738
>Crushing Win11 on what?
performance, specifically
and battery efficiency on laptops and handheld pcs

>>715530992
why does that matter?

>>715557863
Yeah, I'd believe that. Windows is Apple-tier these days.

>>715545712
>Because I run totally dubious code that can not be audited in principle to get around microsoft being creepy
Trading the devil you know for the devil you don't. Seems legit. Legit retarded.

>>715530184 (OP)
It's very funny that GabeN, mister "Piracy is a service problem", is quickly causing piracy to be on the rise again because his service have been rapidly getting shittier over the past few years (thanks to whoever is in charge of updating Steam clearly not giving a shit about anything beyond Windows 11), and they don't really have any competitors to take the influx of disgruntled users.

>>715556394
i'm hobbyist tier but reaper works as well under windows as it does on linux
yabridge is also a godsend, even if i have to interact with it via terminal
what are you using, protools?
that's one little fucking bitch in any os, honestly

>>715549424
What the fuck is an AUR and why would I want to use it?

>>715557863
the funniest part is microshaft, having OEMs tightly wrapped around its little finger, could easily create the best OS on the market and capture 99.999% of the market, but they refuse because they think it's more profitable to ship taskbar ads.

>>715558760
the arch user repository is an easy (and dangerous) way to install software not included by default in arch.

>>715558308
Not sure what you mean. The user experience for Steam on GNU/Linux based OSes is excellent.
If support for older versions of Microsoft are dropping off, it doesn't seem to be Valve that is at fault. Microsoft's closed source nature makes it impossible for anyone else to support their old OSes if Microsoft won't do it themselves.

>>715558760
it's the equivalent of windows folk installing sketchy "fixes"

>>715534647
photoshop works on linux though
or you can use krita

>>715551651
Also known as not being bleeding edge. What kind of nonsense are you trying to pull off? If you have to wait 6 months, it's of bleeding edge, period.

>>715558231
you're free to review the code yourself, all it does is change some registry values, but even with this 11 is not only not safe, but just absolute shit in general so why bother installing it at all

>>715555769
>>715535026
>>715555960
im not on anyone's "side" but its disingenuous to just say "oh you use the best cards on the market that consume an overwhelming majority of the marketshare, huh weird, you should use a worse product to get a worse/more involved experience both from a user and performance standpoint", like yes there will be people who do that just to use linux but you can see its not the reasonable option unless you absolutely just hate windows/microsoft

amd should stop shooting itself in the foot when the opportunity for a larger share of the market is handed on a silver platter and they dont sieze it

as mentioned now its all kinda mute though, this was a discussion for ~10 years ago, cards for graphics rendering have been put into 2nd place compared to AI and we have a current dominant winner

>Steam just start on a black screen and freeze out of nowhere
>looking for fixes, nothing works
>even reinstall Steam, doesn't fix it
>set compatibility mode specifically to Windows 7
>it works again
What the fuck is happening with Steam? It's like the fifth major issue I ran into in two months.

>>715559053
I never understood the fascination over Photoshop, it's pointless if you don't need it for college or school. Heck krita does a much better job at drawing and painting. Photoshop was not even designed for that, it's more like Gimp, an image editing tool. The actual competition of Krita is Adobe Fresco, not Photoshop.

>>715555769
>>715535026
works fine on my machine

>>715530184 (OP)
>everyone
Literally who?

>>715559504
I think the only downside of krita is taht it can't open very large files, I'm not sure how useful the new AI additions to the latest PS versions are as I still use cs6

>>715558852
They *did* have the best OS on the market which is how they captured most of it.
Then once the old guard retired the design department took over and began shitting on everything in an attempt to remain relevant.

>>715558964
>>715558979
Ah, ok. Thanks.
Lack of standardization like Windows has (just simple .exe) is one reason I haven't bothered trying to switch yet.

>>715559053
comparing krita to photoshop is silly, krita is pure garbo

>>715559816
functionally does the same thing for 99% of usecases so who cares

>>715559882
You have no idea what you're talking about

>>715559813
>They *did* have the best OS on the market
it was at its best in 2000. XP was doable. vista was dogshit, 7 wasn't great, and 8 onwards was liquid shit

>Windows
Click play, play
>Troonix
Click play, it flickers, Google how to solve, find this. "To solve the flickering, in KDE Plasma, set the game to window mode, match your screen resolution, fuck your own mother, pray to Satan, do 5 handstands, and maybe, just maybe it will work"
Linux will never be good if I have to do this shit

>>715559427
This happened to me when I was still running 7.
It means steam tried to update/run version thst doesnt work on your system for whatever reason.
Just wait and it will figure out it can't run and revert to a version that does work. Might take a few minutes.

>>715559813
>They *did* have the best OS on the market which is how they captured most of it.
lol no. they got there because bill gates was an anti competitive motherfucker.

>>715559669
Yes but what bugs me is this>>715559816
Using the wrong tool, and saying it's better. Krita is for illustration, Photoshop is for image editing. They don't serve the same purpose. Krita competition is Fresco.

>>715560052
Krita is garbage for illustration too, can't even do basic shit with text
It's peak open source jank with a bazillion missing features and useless shit everywhere

>>715560149
Text is not illustration. You don't know what you're talking about. Illustration is drawing.

>>715559931
>at it's best in 2000.
Now look at when Gates retired from his CEO position and let the design department head take over.
Gates is a monster but he did manage to keep shit running properly when he was in charge.

>>715559813
>They *did* have the best OS on the market which is how they captured most of it.
windows always was dogshit. it only won out because microshite struck back alley deals with all OEMs to strongarm them into pre-installing windows on all computers. the lock-in by striking deals with hardware makers, trash like microsoft office's proprietary doc format and directx (along with attempts to cripple opengl at every turn) cemented its presence
microsoft won no on technical merits but simply because it knew how to corner the market

>>715559992
That bug have been happening for 2 hours, kek.
So far the compatibility fix works fine, hopefully it stays that way, but I don't have my hopes up, I keep running into problems with Steam now.

>>715530184 (OP)
>Doesn't read 300 pages of patchnotes this week
>Install now bricked and I'm forced to reinstall
>Literally everything I use on Windows has no Linux equivalent

>>715530184 (OP)
lack of security and ease of use/install, idk really too many unknowns for me to want to use it over windows

>>715560410
Lack of security? Bitch please.

>>715530625
I would like aero kino too. Which DE/theme?

>>715560241
>hurr durr drawing letters is not illustration
kys faggot, krita is trash

>>715560534
It's not you retard. Illustration is drawing and painting. Text is image editing. Wtf is wrong with you? You're pretending you know this shit but you obviously don't. Photoshop does not have the same amount of tools or customization for drawing and painting, period. Use Fresco for that. Fresco is many times better than Photoshop for drawing and painting, and yes, it's from Adobe. God these fucking amateur artists.

>>715560410
You could always try it in a vm. Obviously only if you care
https://www.linuxvmimages.com/

>>715560691
>God these fucking amateur artists.
lmao no wonder you a retarded faggot, "artists" are bottom of the barrel useless retards. I'm glad you're all rendered completely irrelevant by a handful of engineers

>>715554662
>know that the dev is based but what i don't know is why wayland is cringe/gay.
X11 is still miles ahead in terms of features. You like being able to use hotkeys to control volume, move to the next song in a playlist, or start/stop a program like OBS? Wayland still can't do that, at least not natively without tons of hacky workarounds.

Wayland developers, particularly on GNOME and Hyprland, cannot stop shooting themselves in the foot. GNOME right now still crashes if you try to move files out of an opened archive folder because "I don't see a usecase for it". Hyprland just tried to do some kind of transparent grift using a premium version (Not premium) of their software that addressed the use-cases people were asking for in Wayland but still begging people for use-cases for it when they ask for the same features in the free version.

use-case begging has become the scourge on open source development and Linux in general and this asshole: >>715530872 is a GTK dev but has become the poster-boy for begging the question about use cases when people ask for things as simple as copy+pasting from a remote screen, only to be met with "ACKTUALLY, IF YOU PASTE THIS *400 line command line prompt* YOU CAN USE THE CLIPBOARD OVER THE NETWORK SO I DON'T SEE WHY YOU WOULD NEED THIS IN WAYLAND/GNOME" and it's like this for every feature Wayland still lacks.

Then someone forks X11 because the Wayland devs admitted they were stifling its progress to get people to move and they go full-on tumblrina meltdown and cancel the guy.

>>715559372
Nvidia's only cards that are 'the best' are the two most recent 90s series cards, and those have barely any market share. 7900XTX and other high-end AMD hardware actually doesn't look too bad in the Steam stats compared to its Nvidia competition. What throws the numbers off is all the low-end prebuilt systems with 60 series cards.
Sad fact is AMD could get 100% of the high-end home builder market and it wouldn't move the needle. Most of the OEMs buy from Nvidia outside of their "budget" systems, and they'll keep doing that because Nvidia specifically is able to undercut the competition by selling lower tier hardware.

As for Nvidia on Linux, it is on Nvidia to fix in the short term. Long term NVK might get up to speed, but if you bought Nvidia's inferior hardware on their proprietary driver gimmicks, you might be in for a rude awakening at how bad the hardware really is without them.

>>715555769
>>715559372
Nouveau is actually pretty good now and I think everyone should at least give it a try if they have new hardware. Obviously it'll never support CUDA without using leaked proprietary code, but it can play games to spec or even surpassing windows.

>>715560827
Whatever you want. Keep using a hammer to screw, dumbass. You even know what each tool is for so why would I even care about your opinion of Photoshop? You wouldn't even know how to compare to the actual competition, which is Gimp, not Krita.

>>715560860
>You like being able to use hotkeys to control volume, move to the next song in a playlist, or start/stop a program like OBS? Wayland still can't do that
Works for me.

Also important to understand there is no "Wayland" software, it is just a spec and the desktops and window managers that implement that standard. Valve has been contributing to the spec to help bring it up to speed for gaming, and they have the best wayland implementation right now in the form of gamescope.

>>715546610
I'm not a newbie though. I've used both Manjaro and Arch on a VM but obviously not as my main workstation. I remember Manjaro being good enough with my limited time with it, I was just wondering whether there are some hidden issues, or recent news since it was a while ago.

>>715559372
You don't realize that the issue isn't Linux, it's Nvidia.
Nvidia's Linux drivers are shit because of Nvidia being lazy/shitty, and now it's also screwing over Windows since they don't give a fuck about their drivers there either nowadays.

>>715561074
No one using your garbo software lmao

keep shilling, still won't move to troonix

>>715560860
>You like being able to use hotkeys to control volume, move to the next song in a playlist, or start/stop a program like OBS?
that's an outdated complaint, the global portal shortcut has been added for a while, it's up to applications to support it.

>>715561256
>Troondows shills have one insult
>that insult actually describes them and not linux
Sad!

>>715561256
Truth nuke

>>715561158
>Works for me.
Because you're using a workaround (XWayland is usually how they get around it, which is a verison of the X11 they're trying to kill btw).

Valve is the only savior that Wayland has at the moment because the naval-gazing happening at Freedesktop has stifled progress so intently that it would be worthless for any actual productivity if not for Valve threatening to do away with Freedesktop altogether and make their own implementation.

And Valve with SteamOS STILL uses X11 for the desktop through XWayland because it still can't do basic desktop tasks. Though they have teased switching to full Wayland before.

>>715561338
>windows puts faggots on your taskbar

>>715561338
microsissies...

>>715561272
>that's an outdated complaint, the global portal shortcut has been added for a while, it's up to applications to support it.
No, ebussi. "Applications" aren't going to include a single minor use-case for the possibility that the client is running Wayland. We've been through this before. It's not on "Application" devs to say "Gee, there's a chance that the client is running Wayland so I should include the API for global portals!" that's up to the people implementing Wayland to be accommodating because you are not a market leader. The world can move on without Wayland and few people would notice.

I've been meaning to use Linux for some time now although I feel as though I may not enjoy the switch.
>t. 20 year long Winlet

>>715554710
funny how linuxfags gloat about having to waste time performing any task on linux because it's not straightforward like windows
but then whine and get filtered by clicking on checkboxes as if it was some massive inconvenience

>>715561272
>that's an outdated complaint
yet I still can't use hotkeys with OBS or any peripheral I have like my wacom tablet, why is that?

>>715532885
>modern windows
>working
good one

>>715561672
It depends on what you usually do with a computer

>>715561680
see
>>715548137

>>715561338
why is it ive never seen this
like what do you have on or what are you doing to make this come up??
Ive grabbed up every free update when offered and have never seen this
the only thing thats changed for me was the size of my task bar.. i dont get it

>>715561672
Stick with IOT LTSC Windows and run Linux in a VM to get the hang of it. Use it for smaller tasks that you may not have much of a use-case for but is still useful enough to keep doing it.

I got started with Linux back when Virtualbox was still owned by Sun Microsystems and they were encouraging people to run their own tiny server cluster on their home PCs to get used to network management in the cloud. Because Sun was based and Oracle is cringe.

>>715561591
>Gee, there's a chance that the client is running Wayland
wayland is the majority at this point anon, if you're not supporting wayland correctly, or using a toolkit that does, you're a shitty app developer.
>>715561687
because this type of stuff (https://flatpak.github.io/xdg-desktop-portal/docs/doc-org.freedesktop.portal.GlobalShortcuts.html) takes time to propagate downstream, if you want it faster complain to your app developer.

>>715530184 (OP)
Will it be reliant on google tech, like Steam is?

>>715561461
Nobody is trying to kill XWayland anon. X11 isn't going away, that's the protocol for network transparency.
The goal of the Wayland protocol is to separate the display protocol, and the network transparent protocol.
Wayland isn't the first attempt at this, direct framebuffer, mir, surface flinger, etc. Wayland was just the protocol that caught on and had developers start implementing it beyond a single vendor.

>Valve with SteamOS STILL uses X11 for the desktop
That's mostly because of the decision to use KDE, but given the target market for SteamOS it is an understandable choice. Since in recent years Microsoft has been copying KDE which makes it a more familiar interface for many users even if it has lagged behind in some ways.

>>715561735
You either don't live in regions rainbowlisted by Microsoft or you got lucky

>>715534647
Gimp is better
Krita is also great for simpler edits and drawing.

>>715560860
That's just Gnome being retarded since 3.0, when they unironically removed the ability to change the wallpaper background because it wasn't the "GNOME" way. This has nothing to do with Wayland. Yes, GNOME is a bunch of shitters, since 3.0 it's almost the poster child of retardation, they literally removed wallpapers because it wasn't part of the "experience" and took 1.5 years to reintroduce them, but again this has nothing to do with Wayland.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

>>715554662
X is based on a very ineficient protocol, 99.9% of which isn't used since 2010, just to do a "get a GPU buffer". It's a lot of trickery used to bypass the entire server just to get a fucking buffer. Wayland was born after the iPhone 1 exploded on the market and the X devs told to themselves "why are we even doing this shit just to get a GPU buffer, instead we could just... code the 10,000 lines of code needed". With Wayland the graphical stask goes from 600,000 lines of code (most unusued, slow, or buggy) to 10,000.

The work started in 2013. It's so obviously right Wayland should have been widely adopted in 2015. But because MUH X it took ten fucking years.

>>715561915
Not just that but Wayland wants to make everything modular. It takes time because they don't want to make mistakes in the protocol. I think they're too conservative though. They should be more like OpenGL and Vulkan with experimental extensions.

>>715561890
>wayland is the majority at this point anon, if you're not supporting wayland correctly, or using a toolkit that does, you're a shitty app developer.

okay but picture this: Most applications Linux users want to run on a powerful gaming setup are made to run on Windows.
So you don't get a choice if it's supported or not. You get what the Windows developers give you. This idea that you're going to steer development when the de-facto targeted platform is windows is foolishness from Wayland devs who think of themselves as huge market leaders when the % of Linux desktops is consistently around 3-5%

You don't get to make demands of anybody. Can you picture how much of a laughing stock Linux would be right now if they demanded game devs natively supported WINE? That's how Wayland devs look right now.

>>715562189
>blah blah windows
fuckoff mate. this is about x11 and wayland.
and yes x11 is going bye bye. use wayland or die. silently, thanks.

So what are the actual Nvidia issues with Linux? HDR, VR, latest unoptimized slop running worse? I don't care about any of that shit. I guess I should just set up a dual boot and see how I fare.

>>715562104
I adopted Gnome 3 / Topaz pretty early and I never remember not being able to set the wallpaper.

>>715561890
>wayland is the majority at this point anon, if you're not supporting wayland correctly, or using a toolkit that does, you're a shitty app developer.
Those "Shitty app developers" are the ones that rather just support X11 and tell Wayland to use XWayland for it. They're also the majority.

>Complain to your app developer
OBS doesn't care though, if you told support at OBS, Chrome, Streamcast, etc. your problem; They would tell you Linux isn't a supported operating system.

>>715562104
>X is based on a very ineficient protocol, 99.9% of which isn't used since 2010,
It's not that it "isn't used". It was created for specific use-cases back then when Linux was even more niche than it was now.

It hasn't been updated because the Freedesktop maintainers said they don't want to ever update it again. Hence, XLibre.

>>715562189
I'm not the guy you're replying to but ironically Wine supports native Wayland since 10.x. Wayland is more of an investment, not a instant evolution. What I don't like is Freedesktop politics and conservatism. The demands are meaningless in opensource. Everyone does whatever they want.

>>715562454
Nvidia works but you will have slight incompabilities. They're not showstoppers. For gaming you should he okay.

>>715562189
Trying to talk to linux autists is retarded anon

>>715561890
>wayland is the majority at this point anon
I doubt it is. Most Linux desktops are still in university settings and they are very slow to update. My uni is literally the one that spawned Linus Torvalds and most of our computers are windows.

>>715562435
>fuckoff mate.
No YOU fuck off. We are a minority trying to use Linux as a desktop and we have to accept the reality that we have to be the ones to fit the current market.
>and yes x11 is going bye bye. use wayland or die. silently, thanks.
Nigger your desktop is fucking WORTHLESS without X11. XWayland is carrying your ass.

If it comes down to use Wayland and not get new features because some fag neckbeards think they can order application developers around, they're going back to Windows or X11.

>>715562485
>my application doesn't support my use case
when games don't run on linux i just shrug it off and move on. just use another application that does treat you like a you deserve.
>>715562678
>Wayland is carrying your ass.
i have literally nothing running xwayland on my pc anon.

>>715562435
>fuckoff mate. this is about x11 and wayland.
The X11 and Wayland debate is a direct extension of the Linux vs Windows debate. If you make Linux too shit, you're ultimately just a sideshow.

>use wayland or die. silently, thanks.
Dying Silently is what Linux is best at.

>>715562754
>i have literally nothing running xwayland on my pc anon.
Glad you admit you don't use your computer for anything important or even play games on it since half of the games that still run on Wine use XWayland.
You can't even select a fucking monitor on Wayland.

>>715562946
>games
wine has had a native wayland version for a while
>You can't even select a fucking monitor on Wayland.
what the fuck are you even talking about.

>>715562852
I don't think you should see Wayland as an enemy. I don't like the far leftist politics of Freedesktop but the idea of Wayland is to fix the complexity of X11 by making modular. That's why they don't want to invest time in Xorg.

>>715562495
>Wayland is more of an investment, not a instant evolution.
It's a ship of fools in its current leadership state. When you ask for Use cases for simple things computers could do since the 80s like clipboard operations or selecting a main screen: You aren't even being a software dev at that point.

Valve should take over Wayland entirely and kick Red Hat to the curb.

>>715562946
You can run Wine natively on Wayland since 10.x. No XWayland required. It's still in beta but it works.

>>715562189
So Microsoft gets to dictate and hold back the rest of the PC ecosystem because they're the majority? Fuck that, that's how the PC got stuck being held back by the Xbox for twenty years.
If Nvidia's proprietary driver isn't implementing the functionality needed for Linux desktop because they're only concerned with AI, nobody can correct that other than Nvidia, and there's no way the rest of the industry is going to wait on Nvidia because getting ahead of Nvidia is the only way they can gain market share.
Which is actually working because that is how AMD grabbed the majority of the Linux desktop GPU market.

>Linux would be right now if they demanded game devs natively supported WINE?
Are people still laughing at that? Its not like there isn't already the example of DOSbox taking over because Microsoft was completely indifferent to the needs of PC gaming before and practically abandoned their compatibility solution.
Just like Microsoft told Valve their plan was to abandon their compatibility solution for win32, the ongoing decay of which is clear to see in Windows 11.

>>715563094
That I agree. They're too conservative to protect the minimalism. Not political conservative, far from it, they're ultra far left. Wayland guys should be more open to experiments and suggestions.

>>715561735
i turned all that shit off day 1, i don't need a search bar on my task bar.

>>715530184 (OP)
Can you play Minecraft Bedrock on linux yet?

>>715533746
To be fair it also doesn't work well on windows, especially for gaming
But yeah KDE has a HDR implentation now and it works about as well as you'd expect

>>715563315
are you willing to admit that disabling windows "features" is not "tinkering with your OS" when it evidently is.

>>715563325
Yes, there is a way to use the android apk and run it like normal bedrock on PC
You do have to give Microsoft 6 bucks to get it on Google play though

>>715563068
>what the fuck are you even talking about.
Literally one of the biggest stories this month:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=442158
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/issues/179

And something you have ran into if you use Wayland for ANYTHING with multiple monitors/resolutions.

You can't select a primary monitor for anything. Your DE may be able to, but it's ultimately telling you a lie and will launch applications on whatever the fuck it feels like (Usually the first monitor plugged into your graphics card) because it can't actually know due to Wayland's shortcomings.
Their response is dead silence for the last four years and then arguing why the fuck anyone would want a primary monitor. Very typical Wayland behavior and the kind of thing that is absolutely ruining this project: use case begging and then insisting anyone who would do it any way but their own must be doing it wrong.

Kind of like what saying "I just don't use anything that doesn't support wayland" like the rest of the world is going to do that.

>>715530184 (OP)
>Be Windows
>"You do your taxes on Windows" was a lame and gay enemy marketing line
>Be Windows
>Release ???? version pre-8
>everything works
>0 "illusion of choice"/settings that present themselves as toggles or able to be changed but can't be without tampering
>8
>unpopular
>would later become more popular because of how bad things were about to get
>illusion of choice creeps into 8
>10
>8 with more illusion of choice, more compute demand, telemetry
>Office is now a subscription based product
>illusion of choice creeps in more- automatic backups to the cloud, deleting firewall or defender bricks your drive, copilot around the corner
>all this shit eating compute power
>various methods of exploiting a user's data for monetary value
>contributes nothing positive to the end user experience
Microsoft is very quickly delegating itself to being the OS you wageslave on or do your taxes on.

>>715563427
i don't consider ticking boxes in the personalization menu tinkering with my OS anymore than changing my desktop background.

>>715563427
Can I even disable them in the first place or can I click on off toggle that actually does nothing because the feature was designed to BSOD if ever actually not running?

>>715563262
>So Microsoft gets to dictate and hold back the rest of the PC ecosystem because they're the majority?
..Yes, god damn it. why the fuck do you think you have to run their games through Wine or Proton in the first place? Because you think you're in control?

This entire discussion and all of these problems are brought on by the fact that we are not in control of the PC's ecosystem are are objectively an outlier that every application developer and Microsoft would be happy to be rid of. So Wayland developers complaining to application developers just has them laughing their asses off at them.

>>715533746
For gaming it works fine, for desktop it doesn't actually work well on any OS AFAIK because HDR needs application support. What you see on Windows is all fake. Maybe macOS supports it properly?

>>715563540
Man I just installed XP on compatible hardware yesterday and I forgot how much shit has been lost to time
>no bios updates for my ancient gateway motherboard
>audio doesn't work you need to buy a sound card cause good luck getting the driver in 2025
>can't ping Google even though I have network connected
>doesn't support ahci
People don't know how good we have it with computers now
>install any modern os
>detects ur hardware
>just werks

>>715563262
AWS goes down for a day and every plane in America stops flying. Old enterprise hardware is much the same on Windows machines that're past end-of-life.

>>715562618
Well gaming and reading 4chan is about all I care about doing on my PC, but what are the other downsides? No Photoslop, or Orifice365, doesn't matter to me, been using GIMP and LibreOffice for years anyway. Presume video players are fine, is mplayer still the best option?

https://apps.microsoft.com/search?query=linux
Linux is an app on the Microsoft(tm) App Store.

>>715563570
Maybe you are more reasonable but many people seem to think that opening a settings menu is too much tinkering.

>>715563805
>Go to manufacturer site
>Downloads always available
>Site structure was simpler
>They actually fucking hosted their drivers as direct downloads no more than a click away from homepage
Usually your hardware came with a disc to install drivers from. Once in a blue moon you'd get a tiny shitty USB loaded with them.

>>715563262
Nvidia is actually working on gaming and desktop features btw
T. 3090 owner
All my games work
All my nvidia features in games work
KDE just werks on gayland
Gnome just werks on gayland
Sway just werks
Hyprland just werks
Everything else sucks

>>715563942
They still have that but on Linux your drivers are handled by a single meta package and on windows you use windows update except for GPU/chipset drivers

The overwhelming argument from Linux fags saying "Just don't use it if it doesnt' support Linux" is the best advertisement Windows 11 has had in years.

>>715530184 (OP)
Linux sucks and makes no sense.

>>715563981
XFCE is the best desktop environment don't @ me it's a trvke.

>>715564080
This is actually what surprised me most about swapping 2 years ago.
>Windows fresh install
>Driver acquisition is miserable
>very hands-on and high effort relative to Linux

>Linux
>Terrified of driver process
>Literally type two lines into terminal
>everything that was needed is found and not only downloading but installing itself without further input

>>715564114
One thing cool about Linux is when you install it you immediately fall into a spectrum of free to nonfree
The more you use Linux you start to move along that spectrum and that becomes your flavor of linux autism
All Linux users will make sacrifices but you'll start to learn about the pros and cons of open source and proprietary software and start telling people they're wrong

>>715530184 (OP)
I have no idea where to start, when I search what's the best move to use Linux for the first time, you get so many different answers, it's pure chaos, there isn't a single consensus out there to just say "yeah you want to use Linux for gaming? Just do that and that's all"

>>715564439
there's no "right" distro for gaming on linux, choose whatever you want.

>>715531752
>erm what you are referring to as steamOS is actually gnu plus linux

>>715563870
MPlayer is dead, use mpv or VLC. For gaming the biggest downside is online gaming doesn't always work because of cheater protections. The other is sometimes you need to fix games yourself. I've personally fixed and shared my solutions with others. These are niche games though, in Steam most games just work.

Another downside, and this one is extremely important, if you use a stable distro, it's not actually going to be that stable. It's stable in versioning, not the system itself. For example, Debian and Fedora and friends, are supposedly easy to use, but you'll find bugs for sure because they use wizards for configuration. Arch has a lot less bugs because it's all vanilla, configure it yourself. Point being, I don't want to give wrong impressions. The more you know the better off you are with an "advanced" distro like Arch or NixOS. You'll have a more stable system. Many will hate me for this but it's the truth.

Another thing for gaming. If you use mods or translators and things like that, they're usually made by people who only use Windows and of course it's not going to be as compatible. I've made my own tools for that. Most of mainstream tools do work, but the niche ones might not work as well.

The biggest advantage of Linux is that you can customize everything. I don't mean just superficially. If you know a bit of scripting you can make your OS automate pretty much everything. In windows that's not really possible. You don't need to be a full blown programmer. I'm a software engineer so I have the advantage in this field but just with shell script and python you can automate everything you want. This is extremely useful.

>>715564439
just go for ubuntu and dont think it too much, you will know if you want to explore something else after some time

>>715560478
I just say that cause im unfamiliar with linux in general, like if there was a deep dove video I could watch to get the gist of everything I would probably install it

>>715564439
Technically you CAN install whatever distro you want and start gaming on steam pretty easily
The process by which you do that varies
I've found from personal experience that your desktop environment does actually matter
I've run into freezes on Linux mint cinnamon that didn't happen anywhere else
Gnome and KDE handle multitasking differently and gnome keeps thinking my game is unresponsive
Wayland has screen tearing disabled while Xorg needs vsync in games which doesn't always work
There's no 1 right answer because it could take you 10 tries to find a distro that just works for you
I ended up on cachyos its the best I've found but some people say it doesn't play nicely with their amd gpus

>>715564879
You don't need to bother with security in Linux if you don't do anything super stupid. Other than that your comment is okay. Linux is not for everyone right now, only those with some patience, and wanting more.

>>715563687
>Yes, god damn it.
Then I guess we should all just bend over, install Windows 11, and give up.

>why the fuck do you think you have to run (win32) games through Wine or Proton in the first place?
Because not even Microsoft can kill win32? This despite their best efforts. Taking control over an application API isn't impossible, it is Microsoft's playbook after all. It has worked before with DOSbox taking over for DOS games, and Microsoft cares less about win32 now than they did about DOS when DOSbox started to take over.

Meanwhile in the real world...

Seriously question? Why do Linux users act like cult?

>>715565287
Once you realize who the actual linux users are you will understand why.

>>715565287
its gnu/linux

>>715565287
You really want to know? It's because our god is a psychopath penguin. Most of us want to be killed by the penguin lord. It's the ultimate sacrifice. Join us! Join us! Be the Linux! Join us!

>>715562102
>gimp is better
>no circle tool
LOL

>>715565223
china isn't the real world

>>715564979
I know its optimal for gaming but im not sure if everything I have can be played without issues.

>>715530184 (OP)
Linux seems a lot more annoying to use. Its probably just my lack of using it but from what I've had to do with SteamOS I'll stick with Windows.

>>715565458
Most don't really deem saint stallius in that high regard let's be honest.

>>715530625
How do you make linux look like windows?
I really want the windows 7 look

>>715564114
There's a bunch of legacy software that doesn't work on Windows 11 without workarounds, and bugs with it that if you look them up Microsoft's official solutions are powershell command line hacks.
Microsoft's platform is rotting, and they have no intention of fixing it.

>>715530184 (OP)
the degenerate piece of shit that owns epic bought easy anti cheat, didnt he?
i like playing against or with people, not boring computer stuff, so this move made moving to linux for games not possible, yet.

>>715565287
Any group of users with a single focus acts a bit like a cult when viewed from the outside.
Linux is less cult like in its behavior than other platforms because there hasn't ever been a charismatic leader at the helm with total control.
Microsofties for instance still look back to the Ballmer era. Apple fanboys look back to the Jobs era. Both of those groups act much more like a cult than Linux users.

Linux has never had a single powerful central authority to force a single community wide mindset.

>>715565287
You spend your whole life eating shit and thinking it's normal
And then one day you see the light, have an epiphany, life's good again
I don't care about selling Linux to others, but can't stand jeets coming here spreading uninformed bullshit about the last bastion of freedom we have left in the God forsaken hellscape that is modern tech

>>715566123
I think Linus himself and Greg Koah-Hartman do hold a decent amount of influence. Not as much as actual executives in other corporations.

>>715564114
That's not an argument Ranjeesh, we call it "statement"

>>715565287
U should see how PCMR people act when confronted with linux
They get very cult-like

linux is fagshit
t. mac chad

>>715567260
What does that mean? What do they do?

>>715567260
>PCMR people
What the fuck does that mean?

>>715560895
i dont disagree with your first paragraph, and like i said im no nvidia fanboy, i want amd to do well and be competitve for everyone's benefit in the gpu market, but its been time and time again they dropped the ball when clearly they have a chance to take the reigns in certain marketshare areas, there is no amount of badblood between consumers and nvidia (for good reason) as exemplified by this thread, amd needs to actually make good shit and capitalize, thankfully they've pulled well ahead in the cpu market over intel for instance so its clear they're capable of doing so

>>715560895
>>715561192
>its nvidida's fault regarding linux drivers
regarding linux, im sorry but there is no financial incentive for nvidia to go out of their way and altruistically support the development when the company will see no real net revenue return, they'd be given goodwill by a small niche dev community, but so what, it wont matter to the largest corporate entity on the planet with a marketcap of 1/5th of the entire world's gold reserves
would i like them to do it? absolutely. i'd love to be able to ditch windows as i literally only use it for gaming and nothing else, its a bitch to have to live in 2 systems for both work and play
will they? fuck no. as i said AI is their game and its not going to change anytime soon, the days of hardware manufacturers giving even a 3rd thought to gamers beyond keeping basic shit working is over, we saw that happen with the 5xxx series release: "oh the power supply cables on our top consumer product are at 20A because of poor manufacturing in the alloy? so fucking what, what are you going to do about it? get to the back of the line gamer, this AI datacenter needs our help"

tl;dr none of these companies give two shits about you and never will, even if amd takes a good market share things wont really improve, ive lived through this cycle too many times to believe otherwise

>>715568505
>when the company will see no real net revenue return
Who gives a fuck about the company?
Kill everyone there as far as I'm concerned.

>>715568505
>none of these companies give two shits about you and never will
I don't entirely disagree. but hey don't really give a shit about windows either.

>>715561072
ive seen the results for certain systems/games and agree and hope it does well
but to be honest it isnt worth my time to diagnose each individual game for my system, or have a dual-boot and use one or the other for certain games, things overall run better on windows so thats where im forced to stay for gaming and i have another system entirely for work/personal projects

im also still hoping valve does something with a real steamos but i'd give that a 3/10 chance of real success based on past results

>>715568587
once again, im not defending nvidia or their actions/history, im just telling you my opinion on whats going to happen based on the current tech/market landscape and the financial incentives driving the company's decision

>>715568785
true, if forces shift and the "YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP" finally arrives maybe, but every year i say "probably not anytime soon" and every year im right
the only real hope is windows 11 has a few more oopsies and the next release is as big a downgrade from 10-11, then maybe it'll finally jolt the market to say "wow windows is actually horrid" but this sentiment was also present 5+ years ago during the migration from 7-10 and look what happened: nothing

>>715568505
>but its been time and time again they dropped the ball when clearly they have a chance to take the reigns in certain marketshare areas
What realistically could they do though?

They had the clear performance crown with RDNA 2, and they produced RDNA 2 hardware in massive quantities (for AMD), and the only group that really bought it was Linux users.
With RDNA 3 they scaled back, made a top-end card and a mainstream card, and the top-end card didn't do badly, but it was overshadowed by Nvidia deciding to launch a data-center tier card to end users. Again, the only group that really bought them were Linux users.
RDNA 4 they tried to appeal to OEMs and focused just on mainstream hardware. Pushing development of FSR 4 from GPUopen to try to close the advantage Nvdiia has from purposefully degrading visual quality as a 'performance feature', and still the only group buying the cards are Linux users building their own systems.

What can AMD realistically do at this point other than trying to grow the Linux market? Windows OEMs simply aren't going to buy their discrete GPUs, and barely anyone builds their own systems.

>regarding linux, im sorry but there is no financial incentive for nvidia to go out of their way and altruistically support the development
Most AI development happens on GNU/Linux, and Nvidia does have the selfish reason that they are about to launch their $4000 mini ARM AI Workstation machine, and there is zero chance that is going to be running any OS other than a GNU/Linux distribution.
Nvidia more than most companies wants to advance to a post-Windows post-AMD64 future because they are the only one of the big 3 to not have the ability to produce AMD64 hardware.

Just a reminder that AMD didn't altruistically decide to support Linux so much as they just decided to start releasing the documentation for their hardware in a bid to get developer support. A bit over a decade later and they have arguably the best Vulkan driver.

>>715530184 (OP)
My main gaming machine still runs Windows unfortunately. Most old games still require a PHD in Winetricks and Lutris to run, and most mods take hours to troubleshoot something that "just werks" in Windows. As an operating system though, Mint has come a long way in the last 10 years.

>>715530184 (OP)
most of the slop i play on windows doesn't run on linux plus i have a 2060 so yeah not gonna happen

>>715540057
>Kernel level anti-cheat
I wouldn't play those on Windows or Linux so that's an easy pass

>>715533859
I'm not having that problem, but I do have the problem with greasy fat faggots trying to get me to join they/their cult.

>>715570143
Enjoy Windows lol

>>715570252
Okay lmao
lol
rofl

>>715562480
IIRC, the rationale was that you could only change the wallpaper if you changed the entire theme of the Desktop Environment, and at this time there weren't any way to change the theme of the DE because it was early 3.0 and it didn't work. Wallpapers were supposed to be bundled with themes, and we don't have working themes at the moment... so for most of 2013 IIRC you couldn't change your fucking wallpaper in GNOME.

Then people said "...but why?", and GNOME answered as always "you're stupid." But after a while the "...but why" people won, and GNOME was forced to regretably introduce the feature of changing your fucking wallpaper without changing your desktop theme (which was a feature that still wasn't working at the time).

Early GNOME 3.0 is a joke. The only issue is that nowadays GNOME 3.0 is an ever worst joke.

>>715570406
>A FUCKING
>FOOT

>>715570406
Yeah, I don't remember that at all. I suppose we were all just using our own patch sets back then anyway. Early 3.0 was basically a dev-only thing.
Attempting to get out ahead of the other desktops and build something more future proof.

Arguably it worked, just about every desktop interface these days is NeXT inspired like Gnome 3 was. Its just a sensible default desktop for UNIX that focuses on users who actually run UNIX instead of the users that we'd like to switch (but who won't).

>>715530682
>>715538875
What illegal shit are you planning on doing?

>>715530701
nigger

>>715545892
>what is piracy
Also retarded theres no alternative for adobe on linux

Does SteamOS do this weird thing Linux distros do where they just randomly stop working?

>>715560534
>>715560827
>>715561204
you first tourist sperg, krita mogs other programs.

>>715571503
You can run non-subscription based Adobe software on Linux lol. Nobody is going to hire you if you pirate that though.
Don't tell me you're just repeating the complaint without even understanding it or using Adobes garbage subscription software?

Linxtrannies be like
>hey everyone come join linux
But can i play ALL my games?
>yes but you need to do this and that
Online games too?
>yes but not those games because i dont like them
But can i also use all the good productivity software?
>yes gimp

>>715571604
Whos talking about getting a job lmao youre fucking retarded? What kind of retard gymnastics is this?

You cant use adobe on linux. Prove it.

What would I get from using Arch over something like Mint or Fedora? I've read stuff about the AUR but I don't know concrete examples. For what it's worth I can learn to use the terminal but prefer visual navigation for files and stuff

>>715571503
The company that Valve contracts with for Proton got their start selling Wine support for Adobe products to Pixar. That largely went away as pro-tier UNIX graphics suites became more available, and Adobe's TOS became more objectionable.
There are a bunch of alternatives to Adobe now, but none is the straight up Adobe clone that users who have only used Adobe's suite demand.

>>715530184 (OP)
>windows is dead because some random youtuber said so

>>715530184 (OP)
i use win11 edu sac and it works fine on its own, although i use a few minor tweaks (i have an autorun program that disables rounded corners, a few group policy things set, and a few minor things from powertoys and winaero tweaker).

i might try bazzite on a second computer at some point but i'm not really in a hurry to switch. my profession is windows management and troubleshooting and i have over a decade of professional experience doing exactly that, whereas my linux experience is limited to using it a bit in college, so i'm at a massive disadvantage troubleshooting; if something goes wrong in windows, i already have a mental playbook for dealing with it quickly whereas i would have to learn all that on linux which would take much longer.

>>715530625
+1 for being a ps68 enjoyer

>>715530184 (OP)
I hate these kinds of mass manufactured low quality thumbnails.

>>715571767
I'm not going to pirate fucking adobe software lmao. It's a well known fact that some weirdos use pirated CS slop on Linux. Mostly CS2 I think.

I don't care though, CS2 is shit and outdated.

>>715540057
the anticheats that don't work aren't doing that voluntarily, they were EXPLICITLY disabled by the mindbroken corpos
and no one is going to try porting adobe shit and risking lawsuits

>>715550203
How long would it take to acclimatize to Linux anyway?

>>715572286
I'm used to it after like 3 months and I used Windows for like 30 years before.

>>715571248
Not pledging myself to Israel.

>>715571873
>>715572198
>cs2
>a decade old or older
Also gimp doesnt have even half the features of ps.

>>715572414
Adobe has been going Creative Cloud for 11 years retard.

>>715572286
depends on what you do with it
if you're into heavy modding that requires doing a bunch of external shit related to files then you might get a bit pissy about it
the more casual your windows use the easier the switch

>>715571682
Before Steam started to unfuck Linux, Linuxtrannies used to say that you can play games just fine on Linux.
And when it started to get popular, they got all pissy when people started to (rightfully) call out some bullshit about that operating system

But people on /v/ Linux threads are usually cool and you can discuss things normally. They help a lot too if you're not a fag about it

>>715570406
>Then people said "...but why?", and GNOME answered as always "you're stupid." But after a while the "...but why" people won, and GNOME was forced to regretably introduce the feature of changing your fucking wallpaper without changing your desktop theme (which was a feature that still wasn't working at the time).

It is with heavy hands, and tremors in my heart, that I allow the peasants to change their wallpaper. Long have I thought about it, long have I conversed with some of the greatest minds in our age. The peasants are asking for wallpapers, and yet they don't know of our vision. Yet, still, the peasants are numerous. Long have they asked for wallpapers. And long will they ask, if I can't answer them.

Let's give to the peasantry wallpapers. I will abscond of any consequences toward God. And let this story be forgotten, for those peasants once won over their better, and it shouldn't be replicated, if we want GNOME to be where it needs to be.

Never in the bright future I envision, ever, will we put consumers or users over the GNOME vision. They won once. Let assures they will never win again.

Amen.

>>715572286
the problem isn't getting used to it, that's pretty quick. the problem is figuring out what to do when something goes wrong.

>>715530184 (OP)
I just hope SteamOS doesn't completely fuck over Arch.

>>715572382
that isn't a crime.

>>715572703
valve needs to put in work and add more guis to do basic shit
they'll have to do that if they ever plan on resurrecting the steam machine and clawing away at microsoft's dominance
they should aim to be the default linux distro people think of
too often have i had a problem only to realise that it was an obscure terminal command away

>>715572703
This makes no sense, Arch will probably benefit from it.

>>715572928
You have to understand that the average Linux user fears that someone might make a distro where everything just works and respects the users time.
Basically we're in this weird situation where MS does everyone want to forget about XP/7 and linuxfags don't want to Linux to be the next XP/7 because then everyone would be using it

>>715572414
GIMP is Free Software, it isn't one of the pro-tier UNIX graphics suites. It really just serves as an entry-level piece of software for devs who don't need to do much with graphics.
UNIX (other than MacOS) is missing that middle-tier of software where Adobe dominates, but the problem is Adobe's user base simply aren't going to try to learn anything else, and the ones who do are going to step up to pro-tier suites.

>>715572562
You can pirate all of adobes 2025 software retard and you dont need internet to use it lmao ur fucking dumb

>>715573190
not him but i think you're fighting ghosts, you'd have to go back 10 years to see this elitism
everyone can see the work valve has put in for compatibility and few can just scoff at it

>>715573190
Not really. That has happened repeatedly and it hasn't ever been a big deal. Mainstream-ready Linux distributions are already the majority platform and they don't threaten the existence of developer distributions.

Even companies that back mainstream-ready distributions have nowhere near the power over the larger Linux ecosystem that Microsoft has in dictating that their users have to accept a downgrade.

>>715573594
You literally have linuxfaggots argue about distros all the time and get mad if someoen points out something not working or ease of use or ux or anything

They want people to migrate to linux but they also hate the normies so how will the normies move over

>>715573190
That is NEVER going to be Arch Linux. Arch Linux is so fundamentally against respecting your time, that it would be impossible to turn it into something that does. That's why so many people take the base Arch and make their own crayon eater distro based on it.

Though to be fair, I suppose arch did sort of make a crayon eater variant of itself with archinstall.

This is your god, steamies? Embarassing. Tim Sweeny could eat a whole person if he wanted to.

>windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021
>Linux Mint
Which one should I install in my new PC?

>>715576541
Then why doesn't he eat gabe?

>>715576649
Mint

>>715576683
Heart disease

>>715553885
There are no better hero shooters but I do think of going back to CSS or 1.6.
>>715560493
>>715565583
KDE. https://store.kde.org/p/2142957
>>715554263
>>715554662
Xorg display server behaves close to Windows minus HDR and it's old af. Redhat, freedesktop etc... people say we need to remove it and make something new which is Wayland. Wayland is shit because (just like Gnome) they refuse basic feature requests saying no usecase/not safe. Features like no global hotkeys (you know like push to talk programs and obs), no main screen when you use multiple screen etc... XLibre is a fork of Xorg/X11 with the goal to fix that with modern features. Redhat,Gnome and others hate it because XLibre is centrist and politics free (I do remember when Russian devs got banned from contributing to something).

>>715577763
>There are no better hero shooters
Team Fortress 2.
>but anon, it's dead
Team Fortress 2 Classic, if you need updates with new weapons.

If you are on AMD, switch to Mint. It just werks.

>>715577763
You can use global hotkeys with wayland, they just aren't implemented through wayland. KDE for example has its own implementation.

>>715577763
Whats that link?

>>715578160
That just sends a command technically, apps aren't exposed to each other. And let's be real big apps won't implement multiple ways for something this basic. If you want real (and working) hotkeys with OBS you need to run it with XWayland, which makes me think why would anyone develop something for Wayland exclusively.
>Inb4 I want everything to be keylogger
Yes. I want the option.
>>715578469
Link to the Aero theme for KDE

>>715530184 (OP)
Linux is worse than Windows, and I hate Windows

>>715578687
This might sound normie but i have no idea when it comes to linux, but everything in there is trustworthy right?
Or can there be sus stuff like in the google/mozilla extension page?

>>715578876
Depends on your source. You can download sus shit off the Internet just fine.

>>715549616
>you are an oldhead and out of touch
Wow, I'm pretty based then.
Fuck zoomer shit.
>BUT IT'S POPULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
Bitch I use GNU/Linux on a desktop computer in my basement. I obviously don't care about what's popular. Cope (by telling me I secretly care) and seethe (from knowing I don't).

>>715549458
>opening adobe photoshop just to draw a circle

>>715546048
>all that tl;dr
Flatpacks, appimages, snaps fucking Dockers nigga you have a dozen ways to package programs not to mention VMs
and if you don't want to wait for updates you CAN (and probably will fail a few times) compile it yourself

>tranny keyboard thread
>elden troon lore thread
>bara (troon) thread
And now:
>troonix thread.
Seriously, when /v/ becomes trannies lair?

>>715580786
I can tell you're new around here. Why don't you try going back to wherever the fuck you came from?

>>715530184 (OP)
>>>/lgbt/

>>715530184 (OP)
I'd like to migrate to Linux, I just dislike how my friends who switched are fucking STILL always mentioning how annoying it is to get certain games to run, and also I just honestly don't feel like learning all this bullshit. I don't want to compare the pros and cons of different distros and sit pondering the merits of various open source installs, etc.
I just want to buy a computer that plays my fucking video game. It's similar to how I own a car, but don't really give a shit about how it works. I just want to buy it and do the minimal expected maintenance, I do not want it to be a full-blown fucking hobby in and of itself.
I'm right at the edge of moving only because Microsoft is getting so shitty and annoying with their spyware that I'm starting to suspect that the hassle of merely DEALING with Microsoft always intruding on my privacy is getting to be worth sucking it up and taking the Linux plunge anyway.
But that's not really about the merits of Linux, it's just about how Microsoft is completely dropping the ball and alienating their consumers.

>>715571485
this vexes me

>>715549709
That greentext is quite old, anon. A decade ago GIMP was a lot jankier and shittier.

>>715583353
Let's just say once you setup Lutris it more "just works" than Windows. Also on Windows you don't really have any options if something just refuses to launch.

>>715583353
>I just dislike how my friends who switched are fucking STILL always mentioning how annoying it is to get certain games to run
It mostly depends on what kind of games you play but most singleplayer games just work. Even mods work but there's a little more effort for them though.

>>715583353
>I just want to buy a computer that plays my fucking video game. It's similar to how I own a car, but don't really give a shit about how it works. I just want to buy it and do the minimal expected maintenance, I do not want it to be a full-blown fucking hobby in and of itself
woman mindset. maybe a console is a better choice for you?

>>715584802
Windows just works like console while not walled garden

>>715583353
Well that's just life isn't it? Nothing is perfect. Very few games are made for Linux so usually you're trying to translate the games from Windows APIs to Linux. That works great and easy if the game isn't some bullshit nightmare fuel like Escape from Tarkov... but then sometimes you have Escape from Tarkov. Or something even worse.

>>715585704
Jeet shill
I will not redeem windows 11 saar

>>715585704
i work at a company with a huge IT dept that proves that windows doesnt "just work"
it also doesnt absolve from the sheer cuckold mentality of not wanting to know how shit works so you can fix it when it breaks.its a sign you will run away from the first sign of pushback

>>715530184 (OP)
Proton has an average performance overhead of 5%-15% and it’s worse with newer games and on nvidia hardware