Pretty easy to read their mind. This character was always pushed as the one to look out for, the big strong one alongside Radahn. Ever since the reveal trailer we knew she was super-duper strong. They gave away statues of her for the collector’s edition.

The entire game was designed to be obnoxious. The flanderization of the souls games needs to be studied, they were intentionally difficult to make for an uphill battle, but now they're just annoying to playthrough because the bosses slide around attacking like anime protagonists who unlocked their final form for the series finale.

>>715580718 (OP)
>souls
>hard
I platinumed necrodancer this boss was a piss easy cakewalk. Took 3 tries there's 0 hard souls games.

>>715580898
It could be tuned down a little but if you really think the shitty "i do a big, slow swing and then stand still for 5 seconds" fights of DS1 are better than the ones from elden ring there's something wrong with you.

>>715580969
cool thanks for the pointless input faggot

>>715581045
I didn't say any of that, but go off, chief.

>>715580969
Necrodancer is easy you just press the button at the right time

>tranny keyboard thread
>futa (troon) thread
>troonix thread
And now:
>elden troon lore thread
Seriously, when /v/ becomes trannies lair?

>>715581129
You were complaining about modern boss design while lamenting the series' decline in this regard. That would imply that you favor the slower, simpler design of bosses from the early games.
This is a very simple line of reasoning.

>>715581217
when elden ring released, it succumbed the board to absolute faggotry by shit game design. elden ring is like the ipa of beers, its dogshit and tastes like absolute shit but if you dont like it, you're a bitch for not liking it so everyone pretends its good because nobody wants to call it for what it is. SHIT

>equip fist weapon
>use charged r2 exclusively
>light roll only
>ezpz

Or just bleed frost spam

when will you guys grow up and realize hating on popular stuff does not make you cool

>>715581514
when will you grow up and realize youre a faggot and should kill yourself because nobody cares

>>715580969
Wrong. You got ribboned by waterfowl 26 times and then ragequit when she came bsck for round 2 and killed you with aeonia. That doesn't make you bad, it's designed to be that way until you rigorously study her attacks. Lying about it is pretty cringe though.

>>715580718 (OP)
She's a Sekiro boss you're supposed to actually fight back and interrupt instead of being a passive little bitch.
picrel is pretty dumb though

>>715581217
>Everything is tranny!
Obsessed. Methinks you're the one "born in the wrong body"
In b4:
>b-but futa!
Futa are girls with dicks, not transsexual

>>715581318
I wasn't complaining, I was criticizing, I still think Elden Ring is a good game, it's just not fun to play compared to the previous games because of how ridiculous they went with the boss fights.

>>715581591
No I used mimic tear and moonveil.

>>715581370
>elden ring is like ipa
Going to have to remember that one, thanks

>>715581743
Then you got fucked even faster because a) you're a noob and b) malenia heals at twice the rate when smacking both you and your mimic.

This guy is significantly harder than any of your roll slop bosses

>>715581913
Nope. First try I got killed by the waterfowl, 2nd I almost did too but reached phase 2 before dying to it, then I just ran away from it third time and got to phase 2. I put down a my ground sigil and used a Kamehameha. She almost died, queued the waterfowl, and I jump attacked her. Win.

Mages actually have the easiest strategy against her
>mimic
>burn o flame
>perma stunned

This motherfucker isn't even hard, but fucking hell fighting him is such a tedious drag.
Worst boss in the game by far.

>>715582053
>I jump attacked her
You didn't beat the game

>>715581318
why couldn't it be that he thinks players should be as fast as the bosses? you made the leap in logic, not him

>>715582113
You’re right because she’s an optional boss.

>>715580718 (OP)
>Use Mimic Tear
>Stun lock her against a wall with our katanas
>Beat her in 5 seconds
Not a single care in the world. I beat her legitimately and you can be mad that you spent 12 hours trying to be her solo or whatever.

>>715580718 (OP)
Malenia is legitimately not even hard, I've beaten her several times at RL1 with no summons.

>>715580718 (OP)
Literally just a knowledge check to see if players are actually using status buildups, no wonder most "souls vets" and dodge spammers got filtered hard by her.

>>715581146
Every game is press the right button at the right time

>>715582401
Not pokemon.

>>715581217
I too noticed this

>>715582459
Yeah? You can press the wrong buttons at the wrong times in Pokemon and still win? Sounds like a shit game.

I just cheese’d it.

Dodged everything on phase one, tanky clone summon for second phase to aggro kite attacks, blood and rot spam. Easy(ish) win.

There's unironically no bad bosses in elden ring. People just get filtered because they're incapable of changing playstyles. If they can't beat every boss easily by roll spamming with light armor and no shield, ranged attack, or status effect usage then it's shit.
It's hilarious how soulslop fans whined about sekiro having no build variety but all they ever want to do is play 1 way.

>>715582556
Only game you can’t do that in is Kaizo Mario.

>>715582708
No I think the Ancient Dragons are actually bad fights and nobody is excited to fight an Ancient Dragon. They put ancient dragons before actually good dragon bosses to surpass your expectations.

>>715582708
>There's unironically no bad bosses in elden ring
>le 360 no scope tracking bosses that jump in the sky every 5 seconds and make the shitty camera spaz out
Yah, sure. The worst boss was the snake in the DLC. Every time it jumped into the air and zoomed towards me, it fucked up my camera

>>715580718 (OP)
ITT DS1 boomers unwilling to adapt how they fight from "circle strafe behind it" in order to beat a totally doable boss

>>715582708
Game sucks, deal with it, you fucking nerd.

>>715582708
Disingenuous retard, the subhumans that losers that cheese everything ARE the ones that whine about bosses when their cheese fails. The guy playing the way you described is doing it because he actually likes souls games and doesn't want to win too easily.

>>715582995
>ITP ER boomer unwilling to adapt how they fight from spam rolling in order to beat a totally doable boss

>>715581370
as somebody who partakes of both these things, it's totally different
i just drink ipa because that's what my dad drinks and I don't care enough about beer to develop my own taste

whereas i play elden ring because i invested enough time into vidya to develop my own taste, which then ossified some time around 2010 and now i am unable to enjoy anything that isn't similar to the stuff i liked back then so i have to enjoy what i get no matter how dogshit it is and i cope by telling /v/ they're shitters for complaining about waterfowl.

>>715583078
Did you actually think this was a good comeback? ER gives you multiple strategies outside of rollspam, which apparently is the only one souls boomers can conceive of

>Is the easiest and most uninspired final boss in your path
Teh Joker serial killer was a thousand times harder.

>>715580718 (OP)
The instakill move(s) and the 2 massive health bars were already annoying time-wasting bullshit but the regenerating health was 1 step too far. This boss is literally not worth anybody's time unless you are a streamer getting donations while having your time wasted

>>715582996
It's YOU who sucks, therefore you need to GET GOOD!

DEAL WITH IT, you butt hurt moron!

The Elden Ring is an objectively perfect masterpiece just like all of the other video games that the FromSoftware created!

>>715583175
the fact you responded tells me everything, if you didn't give a shit, you wouldve let it go, instead I FUCKED your fragile ego

>>715580969
>necrodancer
>hard

>>715583212
No Déraciné was pretty bad. No I'm not ESL, I copy-pasted that from google.

>>715583246
This is below lazyposting; you're not even trying

>>715583186
He's a warmup before Nameless Puppet, no?

>>715583324
>gets raped
>"i wasn't raped, i pretending to be retarded"
classic

>>715582882
You mean romina? centipede bitch? I just fought her and I had to lock on every time she went in the air or did her spinny shit because I absolutely could not track her with the camera otherwise.

>>715583382
No he’s talking about Messmer. He said snake.

>>715580969
>uses summons
>hurrr its easy

>>715583382
Divine Beast Dancing Lion. fucked my camera up every time

>>715580898
It's not the bosses exactly, it's the tools they give the Player which resulted in needing to change the bosses to remain challenging.
In DS1 and DS2 the roll is more of a last ditch effort to escape danger (in DS2 especially given how terrible the roll is, the stamina penalty etc). In BB and DS3 they wanted the game to be faster, so the roll/dodge became quicker, cost less stamina, and was the first line of defence. Of course you couldn't have DS1 and DS2 bosses with Players having a roll that good, so they sped the bosses up and made them more aggressive, starting implementing more AoE and input reading to roll-catch and estus-catch.
ER just went up another notch, adding insane 20-move strings, laser-targeted tracking, and delayed attacks.
If the roll had stayed like it was in DS1 and DS2, I think we wouldn't have seen the boss evolution in DS3 and ER. But Miyazaki really liked BB and I guess he wanted to port that playstyle into his Souls games.

>>715582089
>>mimic
ngl kinda painful to be a soulsfag and see all the secondaries with their stupid opinions talk about souls difficulty

>>715583474
>Divine Beast Dancing Lion
The only skill oriented boss in the entirety ER counting the DLC, you can see what's coming waaaay before the boss does mechanics

>>715580898
I think a lot of it came down to spending 80% of dev time making the pointlessly huge open world. They didn't bother to balance or make anything that made sense.
Malenia is clearly supposed to be the 'super duper secret hard boss' like Alonne or whatever, but they expected everyone to be spamming invuln/dash weapon arts and didn't account for anything else

>>715580718 (OP)
I've played demon souls, ds1, ds2, ds3, elden ring and sekiro for hundreds of hours and i can say: it's shit. every game is the same, the mechanics are the same, it just never changes. i feel ashamed for playing it for so long without realizing it

>>715582708
I don't like Fire Giant.
Also this >>715582870

>>715583641
Bullshit. This board went fucking WILD when Demon's Souls was released on the PS3, kill yourself, redditor.

>>715580898
you would be crying if elden ring was as easy as demon's souls
faggot

>>715582708
>hilarious how soulslop fans whined about sekiro having no build variety
See I feel the focus of Sekiro was its strength. I liked only having to worry about my prosthetic loadouts and skills. I want to see more of that in their next game. Gimme a sword and shield and that's it.

>>715583718
I played both at launch. Demon's Souls was substantially harder because no game like it came beforehand. Sorry my opinion made you so irrationally upset.

This guy

>>715583712
its the same as any other slopsouls, just more clunky

>>715583803
you are so fucking stupid

>>715583927
Well, that was an easy concession. How embarrassing.

Sekiro, DS1, Bloodborne and arguably DeS were the peak of FromSlop stuff. Everything else is just meh. DS2 gets an honorable mention because Majula has nice music

>>715580718 (OP)
>"Hey should we take advantage of the fact we're remaking this game to fix our absolute ass final boss everyone always complains about as the only outright BAD thing in the game?"
>"Nah"
L O O K S L I K E A H O M I N G A T T A C K!

>>715583986
wtf those are giant stompers are those real??

>>715583956
not gonna argue with a dumbass that thinks demon's dogshit is hard
>but I was new!!
mario was also hard when you were new to video games

>>715582708
i don't care for the guys with 2000 arms that go hyperschizo on you, and i don't care for the giant in snowland

>>715584018
Thank god I no-hit this thing first try for that achievement.
Silver's fight in this game is bad, too. It broke so many times for me, I even got ran over by the ball and it didn't register so it went ahead of me and it despawned but I couldn't approach Silver at all. Thankfully Shadow Gens had amazing boss.

>>715583986
>every game but ds3 is good
agree

>>715583986
I think everyone who played the games as they came out, or at least in order, holds this opinion.

The only people who give a fuck about 2, 3, or ER are people who picked up the series later down the line.

>>715584064
I got you by the balls because you're mad.

>>715584064
Mario 1 is harder than DeS and DS1 and DS3 tho

>>715584136
don't tease me you better swallow my load slut

>>715584185
.

>>715584185

>>715584185
>,

>>715581591
Not him, but I took 3 tries.
Killed her with lightning bolts.
Turns out she doesn't dodge that one. It was my staple spell, and I didn't even realize it was an exploit.

>>715584185
youre a faggot dude shitting up a thread for no reason

>>715584543
your resistance only makes my penis harder

>>715584543
oh no people won't be able to regurgitate the same complaints about soulslop over and over how horrible

>>715584512
There is no exploits in this game, retard. Break the fuck out of it, it's intentionally unfair, it's like Megaman. The first Megaman is brutally difficult but it gives you the means to easily beat the game, don't be a dumb cunt and say "HURRR I WONT BEAT THE GAME IF I USE WHAT THE DEVELOPERS INTENDED"

>>715584607
>>715584645
if you're gonna get irrationally assravaged, at least use the 30 second post timer to your advantage

>>715584760
fuck off newfag

>>715584794
>h-huh h-how d-d-d-d-did he know ;-;
mad

I used to like souls because it was fantasy but grounded. Enemy has a big sword? It feels like a big sword. It has weight. The enemy drags it behind them because it's so heavy. Now everything is anime and "epic."

>>715581591
>rigorously study her attacks
Or you know, learn that shields exist.

;

>>715584794
>newfag
It's 2025, the second you say this, man. That screams insecurity, because nobody here cares about newfags, that was a thing 20 years ago, not anymore.

>>715584663
No, I mean, I'm pretty sure her not dodging lightning bolt is a bug. That's what I mean. Exploit by means of unintended game behavior. The fact I projectile camped her to death should have elucidated that fact.
I have no problem cheesing bosses. I did Consort Radahn first try by rotting him, turning 360 degrees, and walking away until he died, while I laughed at Miquella for rotting his boyfriend again, and generally spent my entire first rodeo of the DLC asking the poignant question: How well equipped is this DLC to handle me pressing L2 with the Holy Relic Sword until everything is dead? The answer is: Not very.

>>715585089
hit a nerve huh kiddo

The entire fight is pure trial and error and REQUIRES a guide as you have no chance otherwise, and even with a guide doing everything right you can still get fucked with a bad status effect or death.
Terrible fucking boss.

>>715586009
Most SMT bosses are like this except a lot are less RNG.

>>715583843
They were thinking "let's make pure unfiltered kino in video game form"

>>715584943
>turtle up with a shield
>she life-steals through it anyway even if you block
you're just letting her heal herself for free

>>715583843
Every time I hear the opening stings of that fight I flinch like a beaten stepchild

>>715586896
So hit her twice

dodge for 10 seconds and then do one attack and then dodge again isn't good game design

stop bumping your dogshit thread

>>715587825
point is you're better off just two-handing and being aggressive with her because she staggers really easily
using a shield is just making the fight harder on yourself

>>715588115
lol mad fromdrone

>>715588142
Friend of mine pointed out that the Lion's Claw ash of war just flattens her every time. If she ever gets uppity or tries to pull off a gay-ass anime attack, just lion's claw her with a great weapon.

>>715588229
*dodge rolls your post and fucks your throat*

>>715580718 (OP)
>raises greatshield
>spams blood tax
GG EZ NO RE

>>715588315
*Stones you to death for being gay*

>>715588489
*dodges your stones "lol noob" and cums down your throat*

>>715584205
>>715584361
>>715584427
Stupid butt hurt same fag! :3

>>715588315
>>715588489
>>715588576
You butt hurt boys are so cute and silly! :3

This is the gayest thread and that includes the gay threads on /gif

>>715588142
Nah
Guard Counters fuck her ass raw. Like they do everything else in the game.

>>715588857
*cums down your throat*
what now /gif/ bbc boy

>>715588660
Josh

>>715588985
What do you mean by "Josh"? :c

>>715588142
No because guard counters do ridiculous poise damage + she only has 80 stance. Wakeup charged R2 + 1/2 guard counter depending on weapon = riposte.

>>715588014
"dodge for 10 seconds" isnt "game design" it is user error.

>>715588142
Anon
It sounds like you have never seen the unholy fuck that guard counters do in this game.
Guard Counters are the single most disgusting mechanic added to Elden Ring, they're so obscenely powerful. I'd say it's not funny, but staggering bosses in two fucking hits is always hilarious.

>>715580718 (OP)
Everdark Adel, absolutely 0 playtesting done

>>715580718 (OP)
Malenia was one of the biggest overreactions to a part of a game I've ever seen. She genuinely isn't hard at all, out of elden rings entire boss lineup she's easily one of the most fair and she has some of the easiest counterplay in the game.

I'm like 90% sure the only reason she got her reputation (and for that matter the whole game post mountaintop of the giants) is because retards were going in butt naked with radagons soreseal thinking damage negation was as pointless as it was in DS3.

>>715580718 (OP)
I lost interest in fromsoft games when they decided that they would prioritize “difficulty” over game design. I.e, making every single boss an anime edgelord straight out of something like solo leveling with 300 hit combo AOE attacks with .5 seconds of downtime between attacks complete with a health bar that takes 30 minutes to whittle down. You spend 95% of boss fights dodging now.
Bloodborne was great because they have you the mobility and speed to match the enemies and actually rewarded you for being aggressive.


I miss dark souls 1 so much bros. They couldnt they just let us run around with heavy armor and giant weapons, they had to design every boss to appeal to magic and dex fags

Even journalists couldn't beat him when the demo came out and they literally play games for a living

FUCK you, capcom, god damn

>>715590517
>S ranked doggo after maybe 3 attempts
>completely forgot how to parry after that somehow
wtf is wrong with me

nothing personal malenia

>>715590458
>You spend 95% of boss fights dodging now.
Then why are you trying to dodge everything?

>>715580718 (OP)
She's literally the only good boss in the game. Shitty bosses are what keep me from liking elden ring. It's just giant creatures that can apparently move at the speed of light

>>715591161
skissue

>>715580718 (OP)
It's pretty clear to see they were thinking the cancelled Sekiro DLC needed a boss that could regenerate its vitality in order to provide a steep challenge that could only be surmounted with consistent deflects and aggression. Too bad they ended up reusing it in a game that doesn't mechanically work that way at all.

while malenia was really hard my first time playing the game, maliketh has been consistently troublesome each of my pt while malenia is a push over once i figured her out

>>715591346
No that's a lie since 1.0 waterfowl does not look like that and the current version was added long after sekiro was done.

>>715591519
Nothing I said has any bearing on which version of floating passage they ended up settling on.

>>715591447
yeah that son of a bitch definitely gave me a harder time
Malenia took more tries, but it's as you said, once you understand her fight you know you can do again
With Maliketh I beat him in less tries, but it always feels like it's just dependent on me getting lucky during his frantic final attacks

>>715580718 (OP)
>maybe after 5 whole games of preparation they'll be okay with something a little difficult for once

>>715582109
>game with bosses that rewards you for blocking/deflecting instead of dodging
>put a boss that's dodge oriented so late into the game
actually devilish

>>715583508
>the roll is a last ditch in 1 and 2
lol, kek even

you do know the i in iframes stands for INVINCIBLE right.

ds3s dogshit design comes from the fact that its a romhack of bloodebornes enemies and design, nothing to do with ds1 or 2s design.
3 is also peak ITS SO HARD XD which is why the dlc bosses have attacks that you have to dodge 8 times in a row to do 1 r1.

>>715584205
>>715584361
>>715584427
It's too late to back out when you're already caressing his nuts, swallow his cum.

>>715593664
Shields and movement in tandem are far and away the best defensive choice in Demon's, DS1, and DS2. Bloodborne was the one that started this with its weird obsession with player aggression and nerfed shields into the ground to facilitate this (hilariously, the plank is STILL ludicrously good in Bloodborne). This translated into Dark Souls 3 being THE rollslop game, since it was built on "shield bad" bones.
Elden Ring buffed shields into the stratosphere again, because they were "bad" in DS3 (they were still good), making them again, the best choice.

>crying about Malenia
>in 2025
You dumbasses know a literal fish has beaten all of the bosses you're complaining about, right?

>>715584183
This.

>>715593920
yeah I'm pretty sure I just used that golden triangle-shaped shield and the halberd you get from the Tree Sentinel
for the entire game

Ursula and Captain Hook in Kingdom Hearts 1

>complaining about her when she only has one cheap move with clear counter play
Meanwhile Radahn just cheats you in the 2nd phase and doesn't let you play

>>715580718 (OP)
ER bosses are cinematic fights first and gameplay experiences second, it's clear the focus prioritizes on showcasing their cool gay little dance as youtube clickbait

>>715591409
Filtered me more because i started playing in BL and it took them three years to make playing old raids something worth a damn.

>>715581318
You're dumb sorry

>>715583186
I had more trouble with this asshole(pic related) and walker of illusions than I did with Manus or even Nameless. Also I hate we didnt get the mace he wields but thats sort of a recurrent thing with boss weapons on LoP.

>>715580898
Souls games remind me of old arcade games where the boss is scripted to kick your ass 9 times out of 10 no matter what you do, and then all of a sudden it becomes a breeze to kill.

>>715580718 (OP)
she was fine except for waterfowl, i never learned how to dodge that if she does it point blank.
>dude you're supposed to lock off and move this very specific way
I don't think there's a more counterintuitive attack in the series

>>715580718 (OP)
Who wins? A demi-goddess or a freezing pot?

>Be faith caster
>Use my incredible IQ to pick out the spell that deals the most damage to the boss
>Reassign talismans and spam it
gg ez

>>715580718 (OP)
I beat her at like 3rd attempt with summoning 2 other players

>>715580718 (OP)
killed 4th try with my giant ultragreatsword that had lifesteal, I simply tanked her and outdamaged her, unfortunately I couldn't outlifelink her.
This applied to the first phase, in the second one just roll under as always.
3/10 didn't even memorize her name, she always says it or something, but I don't remember the name of bosses I kill so easily.

>>715598967
>Can't get Veronique's giant hammer
It's not fucking fair

>A FUCKING BALL
>programmed to always act before you
>heals itself for 8k periodically so it's impossible if you're not grinding
>randomly inflicts status effects
>have to do chocobo hot and cold for hours and find it in a random part of the world just to access
>have to subject yourself to even more tedium if you want to hit it with normal attacks or shadow magic
And the battle is a joke if you know to bring Steiner because you can spam stock break. This has to be the worst FF superboss.

>>715599272
>Using video games mechanics to win the video game

You didn't win the game

>>715599757
Same but with the BRB elder brother's greatsword , wtf where they thinking? Frozen feast but no mega buster sword? its so stupid

>>715582708
the game is designed around spirit ashes. in solo play there are some bosses that are bad. don't tell me you had fun soloing the crucible knight. fucker has zero openings, he's designed to be attacked in the back when he's distracted. it's not entirely the game's fault but it is what it is.

>>715581370
Utterly mindbroken fromsoft is mainstream now.

Trying to pretend one of the best games of the decade is shit just because a few normies played it

Its sad how miserable your life is

>>715580718 (OP)
Git gud

>finally beat legendary buckbreaking Malenia
>expected trash fight because of /v/ threads
>it's actual 10/10 best Souls boss
>even more kino in 1.0

Why do people hate her again? She has no poise and this is big. It allow you to play aggressive. The only bullshit is kick cancel in second phase. That's it. Meanwhile entire DLC is filed with dogshit bosses

>>715580718 (OP)
yeah Artorias sucked.
he should've been a summon.

>>715582870
>Ancient Dragon
Such a waste for a good design, seriously what the hell were they thinking?
>THAT Ancient dragon boss fight before Bayle in SoTE
I think it's safe everyone hated that one especially.

>>715602070
People hate her because she's the first boss you had to use some skill to beat.

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about real bullshit fights like the one against 3 Crystalians or the 2 Crucible Knights is beyond me.

Or how the big tree guys give like 90k souls while Rune Bears don't give even 10k.

>>715580718 (OP)
Radhan 2 was far worse

>>715584018
Great design though.

>>715582109
I like him. Dual Ape is bad tho.

>>715582708
>the games attach a giant resource costs to switching armanents
>rare consumable to respect
JuSt UsE a DifFerEnT bUiLd BrO
Is boss requires switching in a game that punishes switching then the boss is shit for the game it is in, logic 101

>>715603670
>the games attach a giant resource costs to switching armanents
No you don't need everything at +25 to do decent damage and Malenia is an endgame boss.
>rare consumable to respect
That's what stat boosting talismans, helms, physic tears and goddricks great rune are for.

>>715580718 (OP)
the reveal that "she" was actually a hermaphrodite was pretty well done though

L2 - charged R2 - R2 - Crit - wait until she places a foot on the ground - L2 - repeat

>>715604003
>you don't need everything to be at +25
Bro are you for real rn.
>stat boosting
Wow, surely +2 str for -1/4 of defence is a worthy trade

>>715604303
You can do it all at +0.
Just get good and use the infusions like here >>715604262

>>715604303
>Bro are you for real rn.
Yes. You're a little sissy who can't play ER unless you have a +25 weapons, 14 +12 flasks and all 50 skibidi blessings.

>>715586453
only superbosses like Satan and the Demifiend battles are basically RNG trash that require guides
Took me by surprise how even in VV unless you do some cheesy ass 1 turn kill strat the battle will and can still be RNG based despite maxxed stats etc.

>>715591114
The only way of not doing that is either through Endure spam or Shields, and frankly both are miles better than Dodge anyways
Parry is worthless, bosses are literally schizo tier when it comes to what moves you can actually parry

>>715580898
This. It's not fun watching a boss fly around the arena to do a 90 second attack animation with particle effects out the ass before you even get an opportunity to dodge and counterattack. Literal actual artificial difficulty because most of your time is wasted waiting for the boss to finish their animations rather than engaging with the boss and learning their patterns.

>>715604671
>Parry is worthless, bosses are literally schizo tier when it comes to what moves you can actually parry
No that sounds what like a shitter who can't parry would say.

>>715604774
It is worthless when you can just Endure or Block everything instead of having to figure out which of their flashy anime movies are parriable because the game can't be consistent with it, just like with Jump

>>715604859
No the payoff is better. You don't have to pick one or the other I'm capable of using deflect, parry, jump and roll to respond to different attacks.

>>715580718 (OP)
They were thinking of making a fun boss that for once actually counters the player and must be properly countered
Of course this filtered shitters

>>715583508
>In DS1 and DS2 the roll is more of a last ditch effort to escape danger
no it isn't, what kind of fucktarded revisionism is this

>>715580718 (OP)
Optional super boss for eng game sweats
it's a perfectly good boss for that reason. The endless no hit videos prove its possible

>>715604262
>Pre-patch that fixed her stagger
>Using the pot exploit
Ydbtg

>>715593920
shields have only been better than rolling if you dont know the attack

t.bonewheel skeles

>>715605382
>shields have only been better than rolling if you dont know the attack
Wrong

>>715583718
imo DeS is much harder than onion ring because i refuse to farm herbs. ER has some mega bs later on but so does DeS, you also get like no level ups and have to beat various zones to even start upgrading unlike in laters souls where you can just run to half the upgrade mats.

>>715605457
i accept your concession

>>715605457

>>715582109
I actually like it because of how different is compared to other bosses.
>all bosses are focused on parrying
>put one thats focused on dodging into really late game
really catches you off guard but then again its like nothing you've fought before so why wouldnt it behave differently?
also if you did all the steps you know who it is, whats happened to him, and what you must do, no matter what

That said, I absolutely cheesed it on my 1st playthrough.

>>715605639
Wow that 500 Endurance is a totally legit and viable build that will certainly work very well

>>715596234
>ER bosses are cinematic fights first and gameplay experiences second
But Malenia is one of the best boss fights ever made?
How many games have bosses that are more agile and squishy than the player and still competent instead of being passive poise monsters?
>it's clear the focus prioritizes on showcasing their cool gay little dance
Oh so you got filtered

>>715582385
No, she checks if the player buffers more inputs and button mashes and punishes button mashers instantly
All her moves are avoidable so there's no status to care for

>>715606072
>is a totally legit and viable build
Yes?

>>715606309
Yes, I'm sure having no vigor will work well the moment any boss every slightly dead angles your shield or doesn't have a 10 seconds phase transition and actually uses her aoe

>>715606392
Yes. The game is 3 years old, man. Everything was already solved. And malenia_shield_only.webm broke /v/.

>>715580718 (OP)
Arrived in the shadow keep. I've heard that Radahn (yeah, it was spoiled for me) was absurdly hard but they patched him. Will he still be a bitch to fight or is he now a relatively fair boss?

>>715580718 (OP)
Malenia just hard countered rollfags.
And for some reason that 98% of the playerbase.

>>715580718 (OP)
I just suit up in the heaviest armor possible and smack her silly with wild strikes on a cold infused great stars.

>>715608630
>rolling in a game where you roll
wat da

>>715609505
Deciding to only roll is just putting a limit on yourself.

>>715590517
>Even journalists couldn't beat him when the demo came out and they literally play games for a living
lmao is this true, if journos were actually calling this hard when dsp beat it by just spamming ninja run attacks and not understanding any of the mechanics i'd clap

>>715580718 (OP)
Why do half the deviants have better slash hitzones on their head instead of impact? Does Itchynose just hate hammer?

>>715584663
>megaman
>unfair
Imagine being this bad at videogames

>>715582109
I did the glitch that makes him fall off the edge. best boss in the game

>>715581045
>i do a big, slow swing and then stand still for 5 seconds
this would unironically harder to dodge as it's an ambiguous startup and fucks over those who roll early.

>>715580718 (OP)
>We need to make her harder even though she have a 2ndhpbar with rot to counteru shierds so give her rice stear everytime she hits her katana at something sorid

>>715582030

Its just lingering will 2.0 with weapon steal bullshit

>>715583212
true

>>715580898
>flanderization
TvTropes meme

>>715602507
they designed to pest threads their heads before getting the antidragon ash katana

>>715582323
Yea pretty much, me and my mimic raped this cunt with bleed kek. Easy as fuck fight.

>>715580718 (OP)
The biggest asspull is that she can heal on hit, this part pisses me off more than waterfowl or hyper armor move spam. It just doesn't belong as part of her kit, lore or mechanics wise.

>>715580718 (OP)

>>715583986
im the original catwalker

I wouldn't mind the boss design if 99% of ashes of war weren't variations of "stand still for 3 seconds while doing a big flashy attack that actually doesn't do that much damage" and the other 1% weren't "instant speed abusable easy damage spam". Designing ashes of war in a way that makes them part of a more customizable moveset from the player would have been great, and would have made for a good rpg experience, sadly elden ring is only interested in doing the bare minimum.

>>715612891
But anon, her spirit of resistance

By the time I actually got to her I was so burned out on rhe game in grneral that I just summoned two goons to beat her to a pulp for me.

>>715589440
it's game design when the strings are 10 hit long

>>715581217
SAARS THE TRANNIES SAAR

>DS3 was a failure in the sense that everyone rollspammed
>Miya: We will design bosses to encourage using shields, hyperarmor and positioning to defend yourself, rollspamming looks stupid
>ER launches, everyone keeps rollspamming through delayed attacks and infinite combos
lol

>>715583718
The true Demons' Souls starts on NG+. Of the few fromdrones that did play it, most have only beaten base NG, which is just the tutorial.

>>715584183
Especially true if you refuse to grind one ups and avoid using warp zones, and don't look up the hidden power up locations from the wiki.

>>715582109
Fuck this assholes gigantic healthpool, made the Shura gauntlet absolutely miserable, and fuck his double fireball attack in particular, just layers more punishment on you if you ever aren't glued to him during the fight

>>715586896
>Turtle poke with bleed spear (she is super weak to bleed)
Now you are outdamaging her healing.

>>715619351
>the true game starts when you play the padding mechanic that only changes some small parts of the game
sorry but no thanks

>>715619351
The true DS2 Scholar of the first sneed experience starts on NG+ with Champions covenant, the base game is just the tutorial

>>715583186
i unironically thought this was the best boss in the game

>>715605639
Holy shit, turtle poking in Elden Ring is so broken. In Demons' Souls, You would run out of stamina after 5-6 pokes, even with 40 END. In DS1 it would be 4-5 pokes (because they made turtle poking cost way more stamina than normal attacks).

>>715582109
Lots of health, and he keeps disengaging, but once you learn to bait his ranged attacks instead of running into them, he becomes a very long cakewalk.

>>715580718 (OP)
She’s not that hard.

>>715580718 (OP)
Jingu from Yakuza
>have to fight through 9900 guys with guns, grenades knives
>fight him and his two bodyguards who shoot you and toss grenades at you while he laughs at you
>beat them both
>they stand back up
if you dont cheese the fight with tiger drop you're gonna fucking suffer

>>715582708
Fire Giant is a bad boss, he rolls too often and too far for it to be anything other than a fucking goose chase the entire time.

>>715600980
holy mother of skill issue, lmfao.

>>715580718 (OP)
Malenia is a really good boss once you get the hang of it.

Radahn is inexcusably bad, even once you learn him. There is nothing good about Radahn

>>715583641
Sekiro is VERY different from the rest of the games to the point that I don't even know why they're mentioned in the same breath so often outside of being made by the same studio.

>>715580718 (OP)
>telefrags you

>>715580898
>playerbase got better
>uhm why do these game get harder

AARFY from Brigand: Oaxaca. Did him twice and it was some of the most bitch shit the first time due to there being potentially infinitely summonable enemies who confuse you, a confusing layout and insane fog, second time i discovered that you can throw some grenades down and deal with him that way. Still a fun game overall, though.

I've beaten this nigga 4x and I still refuse to believe he exists

>>715623192
Radahn 2.0 (pre-nerf phase 2) is unironically my favourite boss.

>>715580718 (OP)
there are few bosses I've beaten in a more mindless way than this. I just spammed my special art for phase 1 stunlocking her then phase 2 I just need to avoid one attack and beam her while shes just sitting on her ass. only easier fights were ones where I just needed to do the second part

>>715580718 (OP)
My first playthrough of this game was kino, but now that I know how to squeeze extra damage out of whatever weapon I'm using, bosses die extremely fast. I'm not super good at Radagon for example, but I can kill him in less than 20 seconds

the fact that pretty much everyone hated valiant gargoyles and dragons and deathrite birds in the base game and they added a BUNCH of them in nightreign boggles my mind
the gargoyled are especially obnoxious with their spinning around and jumping around the arena