Thread 715745970

WoWchads... I'm thinking we're back.

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/world-of-warcraft/wow-continues-to-eat-ff14s-lunch-with-its-housing-system-on-paper-says-itll-just-make-more-neighbourhoods-if-theyre-full-and-you-can-have-private-guild-ones-too/

I'm not going back to WoW unless my house can have a secret dungeon where I can tickle torture night elf women

This will attract a few hundred tumblrina whales then die out after 1-2 years. Especially since ugc players like the challenge of using free content to decorate, and there's fuckloads of it in this feature.

>>715745970 (OP)
it really sucks that XIV is stuck on the legacy of launch XIV being a fucking PS3 game. people are too invested in the game for SE to just bin it and build a new game from the ground up to not have all sorts of problems and limitations.

>HORDE KEEP MOVING
>THIS IS AN ALLIANCE MAN'S NEIGHBORHOOD

>>715745970 (OP)
So it is just instanced housing? Games like FF14 or archeage the housing is much better because it's actually finite and in the world.

>WoW
So which tranny is your favorite character?

>>715746398
>it really sucks that XIV is stuck on the legacy of launch XIV being a fucking PS3 game.
Blame nips for being retarded dinosaurs who refuse to recognize the eternal PC Master Race because of their gay bullshito culture.

>>715745970 (OP)
I don't care about a house if I don't want to live in the world it exists in

>>715746556
FF14 is the same thing as this by the sounds of it.

>>715746556
Blizz literally said they'll make more neighborhoods if need be, implying they're not instanced.

>>715746746
Its not instanced houses, more like instanced neighborhoods

>>715746263
Attracting whales for two years is more than enough time to make a new thing that will attract 2 more years of whales.

>>715745970 (OP)
i did not even try when i played xiv it would have been impossible on the server it put me on

>>715745970 (OP)
>on paper

>>715746774
I cant fucking wait for azshara and westfall to have stripmalls in it. Maybe we can get low income housing in shitholes like deadwind pass and duskwood.

>>715746218
fpbp

>>715745970 (OP)
FFXIV's housing was a fucking joke at launch, ridiculously stupid system. Regardless
>WoW in 2025
Fuckin lel

>>715746398
>Muh spaghetti code
>Muh ps3
>Muh crystal tools engine
Literally non issues dqx still runs on crystal tools and has a better housing system. Shit was a fucking wii game.

I don’t think I’ve seen a blizzard advertisement in like a decade that wasn’t oh my science look at this ai slop article about the heckin new featurino, absolutely soulless

>>715745970 (OP)
>on paper

>>715745970 (OP)
If wow is such a huge game why do journalists need to mention ff14 just to get clicks. There are tons of mmos with housing.

>>715746556
>archeage
;-;7
rest in shit, good memories, bad devs

>>715747048
Same reason this board shits on any and every game, retard.

This is bad news for xiv, especially since they just revealed this absolutely disgusting genocide apologist conquistador outfit today... Gamers aren't going to take this laying down, xiv has to be more like WoW and do better for BIPOC folks.

>>715745970 (OP)
Oh wow it only took them 21 years. I can’t begin to explain how many fucks I don’t give.

>>715746872
This. I actually am genuinely optimistic given what we've seen so far, but at the end of the day this is still modern Blizzard. We've been promised things before.

People really caring about in-game housing instead of their own real life housing?

>>715745970 (OP)
so this is the new garrison huh? enjoy afking in your "home"

>>715745970 (OP)
Don't really care about WoW vs FFXIV but is that an actual title a "journalist" wrote?

>>715747150
Good morning sir

>>715745970 (OP)
I can't believe any of you faggots still cares about MMOs in any capacity.

99% of the playerbase doesnt care and the 1% that does will just make what are essentially ERP crack dens

>>715747048
Its normal for that journo, just look at his backlog of articles

>>715746218
Pretty much meant to cater to the Moonguard populace.

>>715747106
The mods on the official forum closed the Bluesky campaign thread
lol

>>715746817
Which is what Ff14 has, I'm pretty sure they have 50 houses each which is the number listed for WoW in this article.

Neighborhoods don't work. Nobody uses them.
People will just stay in their houses and hold events and stuff there.

Not sure why western players don't really do the neighborhood thing since it's a good idea.

>>715745970 (OP)
first the transmog system and now the housing system? Why is blizzard making better calls then SE? is ff14 even worth stayin subbed for anymore?

>>715747376
>Moonguard
Died after real ID was implemented, lmao

Okay lets see this player housing in action

>>715745970 (OP)
you are only getting a housing system now?
ESO had it for 8 years

>>715747106
>they just revealed this absolutely disgusting genocide apologist conquistador outfit today.
uhhh... based?
uhhhh... BASED?

>>715747290
I'd say probably 15-20% cares.

>>715745970 (OP)
Does wow have emotes yet or are wow players going to stand around t-posing while a Tauren occasionally scratches his ass

>>715745970 (OP)
It's not exactly impressive considering they waited over a decade for everyone else to actually fumble through housing and are now cherry picking what works and what doesn't.
I'm trying not to get too hyped because Blizzard's big things always release in an absolute state but it does look neat.

My experience with housing in these games is that the idea is better than the reality. It's fun to imagine having a nice house and inviting people over but in practice it doesn't have that feel.

>>715747634
Too bad the game is shit. Housing was actually pretty good in ESO

>>715747678
>Does wow have emotes
They added a lean emote in 11.2 and WoW players are acting like it's unprecedented ground in MMOs.

WoW should have been getting one permanent progression system every expansion. Or at least SOMETHING permanent. I think we are finally heading this way. Dragonflight left dragon riding, the current expansion is hopefully leaving delves, next expansion will give housing.

>>715747106
>Japan having zero reverence for real world politics
Shocking

>>715747634
>please sub to actually have enough spaces to decorate properly goy :)

>>715747713
nah, the game is amazing and the housing system complements it quite well

>>715747730
I would shit on WoW anyday, but I think they added Dragon Riding to every flying mount the game has, so now you can do it anywhere anytime.

>>715747532
Only if that were remotely true.

>>715747730
They wasted so much time on expansion limited features. Ion said something about how they recognized that and will try to avoid it in the future so maybe.

>>715746398
XIV's actual problem is being published by SE. Tencent is even remaking the entire game in a different engine because even the chinks know XIV's engine is beyond salvation.

Name 1 game that wouldn't be better or the same without customisable player housing.

>>715747532
QRD?

>>715745970 (OP)
That's great. Unfortunately, the game still looks like puke and the world is raped beyond salvation after Shadowlands, so it's putting lipstick on a pig. A stinking, rotting, quadruple amputee pig.

Nobody cares about that shit. It’s a m+ skinner box

>>715747532
Moonguard's degeneracy started after when real ID was implemented, not before it silly billy.

>>715745970 (OP)
Both are garbage and i prefer ESO housing and my mushroom house at Vvardenfel.

>>715747749
You dont even need to sub, but the house rotation is ass, who got the free Summerset castle years ago got literally the 2nd best house in game even for RP content and clan shit

>>715747854
Skyrim. Hearthfire DLC was a waste of money, even your wife tells you how stupid it is to build a house in the middle of nowhere (moments before getting kidnapped by yet another radiant quest).

Finally somewhere private to get my diaper changed

>>715748108
Hearthfire was rushed because the content of that was going to be packed with the internal jam they made, but the retarded PS3 hardware was giving more headaches than results, and hearthfire came to be off a cut DLC sized area Craglorn and Eastern Blackreach
Bethesda having problems with sony was why they went to microsoft, Xbox is literally a PC and it isnt a hardware hell to deal like Sony, even Nintendo is literally a linux these days.

>>715746984
This. One of my friends was bitching about the housing in XIV with auto-demolition, no availability, ect. So I showed him the DQX housing system with literally thousands of wards and no demolition. His exact response was "I've never been more convinced that FFXIV housing shortage is a scam to keep people subbed then I am now."

>tfw stopped playing wow since BfA's launch
>still occasionally hop on a private server
How are things in wow nowadays?

>>715748108
I said better without not better with

>>715748442
Every time they try and pull the "1.0 failed because of crystal tools and we are still having issues in 2.0 because of it" is always utter nonsense when dqx is doing just fine on crystal tools. It has better fishing too.

>>715748217
kek

>>715748586
DQX is vastly less graphic intensive

>>715745970 (OP)
>on paper
lol
lemao

>>715747784
>"MMO"
>Paying for storage
>Absolutely horrific combat, even by MMO standards
>Completely butchers TES lore (thankfully the shit game is non-canon)
In a sea of shit, ESO manages to be the large glacier of shit.

>>715748758
The fact you have to sub for the unlimited crafting bag killed interest for me. Has that changed at all?

>>715748826
Nope
Still can't carry shit really unless you pay up

>>715748758
>Completely butchers TES lore
Every TES game is like that. But hey, at least TESVI will also completely ruin TESO's lore.

>>715745970 (OP)
Merde...

>>715745970 (OP)
Honestly, if they're at all clued in and not completely out of touch, Square could quite easily snap back.
The WoW system is basically the XIV system but instanced, with a z axis to its object positioning tool and the ability to scale objects (to some extent).
The scaling is probably never happening, but they could fairly easily do instanced housing and add a Z axis to objects (Burning Down The House plugin can already do that). And they have a broader catalogue of items and styles as is, with about 10 years of head start on WoW.

>>715748758
keep coping

>>715748076
I was on Moon Guard when it started and Goldshire was always like that. It was always a den of ERP and faggotry.

Cant marry a tauren and bring her home so its shit.

>>715746774
>implying they're not instanced.
that implies they are instanced though. funny watching wow kiddies hype themselves up though. imagine thinking player housing wouldnt be instanced in WoW, the game about instanced everything.

dude fuckin WoW peak shit rn fr fr shits gonna be so cash money on the fuckin dollar yall aint no lie senpaitachi
player housing gonna be litty as FUARK just like the WoD shattrath raid

Once you start noticing that these games journalists are western industry orbiters you'll start to notice that they almost never have anything positive to say about any game from the east that's competing with a western game.

>private guild one
i cant wait to see them be literally 10billion gold

>PLAYING RETAIL WOW IN 2025
>ALSO DEI INFESTED
>PLUS PAJEET TIER OVERALL QUALITY

>>715747419
Thank fuck someone called out that it was a concerted bluesky brigade.
Unfortunately that also means someone on the team saw it and might be relaying it to the devs to get the gear changed. God, I hope not.

>>715745970 (OP)
>feature so fucking pointless none of my mazed friends even mentioned it while shilling wow to me
garrison 2.0

>>715746218
This is the first good post I've ever seen in a WoW vs. XIV thread.

>>715748758
Morrowfags everyone

>>715749240
Every RP server had an ERP scene in Goldshire early on, it just all eventually moved to Moonguard as WoW's playercount dropped.

>>715745970 (OP)
i wish they had given us this back in WoD when my friends and i still played
having our houses next to each other, going on raids and pvp and shit bringing back throphies and chilling in each others houses
garrisons sucked

>>715745970 (OP)
>"on paper"

>Private homes
>Goldshire still infested with bull faggots and pedophiles
Great.

>>715748978
>>715749148
Nothing will ever top ESO's horrendous donut-steel Daedric Prince. Thank Todd that most we'll see of ESO in TES6 is a lame reference or two.

>>715747106
This isn't a win sorry XIV cultist!

>>715749380
Why would they need to make more neighborhoods if it's all instanced? Think retard.

I cant think of a reason for an old or a new player to be interested in this stuff besides the consumer brainrot forcing them to buy anything and everything they are asked to buy.

>>715747106
I'm someone who is offended by this armor. I speak on behalf of myself when I say this, the conquistador themed sets are extremely insensitive and racist.

I was just watching a FF9 playthrough. The new gearsets do not match the designs in FF9 despite that game being a big inspiration for Alexandria and the other recent gearsets that were released.

Since the preview was released, I noticed many of my peers announcing that they were canceling their subs and their service accounts. I myself have canceled my subscription. On a personal level, even if I do not engage or wear the armor:

1. It is in the new dungeon which will become part of the expert roulette, which means that seeing or receiving this gear is a lot more unavoidable than if it was part of side or raid content.

2. People who do not know of the historical connotations of this gear may be wearing the gear as glamour. This is, and has, been triggering for some people to see the preview picture alone. Allowing this ingame will contribute to an in-game culture of casual racism, alienating even further sections of the playerbase from trying or continuing to play the game, as they are reminded that their lives and history in reality do not matter in the fantasy-inspired game they play.

Please reconsider and redesign the sets. In conjunction with the sets being released in the Latin American themed expansion, this design choice contributes to harmful antagonistic sentiment that already exists in real life. Colonists are not 'fantasy'; this is tacit endorsement of colonization which sours the entire expansion of Dawntrail by its boldness.

If the choices made about this game continues in this direction, I will not be buying any future expansions.

>>715746398
fucking EverQuest runs better than FFXIV and that game was coded in 1997, expecting it to die in 2 years

>>715747106
dont care about whatever dumb shit their playerbase is complaining about.
I want to smooch that big cat

>>715750821
>wowtroon is a furfag
Every time

>>715745970 (OP)
I haven't played WoW since Cataclysm came out, I beelined the new alchemy mount on day one in hopes of making a fortune, then got undercut by retards who were selling it for 1 gold within 24 hours despite people willing to pay thousands for it up to that point.

>>715750575
kekaroo

like 15 years too late. everyone that isnt an insane fat whale has moved on. theres nothing that can bring me back to this travesty of a game.

>>715750575
>I was just watching a FF9 playthrough
XIV players are never beating the being secondary allegations

>>715750063
how do you think they are going to make more neighbourhoods without using instance/phasing tech? The player will use a menu or walk through a portal to get to their neighborhood, the neighborhoods will each be in their own instance/phase. did you actually think player houes would be static with thousands of players per server? them "making more enighborhoods" is just going to be opening up new instances designated for new players.

>>715749148
>eso is le canon!!
not according to my c0da. your retort? ;)

>>715747106
in what world is this conquistador
one of them is a fucking musketeer

asherons call did this 25 years ago

>>715749541
ooOooo i'm nooticing

>>715745970 (OP)
>piss is better than shit

>>715751823
yes it is

>>715745970 (OP)
XIV having housing didn't draw me towards it (I have an apartment and I do nothing with it as it stands), so it's neat for WoW players I guess, but I'm disinterested.

>>715748660
Yet it has about 9x the complexity in every other aspect and is an actual rpg.

>>715746218
FPBP
I read that in Dan's voice too

>instanced cuckshed
I don't care.

>>715745970 (OP)
anything mogs the predatory ff14 housing
why is everything in ff14 predatory anyways? even the players are predators

>>715745970 (OP)
We know that:
1 - FF14 engineers are shit tier
2 - Yoshi P _ALWAYS_ takes the cheap route.

It's no wonder, really.

>>715752956
top 5 posts that make me eye the femmes sporting a bulge in my leggings

>>715752535
That has nothing to do with my post

Fallout 76 camp building blows it away

>>715753202
their argument for removing much of the rpg mechanics from xiv was the engine and its constraints, so yes it does.

>>715753448
>their argument for removing much of the rpg mechanics from xiv was the engine and its constraints
That never happened

>>715745970 (OP)
>on paper

>>715753539
Yes it did. they explicitly retooled the way armor worked from 1.0 because of how supposedly intensive it was on the servers.

>>715753448
xiv never had extremely rpg mechanics since its rebuilding
and xiv 1.0 was a colossal failure that cost them money so they veered away from it

>>715753708
What RPG mechanics did that removed?

>>715753708
Source?

>>715747419
qrd?

>>715753834
Build variety that was deeper than skill/spellspeed or crit.

>>715753924
some retard on bluesky saw new gear, screed that it was conquistador gear and how culturally insensitive it was and that people should go to the forums to riot, and then a bunch of accounts that never posted on the forums before started pearl clutching on the forums, clearly brigading

>/v/ trying to make me feel like a tranny retard for playing retail
>meanwhile the game is telling me i rock

well well well

>>715753924
Some Korean Bluesky activist (who claims they convinced SE to change shit before) asked his fellow trannies to go to the Official Forum thread they made to complain about the armor being racist. Many of the posts complaining were from accounts that had little to no previous posts on the forum. People started calling the thread what it was, a Bluesky campaign. And a mod locked it stating the thread was derailed from its original topic

>>715754137
>Korean
Always with their lot.

Does anyone care when the game itself looks like shit?
This is the part I don't understand when people try to say one is better while clealry ignoring the visual aspect

>>715745970 (OP)
Who cares? Why the fuck do I need housing again? To decorate some random shit for a room no one will see because I have no friends to share these games with anymore?

>>715754287
it's a game from 2004, you have to take that into account

>>715754287
WoW players wear painted on robes and painted on vials they don't care

>>715754389
>painted on robes and painted on vials
proofs?

>>715754330
gardening to produce materials you cant obtain by any other method. workshops to run submarines you cant use by any other method which are the best way to make gil in the game by far.

I wanted to make a neighborhood of me, my friends and a bunch of hoes. But then I realized the only girls left in wow are used up moms probably pushing their 50s now, and demented egirls that would sooner cut themselves in ritual worship over Denathrius than actually be a respectable person.
It's probably still possible if we make one of those shitter casual heroic raid guilds. I just don't want to deal with the horrors that would bring.

>>715754492
painted on robe/tits

>>715754492
It's been a known issue for years now.

people keep bringing up ff14... this is how every character in the main cities looks like... If you walk down the road it looks like you're clubbing in Shinjuku

>>715755104
that's 3D though

>>715755191
Is that a man?

>>715755351
okay that's just bad

>>715755408
no but this might be

but will there be an option to invite my wife's boyfriend over and build a cuckshed next to my house?

>>715755191
really?

>>715755492
you have to grind for it

>>715745970 (OP)
I had great MMO housing almost twenty years ago. Who gives a shit if Blizzard is only now trying to implement it """On paper""""

>>715755548
now turn on the mare syncshell

>>715755687
I don't use Mare.

>>715755548
never been to shinjuku huh

>>715746940
Kek

>>715755687
It's easy to spot Mare fags because they usually use a really weird array of glam that looks off to anyone who isn't using Mare. Those are all just people using regular gear.

>>715755687
>>715755845
Synchro what?

>>715755948
some plugin you can download to share your modded characters with other people

Why is Blizzard trying to change the culture of WoW so much?
They are trying (failing) to focus on storyline and now housing?

>>715756343
people have been asking for housing for almost 20 years they literally tried to satiate those people with the half assed garrisons and that was more than a decade ago.

>>715754287
The art style used to be brutish, bold, and a little cartoony in an artistic aspect kind of way. Now it's cartoonish in a "one size fits all", bland, casting as wide a net as possible as to not offend any possible customer, kind of way. Physically different than Disney, sure, but in the same vain as Disney.

>RPers already talking about hosting venues and stuff in their houses and neighborhoods
This is gonna kill open world RP. Plus you don't want venuefags infesting your world.

>>715745970 (OP)
Who even asked for this? The retired moms that collect dresses and cheevos?

>>715745970 (OP)
>both neighborhoods AND instanced housing
>can have entire private fucking neighborhoods for you and your friends
>if neighborhood fills up they'll just add more servers
>meanwhile XIV takes years to add more and makes you do a fucking lottery to get a house

jesus christ i will never not be angry at japanese incompetency

however, im still never gonna play WoW

>>715756498
Agreed. Venuefaggotry isn't healthy for the game/RP community.

>>715756658
I don't think the Japanese are human honestly. They think so differently than normal and rational people.

>>715745970 (OP)
So? Still a trannygame made by literal trannydeva with rainbow faggot shit all over it. Wow is dead.

>>715756658
Hey, at least consider that this is putting pressure on SE to give players instanced housing of some kind.
If they still won't do it after this, they never will.

>>715756754
They don't make major moves unless their JP players complain. They don't really give a shit about other regions like that.

why the fuck would you want a house

>>715746556
For me it's SWG housing. I miss the city I built with my friends.

>>715756790
Well, we'll see.

>>715745970 (OP)

and another bullshit kek thread about wow mogs "xy" game....

bla bla bla.
wow copium goes hard again.....

>>715745970 (OP)
And I hope WoW players enjoy it. There are some things I'd be happy to see implemented in XIV, but it'd be a pretty foundational change that I'd be surprised to see it.
>Seasonal or monthly community events held in the housing district
>Improved placement tools
These would be cool to see. I think applying some kind of leveling to the neighborhood is retarded, and I think having a limit on player homes wouldn't be a problem if further customization was allowed in apartments.

>>715756754
nah they wont
the problem with nips is twofold
>they only listen to feedback from other japanese bugmen, who are the biggest bootlickers on the fucking planet
>japanese developers in general have the mindset of: "why would you want that when we designed it to be this way?"

so do any MMOs have housing you actually walk to in the world yet, or are you just teleported there?

>>715756947
>Seasonal or monthly community events held in the housing district
ugh that shit sounds annoying

>>715747150
>>715746872
They will charge for more plots, for fucking sure

>>715757107
All the best housing items will be in the real money shop too.
Guaranteed they tie some really good shit to the year long sub too.
I can't really fault them either, housing fags spend a ridiculous amount of money on that bullshit in any game that has it.

>>715757181
The fact that they started out their first announcement with "yes there will be shop items tied to housing" already made me wary.
They normally don't even preemptively warn of that. The fact that they felt the need to now could be dire lol.

run escape still has best housing

>>715756947
from what ive seen its pretty much like that housing plugin

>>715746398
>it really sucks that XIV is stuck on the legacy of launch XIV being a fucking PS3 game. people are too invested in the game for SE to just bin it and build a new game from the ground up to not have all sorts of problems and limitations.
WoW is using a 25 year old engine lol

>>715756979
back before WoW that was actually normal. WoW is the MMO that made everyone equate MMOs with instanced theme park rides.

>>715757424
Yeah, except it's not a plugin.

>>715756979
Ultima Online pretty sure

wow won
nothing new

>>715756796
cuz it's fun

>>715751678
yeah but dawntrail literally axed content because le no money
lol

>>715745970 (OP)
Now imagine if your house had a secret sex dungeon where you could place any enemy you defeated out in the world. Now that's a game

>>715745970 (OP)
As good as that is I afraid its a bit too late for that. Iam never coming back.

>>715756979
kinda crazy how even the minecraft mmo has instanced housing, you'd think they'd utilize the block game aspect

I love how the arguments against FFXIV housing is always from some bitter faggot who can't get a house

>>715758649
Gonna be honest, I don't care about housing in either game. WoW is a shit game with a shit style.
In XIV... I dunno.. I just never felt the urge to get one. Maybe if they started making full aesthetic packages that allowed me to emulate ingame interior styles entirely.

>>715758649
The housing sucks and I've owned 3 different houses at different periods of time. it's a fucking ball and chain to keep you paying. Glorified rent. Because it's obscenely difficult to get one and then it weaponizes that against you to keep you monetarily invested.
There is no argument you can make that holds a drop of water, in favor of this dogshit.

>>715746940
>Barrens becomes the O'block ghetto of Azeroth
only real brothers know the struggle

>>715758864
>ball and chain to keep you playing
>a slight sneeze causes them to turn it off for like 6 months
Pretty bad ball and chain tbf.

>>715759079
Then turn it off permanently if it's not a problem. Clown.

>>715745970 (OP)
I wish I could afford a house in real life instead of just in world of warcraft

>>715745970 (OP)
What if I want open-world housing and not instanced slop?

>>715759237
Why so hostile?

>>715745970 (OP)
When is this coming?

>>715759362
I don't respect people who play devils advocate for dogshit things that I find annoying and inconvenient.

>>715756979
ArcheAge did in 2013. Ultima did in 1998 or some shit.

>>715759428
So you're just sperging because I threw a wrench in your narrative?

but i don't want everyone to own a house. o_O

>>715759445
>narrative
criticizing a dogshit system that benefits absolutely no one is not having a narrative. It's an indefensible system and you know that. They have the budget, and the manpower, and the capability to make more housing, or at least develop instanced. They choose not to, so they can make more money.

>>715745970 (OP)
I would fucking hope its better with Blizzard's version coming out 12 fucking years later. FFXIV has had that shit since 2013 it should be an easy slam dunk to make a better version.
Though that shit isn't even out yet so it doesn't matter.

>>715759552
Look, my point, and the fact of the matter is that if Square's intention was to connive to create a malicious system explicitly to keep people chained to the game when they want to leave, then making it so people can freely unsub for nine fucking months after a single incidents is pretty counter to that entire notion.
What you feel about the system is immaterial otherwise.

>>715745970 (OP)
Just 20 years too late. Damn. I remember when they announced housing during the WoW beta.

>nu Blizzad
Yeah no thanks.

>>715759376
Soon, at the latest when they release the first add on. Man can not wait to ride my first mount in a month or so.

>>715759652
They literally only do that because they got backlash for not doing it early in the games lifespan. It's a PR choice, they would absolutely not do so if they didnt get insane backlash over it.

>>715745970 (OP)
What a faggot way to talk

>>715745970 (OP)
TWW is one of WoW's best expansions. Dawntrail is easily the worst FFXIV expansion.

>>715759826
If it's a PR choice they could turn it back on after a month or two months, not nine.
And are you trying to tell me they aren't getting backlash now?
You are such a disingenuous little wretch. If you want to argue that we need instanced housing in the game so everyone can get one, that's fine and I agree. But if you need to be a manipulative little sissy queer about it for your activism to have any traction, then that's a tacit admission it has no traction of its own.
Literally Tumblr-tier.

>>715756979
Dark Age Of Camelot close to 2003. Running across zones for days.

>>715760004
>activism
holy fuck man I'm just bitching about a shitty housing system in a game, in a thread about player housing you over dramatic bitch.
Take all those words and "narratives" you are trying to put in my mouth, and shove them up your festering asshole because nobody fucking asked for it.
You type like Ben Shapiro.

>>715759652
Honestly they could consider it if they want to completely overhaul thier system for housing. thing is that Square are MASSIVE cheapskates and only a small part of the subcription money FFXIV makes actually goes towards it. infact FFXIV has been funding MOST of the games from Squareinx for awhile now.

>>715760232
I accept your concession, tumblrina.
Call them evil raycists next.

>>715760297
I feel like that's pretty common for every game company that does more than one game. They all grab money from one game and put it into another.
But of course they should consider it. If nothing else, they might at least want to consider adding the bigger interior shit to apartments.

>>715760305
I'm sorry I don't acknowledge the opinions of knuckle-dragging pavement ape corporation worshippers.
You went so wildly off tangent into your perceived boogeyman that you almost definitely have a mental condition of some kind. What drives you to defend square enix with such veracity? Did you not get enough futanari rabbit cock in your syncshell today?

>>715760426
Say it, anon: "Square don't want to give me instanced housing cause deys evil meanie raycists." Try to get some d-tier chatgpt journo outlets on the bandwagon and maybe you can get something done.

>>715756979
Black Desert Online. You could buy a house in most buildings in any town or city and when you went through the door it'd load your interior or you interact with the door to load other peoples/your friends interior

>>715760512
Square doesn't want to give anyone instanced housing because keeping people chained to the game via their homes (regardless of grace periods being a thing) makes them vastly more money than allowing those people to unsub. Kill yourself you fucking retard. You're just flailing and throwing buzzwords out like candy because you want to fight and argue with someone.
Nigger energy.

>>715760735
>waahh deys evil meanies wahhh poopie stinky square
Lol, keep pissing your panties, troon.

>>715760946
Wash your hands before you type jeet, it makes your posts reek almost as much as you do.

>>715761040
I accept your consneethsion, bskytranny

>>715745970 (OP)
>on paper
>its just instanced reskinned garrison shit

>>715761087
You can't even pick a boogeyman you dumb fucking bastard.
Are you getting your fill of arguing for the day? Filling that empty gaping void in your cranium? Send me your skull measurements I must study you for science.

>>715761181
I've said you were a blueskytranny from the get-go. The rampant HRT, ERP and echochambering on bluesky must have addled your brain.

>>715761241
Yeah see that doesn't really work when you're rushing to the defense of the definitive tranny mmo man. If anything, you're the troon in this exchange.

>>715761337
The definitive tranny MMO you're dilating over not getting a house in..?
The HRT really has fried your peanut brain.

>>715761440
If you were capable of following a reply chain, you'de see I've said I've owned a house multiple times. I in fact, just gave up my house for the final time because this game is in a fucking death spiral that is so bad I don't see a reason to care about the house anymore.
You Don Quixote retard. Chase windmills somewhere else.

>>715761520
>you'de see I've said I've owned a house multiple times.
In the definitive tranny mmo as per your own assertion.
Again, your neurons are blown up. You are a barely functioning, self-mutilating ghoul.

>>715745970 (OP)
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>>715761726
average wowfag

>>715761641
I'm male, was born male, and will always be male. Stop projecting your fetish onto me you fucking troglodyte. It's alarming how obsessed you are with this shit.

>>715761780
>>715761726
It's a fucking jeet

>>715761793
Go scree more about the definitive tranny MMO not doing what you want from it, "ma'am". :')

>>715745970 (OP)
>Housing
Didn't they learn their lesson from garrisons and class halls? Fucking terrible ideas.

WoW is gay trannyslop that you shouldn't support at this point, but I will say WoW never needed housing because its combat is actually fun so fucking around in the world feels good. XIV needs housing because you need 100 things to avoid doing combat. Also 10 years too late, should've been a footnote feature in MoP at the latest.

>>715745970 (OP)
Only took them 20 years

>>715761930
You use ma'am because you cant say sir without typing it as saar and that would blow your cover. Shithands.

>>715762037
sure thing, ma'am (formerly sir)

>>715746218
this but replace tickle torture with cuddling and night elf women with tauren women

WOW
IS
KING

>>715762116
Alright man did you get all your banter out of your system can we stop being obnoxious and hyperbolic now?

>>715755479
Tats. DROPPED.

>>715751498
Uh they have pith helmets chud?! Basically exactly the same as a morion!

>>715762447
i agree anon but I love the plastic whorish look

>>715762150
(gender non-conforming monarch)*

if these games aren't free to play I will never play them it's that simple, I would pay 100$ too or something insane for access but I will not pay 15 dollars a month to be jewed like this, I have to pay for access to my account, I don't need the latest final fantasy chrystal tranny shit or word of whorecraft. I am free. I play free to play games that monotize in other ways and make millions, have your cash shop, but never jew me with 15 dollars a month like it's normal, that's 180 a dollar a year on top of whatever other costs. It just screams "only richfags can play this game." which is terrible, to live in their game and work in it basically. They should pay me!

>>715757602
WoW has only ever been PC only. They cut a lot of corners to "keep their promise" of delivering XIV on PS3.
They've improved a lot as consoles improved but it's definitely a shackle and to deny this is just being retarded.

>>715764036
star citizen is called a scam for instance, that's nothing to a 15 dollar sub for wow of ff I can actually work up to getting a ship in game, you will never work hard enough for the jews to get a free month of subscription.

>>715762131
I'll tickle torture tauren women too idc

>tfw my milkmommy cow, futa goth thrillstitcher, and conniving gobby streetwalker all have to live in a fucking orc mudhut
shame

>>715745970 (OP)
>this house full of cat shit MOGS this other house full of dog shit! dog-shit owners are MALDING and FOX-AND-THE-GRAPES-ING over the superiority of cat shit master race!

>>715761780
Honestly not sure what this guy is. I see him in random game threads too. I want to think he's just playing le epic prank on someone he knows or hates on Discord but who knows.

>>715745970 (OP)
>Player housing in MMO

What purpose does it serve other than a place to AFK?

>>715755193
is this swtor

>>715764295
None really as most people come to learn. The idea is more alluring than the reality.
Especially in WoW because people are primed to absolutely sperg out if they tie some progression system to it.

>>715764381
they are adding renown to it

The way all the 14 shills quit yawnfail out of disgust and came crawling back to wow will always make me chuckle

>>715764824
>Preach
the former WoW shill in the first place???

>>715764824
zepla owes me oral that traitor bitch

>>715764903
Folder dumpy........ even here, even now.........

>>715745970 (OP)
This would have been good in VANILLA.
Now if I have a house there's going to be a panda next door and a fucking repulsive fox thing on the other side. Yeah, for the horde, right? Fuck blizzard

>Zepla was cancelled
>Arthars forces himself to play a game he hasnt enjoyed for 5 years
>Xenos is still trying to be the Asmon of XIV
>NEST is forgotten
>Mr. Happy got fit and turned a lesbian straight
>MTQ is happily married with a kid
Kinda funny how the two content creators everyone shat on for years ended up better off

>>715765102
ability to stay in their fucking lane (comparatively) is why, mr happy even had a big scandal with bragging about being yoshida's lapdog (so he thought) on that one podcast outtake where his mic was hot and nothing happened

>>715764824
Preach was primarily a WoW streamer though. I dunno about others but he hasn't really crawled back to WoW, he only covers them when Blizzard gives him special access.

>>715765102
>Zepla was cancelled
>Mr. Happy got fit and turned a lesbian straight
>MTQ is happily married with a kid
QRDs? I vaguely know who zepla and mr. happy are from the images and the AI of him beating up the tranny, but that's it.

>>715765102
Things were better when the only "content creators" people knew were MTQ and Mr. Happy because of their youtube guides. I guess Larryzaur too for his Basically... videos.
Not sure when things changed, it started before Asmon so can't blame him really.

>>715746398
XIV's issue is its dev team being too scared to try anything.

>>715765354
zepla is a failed XIV streamer who had a crash-out during the omega ultimate because it was way too difficult for her and she was getting carried anyways, she went full-tilt into WoW and gacha to try and retain a similar audience (failed so far) and since then has taken to being a doomposter about XIV

mr happy is one of the older "content creators" for XIV who's known for a mix of being an obnoxious retard and making raid guides, he was chased off his datacenter (aether at the time iirc) for being a dipshit but the ability to keep his mouth shut and his head down plus large playerbase influxes means his negative reputation has pretty much vanished. the AI video comes from one of our own residents starting a very very very brief attempt of a "mr happy GODS vs sena bryer trannies" shitpost war

don't know who MTQ is

>>715765570
Don't forget Mr. Happy and the leaks with ShB/EW. Some of the funniest shit to happen in the game.

>>715765220
It helped nobody cared about XIV back then as well, but he's learned to roll with the punches as well.

I may actually go back to WoW. FFXIV is filled with faggot lefties. While WoW is filled with based libertarian chads.

What's the point of buying a virtual house? I always thought the idea was cool when I first heard of it, that being when it was introduced in Runescape.
Then I found out you just teleport into a blank void and you don't actually buy plots of land in the existing game world.
Doesn't really feel like you're a part of the game the way MMOs execute it. They're just weird trophy rooms for trophies nobody really did anything to earn because there is nothing in any MMO that requires any notable skill or ability. Just time and somebody else's money, I.E. the person who is paying for your real life rent and food.

>>715747106
I'm going to pretend to care just so I can get them changed because they look like shit.

>>715765625
oh goodness right i actually did forget all about that

back during stormblood and shadowbringers there was an actual, verifiable leaker called "blufever" among the XIV development team who successfully predicted a very large number of things about the expansions and upcoming updates, including blue mage's update (originally described as a support DPS by the leaker), viera and hrothgars' existence, machinist's rework, dancer as a ranged DPS, and where the plot was going

he was eventually announced as caught and he was probably either fired instantly at best or sued into the ground at worst. most likely he was a member of the art team or knew people that were in there, since he could reliably predict what jobs we were getting and what was coming in the plot but couldn't go into fine details and often got their placement wrong, like not knowing blue mage would be a "limited" job. mr happy was very, very loud in his announcement of blufever's identification and his role in it and pledged total allegiance to rooting out any future leakers, all in attempt to get into yoshida's good graces and become a more official part of the game's staff

>>715765354
Mr happy got HOT

>>715745970 (OP)
I liked BDOs housing concept the most of any MMO housing system. For those who don't know how it works there are buildings all over the main or side streets of cities and in the wild that you can buy. You can visit if the owner has it public and each version of the building can be loaded live after touching the door with its main shortfalls being that this largely only lets you change the interiors. Something like BDOs implementation with some minor tweaks would be my ideal
>Plots in cities and in far away wild zones
>People can see different iterations of plots which includes building customization within its bounds
>Save or prefer your favorites from strangers friends etc
>Trade stands and AFK help for adventurers on long journeys

>>715765871
He also got very pissed off with people talking about the leaks since he wanted to be the first one to reveal the content.

>>715747331
>Headline
They've already done this once before.
What is the point of reducing flashy spell effects, only to slowly incorporate them again?

>>715745970 (OP)
>Giving money to modern Blizzard under any circumstance

>>715745970 (OP)
why the graphics looks worse than Fable?

>>715746398
>make new game
>ban mods on ffxiv
>release
>???
>profit

>>715766427
>piss everyone off
>appeal to an impossibly tiny minority of shitposters on 4chan that don't play the game in the first place
>"profit"

>>715766484
we are talking about squareenix

>>715766420
2004 game running an ancient engine

>>715766427
They can't ban mods. The only people still playing it are gooners emoting in Limsa with Mare.

>>715747634
picrel had it in 2002.

>>715766882
which makes WoW look even more pathetic in comparison

>>715745970 (OP)
Any other MMOs that had housing but it was removed?
Eve used to have a Captains Quarters where you could walk around a space bedroom and hang out, but you couldnt customise it.
It was a WiP tech demo for the World of Darkness MMO that never came out, then the CQ was removed altogether cuz it was wasting dev time maintaining it cuz of spaghetti code.

>>715746398
wait they are still developing the game for the ps3?

>>715746940
kek

>>715746940
>>715758937
MAKE DA HORDE GREAT AGAIN

>>715762447
I agree, can't have the ladyboy streetwalkers looking TOO trashy now can we?

>>715749989
she literally exiled and removed herself from being a daedric prince, her entire sphere is gone, vacated on which will be taken later by microdick mannimarco at the warp in the west.

>>715757602
WoW has its own limitations like being unable to grant you more than 16 bag slots in your main bag and no more than extra four bags for your additional bag space. Those are issues hardcoded into the game that the devs cannot solve in any way. The problem of FFXIV is that it has many more such issues and they affect more things than just how much inventory space you can dedicate to a single character. In fact, I am willing to believe that WoW housing in its vanilla state will be better than FFXIV housing, but the usage of mod tools like Makeplace and Burning Down The House definitely elevates it far beyond anything that WoW could muster via clipping of items into one another to produce completely different things.

>>715751436
>morrowtranny resorts to shitbride's wife baby's first fanfic

>>715768936
This is neat, but I'd rather just have a full package of Amaurotine furniture, doors, stairs, pillars, rugs, lofts, benches, beds, etc.

>>715768936
bonus points that the devs don't give a fuck about and even softly encourage clipping things into eachother if it gives a cool result

>>715769967
Which is why they should really add a Z-axis officially already.

>>715770059
Imo they should do far more than that and officiate all the features that BDTH and Makeplace client offers. Allow you to preview your housing features in a mockup style test-area, enable the ability to save and load loadouts of furniture and housing items and unlock and decouple attachment requirements and just let people place things wherever the fuck they want them instead of having to spent 30 minutes loft raising something if you don't want to use the mods to do it.

>>715755687
Nobody uses syncshells in FFXIV because of how easy it is to flashbang you with junk crash mods. I could do it to people even with mods that weren't designed for it, just outdated older stuff.

>>715769896
Sure, so would I, but this is a small videogame company, please understand.

Settling down with my husband in a cozy little cottage.

>>715747050
Good devs, bad publishers

>>715759486
Based

>>715771495
Someone should post that google doc in this thread, he gets really upset whenever he sees it.

>>715770742
lotsa anal no?

>>715771861
>psycho richfaggots cannot help themselves even in videogames

>he doesn't own 2+ houses
KEK

>>715745970 (OP)
>on paper

>>715757602
wow is not limited by a fucking ps3
you fucking tech illiterate zoomer

>>715772458
XIV isn't limited by a PS3 either, you tech illiterate zoomer.

>>715746218
This except an underground fighting pit where trafficked night elf women are forced to have sex fights with each other
>>715748478
Shadowlands nuked the lore, Dragonflight nuked the artstyle. But last i heard the classes play well so who the fuck cares.

>>715749240
You must have been a little late. The first 6 months or so were actually pretty normal. There was a period where it wasn't so overpopulated that people could have regular RP in /say chat. The ERPers hid in the hills around Elwynn.

>>715745970 (OP)
Wow, at this rate we might get the dance editor by 2030.

>>715766427
You vastly underestimate how many people banning mods would piss off.

>>715773215
And for absolutely no gain, which is probably the point of how often it's suggested
Le some le men le want to le watch le world le burn

>>715772249
I'm not rich in xiv and I have a house.

>>715765102
>Mr. Happy got fit and turned a lesbian straight
Holy basado

>>715772845
There's something intensely funny to me about a bunch of ERPers hiding in the hills text fucking each other because they're too ashamed to do it in town.

>>715773308
Then it does not apply to you. I have a house too, but a rather prevalent mentality among irl richfaggots is that it's not enough for them to be well off, everyone else should also be worse off so that they would feel mighty and fulfilled by thinking themselves as "superior beings" compared to them. The desire for others not to own houses is a clear reflection of that.

>>715773518
I don't understand that sentiment. Those people are strange. It's not even hard to get a house in xiv unless you're overly particular about location. Mine is in foundation and I love it.

>housing
What about the actual gameplay?

>>715773938
stick to the script

>>715746774
That statement doesn't rule out instanced housing at all you retard

>>715745970 (OP)
And they're going to cover your neighbourhood and house with faggot pride parade shit.
No you don't get a say in this.

Can't even have a night elf house or gnome house or troll house. Is this an indie game? Fucking shit.

>>715745970 (OP)
>mogging ff14
that's not a high bar lol

>>715756979
thats how it worked in asherons call. the houses were added to the world. later they made dungeon housing due to increased demand.

>>715745970 (OP)
oh great it's garrisons again
fuck off i don't believe wow for a second.

>>715747106
>used to call them colors
>now they call them bipocs and that's somehow okay

>>715745970 (OP)
>implement a basic feature that other mmos had a decade ago
wow

is there any MMO where housing was done /right/ and had an actual effect on gameplay?
>buy house
>is it instanced housing? or can only one player own X plot?
>lots of customization/decoration option?
>does it do anything besides eye candy?
>is there any benefit to owning a house?

>>715774319
i remember wildstars was pretty good

>>715773381
It was pretty funny. I wanted to find an old screenshot of the time my party full of gnomes went hunting for them and shamed them, but photobucket cucked me out of all my ancient memories.

>>715745970 (OP)
They made wow look like fucking disneyland !

>>715774319
BDO

>>715756806
Was cool
until it became a depressing ghost town
servers became like detroit

>>715746218
>he thinks player housing will serve any real purpose beyond ERP

>>715746689
No gonna blame Sony for holding back XIV.

>>715746657
my futa orc warlock of course

>>715775239
made for worship by my female gnome

>>715746218
You literally can, they talked about in the last focus that you can make huge ass arenas and shit downstairs if you want to. You can absolutely make your "secret" Stockades.

>>715745970 (OP)
>housing
>not being meaningless nonsense
Yeah go for it wowfags. You really got us with that one. Woooow.

>>715745970 (OP)
housing is only a thing women and trannies care about and the exorbitant developer focus on it is a major red flag for the next expansion

>>715775914
Ion has to justify his 200 person team somehow
Meanwhile 12 interns and a few full timers have released 8 variations of classic and its generated just as many sub.

>>715745970 (OP)
>Housing system
>On paper
Have Retail fags learned nothing from their false promises?

>>715774319
archeage

>>715745970 (OP)
>World Of Cringecraft
>IN 2025
LMAO!

>unironically was thinking about trying WoW again because I'm a little bored
>expansion STILL costs 60 EUR
What the fuck!?

>on paper
so wow still has 0 player housing in 2025

>>715774120
They've literally showed night elf buildings in one of the previews.

>>715745970 (OP)
Americans want housing in games so badly because they'll never be able to afford moving out of their parents home?

>>715776247
The fuck is a "Lamplighter".
That heinous cripple gorilla goes around with a candle on a stick to light up street lamps??

>>715776473
i thought the meme was americans have to move out at 18 but thirdies live with mom until their 50

>>715776627
Rich people live in a collective, poor people live in a collective.
It's only the middle class that has a "chance" to attain generational wealth that for some reason get pressured into fucking over their own family.

>>715747106
>half brazilian half portuguese I know is thrilled by them
>Brazilian bitch I know would be thinking about how to get instant lost in these
>El Salvadorian (male) I know would also be thinking about how to get instant lost in these
It'll just be American retards getting mad

>>715751498
It's just dumb cocksuckers complaining that we don't have yet another indig outfit. Fuck em. If I knew - you know what fuck it, this weekend I'm finding a cheap or free morion 3d model and uploading it to XMA. Time to be the change you want to see

>>715771495
World of Warcraft apologists are subhuman, you know this. From what I can see atleast the FFXIV fanbase has the fucking BALLS to fucking tell Yoshida that what hes doin is garbage. openly and willingly, This time the onus is on the Yoshida and the entirety of SE US for the travesty that is dawntrail. When this is over we'll probably wont see Wuk lamat for a VERY long time if ever, It is officially regarded as FFXIV "Warlords of Draenor" from how botched the entire expac pacing and content issues are.

>>715770881
Nah, the game was even worse in Korea where it was self-published than it was in NA or EU.

>>715745970 (OP)
>WoWchads... I'm thinking we're back.
Game's still woke garbage with RNG to the gills. WHATS YOUR RANDOM VAULT LOOT THIS WEEK BROS? MAKE SURE TO GRIND FOR SOME EXTRA PULLS!!!

>>715776546
Kerosene lamps because she's gaslighting all the chud gamers, presumably

>>715747634
>Literally just precise placement options and no restrictions on where you can place shit, at most any interactable prop shows you if it'll be interactable or not due to being blocked by something else but you can still place it
It's that fucking easy to make a good housing system yet for some reason nearly every single fucking housing system decides to implement retarded restrictions everywhere which just makes everything look worse.
And I still don't fucking understand why they do this shit, at least if the housing has some gameplay purposes like being an actual base that can be raided and has to be defended or someshit then yeah sure I get restrictions for the sake of not making a base that can cheese all those raids by itself but why the fuck do they put any restrictions when it's purely fucking decorative?
I really enjoyed building in ESO because of a lack of any limitations, on the other hand in FFXIV (even ignoring the fact that I could only get a small space to decorate in form of an apartment because I'm not going to be paying for sub just to keep my digital house from being deleted) I feel like anything nice I've built wasn't because of the tools provided but despite of them.

It really is a shame XIV's housing is as bad as it is, from the mandatory sub to keep a house to the extremely limited decoration space. Both things that have been solved in MMOs far, far older than it like Rift and Everquest 2 as examples.

What's the point of housing in an MMO?
Isn't the point of an MMO is for everyone to play together?
If you want to afk or idle, just go sit somewhere, who cares, the fuck?

>>715779338
You play together by showing off what you've built to other players, use the housing as a group/guild hangout spot and incentivize further trading by making decorations need to be crafted or as specific drops, it's a perfect fit for an MMO.

>>715746940
>I cant fucking wait for azshara and westfall to have stripmalls in it. Maybe we can get low income housing in shitholes like deadwind pass and duskwood.
Low income housing would obviously be in the barrens hordecuck.

>>715774706
In fact, it was the ONLY good thing about that game.

>>715779237
yea, you can be really creative if you know what you're doing
>>>/vm/1857249
>>>/vm/1857258

>>715779248
>to the extremely limited decoration space
Deco space is really only limiting outdoors. Indoor limits are pretty generous

>>715779701
That is why almost any detailed decoration has walled off rooms?

wowo housing is garbage and players can exclude people from entering their houses. it will never be better than FFXIV's housing

>>715746556
This is a load of shit
Wards are still instances, they're just limited in number

>>715745970 (OP)
>x continues beating y in a promised imaginary scenario that hasn't been realized yet

>>715779957
Because they overuse items to create extrnely elaborate rooms. If you're decorating your house "normally" then you won't have issues.

>>715745970 (OP)
The only good player housing was Ultima Online.

>>715768936
>Burning Down The House
pretty sure they already showed that's built in for their housing

Even MMOs from the nineties had housing.

>>715747106
>WoW had colonial european age of sail white guys (kul tiran) invade the south american wakanda nation of Zandalar, kill their king, raid their city and plunder their riches
>no one gave a fuck

>xiv has a outfit
>troons loose their mind
explain this

>>715746774
How does that work when everything is sharted anyway

>WoW housing will have flagpoles and people will fly Troon and gay flags

It's over

>>715780786
The gaming scene was unironically different in 2018. People are too politically sensitive these days.

Wow... and it only took them 10 years and counting to add them.

>>715781385
>bfa is fucking 8 years ago

>>715745970 (OP)
Bro if you play wow (or any blizzard game, really) in 2025 then you're a hopeless unsalvageable idiot.
Move on, there's many other games to play. Don't be stuck in the past.

>>715781682
>Don't be stuck in the past.
you'd have a point if you were talking about the batch of "classics" they're doing but modern wow keeps making new content.

>>715745970 (OP)
Bullshit. No one of the wow fags will appreciate this feature because everyone can have a house and there is even no need to come back every few days because it will never be gone after some time.

It's another slop feature for retards who don't know what housing is at all.

>>715745970 (OP)
Ultima Online mogs them all seven years before WoW launched.

Non-instanced player housing is instant soul

>>715780582
Also pic related

>>715747106
conquistadors were in the right, ackshually

>>715781504
Kids that played WoD as their first expansion are now having kids of their own

>>715780582
I hate larpers. Ultima Online's world was fucking empty to accomodate people placing houses wherever they wanted, this shit wouldn't fly in any game nowadays. Also because of this, the world was very immersion-breaking because it's just forests, mountains and people's houses everywhere with their shitty decorations, all with different clashing styles, in places that make no sense.
Picrel, the only UO housing you've seen.

>>715774319
Mabinogi

>>715779701
maybe in small and medium houses, you can hit the cap pretty easily in a large

>>715778594
>It is officially regarded as FFXIV "Warlords of Draenor" from how botched the entire expac pacing and content issues are.
that's retarded though
the content is great and there's more of it than in any expansion except maybe stormblood
whereas WoD's problem is they just stopped adding content two patches in, and the patch between the second patch and the expansion launch just added selfie cams and twitter integration

>>715778594
the only reason wow recovered from wod, bfa and shadowlands was because people told blizzard that shit was trash and unsubbed instead of calling everyone who complained about the game barry and giving yoshida money to keep their virtual dollhouse
and the biggest problems with xiv are all fundamental issues like job design, content cadence and rewards, and how they handled DC travel

>>715779248
>>715779701
At least they're jacking up the furniture limits. not sure by how much, but we'll see in the next live letter

>>715747634
I wish WoW was getting housing options like ESO instead of neighborhoods. I like how there's all sorts of different houses all over the world.

If you really think it wont be instances I got a bridge-game to sell you. Don't you think after 15 years you should know better?

>>715786697
of course it will instances, do you really want to be loading the houses of every other player on the server?
putting it in instances gives a lot more freedom to have your housing be as large, as deviant, as you like.

>>715787176
Would I prefer soul and mechanics that promote emerging gameplay? Yes, yes I would.

Whatever babble you say isn't the reason it will be instances. The reason is: Its easier to do it that way.

>>715787293
retard

Instanced housing has been around for over 20 years, though. Why are people talking about housing in FF14 and WoW, when they are 20 years behind everyone else?

>>715784326
There was nothing wrong with any of that, that's what fucking EARTH looks like you belligerent basement sow. What the fuck did you expect some abstract gigahigh fantasy shit like Planescape?

>>715745970 (OP)
Is this any different from WoD Garrisons?

>>715745970 (OP)
yes yes very good devs HOWEVER
i have no interest in building a house in a shit game with
shit endgame
shit story
shit pvp
etc

i just dont wanna! haha! i just dont wanna! haha!
and i wont!!! haha!

>>715785145
It’s always funny how shitposters know nothing about the game and when someone does know about the game replies to them they just stop replying. Honestly the only thing wrong is that we don’t get a normal raid in OC. So far we gotten OC, chaotic, savages, extremes, SPACE, about to get deep dungeon
variant/criterion dungeon, and later on getting blu mage and beast master. We getting way more stuff than fucking Ew but these retards acting like we got nothing. Probably will get some nigger saying x content doesn’t matter and that just retarded

>>715746398
>>715746689
>>715746984
PS3 support ended nearly a decade ago. Holy shit and I thought the WoW bros coping that their game is still good were slow.

>>715791619
doesn't change the fact it's a PS3 game built on defective spaghetti code and ran by retards

would it kill blizz to make the game more focused on open world stuff

rape and murder anyone who participates in M+

>>715791558
>Honestly the only thing wrong is that we don’t get a normal raid in OC.
I agree.
And I get their reasoning for it beyond the "le resources". But their implementation in general was just very confused.
>We want to make this more like Baldesion arsenal, which was harder, had one mode and required special means to get inside
>Because we wanted to draw people together inside of the game that might otherwise not play with each other, and so create organic raids
>But also there's a 3 rez limit after which you're out, and if the party wipes, they're all out. And it has body checks, so there's plenty of ways for the party to wipe.
>Oh, and we're also going to lock Triple Triad cards and Occult Records behind it, which makes it seem like it's content that we want anyone to casually clear without too much of a hassle.... but it isn't. It requires coordination and punishes you severely
Like two teams were working on two entirely different things and then they mashed it together at the end. I'm not raging about it, but it is puzzling. I'm of the belief that 7.45 will have a new raid as well, just like Bozja did in 5.45, and this one would have a normal mode. And obviously 5.55 will have one since it brings a whole new zone.
>So far we gotten OC, chaotic, savages, extremes, SPACE, about to get deep dungeon
>variant/criterion dungeon, and later on getting blu mage and beast master. We getting way more stuff than fucking Ew but these retards acting like we got nothing. Probably will get some nigger saying x content doesn’t matter and that just retarded
Yeah, 7.1 was a bit of a lull (like every x.1, might I add) because it gave the same very little we usually get, and then one extra fight in chaotic. But we seem to be going down the rollercoaster now. Preferably, I would have liked to get a variant in 7.3x, as I feel there is plenty of space for one, with the fact that we're not getting any updates to OC, other than a new relic step. But I'm not broken up over it.

>>715747376
it's going to kill moonguard and the other rp servers. clique bullshit will get even worse when everyone sits in their private house instance all day

>>715792030
-I do hope we get at least two variants, though. One in 7.4x and another in 7.5x. Furthermore, while I can respect that they're adding a whole new zone for Cosmic Exploration with every patch alongside rewards. That's undeniably more than they did for Ishgard Restoration.
I feel like it's effort that they could have probably spared a little to add an extra Occult Crescent zone instead. I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth, but I feel like Cosmic Exploration is far too niche a content type to warrant getting like.. double the entries of a foray, which traditionally draws in much more people. If I had been planning out these updates, I'd have made one star less for Cosmic Exploration and added a third zone to Occult Crescent at least. I really wonder why they decided to go full hog on one zone in 7.2x (Sinus Ardorum), a second in 7.3x (Phaenna), a third in 7.4 (?) and a fourth in 7.5 (??). Some of that development could've been better spent, just by removing one of these stars.
Also, I hope they're wise this time and land the goal they failed to with Island Sanctuary (as an instanced island everyone got one of that worked just fine) and make Cosmic Exploration culminate in housing in these four areas before expanding it to the rest of the game. They have the means to make instanced areas unique to each player like the island, they have the perfect story setup in that Cosmic Exploration is about making places habitable, and there's also the fact that Ishgard Restoration, which is echoes, resulted in a housing district. Do something with that setup, Square.
>Probably will get some nigger saying x content doesn’t matter and that just retarded
"I don't like it. Therefore it's not content. Because I don't like it and it's not content, that also means it's lazy and had no work put into it. Because the amount of effort put into a feature is contingent on whether I like it."

>>715791731
sorry... we have new m+ season (4 current dungeons and 4 old dungeons you don't like)
prease look forward to it