Thread 715585987

How did square enix fuck the remake so badly? On paper it should have been a rock solid plan. Remake the old classic with better visuals and perhaps add some extra content, patch some plot holes and that's it.

It's a sequel, not a remake.

muh reelism muh movies

Greed

square-enix has never made a good game
god I miss squaresoft

>>715585987 (OP)
All they had to do was to do a 1 to 1 remake of the original with modern technology, and yes, by 1 to 1 I mean turn based and pre-rendered backgrounds with an isometric camera, pretty sure a base PS4 can pull 4K pre-rendered backgrounds.
Just add voice acting for the normafags that can't read and done.

>>715585987 (OP)
I loved Remake and Rebirth. Then again, I generally disregard /v/'s recommendations and don't really take anything seriously that posted here. At least this place is good for a laugh.

>>715585987 (OP)
Hacks thinking they could do better than the original

>>715586417
If you have fixed camera angles, you can do very extreme rendering optimizations (pre-compute all the culling, optimal draw order etc), which would allow very high quality backgrounds without them being pre-rendered.

>>715585987 (OP)
I don't like how they keep rubbing sephiroth onto your face in the remakes-

>Have 20 years to rewrite the Black Materia so it's not a stupid plot convenience macguffin
>Make it even dumber and more nonsensical
These niggas already had dementia in '96 when they wrote this piece of shit. Why is Japan so fucking obsessed with honor in business that they can't look a retard in the eye and tell him he's lost his spark (if he ever had it at all) and designate somebody with two or, God willing, even three braincells to direct and write their games?
Nevermind the issue of the gameplay and music being fucking atrocious. Eight fucking hours of score for a 20 hour walking simulator and the only worthwhile track is an oc donut steel joke boss's theme? Holy Christ.
Yes, I listened to all eight hours of it. It's terrible.

>>715585987 (OP)
>another tranny discord thread
Rebirth is one of the best games ever made and it will become the best trilogy of all time.

>>715586324
>squaresoft has made a good game

Reminder that this creepy fuck probably goes to seedy stores in Japan and fucks prostitutes. He actually wrote the honey bee inn part in original FF7 and it was much more spicy originally, Tifa was a prostitute working there, and a guy can give you Marlene's panties.

>>715586867
they actually did multiple ones at that

We have like 20 threads on this very topic, and I've typed out giant replies but I'll hti the big ones:

1. 10 years too late. This would be ideal for PS4 era.
2. They stretched it out to 3 games and 9 years.
3. The games have tons of padding.
4. Strange changes, like time ghsots or something. Ruins iconic scenes.
5. Decides to mindlessly copy ubisoft and shit, robbing it of any identity.

You can't get exicted for "oh this is like half of a disc of a game I liked 30 years ago".

>>715586830
Anon, (you) are going against the grain here!
Actually playing games and enjoying them?! Oh no no no......
(You) are supposed to follow these rules:
-Old le Good, New le Bad
-I post on /v/ but don't play gaymes; I'm so ironic right guyz?!
-Only negative sentiments allowed
-Contrarianism to the bitter end

>>715586867
>marvel movie newfag is a retard
checks out

>>715586417
This, and the budget would have been lower and development time much shorter, and could have actually shipped a complete game instead of splitting it in three parts.

>>715587019
holy based

>>715587561
Sauce if interested
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Xpf_hn8g4

>>715585987 (OP)
they're dead set on the idea of "Fabula Nova Crystalis" where the idea of defying fate is the core them of the games

its the core universe of FF13 series. FF-0, and FFXV, because FFXV is a leftover from FF13-Versus

despite it not having any relation, FFVII is being transformed by squeenix to fit in this idea of the Fabula Nova Crystalis universe and thats why the idea of defying fate, defying gods is so present in the game, to the detriment of the whole FF7 compilation

>>715587019
I can't decide on if I hate Toriyama for forcing Lightning on us or if he's based because of the power level of his waifufaggotry.

>>715585987 (OP)
The way I had invisioned an ideal version
>Still atb, although I personally prefer tb
>Tweak or add enough materia for qol
>Cut condor missions in half, way to fucking tedious to go across the map every other time something happens
>Include nods to lore from obscure yet technically canon shit like the mobile games, etc, but not make them part of the plot
>Plot. Is. Unchanged.
>Same mini games, no more, no less
>None of the modern AAA garbage (QTEs, walk alongs, stagger, etc)
>Style is still mostly anime inspired, not realistic
>No open world, but something like fantasian's maps wouldn't be a bad compromise
>Blood and profanity when in the original is 1:1'd, if that makes it a m rating, so be it
>Voice acting optional, Japanese with English text also optional
>New game+
>Kh1 cloud outfit unlockable with ng+
I know in the current landscape most, if not all these are unreasonable, dated, blah blah blah. But again, that's my ideal. A man can at least dream
>>715586072
It's a ReiMaGiNiNg
>>715586137
Immersionfags are apparently a very lucrative and dependable demographic, anon
>>715586324
Fantasian, octopath, and smrpgr weren't bad. FFRK was great too, even though it was a mobile gacha

>>715586241
Fourth post best post. Everyone knew for almost two decades that if Squeenix got desperate enough, they would remake FFVII. It would be their "ace in the hole" when everything else they own went to shit. We all talked about it, but I don't think any of us expected them to milk it for three 100+ hour games spanning multiple console generations. That's cartoonish levels of incompetent greed.

>>715586324
The Last Remnant was actually good and even recent SaGa games are good.

>>715587810
>farischad

>>715587652
This whole thing is so japanese t. anon living in japn

>>715587980
>It's a ReiMaGiNiNg
No, it's set after the original FF7 BUT on a new timeline バカ

>only remake 1/3 of the game
>completely ruin the turn based combat system
>add a bunch of filler bullshit
>add a bunch of Advent Children bullshit
>add Sephiroth who shouldn't even be in this part of the game
>take away all the summons
>take away the weapon uprade system
>add a bunch of awful original character donut steels like a fucking twink whose first lines are "I work for Shinra. I'm a spy. But you can totally trust me!" and if you tell this creepy robotic faggot to fuck off you can't upgrade your materia
>completely change Midgar so it's sunny and bright despite being underground
>use the overworld theme in Midgar despite not being the overworld

>>715585987 (OP)
squares obsession with not using turn based combat just kills the experience honestly
it definitely did for me, you cant really feel attached to the characters, you dont get really time to think, strategize, or to enjoy the visuals
it feels like any other buttonmashslop
it is sad really
my only hope is they remake 8 and it has turn based combat. otherwise, square is pretty much dead to me at this point.

>>715586072
And that's how they fucked it

>>715586072
>Final Fantasy 7 Remake
>"you guys are dumb, it's not a remake"
nigger they call it a remake so I'm treating it like a remake

>>715588579
たぶん
Either way, it's nonsense

>finally get to the ff series on my backlog
>at FF9
>you could just feel the passion, innovation, and experimentation throughout the series
>realize all this is gone now
>be reminded that all the soul has been sucked out of vidya for a long, long time

Shunning the new and finally getting to the backlog and really sticking with it has been such a bittersweet experience. Re-realizing how good we had it and how its all gone now. Seeing all these once amazing series milked to death and drown in big budgets and global appeal...

In the parallel good timeline, we got a 1:1 remake with improved visuals, bug fixes, a bunch of new materia, and improved enemy AI/new superbosses, didn't we?

Fuck, I hate this simulation. Can I reroll on a different server already?

>>715585987 (OP)
FF7 remake trilogy is everything wrong with the current game industry.

>>715589463
In a good timeline we don't get remakes at all because people would have inspiration to make new stories

>>715588938
>Square raped FF7 with the remake
>My only hope is they remake FF8 and rape it too!

>>715587980
>>715588126
retards

>>715589463
For what its worth, modders have pretty much given you the FF7 you always wanted with a little work.

You want updated original graphics? They got it.

You want a version that looks more like the concept art? They got it.

You want realistic Advent Children style? More or less got that too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7g58AKsp-c&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

I really need to download all the mods from this version as I personally always wanted the graphics to resemble the art that I saw in the guides.

>>715589882
>video using non chibi field models
insta close

>>715589882
The only mod i want is one that does away with that mouth line but that doesn't seem to exist. Thankfully I can still play the original with my PS3

>>715589882
There must be some severe brain damage to think that this looks better

>>715590007
>The only mod i want is one that does away with that mouth line but that doesn't seem to exist.
https://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=14425.0

>>715587748
>>715587748
>despite it not having any relation, FFVII is being transformed by squeenix to fit in this idea of the Fabula Nova Crystalis universe and thats why the idea of defying fate, defying gods is so present in the game, to the detriment of the whole FF7 compilation

This reeks of one of the higher ups being obsessed with this idea, when it has no place in FF7. Wasn't one of their common phrases "there's no getting offa the train we're on"? I took that as events will keep moving forward so you have to deal with them.

>>715590502
Its definitely something they've been obsessed with. The canceled DLC for XV had a very Lightning Returns ending as well. Didn't notice it, but yeah, that theme has tried to sneak its way in several times.

>>715585987 (OP)
First they chased all the original talent out of the company
Then they had those that remained make VII compilation titles
Now you have those that remained making a remake that attempts to include all the compilation material as canon to validate their work

>>715585987 (OP)
Even if they remained loyal to the original vision of Final Fantasy 7 I will never forgive Square Enix dividing the remake into multiple parts to be sold at full price. FUCK THEM strictly for that. May they end up bankrupt.

I find it disgusting they even remade Trials of Mana in one release yet pull this stunt with Final Fantasy 7 Remake. And it doesn't help that this is the ONLY company that has done this remake multiple parts scam to my knowledge. Metal Gear Delta is one release, Crash Bandicoot Trilogy was all in one. What else is there to say? The other gaming companies remake their games and release them as a single release. Dividing them into different parts is a scam.

And going further to change the story for the worse? I hope the next part sells like shit. Hope that Square Enix dies.

>>715586072
its 100 percent a remake, with extra parallel dimension mechanics for the cetra, sephiroth, and jenova.
>>715585987 (OP)
This is cope. The combat is almost perfection in rebirth, but I felt like the story was cliche and pretty terribly told. Case in point, you are told to infiltrate a base where the president is about to hold an event at, but the game doesn't give you or any members costumes, so you just waltz right in with no soldier ever questioning you. Maybe seemed better to people because they were kids, and more of it was told through text and inference.

>>715590675
Is it Nomura?

>>715588078
The next game they can remake to scam idiots with is Chrono Trigger. But seriously with Final Fantasy 7 Remake Square Enix is running low of remake bait. Besides the mentioned Chrono Trigger they really don't have much else to remake.

Maybe the first Kingdom Hearts? But nah that wouldn't work. And remaking divisive games like FF8 or FF9 is not on the table. Maybe FF10 because that is considered the second most popular Final Fantasy in Japan. But given their incompetent greed as you mentioned I don't think there will be as many suckers for FF10 Remake being divided into multiple parts.

Square Enix may be in bigger trouble than they are letting on. Especially if Kingdom Hearts 4 fails. And Dragon Quest alone is not enough to carry the WHOLE company.

>>715591254
Kingdom Hearts 1 has a PC release that actually decent. FFX would probably be the next on a remake-bait list.

>>715591254
>divisive

Huh since when we're 9 cause arguments if anything it would have been FF VII switching from the pure kino of VI sprites

>>715591242
Doubt it. Probably just somebody in the higher ups or writing crew who has a boner for that plot point. It's a pretty popular one in japan in general. They whole "defy kami and carve your OWN destiny" thing. Funny enough, why I appreciate Xenoblade Chronicles 2 so much is because its one of the few games that flips that on its head and has the protagonist befriending god.

>>715585987 (OP)
Nomura and Nojima are autistic manchildren with severe anime brainrot who ruin everything they touch now. they fucke up FF7
-retarded tacked on time travel multi-verse kingdom hearts autism that has no place in FF7
-turning it into boring a walking simulator where every interaction from moving to pulling a lever is slowed down out to snails pace to waste as much player time as possible
-PADDING PADDING CUTSCENES CUTCENES, FORCED WALKING, MORE PADDING
-completely unfiathful events e.g retcons rigth from the start (guard scorpion starts the bomb, cloud never actually presses it, and shinra destroy the reactor so the new santised cloud and barret bare no responsibility at all).
-making the cutscenes, mocap, dialogue all CRINGE as fuck.
-Superficial gameplay that takes a backseat to everything. Cutscenes even play during boss fights because this is a cringe movie not a respectable game.

Did the combat in the remakes make anyone else motion sick? The way the camera moves around just makes me feel awful.

>>715587019
...are we supposed to hate the guy or praise the guy?

Could some autist on here give me the modern (7th gen-today) games that have soul and are fun?

>>715586417
That's not a remake, that's an HD texture mod

Remake and rebirth unironically do nothing right.
Nothing about what made the original good is in these new abominations.
This is an entirely different game for an entirely different type of user. An entirely different mindset for a completely different generation.
It is unironically what boomers think Zoomers want. If you enjoy this game congratulations you are a retard.

>>715592091
Praise. All he wants, when Lightning is unavailable, is to add cute genki girls into games and make them fun to play.

>>715592146
if all the assets are remade it's a remake.
it's only a mod or "remaster" if you use the original engine instead of starting form scratch.

>>715592243
unironically you should off yourself, unironically

Worse story. Worse combat. Worse characters. Take your pick.

>>715585987 (OP)
>Part 3 still two years away

It hurts, you guys.

>>715586417
I'd have bought that.
After FF7 Rebirth (I got memed into buying it) I've essentially stopped buying Final Fantasy all together. Just another lost sale in the future, huh SE?

>>715592883
But why start from scratch if the prompt is "exactly the same game, but prettier"

>>715585987 (OP)
It should have been one game not 3.

>>715586417
This is always such a silly notion to me. How in reality, everyone here just HATES the high effort high budget remake and want the theoretical cheap, easy remake.

>>715586804
>Why is Japan so fucking obsessed with honor in business that they can't look a retard in the eye and tell him he's lost his spark (if he ever had it at all) and designate somebody with two or, God willing, even three braincells to direct and write their games


They did that's why they ousted Sakaguchi for almost killing them with Spirits Within and never made Final Fantasy x3 because of the fucking blitzball beheading guy

>>715585987 (OP)
>some holes
nigga if you remade everything about the plot it still wouldnt work. entire acts are based around w/e bs they decided cloud would be that day

>>715593451
because the original games code is an outdated mess.
the engine is not capable of efficient rendering, collision or smooth analogue movement.
none of the animations, models, low res backgrounds, assets are suitable and all need to be remade anyway.

What that guy is talking does more or less exist as remaster mods.. so I would never make a modern game with pre-rendered backgrounds when visuals of the same quality can be rendered in full 3D.
FF7 does a lot of stupid shit like missable items & locking you out of revisiting certain areas for no reason so you would need to program a new game from scratch to fix these problems.

>>715593709
Then Sakaguchi made the kino called Lost Odyssey

>>715593647
This, knew it was doomed to be shit the moment i heart it was being 'split into chapters'. I dont care how long it takes, you finish the fucking game and release a finished fucking product, the greedy fucks.

Faggots still buy it though so they have themselves to blame for being good little pay pigs.

>>715592145
Bumu

>>715586440
who gives a shit what a faggot like you thinks then, you wouldn't know good taste if it bit you in the ass.

>>715594325
If they included every location from the OG in one game it would be 300gb and still would've taken over a decade to make

>>715594463
Rebirth is the only good FF game of the last 20 years

>>715594325
If they made it one game they'd have cut things.

>>715585987 (OP)
They thought that live is stranger was popular because just like the walking dead it was episodic,yes they are that stupid

>>715589054
Ah yes but remember anon-kun "remake has two meanings teehee"

>>715586684
God I wish Sephiroth would rub his very long sword onto Cloud's face

>>715594505
you have no fucking clue what you're talking about retard.
do you think all the original 3D locations that square pre-rendered took up over 300gb on their PCs back then?

3D models are simple vertex data they take up FUCK ALL space.
all the space in the dogshit 7R games is taken up by the awful cringe voice acting, pre-rendered videos and other cutscene bullshit.

>>715586684
You don't think Jaws would be better if they showed the shark right away and then kept showing him over and over again?
Also they made the shark gay and he kept showing up to taunt the main character by saying really lame homosexual lines..

>>715594505
FF7R part 1 went through 2-4 years wasted developement with nomura asleep at the wheel and literally every single thing made from that point was scrapped, thanks to him fucking up their relationship with CC2.
the actual game was rushed out in like a year. 99% of it is low quality dogshit comprised of the worst environment models and NPCs ever made.


if they didn't waste dev time by being incompetent and on all the garbage padding and cringe cutscenes and blatantly horrible shit that wasn't in the original game they could have easily made the real FF7 fully within that time frame.

>>715592243
the gold saucer dates were pretty well done

>>715595779
Nah, they had the same problem as everything else in demake, flashy over the top and overstaying.

>>715595779
they were cringe anime shit with horrible pacing and completely devoid of sincerity and humanity.
they also censored barret shooting through the roof of the ride too.

>>715586072
fippy bippy
it's evangelion all over again

>>715586072
it's trash that's what it is.
this was directed by the same retards who made AC.
they give so little fucks about the source material they forgot how materia works and had kidaj summon using a support materia.

Ive never played either but even i know FFR is bloated trash compared to the Original.

>>715586140
>Japanese circling the wagons
That doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>715585987 (OP)
>How did square enix fuck the remake so badly?
Nomura.

>>715594904
This. The only reason old PSX games were multi-CD was because they had to store FMVs.

>>715597316
All the FF7 CDs actually hold the entire game assets. It's actually only the FMV's that are the reason for there being multiple discs.

>>715589054
>I'm treating it like a remake
Go ahead, but you'll look retarded. It's called "remake" because Sephiroth was trying to REMAKE the timeline as he sees fit, with the time jannies cockblocking him sometimes.

>>715594904
>all the space in the dogshit 7R games is taken up by the awful cringe voice acting, pre-rendered videos and other cutscene bullshit.
... OK?
You know that's exactly what you're asking for, right? The whole game = all the locations = all the cutscenes and voice acting and music and texture data that comes with it.
That's why it's fucking ludicrous to do it all as one game.

>>715586440
This. Always do the opposite of what /v/ says. Always think the opposite of what /v/ thinks. If /v/ agrees with you on something it means you are wrong.

I hate ever pussy faggot that cries about Remake and Rebirth.
They are definitively better than the original in every way except story.
I've played Video Games for 30 years and I come to this faggot website to see people who started with Xbox 360 try and tell me what a good video game is.
I wish I had the ability to reach through digital space to strangle you fucking retards and ass rape you.
None of you play video games and none of you niggers are gamers. Fuck you pussies.

>>715596342
the yuffie one was anime cringe but the aerith one was pretty sweet

>>715597653
Remake fucking sucks dude
They took a 3 -4 hour segment and made it 10 times longer
At least in Rebirth you're constantly moving around and seeing new places

>>715585987 (OP)
The retril is 10/10 and you got filtered because you're a manlet failson who projects his self-hate onto the children's media he keeps consuming 24/7 in lieu of getting a job

>>715586072
You faggots are unironically more retarded than the MGSV cope mongoloids

>>715597193
Nojima*

Outside of Kingdom Hearts, almost every batshit narrative that comes out of Square Enix has Kazushige Nojima in the writing room.
He was there for such brilliantly-woven narratives as FFVIII and Stranger of Paradise, and was the author of X-2.5.

It's been said in interviews that Nomura actually the remake to be as faithful to the original as possible.

>>715597746
>They took a 3 -4 hour segment and made it 10 times longer
They took the best part of the original game and made it into a whole game in its own right, and a damn good one too

>>715597860
>They took the best part of the original game and made it into a whole game in its own right, and a damn good one too
Brooo remember the bit where you go back to the sewers for no fucking reason AND fight the blue rat boss fucker AGAIN!!?? Holy shit that was so based bro I love it when devs shove filler bullshit down my asshole yum yumm

>>715598039
Yes

>>715592145
Bakeru.

>>715585987 (OP)
anyone with any self respect knew it was gonna be dogshit when they said it would be "episodic" then they played remake and it was confirmed

>>715597860
>They took the best part of the original game
you're out of your fucking mind if you think midgar is the best part of 7.

>>715585987 (OP)
they didnt remake and rebirth are the best rpgs released over the last decade, people are just too fucking retarded and cant grasp the combat system even if you tell them how it works

it literally has the best combat system in the entire industry and rebirth is a masterpiece

Rebirth is the only game out of them that has it all:

- good characters,
- lots of enemies and bosses,
- lots of enemy variations with more than 150
different enemy models,
- lots of bioms/location variety,
- lots of towns that are all unique and different
to each other
- amazing visuals
- amazing music and more of it than all the
other games combined
- good characters that play widely different from
each other
- longest and most content rich game and its
not even close
- most variety in content
- hardest game on hard mode
- largest game world by far
- and to top it all off easily the best combat
gameplay of them all with the objectively best
group action combat system in the entire
industry and it is not even close.

- As a bonus has the loudest few borderline schizo haters on /v who are contrarians because they think it will make them look cool which is giving rebirth the defacto seal of approval of /v.

All the other games might have maybe one thing they do better if you squint your eyes but fail in all other things by comparison to rebirth.
None of them are the complete package that rebirth is, none.
And after the final part 3 releases the remake will be the best rpg in your lifetime, over 350 hours of pure rpg with the best combat system, enemy varity and bosses.

>>715586417
One thing is that those 2 min summon animations were cool in 1997 but super lame by modern standards. So they absolutely had to add the ability to skip those animations. Other than that yeah there's no point in changing much.

>>715598429
It is. It's the most engaging and cohesive part of the narrative. Sephiroth is really not that interesting and the meandering 20-hour wild goose chase that comprises the bulk of the narrative isn't very compelling.

>>715591902
Why are you blaming those 2 and not Kitase who seems to be the primary driving force of the remakes and the FF franchise as a whole post Sakaguchi?

>>715598442
>- good characters,
ruined characters
>- amazing visuals
it looks really ugly, especially the lighting
>- amazing music
bad remixes of original songs
>- longest and most content rich game and its not even close
forced filler and MMO tier sidequests
>- most variety in content
???
>- hardest game on hard mode
lmao
>- largest game world by far
lmao
>- and to top it all off easily the best combat
It's just FF13 combat with few tweaks, it sucks

>>715586440
>potato nose
A westerner made this.

>>715591902
>time travel multi-verse kingdom hearts autism
This has ALWAYS been Final Fantasy autism

the only good thing demake has given us is yuffie porn to be honest

>>715591902
>retarded tacked on time travel multi-verse kingdom hearts autism that has no place in FF7
I fucking hate they pull this shit on ff7 of all things when FF8 was PERFECT for that. That game had a lot of scrapped and rushed ideas and have a lot of theories related to timelines. It's the game they can actually go all crazy with timelines
>Squall died
>We see Rinoa losing her mind little by little
Instead it's just the same boring is Aerith dead is she not crap

>>715590502
>>715590675
Holy fuck how did this pass by me, god FFXIII still haunts FF.

>>715585987 (OP)
Didnt want to make the same game twice

>>715599661
Then why not make a completely new game instead?

I've been playing Rebirth and I'm surprised at how large it is. I assumed it would only be maybe twice as long as Remake at most.

>>715597581
>all the cutscenes and voice acting
I never asked for fucking voice acting. Especially not 30 GB worth of anime grunt noises, sidequest BS and horrible VA on meaningless NPCs.
7R character dialogue is so fucking stilted and cringe I was praying to the return of text boxes.

All side content being connected to Chadley is what ultimately kills this game for me.
I even rate Remake above Rebirth because of him.

>>715599118
It weird how Rebirth made me like Cait Sith and Yuffie much more, but I thought Cloud was lame and Tifa was just kind of there and did nothing I can remember in Rebirth.
>>715599731
Modern design padding will do it.

>>715599705
FF7 fanbase crying and begging for it.

>>715599902
Tifa always had kind of a dull personality. Cloud has an issue of being too reactive. He has no real initiative so he's kinda lacking in any real charisma. Still, he has his moments.

>>715599874
He's in both games though?

The biggest issue I have with Rebirth is the constant barrage of minigames. I don't really enjoy most of it. It's sad, but I won't be completing Johnny's trophy display.

>>715600052
Oh you know exactly what I mean, you disingenuous prick.

>>715599853
>I never asked for fucking voice acting.
Yeah, well nobody fucking asked you
It's a AAA game in the 21st century, you're getting voice acting. It's not 1997 anymore.

>>715600146
???
He's in both
He has side quests in both
Are you referring to his waifu?

>>715599853
>7R character dialogue is so fucking stilted and cringe I was praying to the return of text boxes.
Funny enough I think the first CD based RPGs on PC ENGINE CD and MEGA CD got it right.
Voiced audio for important key events and text boxes for less important stuff.

>>715600371
Ok il take the bait.
In Remake he's not constantly pestering me at every moment
>OH HEY CLOUD ISN'T EXPLORING FUN????
>OH CLOUD
Just shut the fuck up already and let me play the game in peace.

MAI's cute though.

>>715600402
Knights of Xentar my beloved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDO0CNP7KY8

>>715598442
>- good characters,
wrong. they're trash anime brainrot bastardizations of the real chareacter. and they're canonically timelines clones that don't matter.
>lots of enemies and bosses
doesn't matter when a lot of the designs are unfaithful and you can't play a fight without the 4 mid-fight custscenes ruining it.
KH2 had more enemy variety and much better combat and boss fights.

>lots of bioms/location variety,
->lots of towns
and they all look like shit. they're grey and washed out, the lighting sucks, they have low quality textures and NONE OF THEM look anything like the actual FF7 environments. they're all completely unfaithful. they look like generic shit from GTA made with generic asset farm components and polluted with shit NPCs that don't dress anything like the FF7 NPCs did.
and they AUTOMATICALLY spout the same cringe VA every time you run past them.

Kalm is meant to be Calm, instead it's a horrific infestation of shitty NPC blowing your speakers out with bad VA as you run past them and activate all their lines,

I'm not a fan of how Cloud's weapons just keep looking gaudier and gaudier in Rebirth. I mean, yeah, that was the trend in the original game, but the Umbral Blade is just straight up an eyesore.

>>715600937
>blowing your speakers out
Nigga turn the volume down

>>715600358
>It's a AAA game in the 21st century, you're getting voice acting
When square does not know how people talk or interact they are not fit to do voice acting.
also if the part 1 & 2 were faithful 90% of the garbage NPCs and filler dialogue would be removed, saving 100s of GBs.

>>715601089
the point is the voice lines stack into an incomprehensible mess of bad VA.
these NPCs add nothing and should be removed.

>>715601145
Yeah we'll just have this massive 3D world filled with NPCs who never speak, that'll be great
It's a real mystery why you're not the one making these games

>>715585987 (OP)
I'm still hoping once part 3 releases, they release a "complete" version that removes al lthe time janny shit and gives up a faithful remake

>>715595274
expedition 33 had the same problem. i beat renoirs ass so many times that the final boss fight was just a snooze fest

sorry i already kicked your ass 10 times already like Kuze

>>715601259
Just have Kalm be Calm like it was designed to be.
Home to a small community of about 20 people who speak ONLY when you go up and talk to them.

>>715601264
They won't and you're delusional to think it's even possible

>>715601282
>beat renoirs ass so many times
There's one scripted fight where you very explicitly lose and one actual fight before the final one

>>715585987 (OP)
The game will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>715597617
This.
Forspoken is kino.

>>715597746
Midgar was like 40 minutes

>>715585987 (OP)
because motomu toriyama. so many weird moments in the remake like that unskippable honey bee inn and new gay shinra moto rider

>>715601282
You do know they're not the same people right?

>>715586072
>>715597536
It's amazing to me that you'll post this as if it makes all the criticisms disappear. You don't even say it's good, but you say it and expect everyone who thinks it's bad to be BTFO with this asinine correction.

And the irony is, if you really are dedicated to "um actually"ing everyone who calls it a Remake, why not shoot SE an email and tell them to correct their boxart?

>>715598442
>haters on /v who are contrarians because they think it will make them look cool
What playground autism thinking is this?
Nobody here is saying 7R is shit to impress anyone. They're saying it because it's true.
But you certainly are doing a good job of making 7R fans sound like big fucking babies.

>>715601538
I wish FF7 Remake ran on Luminous Engine, I don't know jack shit about the engine itself but it would have made pajeet UE assets impossible.

>>715602546
It still amazes me how fuck ugly rebirth is outside a handful of sections. That shitty lighting man.

>>715602630
The game is visually inconsistent a strange mishmash of OG, CC, DC and AC art direction thrown together with main cast player models that have way more detail to them than the average npc.
Yes important characters having more detailed models than regular NPC is nothing new, but here it's like the generic npc is 2 gens behind the main cast. On top of that the generic npc do not look like they belong in the same universe as the main cast.

>>715585987 (OP)
Because it's fucking Square Enix
They wanted to split the remake into like 5 parts. You know when they announced that it would be a trilogy? Like before Rebirth came out because they were surprised the numbers for the first part were so low.
SE expected 10 million sales in the first week because people asked for a remake for decades
They knew that since it's a remake of an old game, they couldn't add microtransactions or turn it into a gacha.
FF7 remake was their "get money when needed" card so they tried to milk it.

>>715586072
It's a retelling but whitewashed by suits

>>715587980
>>715586137
>yes the graphical fidelity is at fault
???


>>715586440
It is good but the story is only good when you ignore all the new/changed stuff.
All the filler content was getting annoying at some point.
>let's go to this point
>wait a moment here you have a big are you have to travel first until we say the plot can continue
Worst is that everything is railroaded. Everything is laid out, the player isn't allowed to miss anything

>>715593665
wtf bros why does everyone hate Logitechs high effort mouse control software, we added 10 gigs of features and AI to help our customers

>>715590502
>Wasn't one of their common phrases "there's no getting offa the train we're on"? I took that as events will keep moving forward so you have to deal with them.
The new trilogy shits all over the original themes. Dealing with loss and grief, understanding that someone is gone forever physically, but they can still live on inside you and through their influence on you and others? Don't worry, they're alive in another universe bro.

>>715603164
>but they can still live on inside you
..isn't that literally what is happening now at the end of Rebirth

>>715603375
yeah zack can show up again even though he died because he survived in an alternate world. it's very very shit and goes against the theme of the original for cheap fanservice.

>>715593709
>the fucking blitzball beheading guy
HE'S LITERALLY THE GUY WRITING THE 7R GAMES YOU DUMB FUCK

>>715587171
vagrant story does a lot of cool stuff, but it's definitely not a good game.

>>715603792
based Nojima

>>715585987 (OP)
It's fucking unreal that a game that literally has a tranny as its main character is so popular to begin with.

>>715585987 (OP)
cuz barry won

>>715585987 (OP)
Rebirth is one of the greatest games of all time unironically. The combat system is amongst the best in gaming. I enjoyed it a lot.

STAGGERSLOP GARBAGE MASSIVE SALES FLOP

ATB TURN-BASED WON

>>715602957
>FF7 remake was their "get money when needed" card so they tried to milk it.
Talk about misreading the market.
FF7 mania is pretty much dead by 2009.
Throw in the fact that there are people who stopped playing video games and not enough new blood to mitigate the loss of said older players.
Not to mention the golden era of jrpgs have been over for a good time

>>715597653
I have played games six years longer than you. Remake and Rebirth are the two worst mainline FF games. Meta as a story element is an abomination unless your name is Sam Lake and even then it mostly is.

>>715597536
you have no business calling other people retarded, brother

>>715590502
this is what happens when nobody listens to mr. t

>>715604232
>Not to mention the golden era of jrpgs have been over for a good time
Not true, it's just people lost interest because they got shit. Golden era existed because you had so many great games and small dev studios showed recently that you can be successful if you make a good game.
>Throw in the fact that there are people who stopped playing video games and not enough new blood to mitigate the loss of said older players.
It wouldn't be a problem if they made a complete game. But this is for nobody really.
Fans aren't satisfied because the original was ruined
New fans aren't that satisfied either because everyone bitches about the changes, the pacing is dogshit and it's split up. So there is no point to buy this shit for them either except to wait for the complete version
>Talk about misreading the market.
SE has been damaging FF brand for decades now. The name doesn't hold that much value anyways but SE is blind to that.
The games that carry that brand are all over 20 years old by now.

>>715601335
You just have to make it good.
For example in OoT in Hyrule market you have the sound of people talking. Makes sense
The problem is with AAA games is that they shove so much content into a game that it's too much.
It's boring and you're reminded that you have all these sidequests going on. You aren't allowed to miss those. When you climb the plates in Remake they even show you some materia and add it to your to do list.
Still 0 respect for players and their curiosity which is why games like Dark Souls got popular. You are allowed to miss things

>>715608528
>You just have to make it good.
you ask too much of current SE

>>715587748
On a psychological level I believe this "defying fate" trend represents their longing to leave the corporate shell of Square-Enix. Yet for devs like Nomura and Kitase, their entire lives are so wrapped up in the institution they are effectively trapped. To leave is to defy Shinra, 神羅, the God Network, aka the divine corporation and lose your purpose in life.

>>715591902
>shinra destroy the reactor so the new santised cloud and barret bare no responsibility at all
Shinra rigged it to explode in the original too. Its why Jessie is confused about the size of the explosion and thinks she messed up when in reality Shinra knew about the attack in advance and decided to make Avalanche look unhinged by upping the deaths causes.

>>715609734
>deaths causes
death count*
Dunno how I fucked that one up that bad

>>715609734
>Shinra rigged it to explode in the original too.
what faggot youtuber convinced you of this utter shit

>>715586324
>square-enix has never made a good game
KH2

>>715609734
>Shinra rigged it to explode in the original too.
Revisionist cope
Not one person in history, including yourself, ever heard Jessie say "damn I didn't think the explosion would be that big" as "omg Shinra blew up the reactor themselves!"
Disingenuous faggot

>>715609734
>in reality Shinra knew about the attack in advance and decided to make Avalanche look unhinged by upping the deaths causes.
Proof?

>>715609942
>>715610026
I'm pretty sure Heidegger laughs about increasing the explosion when you can spy on him in Shinra HQ.

>>715610181
I'm trying to find it, but its hard when the internet is just flooded with info on remake after 5 years. I know someone posted the screenshots way back when threads were bitching about it on release.

>>715601264
you will never even get a "complete" version.
the mechanics of 7R1 and 7R2 are fundamentally different and incompatible.
-mechanics, character moves sets and frame data have been completely changed.
-1 doesn't even have functional air combat, dodges or guarding it's all worthless and programed like shit..plus enemies have attacks that can't even be avoided unless you abuse i-frames with a limit.
-there are all these items and mechanics that are not in part 2
-there is no way to have you be an appropriate level (about level 17) by the end of midgar and then carry everything over including all the shit that is incompatible with the design of part 2.

and I guarantee if square even have the guts to release a part 3 of this trainwreck that shit will be radically different and will not be designed in a way that's compatible with part 2 either.

Collecting Enemy skill was a super fun part of FF7. That's just 1 example of a mechanic they fucked up in 7R, enemy skills are completely inconsistent between part 1 & part 2, their place in the menu and how you learn them got changed for the worse. these games are straight up not designed to fit together and never will.

>>715599853
I genuinely believe jrpgs would have been in a better place 2003-2012 if they stuck with text boxes.
You take a japanese script, do a dodgy translation to English and then have some C/B tier voice actors voice it.
no wonder the genre was so ridiculed during these years.
Also keep in mind that people who play rpgs don't mind reading...

>>715587980
>>Blood and profanity when in the original is 1:1'd, if that makes it a m rating, so be it
When they changed the Shinra tower blood trails in Remake I was legit angry about it, it was one of the most iconic moments of the original, they later removed the impaled sneak in Rebirth, just to put another nail in the coffin of the Remake series

>>715610270
Dismissing your bullshit faggot claim as bull until that proof is posted. Should be easy to find.

>>715610270
>back when threads were bitching about it
How dare they. I'm glad someone was diligently working to dismiss their complaints.

>>715609734
This post is a good example of how the remake and its retarded fans have a negative impact on the original too

>>715610326
Everyone who gives a shit about FF7 in anyway or form is above the age of 18.
You know what make it
>Everyone who gives a shit about Final Fantasy is above the age of 18
Just another day and Square-Enix misreading the market.

>>715609734
>Shinra rigged it to explode in the original too.
No they didn't, literally most of Jessie's dialogue in the original is about how she fucked up with the amount of explosives she used

>>715610387
Remake deserves a lot of shit, and I hope part 3 never comes out, but the bombing "retcon" ain't one of them.
>>715610456
>fan
lol lmao
I deleted that shit off my PS4 and threw the disc away as soon as I finished that garbage.

>>715610457
They also claimed rebirth is a perfect place to start, no need to play the original or even remake part 1.

>>715610518
>but the bombing "retcon" ain't one of them
Yes it is, until you post that proof.

>>715610457
Also to add to this, zoomers nowadays don't play single player games that aren't complete and utter slop, FF7R could never compete with these games, so they could have at least pandered to their fanbase and make the game to satisfy them, but instead they made a game that satisfied no one.

>>715610617
They made the zoomer ff7 game too and it was a disaster

>>715586417
this is stupid, I am so glad they didn´t go this way

>>715610738
How long did this game even stay alive until it EoSed?

>>715610326
the censorship in 7R is fucking clown world shit.
The missing blood trails and devastation, they way they fucking fumbled the creepy atmosphere so hard, the way they ruined it by turning it into yet another walking simulator section.
and then nothing pissed me off more than the way they fucked up the presidents death. FUCKING TRANNY CENSORSHIP SMOKE instead of blood.
then all the clown show shit with barret being stabbed, coming back to life instantly with those inane fucking idiotic time ghosts. Nomura and Nojima deserve to have their skin flayed off slowly for making this dogshit.

>>715610738
Kek I remember this, they tried to get into the BR market with their strongest IP and the game appealed to no one so it got shut down in less than a year.
They will spend a shit ton of money on slop but will never make Octopath traveler 3, what a shame

>>715610942
Don't even get me started on how badly Dyne was handled lol

>>715610518
>I hope part 3 never comes out
they're already committed, it's coming

>>715599118
She’s one of the hottest vidya characters ever

>>715610738
the silver lining of this embarrassing garbage is it exposed "FF brand ambassadors" for the shills they are. even when the fucking thing didn't work they were still hyping it up. nobody enjoyed this shit but the "ambassadors" were still glazing it and insisting it should come to consoles. if that's not proof that they'll suck off anything ff7 related I don't know what does.

I genuinely hope that they let FF9 stay as it was after this disaster of a Remake series

>>715586324
Dragon Quest VIII
Kingdom Hearts 2

>>715610971
>>715611146
I think the worst part about that game is that it was mobile only. The game looked like awful to play on mobile. It would've made more sense on PC/Console.

>>715610604
Still waiting by the way

>>715586072
Yeah, that's (part of) the problem. People wanted an actual remake, not a bait and switch'd sequel. It's a shit sequel and a shit remake, regardless.

>Remake Midgar slums
>Oh it's a happy go luck poor community everyone has a heart of gold helps each other bla bla
>Remake Kalm
>Due to retarded compilation shit they did the whole town was burned down and was replaced by a replica in turn fucking over og Nibelheim story
>Remake Gongaga
>While expanding on this section is good again with the whole happy genki go luck kumbaya community shit. If there was anything you could say about it in the original was that it was depressing bum fuck dump in the middle of nowhere. Oh and Shinra creating a monument to their fuck up is just so out of character for them
>Remake Corel Prison
>Went from a place that was pretty much a death sentence packed to the brim with cutthroats and scoundrels of the worst kind. Is basically just a bunch of weirdos at this point
>Remake Cosmo Canyon
>Turned into some kind of tourist trap
>Remake Nibelheim
>Due to Kalm now stealing the OG Nibelheim story they decided to turn it into some kind of health resort for the robed men

They completely fucked the tone of the original game

>>715586324
Both the Dissidia games on PSP were fun. FE4 on PSP was good too. (Just 4, not the included sequel, holy shit that game was bad.)
Otherwise, I agree.

>>715611508
Is this really true wtf

>>715610501
>>715609734
She didn't "fuck up" she just feels guilty about the devastation because she does know how to make a bomb.
7Rs writing is so fucking bad that they reconnected the "bomb" into a literal firework that does literally nothing, doesn't even damage the surface you place it on.
they want us to believe that demake Jessie is so fucking stupid she mistakenly thought the worthless firework she made that does nothing was "too powerful" even tho it's less powerful than the bomb she used to blow up the wall.

and then she thinks she needs to make an even less powerful bomb (than the one that does literally no damage to anything). she need to go and get an even weaker blasting agent? what is it? jello powder?
the writing is so fucking garbage.

>>715611467
>I think the worst part about that game is that it was mobile only.
If I remember correctly it was also embedded heavily with Square's NFT retardation, on top of it being incredibly bland and uninteresting to play
>>715611870
it is 100% true, the game went from dark fanatsy to happy go lucky "we're poor but happy" type of game

>>715611909
the important thing is our heroes are sparkle clean and the villains are super mega evil - unless they're kawaii uguu boys like reno who can help drop the plate but also feel bad about it so they can all be frens later

Heidegger is one of the few good things the Remake suceeded at expanding.
That's the thing people don't mind changing stuff or expanding upon something if the execution is good.
The Remakes problem is that the execution is infuriatingly bad case in point Roche.

>>715598485
>summon animations
>lame
Only if you are creatively bankrupt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqCyuU_2Z3M

>>715610828
>t."fan" that didn't even play the OG
And fags like this are the biggest issue with remakes, they proclaim to be "fans" of the franchise yet they haven't touched what made the series great to begin with, same with Resident Evil "fans" asking for remakes.

>>715611508
I think the wort part is how they complete fucked up the aesthetics and atmosphere.
they didn't even fucking try to be faithful or preserve the most iconic design elements.

when I think of Kalm. I think of the cool blue colour scheme, the circular blue brick pavement, the unique medieval steampunk architecture. still birth has none of that.
it doesn't even have a colour scheme, it's gray washed out generic shit made from cheap pajeet farm assets like everything else in the game
they just looked at everything and went "no", then made some generic fucking trash flooded with NPCs that doesn't even vaguely resemble Kalm.
they didn't even understand the name...what the place is meant to be is in the name "calm".

>>715585987 (OP)
Because they did too much, a remaster would have been perfect, instead theyre spending 25 years doing some mediocre bs.
FF8 remaster > FF7 remakes

>>715611475
I guess it was a retcon after all

>>715585987 (OP)
I refuse to play it because of the boring combat. The action rpg genre just doesn't do it for me i either want stylish fast paced combat like dmc or i want tactical turn based gameplay not a compromise between both

>>715596963
>Game wins user voted awards
>"They must be circling the wagons"
You are actually very dumb for coming to that conclusion. Explain your logic please, I could use a laugh.

>>715611508
It's because they Kingdom Hearts-ified it. Everything in Kingdom Hearts is like this, there's no real stakes and everyone's either a disney villain or happy-go-lucky yay everything is good and kind and happy! retard. Why does nobody mention this? Even the combat, the flying woosh sword combat: Kingdom Farts-ified. The throwing out spells system - Kingdom Farts-ified. Remake/birth are Kingdom Hearts games no FF games.

I can't decide if Rebirth or Remake has the worse ending.

>>715613125
Rebirth fixes a few horrible design mistakes and fake gameplay from part 1 but you still barely even play the game.

You hit a boss 3 times then it artificiality stops taking damage and a cutscene plays and this repeats like 4 times per boss fight.
You can parry and dodge (and they actually work as tangible mechanics in this one) but it's still not long before the boss or enemy does some bullshit that wasn't designed properly like suddenly break out of stagger and turn invincible for more than half the boss fight so you can listen to forced scripted dialogue and events play out at the cost of gameplay like
>I'm sorry were you playing a game? we need to deliver more scripted custscene bullshit and gameplay is lowest on out priorities so just enjoy this pointless 5 minutes of waiting around the boss arena while the invincible boss with a locked HP bar just meanders around.
or does some spectacle attack that clearly isn't designed in a mechanically sound way to have a proper counterplay (yes the game still has these moments of bad design tho not as bad as in part 1).

and then most of your time is spent slogging through filler and custscenes. the gameplay density is incredibly low and the game doesn't now want you to have any freedom or agency it will interrupt you and take control away every second.

>>715595274
I would like to see Lisping Faggot Jaws, sounds like absolute kino.

>>715585987 (OP)
>another buttblasted tifafag

--

Remake is frustrating because it could've been different but still good.

I like the combat system. The entire Wall Market chapter was actually alot of fun. I like Midgar. I liked receiving the story in a not broken as fuck translation, the worldbuilding makes more sense than the original.

On the bad side the writing for the the characters they expanded on was terrible. Jessie I couldn't wait to see die because every scene with her in it made me want to die.
Fuck the busywork sections like the claw part and high fiving Aerith. Fuck the narrow corridors where you walk as slowly as the game's physics will allow you while the characters talk. Fuck the time jannies plot.

My friend has the same opinions as me on it and tells me Rebirth is actually really good so I'll be playing that when I'm done with Rimworld DLC and DK.

>>715585987 (OP)
I haven't played these games since they made everyone look like twinks. You wouldn't know left was supposed to be a twink back in 1997. He was a kid with spiky hair and a giant sword.

>>715618675
What are you even talking about anon

>>715618987
all of SE's male characters look and act like twink faggots.

>>715618675
Kingdom Sharts-ified. Every male has to be a pretty boy.

>>715586417
This plus cut content they had planned for the OG

>>715586072
It is a sequel, but also a remake because it recreates the story of FFVII with major alterations to events and characters and the world*. It is also meant to supersede FFVII, because the compilation project's popularity is tied to FFVII but FFVII is stylistically and narratively incompatible with the compilation. The problem that remains is that the compilation is incoherent without the game it was made as a response to (FFVII) and the remake trilogy is functionally both a prequel and a sequel to the rest of the compilation. It's rapidly approaching timecube levels of nonsense.

*I'm not referring to the ghost fuckery or time travel

>>715613125
>boring combat
It's literally and without exaggeration the absolute best and most innovative combat system an Rpg ever had. Especially on Hard where you can't use items.

>>715614559
I don't know what game you played but this is all false. Please stop talking shit about shit you know shit about.

Im thinking title reveal part 3 at TGA

>>715612782
Color pallete is different but the designs of the buildings, tower and wall are all the same. So better look for something else to nitpick about because this is not it.

>>715585987 (OP)
The threw everything on Remake.
Fans who wanted a 1to1 remake were put out by the crazy additions and newcomers saw the big final battle, against one of the most recognized vidya bad guys in history, as the "End Game" of series, felt satisfied with it and moved on.

>>715620223
????
Artwork, cutscenes, renders???

>>715589385
>FF9
>passion, innovation, and experimentation
Nigger do you even know what any of those words mean? Because FF9 is none of that. It was a safe sequel that flopped. There was exactly 0 innovation or experimentation of any kind in this game. It was traditional, simplistic and basic because they wanted the casual audience. That's why the game was so stupidly easy it was the first FF game you could 100% without a guide.

>>715586072
>>715591902
>retarded tacked on time travel multi-verse
for how much longer are you retards gonna keep parroting this debunked shit?

Oh this faggot is SEETHING

>>715594031
considering they lost the source code, this would be mandatory, if the did want to obtain something

>>715594574
Believe me that, considering how poor they have performed with Rebirth, there will be the hell of a cuts in the third part. They simply will never be disclosed, so no one is going to complain about them.

>>715595640
Source: my ass?

>>715586072
It's a rebootquelmake.

>>715626858
>the hell of a cuts

>>715587171
Everytime anyone posts "Vagrant Story" I immediately think of this.

>>715624305
>are all the same.
literally not even 1 asset looks the same you blind retard. nothing follows the design.

>>715626858
They already made "the hell of a cuts" in all their low budget shit so that they have more resources for their AAA games.

>>715627715
People won't get that reference any more.

>>715609734
>>715610270
>>715610518
Retard status: CONFIRMED

>>715601487
This

>>715609942
>>715610026
>>715610181
>>715610501
You idiots.

>>715629564
He's talking about the plate drop, retard.

>>715629564
>sector 7
Swing and a miss

>>715629564
That's a cool image of President Shinra talking about dropping the sector 7 plate, anon. But if you find the time could you please post an image proving Shinra blew up the sector 5 reactor instead of avalanche?

>the terrible writing in the remakes has started to effect how people remember the original story
sigh

>>715630168
Pretty generous to assume they ever played the og

>>715630168
Wasn't that the intention?

>>715629676
>>715629872
>>715630041
Found ya~
It's the entire speech of President Shinra, emerging from the Sector 5 Reactor, as your troupe finally arrives. Just before the "Airbuster" fight.
>Shinra soldiers!? SHIT! What the hell's goin' on?
>...a trap...
Footsteps echo, and they all turn to look as President Shinra walks out of the reactor.
>Presi... President Shinra?
>Why is the President here?
>Hmm... So you all must be that... ...what was it?
>AVALANCHE! And don't ya forget it! And you're President Shinra, huh?
-Cloud introduces self, they take about Sephiroth-
**Barret runs up, pushing Cloud aside.**
>Don't give a damn 'bout none of that! This place's goin' up with a big BANG soon! Serves y'all right!
President Shinra
>And such a waste of good fireworks, just to get rid of vermin like you...
SHIN-RA already knew "Sector 5" was Avalanche's next target. So, they purposefully sacrificed it, with its massive explosion, for the purpose of turning public opinion against Avalanche (a "terrorist attack by the group named AVALANCHE").
Immediately after exposing SHIN-RA's hyperbolic injection of events surrounding Sector 5 by the President himself, you begin fighting the machine boss "Airbuster."
Cloud falls to Aeris' church.

(Next Chapter, during Wall Market)
>And now for the news. Due to a terrorist attack by the group named AVALANCHE, parts of Midgar that were temporarily out of power will be restored momentarily. Following President Shinra's lead, Mayor Domino also spoke out public against AVALANCHE.

1. Sector 5 was planned to be blown up by AVALANCHE
2. SHIN-RA knew about this plan
3. SHIN-RA prepared Sector 5 to be blown up, directly visiting on-site.
4. SHIN-RA fuels the "reactor explosion" into an exaggerated BREAKING NEWS story, with AVALANCHE to blame

You're all idiots.

>>715631737
This is the second reactor that AVALANCHE attack. The one they blow up at the start of the game also sees Jesse commenting on the bomb, I believe. I can't remember how Remake plays that first bombing out, so I can't speak to that sanitization, but you're right, not sure why that point was being argued, when the real sanitization issue is with the Sector 7 plate falling being totally neutered and causing no deaths at all. Both of you end up being right, but the remakes are fucking terrible, so I'm giving them the point. Sorry, you did put some legwork in there, but them's the breaks.

>>715613179
Thread will 404 and he won't reply.

> remakes have better gameplay by a mile( especially rebirth )
>ff7 graphics suck ass while ff7rebirth is an amazing open world game
>ff7's bare story lacking motivations for some characters is vastly expanded on in remake & rebirth
why care about original ff7? it's ass.

>>715586830
This kills the tranny shitposter.

>>715631737
Oh my god you are the dumbest faggot in the world

>>715603805
>it's definitely not a good game.

>>715586072
God you hurt my head

>>715586830
Bro you sound like a demented cultist. Any way to praise the game without sounding like you are a soulbinder?

>>715587282
okay babyseal calm down
and act your age. stop larping as a smug 14 year old softboi. you're in your 40s and talking like this.

>>715586072
Reminder Square Enix never once said it was a sequel and has only ever called it a remake.

>>715625049
>debunked shit
It's not debunked because you said it is.

>>715609734
>Shinra rigged it to explode in the original too.
Kill yourself revisionist faggot

>>715631737
Wow! Not only does this NOT prove Shinra blew up Reactor 1, but it ALSO doesn't prove Shinra blew up Reactor 5 either!
Impressive work!

>>715591902
>Final Fantasy VII Remake expands on the Midgar story arc significantly. When developing the game, how did you decide on the parts that you wanted to expand?
>Kitase: I personally envisioned quite a dramatic change overall, but our director; Tetsuya Nomura and co-director; Naoki Hamaguchi, wanted to keep the beloved aspects in the original as much as possible. Eventually the development team decided to focus on respecting the original while adding in new elements, ensuring a delicate balance between the two.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/05/interview_final_fantasy_vii_remake_producer_and_co-director_on_development_launch_and_being_grateful_for_the_fans

>Nomura: I sometimes watch videos where people are analyzing or reacting to things I have worked on and see the word “Nomuraism” associated with lines or concepts I didn't even write
>Nomura: I see things like “this feels very Nomura to me” being said, and I think to myself “but that literally was not me…” (laughs)
https://x.com/aitaikimochi/status/1755117665658757248

>>715586830
>Rebirth is one of the best games ever made

>>715631737
>3. SHIN-RA prepared Sector 5 to be blown up
Proof?

>>715632309
I'm just some guy who saw the thread and came in after the "Shinra knew? Shinra made things worse in the original? Nuh-uh! Prove it!!" nonsense. Incidentally, I've never played the remakes.

In FF7, AVALANCHE blew up Reactor 1 in the opening segment.
Next, SHIN-RA discovers AVALANCHE's plan to blow up Reactor 5, so SHIN-RA (President Shinra, himself, even) tailored that go off without a hitch while trapping AVALANCHE there with the blast.
Finally, after the miracle survival of AVALANCHE, SHIN-RA decides to prepare Reactor 7 to be destroyed as well. They even prepared the explosion themselves, lacing it with superfluous energy to take down the entire Sector 7 Plate, all just as a means to fully destroy AVALANCHE (knowing about their residence in the Sector 7 Slums. No "miracle getaway" this time. This kills everyone on the plate and everyone in the slums. Miraculously, Barret, Tifa, Cloud of AVALANCHE (plus Aeris and Red XIII) survive, as well as Marlene (taken to Aeris' mom).

>>715633438
>They even prepared the explosion themselves
Proof?

>>715633438
>SHIN-RA decides to prepare Reactor 7 to be destroyed as well
Proof?

>>715633578
my uncle works for shinra

They pretty much lost me after the plate dropping scene in the first game. I lost a lot of interest after that

>>715585987 (OP)
>How did square enix fuck the remake so badly?
They didn't.

>>715633426
>prepared
>SHIN-RA is literally already on-site before AVALANCHE even arrives
>as a trap
>prepared
>a trap

>prepared
>a trap

>SHIN-RA prepared
>a trap to trap AVALANCHE

SHIN-RA prepared a trap for AVALANCHE to die with the oncoming explosion of the Sector 5 mako reactor. Because SHIN-RA knew it was coming, at allowed it, even aiding it to occur. They even do it AGAIN with the Sector 7 mako reactor, deciding to make the explosion SO POWERFUL, this time, it'll take down the entire motherfucking plate! SHIN-RA knows, and even outright commits to these in increasing investment!

This is fun~

>>715632309
>but you're right
No he isn't you dumb faggot.

>>715612782
I played the demo, saw how they turned the funky reactor into a generic gray warehouse that could have been copy/pasted from any random 7th gen game and instantly lost any interest I might have had in it.

>>715633578
President Shinra explicitly states it in his dialogue. It's a "such a waste" he chooses to allow this upcoming explosion he's prepared for (with his soldiers and Airbuster); a choice he, as the President of SHIN-RA, makes "just to get rid of vermin (AVALANCHE) like you..."

>>715633925
>SHIN-RA prepared a trap for AVALANCHE
Yeah, that was Airbuster.

If there's a line of dialogue about Shinra setting bombs then go ahead and post it, otherwise this is headcanon.

Avalanche blew up reactor 1, and reactor 7. Shinra did not blow up either.

>>715633925
>>715634143
You should play remake. They made it for retards. You'd like it.

>>715634143
>explicitly states it
lmao you don't even know what words mean

>buy FF7 remake expecting to play FF7 in ultra beautiful HD
>every other section is a forced fucking walk and talk segment
>try to walk where I'm not supposed to and Cloud will literally take control from me and say "We shouldn't be going this way right now"
>spend time talking to such exciting classic faggots like OLD BITCH WHO RUINS THE APARTMENTS and LITTLE FAGGOT KID WHO LOST HIS CAT
>sidequest sidequest sidequest sidequest fucking gay faggot quests
>long boring segments that were nowhere in the original
>action-game "RPG" garbage combat because square is too scared to make a turn-based game ever again in their life
>kingdom hearts level time janny retardation completely ruining the fucking story and basically just constantly going NOT WHAT YOU REMEMBERED IS IT?? HUH???? WHAT IF WE FUCKED IT UP??? ARE YOU FREAKED OUT CLOUD?
>literally just DISC FUCKING ONE of FF7, stretched out with garbage shit to ensure they can milk this remake for more years by splitting it up
>even though it's just disc one half of the iconic moments, music, and fights are still somehow introduced in the first part just to trick you into thinking you're playing a full experience and not some gimped bullshit

Dropped part one by the time I got to Shinra and will never be playing the other parts as long as I fucking live. The ONLY good thing to come out of these remakes is a new slew of porn. The games themselves are fucking SHIT.

>>715585987 (OP)
>How did square enix fuck the remake so badly?
they didn't. (admittedly the remake shouldn't have been a trilogy, it should have been a prologue followed by the main game but still they did a good job)

>>715634182
>Prooove they said, verbatim "we set up NUKEs! We claim to be responsible!"
>If you don't, I win!!
HahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Mako Reactor 1 - AVALANCHE destroys it in a terrorist attack against SHIN-RA
Mako Reactor 5 - AVALANCHE performs another terrorist attack, but SHIN-RA is already aware of this and allows the explosion to occur in a successful trap
Mako Reactor 7 - AVALANCHE doesn't even attempt to destroy this, SHIN-RA outright sets up a mega-explosion of this sector's reactor as a blackmail/vengeful means to collapse the entire Sector 7 Plate onto the Sector 7 Slums in order to eradicate this pesky AVALANCHE group once-and-for-all.

Avalanche blew up 1, half-responsible for 5, and has absolutely no stock in 7.
Shinra suffered 1, half-responsible for 5, and is 100% the cause of 7.

>>715631737
Holy shit, we have finally gotten to the point where retarded zoomers didn't even play the original and are just looking for proof by scanning through the script HAHAHAHHAA. Hey retard, Sector 5 was not the reactor you blow up at the beginning, AND Shinra didn't plant any bombs here.

>>715629564
This is the plate drop, not any explosions in any reactor.

It takes effort to be this much of an idiot. I salute whoever these posters are, you are dedicated to your work

>>715634818
Ok? Part 3 is still getting made. You lost, tranny.

>>715634279
Okay!

>>715634975
>the reactor
>Anon, I'm only talking about Mako Reactor 1!
>Why can't you understand that!?!?!?!?!?!?
I didn't play the remake.

>>715585987 (OP)
They learned nothing from that shitty final fantasy movie that broke the company.
>instead of a fantasy make it as realistic as possible
Just look at how dumb cloud's hair is compared to the old in game movies.

It was already truly fucked when Advent Children was released. Cloud never looked cool after that

>>715603087
Oh god you reminded me of actually owning an expensive logitech mouse.
>constantly stops working and I have to reinstall drivers.
>drivers FOR A FUCKING MOUSE
>paid over 50$ for it thinking it would be worth it
That was a decade ago, I can only imagine how bad it is now.

>>715634926
You said he explicitly says it
He does not
Shinra does not blow up any reactors in the OG
Nice talking to you

>>715634818
Correct. These soulless cashgrabs don't deserve the FFVII name.

>>715585987 (OP)
Can't wait to see this whole game getting finished and the fans make a plan called "Final Fantasy Re-Remake", with the story being 1 to 1 with the old game.

>>715633987
Eh, I guess that's true, SHINRA isn't admitting to adding their own explosions, but you need to control your anger, pal. Try killing yourself, that should help

>>715634975
I think he's using chat gpt to come up with answers for him. He's conjured a whole extra reactor bombing out of thin air.

Such a shame Ever Crisis turned out to be a gatcha game. At least the assets can be used for FF7 modding I guess.

>>715636456
Honestly they really should take Ever Crisis idea
>Make game chibi
>But combats use cool graphics
I mean they could literally try this with a FF5 Remake, imagine exploration with cute chibi but then you see the cool models in combat

>>715597653
>They are definitively better than the original in every way except story

>>715585987 (OP)
You've been crying for about this for over 10 years, turn-cringe boomer. Just move on with your life.

>>715585987 (OP)
I kind of wish SE just did a sequel to FF7 based on the AC children movie in the same exact style as the original PSX FF7. I WOULD accept a change to the battle system however by having them make it somewhat more tactical but not autistically so. Something like Divinity:OS2 would have worked well. Hell I'm an indie game dev and if Sony wants to give me 500k, the entire story+dialogue, and they handle the music, I could make the damn thing myself in 3 years.

>>715598650
>It is. It's the most engaging and cohesive part of the narrative

>>715636671
>when I mash the button the game shows me sparkle effects
>this means the combat is PEAK

>>715636692
Honestly the whole remake project should have been 7-2 with a new story to keep both oldfags and newfags hooked

>>715636671
>pretending this is some Ninja Gaiden Black tier combat when you are literally just mashing one button with the occasional special move selection
>half the animations here are automatically executed as part of a combo anyway
We played the fucking game just like you did retard, we know this is a bullshit representation of the combat.

>>715601487
Understanding this is key to understanding why anyone likes expanded 7 slop

>>715636753
When does it get any better

>>715636671
I will always love based Kitase for giving us this KINO.

>>715598650
>Sephiroth is really not that interesting
This is literally by design, it is quite literally described by his name

>>715636671
Hard difficult is really fun
Recycle this combat for a new game

>>715636342
Concession accepted faggot.

>>715636671
Why do all that when I can just spam dive kick with berserk ring equipped?

Tifa is the most busted character in the game with one combo: square, square, hold square, dive kick. Even more busted with unfettered fury active, with haste and bravery cast.

>>715637461
Hey, when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Eat shit.

>>715637542
>why have fun when I can make the game boring instead?
Autism.

>>715637010
truly

>>715636883
That would have been good too. First part would have been the entirety of the original FF7, second part would have been a retelling of FF:AC, and a third part an official sequel to FF:AC.

They could have done it too if they removed the useless padding from the FF7 remake.

I'm also surprised there aren't more original FF7 clones from indie devs.

>>715585987 (OP)
>w-why ddidn't Square Enix c-cater to the niche turn-nigger a-audience!!!!???`
Because you don't buy turn-based games. You don't even buy turn-based Final Fantasy games, which is why Lightning Returns flopped.

Also, nobody ever asked for 1:1 remake. If you want the same fucking game, then just replay Final Fantasy VII.

>>715637876
sorry anon but ff7 is too big to be remade as a modern AAA game
so we made it 10 times longer

>>715637940
where the hell have you been all day? 7R is taking a serious mauling without you here

>>715637940
Is this supposed to be bad sales for a new IP by a developer that had a shoestring budget in comparison to Final Fantasy mainline titles?
If anything this proves the moment someone starts encroaching upon Square-ENIX in the realm of AAA j-rpgs they are basically fucked.

>>715637940
>Lighting Returns
>Turn based
Nigger I'm genuinely playing this game right now, in what way is this game turn based?

>>715638756
Do you get to take an action before it's your turn?

>>715638493
>the moment someone starts encroaching upon Square-ENIX in the realm of AAA j-rpgs
That's the thing, they won't because jrpgs still sell too low. Metaphor was also in dev hell for 7 years at least, and they are struggling with P4R
Jrpg is just too risky since gachas stole a lot of audience and most jrpgfags have brooms inside their assholes

>>715631737
>>715629564
>talks about the plate drop
>talks about the second reactor
Lol what a fucking retard. what this proves is that remake troons never actually played the real game.

>>715639056
Yes, I have a ATB bar that acts like a stamina bar.

>>715639056
That's not what "turn based" means you dumbass. The progression of turns is taken with time, so it cannot be turn based.

>>715589054
Either you didn't play the game, didn't play the original, and/or the themes went way over your head.
I'm going to go with all 3.

>>715639393
He's only talking about the reactor, duh. What're you, gay?

>>715639502
>The progression of turns
>turns

What we have learned today:
there is no proof of the claim that shinra blew up any reactors in the original game.

>>715639732
Except reactor 13.

>>715639368
hahahahahahaha holy shit

>>715587019
they still left the dildos and toys on the tables in the basement from the spicier alt

>>715639795
true true
I am an og expert who has never played remake (wink)
president shinra EXPLICITLY says avalanche have wasted their fireworks with EXPLICITY tells us that shinra blew up reactors 1, 5, 7 and 13

>>715639368
this is were I walked out

>>715639732
I actually misremembered them being responsible for the Sector 5 explosion until this thread set me straight. But that guy hurt my feelings when he did so now I think the Remakes are better than the original. The cycle of violence might never end. . .

>>715585987 (OP)
>Remake the old classic with better visuals and perhaps add some extra content, patch some plot holes and that's it.

but they literally did that though. lol

>>715585987 (OP)
Soul and soulless

>>715585987 (OP)
It's a vanity project

>>715586324
We all miss Squaresoft anon

>>715639648
The existence of turns does not make a turn based system. The basis of the progression is what matters.
There are literally TWO WORDS in the phrase "turn based". One is turn. The other is what matters.

>>715634818
>buy FF7 remake expecting to play FF7 in ultra beautiful HD

you can literally still do that with mods. The remakes dont invalidate or replace the original story. Nothing is retconned because it is its own new thing.

>>715640480
>patch some plot holes
>but they literally did that though

>>715586440
>At least this place is good for a laugh.

You can say that again

>>715640480
Yeah, badly

>>715586440
Based /v/ lurker

>>715640480
that introduced plot holes. 7R is more plot holes than plot. and if you look at the environments, designs and colors, the visuals are worse too.

>>715587810
Love you FarisGod

>>715640918
Sadly true

>>715640613
Of course it does. Your characters can't act outside their own turn, i.e. the battle system is built around characters receiving a turn. Whether that is based on speed stats or simply from having a preset order doesn't matter.

>>715593247
Rip Dragon Quest XII and KH4

>>715593647
Take for instance Trials of Mana, Crash and Spyro Remake Trilogies, and Resident Evil which all managed to be on a single disc.

>>715586440
Watch as the OGfags shit their pants at the mere thought of their bait and faux rage means fuck all in the grand scheme of things.

>>715639502
>>715638756
ATB is turn-based system, you idiot.

They failed because they have no vision. All they did was chase popular trends to ensure as wide of an audience as possible.

God I want to fuck Cloud

>>715641398
you sure do post a lot about this for someone who doesn't care
are you still going to bitch about tendies once 7r is on switch 2?

>>715611508
>>715611870
>>715612782
>>715611974
>OG has Cloud punch the shit out of Aeriths face
>In Rebirth Cloud just chases Aerith on some old magic roots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG38BYU_Dh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqa03_TBi7A

Cmon bro dump the whole turn troon folder, you know you want to. Where's the 3 years of sales post?
Not that you care what anyone on /v/ says

>>715610457
>>Everyone who gives a shit about Final Fantasy is above the age of 18
>Just another day and Square-Enix misreading the market.
It's because they haven't made a good FF ever since the merger which was like 20 years ago.
There are barely new fans incoming because they're not delivering anything good.

>>715642892
Imagine how many new fans a good remake of FF7 would have brought in. By making a sequel instead they turned down that golden opportunity.

>>715601487
Bleak but accurate

>>715642635
More getting to play the remake and it's sequels would only help bolster and spread its presence, tendies or otherwise. You seem upset.

>>715629564
TAX HIKE!
TAX HIKE!

>>715641925
>>715637940
FF has been trying to be an action game for a long time now.
Say what you want about XVI but at least it stopped pretending to be a turnbased RPG
>You don't even buy turn-based Final Fantasy games, which is why Lightning Returns flopped.
Lighting Returns flopped because XIII was fucking dogshit and everyone just wanted a new mainline FF game. One of the longest console gens gave us three FF games which are all connected to each other.
Meanwhile older consoles got each 2-3 games which told their own story and were unique in their own way
Stop it with this shit
>>715590502
>>715587748

>>715643039
so no more bitching about tendies? that must have freed up a lot of time for you

>>715643275
What is your obssesion with tendies man, what are you even on about

>>715643019
I’m one such fan. Remake is my first experience with FF7 past watching relatives play it when I was younger, and now I’m a fan for life. I think it’s funny people like you doubt how much everyone loves what they’re doing.

SE never made a good FF game, why would they start now?

>>715585987 (OP)
3 games
Also millenials are too fucking old now, should have existed 15 years sooner
>But persona...!
Who knows, maybe 35 years old zoomers won't enjoy being called old when Persona 6 is out

>>715643019
They got a bunch of fans with the remake. It's just that it could've been way more influential. The writing and pacing is just shit.
Honestly I think the reason why the interest in turn based games went down is because everything that made those games good, was gone. Suddenly the genre only had those t weird, obscure japanese titles which don't do anything particularly well.
FF7R is still popular but if it had a good pacing and not some of the weird dogshit elements like time jannies, it would've been way more successful and popular.
BG3 and E33 are turn based games and people love them. The games got a strong cast, good writing, and presentation and excellent music

>>715643579
>everyone
lol

>>715643780
Jrpgs are in a weird position since weeb aesthetic doesn't sell that much. Realistic jrpgs are also expensive as fuck

>>715643617
You're a little late to the party le baguette

>>715586072
it's still bad

>>715586072
Just like Evangelion! What's up with japanese?

>>715610326
>>715610457
The lack of blood was extremely jarring. Especially considering that a game like FF16 was developed a few hallways down kek

>>715643579
>everyone loves what they’re doing.
I guess that's why the steam numbers for rebirth are worse than... literally anything else you compare it to

>>715644324
And higurashi
And soon, trails remake

>>715585987 (OP)
>How did square enix fuck the remake so badly?
>we cant do the same story again it wouldn't be interesting, lets add MULTIVERSE and make three games instead of one

>>715644443
>steam charts autism

>>715644443
>Second part of a trilogy

>>715644510
or ps5 sales.. or anything.

>>715643848
Weeb aesthetic and writing is the issue
Which was fine back then because you had more options but with the PS2 that genre got really weird and never really found a place or outgrew that phase.
In a genre where good worldbuilding, writing and characters are really important, JRPGs started to suck in that regard a lot.

>>715585987 (OP)
>On paper it should have been a rock solid plan.

No it wasn't. Remaking a game without voices, jpeg backgrounds, and turn-based combat with random encounters into a modern 3D game with completely different mechanics is far from simple. They did make some stupid decisions which are unrelated to the difficulty of creating this remake which could've been avoided (e.g. time jannies and all that crap) but it was an ambitious project. I would say it could've been much worse.

>tifa says the word retard
>”Um, listen chud-I mean Sony. This is a big problem.”
>cope.exe
>bad game output

>>715644510
>EVERYONE LOVES IT!
>as long as you ignore the actual numbers

>>715643579
>everyone loves what they’re doing.
Everyone loves the original. It's what captivates the new players as well.
It's just modern/improved gameplay with a great graphical overhaul.
Same with SH2. The remake is kinda shit but the original is so good, that the shit in the remake doesn't ruin it completely

>>715637247
>it sucks on purpose!!

>>715586072
What's the name of the sequel?
REMAKE

>>715589054
I have a friend who's this stupid. I tried explaining to him that the game is a sequel, not a remake and he's just like "Uhhh, but it's called Remake?" People are dumb as fuck.

There are some truly bizarre story decision in Rebirth. Especially for new players. Immediately revealing that the Nibelheim flashback was a lie, why? You ruined the best twist in the game. At some point in the middle Marlene turns to the camera and straight up says Sephiroth kills Aerith. Again, why ruin the surprise for new players?

>>715585987 (OP)
I thought it was one of the greatest games of all time
>T. didn't play the original

>>715644715
>>715644927
>PUBG IS THE GREATEST GAME EVER MADE ALL OTHERS FUCKING SUCK DONKEY DICKS IN COMPARISON
>HOW DO I KNOW? LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS BITCH

>>715645294
>EVERYONE LOVES IT!
>it just sold bad, that's all

>>715645172
Playing it safe

>>715645172
/v/ is ten times more likely to spoil the game than anyone else

>>715645172
>Especially for new players
it isn't made for new players, that's why they want you to be confused about other things this time

>>715645379
*stops borrowing my brother's copy and goes and buys it out of spite*

>>715645172
Because they're going to fill part 3 with eve more surprises

>>715586417
BEST
GAME
EVAR!!

I hate how the tifa redesign has completely overtaken cosplay and fan art

>>715646836
Fujos dont play the games anon

I'm playing the og, Is Fort condon optional? I'm not liking the mini game
And i don't want to waste money

>>715647213
yeah you can skip it

My annecdotal baseless claim that everyone loves Rebirth is rock solid proof of its success.
Just ignore the actual sales and player numbers, and SEs own announcement saying they're disappointed by the sales which fell below expectations

>>715585987 (OP)
They didn't. Rebirth is peak.

>>715647213
You can skip it, but there is a mandatory story quest tied to it on disc 2, when you get to that part of the story though you can skip the minigame by just letting the enemy invade and fight the boss.

>>715647571
You sound miserable

>>715646836
It's Tifa's skirt which is way more comfortable to cosplay

>>715585987 (OP)
>square enix
the real question is when will they finally pay for their chronic retardation

Is FF the most over rated series in existence?

>>715648136
Nope. It's kino.

Part 3 when

>>715648327
2027/2028.

>>715645172
The initial idea was probably to make the Remake version a sequel where you save Aerith but backpedaled
They should have gone full schizo

>>715648003
-you- sound miserable

>>715648327
Hopefully never.

>>715648432
>Could be a minor when remake was announced and in 30s by the time it finishes
Jesus fucking christ

>>715648327
They already have the open world done so sooner than we think I guess

>>715645020
look up the meaning of the word Sefirot, and then scratch your chin and think really hard about Sephiroth's relationship to Jenova, okay bud?

>>715648674
It may even worse with Persona. I keep thinking zoomers won't like being called old whenever Persona 6 comes. P5 came at the ideal age where millennials were young and zoomers were teens/young adults

>>715585987 (OP)
The only people who bought it were waifu fags and husbando niggers

>>715648432
I see thanks

>>715648674
Yeah a good 12 to 13 years from announcing it to finishing it. I believe at some point the plan was to do it in 2 parts, they probably should have gone for it. Really stretching it out too long.

>>715601487
Exactly

>>715648003
Actually I'm quite happy that you were btfo and are reduced to this since facts are on my side

>>715648552
>>715649215
>So assblasted it needed to reply twice
Kek, stay here with your usual passive aggressive tone in every ff thread femcel

>>715648690
What's your point?
Yes, I know Jenova is the real villain but she speaks and acts through Sephiroth so the distinction quite frankly does not matter
It sucks either way

I want Rufus to rape me
Please make him playable

>>715647213
Yeah up until a certain point but you can just let them win

>>715585987 (OP)
Final Fantasy Remake isn't a remake. Its a quasi-reboot like Star Trek 2009

>>715649453
it actually does matter, and doesn't suck.

>>715649542
Now how is he gonna rape you if you are controlling him idiot head

>>715649746
Y-you are right!

>>715636123
I wasn't exaggerating about 10 gigs. RAM btw, not disk space.

>>715649746
>>715649803
These are the people that bought the demake, these tranime AGP types

>>715649383
I wasn't the dude you originally responded to, and you still sound miserable :)

>>715649864
>Buzzwords
>Projecting

>>715585987 (OP)
im playing through the first remake, 10 hours in and its OK its does feel like a fucking long prologue and the gosh shenanigans and flashbacks are getting annoying.

>>715649948
>buzzwords
That's a buzzword that means "i can't read and I don't know how to handle common slang"

>>715585987 (OP)
How bad did they mess up the Aerith death scene?

He is so fucking sexy

>>715646836
The redesign looks good.

>>715650001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELwZg5UG_VA

>>715646836
its just good anon

>>715648674
>and in 30s by the time it finishes
nothing wrong with being 30 when something you waited for finally comes out. ex, ive been waiting for the third madoka movie since i was 20 and it's finally coming out next year and i'll be 32 kek

>>715639368
This makes zoomers shit piss and cum

>>715650156
oh wow that's terrible

>>715650815
Look another tranime avatar

Time jannies

>>715650871
meds

>one remake game for 3x(60$)+tip

LMAO

>>715650908
The meds won't make you a woman

>>715650871
>>715651028
Go back to your agp peach thread xister

>>715597653
Agreed. This board sucks most of the time and I barely browse it anymore.

>>715651076
But I thought us tranime addicts were here to talk about having sex with video game men

>>715649383
See >>715649215
And you're getting madder to boot, lol

>>715651186
FF and DMC cause certain fanbase tons of butthurt

If /v/ is wrong about this game being bad, why didnt it sell better? Who knew /v/ had so much influence...

>>715651436
Who is /v/?

>>715651076
Dunno if that Rufus anon is a fujo or a faggot but that's the smtvfujo, she only wants smtv yaoi threads and she used to sperg against Persona 5 waifu threads, it's why you won't see her spam tranime when she spam her smtv threads
t. Persona5veteran

>>715651478
Ask the guy who said /v/ is always wrong

>>715651436
Why should people buy part 2 of a remake? Also
>Sales
So Fortnite and Roblox are the best games ever

>>715651520
>Yaoi with FF bad
>Yaoi with smt v good
Why are women like this kek

>>715636010
His AC design is cool though. I like the semi ronin drip mixed with the black Matrix biker aesthetic

I love how 7Rfags loved nothing more than salesposting right up until Rebirth
Oh and GOTY was important right up until... well, I'm sure you can guess LOL

>>715651436
>/v/
>The one that bans popular games that are not from a certain company
>The one crying about bots
>The one saying normalfags sales don't count

>>715651779
Now now anon, we're friends with tendies now, we're counting on them to improve 7Rs sales, so be nice

>>715651758
I love how you never posted your game while spamming screen bait posts

>>715651847
Nobody wants to be your friends, tendie shitters, you are backstabbing cucks, see your fake alliance with PC

>>715651858
What are you yammering about bro

>>715651847
Don't worry tendie sister if a future FF sells really well we will pretend we were always friends!

Will you get to go back to Midgar in part 3?

Why are FF7fags so autistic?

>>715651937
I was hoping all VIIR criticism would disappear once the game came to PC, but it only got worse since then. I'm confident the game coming to switch 2 will be the end of negative VIIR posting though.

>>715651758
>Bg3 was botted
>Sales are important but if this non Nintendo game is too popular it must be banned to /vg/
Haha....

>>715591242
Probably a little bit, but I doubt he's the one pushing it this hard. He probably just likes the idea enough to be willingly run with it when told to.

>>715587019
WTF I love Toriyama now. What a based Chad

>>715652172
...ok I confess, I use over the top sarcasm because I never got over FF's popularity during my Nintendo years

Is there ANY game Rebirth is more popular than? Ideally not just another SE game, that's a low bar

>>715652171
50 year old manchildren who still can't let go of the past

>>715652314
You don't say anon, nobody noticed that. Nobody noticed how you are larping as a fanboy to screenshot your posts later to continue your ranting

>>715652172
its never coming to the switch2

>>715652171
They're mindbroken because they spent decades believing ff7 was the biggest thing in the world and then they got remakes that sold like shit and were deeply unpopular and now they have to accept the IP they dedicated their lives to is actually cringe

>>715652395
Sounds like Nintendies

>>715608272
Problem is that, for example, Rebirth is a story-mess. You don't understand a thing if you play it for the first time. The OG had a very straight forward story. It was easy to understand.

>>715585987 (OP)
for me its the combat, its just fucking annoying and boring having to 60 hit combo some fucking trash mob, then some little faggot appears witch challenges and more combat, and you are already bored to death with the side quests.

anyway hopefully in 5 years when its all out on PC coomer mods will make it hold my attention

>>715652484
>A remake dictates everything
>Ignores context
That's retarded. If re4r was divided in 3 parts and lasted 10 years it would sell that much
Also ff7OG is still good, stop seeking for validation

>>715601487
Yeah, what's the problem??

>>715652171
No one here remembers Final Fantasy House?

>>715652484
Anon as much shit the remake is ff7 is still popular.

>>715652665
Waifu niggers have no taste

>>715652627
>If re4r was divided in 3 parts and lasted 10 years
Wow what a retarded idea
But if Nomura says its a good idea then I agree and will.fight anyone who says otherwise

>>715652621
>coomer secondary
Disregarded

>>715652760
Stay mad Aerithfag. Enjoy watching Cloud and Tifa plap under the Highwind

>>715652896
>porn addiction speaks
And I don't listen

>>715652713
Nintentroons are just bitter retards, like that Samusfag saying tomb raider is less popular than Metroid

>>715650259
It looks like trash

Yuffie is the only good thing about FF7

>>715652810
Anon I know you hate the remake more than I do, no need to do this shit with me smtvfag, you were already obnoxious during P5 threads

Remake turned into a slog in the final third. I was forcing myself to finish it.
I was assured rebirth improved everything. It was 100 times more of a slog. I never drop a game but I had to do it. No regrets.

>>715597653
>They are definitively better than the original in every way except [The most important fucking thing about Final Fantasy VII]
Seriously

>>715586867
>Kino's in your path
Nothing personal kid. Honestly you could have just said "i never played any squaresoft game" and i would be ok with it, but being a retard? Nah, fuck you.

>>715653239
Looks clunky

>>715653201
It's not even true otherwise.
Someone who starts FF7 and plays it to the end is going to have more fun than someone who starts Remake, then plays Intermission, and then Rebirth. By the end of all that they will be miserable.

>>715652484
FF is still popular in a weird way. Every jrpg is compared to FF, not DQ, or Persona, or Metaphor
Almost every ff thread reaches the bump limit
Everything is always focused on what FF will be about. Silent Hill was also forgotten for years but now suddenly people larp as fans. You never know how many will jump to "FF IS BACK????" since controversy and obsessed haters keep the discussion of a game alive believe or not

It's like oot, they say it's the best game ever but in reality it sold less than many indies but people still talk about it.
Not to mention sales are kinda weird now since people are not going to buy multiple versions of a game anymore (I bought many of those FF in different versions, gba, psp, PC, PS3, vita, Xbox, it doesn't mean I'm different people now), many like me just buy ONE copy now since I moved to PC

>>715653383
Porn addicts love the remake obviously

>>715653389
>the simpsons is still popular guys, haha... when a new animated show comes along they compare it to the simpsons... this PROVES the simpsons is STILL GOOD!

>>715653383
>Porn addicts love the remake obviously

>>715653389
Someday you'll get over people liking E33. Someday.
But not yet. Not for a long time.

>>715653509
That's not even porn, old hag

>>715653383
I'm glad some people are making Yuffie porn but it's so often wasted on a shinra guard or some faceless anon male body. Make it Cloud and it's immediately 100 times hotter.

>>715653581
Lol you're not supposed to reply to me dumbass basedjak nigger

>>715610302
Seriously, they must have gone out of their way and tracks to produce a mess like this.

>>715653591
>Says the smtvtroon triggered at people liking P5

Any criticism you have of Rebirth is moot because Remake shipped and digitally sold 7 million copies when you combine both the original and intergrade versions and include free PS+ downloads as sales.
And soon the Switch 2 will catapult the sales beyond 15 million.

Cope and seethe.

>>715653867
Oh anon, I'm sorry, we decided sales don't matter anymore.

>>715653867
>muh sales equals quality
Chinese hands typed this

>>715610302
Collecting Enemy skills was fruitful in the original game, for there was some of them (that someone would define as being broken), that would give the character a consistent boost, and it must be said that, without the possibility to know where to catch them, and the fact that some of the defensive materia (like Barrier/MBarrier) was available only late in the first disc, having some of the could be really fight-changing. In Remake they're boring and useless, for you don't have the possibility to plan their use like before, for the fights are too much active and focused on rushing to beat the enemy.

>>715653335
Honestly the Wanzer's (that's the name of the mech) controls pretty well, and yes if you dash the thing does a little animation where it recoils a little bit, but that's part of the experience, if you played Assault Suilt Valken then it's basically the same, and you can customize your wanzer's arsenal and upgrade it's appereance and gadgets.