Why has this board completely buried the issues of VRR flickering on OLED screens and monitors? the more pertinent question is perhaps how did the marketers get away with it? this is a gaming specific problem not acknowledged by apparent 'gamers' on /v/

i just turned off VRR
4k oled + 5090
i don't notice any differences with VRR on or off aside from the brightness flickering

>>715783019 (OP)
go into nvidia control panel and turn your native refresh rate down like 1-5hz's and it fixes it in every game I've played that has a flicker with zero effect to visual quality

>>715783019 (OP)
>VRR flickering
>OLED flaw
Anon, VRR flicker has absolutely nothing to do with OLED panels.

>>715783112
It's supposed to reduce screen tear. That's the purpose of when you turn on gsync.
>>715783693
>turn your native refresh rate down like 1-5hz's
I've not heard of this solution and I'm curious to know if it really works.

>>715783792
Yes it's present on VA panels too. But it is not a problem on an IPS panel.

>>715783932
>I'm curious to know if it really works
I just did it less than an hour ago to play a game called NaissanceE. Game is full of dark and dim area's that was making it flicker bad so I made a custom resolution, left everything default, and only dropped the refresh rate a point and it stopped completely

>>715783932
Yeah it’s weirdly effective. I was skeptical too but dropped my CX’s refresh from 120Hz to 117Hz and it nuked the flickering in stuff like Elden Ring without any noticeable input lag penalty. It’s such a dumb workaround but until panel makers or firmware catches up, it actually helps. VRR still does its job smoothing out frame pacing, but without the stupid brightness pulses on loading/change scenes. Honestly kind of ridiculous this is still a thing in 2025.

I have never owned an OLED. I wouldn't know what the issues are, so the fact that you got OLED-jewed is your problem.

>>715783019 (OP)
on an lg c2, i only see this on loading screens because they are low fps

>>715784630
So 139hz on your screen and VRR flicker magically disappears? that sounds too good to be true. I'll test out your methodology later but I'm not hopeful.

>>715784630
>>715785903
This makes no sense. The flicker happens when the framerate and, consequently, the refresh rate fluctuates rapidly, especially at the lower end: e.g. fluctuating rapidly between 60-80 will cause a more noticeable flicker than fluctuating rapidly between 120-140. In fact at very high refresh rates, like playing CS2 at 300fps, the flicker is practically non existent.
Dropping the maximum refresh rate of the monitor does literally fuck all.

>>715786107
>like playing CS2 at 300fps,
*On a supported monitor whose refresh rate goes that high.

>>715785903
Sorry to correct myself i should say 143hz, but you did say it was a value between 5 before so maybe you meant 139hz correct it. Either way, i don't know what this method supposedly stops it from happening. Is there technical explanation for it?

>>715786107
The only way I've found to reduce flicker as much as possible is by setting the minimum range of the variable refresh rate at half or slightly below half the monitor's maxium refresh rate. So if you have a 240Hz monitor, use CRU or whatever program you want to set the minimum VRR frequency to 120Hz (or 119, 118 if it doesn't work). This way, you will always stay at a refresh between 118-240 due to LFC doubling each frame that goes below the minimum. Will you still notice flicker when transitioning between 117FPS to 118FPS due to the frequency dropping very rapidly from near the maximum to just 118Hz, but it's still a much better experience this way IMO.

>>715786107
>in fact at very high refresh rates, like playing CS2 at 300fps, the flicker is practically non existent.
VRR flicker can happen at high fps, that's a misconception of the problem. I hate to link to reddit post but it's the only way i can point you in the direction of the video.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1gkq941/vrr_flickering_even_with_stable_fps/

>>715786678
I have a 180H and still have it too, but it's far more manageable than at lower frequencies.
Capping only worsens the problem because of the very rapid micro fluctuations. I've noticed that my monitor, when the game is capped at 80 for example, is _constantly_ fluctuating between the mid 70s and mid 90s. I don't understand why monitors behave this way but it's really bizarre.

>>715786107
>>715786239
I don't have a technical explanation at all but it works, I have vsync turned off and use gsync and the flicker went away. Try it

>>715786438
Can you share your CRU settings via screenshot if you don't me asking? I'm gonna test it out and see if it makes a difference.

>>715783019 (OP)
Why would I buy a display that lasts a year under normal usage at best?

What is more curious about this specific issue is that OLEDs are known for being better at producing darker scenes, but this is EXACTLY where the issue of the flicker is noticeable. You will notice it in dark scenes. So how did it get glossed over when OLEDs strengths becomes one of it's weaknesses? i wager this thread will not get much more interaction. This issue will continue to be ignored and people will still shill OLEDs whilst the state of the tech is just not there yet. But i am open to the suggestion that the anon posed in this thread and I'm not hopeful it will do much. Still waiting for monitors unboxed to mention this in his reviews or any of the PC hardware channels to ever mention it.

I only ever notice flicker on menu screens not in-game

>>715788529
if you mean burn in, it's not 2014 anymore, it's a non issue that even if you somehow did manage to burn it in there's built in ways to effectively fix now

>>715785398
Based ips panel or bust

>>715786678
My understanding is this.
It's caused by uneven framerate, big changes in the frametime between frames cause this somehow.

i only notice it on loading screens

>>715783019 (OP)
OLED is not for gaming (monitor) it's for TV

>>715783019 (OP)
Consolefags with OLED TVs are very likely simply not discerning enough to notice this, or do not use VRR in the first place. In the PC gaming space I imagine not that many people are buying OLED monitors because they burn in with PC use, but you can find some discussion on this issue.

ITT Brilliant Anons hoaxing each other into fucking up their monitor's EDID timings. I'm surprised no one's suggested a custom firmware.

>>715791538
Fake news. OLED is *the* gaming king due to inf contrast down to the pixel level. There's literally no better HDR monitor. And response times near CRT & plasma levels. There's nothing better for motion clarity. Nips and Hmongs tricked the world into thinking their fast food drive-thru monitors were good for gaming and we're now back to real display tech a decade after plasma was assassinated.

>>715786438
There is a difference between HDMI-VRR and DisplayPort-AdaptiveSync. G-Sync and FreeSync are DisplayPort methods and they mandate a minimum VRR range of something like max_fps to (max_fps)/2.7 for certification. Many implementations go lower than that, and IIRC the G-Sync modules ("Ultimate") go all the way down to 1fps. This is obviously not ideal, but it looks good on a spec sheet. DP needs bandwidth overhead to manage the FRAME_CLEAR signal (or whatever it's called) and there's processing overhead in the monitor itself. HDMI-VRR is a mich smoother implementation, has no overhead and exploits HDMI's own HOLD signal to get the job done. IF you're having trouble with flickering, switch to HDMI.

It's super confusing because both Nvidia and AMD want to claim that HDMI-VRR is *their* sync method, and accessing the features of HDMI-VRR is done through their software. But it's actually part of the HDMI consortion specification, nothing to do with Nvidia or AMD.

>>715789654
There is NO way to prevent burn-in. Burn-in is just degradation of the pixels themselves due to cumulative use. It cannot be repaired or prevented. You can run cope compensation cycles which slow it down compared to not running them at all as they attempt to even out the screen but there's no prevention and no fixing once it happens.

when are the good oled monitors coming out?

>>715792221
Redpill me on miniLED?

>>715792506
There's nothing to redpill. It's the current LCD cope technology holding the South Korean economy together. Do people still talk about QLED? That had a shelf life of a few years. I'd guess miniLED doesn't even last that. We're onto microLED soon! In a few years, we might get local contrast zones <90% larger than OLED's from 2019.

I play umamusume 4h/day, watch 4h of youtube shit and maybe 2h in here.
which oled monitor would be the best for me?

>>715792506
The redpill you should be asking for is microLED or QDEL.

>>715793001
The cheapest QD-OLED that has the featureset you need.

>>715792816
>>715793013
I forgot what the newest one is called, i just saw it while i was browsing monitors a few months ago

>>715793091
NanoLED?

>>715783019 (OP)
I use VRR on my OLED and don't have any flicker, sounds like a (you) problem. Had it on my old VA panel, though.

>>715793091
microLED is just miniLED with smaller local dimming zones. IIRC it's already in the most recent Apple Watches, so you can compare lookingat an HDR image on a Watch 10 vs 9 to get an idea of mini- vs microLED. TDLR there is practically no difference. The launch M1 Macbook Pro's had more than 2500 zones on a 16" monitor (compare to currently available miniLED monitors: /www.displayninja.com/mini-led-monitor-list/), and even that doesn't look as good as an OLED for HDR and it's far worse for motion clarity.

>>715792221
Please don't try to explain the finer details if displays to /v/ as most anons really, really can't parse the information.

>hey guys, pic related makes your games/films look better!
>oh yeah? Cool! How do I use it?
>simple, just follow this guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

>>715793084
ok, I'm going to get the ASUS XG27UCDMG at $800

>>715792221
>IF you're having trouble with flickering, switch to HDMI.
My monitor drops to 144Hz in HDMI, sadly.

>>715793013
Aren't microled still exclusive to those 100" TVs that cost like $50k

>>715794996
Yes but people have been saying they are 2 years away from mass production for the last 10 years.

>>715794063
As someone who just got a brand new high end TV.... yeah, you're not even memeing.
HDR is overrated as fuck but it's also so fucking complex to set it up, and then switch back to SDR cause fucking hdr doesnt even look good in windows/ non-gaming

>>715792506
All i can say is that haloing on FALDs (miniLED) is more tolerable than VRR flicker on OLEDs. But that's still a flaw and must also be recognized as such.

>>715783019 (OP)
Looks great on my monitor

>>715783019 (OP)
Not real take meds

>>715794063
>>715795667
Nah. I can't play HDR games in SDR anymore because of how dull SDR is in comparison. Even on a low zone VA monitor, games look so much better in HDR it's not even funny. I only turn it off in games where the implementation is dog shit.
For the vast majority of games I just turn HDR on and that's it.

>>715795667
HDR is great but for what SHOULD be a on/off system requires far too much technical knowledge and that is assuming the media in question (most notably games) doesn't fuck up the implementation. RE2/3/4 remakes are priome examples of mangled HDR that you need something like RenoDX to fix. Or you get shit like far cry 5 that just assumes your display does 1000 nits so if you are below that it clips and above that it doesn't get bright enough.

>>715795935
>Or you get shit like far cry 5 that just assumes your display does 1000 nits so if you are below that it clips and above that it doesn't get bright enough.
You wouldn't buy an HDR monitor uncapable of hitting 1000 nits, would you?

>>715783019 (OP)
it's a VRR issue and only appears when you have an unstable framerate which causes the display to constantly turn on and off low framerate compensation. it's more visible on OLED and VA vs IPS and TN.

fixes are don't have shit frame times (which is impossible on some UE sloppa), don't let the framerate hover around 40-50, use a gsync module or turn off VRR.

>>715795823
whats your favorite HDR implementations in games? i heard someone say Shadow of tomb raider or one of the Horizon games does it well.
>>715795935
Man... this is way shittier than i thought...

>>715796082
This is the shit i'm about - people not understanding HDR beyond a simple marketing buzzword that often isn't even accurate. Trueblack400 is a higher standard that displayHDR 1400.

>>715796179
Ori and will of the wisps.

>>715783019 (OP)
>Switch from 300 to 5fps quickly
That's not a thing you should ever aim to have while playing. Stabilize your framerates if it happens while you're doing something. It's not the monitor's fault your shitty game decides to do this on loading screens.

>>715783019 (OP)
G-Sync Ultimate modules apparently solve the flicker issue but theres only 2 OLEDS that have ever gotten it
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/

I'm sorry, I'm just not buying anything but IPS in 2025. Just not going to happen. Sorry, your OLED toys are just not mature enough. Call me when backlight bleed that is only noticeable if you're raping your eyes by playing in a completely dark room (which you never should do unless you want to wear glasses by 30) is the biggest of your problems.
I'm sticking with IPS and CRTs until affordable consumer MicroLEDs is a thing. Don't forget to take breaks like a good goy.

>>715796179
Not many do it well. Thank god for RenoDX.
But Stellar Blade looks fucking B R U T A L on HDR on an OLED screen. I haven't seen anything better at all. The intro made me cum before there were any female characters on screen.

>>715796687
>stellar blade
Goddamn it anon, i already bought that fucking game TWICE (digital and physical) on PS5... dont make me buy it a third time on PC, cocksucking greedy devs and their denuvo cancer.
Unless it has HDR support on PS5 then maaybe ill revisit it again (i didnt have an HDR tv last year)

>>715793182
>sounds like a (you) problem.
No it's a universal problem, just because you're not noticing it doesn't mean it isn't occurring. I'd even be skeptical about what RTINGs considers VRR flicker free, they likely never ran into every scenario either.
>Had it on my old VA panel
VA panels do display the same symptoms.

>>715796304
I havent played that game, i did buy the first one long ago but havent even started it at all.. i'll check it out thanks

>>715796251
TrueNigger 400 can't hit 1000. If you want 1000 nits, full screen, only VA or IPS can do that without dimming.

>>715783019 (OP)
>VRR flickering
schizophrenia

>>715796865
It should have HDR support on PS5, but on PC it runs like a fucking dream and it just looks too good on HDR (OLED).
Even at a measly True Black 400 I don't want to go

nobody would give a fuck about vrr if modern games werent so laggy and stuttery. g-sync was out for years before it became mainstream. i feel like games 15 years ago had less input lag even with v-sync on

>>715797272
....back to HDR goddammit why did I hit submit

>>715797178
Enjoy your low contrast then anon.

>>715796550
>G-Sync Ultimate modules apparently solve the flicker issue
That's because those were the last proper hardware gsync modules put into monitors. (until gsync pulsar comes) Perhaps the issue has something to do with that the physical hardware modules in monitors stopped for the production of later OLEDs. Likely to bring down costs, and as such we see this current trainwreck that we're currently seeing. That's only a blind guess, but I'd wager it might have something to do with the equation if this is just how the 'g-sync compatible' monitors behave.

>>715797313
Ok I think I need to lay down a bit
I meant back to SDR

>>715783974
the LG IPS panels I have can have it happen
VRR is a meme if you don't have shitty hardware

>>715797272
To be fair stellar blade ran extremely fluidly at a more or less locked 60fps on a standard PS5. Shiftup did an amazing job.
But anyway if i DO play stellar blade, it's gonna be full on VR with my rtx4090. Sorry buddy, but smooth good resolution VR experience >>>>> HDR+4k.
If you think HDR is amazing, seeing Eve in full 3d right in front of your face is truly something else

>>715797309
Back in the day we just played doom at 18fps on DX4's

>>715797568
I never, ever tried VR so I believe you

>>715792221
>There's nothing better for motion clarity.
Except for that technology from 1950...
It's insane that 30 years after CRTs were abandoned, we still don't have decent motion clarity, which includes OLEDs.

>>715783019 (OP)
Is this true or bait? I fucking despise tearing so if this is the case, I'll be sticking with with IPS.

>>715797636
Im not a VR shill or anything , but please do yourself a favor and try VR (either standalone quest 3 or PC vr if you got a beefy PC).
Especially if you're a coomer you'll absolutely get hooked.
Or heck you dont even have to be a coomer, even just resident evil games (like 7,8, 4R) in VR are a big treat

>>715789654
the way to fix it is to barely use the monitor and certainly not for a daily use computer

>>715792506
You know those super bright electronic highway billboards you see sometimes? Imagine that on your desk.

>>715797726
What sucks even more is that such motion clarity wasn't so dependent on high framerates.
Everyone could stay on cheap builds and still have full motion clarity. Now it's real expensive, you gotta reach 200 to 300fps. Not many games get there. Definitely not modern games without heavy frame gen that ruins absolutely everything and introduces a lot of input lag.
From what I understand the closest thing that's not CRT to something at least not too fucking blurry on 60fps is plasma. But who the fuck is going to buy a Plasma TV in current year?

>>715797845
I just don't want anything facebook branded. Isn't that shit still fairly pricey? I say this as I spent 650 eurobucks on a monitor sure, but I'm not sure I want to pay the equivalent if there's not enough shit to play on it.

>>715797726
it is also the only benefit to crts. 500hz oleds will provide the same level of motion clarity and thats before factoring in BFI

Pic related is why I will never buy OLED.
I don't tend to view sophisticated, high-tech products as disposable.
I use my PC 18 hours a day. No one is going to convince me that a screen that starts to degrade from the first second it is turned on is useful to me.

Wait a sec guys.....is this flicker shit ONLY for MONITORS, or are we talking about TVs here?
or is this flicker and burn-ins stuff on both oled monitors AND tvs regardless?

>>715798152
You should be sleeping more than 6 hours a day, at least 6:30 plus a nap 6-9 hours after waking

>>715797182
>schizophrenia
Here comes the OLED shill defense force that claims a real problem is 'schizophrenia'.

>>715797996
Maybe the lack of motion clarity on modern displays is partially responsible for the younger generations' rapidly deteriorating eyesight.

>>715797891
You can do web browsing for several hours a day and you won't get burn in for years.
Every test that has managed to get burn in with more current monitors has only achieved so after a year and some months by showing a static image at full brightness with no protection features. That is something pretty much no one does on any monitor (unless I don't know, you buy a monitor just to show a fucking image for hours on end, and I wouldn't personally spend much for that purpose, and if done professionally I'm willing to bet there are better monitors for that specific purpose).
At worst if you work on excel spreadsheets for hours on end, it is going to be detrimental, but most people who need to do that sort of thing don't do it at home and if they do, they have office equipment, not entertainment equipment. I wouldn't ever work on a fucking TV either.

>>715798078
>Facebook boogeyman
Your info is vastly outdated friendo, as of last year (or even 2 yrs ago), you dont even need any facebook account bs to use a quest 3. You can just create a brand new Meta account for a new Quest 3 and you're good to go within mere minutes. The facebook fud is just old news.

And if you still dont want a quest 3, theres Bigscreen Beyond and other even more powerful headsets for PC nowadays. But pricier, and much lighter on your face and higher resolution

>>715798243
>plus a nap 6-9 hours after waking
spotted the lazy Europoorian.

>>715798334
I don't know about that.
I always had more trouble with CRTs. I could not set a CRT just to 60hz without feeling some serious eye strain in my early teens. I always set them at 85hz minimum. In fact the point at which I suffered more from that was at the point I was still working with CRTs frequently.
There's a few monitors (specifically some IPS philips office one I bought several years ago) where the backlight does cause eyestrain. Not all of these monitors are equal, that's for sure.

>>715798302
nothing to do with oled
vrr/pwm flickering schizos are mentally ill

>>715796605
I hate backlight bleed too, but shackling yourself to yet another problem with display tech is not only nonsensical, but moronic and equally a drop in standards.

>>715798578
https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Biphasic_life
Biphasic sleep is what we all used to do before the industrial revolution. Its the best for your body. Slaves will rely on caffeine midday to stay awake and focused

>>715798434
>Bigscreen Beyond 2 eyetracking
>1.549,00 EUR
I would actually bite if I genuinely made enough use of it. But I'm afraid it's going to be like a toy.

>>715783019 (OP)
can't you just turn VRR off? I was under the impression that VRR is for screen tearing and with OLED's refresh rate it shouldn't happen or something
t. budget ips user

>>715798689
yeah people don't notice it are brain damaged

>>715798809
Backlight bleed is a solved issue oled chud,

>>715799037
t. EHS schizo

>>715799124
force vrr on always and watch a 4:3 video with black bars. you will be able to notice the gamma changing on the black bars. its not like pwm flicker where its impercievable, its just mostly noticable the darker image is

>>715798917
Yeah, VRR can be turned off and through nvidia you can also choose if you want or not to have VRR on windowed mode.
Tearing is not perceived the same on all games. Even at a high refresh rate it's far easier to perceive tearing on something like a 2D game than a first person shooter. That's why you'll find many people don't mind playing a shooter at 200fps without any kind of sync on at all and they'd prefer it that way.
When you play with a controller shit's more obvious. Even at something like 130fps you'll notice at least a bit of that. If you have vsync on, it gets worse actually. Not because of input lag or anything like that (it's far less noticeable on higher framerates) but because if you move the camera around consistently you'll notice small "jumps", some sort of annoying juddering, because the refresh rate obviously cannot match the framerate at all. It really fucks it over.
I have a 360hz OLED monitor myself, and there's been several times where for whatever reason (maybe installing drivers again or whatever) VRR was disabled and I could tell right away without having to check anything. "Why does it look like shit when I move around even though I'm getting a lot of FPS" and then I check the monitor OSD, and it's telling me VRR is disabled.
Of course I also notice when it's enabled because some games have a tendency to change framerates very rapidly in loading screens and there is brightness flickering, like the webm in the OP. But if you'll notice in that webm at the bottom, that's happening because it's fluctuating very stupidly, and normally you wouldn't encounter that while playing, unless you had a horribly unoptimized game.

>>715783019 (OP)
just turn VRR off. i only ever had to do this for tarkov and stalker.

>>715798243
I leave my PC working for me even when I'm not around. And no, I don't keep turning the monitor on and off. If I need them on 24 hours a day, they'll have to work. My second-to-last monitor endured 10 years of abuse without complaining, and my new one is already in its fourth year and the image is still 100% uniform (except for one dead pixel).

>>715788529
i’ve been using an lg c9 for 6 years without problems

>>715798194
At least burn in is in anything OLED.
Of course there's no set rule that says they'll burn in in a month. It depends on things like usage, brightness, what the fuck are you displaying for hours on end. The only truth you have is that it's something that will happen sooner or later.
The other thing you have is that some manufacturers are very clear about covering burn in through their warranty. It's something to keep in mind, I know many people don't want to be doing replacements years after, but it's a resource you have. You could get burn in 2 years and a half later through whatever usage (it's not like you're voiding anything by setting brightness as high as the monitor allows) and then get a replacement.

>>715800284
LG C2 here. 3 years and going strong

>>715783019 (OP)
fucking hell, is there ANY type of panel that doesnt have glaring flaws?

is IPS black good?

>>715802083
IPS blacks/contrast ratio is shit. and backlight bleed can make dark scenes worse.

>>715799807
>just turn VRR off.
The issue i take with that simple suggestion is that OLED gaming monitors are being listed as VRR capable, and more importantly being branded with gsync capable stickers on them. It seems like false advertising if they can't even work with what is labeled on the box without issues. Coming from an IPS LCD this stuck out like a sore thumb to me and i am baffled that very few people see how bad it is. The solution should not be to turn it off, that's simply unreasonable.

>>715797459
>VRR is a meme if you don't have shitty hardware
No it just replaces the shitty in game vsync which adds too much input lag, so it is useful.

>>715783019 (OP)
It's not a big deal because these TV's cap at 120hz and if you got a beefy PC then is easy to lock the FPS or keep it high.

As for consoles most games barely go past 60fps and VRR only works at 48FPS or above.

So at the end this is a very specific issue most people will never even experience and is also very easy to avoid too. The flashing/blinking only happen when the FPS is jumping all over the places and only in dark scenes.

oh my science i love screen tearing

>>715803290
He asked about IPS Black.

>>715800284
>>715800835
AW3423DWF since release (3 years?) and still perfect. Spends a ton of time on the desktop, too.

Another issue i have is with the tech tubers that popularized wide spread adoption of OLED monitors like Linus Tech Tips, Monitors Unboxed and Daniel Owen that put out videos to the effect of: that if you only buy and upgrade PC hardware but then don't fork out the money for an OLED, you won't see any improvements in your gaming experience. That a monitor is as good as an upgrade as a fast CPU or GPU. These people are the ones who i hate who deceptively push people into beta testing shit. They've never addressed this issue once.

>>715806946
Who knew that paid shills would shill!?

>>715806946
well there's no point having a high end gayming rig and pairing it with a shitty ips/tn/va panel
hdr is a bigger image quality improvement than raytracing and has 0 performance cost

>>715783019 (OP)
Thechnologies made for film (from loseless compression to DLSS to local dimming) aren't meant for visual clarity, fine details, text, stuff like that. So yes, they can make your image look worse, especially when it comes to shitty gamer/consumer devices like what Asus sells.

>>715807337
>loseless compression
Meant to say, lossy compression.

>>715807320
HDR is a meme within itself.

>>715783019 (OP)
They don't flicker like that unless you turn on dogshit useless options like VRR, G-sync or other meme garbage

If you use handheld or a monitor you are a child who cannot afford a TV because you do not have a job

>>715807575
What if I have a job but my rent costs 900€ a month?

>>715806946
My experience with reviewers is when I was shopping for a work from home screen during covid, I got to try some pretty well reviewed IPS screen from LG. Gues what, it was garbage which with uneven white color and grey tint in the corners. In horror, I returned the piece of shit.

>>715807739
You haven’t put even 20 a check away for a TV? Oh wait you’re a child and mommy only lets you have her cell phone to play on

just bought a cheap ass 1440p 180hz chinese ips and it looks amazing bros

>>715807562
Needless to say I'm watching this gif on a non HDR-screen.

In theory, if HDR in monitors is similar to HDRI in 3D graphics it can be cool: you'll perceive which objects emit light vs which do not. But it's more of an artistic thing than utilitarian, like 3D in movies.

>>715808243
>Needless to say I'm watching this gif on a non HDR-screen.
That is the entire point - if HDR was the game-changers shills make it out to be that gif wouldn't work.

>>715807135
>Who knew that paid shills would shill!?
A little shameless on that note too.

>>715807909
What?

If I use my OLED TV (LG C3, 2 years old) as a monitor, realistically how long would it take to get burn-in that's noticeable (so not just random colors that I'll never see in actual content)? By use as a monitor, I mean 80% static content 8-16 hours a day, no black background or dark mode, 20-30% OLED brightness when not viewing games/movies.

Ok antioled fags, give me a good ips or va monitor then. $600 or under

>>715807320
>well there's no point having a high end gayming rig and pairing it with a shitty ips/tn/va panel
If that screen does not have flickering with gsync turned on then it is worth using. If the whole draw of OLED is contrast then it falls apart in dark scenes. It's very much a double edged sword.
>>715807575
>or a monitor you are a child who cannot afford a TV
No i just prefer a higher refresh rate than what TVs are offering. There is also some negative aspects of bigger screen tvs with competitive fps games. They obscure your view with too much screen real estate. Just a fact that you'll track faster with a screen that is better in view of your eyes completely.
>>715807565
Why is the defense of OLED owners that VRR is a meme? if the companies that manufactured these panels didn't think they could deliver on proper VRR then they shouldn't have bothered with a gsync certification at all and said it's not supported. Pretty simple, they just didn't want the marketing bottom line to suffer if people saw it missing.

>>715798152
Those aren't OLED's, they're bottom lit LED TVs

>>715809606
Also worth noting that I have that 5 year geek squad warranty so ideally I should burn it in 2-2 1/2 years from now so I get my money's worth.

I don't get any backlight glow on my IPS.

>>715808391
I don't have and HRD screen, but I guess the point would be that things emitting light you would actually perceive as emitting light, they'd be much brighter than everything else.

>>715807562
Bro what the right looks infinitely better on my HDR monitor.

After playing alien isolation on an oled i'm never going back to untermensch display types.

>>715807320
>hdr has 0 performance cost
isn't it like a 6~8% perf cost? not that I mind since I use a 4k240hz oled, but it exists

>>715812114
Hmmm, yet the picture still works on my IPS. Interesting.

>>715812253
No. External means of hooking in HDR (such as reshade, and RTX HDR) incur a performance hit due to the nature of injection.

>>715793171
NanoLED isn't an LCD technology, it's an actual OLED replacement (seemingly) once companies start manufacturing displays with it.

The response times alone make oled worth it.

>>715783019 (OP)
OLED is a dead technology.
burn-in, flickering, price.

>2025
>there's no good screen tech yet
Yep, time to continue being a CRT faggot i suppose

>>715812114
Yet you've never refuted flicker actually hurting the quality of the image in motion via framerate. So what the fuck is your point? that you liked how it looked dark? that does not say shit about a flicker happening anytime some small fluctuation happens. That is the problem here, not whether you think the blacks look good.

>>715812390
The picture does, but if someone takes a video of an oled panel in movement, your IPS will add smeary shit to it.

>>715798152
Kek.
You just showed why edge lit LCD TVs should be avoided.

Oleds have awful motion clarity which is worsened by VRR flicker. Combined with crt levels of brightness (lmao 120nits) and very short lifespan it is obvious only shills and idiot consoomers hype them up here. The fact that they don't even come in resolutions that people actually use is even for damning.

>>715792506
another buzzword to mask LCD

>>715813373
If you have a NASA-tier CRT, yeah. Use that shit until it dies.

>>715793367
microLED appeared before miniLED and is actually a real colored LED matrix. It's not available to consumers.

>>715815154
I want it to last, so i only use it to play games.
No static GUI anything.

>>715813373
Was it really impossible to miniaturize this technology further? I love my CRT but when I move I probably won't be able to find a place for it. Shit is fucking huge.

>>715815230
I use a small one, because the weight increase exponentially with the size.
it's quite fucked up

>>715815658
I have a 29'er
It ain't great, specially since it's a flatron, but it's a big'un

>>715813067
I'd agree with the response times being a very appealing aspect to OLED, not so much the flickering which sours the whole deal. One flaw can in fact impact everything else negatively. At which point i would just go for the fastest 540hz TN panel, which may not compete in pixel response, but will compete input lag, not to mention better motion clarity with backlight strobing/DYAC/ULMB.

My TV is a 55 inch TCL I bought for 5 hundo, and is touted to have QD-MiniLED. Blacks are about 75% there in comparison to OLED from my viewing. I do not see why I would pay an extra $1000 for OLED just to have a bit nicer blacks along with all the other shit OLED cons there are.

>>715816447
Good luck holding 540fps consistently.

>>715816978
Mario 64 decomp exists for a reason

>>715817131
Seems excessive to get inferior colour reproduction in a game built around bold, vibrant shades.

>>715817424
Indeed indeed.
Probably have to wait for F-Zero X recomp or something.

>>715785238
You're supposed to be doing that on every monitor with VRR anyway.

>>715783932
having a high refresh rate monitor already solves the screen tear problem, more chances for frames to line up perfectly per second

>>715809989
I notice no one has replied to this guy after two hours. I wonder what that means...

>>715819098
It means we don't respond to false flag posts.

>>715816867
i got one of the recentish, highly reviewed in rtings miniLED samsungs and i do not get the hype at all, and on top of it the haloing is genuinely noticeable. the one thing it actually looks really good at is bright colorful anime like frieren

>>715807562
Looking at this on my phone, HDR is bomb.

>the reason I still have a shitty 720p LED screen is because I'm smart and tech savvy, not because spending a few hundred dollars on an OLED is impossibly expensive for me
Why are anti OLED copers like this in every thread?

>>715816867
Horror is one of my favorite genres so OLED is worth it to me. Hopefully we'll get affordable microLED within the next decade.

>>715819676
If you invent magical scenarios to make yourself think you win some sort of debate you have bigger problems anon.

>latest poornigger cope thread

>>715819676
I bought an OLED screen and noticed it looking like shit in dark scenes and then refunded it. Tried a few different ones after and they all flickered. For now I'm using a FALD that looks like shit with haloing if I'm being completely honest, but is not anywhere as intrusive on my eyes as flickering with VRR.

>>715816867
It's all about price points and what you want out of it.

I have a laser UST projector that does HDR actually prety well but lacks gamut. It's perfect for movies and TV which never have very wide gamut anyway, but will occasionally have HDR. It was $1000 in 2020 and goes up to 150", but I leave it around 70" for the increased brightness.

OTOH my gaming monitor is an OLED because there's just nothing else comparable. Image stability and HDR is amazing, and it's "bright enough" for a room with only 1 window. $1200 and I wouldn't save even $1 for something less.

I do content work on a MBP. The gamut is what I need there, and color precision. But the image in motion is terrible. Literally falls apart before it even gets to 60fps. $2600 but it comes with a whole computer and OS and apps.

Have OLED screens stopped using that retarded subpixel layout that makes text look fucked up yet?

>>715820825
That's unique to Samsung panels, which make their way into other companies' products. Anything marketed as QD-OLED will have the weird subpixel layout. You notice it not at all while gaming, and frankly I only notice it in Windows. Maybe it's a Trutype thing?

daily poorfag cope thread lmao

>>715820825
its fine on a 32" 4k panel but anything with a lower ppi is unuseable.

VRR is flawed at its core. My IPS gets backlight flicker in games locked to 60 FPS even though GPU utilization is nowhere near 100% and any overlay doesn't budge one (1) frame. It has a VRR floor of 48Hz.

>>715821058
WOLED still has issues but it's really just a Windows Cleartype problem. If you install Mactype and use OLED profiles it fixes it.

>>715819797
Hopefully capcom won't fuck up the HDR again in RE9.

>you're a poorfag if you bought a screen and saw its flaws firsthand
It's not even like this is the case of where it's expensive to get into a niche. Take for example virtual reality where that requires actual investment to get a good experience out of all of it, and because it's also not for everyone some people will call it a gimmick. On the other hand anyone can experience display tech and evaluate it's flaws because it's just apart of your main hardware setup as much as your CPU or GPU were when you built your PC. The common response to claims of burn in being a solved issue does seem to have some form of supporting evidence, although cannot be fully substantiated due the testing time still not being adequate enough. But what cannot be refuted by anyone on youtube is VRR flicker.

>>715792341
>noooo my screen wont last 20 years!

who the fuck cares

>>715822197
/vr/

10 bit color is a scam fyi

>>715819337
Miniled local dimming should only be used in HDR content. (Active tone mapping)

Miniled is not built for SDR

But but hdr sucks
Use RTX hdr or RenoDx

>>715783019 (OP)
we need to bring back CRTs

why would u ever use vrr ?
t. 240 hz chad
if u say screen tearing ur literally exposing urself as a 60 hz subhuman

>>715796082
OLEDfags absolutely do.

>>715822197
That shit won't even last 1 year if you use it for daily work. Fucking smartphone batteries are more resilient than OLED computer monitors and those things are considered consumables.

>>715823568
Improved smoothness & no screen tearing at the same time. The real question is, why don't all monitors work like this by default instead of refreshing at arbitrary, static numbers that have literally nothing to do with the content being displayed?

being poor should unironically be a crime

>>715820825
They've mitigated 95% of the issue in 3rd gen qd-oled and beyond, I can't notice any text issues, looks the same as my 1440p ips monitor

>>715824658
>1440p
>IPS
Pooooooooooooooooor

>>715824751
It's the monitor I use for very static content like web browsing and sns, plus you start to run into massive bandwidth issues when you have more than 1 DSC enabled monitor, even on a 4090 (ie: you can only have 2 DSC enabled monitors functioning on a single card, which takes up 4 internal heads and will block anymore monitors from being connected)
and no, i'm not putting in another card and fuck up my available pcie lanes which I plan on using in the future nigger