O Chosen Undead, pick two.

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/INT

souls games are for beta male white bois with tiny white peckers who think beating this boring game is a life achievement

>Demon's Souls: Faith and Int
>Dark Souls: Int and Dexterity
>Dark Souls 2: Strength and Dexterity
>Dark Souls 3: Strength and Dexterity
>Elden Ring: Strength and Faith
>Nightreign: Recluse

>>715631732
>Faith and Int
an oxymoron

FUCK FAI FUCK INT QUALITY GANG yes not leveraging the busted weapon buffs of FAI or INT is shooting yourself in the foot but idgaf.

>>715631732
>Demon's Souls: Faith and Int
Turbo gay.
>Dark Souls: Int and Dexterity
Kinda gay but rapiers are super fun.
>Dark Souls 2: Strength and Dexterity
Gay.
>Dark Souls 3: Strength and Dexterity
Gay.
>Elden Ring: Strength and Faith
Gay.

>>715631487 (OP)
Dexterity and faith

>>715631487 (OP)
INT/STR

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength and faith.

>>715631773

>>715631809
Magic is too objectively good in the first two games to pass up, quality is too objectively good in the next two to pass up, Elden Ring anything can be broken so I just picked what I like

>>715631487 (OP)
Str + Int mustard race, workout at both the gym AND library.

Faith and Faith

>>715631575
That has only ever been good in Bloodborne

INT/FAITH

>>715632030
It's kino in Elden Ring.

>>715631773
Always been a thing

For first playthroughs:

>DeS
BBS luck meme build
>DaS
Dex/Fai
>DaS2
Dex/Int/Fai for the busted dark magic
>DaS3
Can't remember at all, didn't like the game much
>ER
Dex + Int

>>715631487 (OP)
INT/FTH

>>715632167
>Both a phoneposter and AI slopper
wew lad

>>715632069
No, the game still tries to pidgeonhole you pretty hard into dex/int, str/faith, or int/faith (arcane)

>>715632054
god tier in DaS2, either mid or absolutely useless in all the others

>dex/fth

>>715631487 (OP)
str/dex so i can rely on my own body and be a master of arms
miss me with that pansy magic shit

>>715631487 (OP)

>>715631487 (OP)
In a videogame? Strength and Dexterity. IRL? Strength and Intellgience.

>>715631487 (OP)
strength and strength
whoever chooses anything else is an actual retard

Pure caster always and forever
>DeS pure int
>DaS1 pure int
>DaS2 int/faith
>DaS3 pure shit
>ER int/faith

ER is a bitch because there's technically 5 caster stats
Int
Faith
Arc
Mind
Dex (for cast speed cause doing anything like DaS2 is forbidden)

>>715631487 (OP)
SL1

>>715631487 (OP)
str faith then i never actually use faith

>>715632583
miyazaki is such a goddamn hack for always tying casting speed to dex. In DaS1 it inherently gives dex hybrid builds a huge edge over strength hybrids. And in DaS3 and ER the stat requirements for casters are so high that they can't afford to be a dex hybrid anyway, which just means always having an item/ring slot taken up by something like sage's ring.

>>715631487 (OP)
I put all my souls into upgrading my Pyromancy flame instead of investing in any stats.

>>715633716
That shit only matters if you're trying to min/max Souls pvp like some sort of faggot.

>>715631487 (OP)
Str/Int, of course

>>715631487 (OP)
Dex and Int

>>715631773
Faith and reason go hand in hand.

VIT and END

>>715632275
Gravity weapons are just Int

>>715634035
Correction
>that shit didn't matter until DaS3 onwards
Or are you one of the fags that thinks casting should just be spamming basic fucking soul arrow cause its only thing you'll manage to cast when phase 3 fucker of cunts begins his 12 step combo that spawns enough particle effects to melt your asshole?

>>715632275
Lighting AoW's scale with Dex
Every weapon thematically aligned with gravity magic is Str/int
Dragón Incantations are Fth/Arc
Blood weapons are Dex/Arc
There aren't as many options but they exist and are viable

>>715634572
It's absolute bullshit how the meteorite staff isn't a proper STR/INT scaling staff that can also be upgraded like all the other staffs. Gravity is very clearly supposed to be STR oriented but in-game there's not actually anything to make it mesh together.

>elden ring finally includes a hybrid casting tool
>its scaling is absolute trash even after pumping a ridiculous amount of levels into int+faith

>>715631487 (OP)
I would likely pick str/dex on an unknown game. You never know how strong magic is, if it's limited, etc. Str/dex is always safe and generally never bricks.

If i'm picking off of what is fun/cool, I'd probably go int/faith for all the cool spells or dex/faith for some kind of schizo religious murderer build.

>>715635594
Isn't the Prince of Death staff the best one at high Int/Fth?
Or do you mean the "Can cast any spell" tools?

>>715635897
the latter. Like how DS2 had the witch's staff that could cast all schools of magic.

How is the sword that lets you cast spells in Elden Ring? How about its original version in Dark Souls 2? ive been wanting to try that out and i was wondering how it compares to simply having a sword and a wand

>>715636386
blue flame sword was goated. the caster rapier in ER is complete trash.

>>715636386
The Blue Flame (DS2) is the GOAT. Second best sorcery catalyst in the game, mace moveset, super high magic damage. It even looks sexy.
The ER equivalent is okay. Better than DS3's version, at least.

>>715632245
>no argument
I refuse to accept your concession
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lay_Catholic_scientists
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_clergy_scientists

>>715631487 (OP)
>Demon's Souls
Dragon Bone Smasher + cursed weapon
>Dark Souls
27/40 quality build
>Dark Souls 2
Either a hex build or a dex/faith lightning chaos blade build
>Dark Souls 3
Sellsword twinblades dex build or exile greatsword strength build
>Bloodborne
Strength build
>Elden Ring
Faith/Arcane or Strength/Faith

Str/Dex
>all these magic fags
Knew this series was for shitters, I hope they make more bosses like consort radahn so you fucks can't cast your little twinkle pixie dust without eating shit.

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength and Faith is all i need.

>>715636936
It's a fantasy game, you faggot. Being a wizard is cool.

>>715636386
Casting weapons are generally weaker than their pure casting counterparts but balance it out by allowing you to chain spells into your attack combos.
Blue Flame like what other anons said was fantastic all around
The DS3 weapons were all mech except for the Pyromancy one, Demon's Scar which dealt pure fire damage and allowed you to cast Vestiges as part of your attack chain
The ER ones are to weak for make it worth it.

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/FAITH

>>715636873
Don't bother, anon. It's /v/, do you really think anyone would actually care to learn about how Christianity helped scientific studies? They probably think that the Spanish Inquisition burned witches or that Galileo was imprisoned because the church decided heliocentrism violated the Bible.

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength/Faith
Dex/Int

>>715631575
Why? So you can buff your hammer or great sword with magic? But then have damage completely fall off in the second half and dlc because everything has a massive magic resistance.

The prob with souls magic is it's ass most of the time unless you go all in on it and nothing else

>>715631487 (OP)
>DaS1
Dex+Int
>DaS2
Str+Dex
>DaS3
Int+Fai
>ER
Str+Fai

>>715637742
IIRC, Manus's Catalyst scales with Strength when it comes to dark sorceries and its physical attack

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/DEX

>>715637117
>muh fantussy
Fantasize while me and two phantoms stagger you non stop anytime you raise your piss baby stick.
>p-p-pvp is lame!
Nah you're just mad cause you can't play the game outside of ez mode

>>715633716
dex already has an inherent edge over STR thanks to weapon buffs, the faster the weapon the better the buff because all they do is add a flat amount of damage. this is why you run DEX/INT for both magic weapon and faster soul arrows and such

>>715631487 (OP)
INT/FTH

>>715632314
>God Tier in DaS2
Enjoy being relegated to spamming Dark Orb all game
>either mid or absolutely useless in all the others
Pyro was genuinely the easiest run I've done of DaS3, your options are just so fucking strong even against DLC. Dark Sorcery is also fun but too much heavily resists Dark so you kind of have to use Pyro anyway.

>>715637972
>And two phantoms
>Bragging about PvP in co-op mode
???

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/FTH
Elite knight set
Still use claymore cuz I want to and crest shield
Dragonslayer greatbow
Talisman for comfy miracles
Pendent gift
Succeed Lord Gwyn
Yup it's Dark Souls time

>>715631732
Demons Souls: Faith
Dark Souls: Dex
Dark Souls 2: Int and Faith
Dark Souls 3: Strength

>>715633716
DaS3 had a simple fix in just offhanding the cast speed talisman (gives 99 virtual dex even if you just hold it). ER has too much passive damage buff autism, you can't really give up an extra 20% damage for a meer 30 virtual dex.

>>715631809
Why is there no true int rapier and no faith katana in Elden Ring? its weird

>>715635897
PoD only catches up to pure catalyst at around 70/70, it's actual dog shit.
Golden Seal is much more reasonable but the spells aren't worth it.

>>715638158
>abloo bloo bloo bloo bloo
>I invaded another world and got my shit shoved in
So magic fags just resort to whining? Maybe level up vigor and endurance so you don't disappear when you get slapped once.

>>715631773
Some people are smart enough to recognize their limits and accept an "it is what it is" state for everything beyond them
But you're half correct, most are stupid enough to make up contrivances for easily solvable conundrums

>>715631487 (OP)
STR + DEX

Use resins for weapon buffing and various items to make up for a lack of magic. Also DaS3 going back to the mp system of DeS was a mistake. Magic is too op in these games and should always be limited number of casts per spell.

>>715639039
>Magic is too op in these games and should always be limited number of casts per spell.
I agree, Dark Souls 2 really sold me on it when I had to grind faggot lizards by jumping off a fucking cliff and hoping DaS2's dogshit hit detection didn't fuck me while I spent dozens of hours looking for casts of my BASIC BREAD AND BUTTER SPELL.

>>715639604
The salamanders are extremely weak to poison and toxic mist.

>>715639604
Why the hell were you grinding? Base spells have tons of casts in DS2. And you can just use your infused dagger or longsword to dispatch the occasional mook.

>>715639848
>You should make the grind take even longer by using DoT
Brilliant

>>715640025
>Base spells have tons of casts in DS2.
Your sorcery privilege is showing, Int tard

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength and more strength.

Intelligence and faith
Purely to oneshot asspies like these cum dumpsters
>>715632342
>>715639039
>>715637896
Especially this one
>>715636936

>>715631487 (OP)
STR+FTH, because only the faithful can be truly strong.

>>715640148
Offensive faith casting in NG is not a real thing in any Souls game.

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/RES

>>715631487 (OP)
Dex/faith lightning halberd

>>715631487 (OP)
str/str

ER is occult territory

>>715639604
Many seemed to think DaS2 was hard but I only did 1 or maybe 2 playthroughs of it. I can't remember if I did 2 but 1 was for sure. So anyways I had those Zeus lightning bolts miracle and maybe a few others on my character that I cannot remember. I had a high faith stat also iirc. I remember the bosses mostly becoming a cake walk as was the game itself since I could just lob magic/miracles at all my enemies. And keep in mind this is a game that limited your casts to a set number.

It amazes me how they knew back in DeS how overpowered their spells could be yet still decided to go back to that system with DaS3 which is an unrelated game and didn't even need to go back to such a system anyways. Also not apposed to casts being able to be raised somehow but as long as its kept within reasonable limits. This is really the best way they could balance the magic in these games due to how combat works. Spells are always going to be inherently op.

>>715640043
It's the one game where those status effects chew through healthbars in seconds.

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength faith. Always.

>>715640282
Ignoring the fact that DaS1 and 3 exist, my specific example was about Pyromancy.

>>715631487 (OP)
I pick END + HP, using a lightning infused weapon + heavy armor

>>715632314
INT/FTH is busted in DS3

Chillest Dark Souls 1 option is just Vit.
Yeah, that's right, chaos infusion.

>>715631487 (OP)
STR and more STR. Fuck parrying, I have Havel's shield. Fuck spells, I'll turn everything into a splatter on the ground.

>>715641240
>Pump vit
>Fully upgrade Pyro flame
>Equip my Lightning Infused Reinforced Club
Yeah... it's gaming time.

>>715631487 (OP)
Intelligence and Faith

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/DEX.

Yep, it's roll sloppa time.

STR/INT
crossbow in one hand
staff in the other

Str Arc

Strength and Dexterity

DEX/INT
magic katana
homing soulmass

>>715631487 (OP)
Dexterity/Faith

How come nobody ever goes dex/faith?

>>715631487 (OP)
Int/Faith. I will be a magnificent spellcaster.

>>715631487 (OP)
luck

>>715631487 (OP)
Dex/Dex

>>715644475
There aren't many good dex/faith weapons. Euporia I guess but that's really pure faith with a dex requirement. Waves of Piss too but that's just a gank/farm tool.

>>715640672
Its because of the Weapon Art system.
They wanted a limiting factor on using weapon arts and tying that to a meter made sense as the only other option in durability leading to the kind of "bookkeeping" they had been moving away from.
From there is you have a separate bar for WA you might as well use it for spells as an MP bar for efficiency sake instead of having two different "MP" systems.

>>715631487 (OP)
i choose body type B

>>715631487 (OP)
how do i into STR. I started my first playthrough of DS1 with STR and use the bastard sword only because it's the fastest STR sword i could find, i then switched the DEX and finished the game. I wanna play DS2 with STR but i can't into the slow attacks. I have no idea how i would've beaten artorias for example with a slow sword. Also random mobs are annoying to deal with with a slow weapon (especially slower shit like hammers and the likes)

>>715645920
>Play patiently
>Learn how to space
>Primarily two hand to reach earlier two handing soft cap, pump hp with extra stats

>>715645920
>>715646112
Also you will stagger a lot more enemies with a Str weapon.

Dex/Faith

>>715645920
Go full tank, DaS2 is the only game in the series that rewards strength builds with more defense from heavy armors.
Das2 has a bit of variety for strength weapons
>bone scythe
>gargoyle spear
>butcher knife
But if you want to chunk healthbars great hammers are required.

>>715644475
it's a snowflake contrarian nigger build. It takes forever to become "online" because there's absolutely no synergy between dex and faith aside from lightning/holy infusion.

faith is basically a wikifag stat in every game because there's no telling where to get offensive holy, so you're basically speccing into an off-tank, which is usually not a great idea because there's far better tanking options than faith (e.g. blocking, estus, armor, stamina).

you either just end up building pure dex and having all your damage come from dex, or you take a leap of faith and build faith until you find your weapon and then infuse with holy so it's not underpowered, which was the original intent of weapon infusions; to compensate for incompatible stat requirements and to basically allow int/fth fags the ability to use melee, the same way str/dex fags use crossbows/bows to have ranged options.

Hybrid offensive stats builds were never intentional design and the games are very clear on punishing it wherever it shows up. The 'correct' set-up is always
>level up your non-offensive stats as much as you can (hp, equip burden, stamina, attunement, etc.)
>get the bare minimum of an offensive stat needed to equip your shit (spells, armor, weapons, etc.).
>upgrade the shit out of your weapon

if you break this pattern, 9 times out of 10 the games will feel like shit.

literally the only reason to use faith in a souls game, is because you want to play blind, and have no guarantee where you'll find the next bonfire. Then you can explore for longer amounts of time in case you run out of healing items. Elden Ring is probably the only souls game where faith became a viable stat on its own. Dark souls 2 tried, but it sucks shit post-nerf.

>>715644428
>>715631845

>>715646294
Nice pest threads webm

>>715646763
Maybe you're just bad

>>715631773
Faith is an emotion, int is reason. Its foolish to give one up for the other.

>>715631487 (OP)
Dex twice.

>>715646709
Armor sucks in DaS2 and everything has infinite poise.
Genuinely the biggest gulf between Dex and Str in any Souls game.

>>715646763
In Demons Souls the infusion gives you passive regen, which is nice.
Unfortunately, this is a game is unlimited healing items so it is far from unique.

>>715631487 (OP)
The patrician Chad pick:
Strength and Faith + Mace

>>715631732
>Dark Souls 2: Strength and Dexterity
Don't make that mistake like I did. Quality builds fucking suck in DaS2. Dex is only useful for reaching the requirement of a weapon you want to use and then you should go int or maybe faith for the buffs, preferably dark.

>>715631732
>>Dark Souls 2: Strength and Dexterity
Elemental weapons were very powerful in DS2 though so I wonder why

>>715646763
>The 'correct' set-up is always
>level up your non-offensive stats as much as you can (hp, equip burden, stamina, attunement, etc.)
>get the bare minimum of an offensive stat needed to equip your shit (spells, armor, weapons, etc.).
>upgrade the shit out of your weapon
Yeah, that's why the stat scaling on weapons increases over time, retard.
You're only half right, you pump hp until you start getting diminishing returns and then you pump whatever offensive stat makes your AR go up more. DaS1 and 2 practically assume you're build quality the way softcaps work, single stat Str or Dex autism is 3's fault.

>>715647253
>Dex is bad in the game with broken rapiers and the fucking retarded Flynn Ring

>>715647253
>Quality builds fucking suck in DaS2.
You guys love to make these declarative statements about things that are just untrue. DS2 has some of the best quality weapons in the series like Red Iron Twinblade, Blue Moon greatsword, and a score of other dumb shit. You're just bad.

>>715631487 (OP)
Pure INT but with enough STR to two hand a UGS.

Dex/Fai

>>715646763
The only way Dex/Faith sucks is if you are clueless and go with Faith Infusions when Infusions are intended specifically for single stats.
Dex/Faith is intended to be used with dedicated hybrid weapons or Sharp weapons with buffs

>>715644475
Until Elden Ring, they didn't really exist. Until ER blessed us with this bad boy.

STR twice
All game

>DEX/FTH

>>715631487 (OP)
STR + FTH
I love holy warriors.

>>715647996
I haven't done a proper strength build in years. They're great but just so boring

>>715631487 (OP)
Doing a replay of all the soulsborne games. Let me know if I'm making a mistake in my choice of builds. I want something strong of course, but most importantly fun and not locked into one weapon.

>Dark Souls
Pure strength (just finished)
>Dark Souls 2
Pure int (about to start)
>Dark Souls 3
Quality (Unsure what to pick)
>Demon's Souls
Dex
>Bloodborne
Str/Int
>Elden Ring
Str/Fth

>>715635594
It’s fine, good actually.

A pure FAI build’s best option is Erdtree Seal, which gets 353 incant scaling at 80 FAI. A pure INT build’s best option (without massive penalties) is Carian Regal Sceptre which gets 373 sorcery scaling at 80 INT. Remember those numbers.

Staff of Great Beyond can cast both incants+sorceries. At 80 INT / 80 FAI it gets 352 sorcery/incant scaling. So it’s 5.4% worse than pure INT’s best, and 0.3% worse than pure FAI’s best. BUT EFFCENCY!!!! yes, obviously it’s way less efficient. But not that bad under close inspection.

At 43 INT, 43 FAI it gets 307 sorcery/incant scaling. Which is 13% worse than pure FAI’s best, and 17.7% worse than pure INT’s best. But only takes 66 points of investment (from wretch start) wheras a pure INT or FAI build takes 70 points of investment, and can only cast one type of magic, not two.

You don't pick an attribute, you pick a weapon.

>>715648289
I've been trying to get a "proper" INT build going in DS1 for about a week now. It's cool at first but spending souls on spells is such a fucking hassle. Then you only get 4 charges of Soul Spear

>>715648389
>80/80
Based retard running a SL200+ build

>>715648468
No, not with INT.

>>715648582
Griggs sell it after Logan leaves, so including the upgraded Crystal Soul Spear you get 12 casts.
Dark Anal Beads is even stronger so you should be fine on spells after getting that.

>>715631773
Based
lol at all the christcucks seething

>>715631487 (OP)
Str/Dex probably. I like melee and ranged/throwing weapons. Arcane in ER just for the weapons. Loved them. Especially the rapier and picrel

>>715645214
>>715644475
Isnt dex+faith super overpowered in DS1 by using something like the falchion combined with darkmoon blade?
Also how good is INT and the moonlight in DS3? i wanted to replay it for some npc questlines i missed

>>715631487 (OP)
double up on strength, fuck the rest

>>715649120
>Also how good is INT and the moonlight in DS3? i wanted to replay it for some npc questlines i missed
It's very good.
Rush Greatwood and then do Dancer Early.
Use the Deep Abyssal axe upgraded to +2 and then make it raw for Oceiros

STR (eventually) and FTH

>>715649120
It's easier to just go Crystal weapon for buffing in 1, less grinding plus more casts and about the same damage.
Moonlight is strong in 3, though it has a tough time vs the two strongest bosses but it's not as bad as the DaS1 dlc was for moonlight. Int is decent, Mist melts Midir which makes the fight easier.
You can get Moonlight early too pretty easily, just grab dark hand to make an early Dancer kill possible.

>>715644475
>>715646763
Dex Faith build is pretty easy in Ds1
>Minimum stats to use the Dex weapon of your choice (Scimitar/Uchigatana)
>Raise faith to lvl 25 for lightning spear
>lvl 14 attunement slot for 3 spell slots
>lvl 30 for sunlight blade
Bam. Just cast power within and spam r1 to your heart's content
It's the Chad choice because you will be fighting and beating OnS with the lowest dps stat investments. Anyone beating those two in that state is a Chad in my eyes
Also anyone putting more than 5 points into vitality is a faggot. Dark souls NG is already easy enough as it it

>>715649001

Oh I forgot WoTG exists so you don't even need to wait until post OnS to get good.
Dex faith build is super fun and you should definitely try it

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength and Faith

>>715649120
For Intelligence you have to keep in mind some important things that make it very powerful
Staves have a weapon art to buff casting, worth it if you know it will make a difference
Rushing Ariandel to get Bellvine is very useful
Free-aiming helps a lot
If you want to rush Oceiros you should invest into some reliable Raw weapon that you know you'll end up buffing with Crystal Weapon. Those would be Handaxe, Mace and Falchion, all great options for a minimum stats Sorcerer because they have high base damage.
Shortsword is a great no stats straight sword to infuse with Crystal because it gets S scaling

>>715631487 (OP)
>DeS: Str/Faith
>DS: Some bad pyromancy build I don't remember
>DS2: Int/Faith
>DS3: Str/Faith
>ER: Fth/Arc, woulda done Int/Arc if it got more than two bubble spells

>>715650159
Dex Faith is decent but it doesn't get the sexy synergy Dex Int does with Dex boosting dark spell damage on the Tin Catalyst.

>>715631773
faith without intelligence is idolatry but intelligence without faith is madness.

strength and dexterity (i play claymore)

>>715631960
>I'm an intelligent atheist who takes this graph seriously

>>715650234
>Shortsword gets S scaling
I had no idea

>>715634457
>two hander with one hand

>>715650501
No you don't understand Europe is the entire world.

>>715644475
you need to take a walk on the wild side if you want a heretical stat spread like that.

dex/faith is the depraved perfumer/madness build.

>>715650558
Shields in DS1 are busted, and you can just press the two hand button whenever its time to attack

>>715650691
i dont want to play busted i want the game to be hard and to feel satisfying if i wanted to cheese the game i would play magic

>>715649894
I've done a playthrough like this recently, using the Bandit Knife. The base game was quite doable, but Manus just has too high resistances and is way too aggressive for Sunlight Blade to do anything.

I did mainly Dex/Fth for Elden Ring the first time through. It was pretty good for a blind play, can cast heals and some offensive spells like lightning spear fast. The DLC had some really good offensive faith spells too and one of my favorite weapons, the barbed staff spear

>never played str+fth before, decided to do it in elden ring

>autistically full clear nearly every area, as usual
>cant find a single good spell other than generic fireball and basic black flame abilities
>end up taking literally fucking forever to find an interesting str+fth weapon, after ages i found the magma curved gs which was cool but still had me feeling like a generic souls character with a cumbersome weapon art in "fun silly shit:the game"
>after ages i finally get something powerful, the blasphemous blade
>except its entirely based on a retardly op weapon art that is mind numbingly boring and invalidates my entire moveset
>drop the game out of boredom and frustration
And now on the internet i keep reading how STR+FTH has all the coolest spells and weapons. Is ER really just a game where you can get unlucky or did i fuck up monumentally hard?

>pick two
No.

>>715631773
If you think science is anything more than an alternative religion, I have bad news about your INT level.

>>715632275
If it's trying to pigeonhole me, explain my troll greatsword, cold Banished Knight greatsword, Ruins greatsword, and Ranni MLGS

>>715651153
If you're having that much trouble just swallow your pride and wiki dive. There are plenty of really strong Str/Faith weapons in the game.

> STR/DEX
> Longsword
Yeah it´s gaming time.

>>715651153
It's just because Faith is the dump category for everything that isn't either PvP memes or pure DPS spells. INT simply has mostly boring spells and their weapons are typically the same sort of thing too, although there are a few exceptions.

>>715651184
sell me on this weapon

>>715651545
>not lordsworn's straight sword/greatsword or flamberge
ONE JOB

>>715651443
Sounds to me like you're being pigeonholed into using greatswords.

>>715651153
All the good Str/Fth stuff is in Atlus/around the capital besides the spear you get from the knight in Limgrave.
You can also kill a scarab near the fist church to get access to Sacred Blade as an Ash you can slap on any SRT weapon that makes it scale with faith and changes your weapons Skill to a holy beam slash that buffs your weapon for a time.

>>715651797
I probably would use them anyways just because greatswords are such a happy medium, and always have been in From games

>>715651153
Also if you want a kit that's not just art spam:
>Get minimum Int requirement for Gold Disc
>Get minimum Str requirement for Erdtree Greatshield
>Find a chunky hammer to infuse holy/flame art (DLC blacksteel great hammer is perfect for this)
>Pump Faith to around 50
Build concept is simple. Use gold disc plus self procced retaliation for ranged combat, abuse guard counter at close range.

>>715651904
cope

>>715652295
*cold infusion

>>715631487 (OP)
Intelligence and Faith is the Abrahamic choice

>>715631487 (OP)
Int & Dex

>>715651826
>All the good Str/Fth stuff is in Atlus/around the capital
But the best Str/Fth weapon is deep underground.

>>715631773
>mogs atheism

>>715631487 (OP)
STR+FTH
Gimme a Simple weapon too or blue dew talisman

My go-to in a new FROM game is
>Greatshield
>Poker of some kind
>HP Regen, (if possible)
>FP Regen, (if possible), if not some kind of resource free ranged attack
Basically just build around maximum endurance in exploration, saving sippys for emergencies and just using spells for healing out of combat if I don't have any kind of HP Regen.
I sometimes try Poison too, so I can just play super defensive and passively heal while the enemy slowly drains, but poison is usually pretty shit.

>>715644475
Non-existent job fantasy.
With all the other combos, there's obvious logic behind them. Dex+Fai just... doesn't make much sense?

>>715631487 (OP)
For me, it's motivity

>>715631960
lmao let's just forget all the books that were translated and protected by Christian monks. What a dumb psyop graph

>>715631487 (OP)
Faith/Int
Literally the patrician choice, Arcane/Bloodcringe in BB.

>>715652892
>Non-existent job fantasy.
Inquisitor
Zealot Assassin

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength/faith. When I did this in Elden Ring though, the faith part was having faith it got better. I didn't find ANYTHING until I beat Rykard (who was my first rune bearer due to a silly route I took hugging the left side of the world), but then was rewarded for my diligence with the Blasphemous Blade.

>>715652892
Literally Jedi

>>715631487 (OP)
>Demon Souls
Int
>Dark Souls 1
Vit+Stamina and a puro glove
>Dark Souls 2
Int+Faith, dark Magic
>Bloodborne
Bloodtinge, the Bloodletter is the GOAT
>Dark Souls 3
Int+Faith, dark magic+pyromancy
>Elden Ring
Arcane+Dex

>>715652723
I was trying to keep it a secret for the anon but technically the underground is under Lyndell.

>>715631487 (OP)
Str/Faith
I like comfy exploring and just homewarding if I get lost/run out of supplies. Just peace out in shit situations. The extra heals, buffs and lightning bolts are cool too.

>>715653096
>Inquisitor
STR makes more sense but sure.
>Zealot Assassin
so an assassin with magic stapled on, kinda boring but okay.

I guess Druid fits the archetype? Which would align with perfume bottles.

I hate these games so fucking much and how many of their mechanics have infected games out there like a disease. I'm so tired of frame perfect parry/dodge shit and enemies doing 5 screen sized combos with every other move being delayed by a full second to trick you into dodging early. It's EXHAUSTING to play this shit.

>>715644475
well there is this one famous pvp build in DS1 that's that.
Variations of it are pretty fun to play.

>>715653802
>a studio has a half-decent idea for gameplay
>the idea-dry industry badly rips it off over and over
The original games and devs aren't at fault here.

>>715644475
It's a buff build and before Elden Ring it had very little dedicated hybrid weapons

>>715653802
>frame perfect

>>715652940
Technique is Motivity but faster because of the weapon disassembly system. I don't know why the booster glaive handle is tech scaling, but it's existence killed the allure of motivity for me.

>>715631575
BASED
>invisibility + no fall damage
>dispose of tricky to reach enemies with magic

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength/Faith

>>715653802
play dark souls 1/2 instead of 3 and onwards, sekiro lets you stay on the offensive too
i share the sentiment though, i love the games but most games copying them feel awful and do a much worse job at it. the good thing about souls was actually having to respond to enemy attacks and weighty impactful combat, not only DS3 watered that down as you just roll in whatever direction to iframe shit endlessly at 3 times the rate, everyone copies DS3 style games, amplify what is bad about DS3 compared to others, also diminish the qualities of DS3, AND means the level/world is just a linear corridor in terms of progression. it blows

The best game at emulating what i like souls is Hollow Knight, but its combat is practically a polar opposite of souls, which goes to show how much worse trying to simply copy is compared to coming up with your own game

>>715653802
Blame retards that just want endless autistic le hardcore prepare 2 die slop and nothing else

>>715654081
Fair enough, I actually really like Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, just every indie soulslike out there I've tried pisses me off with this shit.

>>715653802
I feel like you would accuse picrel of stealing from dark souls if it came out today

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/DEX always.
that magic shit is for the birds.

>>715653802
It would've been another gimmick. Remember when everything had to have QtE cutscenes? Remember when every game had a slowmo mechanic?

>>715654636
Secondig Hollow Knight if you want a blend of "Popular indie deliberate combat exploration game" and "Isnt aping souls", while it may not seem that way the devs hadnt ever played souls
The reasons i like it so much are simple

I fucking hate estus clones. Im tired of games where you have a secondary healthbar that runs out then you just die as the games' primary difficulty, i hate chugging twice to heal to full, its boring
Im tired of railroaded progression, i want cool worlds like DS1 but for the entire half of the game
Im tired of lower budget developers trying to ape a higher budget formula while lacking the skill to make a good souls clone, let alone the skill to make a good souls clone with an infinitely lower budget than souls games
Im tired of corpse run mechanics that serve no purpose and are just there for aping souls.
Im tired of games always wanting to be a generically uninspired "le hard and le punishing"
Im tired of iframeslop and parryslop

HK excels in being the opposite of all of these, the only flipside is that it only has like zero "builds" other than equippable charms, which are basicaly like souls rings but more fleshed out. Instead of being a souls clone wanting to make a generic "le hard and punishing" game, it can be picked up by a 7 year old, and it just steadily grows in challenge over 50+ hours, and it ends up having more challenging fights than typical souls clones by the end. But as it does it naturally instead of instantly buying into the le hard game meme, the 7 year old in question (example:my kids) ended up being able to put up with it just fine

>>715651797
>sounds to me like the str/int build is using str/int weapons
lul

strent

>>715655770
only semi related but I've been playing Another Crab's Treasure and I hope whoever made the parry trigger on RELEASE of block gets their balls caught in a blender, the game is otherwise really easy but that shit feels HORRIBLE and then they design the entire game around it

>>715649110
Same. Magic just isn't fun to use in From games.

>>715640235
Get bent faggot

>>715647585
>>715647708
My statement stands. Even with rapiers or twinblades, you put points in dex to reach the bare minimum the weapon needs and then you go faith and/or int for the weapon builds, you will be doing more damage. There's barely any point in increasing dex any further since the damage scaling with dex in DaS2 will be laughable, this is an objective fact and meta. You will be doing heaps more damage with a magic buff. But at the very least don't go dex and strength, that's just a bad idea. Go dex - int or something, though any extra points in dex would be better spent in stamina or vigor.
>Flynn Ring
Thats carry weight, nothing to do with dex.
>Red Iron Twinblade
Scales better with strength
>Blue Moon greatsword
Literally meant to be infused with raw
>You're just bad.
You barely know what you're talking about. Dex scales at half the rate in DaS 2 and quality builds are underpowered. Go pure dex or dex - int/faith. Never mix with strength.

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength, twice.

>>715657814
*for the weapon buffs I mean.

>>715631773
Some kind of moron.

>>715653802
>>715654479
>>715655770
Not your fucking blog, retard

>>715659014
>NOOO dont discuss videogames on the videogame board

>>715659014
It actually is.

>>715631487 (OP)
Dex

>>715631487 (OP)
>Demon's
Just dex my shit up man I'm not grinding.
>Dark Souls 1
Str/Dex because infusions are annoying. Similar to Demon's but Demon's is short, you're only getting one. They're good, just annoying, and locked to basically NG+ anyway because the only decent chunk farm is the kiln.
>Dark Souls 2
Faith is secretly goated, lightning-infused charms hit like a truck and nothing endgame/DLC is strong to Lightning. Nothing is bad in DS2 but Hexes/Pyro/Sorcery all have like one endgame boss with like 80% resist.
>Dark Souls 3
Does it even matter. You're going to be be rolling and hitting R1 regardless.
>Bloodborne
STR/Arcane because Hunter's Tools are legit fun and you get the moonlight blade.
>Elden Ring
Whatever. Dark Souls 3 level of "the most quote unquote broken shit in the game does like 1.2 R1s if you're lucky".
>Sekiro
Mikiri Counter and then just ignore the rest that aren't passives.

>>715652892
Any kind of monk

>>715631732
darksouls 2 mundane is the best.

>>715659757
>>Dark Souls 3
>Does it even matter. You're going to be be rolling and hitting R1 regardless.
You are a massive retard

>>715660086
I don't care about your burst damage build that does a whopping 2k damage just because pvp lets you pretend it's good, that's like 1/20th of a boss bar. Everything in that game hits like a wet spaghetti noodle.

>>715659757
You delusional Dark Souls 2 fanboys are a special breed of cunts
Faith is completely worthless in Dark Souls 2

>>715660045
i never used mundane, is it for putting like 30 points on every stat or what?

>>715660472
literally all he said is that nothing is bad in ds2, people say that shit all the time about it even when disliking it
i havent tried it myself though so i cant judge, but your webm seems like a really extreme scenario instead of the norm

>>715631487 (OP)
I choose intelligence twice, thus becoming smart enough to want to play somehing else.

>>715660227
>just because pvp lets you pretend it's good
Dark Souls 3 has great builds of all kinds for PVP and PVE because A team didn't panic and go with the nerfhammer on anything remotely fun

>>715660764
Are you the guy who grinds to like SL200+ on NG?

>>715660596
>literally all he said is that nothing is bad in ds2
And that's completely wrong
>people say that shit all the time about it even when disliking it
Those people don't actually play builds, they do 30 claymore runs over and over

All hexes nerfed, resonant family spells might as well not exist except resonant weapon. Even Climax nerfed. Soul geyser, a PVE spell that needed like 60 int to do damage, nerfed. Flame swathe nerfed because people don't know how to roll. Every single DLC spell was garbage. Lightning family nerfed. Forbidden sun nerfed. Great Combustion never did anything. Wrath of the gods nerfed (and hidden in NG+ unless you're a fucking arenafag)
Dark Souls 2 magic sucked, it's just retarded revisionism.

>>715660973
>SL200
Isn't that the level you naturally reach shortly before Drangleic Castle

>>715661354
Not to my knowledge but I also don't grind out locations and buy all the various pieces of armor for fashion souls.

>>715631487 (OP)
strength and faith

They're all valid in single player. Making a "build" is only useful in multiplayer

STR/DEX

Magic is for pussies

>>715631487 (OP)
DEX+FTH
This rogue BELIEVES

>>715632167
Add Werner von Braun to that list, as well.

>>715643281
absolutely zooted weapon

>>715631487 (OP)
All of the above.

>>715631487 (OP)
Fuck that, just give me part of his Soul.
I am doing a Pyro run.

>>715649001
>water and oil don't mix together but you can still use both
>"KEK oilfags seething!"
inbred

>>715631773
based

>>715663275
water and disease*
diseasefags*

>>715631671
grand theft auto is for beta male black niggers who want to be gangster but are too afraid to fuck around and find out what happens in real life if you try it on a white guy. Niggers can’t fight for shit

>>715663493
What exactly are you trying to convey here?

>>715650406
>intelligence without faith is madness.
No, it's called unbiasedness.

>>715665731
>t. maxxvaxxed tranny

>>715631487 (OP)
Only Str

>>715665542
>What exactly are you trying to convey here?

>>715637414
Pearls before swine.

>>715637414
Most people who post that stupid chart about the "Christian dark ages" don't even understand that if not for the Christians, no one but the elites be able to read or write right now

>>715637414
>>715667206
Notice how nobody mentioned science but they mentioned intellgence instead?

Besides I can take a piss on a bible in front of a christcuck archivist, then invent the next science thing, and the christcuck archivist will shamelessly write me down as christian inventor because who will know I pissed on a bible 100 years from now.

>>715631773
Based and correct.

>>715644475
>I don't like playing Dex
>I don't like playing Faith
Simple as

>>715667682
>Besides I can [COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT HYPOTHETICAL]
>Image is just someone mad at God
Sorry your parents dragged you to Church, anon

>>715668282
Swing and a miss.

I hope the next Souls game from From has buffs that are more exciting than just boosting your numbers.

>>715668447
Most of the other people I've met who are vehemently against God were homosexuals or transsexuals, but I wanted to think better of you.

>>715668282
>HYPOTHETICAL
Its not a hypothetical if I use as evidence the practice of christcucks dipping a baby into water and then archiving him as full fledged christian despite the fact that the kid will grow up to make porn art of virgin mary getting gangbanged. Its how christians claim there a billion christians everyone yet all churches are empty except some geriatric boomers who forgot to take alzheimers pills and go home to trip on the stairs and break their neck.

>>715668678
It's irrelevant because most of the scientists listed earlier were devout, practicing Christians, with quite a few of them being monks or outright attributing their work to God.
This is getting too off-topic. Let's just stick to Souls stats.

>>715668826
>It's irrelevant
Saying this only makes it even more relevant. Imagine dismissing such disingenous practices as "irrelevant".
>because most of the scientists listed earlier were devout, practicing Christians
How do you prove that they didnt take a piss on a bible 100 years ago and a christcuck archivist passed them as christcuck inventors now that you made such a claim? Yes you need to prove your claim, especially after you proven that you are a disingenous rat christcuck.

>>715647350
Rapier better though the Chaos and Ice ones are the best weapons.

>>715668826
>Before getting btfo
heh you dont know that much christian science
>after getting btfo
T-this is getting too off-topic. L-let's just stick to Souls stats.


Fucking piece of shit rat.

Do you think we'll get more unique starting classes in the future? I actually really like how the Nightfarers felt different to play.

>>715669126
Anon, this is simply not the place for such discussions. Most people don't care about religious debates, especially if they come from uninformed people like you. There are already enough religious/political bait threads that pop up on the catalog.
>>715669039
This is an absolutely absurd argument. It would be like saying "You can't disprove that every atheist scientist is actually a Christian in secret".
This will be my last (You). Any other reply will be from someone else.

>>715631487 (OP)
STRENGTH.
STRENGTH

>>715669470
>Anon, this is simply not the place for such discussions
Yea except for when you make smug "muh science" claims before I enter thread and btfo you, only after that "its not the time and place".
>>715669470
>This is an absolutely absurd argument.
How is asking for proof for a claim absurd? If you find providing proof absurd then your claim is absurd, not my demand for proof. Fucking retard.

>>715631487 (OP)
What was even the point of int/faith when you're forced to just be a melee character that gets to cast spells sometimes? they're only good for second/third stats because no matter what you're forced to equip a melee weapon and hit the enemy with it. int/faith just get to hit the enemy with a magical weapon instead of a normal weapon.

>>715631487 (OP)
>Demon's Souls
STR/FAI, blessed Mirdan hammer, adjudictor's shield, regenerator's ring
>Dark Souls
STR/DEX, pyromancies have no stat requirements
>Dark Souls II
STR/DEX
>Bloodborne
STR/ARC
>Dark Souls III
STR/DEX
>Elden Ring
DEX/INT because maximum cast speed is fucking great

>>715670128
Depends on where you are in the game. Late game magic users should be able to just spam spells until the enemy is dead.

DaS? 28 STR/50 FTH. Sunlight Blade Greatclub +15. No need to backstab fish or parry fish like a faggot if you actually knew how to use this thing.

>>715631773
Oof this didn't sit well with the resident chuddies.

>>715638224
Doing this right now

>>715631487 (OP)
does dark souls not have something like constitution or endurance?
or is it just HP upgrades?

>>715671289
It has endurance which affects stamina and equip load. DS2 and DS3 add vitality which is just the equip load part of endurance while endurance increases stamina. It also increases some damage negation and poison resist with both stats. Not by much but it builds up.

>>715671289
Vigor/Vitality up your HP. Stats also effect your defense, though it depends on the game IIRC.

>>715669039
You're absolutely seething, anon. You went from “prove it” to “they might’ve pissed on a Bible 100 years ago” in under five seconds like that somehow counts as a counterargument. No one is saying these guys were saints, just that many were openly religious and clearly didn’t see a problem reconciling science with faith. Cope harder.

Also, imagine melting down over 18th century monks like they're personally oppressing you through time. Touch grass, maybe roll an INT build next time and read a book.

>>715669209
Your getting Light Greatsword Knight and Big tank knight in Tarnished Edition.

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength and strength.

my autism tier list
posting this because I have no friends/life
be kindly etc. no bully

S tier:
- using this means you're a cool guy
- animals in nature and homeless implicity respect your aura
>STR/FTH
>INT/DEX

A tier:
- this is masochism corner you're here because your build is torture
- yes it's good at level 200, getting there is worse than grinding support in MMOs
>INT/FTH
>FTH/DEX

B tier:
- this is the bland section, very by the book no extra something
- nothing wrong with water, it's your favorite beverage
>STR/INT
>STR/DEX

(don't like my list make your own)

>>715631487 (OP)
dex and faith
then pray to gods that STR Daddy doesn't one tap me

>>715659014
We're discussing video games. What the fuck are you doing?

>>715671562
>You went from “prove it” to “they might’ve pissed on a Bible 100 years ago”
If you can prove that they were christian that means that they didnt piss on a bible retard. Imagine your mind being so innately disingenous that you think this is a court case and you can play lawyer turn pissing on a bible into a morality case and not a non-christian case based on my context. Litelral subhuman.

Notice how you made it more open ended to "many were openly religious" from "all were openly religious" because you cant prove shit. Guess what. You still have to prove your claim. Im waiting for you to prove that they were christian and not just dipped in the water as babies.

>>715631487 (OP)
Str/int.
I Unga, therefore I Bunga.
Spellblade is the way.
No. Pew pew bullshit. Carian slicer, Carian piercer, Gavel of Haima. Magic Armament.Eternal Darkness. Carian Knight armor set. Now we gaming

>>715673149
Based, but I'm alsp including Adula's Moonblade.

>>715631773
Most scientists start believing at some point. The more we understand the universe, the more closer we get to divinity

>>715673352
I recall there being a book about the "finely-tuned" universe. While one of the writers didn't believe in GOD due to reasons concerning the problem of evil/suffering, both of them concluded that the universe had to have been constructed.

>>715673352
>Most scientists start believing at some point
proof for claim

>>715666494
>posts retarded diy meme image that means nothing
>asked to explain it
>posts even more retarded image
Your lack of intellect is almost as impressive as your delusions that you're actually smart

>>715672454
Holy fucking reddit batman.

>>715631487 (OP)
Quality has always been and always will be the best

>>715673352
>the more closer we get to divinity
Sup satan

>>715672454
>if a bunch of Christians had pissed on a Bible they wouldn't be good Christians
>no I can't prove they didn't piss on a Bible but that doesn't mean they didn't
>since I imagine they might have for some reason that means they weren't real Christians and you have to prove they were
Literally the dumbest thing I've ever read

>>715631487 (OP)
Strength and Strength

>>715631773
Dangerously based
Chriggers seething

>>715652892
melina and the other black knife assassins are dex/fth

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/STR

>>715652892
Supposed to be a nightblade or magic polearm user archetype it’s just implemented really poorly compared to the other builds
I hope they expand on the str/int gravity magic idea the next time around it doesn’t seem quite fully baked outside giving int casters physical damage spells

>>715675921
>if a bunch of Christians
proof

>>715675445
Im mocking you. There is nothing to explain in your case.

>>715675549
Why is holy cheating on her husband with batman and why is batman on reddit?

>>715660764
Yes infusing a straight sword with either chaos or dark is big build variety

>>715677805
>shits pants
>I bet you feel stupid now
You need to practice your mocking skills apparently you retard.
>>715677876
Cringe

>>715652959
I know I posted that like 12 hours ago but I was making fun of the guy that said Int/Faith were oxymorons

>>715631487 (OP)
Luck endurance

>>715631487 (OP)
>des
dex int for giga rape fire spells and magic/moon kilij or whatever
>ds1
str dex for fury sword, pyro, and some quality weapons i guess
>ds2
dex fth heide spear and miracles
>bb
str dex for beast claws and most weapons
>ds3
str dex for most weapons
>er
str fth for magma wyrm sword, incantations, and grafted dragon, as well as some other nice stuff like blasphemous blade and magma blade i think

>>715680117
quality sucks ass in ds3, it's way better to just heavy or sharp imbue

ds1 definitely had the best quality build feeling.

>>715679059
No I dont. I feel confident in my mocking skills.

>>715680238
I usually leveled dex and then some str to meet some weapon reqs to have more variety I think. was it 40/27 or something similar? it's been so long

>>715680291
That's because you're stupid

>>715631487 (OP)
Dex/ Int

>>715631960
>Modern science
The same worldview that forgot the definition of a woman lmao

>>715662843
pynchon reference

>>715631487 (OP)
Str + dex (if I get enough levels after softcapping hp/end/load stats)

>>715680238
Quality was meta at the start but got nerfed

>>715631575
FPBP

>>715680359
40 dex 28 str with the ds1 halberd is ridiculous amounts of damage

>>715681278
pure is really fucking strong if you mean ds3 so can't imagine how good quality must have been

>>715681278
rember when carthus curved sword was op

>>715680592
no u

>use cheat engine
>change values to armor that I want to use
>turn on and keep enabled so the values will carry over to different armor pieces.
>wear whatever fashion I like while maintaining giga ugly armor stats
next souls game desperately needs transmog for pve.

>>715682425
Doesnt appeal to me since Im not a woman or a tranny

>>715631487 (OP)
Ds1&3 str/fth
Er dex/fth
Light longsword or a katana with lightning incants are so fun.

>>715657814
>carry weight, nothing to do with dex.
gee I wonder if there is an overarching trend between strength, dexterity, and their relative weight

>>715683226
i dont think you know what transmog is

>>715631575
The true chad move. I don't care about whether it's "good" or not.

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/FTH

>>715631575
based

>>715683697
Yeah but I know youre a trans

>>715631487 (OP)
STR/DEX

>>715647996
Kenshiro also builds DEX, not just STR.