What would take so (you) start play fighting games?

>>715555521 (OP)
When you get a job first.

fighting game devs needs to start creating smash clones. that is clearly the only fighting game sub-genre people are actually interested in

Offline friends again, like in university

being born with the right brain for it
im too bad to be good at anything and after 15 years of trying i just wound up frustrated every time i played like shit

>>715555521 (OP)
I would need IRL friends to play with in-person again.
I used to play fighting games a lot. And I kept playing fighting games online with randoms and IRC groups for ages even long after I had lost contact with my IRL friends.
But eventually I realized that I don't really enjoy fighting games unless I'm playing with real friends. So I stopped playing.

One of the turning points for me was probably when I won a minor little tourney, and ended up not giving a shit about it because I wasn't friends with anyone else playing.
I do kind of miss fighting games though. Because I genuinely love them.

Remove trannies and niggers from the FGC.

>>715555521 (OP)
Ditch the predatory DLC practices you've had for the past 3 generations and make every future update character free.

>>715555596
Everyone wants more smash clones am I rite?

>>715555521 (OP)
Cute girls and grounded gameplay.
I fucking loathe the weird floatiness most fighting games have now

>>715556116
everyone wants more of those

>>715555521 (OP)
Make all fighting games sex games where you fuck your opponent to death

>>715555521 (OP)
reimagining the entire idea of what fighting games are. In their current state its just not appealing to anyone whos never played them for awhile. Absolutely nothing.
Fighting games are archaic as hell and need something better to elevate them without robbing the players of earned "skill"

One game has too much footsies, people feel like its not a real fighting game
Game has too many combos, people feel like they are just watching themselves get beat up

I think the honest answer is 3D skill based arena games like 4honor fighting style. Too bad no one on earth is allowed to make games like that for some reason

>>715555521 (OP)
A magic character that doesn't give a shit about the rules all the fighters has to play by. I need that unique character that's balanced but different in every way because fighting games are so fucking boring.

>>715555521 (OP)
Nothing
I'm not spending 2000 hours learning some autistic combos just to do nothing but repeat them

>>715555521 (OP)
Going back to 2d sprites (when applicable, obviously doesn't/ can't apply to games like tekken or DOA) because most 3d is a fucking eyesore, and ditching all the modern predatory shit like passes and a metric fuckton of aesthetic DLC

>>715555521 (OP)
English being your first language for starters, ESLmonkey.

>>715556116
People always hype them up but when push comes to shove they fall off into obscurity.

>>715555596
brawhalla is the only one besides smash that actually has a playerbase and it's 20,000 ten year olds playing it because it's free

anime is so fucking stupid. no wonder only trannies still watch it if it's like this now

>>715557056
Fuck off tourist

>>715557153
only an actual tranny would look at the op video and think it had any value, so it's brave of you to out yourself like that

anime is so fucking sexy. no wonder only high-T gigachads still watch it if it's like this now

>>715555521 (OP)

>>715555521 (OP)
for their game design to progress beyond 1994

soul caliber 3 is a good example of what people want from fighting games

>>715555521 (OP)
>decide to play fighting game
>spend 6000 hours learning the combos
>spend another 2500 hours learning all the various mechanics
>spend 1500 hours watching streams and learning match ups
>drop $1200 on a fight stick
>finally confident enough to hop into online match
>instantly lose becasue you moved 1 degree to the left instead of right

>>715555521 (OP)
A solo campaign.

>>715555521 (OP)
You will literally never convince normalfags to adopt fighting games en masse like they did in the 90's. The social conditions simply aren't right.

>>715557996
Onrine is too trendy and profitabre, prease understand

opened that webm expecting the hibari and haruka ass slam

>>715555521 (OP)
Make a story mode that serves as a complete tutorial for all gameplay mechanics.
Also understand that I will never lab and build the game to not expect me to.

>>715557551
I never played 3, but loved 2
What was different/ improved?

>>715558290
They cater this genre to the only people willing to play their games so i understand. I honestly think fighting games are going to be full on dead if smash never comes back

>>715555596
>>715558373
I don't understand this mentality
Its been proven time and time again that people don't like Smash for the gameplay and only care about the crossover aspect.
Even Sakurai is obviously fatigued and hasn't given a shit about making new and novel entries, with the past 3 games basically being Brawl 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0

>>715555521 (OP)
Well, they'd have to be fun first.

>>715557270
>only trannies like ass and tits fighting each other
Stop projecting your freak fetishes on me

>>715555521 (OP)
this is /v/ so
>gacha system
>has to be playable on mobile
>has to have slutty outfits and more future outfits to spend money on
>battles have to be (1) round long to keep their attention
oh and it can't have any black people (unless they're women)

>>715555596
Every "crossover" Smash clone is destined to fail because they will never be as big as the original. Just play Rivals if you want to ape Smash.

>>715558739
very brave of you to admit I was right about you

Is Blazblue Centralfiction still active? I played it for a bit years ago and was thinking about getting back into it. I want to main Mai even though apparently she had a really annoying moveset

>>715555521 (OP)
I do. Except I got infected with summer flue, so I don't at this very moment. I'll continue grinding Fatal Fury 3 when I get better. Probably CotW too.

>>715557996
>>715558257
Single player modes in fucking fighting games are a giant meme. Just look at Dix; their retarded knockoff Shenmue mode is a resource drain that was created at the expense of the absolutely most important part of fighting games: characters.

>>715559914
I don't know what's worse for you. Being infected with the flu or playing fighting games.

>>715559678
Yeah. Even when there's no lobbies up, I'll make a lobby and it'll usually fill up.

>>715558739
"le tranny" is the current "muh reddit" - a retarded buzzword parroted endlessly by tourists.
There is literally zero point in engaging with these people m8, you are doing this to yourself.

>>715560139
Just don't take things too seriously and it's all good.

>>715556116
Everyone wants more marvel clones am I rite?

>>715555596
I think at this point there has been more "traditional" fighting games that have gotten some measure of success compared to the numerous "smash clones" that topped out at 100 players on Steam and then swiftly died.

>>715558912
A gacha fighting game might actually be kino

>>715555521 (OP)
The only people on /v/ I EVER see playing fighting games is the uniel players
the rest just chatgpt things while posting gooner content

>>715558257
Dont care, never cared, will never care.
Online is such a shitty terrible idea for fighting games that the average player doesnt want.
Everyone lags like piss, is too sweaty or is a Chinese hacker.

>>715555521 (OP)
You just posted it but the trannys would piss and shid themselves if the west tried to make something that based.

>>715560662
touch fighter sucked but the music was good. I knew a bunch of infinities so I just beat people way above my p2w level till they d/c'd

>>715555596
yeah but capcom, SNK and arcsys are too boomer to attempt it, if they actually made a decent clone it would instantly be their most successful release in decades. I just want a smash clone with decent online that doesnt look like a flash game with character designs aimed at 5 year olds

>>715558912
don't forget, the characters fight by themselves with no input from the player except maybe to initiate an ultimate attack. gachaniggers just like to goon over jpegs, they don't actually like having to do inputs themselves.

>>715560498
>there are literally no trannies on /v/!!!!!!!
a straight biological male would never get so defensive about something like this. curious.

>>715560594
there a more "traditional" fighting game developers who aren't shit. The fact that any smash clone has had any success despite how shitty and cheap they all are is astounding, there isn't a single traditional fighting game who would have cracked 100 players with visuals, animations and characters designs as shitty as any smash clone.

>>715560853
Trying way too hard buddy.
Dial it down a notch and maybe one day you'll fit in.

>>715555521 (OP)
a new subgenre

Fighting games need more ballz

>>715560690
>Online is such a shitty terrible idea for fighting games
But anon, don't you like dedicating every second of your free time into a online game so you only get your shit kicked in 1/3 times?

worth while single player. If the only thing to do is train so I can beat the sweats online then I have no interest. Fighting games to me are nothing more but local multiplayer games. I never find myself booting up any fighting games if I dont got a buddy with me.

>>715555521 (OP)
why wouldn't this work?

>>715561447
Because it wouldn't be hot cute teen girls it would just be a bunch of apes with huge asses and tons of cellulite plus they would have to have like 50 lifeguards in the water because they can't swim.

>>715555521 (OP)
they're really hard to learn and i feel like the payoff isn't so great
i know shit fighter 6 is currently seeing success but the community seems to be small and/or shrinking
it's also filled with trannies and other undesireables

i dunno, i think the only way i'd play fighting games is if you paid me at least 30 bucks an hour

no lobbies as usual

>get on quickmatch
>almost exclusively matched with fat spics across Latin America with an average ping of 200 gorillion

>>715562625
Fake. That never happens because fighting games are a perfect genre that don't need to change or adapt, and definitely don't only appeal to poorfags who can't play actual video games.

>>715561760
asylum demon lookin sheboons can't actually move, they'd get btfo by fit women with tight, well developed asses

>>715562569
payoff is pretty good for capcom and snk, its fucking terrible for tekken, i dont play anime fighters but i put 20-30 hours into an old guilty gear and have nothing to show for it so im tempted to say the payoff for time invested is shit for them too.

>>715562621
>no lobbies as usual
This killed all multiplayer gaming for me. Never playing another cod or anything else until you bring back universal servers with total control like it used to be.

>>715563105
i meant that nobody here is actualy hosting anything but sure bro

>>715562621
I learned yesterday that Eternal Fighter Zero has Concerto lobbies but I don't think anyone here would want to play that

>>715555521 (OP)
I was never interested in fighting games while growing up, I just knew that series like Street Fighter or Tekken existed. Then I learned about SoulCalibur and it just seemed way cooler to have characters fight with weapons. And yeah, I started with SoulCalibur III like >>715557551

>>715555521 (OP)
Have you guys practiced your air throws

>>715558313
To give a summary:
>major changes to a lot of move sets, whether good or bad depends on personal opinion and the character in question
>Siegfried and Nightmare split into two different characters with completely different move sets, the lore reason is that Nightmare is a disembodied suit of armor containing Soul Edge's will now
>new characters: Zasalamel (black sorcerer guy with a scythe who's central to the plot of this game), Tira (Harley Quinn-inspired character who fights with something called a ring blade, serves Nightmare and becomes obsessed with Sophitia and her kids), Setsuka (geisha lady with an umbrella sword), Olcadan (he's just a mimic but also an owl)
>first SC game with Create-A-Soul
>the only SC game where Create-A-Soul characters have their own unique styles to choose, although they are also represented by canon "bonus" characters (Li-Long returned this way and it's the last SC game with him btw)
>Raphael is now a vampire and Amy is playable for the first time too, but she's also just a "bonus" character
>no traditional arcade mode; there's Tales of Souls which contains branching paths with choices, bonus encounters, and endings with QTEs for every character like in Soul Blade (best main mode in the series IMO)
>quick mode is kinda like arcade mode but without character endings or destined battle cutscenes (those were moved to ToS)
>another game mode called Chronicles of the Sword that's a mashup between an RTS and a fighting game, I didn't enjoy this one as much because the RTS elements aren't designed very well and the same strategy works on nearly every map (this mode also features CaS heavily and has a bug that can wipe your save file in most versions)
>there's also a mode with various challenges, but sadly no team battle
>this game also has selectable weapons and weapon effects but it doesn't split game modes into "normal" and "extra" versions based on being able to use it
(1/2)

>>715557551
>>715563656
Shit was so based, I loved making my own custom character. SoulCalibur was peak fighting game and nothing will ever come close.

>>715558313
>>715563772
>more glitches and bugs than in SoulCalibur II; some smaller, some more serious
>most would say worse balance across the board but I never played it online so can't confirm
Overall you can tell that this game had a huge budget for the time and had a lot of care put into many aspects, but it was also kinda rushed at the same time, which means that the complete potential of some ideas couldn't be realized.

>>715555521 (OP)
At their very fundamental level, fighting games are too driven by the idea that one wins, and one loses, and therefore casuals will never actually pick it up in droves - unless there's more to it than just online lobby/matchmaking fightan. This is why Street Fighter 6 is doing so well, the World Tour mode got a LOT of people into the fold, and I say this as someone that found it rather flat and disappointing. And as a casual myself.

If you had a whole ass JRPG adventure or some such that happens to become a fighting game without party systems compared to the Tales series, you'd actually have a better chance of that selling on its own terms than if it was just a straight up fighting game that has a story mode tethered to the hip.

>>715555521 (OP)
The name is Keijo!!!!!!!! btw.

>>715563013
>surely my superior speed will allow me to win

>>715555521 (OP)
Keijo would make for a good fighting game desu.

>fighting game

Make it a turn based samurai fighting game

>>715555521 (OP)
Lots of time, I finally became semi-serious about actually playing through all the RPGs and the like I let accumulate. Perhaps in a few decades.

>>715556116
>LeBron

Cool! Is his super attack calling in a bunch of BLM rioters to burn down the level?

>>715555596
It's pretty evident at this point smash excels because of the Nintendo characters rather than it's gameplay

>>715563726
I can't even pull off a simple anti air. This shit is like magic to me.

make them like strive but without the gays or like type lumina without the long ass combos. smash likes would also work when you put in chars that are not cartoons/furries.

>>715555521 (OP)
A single player as long and engaging as sekiro that teaches me how to play to a high enough level that I can immediately jump online when I'm done.

>>715555521 (OP)
Still beyond me how this got axed and 20 shitty isekais and "the S-Rank hero party kicked me out for being useless but actually I am the greatest ever" slops get approved every season

>>715564287
No, his power is running off like a little bitch and disconnecting every time he loses

>>715555521 (OP)
This is the stupidest shit Ive ever seen

>>715564701
>I took the hit
>I am actually better than you
so you say

appealing characters and move system that's intuitive and doesnt require me to memorize button combinations.
something like destrega for example.

>>715562569
>i know shit fighter 6 is currently seeing success but the community seems to be small and/or shrinking
It’s not. If anything it’s gotten bigger

>>715564797
That's nice but I've seen what normalfags cheer on so I'm going to place your opinion in the sewer where it belongs.

>>715562757
Every multiplayer game is infested with thirdies. Fighting games are the least bad because at least they cost money which blocks some thirdies (unless you’re playing on fightcade in which case you’re stuck with them)

>>715563726
>Have you guys practiced
No. I go in raw and learn from playing.

I like traditional fighting games already but I would like seeing more actual experimentation and original ideas in the genre
Which is not the same as just removing aspects of it to try to pander to an audience that won't like it anyway.

>>715560569
I wanted an Invincible/Image Comics fighting game, but I did not want a tag fighter

>>715563939
Strong SP content is the hook but clearly there’s an art to keep people coming back for more. Mortal Kombat by pure sales *should* be king but its player retention has always been abysmal.
I suppose MK11 is a top 3 fighter on Steam right now but the only reason for that is because GGST has lost like half its players (which is some combination of waiting for ranked, waiting for a balance patch that will kill Pot, waiting for Lucy).

>>715555555

>>715555521 (OP)
who the fuck was the target audience of that anime?

>>715555596
They tried that and even less people played them. Smash got popular because of Mario characters.

>>715556116
the first version of the game wasn't half bad but they fucked it up and killed all their hype by trying to switch engines and having terrible hitboxes and balance. with time it could have been great. Iron giant was the most fun i had in a fighting game in a long while.

>>715565821
Heterosexual men

>>715565662
Mortal Kombat 1 had a ton of controversial decisions, between cast factors, Kameos, weird changes to combat flow that made it feel like a downgrade compared to X or 11, and the egregious monetization, among other factors. Plus it's basically exactly what I said: a story mode tethered to the hip. Production values don't mean much if you'll watch the story once or even on Youtube and then everything else is online matches or Invasion.
Netherrealm were so focused on using a second reboot to bring back characters with their own twists that they forgot to do anything interesting with them that wasn't mostly referencing old shit.

>>715563726
The only time I bother trying airthrows is on roundstart IAD

>>715555521 (OP)
English motherfucker, do you speak it?

>>715555521 (OP)
I played Soul Calibur 2 with my gf today, she beat me 5-4.

>>715556116
People did like Multiversus though.
Then they started doing stupid shit, Shut the fucking game down for god knows what reason even after people payed for overpriced shit, re-release it randomly with everything about it being worse, continue to do stupid shit until it finally died.

>>715566342
does she have a cute penis?

>>715563726
After playing Chipp I got really good at them because I’d go for airthrow resets a lot.

>>715566363
That's been the case for multiple platform fighters where the dev seemed to have self sabotaged their products

>NASB 1 came with no voice acting, really wonky mechanics and movement, no content, and shitty rollback
>NASB 2 was an improvement gameplay wise but the cuts to the roster and reputation from the first game made sure it died even faster
>Fraymakers was released extremely unfinished and with awful netcode
>Rivals 2 made gameplay changes that turned off veterans and released with little to no content despite being out of early access

Rivals 1 and Slap City are the two games I know of that didn't shoot themselves in the foot in any way, and while Rivals maintained a niche community, workshop helped boost the popularity of the game quite a lot. Meanwhile Slap City had its time as FOTM only to get murdered by Ultimate's announcement. It's truly a cursed genre.

>>715564385
I learned being under the opponent before you jump n throw em is the easiest

>>715555521 (OP)
Oil Check finishers

>>715566207
Even ignoring MK1 X and 11 also had terrible retention relative to their sales.

I just want to play Project Justice. Do I play it on fightcade or CFC2?

>>715567330
Do NOT give Capcom money for their shitty, no Crossplay, Enigma Protector pozzed collections.

ahem
CaC
DATING SIM

i will now play your fighting game

just dropping this here in case anyone wants to mash for a bit in melty
lobby 4806

>>715555521 (OP)
>Keijo could have been a best selling fighting game if Japan had taste
Sigh

>>715556116
Bring em on, baby

>>715567497
if you play nero then fuck off m8

>>715565449
shut up xturded

>>715555521 (OP)
dazzi is in my brain

smash 64 was the last and only fightan game I played and I'm convinced it's one of the best, how right am I?

>>715565449
hello

i heard the balance in the latest game is kinda fucked though.

>>715555521 (OP)
This needs to be a real fighting game. I will play the projectile zoner.

It sucks being the last newbie remaining in an old game

>>715555521 (OP)
God, I wish they'd slam their asses on my cock

>>715569079
but do you like the way it sucks

>>715568509
>no western release
oof

>>715564503
the two guys making the series had a serious falling-out and broke off their partnership.

Add a full singleplayer sidescroller style beat em up mode to every fighting game and they will quadruple in sales.

Half the work is already done. Just make maybe 2 simplistic combatants meant for NPCs use other characters as boss fights.
The stages from the normal mode could easily be expanded into full levels with just a couple extra guys to lay out the assets as the rest of the game is worked on.

I am fucking tell you right now.
Hybridize fighting games to feature a brawler mode and watch the money flow.
Street Fighter accepted you need a good singleplayer experience and it was very successful. IF YOU DEVELOP A FIGHTING GAME PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. Even something basic as fuck like Tekken Force can radically boost sales from someone curious about something other than the same fucking thing like a Madden game.

FIGHTING GAMES NEED MORE FIGHTING MODES
NOT JUST A ROSTER AND A VERSUS MODE
IT'S WHY I DON'T BUY THEM

>>715567748
he's kinda cool (and strong obv) tbqhwydesu

>>715570258
Granblue did that and you didn't buy it

>>715570341
if you play anyting stronger then neco arc you are evil tryhard sweat and i dont play with you and im telling mom

>>715570258
Granblue is a literal example of that not working at all.

>>715556116
this game had the hype to be massive but fumbled it all away. It's really a precautionary tale of incompetence and stupidity

>>715570258
beat em ups fucking suck unless you're a boomer who grew up with them, they are one of the only genres that is less appealing and more niche than even fighting games. The only 2d fighter that could actually make a compelling single player is smash since its fundamentally a platformer too.

The real innovation potential for single player is in the 3d space, I'm interested in what virtua fighter is doing since sega is the only one with the balls and capability to even attempt some kind of revolution there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBNCSeG391Y
its up

>>715572353
>all this cool shit only to end up another strike > slime > strike > slime > throw character
lmao

>>715555521 (OP)
A sudden increase in my skills and knowledge, and a sudden decrease in age to help restore my reflexes well enough to be genuinely competitive.

>>715555521 (OP)
3 combos maximum

remedial yolo mashing bums

How hard is it to learn Rachel Alucard?
I always wanted to try set play zoners but I have terrible execution/sloppy inputs

>>715575691
you need to have hyperborean autism to play her to full potential

>>715555521 (OP)
For them to stop pandering to hoodrats, gays, and the woke. Give me attractive big booby women in skimpy clothe. Cool edgy characters. Solid gameplay, a good single player, good story mode, and not slop.

>>715560853
keep up the effort sister, surely you'll convince one of them that liking this stuff means they should cut off their dick like you did.

>>715576425
but I love looking at dirty ugly hobomen and ugly women in my street fighter so I can associate and self insert better #SFPRIDE

>>715575691
I hope you like doing IADs

>>715576425
and yet you aren't playing the game, curious.

I think we're far enough in now to tell pretty well that whatever devs have to do to pull in more people who don't already like fighting games, it's not going to be something that the core audience likes. I wonder how much of a part the elitism of the FGC plays, if they snub changes just because they're different or new. Like I remember when people would point to Strive having high damage as a "look how casualized this game is now" take when high damage actually used to be the norm.

>>715577796
How do you know he doesn't play it?
How do you know he's not part of those 400, or however many play it on PSN?

would it kill square enix to make an actual good decision now a days and partner with capcom to make a 2d FF tag fighter?

>>715576425
>hoodrats, gays, and the woke
Those are literally the people who have been playing and sticking when th fighting games the most since forever. Like it was fucking Asian, Latino, White and Black hoodrats playing all these games as far as the eye could see and a whole league of freaks playing the anime fighters.

I like Tekken but honestly I don't really feel like playing it much because the community sucks ass. It's one thing always shittalking online and constantly doomposting (I mean sure go ahead, the balance patches were garbage). It's another that every single fucking game is just t-bagging, rage quitting, one and done fucking horseshit garbage man. come on, can we just play a full set jesus h christ almighty.

People don't play these games because of combos. Every release they extend the combos longer and longer, with more cutscenes and time wasted. These days, you spend the majority of your time staring at the screen waiting to play again. Combos are uninteractive, uninteresting, and just not fun.

https://files.catbox.moe/rtta53.mp4

>>715578228
im curious how the community culture of tekken came about, because the vibe i get is their demographic skews a lot more heavily towards whiny scrub shitters than other FGs.
Like for example, i see tekken players complain that people one-and-done so much in ranked over there, to a degree i've never seen in any other of the current games.

It's probably something to do with the mash friendly gameplay and realistic artstyle that draws in people that are a lot closer to normie types than your typical fg player.

>>715578689
>30 second long combos
not even anime games are this bad lel

>>715562757
>who can't play actual video games
Name 10 of those games, NOW.

>>715558260
I was too and I can't find a good res.

>>715564321
If that were the case then no one would play smash.

>>715555521 (OP)
Nothing can change to make people play fighting games. Everyone always brings up something that fighting games have done and it has never worked. You either like the genre enough to tough it out or you don't play aside from mashing with friends for a laugh. Sadly fighting games still believe in the meme of making their games have less depth = more players.

>>715579590
soul
>>715555521 (OP)
soulless

>>715564797
That's the appeal.

>>715555596
I made a smash clone once

>>715579975
>You either like the genre enough to tough it out or you don't play aside from mashing with friends for a laugh
This is 100% correct, which is why it pisses me off how both Street Fighter and Tekken got turned into... that, to the benefit of absolutely no one.

>>715580179
also, the AI was a monster, trashes humans like a crumpled tissue.

I have PTSD and start freezing up when I'm playing against anyone that isn't my friends so I can't really play fighting games despite loving them a lot

The only thing I can take from this thread is that you people are absolutely terrified of losing. If you seriously think you need 100+ hours in training mode as a beginner, you are delusional. Figure out the mechanics, figure out your moves, and just go fight people. I remember when Strive first came out, the ladder system was fucked(maybe it still is, I haven't played in years). I was at level 2, which was way below anyone else in my region. So I just went to an open lobby, and matched up with a max-level Ky. He absolutely annihilated me. But, he was willing to rematch me. I fought this same guy over and over for 2 hours, and I genuinely felt like a better player afterwards. I learned how good pushblocking was, I got a solid grasp on how my anti-airs worked, and just generally got better at placement. I only beat him 2-3 times, and it was never because I was better than him. It was because I paid attention to his habits, and pulled unhinged stupid moves that managed to pay off. Also grabs. Even top players never seem to see grabs coming when you're not playing a grappler.

>>715571636
>>715566363
It was deathspiraling before the took the game offline and make it ten times worse.

>>715582262
well yeah that's the point. The game had everything going for it except the game part

>>715556256

>>715555521 (OP)
>1866 MR in SF6
>Can't fucking make it into the 1900s
It is fucking over, I am so fucking badddddd

>>715555521 (OP)
>fighting games
you mean poor mans lmbs

>>715556256
Just place some piece of shit like yoshimitsu, arakune, or happy chaos retard you clearly just want to not actually think or interact with other players too much so just play the characters that don't have to.

>>715581740
i blame modern ranked modes for putting the fear of losing in people. In the olden days you'd be playing in server browsers with nothing carrying over between sessions. In the arcade, or with your brother, not thinking about stats at all but just playing for the fun of it.
If you think about it, obsessing over rank to the detriment of your actual gameplay is making the classic mistake of confusing the map for the territory.

>>715555521 (OP)
I only play fighting games with interesting visuals casually. Do all the story modes, maybe play it with a friend every once in a while. I don't see worth my while to get a fighting game that's made for competitive tryhards and looks like ass, which is 80% of 3D fighting games.

>>715583459
What's the other 20%?

>>715583503
Budokai Tenkaichi

A wide enough pool of newcomers that I could contend with people who are also just trying to learn the basics rather than getting raped in the mouth by people familiar enough with the genre to turn me away. I tried to get into fighting games. It's fucking demoralizing at best. At worst it's an exercise in watching yourself get fucked over and over without any idea what you did wrong because apparently everything you did was wrong.
>>715581740
Bullshit. You do not learn the fundamentals, let alone how to play mind games, in 2 hours. You are either an autistic savant wasting xer talent or you are a liar. I'm reasonably confident it's the latter.

Good netcode

>>715581740
Need Giovanna paizuri and rimjob

>>715555521 (OP)
Keijo deserved better.

>>715570258
As someone who played Smash Bros Brawl as a kid only for Subspace Emissary, yeah this could probably work but if it's too cheap and the story's lame no one will be interested.

>>715583503
Games with striking character designs or that paid attention to aesthetics, rather than just having serviceable 3D models.
I think the only 3D fighting games I've bought and played in the last 15 years were Xrd and Granblue VS.

>>715580450
coreboy got hands

>>715555521 (OP)
Marvel versus Capcom 4

>>715583961
>You do not learn the fundamentals, let alone how to play mind games, in 2 hours
Now now, I never said anything about fundamentals. I've been a casual for years. If you're truly new, you can get the fundamentals in arcade mode. I'm saying that I learned what was valuable in that game specifically. Roman Cancels, how you should be spending your meter, more mid-level skills. As for mindgames, they're not the chess match people make them out to be. It's more like "damn, he really likes doing that big air slash move. I should watch out for that." It's more abstract in online lobbies, but your opponent is still just some guy. You CAN fuck with him.

>>715580450
I like how unforgiving the killbox on the arena edges is, reminds me of melee in a good way.

The later games really annoyed me with how much they tried to tone down the lethality and potential for early % kills. Especially the stupid helium balloon physics characters have where they get launched super fast initially for the sake of flashiness, but also decelerate extremely fast so every meaty launch turns into a fakeout that ends with the guy limping back to the arena.

>>715555521 (OP)
I wish this show got a second season.

>>715555619
/thread. Fighting games are only fun when you are facing off against someone IRL and able to process their reactions and strategies in real time and in their presence (plus shoot the shit afterwards).

>>715564797
It's unironically better written and directed than most normalfaggy bullshit so the stupidity of it adds to the charm.

i'm able to execute way better on controller than stick
there's much less travel

>>715555521 (OP)
Already do but on the verge of dropping or taking a long break because modern games suck and I've played everything else old under the sun on ggpo/2df/fightcade

>>715583459
Yeah I get it, I personally don't enjoy playing competitive games anymore. I really wish fighting games had some kind of sidescrolling beat em up mode like Tekken Force. I don't know any other than Tekken 3 and 4.
As it is it's only worthwhile to get them when they're deeply discounted to do the story mode stuff.

>>715555521 (OP)
A new Dead or Alive, or my friends to actually bother trying to learn one. I own so many and all I really want is one of my friends to learn one properly.

>>715585386
Well, it's not like I don't play competitive games at all, I just don't want *every* game I play to be competitive. Every fighting game I see looks like it's designed and marketed to be an investment of time to get good at infinite combos and tag systems, and after a while I just started ignoring the whole genre.

>>715555596
>someone makes a smash clone
>they add some unnecessary gimmick
>no casual mode so it’s comp or nothing

I don't like games where I can sense the stupidity and belligerence of my opponent in an overt way. Fighting games allow you to impart so much of your personality/style into a match that when I play against absolutely retarded evil disrespectful scum, it makes me annoyed by having to associate with them at all.

>>715555521 (OP)
If I could unbreak my brain and finally get into a game other than 3rd Strike fgs would probably be my most played genre

>>715585117
I can't into stick at all. Leverless and keyboard feel a lot more natural to me

>>715555521 (OP)
Remake the doujin fighter Eight Marbles.

>>715559914
This art reminds me of saver marionette j

>>715587982
It should
It's made by the author

>>715587982
>>715590189
Wait, not quite the author but the guy who designed the characters for the anime.

>>715590329
Yeah, Obari did both the Fatal Fury OVA and Saber Marionette J.
He also animated the CotW and KoF XV intro videos.

>>715590584
>CotW intro video
Oh, I have not watched that actually
I should look it up.

Haha imagine if they started kissing each other and taking their swimsuits off haha

>>715591260
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNeNUE8FBRY

It's pretty good. It's just a shame that it uses a Ganacci song instead of the actual main theme.
I don't even dislike his stuff but it doesn't fit as well as this would have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VZkll3Nc80

>>715586857
>looks like it's designed and marketed to be an investment of time to get good at infinite combos and tag systems,
The way these games get simpler and simpler to learn and get to a decent level of atleast being able to have fun anytime you match against randoms online, but retards keep parroting shit like you is very funny.

how can anyone enjoy service games knowing your time, skill and progress can be stolen at any point by the devs?
>hurrr le stop killing games
they don't have to kill them. they can patch them, nerf all your favorite characters, make a sequel which sucks up all the playerbase, release new content which renders old content 'pointless' etc.

imagine you train your whole life to play soccer and one day they announce that soccer now has new rules and there's a soccer 2 coming out in 2 years, which will have even more new rules, so even learning the new rules is a waste of time.

>>715556116
the game still has to be good

>>715591497
If you consider a nerf to be stealing your skill or progress in an online game you are retarded.

>there are people that haven't watched the Keijo!!!!!!!! dub

god i feel bad for them

>>715591442
OK that's pretty rad yes, some very cool shots in there. Mai looks CUTE in that style.
Also yeah, the music is pretty inoffensive desu but I would have preferred something else.
>that Ronaldo shot out of nowhere
kek
I shouldn't be surprised about it but it still felt a bit odd.

>>715558620
you are wrong. every smash clone fails for one reason and one reason only. they are ALL terrible games compared to smash. no one is asking for a smash clone to just exist no matter how bad the games are. people want a GOOD game. no one is going to play brawlhalla, nick allstar brawlhalla, and multiversus because they are ALL garbage games.

>>715585117
I went from pad to leverless. It took a few days for my brain to wrap around it but I play a lot of PC games so eventually the wires started connecting

>The most popular is Mortal Kombat
>People only care about the fatalities on youtube
Thanks Ed Coon

>>715591442
not using Chain Reaction for the OP was egregious imo. the Ganacci song is OK but the whole pretense is sour for one and the theme written for the game is just way better.

>>715555521 (OP)
Never. Just turn it into a dating sim visual novel. Would rather date Chun Li and Cammy. Fightan just sucks

>>715591921
NTA but obviously Sakurai is a much more talented director than anyone putting up a Smash clone is. But that still doesn’t mean that Smash’s success isn’t largely predicated on being a crossover game.
There used to be multiple Smash threads every single day on /v/ and every last one of them was nothing but shitposting and rosterfagging. Then Sora came out and there’s been very little discussion since.
Fighters might only get one or two threads a day for the entire genre but that’s more than what Smash usually gets.

>>715585117
>'02 Ryo image
People really overstate the necessity of stick for basic movement in KoF. I know a lot of people lean into the crutch of ending on 3 to get out hyper hops without getting a super jump on stick. I do it sometimes too. But on pad you literally just flick, it comes out super easy.

>>715563836
nothing will ever come close to soul caliber 2 and 3

>>715583961
>You do not learn the fundamentals, let alone how to play mind games, in 2 hours
You actually can. Have a new player play a few matches to get used to the controls and then have them play like 10 after you tell them about the Neutral Triangle and they *will* be playing them at their most basic level.

>>715585039
>Fighting games are only fun when you are facing off against someone IRL
A lot of people's memories of this predate the relative ubiquity of high level play thanks to the internet, which puts skill gaps into even greater perspective. Nowadays what a lot of people reflect back on as a golden age would barely qualify as "really" playing the game.

>>715592618
couch co-op was peak fun. no faggot game developers telling you that you can't call your friend a faggot nigger and taking your game away for wrong speak

>>715555521 (OP)
Sleeping enough

>>715555521 (OP)
you'd have to pay me at least 5k a month to play them

>>715555543
>When you get a job first.
But that's how you stop playing fighting games.

>>715592938
I have a full time job and I still play fighting games. Hell, steam would regularly report 160 hours in the last 2 weeks for a while until I started slowing down.

>>715555521 (OP)
I already play a fighting game (Smash Bros)

Sorry I'm a white man I don't play that garbage, I have class

>>715592618
>Nowadays what a lot of people reflect back on as a golden age would barely qualify as "really" playing the game.
I think it’s also because of how widely available resources are. The minimum floor for online play is a lot higher because even a shitter (aka me) can just look up what my good buttons and basic BnBs are off Supercombo or Dustloop or Mizuumi.
I remember a few weeks ago Pat and Woolie (yes I know ecelebs shoot me) we’re talking about how much better the both of them are at SF6 than they ever were at Third Strike, despite both of them playing a fuckton of Third Strike together and with other friends in college. And then Pat admitted that the level of shitter they were at was that not a single one of them would EVER hit a medium button. Because why would you hit a medium when if you wanted a fast attack you could hit a light and if you wanted a strong attack you could hit a heavy?
That kind of shitter fun play just isn’t a thing anymore.

>>715593024
Nice cope
Imagine being slower, dumber and less adaptable than the boogeymen you hate kek

>>715593036
so many words and yet you say so little, lay off the ritalin buddy

>>715592439
the recognizable character aspect brought them all in BUT the game actually being good kept them playing and got even more people into tournaments. the japanese monthly major doesnt get nearly 1m views mainly because of the games recognizable characters, they succeed as well as they do because smash ultimate is literally the only good platform fighter. if fighting game dev teams had any brains they would be working on a platform fighter right now, there is clearly a lot of interest in the genre

>>715593112
Fuck off retard.

>>715555521 (OP)
Somebody buying me a stick.

>>715555521 (OP)
>>715556116
>>715556234
Smash gods won

>>715593104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTQ37JbYME

>>715593157
You don't need a stick to compete. The only reason I got one was because my d-pad was getting too mushy and my 720's weren't coming out.

>>715592980
>160 hours in the last 2 weeks
Well, that's literally all free time you have assuming you're working standard ~40ish hours per week.
Which is not a realistic expectation for people who want to jump into fighting games. Getting good requires a crapload of time a dedication. And job certainly doesn't help with that.

>>715578689
Long combos is definitely the biggest issue with Tekken 8, alongside the overwhelming sound and visual effects, they are draining and need to be reduced

>>715593036
Reminds me of the "visualizer" for this playlist from YT.
https://youtu.be/gtKW6c6K-eI?si=vlkeRqfkgOtWdPGf
You can tell it's funsies casual play, but there's still glimpses of tight shit here and there, some raw super whiff punishes, basic confirms, etc. The kind of shit someone new can pull off that's still worth getting hype for. It's harder to come by little ponds that foster play like this when everything is so fixated on the ocean of online ranked.

>>715591442
This song is like what plays on a youtube video back in the day after the WMG claimed copyright on the music and you had to pick from youtube's approved sound library.

>>715593112
Okay ESL-kun

>>715565821
Me.

>>715587817
>there's a normal version of this
Kek I thought the fart fetish one was the original.

Anyone want to play it with me right now?

is butt sumo real?

>>715592618
>Nowadays what a lot of people reflect back on as a golden age would barely qualify as "really" playing the game.
Yep
Back then most people were dumbass scrubs who barely knew what they were doing, only the best of the best were actually playing the game

>>715593242
trust me I do, all my d-pads are shit.

>>715577796
If Granblue has 1 thousand players I won't be one of them
If Granblue has 435 players I won't be one of them
If Granblue has 1 player I won't be him

>>715593127
Getting a bunch of developers to design platform fighters, a genre they have never developed before, to try and lure away the Smash audience sounds like a great way to make an immediate flop. I just don’t think that anyone has the ability to make their first attempt end up being the Smash Killer.

>>715593304
The guy you are quoting is a gigantic faggot but there is nothing wrong with the English in the post itself you stupid faggot, shut the fuck up.

>>715593419
you'd rather play a game after all of the most tryhard strategies are crowdsourced and discovered than be part of the discovery yourself?

>>715593478
it doesn't need to be a "smash killer". it just needs to be a game to play

>>715577796
I like Granblue
It has several fun characters.

>>715593195
I thought people loved the first one but hated 2.

>>715593419
It's reductive but not wrong, and it's not something that I discredit fighting games for as a genre, either, that there's such a potentially alienating gap between skill levels. It's cool having such a tangible reference point for where you are and where you can go as a player. But it's not something that does the genre any favors for attracting or even retaining players.

>>715593485
I'm at the point where I have more fun with the discovery than I do with winning leading to me do almost nothing but lab the past two weeks just for shits and giggles.

>>715593652
you have now learned people play new games because theyre new and not because theyre good

>>715593389

>>715593485
That's not what I said
I just mean that the "golden age" was simply an "ignorance is bliss" thing with the occasional organic discovery being made.
It's cool but in the end it's mostly fun because everyone is a noob and learning (slowly)

It would piss off fighting game fans but make it more spontaneous, random, and funny.

The only "fighting" game I like is Gang Beasts and thats because it feels very random and goofy, keeping it fun and casual.

Same reason alot of people like TF2 for the ability to be goofy and casual.

>>715593694
yet, capcom vs SNK 2 is here.

>>715593419
Shitters made fighting games more fun. Being a shitter against other shitters is more fun than knowing what you're doing.

>>715593273
I think it’s because locals are, at this point, completely indistinguishable from online, at least in terms of the skill floor.
The only place where this kind of play still exists is if you’re playing the game at someone’s house with your friends. And even then it only takes one or two of them deciding they want to get a little better at the game (even if only so they can beat their friends) and looking up shit that you couldn’t 20 years ago.

>>715593519
Even a Smash competitor sounds like a risk no one is interested in taking lol

Smash sells just because is Nintendo, it's the same with platformers, Sony made Astrobot that has the same quality as the 3D Marios and It didn't sell.
Same with Mario Kart, Crosswords is gonna sell like shit if we compare with it.

>>715593652
>>715593694
People love 2 thoughbeit?

>>715593735
>search source
>fart fetish
my disappointment is immeasurable

>>715593793
truth. nothing is more fun than picking a secondary that needs a lot of work into someone who's baseline competent with your main character. you get to watch your main kick ass while still having a good time.

>>715593932
top game in EVO right now is a smash clone

The most fun I've ever had with fighting games is PRECISELY when I understood just exactly how shit I actually was at CvS 2, got a glimpse of what actual CvS 2 looked like and started learning how to do that myself. Literally everyone around me was at a higher level than myself and I spent about a year slowly working my way up, learning characters, learning concepts, trying out different Groove and team combinations and so on.
Once I caught up with my friends I started having even more fun.

>>715593828
>and looking up shit that you couldn’t 20 years ago.
OBJECTION!

i learned wavedashing on Marth after watching a SSBM video around ~2006 (the video was called "kaze no kizu" and had an x-japan and hide soundtrack. if anyone else knows it). from that point on, i could beat all of my friends when before i was maybe 2nd or 3rd best

Shut the fuck up about Smash you retards
It's not a fighting game

Fighting games are the worst genre as dev could make besides rts.

>>715594065
Anon that is the “extended lineup” aka the irrelevant league.

>>715594182
copium

>>715594206
he's right though

>>715594165
you mean it's a pain to program?

>>715594129
This
There isn't nearly enough trans representation in Smash for it to be a fighting game

>>715594285
Look at all those men.

>>715594250
No. I mean it's not worth doing. It's too niche and your game will be solved in hours.

>>715594285
there's too much troon representation everywhere. the government should expedite the 41% and make it 100%

>>715594285
>Artoria
>Naoto
>A fucking puppet

CHOOSE YOUR MONSTER

>>715594206
Stay mad

>>715556116
>>715556234
Neither of these games are as good as smash. They're both worse and were carried by smash player base trying them out for a while and the tiny portion of players who didn't want to get into super normie bros. And once the smash players got bored and put it down you had the real player population, which wasn't enough to sustain an esports scene or even streaming content.

>>715594434
I choose incest sister

I feel like the time for fighting games to capitalize on their mass appeal in any meaningful way for the betterment of the genre has passed, they failed to use their window to increase literacy of the games' mechanics for the average person to even tell how two of these games are different from each other, and all that's left is to dumb it down for casuals or pad it with a singleplayer mode that offers a story to follow to occupy the player's attention which is otherwise not being taken up by how the game works. tl;dr just play old shit

>>715594536
Anon, solving the games is what made them boring. There's no mystery to fighting games anymore. No mystique. It's just memorizing information.

>>715593456
Ah sweet I'm using this one the next time some chucklefuck whines about people not wanting to play, talk about or even mention rising.

>>715594609
The strangest thing is the people who know this and yet willingly go on to spoil all information for themselves regardless.
Then they complain that the genre is boring. Makes no god damn sense.

>>715576425
>Stop pandering to hoodrats
I fucking wish they would pander to hoodrats.
Maybe then we would have some bitches with ass and titties in some stripper-iffic clothes on the level of gacha sluts instead of women who live like men and men who dress like women.
I would fucking like for a Japanese version of Def Jam Vendetta/Fight for New York.
The Western fighting industry is DEAD

>>715594609
Having combo notations or developing a reductive mindset toward how a match plays out doesn't make it "solved," or else everyone would know how every tournament played out and nobody would watch. I understand that people don't button mash like they used to, but I'm speaking in terms of how the genre could evolve for the sake of people who actually appreciate them. I'm basically thinking it can't, for that to happen there would have to be a greater appreciation for the mechanical nuance of the genre, but that isn't there and it's too far down the line to cultivate it, so all that's left is Shenmue mode.

>>715594774
Because winning>everything. At least that's the idea. I recently dropped them and have no desire to play them again.

>>715594906
I didn't say combo notations had anything to do with them being solved. It's all just memorized frame data if anything. It's boring. As for the people who actually appreciate them, the games are devolving. Execution is getting cut out with a scalpel.

>>715594609
Learning how to play and do cool looking shit while outsmarting another person better and better is the fun. Regardless of whether you are learning on your own or with an online guide to help.
>>715594774
But the people who complain about the genre being boring are literally the retards who DON'T look up any information. The people bothering to learn the information about the games are the ones sticking with the games and having the times of their lives and enjoying the games for hundreds of hours even if only against randoms online.

>>715595039
Not in my experience.

>>715583228
This shit is everywhere niw, with people stressing over every bear ass and minor grind stat to a point they of stopping playing instead if accepting a minor inefficiency in the whatever artificial grind the devs put there to keep the hamsters running their wheels.

>>715555521 (OP)
This but it would be breast expansion chounyuu fighting game. Cute girls with growing tits, expansion/compression, nipple swords, lactation beams, cleavage grabs, etc

>>715595121
These games are basically geek assertions of dominance at the end of the day and nobody wants to feel like prey over how they push buttons. Maybe if you could actually make friends over this genre with randos but you're way more likely for the other player's desire to feel like they're better than you to stretch beyond the game.

>>715555521 (OP)
Better question is what would it take for me to get back into fighting games.
The answer is nothing. I quit and I'm so much happier. I regret ever starting.

>opponent afks in the public lobby

name a worse offense

I don't know why people argue about this stuff when the simple and obvious reason is that for most people fighting games just aren't as fun as other games, single player or multiplayer

>>715595518
>opponent starts giving you pointers

i literally did not ask. they only do this as some sort of weird self-fellation

>>715595065
If the best part of the genre for anyone was the "mystery" of people not knowing shit then they are fundamentally incompatible with any fighting game made since sf2. Or in case you are the 2nd guy, no. There is also the retards who DO look up info briefly when starting but hate reading and can't do something simple as remember "if this character do this move I should fuck them up with one" then immediately start calling it boring or too tryhard.

>>715595519
>when the simple and obvious reason is that most people are egotistical simpletons who also are extremely averse to real challenge
Fixed that for you, you must've had cope lock on while you were typing.

>>715595596
losers don't get to dictate how the winner acts

>>715595596
You sound extremely insecure and your explanation for why that bothers you is 100% projection.

>>715595702
then why do they play other games? Madden and Fifa aren't hurting for players and they're every bit as 1v1, get good as fighting games

>>715595810
Not that guy but did you miss the "real challenge" part of the post?
I am not familiar with Madden or Fifa but I have no reason to believe they have mechanics as complex as the ones in fighting games. Do they?

>>715576425
This
It's especially obvious in SF6 with its shitty nigger aesthetic and uglified women

https://youtu.be/DAttYnX1Y9M?si=8gXylgpO0IiSwQ32&t=1381
this match is pretty sick

>>715555521 (OP)
Reminder to the FGC: Trans rights are human rights

>>715596050
What do you mean, bro?
The girls look BEAUTIFUL bro
Chun-li looks the best she has ever looked, bro

>>715595997
can't speak for fifa in depth, but maddens has loads of depth and complexity. There are a ton of moving parts and things you have account for and that's before you get to the execution aspect. In some ways it's similar to a fighting in that the whole game revolves around incrementally out-scheming and out executing your opponent with one being able to make up for the other to varying degrees

>can't speak for fifa in depth, but maddens has loads of depth and complexity. There are a ton of moving parts and things you have account for and that's before you get to the execution aspect. In some ways it's similar to a fighting in that the whole game revolves around incrementally out-scheming and out executing your opponent with one being able to make up for the other to varying degrees

A detailed Create-a-Fighter mode.

>>715596437
The difference is that MUT lets you spend money to make a much stronger team. It’s the most P2W shit imaginable even if at the top level of play everyone is mostly evenly matched.

>>715595710
>>715595808
>implying i lost
these weirdos do it no matter what
i think i hit the nail on the head and you're hurt by what i said

>>715596495
You have never been to a Buc-ee’s

>>715595654
I'm sorry but I didn't understand a single thing you were trying to say.

>>715555521 (OP)
When I stop getting tilt by losing

>>715593024
man, you are not fooling nobody. There is no reason for you to be here in the first place "white man".

>>715596676
You can think whatever you want, you are the one getting asshurt about what is most likely an innocuous interaction, not me.

>>715596664
mut isn't the main game, it's just shit for whates. Everybody just uses the standard teams in regular play and pro play

>>715596954
you pounced on my comment that was relevant to the other guy and you got all pissy.
not everyone wants your pointers, dude. deal with it

>>715595596
its your responsibility to learn the matchup against my character so I can do the cool level 2 shit instead of looping level 1 options over and over, hurry it up

>>715555596
>smash clones

>>715597137
I don't give pointers.
I also don't act out like a little bitch and project my insecurities onto others when they do.

>>715576095
>>715577017
Ah ok, seems painful, dicked around with some combo trials just out of boredom and I'm struggling with 3/4 due to the drive inputs into super or the drive input then dash into 5b.
Maybe the beginner combos elsewhere are more lenient.
Her wind gimmick seems cool as hell despite the difficulty

>>715577796
Too bad that it also has a whole assortment of flaming faggy designs for the male characters in its roster.

>>715595808
To be fair I kinda understand that if you're not particularly interested to start having the gameplan rundown after a bunch of sets.

>>715555521 (OP)
having fun, even the best players usually lose like every 5 or 6 match...
its just not fun as some average dude losing like 10 fights in a row and then get one or two wins. So yeah there is more or less nothing you can do to make people play fighting games if fun is the objective without sweating your ass off forever

>>715555521 (OP)
More actual innovation on the 1v1 duel gameplay. Every fighting game's idea of innovation is to have like one mechanic that isn't in street fighter.

>>715561760
The sport already exist brah. They call it Sumo at Sea in Survivor.

>>715583228

>tfw like to lab stuff in training mode but cant arse myself to spend more than 5 games playing online
how to fix this daily routine FG bros?

>>715598725
It's a 1v1 game man, are you expecting MMR 50:50 win:loss?

>>715555521 (OP)
More 3D fighters like SC or Bloody Roar.
I don't particularly like Tekken, VF or DOA, even if only one of those latter 3 currently has a current gen entry.

>>715598908
Start finding cool shit and making combo videos.

>>715599003
people just expect to have fun

>>715599079
>and making combo videos.
Maybe, but i dont really have any editing skills or experience..

>>715599239
Combo videos are a great place to start learning. They're pretty simple unless you want to use a shit ton of effects and transitions.
Just slap your clips on a timeline, cut em, maybe add some music and you're good.

>>715599593
which editing software?

>>715570258
SF6 has one of the most extended single-player experience with open world with exploration, questlines, custom moveset building etc.

>>715599734
I use davinci resolve. I hear Kdenlive is good too if you want something foss but I haven't tried it.

>>715556256
Almost every fighting game has the 'un-orthodox' archetype. Yoshimitsu, Faust, etc.

I miss Guilty Gear

>>715599941
venom in guilty gear is my favorite unorthodox character ever

>>715600184
it's on steam

>>715555596
nice for making everyone seeth.
People don't want to play the same fighting games, Smash makes something different for once and fighting game fags now pretend its a different genre.
Gang Beasts, Sifu, Castle Crashers

>>715555521 (OP)
When they make more unique 3D fighting games like For Honor, Chivalry/Mordhau and Absolver. Traditional 2D arcade fighters are lame.

>>715600453
Literally none of those are fighting games.

>>715600554
Sure they are, they are games about fighting other players.

>>715600453
>3D fighters
They've already achieved perfection mechanically and visually with Soul Calibur 2.

>>715600602
I fight people in Overwatch
Overwatch is not a fighting game.

>>715600602
Are Galaga and Call of Duty in the same genre? They're both about shooting.

>>715600608
Based ever present SC2 appreciator.

>>715600645
No you shoot people in Overwatch, it's a shooter.

>>715600554
name 1 fighting game

>>715555521 (OP)
Fighting "games" are nigger tier shit. Nobody with white skin should play them

>>715555521 (OP)
Add Homing Dash to more fighting games.

>>715600743
Yes, several people already posted this cope already.

>>715600737
Granblue Fantasy Versus...
...
...Rising

>>715600737
FX Fighter

>>715600678
Galaga is more like precursor to shmups

>>715600837
those are clearly an action game
you secondaries can fuck right off, this is a fighting game. In fact its the very first fighting game.

ESL

>>715601142
You did not play this game when it was new, shut the fuck up.

>>715600748
2H, my old friend.

>opponent rage quits when I anti-air their constant jump-ins
This happens all the fucking time on Fightcade

>>715600453
I really wish they didnt drop the ball with For Honor, its still going on and all - but i think when they tried ot make it more of a 1on1 game is when they lost the plot... but the revenge system made it impossible to gang up.
>>715600554
I'd argue For Honor is a fighting game, it has everything you'd expect from games like Tekken.

>>715598480
beat them up

>>715555521 (OP)
>What would take so (you) start play fighting games?
I played Tekken, Soul Calibur and some others on PS1, that was enough of this genre for a lifetime.

>>715601142
>this is a fighting game. In fact its the very first fighting game.
Alright, grandpa, back to your timeline where Karate Champ is still hot shit. Just because something had sprites duking it out doesn’t mean it fits the modern definition of a fighter. That’s like calling Pong a sports simulator. You're not a purist, you're just stuck in the past.

>>715600689
Soul Calibur 2 should be studied by anyone who wants to make a game. It's has colors that pop without getting in the way, great texture and model work, it looks stylized yet realistic and above all it is INSTANTLY CLEAR AND READABLE to the player what is happening on screen at all times.

Games don't need a million filters and post-process options to look good and almost always look worse for it.

>>715555521 (OP)
>What would take so (you) start play
The internet should have never left the west. It kills me when see literal billions of barely sentient thirdies shuffling along creating mountains of trash and consuming both animals and natural resources to accomplish nothing as a civilization but to expand and pollute more. It's like a factory of misery and westoids are responsible for keeping it alive.

>>715603074
Fuck off retard.
Why do monolinguals think they can mock someone who speaks more than one language? Are they literally retarded?
As if burgers didn't constantly fuck up extremely simple things like your/you're

>>715599079
iluv comboes

>>715555596
No, people are interested in fighting games. The problem is elitist autists gatekeep the fuck out of the genre by claiming that archaic design is needed so with every passing year it becomes more and more difficult to get into. The fundamentals of fighting games translate pretty well from series to series(except Tekken which is mostly its own beast) so no matter where you try to make your entry point you either play with button mashers for the first month or 20-30 year veterans once all the casuals quit.

>>715603653
Shit, i wish Strive Venom was nearly as fun as XX Venom

>>715568435
Holy fuck. What a brat.

>>715603653
Bless +R for adding slashback. One little parry and that boi is done for.

>>715602728
I haven't played it in like 20 years but I agree with your assessment, that is very much how I remember it.
I remember enjoying SCIII as well, but less so. Never played anything after that though.

>>715603765
Players cannot actually gatekeep shit.
Have you seen what they did with "Street Fighter" 6? "Tekken" 8?
Which fucking part of that makes you think elitists can keep people out? The devs themselves have watered down and dumbed down shit beyond recognition and people STILL whine about entry barriers or whatever the fuck, it will never be enough.

>>715591497
It's the opposite, if you get good at fighting games, the fundamentals you pick up will make you good at all of them. The path to a healthy competitive mindset makes you a better person all around too, but maybe that's a little too big of an ask for /v/.

The people who play single player games are the ones with issues. The way they engage with their games is truly disposable, which is why they're overwhelmingly the ones pushing SKG. They take away nothing from each game they consume, too obsessed with the concept of an end product that they fail to appreciate the value of the transient experiences along the way.
Anyone that plays live service games can tell you that the value of the experience comes more from the 'live' element than the game component.

>>715600608
>>715600689
>>715602728
Do you want to play SC2?

>>715604063
>disposable, which is why they're overwhelmingly the ones pushing SKG
Why would people who see games as disposable want a game to be preserved

>>715603985
Except it worked for SF6

>>715604071
I'm already in bed so I wouldn't play right now even if I knew how, but tell me: how exactly is that possible? What would I need to download/get?

>>715604340
dolphin emulator has cross play with super little lag u just need some code n shit and put it in the dolphin emulator and it connects its really cool

>>715604313
How so?

>>715604071
i'll play you this afternoon if there's another fightan thread
always wanted to get into soul caliber but 4 was dead when i got it on 360 and 6 runs like ass on my pc

>>715604536
nightmare is very noob friendly in SCII
all you need is the B (vertical slash) upward hold B a bit then do the downwards one. Those 2 attacks deal extreme damage and combo into each other thats pretty much all you need to know then you figure it out. Also Nightmare has one of the best grab ranges in the game and possibly the best guard too.

>>715603653
that's not a combo

>>715555521 (OP)
I gave up fighting games the first time I ever played a match online. It was Street Fighter II Turbo on XBLA. Played a match with some guy and couldn't hit him once. Read his bio afterwards and it was pretty him saying how he was one greatest Street Fighter players ever or some bullshit. I thought, fuck this.. I may have beaten all my friends and siblings at these games growing up, but that doesn't matter anymore. The world was changing. It didn't need washed up fightin' game players like me anymore.

I moved on and never looked back.

>>715603765
Street Fighter 6 has literally two different 'control modes', classic and modern - latter making the game a bit easier to play.

I really think most people just complain about the genre and havent seen how the past 3 years have completely redesigned and made the genre more approachable than ever.
>>715604063
Literally this, getting good in Fighting Games help you build understanding across the genre too.

>>715604828
You're not a combo

>>715604164
It's not so much that games are disposable but the way they engage with them making it so. Kind of like someone taking a phone camera to a concert and spending the whole time filming instead of experiencing it. They film because they assume the experience isn't something they can take home, but they're wrong about that, and they wouldn't need to if they just focused on appreciating something transient for what it is.

>>715604776
thx but I'll probably play xianguhua or the rapier guy, or one of the sexy chicks if their gameplay clicks with me

>>715604961
xiangua is very OP but more complicatred supposedly the best character in the game. Nightmare is so god damn simple that its just comfy to play as.

>>715604878
You're literally punished for using modern controls. The elitism is still there and it will never completely vanish due to how autistic the FGC is. They don't care about the genre thriving, they care about their little club. Evidence: Literally every time any dev has tried to make the genre more accessible which results in a ton of pushback.

>>715604424
People stopped whining about entry barriers for the most part. They successfully brought in a new audience.
Tekken 8 utterly failed.

>>715605015
You don't get "punished" you get a tradeoff.
Why the fuck would the person doing 1 button Supers not have a single drawback for doing so?
And why the FUCK would fans of a genre not complain about devs turning it into something else entirely?

>>715605015
>Literally every time any dev has tried to make the genre more accessible which results in a ton of pushback.
No one has a problem making the games more accessible until the methods used cause the skill ceiling to crash

>>715604935
I really don't agree with this logic completely in the case of things like fightcade or reviving delisted/dead server games or adding rollback still preserving stuff and gives you a chance to see some form of that transient experience (even if it's not the same as the heyday). Like single player and multiplayer mindsets are different so I get that, but that was why that The Crew game was the rallying point for it since it didn't have an excuse unlike fighting games where it's all about multiplayer interactions, that and these games at least have local so you're free to experience it how you want if you own the game.

>>715604340
To add to what >>715604414 said, the version that everyone uses for online play is the US release with game ID "GRSEAF." You also have to remember that the game takes the save file from host's emulator, so whatever key mappings you've set up inside the game (settings -> controls) won't be there if you're not the host. The key mappings inside the emulator still hold, so I recommend mapping some buttons to C-stick inside Dolphin to take advantage of the default SC2 control as much as possible and only remap one or two buttons inside the game each time. Here's an example. Then I just remap C-stick up from A+B+K to B+G inside the game each time.

>>715604536
Nice, I'm looking forward to it.

>>715555521 (OP)
Find a way for them to not be the same 30 second gameplay segment repeated an infinite amount of times. Don't think it would be a fighting game at that point.

>>715563726
This looks like the lamest shit ever

>>715605507
All video games are 30 second loops

>>715605559
Yes old fighters were filled with boring homework

>>715605015
Sounds like you're in your little club.
SF6 was very well received and it honed and made the 'new player' experience in completely unforeseen level. And everyone loved it. No one is saying Modern controls are bullshit, there are high level players in tournament scenes using that stuff.
So you have no evidence, only your own bias and bubble - you dont even know what the biggest fighting game of the era is doing.

>>715605010
Xianghua isn't complicated. She doesn't even have stances in this game while Nightmare has multiple. In words of one SC2 commentator: "You only need 5 moves to play a really oppressive Xianghua."

>>715605572
You can pretend that that's the case, but pretending like that won't make fightan more popular.

>>715605716
I don’t know what to tell you anon. All video games are 30 second loops. You just don’t like the fighting game loop. That’s fine, I don’t really care.

>>715605010
It’s SC2 anon it’s pretty easy overall

>>715604961
>>715605010
>>715605652
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bZxjiK9sKyk&t=2116

>>715595702
Autists really think that "bullying" people into liking what they like works. Even though they try it all the time and it never does.
You lame dork.

>>715605716
Not that guy but I don't want them to become more popular, I know that can only be achieved by further watering them down and turning them to shit.
SF6 is already more than I can stomach and that is more popular than actual Street Fighter games.

>>715596495
There are some big tournaments for those games, go and win them all if it's so easy. Should make a lot more money than whatever job you don't have.

>>715555521 (OP)
Non-spergs to hang out with as I play. Unfortunately every fgc event in my country is seemingly populated entirely by them, I have no interest in making friends with them.

recommend me a non Harim non Shonen anime that's actually good and not just fanservice the anime

Just bought some haute chinkbox I'm ready to become a pro player

>>715555521 (OP)
tfw no keijo video game

>>715606627
Sweet I just bought a cheapo Haute chinkbox too.
It’s pretty nice actually for the price.

>>715564287
You jest, but Velma's final attack was calling the police and a police vehicle took away the target character.
"Some people" complained that the police taking away LeBron was racist and the devs actually went and removed the ability.
https://www.pcgamer.com/multiversus-removes-the-police-from-velmas-special-move/

>>715606948
I fucking hate the modern world so goddamn much, holy shit...

>>715556256
So Xavier Pendragon from Eternal Champions?

>>715606948
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
This can't be fucking real

>>715595519
Not even that, it’s just other multiplayer genres let you win with systems that don’t work in fighters. Team based games or games with heavy rng are the biggest multiplayer genres, and some games like League literally rig matchmaking to keep you engaged. It’s not exactly that they want someone to blame their loss on, but the fact that in a fighting game there’s a much lower chance of you getting wins by pure luck. To my knowledge no 1v1 fps is popular, closest thing is battle royales and they have rng and too many players for it to not get random.

which fighting games have sneed

>>715606948
Makes sense. We all know Lebron would never be arrested.

>>715556256
In Xrd fucking Jacko let's you play fucking pikmen.

>>715555521 (OP)
I already do. Played MvC2 with a buddy last night.
Shit was cash.

>remove all stun effects
>make it more than 2v2
>make everyone have the same kit
>remove autistic inputs
>make it top down view
>remove all melee
i just fixed fighting games for you.

>>715600790
>nigger coping with the truth calling my post cope
Shut up, subhuman

>>715556116
Game was exceptionally well received on launch with a few minor gripes. Fixing those issues could have made it the cross-platform fighter of choice but a slew of retarded decisions killed it. Sad!

Cast of cute ungulate girls fighting on 4-hooves, excellent music and a solid fully finished story mode.

Would a proper F2P game even work?
I know you get f2p versions of full games like GBVS or DOA5 and then failed stuff like Tekken revolution but people swear on that shit being the "key" for his genre to move forward as seen with Multiversus and 2XKO discourse early in their promo cycle.
That said, fighting games are too fucking expensive with DLC characters you can't even fight against in training mode

>>715611651
Cost is never the issue
People are willing to buy in
Look at artifact. People blame the cost. But the playerbase showed up and cards were selling. Then everyone bailed once they realised it sucked
Or look at tarkov. 300 dollar edition that half the playerbase has.
If the game is good then people will buy in.

>>715556256
If you count several ghosts as magic

>check sys reqs for sf6, mk1 and tk8
>all of them over 100 gig
how? fucking how?

>>715612957
Remedial yolo mashing coders

>>715610987
>Oy w8 a frog n' toad minit, dis wog's talkin' Chess!

>>715555596
>>715556116
The issue is everyone makes smash clone just like smash instead of making it its own thing. Smash just means a platform fighter, we dont need crossover or silly looking characters. Just make an unique platform fighter.

>Buy fighting game that I like
>Dead even if new (Uni2)
>Can't pilot 95% of the roster
>Character I like is flawed
>Even manage to do the full combo trial for Akatsuki, which is something I can't accomplish in every or any other fighting game that has them.
>Feel awesome, hop online
>Assholes with 2000+ games exclusively
>Know I'll lose, but try anyway.
>15 second rounds of me making a mistake by pushing anything but alt+f4
>One and done'd.
I love this game exclusively but it's a no go. Granblue feels awful to play and was gifted to me, and the person who did has since apologized, since I'm the worst fightan players to exist and due to mental lacking, am easily put off when there's no true point to try (not a winner in life, never going to tournaments, etc.)

All it takes for someone to play fighting games nowadays is take one week to brush off the basic issues with motion inputs. You're not going to understand the game's core but like you're not going to understand the core of pretty much any game you've played for a week so get over it.

>>715614085
Your fault for playing under dogshit tuah

>>715555521 (OP)
Motivation
I think being good at fighting games is cool, even though I don't play them.

>>715612957
Pretty sure you can install SF6 without the singleplayer mode and then its like 30gb only?

>>715614085
The only thing that’s true about the game you said was most people on have at least 2000 games. Unless you’re on wifi it’s surprising you get one and doned often.

Test

I still struggle with clean inputs, at times I feel like I need to mash hard to confirm something but end up fucking up the string

>>715618507
Turn that mash into 'buffering'.

>>715618507
i had this problem too but it came from years of internalized trauma from playing older games on delay netcode. When the buffer window could change all the time, you were incentivized to mash the fuck out of cancels and links just to try and hit the window. Took me awhile to get over it and only press buttons when needed.

>>715577796
I was playing this one yesterday, really fun and the big titty nun is great

>>715591640
I have found that it's surprisingly hard sell because just looking clips doesn't really sell the comedy and hype of presenting something ridiculous on surfay (like a judo throw with a nipple) but taking it completely seriously in story.
I should binge Keijo again for it's so much fun and OP is banger.

>Love fighting games (watching)
>Hate fighting games (playing)
>Will never achieve cool stuff since everyone is fathoms better and it takes 1000 hours just to learn combos as someone who's autism is on racing game spectrum instead.
>Why play a genre where I'm short 55% of the game (winning, climbing ranks due to winning), but have to pay full price + dlc + tariff?
Simple as.

>>715617553
>Can only land 2 hits in a round, and I'm not expecting to land a hit so I can't convert into my day 1 loser does no damage combo string, since I'm not confident on landing a hit versus an expert.
>Severity in skill gap is so big I can't do too much.
>No rank points for newbie crushing and no experience gained since I'm a training dummy they react to
>Beat me up and leave.
First 25 matches over the course of a whole day were one and done. A Mika player finally gave me the time of day to fight me more than once. Total misery.

>we live in a timeline where keijo only got a single season, and the manga died shortly thereafter

>>715555521 (OP)
>What would take so (you) start play fighting games?
Cheaper and no DLC.

>>715619813
And you’re not on wifi or anything else that could make them not want to rematch? I was really bad when I started it and barely ever got one and doned, which was done more by players who are also new or bad.

wifi is good its not 2007 anymore unc were at 5g now

>>715620003
Don't remind me
>Xebec technically died twice

>>715555521 (OP)
i'm not good at them (you have to be able to read telegraphs and respond very quickly and i'm not good at that) and while there are some games i can be bad at and still enjoy (like i have fun cheating in some single player strategy games and playing them like sandboxes), fighting games aren't among them.

while i could probably improve with a lot of practice, there are games i can play right now with zero practice which would be as fun or more fun to me than fighting games would be even if i was good at them. so i'd rather just play those because i don't have to spend 300 hours gittin' gud.

>>715620524
Wired connection, 950down/850up internet. I'm just not an entertaining fight since I'm trash.

>>715620880
Radio waves will always be worse than electrical signals sent across a wire.

>>715557551
I loved SC more than any other fighting franchise, but I'm okay with it being dead with all the shit Bamco pulled with 4 and on.

>>715620919
This. I'm not psychic enough or autistic enough to read point 0000002 frames of an oki animation and go YEP THIS OPTION or pick the correct countermeasures every time or enough to win.
>Also applies to turn based Yomi Hustle
Just cannae do it.

>>715555521 (OP)
I am still mad we never got a Keijo game.

>>715620919
Not everything is supposed to be reactable, you learn your options in a situation and try to choose the best one. But it’s understandable if you don’t want to put the time in to practice or don’t find that fun.

When they become easy to pick up and play with everyone
Unfortunately it's autism central

>>715621309
and what are your wires made of hmm? if your copper is not coated with gold then means your cable is shit and inneficient and i wont play with you pleb

>>715622378
just play the newer games

>>715622378
>Fantasy Strike
>Dev is a huge jew and a terrible person and you could buy like 4 GGXXAC+Rs for the price of unlocking friendlies and local multiplayer
>Unfortunately, AC+R is not newbie or pick up and play friendly
What a shame.

>>715619468
>>Will never achieve cool stuff since everyone is fathoms better and it takes 1000 hours just to learn combos as someone who's autism is on racing game spectrum instead.
Go into Project Justice right now and hit buttons its easy as shit

>>715560569
non sequitur AND sophistry? impressive

>>715623009
Anon there are people that actually think Tokon is going to flop. There are so many fucking troglodytes in the FGC its not funny.
That being said Indivisible is absolutely going to crash and burn no matter how hard DOOD shills it just like MvCI did.

>>715556116
It's so fucking ironic that the closest Smash clone to becoming somewhat popular enough to be a rival got fucked cause some Chink thought people wanted characters that were getting movies over characters people liked. I remember when they canned Godzilla for Black Wonder Woman and a Banana

>>715624324
It's more deep than that-
It got fucked character wise because
>Tolkien estate got fucked, so Lord of the Rings characters
>Warner couldn't get Godzilla rights from Toho
>Warner was axing shows and cancelling projects left and right
>took half the life cycle to get Joker
>Rick and Morty come out around the time Just Roiland got into the abuse case
>Hitbox changes worked, but then they later made the game slower
>WB banned the use of mods
It was Tony's fault in many cases, but the main issues were corporate and higher up focused.

>>715622863
>Project justice
sucks how both CFC1 and 2 dropped the ball, especially no crossplay thanks to Sony

>>715622848
AC+R isn’t that bad for newbies if they use guides and don’t jump into the advanced stuff right away, in my opinion.

>>715625045
boomer groomers are so funny

The cast should be all girls and they should be drawn unrealistically sexy.

https://youtu.be/LEBOSUOLTXM

For my gf to not get a headache when I use my arcade stick lol

>>715623310
>Indivisible
That game already flopped

>>715625045
I think he meant you cant play your average fighting game lightly even if youre willing to learn the mechanics and tech

The only 2 fighting games I enjoyed in the last few years were Umineko Golden Fantasia and Melty Blood Type Lumina
The former nobody plays and the latter many people hate and it's pricey

>>715622848
What even happened with it

I bought uni2 long ago but forgot to even launch it until today, havent really played any other fighter other than soku and street fighter (which I hated), how similar is uni2 and what can I really expect from that game? I like punchalot characters like enkidu and mika

>>715556256
Patchouli hisoutensoku

>>715624670
Yep. I just like messing around with it on fightcade with my friends

>>715555521 (OP)
Much less strict input timing.
In some fighting games, I even struggle to do basic ABB combos, because the timing on the input is too hard. Never mind the more complex strings.

>>715585039
>second season
anon it did so poorly that the manga got cancelled without an ending.

It was pretty dogshit honestly.

>>715627985
stop mashing

>>715603765
>The fundamentals of fighting games translate pretty well from series to series(except Tekken which is mostly its own beast)
You mean "3D Fighters", not just Tekken. They're all different enough from 2D fighters to be basically their own subgenre.

>>715627985
Anon they’ve already made it looser than the average gachaslut. Any more and you’d be getting constant misinputs

>>715628174
I'm not mashing. I'm slow.

>>715604063
>The people who play single player games are the ones with issues. The way they engage with their games is truly disposable, which is why they're overwhelmingly the ones pushing SKG. They take away nothing from each game they consume, too obsessed with the concept of an end product that they fail to appreciate the value of the transient experiences along the way.
Incredible bait

>>715628459
start mashin

>>715626059
why is it called indivisible when you can still see it????

>add autocombos
>remove motion inputs
>add a neutral skip button
>make 99% of the characters ugly
>egregious way of handling DLC
If a game had all of these, it'd be an instant buy

>>715563726
Based +R poster. Now airthrow his backdash.

>>715628540
That's boring. I want to be in control of what I am doing.

what fighting game lets me piss my pants

>>715628947
granblue

>>715604063
I signed Stop Killing Games because Bamco made SoulCalibur: Unbreakable Soul require an online connection at all times and then took it down. Now I'll never find out what happens in it because no one bothered to record gameplay from it, even though I'd really want to because it's the only SC game where Cassandra is a major plot character. I hate corporate shills like you.

>>715628998
try to use your brain when pressing buttons slightly faster

>>715621545
I'm not good at reaction stuff, but most of the "unreactable" stuff isnt really as such as they're contextually telegraphed when you know your opponents options, and after two or three games with someone you can start safely guessing their style and intentions and see stuff coming before they press their buttons, its kind of half of the fun in a fighter to get to that meta level.
But on the other hand, I'm good at getting in people's heads so this could just be something extremely dependant on the person