We can be done with the bad parts of XIV and embrace the future

>>715838441 (OP)
Generals belong on /vg/

how do we fix dawntrail

>>715838441 (OP)
what did he mean by this?

>>715840103
Old man sucks the guch

>>715838441 (OP)
KATE CYNWAR AND DAICHI HIROI KILLED 10 YEARS OF GOOD WILL.

>>715841525
How?

>>715841525
What good will? All of that died in HW

>>715841636
SUN GAWDS

>>715838441 (OP)
I don't get this sentiment. Has Dawntrail somehow ruined the core game, every other expansion, and every other facet of the game? Or is this just jaded autists desperate to bitch about anything? A new player isn't going to hit this shit until they have well over 1000 hours in the game. Like saying Metal Pack 2 ruined Rock Band.

>>715841880
do you have to pay 40 bucks to play metal pack 2? do you have to beat every single song on metal pack to get to play the new dlc that songs that you actually want to play? do you see the problem? is wasting 3 years of a game something we we magically forget after getting to the next expansion?

>>715838441 (OP)
Well, /v/?

>>715842324
shard hopping.
>tech shard with omega and alpha companions.
>B team scions get some shine
>kill off alisaie
>fire kate and hiroi

>>715842403
what's wrong with Alisae?
if anyone needs to be killed of it's Wuk

tempted to buy off the mogstation again... old habits die hard

>>715842608
alisaie took up most of the screentime before wuk.

>>715842816
so what's wrong with Alisae?

>>715842403
>shard hopping
Genuinely awful. Rest of post is good.

>>715842403
>shard hopping
fuck right off, it's one of the few things that make shb special, the dogshit writing already ruined the game's past no need to shit on it further.

>>715841880
The truth is that this started at the second half of Endwalker. Then the 6.0 patches just dragged it down more. 7.0 was the culmination of all that.

And even though 7.0 has the best trails in the series, the job design is still pancakes, dungeons are pointless, and the story has become abysmal.

They can’t fix xiv bu just making 8.0s story really good anymore. Has to be fixed on all four fronts of
>story
>exploration
>dungeons
>job design

>>715842930
>>715843237
>make a whole new continent plural
>theyre absolute slop
>to erase the shame you dont mention it and go to something else.

thats how the japs settle things and how it will work. Merycydia is too early chuds.

>>715843237
I was thinking about how it was a mistake for them to invent "13 parallel worlds" during HW. Something I was thinking is that what they should've done was only 1 parallel world, and each calamity was picking apart at that world.
Because after how the Thirteenth/Void became Le \FF4 and the Ninth is just Le FF9, it kinda feels dumb how creatively bankrupt it is. If it was less, it could've had a better focus.

>>715843362
Yeah whatever XIV is already dogshit with time paradox retcons, let's just go full multiverse marvelslop and get Louisoix from another shard who's evil

>>715843517
The other shards weren't meant to be explored. You get everything you need to know about them from WoD subplot in HW, and SHB is only good because it builds on that.

>>715841985
Yeah, people already mash through parts of ARR, HW, and SB that suck including the shitty intermissions. All stuff that didn't "ruin" stuff like Endwalker. Things that were "literally the worst thing ever" are footnote nothingburgers now. So thanks for confirming that this is pointless bitching, just the "dark times" when your main did 0.2% max theoretical less DPS.

>>715843517
It’s cute for what they were trying to do, a little multiverse thing.
However it essentially is just two worlds, the first and the source. The void could just be some magic realm nonsense at this point.

They didn’t even focus on the shards in Endwalker finale, they went to fucking space.

Are we finally free from modern fashion streetwear bros

>>715842930
>shard hopping hasn’t been hinted at for fucking years and we haven’t been to two shards already
Bait or fucking retarded? Plus y'shtola is actively trying to make a way to shard hop. We should be fine without it because of azem goblet but the sicons need a way to come with us. I’m really hoping Estinien, Krile, and G'raha come with us. Y'shtola will be trying to go back to the first and the twins will most likely stay garlemald. I’m honestly pretty excited on what shards we will go to

>>715843737
>just the dark times
just like the dark times

>>715842786
>tempted
>again

>>715844018
See >>715843714
There's nothing thecother shards can add to the narrative because WoD+SHB already did everything. What has the 9th added besides rejoining 2.0 and FF9 fan service? What did the 13th add besides FF4 fanservice?

>>715843737
I 'member when ARR being kinda long was literally worse than Hitler, nowadays Dawntrail being kinda long and having a furry is Supermegadeathhitler. There are no new complaints about this game only endless reruns

>fourteenies unironically want to have episodic adventures with the same tired cast of scions in the ice world, fire world, wind world, mushroom kingdom, etc forever and ever

>>715844347
It unironically would've been better than DEI-Tural where they weren't allowed to do things.

>>715842324
hikaru looks different

>>715844538
>where's my human sacrifice, the only thing i know about mesoamerica!!!??

>>715844347

>deep dungeon
>its a true roguelike
>starting job determines your starting skills, consolidated into pvp buttons for combos
>leveling gives you a choice for a random skill ranging from something normal to wacky ass shit like bozja/eureka/crescent skills or even blue skills or unique shit made for deep dungeon

>>715839861
By unsubbing from the game, unironically this is the only real answer that you can do to make the developers take notice there is something wrong.

>>715844347
All the scion character arcs are done.
I get have the twins and Yshtola around, okay.

For how much Yoshida likes One Piece, and how DT was inspired by it, the Scions are cardboard cutouts in this story.

>>715844937
They know all the issues with the game. People aren't stupid.

The question is whether they'll have the guts to change XIV's content pipeline.

>>715839861
0. A deep apology to fans for how pozzed they, SE, have been and a pledge to stop being so gay
1. Fire Yoshi-p, Kate, and Sena. If there is a country where they could be publicly executed, trick them on to a plane to said country and do so, broadcast it, to signify that this gay era has come to an abrupt and some may say violent close, but I don't see it as violent but rather justified
2. A major content release every 3 months
3. An end to job homogeneity, which I think means making them less gay
4. Banning anyone who talks about being trans, reporting them to authorities if there is any question that they've been in contact with a minor in any way, shape, or form
5. Make gear interesting, somehow
I would resub happily if that list of demands were met

>>715843352
>exploration
>dungeons
>job design
So it can't be salvaged. All of those only ever went in one direction since ARR. You're asking the people making decisions to do a complete 180 on the mindset they've had since 2013

>>715845174
>no doggo mount

kek.

>>715845067
>The question is whether they'll have the guts to change XIV's content pipeline.
I can answer your question, that'll be a no. As long as they have YoshiP as Producer Director and head of Creative Studio 3, that'll be a no. He's streamlined the content pipeline to his specifications and he doesn't want to change it.
He was asked about changing Dungeons because they're too samey, but the answer he gave was a long winded reply that amounted to saying 'no'.

Your FF14 streamers, why'd they quit FF14?

>>715846289
>le angry yelling ragebait man
good riddance

>>715844824
In retrospect it's not that bad of an idea albeit

Kill wuk, fire Kate and sena, cut ties with any "consultation" shills publicly and apologize for dawntrail, yoshida

>>715844347
as opposed to episodic adventures with real world parallel #361879361+ other progressively worse each time FF game parallel #371893071? Meracydia is just australia

>>715846078
>He was asked about changing Dungeons because they're too samey, but the answer he gave was a long winded reply that amounted to saying 'no'

It also comes down to whether they think it's a production issue or a player streamlining issue.

>>715844824
"True roguelike"
Its not turnbased THOUGH

>>715844691
Right my fellow redditor I sure do love tacos and ponchos and friendship and rubber bullets !

where's the birb?

>>715841880
If Metal Pack 2 altered the way the game played, yeah. There are significant issues with job design, in my opinion. Granted, DT isn't solely responsible for them and it's been a long time coming, it's just that DT's other flaws pushed a spotlight onto criticism, which includes the job/game design.

>>715846289
>TERA
Private server?
I've kind of wanted to play it again because Warrior is GOATed (with the sauce, some might say).

>>715840147
Does Sakaguchi still play XIV? I know he was pretty prolific in Endwalker and seemed to enjoy it, but I haven't heard much about him playing Dawntrail

>>715847269
He does, he posts screenshots in his twitter all the time

>>715846078
Honestly I think Yoshida understands better than players than nobody actually wants dungeons to be much more than hallways, but on the other hand he should really enable wall-to-wall pulling again.

>>715846643
Ok I'll give you more context on the Dungeons, so YoshiP gave an interview to PreachGaming at the European media tour before Dawntrail launched and that's when the question arose about the Dungeons.
Preach asked can they change the mobs, maybe more mob packs or having more bosses or fewer bosses and YoshiPs answer was to explain that he has designed something called a 'package system' for content and the way they design dungeons is set to this 'Dungeon package specification' which is why a Dungeon is two mobs wall, two mobs boss, two mobs wall, two mobs boss e.t.c.
This to YoshiP is to minmax the process of content but, as pointed out by other people in these threads before with this process they are producing a single dungeon per patch whereas in 2.x 3.x and 4.x the patches were 3months-3months 2weeks and were able to produce 2 dungeons per patch along with the dungeons being slightly different from each other than simply what they are now which feels like copy paste.

Like I said his reply was long winded you can watch the interview for yourself on Preach's Youtube to see his answer.
After this answer about content being made into 'packages' or in JP they call them 'set meals' like at a fast food restaurant, people are wondering if they've made the MSQ into a package with how similar the stories are from Shadowbringers to Endwalker to Dawntrail in set up to conclusion each story ending on some ancient place Shadowbringers Amourat, Endwalker Ultima Thule, Dawntrail Endless Zone.

>>715846289
Why am I supposed to be mad that these retards aren't attached to FFXIV right now, again?

>>715847395
Was that the question? If you're getting mad then no one but yourself is making you that way.

>>715847513
>Your FF14 streamers
I don't claim 'em.

>pixiv has been nothing but lalashit for 2 months
The rats are refusing to leave the ship

>>715847549
>nothing but lalafells
based

>>715847862
Based on what? Literal shit?

>>715838441 (OP)
We can't just move on, they need to fix black mage

>>715848075
The only thing I want fixed about it is Thunder, honestly. Feels like shit now and its damage is still lower than Endwalker and prior's Thundercloud/Sharpcast procs + hardcasting would have been. They had to buff BLM pretty considerably to bring it up to Pictomancer and that Thunder nerf by changing it to its current incarnation did not help.

>>715841525
When will you people get it through your thick heads that it's not Hirois fucking fault, almost everything wrong with Dawntrail writing can be traced back to progressive ideology, Yoshi is the progressive.

>>715840103
Kappa

>>715848238
Almost everything wrong with Dawntrail's writing is that it's just too fucking long for what it is, no more no less.

>>715848201
How can you be ok with the timer removal, what needed adjusting was flare star making having to stop attacking so much more punishing.

>>715844978
The twins should be retired until garlemald is rebuilt and maybe they can come. Still so fucking strange they were in DT at all

>>715848493
I ended up not really missing the timer at all, the thing that makes out as important in my play of BLM is whether or not my rotation is moving. On top of that if BLM ever decides to pursue some other kind of identity or even a lateral move within the same system, not being beholden to Fire IV's timer will make that a lot easier.

>>715847193
Tera is fully playable on ps4/5 it still gets updates

>>715847331
Yea let us pull the whole fucking wall to wall, good tanks can deal with it easily. Also people say they want different paths but all the older dungeons proved otherwise because they always just picked the fastest path

>>715847032
Real yakuza use rubber bullets

>>715848493
Tbh the timer was completely pointless, for good layers it was a non issue and for bad players they would drag the party down. What I’m really sad about is high fire being fucking useless. Before the change high fire would buff the flares now it does fucking nothing

>>715848615
>console
fug

>>715849092
High Fire/Blizzard being completely useless is so strange

>>715847549
proof?

>>715841880
the core of the game (the gameplay and general daily content loop) has been ass for awhile, so the story being ass starts to retroactively sour the rest of it once you reach it and there's nothing left to cover the smell (unless you can seperate DT and the rest of the game in your mind like a normal person and stop caring and/or finally drop the game)

>>715842403
>shard hopping.
Kill yourself endbryo.

>>715849528
>(unless you can seperate DT and the rest of the game in your mind like a normal person and stop caring and/or finally drop the game)
Trying to, like, fistfight Dawntrail all the time is fuggin baffling to me, I don't get the people that do that and I don't think I ever will. Just drop it and come back next expac, or don't, whatever

The truth is the game has felt off since mid SHB, but people don't want to acknowledge it and much easier to use DT as a scapegoat when it also magnifies all those issues x10.

>>715849648
tranny poster!

>>715844978
>>715848551
They just need to start them on new character arcs, but they're apparently unwilling to do that.

>>715844347
god yes

>>715849648
>mid SHB
Game was ruined as soon SHB launched

>we can be done with the bad parts
I quit dawntrail after the baby cave reveal, which means to clear the MSQ to date I'm looking at like 50 fucking hours of shit just to CATCH UP. This also assumes the new expansion will even be worth catching up for, which there is zero proof of.

>>715838441 (OP)
We're running off 15 year old code from 1.0, shit designed for PStriples, that was asset flipped with extra steps for 2.0 and above. The game needed to end in EW purely from a technical level and they announced another 10 years of XIV instead.

Consider this ominous possibility, they're expecting you to queue up for Frontline Roulette in 2030.

>"YOU ARE GOING CONFRONT YOUR ALLIES"
>it's just thancred closing our path in a dungeon.

>>715849107
You can put in a mouse and keyboard

>>715848589
>the timer doesn't matter because i lose damage if i don't press buttons at all
Riveting analysis here. You know we should also remove mudras from NIN because they also lose damage if they stop pushing buttons, so obviously the mudras aren't part of its identity. Keeping the GCD rolling, that's the identity.

>>715850316
Turns out every expansion stretches the truth or even outright lies about what's gonna happen, remember Zenos at the top of the Tower of Zot in Endwalker's benchmark

>>715849245
I get ice is just purely filler but looks nice but fire aswell was meant to be used and look nice

>>715850316
Yea I really think they rewrote the story

>>715846609
This is literally the only apology I would accept and the only way I'd come back, unironically.

>>715850369
>Riveting analysis here. (braindead comparison to other job while obviously taking a specific sentence out of context)
Yes, I agree.

>>715850446
Nothing was taken out of context. You claimed that the identity of BLM is keeping your GCD rolling. Here's a direct quote.
>the thing that makes out as important in my play of BLM is whether or not my rotation is moving
You honestly think removing the central mechanic of a job, the mechanic half its kit revolves around managing (no longer though, meaning half the kit is redundant), is fine because actually keeping the GCD rolling is important.

>>715850542
>Nothing was taken out of context.
>You claimed that the identity of BLM is keeping your GCD rolling.
You're doing it again. Don't talk to me.

>>715850257
You quit right at a really good part????

>>715850576
I quoted exactly what you said and you're still denying it. Hey, have you tried Pagos yet?

>>715850637
The baby cave reveal was the first actual happening in all of Dawntrail up to that point and they fucked it up by making my WOL's dialogue options sound like an HR spinster scolding a misbehaving employee. In 1000 hours of content previously I have only ever been in alignment with WOL. It was the first time I felt like I wasn't even playing my fucking character.

>>715850210
5.0-5.2 were good times. 5.3...now there's where it all went downhill.

>>715850785
>and they fucked it up by making my WOL's dialogue options sound like an HR spinster scolding a misbehaving employee.
I don't remember getting any dialogue like that but it's been a while since I played through 7.0

>>715850852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdOQ5pCWiyI

>>715841880
The root problem isn't that a single expansion was bad, it's the dwindling cadence of content quality and delivery, only getting worse with time.

>>715850372
That was a benchmark and people know those are bullshit, the thing with the Scions battling each other, it was a power point presentation of the Scions on opposing teams that was shown off at the fanfests and PLL before Dawntrail with a long set up in 6.55 with them going different ways.
Which amounted to Thancred blocking a single pathway in the first Dawntrail dungeon and that was it.

>>715850930
Please look at the patch notes, an extra month between patches will not erase Endwalker's patch notes vs. Dawntrail's patch notes from everyone's minds. There is no dwindling happening

>>715850785
What was the options again? I dont remember the WoL having any interesting conversation options in the first part of DT

>>715850316
>Thancred talks about how he wants to take Alisaie from behind
>it never happens

>>715851049
Thancred's not into (my) sloppy seconds

it's unraveling yoshi

>>715851024
>>715850851

>>715851286
Eh those are fine, "heroic" option vs. "rough" option.

>>715838441 (OP)
Just wait for the next FF mmonto come out in 2034. Just don't die.

why is this place getting xiv threads again? After DT started to solidify it's mid reception i feel like there was a long period where no one cared for the game at all not even to shitpost about it.

>>715850292
To be frank I won't even queue up for regular roulettes. The older content is so brain numbingly boring that aside of the shit story the biggest issue to make me interested in XIV again beyond as a visual novel is something they will never fix:
>Make all combat content more exciting, dangerous and require your full attention.

At this point I'd rather they just double down on the second life nature of the game and bring in a shit load more of that kind of fun 'minigame' content. Not quarantined to the fucking golden saucer, either. Off the top of my head:
>Allow dueling in the world, not just in wolf's den
>Have a field zone with racing in the world, not the chocobo instanced zone in gold saucer.
>Have functionally soccer. Players https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhwO09zM-78 created soccer with blue mage spells. You can do that in the world proper. Something fun like this.
I remember in ancient wow you could queue up to do something in a stranglethorne arena or some shit. I am sure I am remembeirng that wrong but something like that where we all queue up in the world not in an instance or an instance of an instance

If it's a theme park then make it a fucking theme park.

>>715850785
CANT JUDGE THEY KULTUR. Hell fucking alisae says that verbatim to the Niners. It's also funny the closest they were willing to go to human sacrifice. How fucking mollycoddled the turali were is beyond reason and I had found myself behaving like a sneering imperialist when I never would have at any other time.

>Shut the fuck up about your stupid pagan customs and let me progress the quest you savages
Meanwhile I adored the autistic shy elephant in Thavnair so this isn't grrr brown people.

>>715848712
>good tanks can deal with it easily
Pop their invuln? There's not much to it besides keeping buffs on cooldown and focusing down the hard hitters.

>>715850851
>>715851024
>>715851286
It's been a while for me too, but yeah this is them. The nigga is fucking talking about why he's an asshole (due to fucked up eugenics programs) and WOLs first reaction is to scold. No empathy, no nuance. The "but..." response is close but ultimately amounts to a complete dismissal which glosses over something completely traumatic for him and his entire fucking race. Despite his actions up to this point (which I don't remember being all that bad honestly, but I might be forgetting), the guy is vulnerable and all but begging for your help for a way out of his situation. This is prime, fertile ground for character growth which WoL or even fucking Wuk could have capitalized on, gaining a loyal ally in the process. IE, the ENTIRE theme of 14 up to this point.

But oh ho! He's the comically outlandish villain who needs to be nagged at because he's Bad! Just like Gaius, the Pope, Zenos, and Emet!

Oh wait, WoL was actually an adult when dealing with them, weird.

It just reminded me of some karen babysitter getting mad at a child for punching another kid, even if the lead up to the punch was completely justified.

>>715851661
HR complainer here. I agree completely. Thavnir vs Tural is fucking exactly the difference. The beast tribe quests (OH SORRY """""""""""ALLIED NATION"""""""""") in endwalker were kino and those fucking elephants were great.

>>715851661
>How fucking mollycoddled the turali were
They're mollycoddled because they don't want to kill eachother?

>>715852164
I think he meant that the culture IRL was treated with kid gloves because of outside influence and "muh offensive" nonsense.

>>715842608
>what's wrong with Alisae?
her reward for character development was to go full retard

>>715852240
I doubt that's actually the case, they probably just wanted to poke around with South American and Mesoamerican aesthetics and tradition without leaning on the same shit every other fiction author does, human sacrifice and stone pyramids.

>>715852345
But this would be like talking about medieval england without churches and worship services.

>>715852440
It'd be more like talking about Mayan or Aztec gods but only in terms of human sacrifice, no stories about gifts of the moon and stars or raising animals into the constellations to live forever or anything.

>like the premise
>like the character
>like the design
>surrounded by an absolute dogshit execution
Damn you, Hiroi.

Call me what you will, but I don't like Central and South America and don't like South American history/ culture. I find little to no redeeming qualities to the aesthetic or culture/ heritage and find their history very bland and boring.
As a setting for a fantasy game it's the most dry you could pick from only slightly above two other cultures which I won't name here for brevity.

>waiting for 7.3 to find out law order helmets still don't work on rabbits
I JUST WANT TO PLAY A RABBIT
I KNOW THE GLOW UP FOR GIRAFFES WAS INSANE AND I DOUBT I CAN MAKE A BETTER LOOKING RABBIT BUT I LIKE RABBITS BECAUSE RABBITS ARE NICE

>>715852634
>As a setting for a fantasy game it's the most dry you could pick from
Their mythology is full of crazy shit you could make an interesting setting out of.

>>715852293
alisaie had no character development shes s spoiled yapping cunt and wastes too much time talking and screeching.

>>715844824

>consolidated into pvp buttons for combos

you can just say you're too retarded to press 1 then 2 then 3. Everyone who insists pve content needs this is just too fucking braindead to press more than one button.

>>715852634
Honestly I don't even hate Tural culture besides lultacos. It's how it gets crammed down your throat about diversity and equality when everyone's either retarded or an asshole for really stupid reasons that gets me. There were fascinating bits I was chomping at the bit to explore, and then the game ran off to go juggle the next shiny thing before it could even bother holding what it had for a single minute longer than the swaths of expository banter could care to contain.

>>715852756
Oh no way... hold on gotta try to hold open my eyes on the blood sacrifices and... no horses or philosophy, or inventions or just you know things that can keep me awake when I read them

>>715852585
if speen was Hiroi's OC, i'm willing to give him a 2nd chance

>>715852939
>you can't have an interesting fantasy setting without horses
???

>>715852962
he should be regulated to side shit and heavily edited. he never pays attention to previous lore canon and writes slop.

>>715852759
Based take. I will never understand the people who praise her, she's the fucking Wuk Lamat prototype

>>715853041
>he never pays attention to previous lore canon and writes slop.
But enough about Matsuno

>>715852634
as a dirty southy, i agree at some extent
still, mesoamerican shit, when well executed, can be great
all that human sacrifice, worshipping the sun and blood frenzied warrior can be really interesting in a fantasy dressing
also, it has sexo potential

>>715853060
>she's the fucking Wuk Lamat prototype
Alisaie fails and gets shit on constantly though. She hasn't had any character development and she does nothing, but still. Her whole thing is that every kid she talks to ends up dying and she has a permanent inferiority complex.

>>715853117
The only way it can be made interesting if a game/ fantasy setting doesn't shy away from the darker elements like Colonialism, barbarism, human sacrifice, but ff14 is not that game.
FF16 did have dark moments but I think YoshiP was burned on FF16 being 'too dark fantasy' and wanted Dawntrail to be the antithesis to that setting which I'm guessing is why there is so much 'peace and happiness, SMILE!' theming going on.

>>715853304
>Colonialism, barbarism, human sacrifice, but ff14 is not that game
XIV has tackled all of those things in the past.

>>715853124
>Alisaie gets shit on constantly
Are you confusing her with her brother? The only time I can recall Alisaie getting actually put down in the story is when Zenos kicks her in the chest. Everything else is her Mary Sueing her way through the story like inventing the cure to tempering or being a le epic action female.

>>715853353
Yeah but it didn't with Dawntrial which is the point the setting is unfamiliar territory for Jap devs so they called in cultural sensitivity consultants to tell them what to do and don't do, which is how we got Dawntrail.
A sanitised HR safe experience.

>>715853304
they've already done dark shit in the game
and the lizard abortion clinic was pretty dark in my opinion

>>715853117
Columbus ladned in Cuba, the fateful encounter with delicious brown latinas should be attibuted to Hernan Cortez, who promptly decided to burn the ships and never go back to Eruope

>>715852585
Real Human Bean Sphene and Lil Nigga Mooj are the only two characters I like from DT. Every other character is fucking atrocious. And even these two are damaged by how awful the story is, especially Mooj having the worst villain in the entire story as his dad.

>>715853389
Alisaie didn't cure tempering even though her simps like to give her credit for that. Exarch, Beq Lugg, Cid, and Owen did that. Alisaie gets shit on because she doesn't do anything but say how she's going to one-up WoL or Alphinaud and then consistently fails to do so, plus all her child acquaintances dying.

>>715851679
Some tanks don’t even use more than just one cooldown anon

>>715852768
The whole obsession with
>Wow Tural is so diverse!
drives me up the fucking wall because we already had a land that was supposed to be the diverse melting pot of disparate and varied cultures clashing against each other. It's fucking Eorzea. That's literally the entire fucking point of the continent. And it's used to tell interesting stories because that diversity leads to conflict and disagreement between city-states and tribes, a history of warfare and conquest, an interesting background of how the disparate cultures interacted, and just generally having fleshed out worldbuilding.

It feels the most like some input from a consultancy group that had no idea what the fucking lore of the game was. Or maybe Kate and Hiroi are just fucking retards.

>>715853439
bakool ja ja still has (or have?) room to grow

>>715853412
moreso the closest geographical and cultural analogue to the europeans and south america would have been the garleans who never got as far as tural and were completely disseminated as an empire by the time we head over there, on top of magical fuckery and simple bad traveling making it very hard to get there even if you're much closer like eorzea is

>>715853419
I had to suffer through 4 zones increidbly boring zones with nothing going on but beast tribes and talk to 1/3 npcs, not to forget that absolutely shitty quest the pelupelu merchants made me do, sell an item to trade and item for another item to get another item and then another, shit I'm beginning to remember why I hate Dawntrail so much. Also add on a city state of shit to get to that single dungeon and it was immediately over, back to Tuliyollal and big band music playing jazz.
Any moment of 'darkness' in Dawntrail if it existed was immediately undercut with goofy shit.

>>715852763
you're actually braindead if you think that's the reason i mentioned it

>>715853606
Bakool Ja Ja is involved in the Alliance Raid so he's effectively banished to side content hell. He's unlikely to ever have meaningful involvement in the MSQ again.
He's also kind of a shit character. His Disney bully schtick is funny right up until they pull the quickest, least-deserved face-turn from him trying to nuke Tural (and not being punished over it) to Wuk Lamat Naruto-ing his ass into being a good guy that's noble and honorable and loyal.

>>715853304
dawntrail didn't need colonialism, barbarism, or human sacrifice to be interesting
all it needed was tural to not be sterilized and neutered. the whole fucking country is written like a basedboy's utopia

>>715853705
>Bakool Ja Ja is involved in the Alliance Raid so he's effectively banished to side content hell. He's unlikely to ever have meaningful involvement in the MSQ again.
G'raha is in Crystal Tower. G'raha and Krile are in Myths of the Realm.

>>715853705
>(and not being punished over it)
Valigarmanda is dead forever > I let loose Valigarmanda to get a head-start in the contest and not only did I get hardwalled five minutes later but it literally didn't help me at all to do that because the other Promises stayed around to kill Valigarmanda and now they look really good

I don't write the rules

>>715853831
>let loose a living weapon of mass destruction knowing you're going to kill people so you can get a headstart to the next stage of the Amazing Race
>sit there and cross your arms and pout when the judge tells you that you have to wait anyway
Such kino writing.... bravo.........

>>715839861
Good question. Anyone who hasn't played yawnfail would have to go through it even if the developers somehow created a worthwhile expansion after it.

>>715852164
Yes! Because every other place we've gone to except Thavnair (Which had the excuse of being the frontlines of the apocalypse) and Sharlaya had some major societal tensions going on if not outright war. Conflict is essential to drama. The conflict of who was to be Dawnservant was so sanitized as to be not offend anyone and the villains we do deal with are either a singular guy who uses robots (can't kill people!) for 99% of his army or a guy who unleashed a localized extinction level threat and is never punished for it in any shape or way.

>>715852634
I would trust someone willing to write with balls about some post-conquest stories. Reading about the Cuban revolution in a book about Bacardi's history made me see the Cubans vs the Spanish had something neat to it. See >>715853564 for how white woman tourism Tural was handled.

>>715853946
Sounds like the conflict and drama largely comes from Mamook vs. the rest of Tural and then later from Tural vs. Alexandria, which is in line with Thavnair not having any immediate enemies and Sharlayan being an isolationist nation of scholars, where all their own conflict and drama come from outside forces.

>>715853773
Crystal Tower is a special case. As are the Scions in general. I'm just Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is unlikely to go through significant or meaningful character development because he's also in a side story that's going on concurrently, and he's not a major character. And also because he's a DT character, so major character development is generally unlikely.

>>715853831
>yeah sure I unleashed Biblical Satan to come wipe out the entire continent but I was sad about something :(
Unbreakable legal defense.

>>715852763
If reaching EW gave you a optional consolidated PvP setup for your AoE + 123 comboes they could far more easily give you new fancy buttons to press since everything goes back to
>Can a controller handle this amount of buttons?

>>715853924
>has to abide by the rules at least loosely or he gets deported back to the forest
>kino kino..... based..... kino.....
Yes
>>715854073
>but I was sad about something :(
No

>>715851938
>Despite his actions up to this point (which I don't remember being all that bad honestly,
He unleashed a divine beast that could've killed thousands and set the land permanently aflame if the WoL was a moment slower at catching up to it while it stopped to feed

as someone who only played until 5.3 in shadowbringers, here is my opinion:

ARR: kino
HW: kino
Stormblood: shit, i was hype for ala mihgo only to spend 70% of the expansion in not-japan. while it had some cool dungeons and trials, it really upset me to spend i believe level 62 to 68 or 69 in not-japan
shb: was far more interesting than stormblood, but also felt a bit shitty.

i unsubbed after beating the main trial of 5.3 and never looked back. i did that about a month or two before the next xpac released, and have no interest in the game. unironically worked with a dude who played and complained about how much fantasias cost because he was constantly giving his character a makeover, probably once or twice a week. also dude kept saying things that made me assume he was going to become trans at some point.

>>715853946
>>715854043
Sharlayan was handled like shit in EW for the same reasons Tural is shit. It was completely sterilized. The Sharlayan we had before EW was isolationist because it was under the control of a psychotic knowledge hoarder faction which Fourchenault was a high ranking member of. The type of people who sent assassins to kill a teenager for teaching astromancy. But they don't even gloss over that, they simply don't acknowledge it at all. Fuck EW.
>>715854120
>has to abide by the rules at least loosely or he gets deported back to the forest
Uhhh, retard? 30 minutes earlier he was willing to break the rules and put thousands of innocent people in danger. Then suddenly he's gonna sit there and pout and not try to break the rules again? That's kino to you? Get some fucking standards.

>>715854201
30 minutes earlier isn't relevant to him pouting he has to wait because the keystone bearer won't give it to him or let him do it early and if he tries anything violent or tries to steal it then the Dawnservant will be informed and he loses by default
What's with the sudden talk of standards, this is the fifty billionth 7.0 circular conversation this month alone, you have no standards

>>715853073
He should be blacklisted never to work again.

>>715854320
>30 minutes earlier isn't relevant to him pouting he has to wait
It literally is. What the fuck are you saying?
>because the keystone bearer won't give it to him or let him do it early and if he tries anything violent or tries to steal it then the Dawnservant will be informed and he loses by default
He was already willing to kill people so he could cheat. Then suddenly he wasn't. That doesn't make any fucking sense. Bakool Ja Ja's goal at that point was not actually to win the challenges, but to kill people and steal the keystones. But he waits for the cooking contest anyway? And you're defending this?

>>715854043
the mamook vs tural divide makes zero fucking sense when the sitting dawnservant is a two headed ligger and nobody is forcing the mamool ja to stay in their shit forest. it's a situation that is artificially created so wuk lamat has something to 'solve' to become the dawnservant

>>715854401
They talk at least a little bit about how Mamook Vs. Tural makes no sense from Tural's point of view.

>>715854320

>>715854394
Hello folder dumpy I am not interested in circularly arguing with you

>>715854538
It should've been me getting my penis exploded...

>>715854538
Well at least you stopped pretending to have any argument. Get a fucking life, you stupid faggot.

>>715854538
>backed into a corner because you're a retard?
>call him the folder dumper!
Gonna try Pagos yet, bud?

>>715854401
The guys that stayed in Mamook even though they hate it there are racist chud boomers that refuse to live in the grand capital as long as the lesser races also allowed to live there, and don't understand why GJJ doesn't purge them. Wuk and the warrior of light take the bold stance that even inbred klan members living innawoods because they don't want to see a darkie don't deserve to suffer.

>>715854521

>>715854797
>criticizing dawntrail? you're a trancer!
lol, thanks for saving me the trouble of searching the archives.

>>715854201
>he was willing to break the rules and put thousands of innocent people in danger. Then suddenly he's gonna sit there and pout and not try to break the rules again?
He wasn't actually willing to release Valigarmanda. Just before that, Zoraal Ja and his evil vizier had a sword to Bakool's throat and said they'd kill him if he didn't do it.

>>715854570
Her vagina has spiders.

>>715854878
You're thinking of Jafar Ja scheming that he could be useful later, which never actually happened. When Bakool let Valigarmanda out he was thinking of the pot babies. He's never forced to do anything.
https://youtu.be/rXAo73amjj8?t=15438

>Job rework
>Change the actions page so some job actions have two or more different variations that you can select from
>e.g. as a tank, have it so your third combo attack has a version that gives you a small heal, or another version that gives you a small shield, or another that gives you a little extra gauge

>>715855775
But have you considered that metafags will determine that one is better than the other? We can't just have RPG options if you're going to have to pick a specific one to get a pink parse.

>>715855775
this one's a bit disruptive to the tanks that already have a differing attack finisher effect as a form of job uniqueness

>>715854538
you never refuted him 0once

>>715855928
leaving and seething for twenty minutes is all the refutation that guy needs desu

>>715855809
Yes, of course I thought of that. That's going to happen in any game regardless. It's the reason why skill trees don't matter that much in a lot of games with hard content. But if balanced properly, it could still be done in such a way that you'd want to sometimes use the lower DPS options.
>>715855903
That was just an example. Another could be a DPS ability that either inflicts instant damage or gives a dot. The dot is overall very slightly more damage (like 10 or 15 potency total), but of course that's another thing you have to manage and it adds a little more complexity to the job.

>>715856027
>desu
go back

>>715856216
desu website

>>715856216
Type in t b h (without the spaces). It changes to desu.

>>715856216
calm down fampai

>>715856216

>7.3 trial

will it be kino?

i doubt it. lion king ending tier i guess and some stupid MEANWHILE IN ....

>>715857415
if its not necron it will be an automatic 7/10 base

>>715857415
>>715857461
It's Neo-Alexander

>>715857461
guessing necron since calyx fits the "cruel indifference" thing

>>715857554
possible, but boring as well

personally i think it'll be 'not trance kuja'

What kind of fat cuck wastes his whole life grinding every job in a dead nip mmo? Maining bitch healer, no less. K E K

>>715857874
oh wow, i'm the opener for folder-kun now. he's my biggest fan

>>715857963
If only, but this time it seems like the prelude was a BLM argument that died quickly and a 7.0 argument that died quicklyish

>>715857874
cuckoli is a known /xivg/ lolcow and diaperfag

>>715841525
It was a different Kate altogether. But she was invited by the Kate you mentioned. Hiroi is not really to blame for most of it.

>>715858129
The BLM argument that died because you disengaged once you realized you're retarded?

3 weeks away. probably. maybe 4.

realistically speaking, how does the MSQ go to make 7.x good?

>>715858284
hes has equal blame. we all know his mostly mid stories.

>>715858129
>everyone i don't like is the folder dumper and he's doing it because i lost an argument two hours ago!
What causes this behavior? Single mother?

>>715858329
It won't

I'm just saying, had we let the Ancients go on with the Zodiark plan, no Wuk nor Tural would have happened
JUST SAYING.

>>715858365
>>715858292
reflect for a moment on how little sense it would make for two separate people to be pissed somebody told a regular spammer to fuck off

these are just reskins of "it's the barryfoxxo" ass cover posts. your playbook doesn't change at all

>>715858346
Having a "mostly mid" story is okay compared to fucking "rubber bullets" and "be on the right side of history". I don't mind Golbez being an autist and Zero shenanigans that end by solving things with the power of friendship, what I mind is the butchering of Tural, its culture and its people that were turned clinically retarded. The parts that handled the world building for the thirteenth were decent. Dawntrail has no moments like those two voidsent friends, with one eating the other to save the other the constant agonizing fear that dominated his existence, only for it to become the dominant trait anyway.

>>715858489
Hey little buddy why was this picture with this MD5 in a WoW vs. XIV thread

GOOGLE DOCKY

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IWWfJW2qtJxvj9CcW0bAzLlB2lsmaF5zA6dghFY7vV4/edit?gid=913041854#gid=913041854

>>715858469
>reflect for a moment on how little sense it would make for two separate people to be pissed somebody told a regular spammer to fuck off
That's not what you did, what you actually did was remain seething over an argument you lost two hours ago and randomly brought it up again to try and say the folder dumper is the retard you were arguing with.

>>715839861
Setting/Story wise:
Leave Tural behind, never go back, never reference either Tuliyolla or Solution 9 again
Gameplay wise:
Start catering to casual players more
Retention wise:
Scrap the tomestone limit, give everyone the ability to improve their gear to max level via various ways

>>715858637
>so pissed he has to samefag about it
That doesn't look like a won argument.

>it all returns to nothing
>it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down

>>715858737
This sure does >>715850576
As well as this here, where you bring up the argument again after having disengaged like a coward faggot >>715858129
Legitimately, what the fuck is the matter with you?

How often do you think he updates his folder?

>>715858365
folderchad raped his mother

folder dumpy

>>715858863
>won the argument
>has to samefag angrily and demand his victory be recognized
This is a sore loser on 4chan, not an argument winner. Call your faggot friend off, his folder's old.
>>715858915
Not very. Last addition I recall was screencapping a "based" video from a Youtuber called AthenaAeria and cropping their name out, probably because they're a minor FFXIV subreddit lolcow, but I've not seen it more than the once so I can't actually call it an addition yet.

>mazed niggers ITT are still wasting sub money on kate's game
>in the year of our lord 2014+11

>>715859014
>This is a sore loser on 4chan
That would be this guy here (You) >>715858129
The guy who was seething for two hours straight and had to try and call his opponent the folder dumper after being embarrassed and dropping out of the argument.

>>715842324
New loli/hebe every expansion that joins our party. Eventually when our entire party is just lolis/hebes we rotate the oldest one out for the newest.

3

>>715859201
sphene is ultra petite but i don't think she's a hebe. is that alright?

i'm aware of what the 'true' definition of hebe is and sphene would fit it

>>715858894
she's balding

>>715859487
it's the fate of all MMO streamers

>>715859312
Publishers won't move backwards. They'd have to admit they were wrong and that would lower trust in investors. They'll keep plowing away full steam trying to ignore this "anomaly"

>>715858859
>fewer players than Once Human

>>715859258
the nips had yoshida pegged well before DT

imagine losing an argument on twitter so to save your ego you run to 4chan and spam

>>715859843
Couldn't imagine being that insane.

Did we ever find out why people folder/artbook dump? I guess i is some kind of Barry tier autism?

>>715859945
he thinks he's saving the discourse around the game

>>715859919
He was right thoughever. But not about the leftist trannies part there, since going by their Twitters it looks like the few that remain are all right wingers, or like to think they are.

>>715851661
LOL DUDE REEDS
REEDS LMAO
WE FUCKIN LOVE REEDS BRO
EAT EM BUILD WITH EM... SMOKE EM
YOU EVER SMOKED REED BRO?
LOL
LMAO
CAN'T GET ENOUGH REED BRUH

>>715859945
Essentially yeah. Whether directly or indirectly it seems our dumper(s) are just Zodiark trancers. The two big ones I see shitting themselves almost 24/7 and who have a lot of posting habits in common with our dumper(s) are @volkeroathsworn and @elvenresurgence. Volker changes his name a lot.

>>715859945
I post the artbook to drown out off-topic bullshit like e-celebs or lately boogeyman/folder dumper spam. It's not a secret.

>>715860216
what did you do in Final Fantasy today?

>>715860216
Asking "what did you do today" on endless loop is not in fact on-topic.

>>715860257
FFXIV images are in fact on-topic in a FFXIV thread. Certainly more on-topic than spamming about your favorite thread boogeyman. I also frequently talk about what I did in the game. I only ask people what they did in Final Fantasy today when they can't seem to talk about video games on their own.
>>715860251
I just did a few dailies, I've had a headache all day so I didn't have much energy to play much.

>>715860216
>drown out image dumps with image dumps

>>715860557
Damn, well when you put it that way I guess posting about video games is the same as not posting about video games since it's all 4chan posts. Did you play Final Fantasy today? Or ever?

>>715839861
Complete job rework
If they're going to have a 2min buff meta then they need to get rid of all raid buffs except for token supports like DNC and RDM. Locking everything down at the 2min window is boring as fuck and it's stagnating fight design because 90% of the actual mechanics occur at the 2/4/6/8min marks now.
This homogenized job design doesn't even make sense when there's still giant discrepancies in DPS ranges. There's absolutely no reason for RDM to do more damage than SMN or vice-versa, likewise with VPR+SAM or any of the tanks & healers.

>>715860601
I'm already aware you're the squealing rage-pig from earlier that fixated on winning an argument. You don't have to pretend for me.

>spend almost a week training and breeding chocobos to try and get a perfect one
>finally roll all the 50/50s, EXCEPT it's 3/4 stars in stamina

>>715860095
Finding out that the folderdumper is a zodiark trancer was so bizarre. I genuinely have never seen a story development mentally destroy someone to this level before, and that's saying something when i read attack on titan monthly with /a/ for eight years. The guy just went literally insane over Endwalker

>>715860718

>>715860669
You seem unreasonably upset about Final Fantasy. Have you ever played it? You might like it.

>>715858252
Here's his xitter

>>715860757
Four straight glorious years of this, all because a roach infested MMO slave decided he was going to hop on the XIV train.

I never considered that since Sphene is the queen and Zoral is the king that they should be supposed to fuck each other to make heirs.
The fact that neither shows any discordance for that matter, or that they're not even real royalty to begin with, they're just the fancy general and the bitch governor, really burns this goon bridge.
Curious that of all things isn't implied in a game where demigods and gods and other assorted people are within a hair's width of raping the shit out of you and maybe the neighboring countries should you get defeated in the fight.

Tural feels like a country that was made entirely for tourists and nothing is real. All the "culture" was made up within the last 3 years by focus groups and everyone is an actor trying to stay in character for that sweet tourist money. Not a single real person anywhere to be found. Like Disney world and everyone is an employee.

Just like a theme park it even has the cowboy zone, the safari zone, the future zone and the gift shop (solution 9) don't forget to load up on tacos and get your season pass!!

chatGPT.... TRANCE

>>715860216
Who made you thread deputy? Where can I sign up for that?

>>715845086
1) don't forget tracy fullerton

>>715860841
Speen was a robot anyway.
>>715861007
That's the great part, nobody has to make you anything. All you have to do is simply talk about video games.

>>715861007
simple
>declare yourself a force for good in the thread
you now have free rein to do exactly the same thing as the offtopic shitposters you are supposedly fighting, and for added benefit, begin arguing with anyone that notices the influx of offtopic shitposting slows when your own posting gimmick goes up

>>715861286
What did you do in Final Fantasy today? Do you play it at all? Or are you just here to derail threads?

>>715861382
what is it about the "latinx" crew that makes them so afraid of their own history but constantly try to remind others of their own shit

>m.jpg
>sddefault (1).jpg
>IMG_20250620_143300.jpg
>twitter filenames
Oh, God, he really is just doing this all day every day, even when not on 4chan.

This Odin art is pretty kino.

>>715861534
And what do you do all day? Play Final Fantasy perhaps? Maybe a little Occult Crescent? Some nightclub mare synchronos adventures? Crafting? Tell us all about it!

>>715838441 (OP)
The failure of 14 is due to the infestation of second life players, there is no way to fix this. The game will just keep getting worse because of them.

They are super casual, they are perverts, they spend lots of money on cosmetics, they love disgusting mod monsters and post them on social media, they are twitter retards. They are the worst kind of player you can have, and they are have more power to push devs in the direction they want due to how much money they spend.

They took your game, and now it's theirs. You need to come to terms with that.

>>715859695
Because it's a good game that lets you run your own server rulesets. People would pay for a version of 14 that lets you play with only friends and keep modbeasts out.

>>715861624
none of that is half as pathetic, but it's a moot point since i don't do any of that.

Y'shtolASS

>>715861798
Why would you think playing Final Fantasy is supposed to be pathetic?

>>715861781
not even remotely true. the people you're describing make up a tiny minority of the playerbase.

>>715861781
This is true.

>>715860216
you are adding nothing to the discussion and make these threads unusable thoubeit

>>715861162
ff14 aged zepla by at least 10 years and made xeno's hair fall out

>>715861781
the xiv threads' obsession with second life players is unmerited and irrelevant

>>715861896
If you think Final Fantasy XIV images and Final Fantasy XIV discussion makes a Final Fantasy XIV thread unusable, may I suggest you try another thread? Maybe something on /bant/, perhaps?

>>715839861
The only way I'd resub is if Dawntrail is completely re-written, deleted or skippable for free.

>>715861896
Sometimes I like watching him talk to himself, which I know he's doing when none of the "on topic" replies to him spiral off into their own conversation, like any other normal thread on /v/ has.

>>715861996
Do you ever like playing Final Fantasy? How about discussing it?

>>715861781
>they spend lots of money on cosmetics

are you retarded? modders don't spend a fucking dime on cosmetics because with mods you can just wear all the cash shop glam for free.

>>715839861
by going to the next expansion

>>715861961
>play by my rules or leave
Yeah, I think deeply autistic. Are you on SS? Am I paying you with my taxes for the privilege of you power-tripping in these threads?

>>715862034
they do, not only do they use and pay into patreon accounts of mod makers but they also buy literally every cosmetic is added to the cash shop.

Second life has massive monetization among players and the official shop, and those people are now in ff14.

>>715862080
My rules? I'm moot now too? Because the rule of /v/ is to talk about video games. If you become upset when you see Final Fantasy XIV in a Final Fantasy XIV thread, you should try another board. On the other hand, you could simply try talking about video games. A daunting prospect, I know.

The gameplay even 10 years ago was boring.
>do rotations
>roll on ilevel loot
>walk to the waking sands
>walk somewhere else
>unlock new raid
>do rotations
>roll on ilevel loot
>walk to the waking sands
>walk somewhere else
>unlock new raid
>.....................
Every new expansion has only made this worse, managing to simplify the already very simple combat, and slightly complicating how you get to the raid.

And why would SE do anything differently? This got the attention of millions of people, tired retail workers needing a mindlessly repetitive drug to get them through the few hours before bed and going back to work. This doesn't hold the attention of people who actually care about gameplay, because it's not for them, and SE is okay with that.

>>715862080
All xivniggers are trannies leeching off government gibs

>>715862264
but enough about the trancers that can afford to rant and rage about fino fanto all day every day

>>715861876
vocal minority > passive majority

Did you ever cleared Chaotic?

>>715862264
I'm not a tranny, but I'll leech the government until they serve my interests instead of their own

>>715862204
And now chink casinos have taken all the wagies and left only Second Life troons in xiv

>>715862360
>Did you ever cleared Chaotic?
Of course you are a brown ESL

>>715862471
lol I knew some secondary was going to leap on that thinking they're clever. I'm white tho.
Did you ever cleared Coil the proper way?

>>715861781
>they spend lots of money on cosmetics, they love disgusting mod monsters and post them on social media

I have no clue what you're smoking but you have no clue what you're talking about. Square Enix makes less money from the people you're talking about than anyone, because one of the big draws of modding is that you never have to spend money on outfits, and you never have to spend money on fantasias. You can make yourself look like whatever you want whenever you want, even changing your race and gender, without spending a dime.

This new trend of blaming all the "degenerate modders" is a massive fucking cope. %They are a handful of the people who play the game in the grand scheme of things, and even if there were enough of them to have a substantial sway over the direction of the game's development, they still wouldn't because they are the least profitable segment of the people playing.

FFXIV's concurrent player numbers dropping of a fucking cliff is because DT's MSQ and update schedule have fucking sucked, that's where it begins and ends.

>>715862518
>lol I knew some secondary was going to leap on that thinking they're clever. I'm white tho.
Why are you engaging in non XIV discussion? Can I suggest going to /bant/ if you want to talk about yourself?

>>715862437

>>715862561
You may not know this since you don't play the game, but Binding Coil of Bahamut was the first 8-man raid series released in A Realm Reborn. You should pick up the free trial and give it a whirl!

the folder dump stopped so the artbook dump could sprint headfirst into a brick wall

>>715862709
Have you ever tried Coil?

>>715838441 (OP)
What's left of XIV after you cut away the bad parts?

>folder resumes when its absence is noted
Dance, monkey

i'm pretty sure the folder dumper isn't here and is just a bot like barneyfag

>>715862831
Deep Dungeon, Eureka, and Bozja.

>>715862709
Because folderkun and artbooknigger are the same person. Just switching up up to shit up threads from different angles.

>>715862843
Barneyfag is a bunch of sharty copycats, not bots
The real Lee just uploads DOOM demoes all day after he got doxxed and gave up being a 4chan sperg

>>715861781
>The failure of 14 is due to the revenue earned by 14 not getting invested into 14. The game will just keep getting worse because of this.
I agree.

>>715862864
Have you considered talking about Final Fantasy XIV today? Any fun adventures lately?

>>715849648
ShB was what led to where we are now retard.
The only thing good about ShB was its story (and only select parts). Otherwise, it was not a good expansion.

>>715848589
>>715849092
Paradox feels tacked on without the timer.

>>715853439
I liked Gulool Ja Ja, but his character is admittedly misplayed by having him be "le cool dad leader man" but also he's a leader of a nation that ruled using the threat of violence but actually everyone is just really cool with him and loves him

>>715863698
Half the kit is tacked on without the timer as a factor. It needs a complete rework now if they're going to insist on keeping it gone.

>"Dawntrail a 'starting point for the next 10 years'"
If you think about it, with the current patch cycle, 10 years is just three full expansions.

>>715864082
Yeah, they said in a recent interview that they had plans for three more.

Looking at the whinging and crying over some armor sets that maybe sort of vaguely with about 539595435 degrees of separation conquistador outfits or simply just armor from that time period that some fags are trying to taint by association
I guess the South American expansion was always fated to end up pozzed.

>>715864178
They're not even conquistador outfits. The hilarious thing is that aside from the musketeer set, they're South American outfits. The caster/healer set is Peruvian, and the fending set is the Brazilian honor guard. This whole thing is a bunch of bluesky whitoids telling South Americans that their culture isn't theirs.

If Sphene was an unironic colonializer, that would've actually been based

NotQueen Brahne the Trial? It'll be great when Sphene tells us about her mom 2 minutes before we have to do the trial.

>>715864269
Yeah, but even that was enough for them to screech.
Imagine if it was really some shit like we all wanted it to be here. Nu-Square would never.

Yoshi-P must be frustrated with Dawntrail because, for him, it's a “universe” that he created and failed at meanwhile since from 1.0, he simply took the lore and characters from other people and made his own fan fiction.

>>715864443
Like a Senator Armstrong moment?
Could be hilarious

>>715864345
My idea on how to have made Dawntrail more kino would have been to have Zoraal Ja enter S9 and find that Sphene, while benevolent towards her people ruthlessly suppresses any dissent and that Alexandria is not the only survivor and there are neighbouring smaller city states with more effective military than her drone army, so she had him lead and reform her armies to achieve a decisive victory and wipe out all resistance to her rule, while dangling the promised reward of being allowed to return home as a carrot that she was never going to give him, and later utilizes a local to have him produce a son that she can further use as leverage to manipulate him.

>>715864583
Eh. Just the base world, and then it didn't get elaborated on much before ARR.

>>715864443
Most people don't remember, but Kuja was actually using Brahne's soul to Trance. That was all her power.

>here's a fantasy story about existential dread of death
>cool
>okay now moving on onto our new story...
>about the existential dread of death!
Holy shit get new material

>>715864082
Dawntrail should have been the chance they took to create some sort of accelerated path to level 90 for new players that want to get to the shiny new content faster that lets them skip the rest of the game
Or maybe more sensible would be still needing to do ARR but then let you move to the new saga if you wish

>>715864643
"grounded political slop"

LMAO.

>>715865178
Endwalker was all about life being shit, speedreader-kun.
It's the exact opposite

I’m glad I dropped it with Endwalker but I really miss my toon. I didn’t even experience the new graphic update so the urge to sub is strong.

>>715865559
I hate to say but you're media illiterate bub

>>715862437
Realistically, how is XIV supposed to compete with gachashit putting out content and new Youtube videos every 3 weeks? The chinks have too much money and they're immune to calicuck corruption.

>>715865178
Not really the same, honestly.
Ancients were a suicide cult, so they weren't really afraid to die until the Final Days.
The Sundered have always contended with death. Endwalker was more about persevering in the face of calamity, and forging on despite the ghosts of those you failed to save.
It was about hope against despair, rather than learning to come to terms with death. We didn't fight death, just despair.
The WoL and the Scions will die one day, and they're totally fine with that. They didn't go to Ultima Thule to protest that.

>>715865659
>EW: Life is suffering and it would probably be better if no one was born at all
>DT: I'd literally rather turn myself into an eternal memory ghost than to die
shut up

>>715865775
>>715865782
Venat literally spells it out for you what the story is about and you still are like this.

>>715865747
>Realistically, how is XIV supposed to compete with gachashit putting out content and new Youtube videos every 3 weeks?
It's not. That's the thing.
XIV's format is 20 years old.
They need a new game.

>>715865395
you cant just add -slop to everything you dont like

>>715865841
EW is about finding reasons not to die.
DT is about accepting death, even if you enjoy living.
Why is that so hard to understand?

>>715865395
Grounded political things were always the best part of FFXIV. Nobody gives a shit about your lightshow rainbow super power mega 999999 damage strikes. People care about the worldbuilding, characters, cultures and politics. It's why the stories of Heavensward and Shadowbringers, along with select parts of Stormblood were so well regarded. They dealt with people in difficult situations and the world around them, not retarded powerlevel shit.

>>715865841
Well, tell me how I'm wrong.

would a graphic sphene breeding scene save xiv?

>>715865747
For one, the game needs to be fun to play at a basic level, so that all content becomes fun content. That means dropping the retarded sterile raidshitter design that's completely obsessed with balance more than fun. Why is a third party parsing high score site the deciding fucking factor of this game's design? They have to let it go. Because if they don't, the game is only fun for very brief periods after patches when everything is still new. And that makes people want to log in and just play the game for the sake of the game.
The second thing I can think of is that they need to stop abandoning content. Keep things relevant, allow your character to grow in some way even at level 100 by going and completing PotD for example. I have ideas for that but I'm not going to autism out and write fanfiction. Whatever they do, they have to keep content from just falling into the dustbin of history. There's so much potential stuff to do in this game but there's really very little reason to do the vast majority of it. So if they can't pump out content at the rate of a gacha (and they can't) then they have to use what they already have. Cycling unreals weekly would be a start. Maybe a savage raid unreal too, so people can experience old content as it was meant to be.

a blue mage roguelike battle royale pvp mode unironically would save ffxiv

>>715866185
No.
And Sphene is for anal only.

>>715866293
>spoiler
Honestly true.
Same as Alisaie.

when i climb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUjIHqEMRoE

>>715865747
>they're immune to calicuck corruption.
This has been said about plenty of other groups that then proceeded to fall progressivism as an ideology is European in origin by the way

I have a question, I finished dawntrail during 7.1, is 7.2 likely to be less harsh with the enrage on the unreal? I've dabbled in a few other extremes and none of them were like that but none of them were new content.

>>715865747
There is a pat to redemption for XIV and yes it comes from Gacha.
But half the remaining playerbase would riot.

>>715866673
Fuck I mean I finished during 7.2 is the 7.3 unreal likely to be more forgiving.

>>715866710
I really don't remember what Seiryu was like when he was current, I just did him once for the clear and that was it. But considering I don't remember bashing my head against him like I did with Suzaku back then, maybe he's not as strict.

>gachacel opinions

>>715866673
>>715866757
Seiryu is incredibly simple with predictable patterns once you learn it. You just have to pay attention constantly. But it's a really fun fight

>>715866563
Chinks explicitly despise and ban baizuo in their own companies. They're not above sending them into western and nip competitors to sabotage them from the inside though.

How would you react if
>7.3 releases
>We take the fight to Calyx, but we decide we need some help
>We call on Meteion
>Go to the 9th for the final confrontation
>Meteion helps in the bossfight
>Calyx makes the situation worse
>Meteion, exposed to the overwhelming negative dynamis in the 9th, struggles staying her blue self
>Accidentally starts a Final Days in there, escape sequence ensues
>You, real Sphene and Meteion escape, but everyone else introduced in Dawntrail died so you could escape
>Upsides: Dawntrail got basically retconned.
>Downsides: 9th gone

>>715867005
Sounds like something Hiroi would write.

>>715867062
Hiroi would not allow his waifu Lamatyi to die. Or experience anything remotely negative. So no.

>>715867005
Did you get high while fapping to pictures of Meteion or something?
Because that sounds like a result of that

>>715867005
that... that's silly

We're gonna teach Calyx the meaning of life, and he might kill himself, I dunno.
I'll Rescue him right off the cliff into a goddamn flip if I have to.

>>715867005
sounds like the perfect hiroi slop. kys

>>715862779
LMAO. This made me laugh hard for some reason.

we will never be rid of the scions in any full break capacity because of the fans, but as long as hiroi is in charge, we'll never stop getting focus OCs taking all the spotlight either
how does one even reach a middle ground in this hell

>>715867162
I think his fundamental issue is that he just doesn't get why we don't want his "salvation".
"I am trying to make life better for everyone and rid the world of death why are you standing in my way REEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>715858284
Stop being a Hiroi apologist. The quality of writing in Dawntrail was fucking atrocious regardless of content. It doesn't matter if he gets free hands and every SJW grifter is purged from the company. Anything he puts his hands on will blow insane amounts of cock regardless.

>>715867259
It's very simple really

>>715867259
They can keep the Scions.
But for every expansion, they should rotate the least popular Scion out for a new Scion.
Urianger can get switched out with Sphene for example.

>>715867385
this but unironically, let another calamity happen because the characters have gotten too comfortable

>>715867320
even discounting some other problems over at cbu3 with their supreme complacency, you also gotta remember that someone had to pass off on this shit.
>Lead Story Designer: Daichi Hiroi
>Senior Story Designers: Natsuko Ishikawa, Banri Oda
>Main Scenario Writers: Tomohiro Kawasaki, Megumi Onozuka
in the midst of all this shit, hiroi would've had to get his crap past at least four other people, and whether due to japanese etiquette or some other bullshit like seniority at play, no one saw any problems with it until it hit the players. in a situation like that, you could replace hiroi, but if you get another fuckawful writer, we'll be here all over again.

>>715867385
remember when everyone shat on him for being a 1d joker spastic

>>715867596
>whether due to japanese etiquette or some other bullshit like seniority at play
Remember that Hiroi is an admitted nepo hire. YoshiP is friends with him and probably felt sorry for this autistic theater kid putting out plays he wrote that nobody ever saw.
Well, now his stories are on full display.

>>715867483
I'd rather switch Thancred or Alphinaud out for Sphene. Urianger is a bro.
Alas, Thancred and Urianger are always together, so if Thancred goes, so too does Urianger.

>>715865747
Anticheat and firing Kate, two things that will never happen because the bluesky modbeast troons would scream and dilate themselves to death raiding the forums

>>715867385
>>715867664
Hes still shit. the fuck you talking about faglord?

>>715867771
He's kino.

>>715867664
i still think he's a terrible character. the revelation that a depressed scientist happened to be mr. genocide and a king's chemist the entire time and he got so mad over his second life being foiled that he just went "KILL EM ALLLLL" arbitrarily is so bad, the only things worse are certain job antagonists and zoraal.

>>715867809
>and he got so mad over his second life being foiled that he just went "KILL EM ALLLLL" arbitrarily
It's more complicated than that. Despite the rot in his society, Amon saw hope for everyone which is why he went and revived Xande. He believed that he could show everyone a better way forward. And then Xande gave him the blackpill and he had to watch as everything continued getting worse. That echoed to his soul's memories of the Endsinger and he got perma blackpilled.

>>715867809
I like Zoraal Ja more than Zenos.
I just think the story around him was shit, so he didn't get the time to breathe that he should have.
>But he is le PATHETIC
Yes, and I love that. What a complete broken loser whose misery was completely down to his own inability to just be content.
Zenos on the other hand has no meaning to me because I don't care for le meme fightsexual gigachad and Square's attempts to make him my character's friend.

>>715867985
What I got from that story was that Hermes/Amon/whoever the fuck he ended up being later just had a soul of a useless fuck that was always bound to be a depressed sack of shit that ruins everything for everyone.

>>715868035
He's the planet's immune system. He gets reincarnated to fuck everything up when society gets too perfect and starts to stagnate and decay into the Nibirun suicide route.

>>715867985
I think the story trying to make its point by means of a super-roided magic pitbull was... a little clumsy. And I didn't really like his face turn coming like a goddamn cascade in Ktisis Hyperboreia. I could sympathize with him until the end of the dungeon. Him caring for Meteion/The Meteia and not wanting them erased, him being frustrated with Ancient society, etc. I could get that. But when he turned around, did le epik chuuni smirk and started going on about how he was going to be the arbiter, and "what if you are actually le wrong ones" made me dislike him.
Then I started liking him again when he broke down at the Aitiascope. That was a good performance.

>>715867992
pretty much this hiroi dropped the ball.
>WHAT IS SEX AHHHHHHHHH

dumb ass shit.

>>715868148
>But when he turned around, did le epik chuuni smirk and started going on about how he was going to be the arbiter, and "what if you are actually le wrong ones" made me dislike him.
He's not supposed to be a perfect person. He also throws countless innocent animals into your path to serve himself. And when he watched Meteion suffer the pain of death when others in her network died he sat there and cried and expected HER to comfort HIM. But at the same time he has a legitimate point about the problems with Amaurot's society and where it was leading them. He was completely right to test them, and to believe they'd overcome the test. If he hadn't done it they would have killed themselves.

>>715868201
ah fuck you you reminded me of 7.1

>>715868232
he was a boring ass nigga.

faglord shit bruh. kys.

>>715868232
Yeah, I just didn't like the chuuni face turn. Him being flawed and making mistakes and being distraught about the way things are is sympathetic. Like that entire foundation - nothing's wrong with it.
But when he grinned like a high schooler going through his o the edge nihilistic anime phase and went "heh, if you won't listen to me, then i'm going to have meteion crush you nigga gems" it just made me wonder who was writing it. It didn't feel nuanced at all.
And like I said, he then redeemed himself a bit during Aitiascope. Villains having a moment of pained self-reflection always works on me.

>We've already reached the point where people are actually defending Zoraal Ja as a character
The only good thing discount vergil had was his music.

>>715868271
He was kino tho.
>>715868340
Honestly the whole scene at the end of Ktsis is pretty shit if you stop and think about what the fuck happens there. Did everyone forget they were in an enclosed pocket dimension? Where the fuck is Meteion shooting off to?

>>715868350
Yeah, I liked Zoraal Ja's character foundation, and I liked it more than Zenos.
I stand by that, even if the actual writing for him was fumbled.

>>715868397
>webm
I can't see this without hearing "GIRLS JUST WANNA HAVE FUN" in my head.

>>715841880
The game has been ass since Stormblood lmao. The veneer holding back the criticism has always been the MSQ and now that the MSQ is shit and has been on the decline after EW launch is only making people more aware of the glaring issues. All it takes is one crack to allow the game's issues to come flooding out to the general pop's eyes. People have been warning others for years now but people dismissed it as doomer shit and not actual criticism over flaws that were slowly rotting the game away.

It's a bit early for me to judge Calyx as a character as I don't know his overarching motivation (I can guess, though). I don't mind the somewhat impassive demeanor that he starts out with. I don't think I'd want another antagonist that is introduced as a maniacal freak. Having a solemn one is fine by me. We'll see how he ends up being executed.
I imagine he'll freak the fuck out at the back end instead, though.

>>715868413
I wish I had standards low enough to where just the foundation of a character is enough for me to enjoy them.
Unfortunately, I'm used to better. Not just from other games either, from this game too.

Calyx is going to look at the camera and address (You), the player.

>>715868581
honestly it's fucking weird to have a patch antagonist that basically subverts half of the MSQ within mere minutes of going active, and then close his story up by the third patch by tradition. it means that shit is going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting to both develop and conclude him in the same breath.
say what one will about the shit ass void arc, at least Golbez got his spooky antagonist build up and climax pathed out with payoff over 4 patches.

>>715868585
>I wish I had standards low enough to where just the foundation of a character is enough for me to enjoy them.
That's not what I said. I said I liked Zoraal Ja's foundation. I think he was fumbled. Mainly because they spent too much time on Wuk Lamat and other unrelated shit to give us insight on Zoraal Ja. A common issue in recent memory (see: Golbez). Nothing wrong with a daddy issues fundamentally broken loser lashing out in hopes that he'll finally be happy only to realize that whatever he tries still doesn't make him happy. It just wasn't handled well.
Otherwise, all I said is I like him more than Zenos, but that's not so much me complimenting him as it is me disliking Zenos. Zenos is as much of a skeleton of a character, but he had the unpleasant factor of overstaying his welcome.
If you don't care for the gigachad raidbro zenos meme, there really isn't much to appreciate about him other than maybe his sheer, unvarnished frankness.

>>715868694
Calyx is the next main antagonist, he's not going anywhere yet. He's interested in Azem's magic which is obviously where they're going to go with the story.

>>715868694
Yeah, they should've introduced Calyx earlier for sure. I think we really didn't need most of the shit that happened in 7.1. They could've used it for us bumping heads with Preservation as a whole before even meeting Calyx. Arguably, you could say what we really needed is for Preservation and Calyx to be a factor even in 7.0.
It's funny how we're running into the opposite problem of Endwalker's post-patches now. In Endwalker, we had too much time and so we got a story that was maybe 2-3 patches worth of MSQ padded out to be 5 with lots of retreads.
This time, we needed a patch worth of story at least to let Calyx and Preservation breathe.
Now obviously nobody wants Dawntrail's story to go on until 7.4 or 7.5, so I think most people are grateful it ends in 7.3 even if it means rushing some plot points, but still.
I can also see Calyx persisting past 7.3 for that reason. But he might not be relevant much in 8.0. Could be another Warriors of Darkness scenario where he's relevant in 9.0. But then we also said the same about Zero.

>>715868340
>hating a character because he unconscionably grinned upon learning there's nothing out there but death and despair
idk man you have a weak case here
for me I kinda loved that he instantly became insane and acted like some god trying to judge humanity using a method that his fellow scientist did upon their subjects
while also having some humanity in him and you can really see that he wants the human will to prevail upon dis pear even though hes doing a galactic scale genocide.

What they need to do to immediately win me back over:
>Kill Wuk Lamat
>Fire Hiroi
>Put Ishikawa back in the writer position
>Mericydia
>Add real ping mitigation so the game doesn't feel like shit to play
>AFTER THAT ban all mods
>Side quest to have sex with Sphene (We already fucked Lyse, stop being cowards)
if any of these steps are missing, I will not resub

>>715868734
youre fucking retarded.

>>715868994
See you in three weeks.

>>715868694
golbez was fucking retarded.
>beat him in battle
>no u
>see you in 6.5

padded slop.
>inb4 that happens in ffiv too!

fuck off nigger.

>>715868827
>I think we really didn't need most of the shit that happened in 7.1
I don't know, Koana's Wild West Buffalo Romance felt pretty integral to the plot.

>muh preservation
>muh telephoroi

this is just some retarded theater format isnt it?

fire kate cynwar and hiroi daichi.

>>715868976
I kinda just think it's what I'd expect from a shonen anime.

>>715869037
>beat him in battle
>no u
>see you in 6.5
That was 6.x's issue.
The arc was written to be a 3-patcher, but it was a 5-patcher. We literally redid some things. We got chucked in the waiting room at the end of 6.4 because we still had 6.5 to go. I wonder how weird it must be for someone who's starting the series now.
>Golbez goes "MUAHAHAHA I WON THE WAR"
>Zeromus appears
> :O
>"WE MUST LEAVE"
>Everyone is crestfallen
>We need time to figure out what to do next
>End quest
>Pop-up for immediate 6.5 quest
>"OKAY WE FOUND A SOLUTION LET'S GO."

>>715868397
>Did everyone forget they were in an enclosed pocket dimension? Where the fuck is Meteion shooting off to?
the fujo is strong with her emotional scenes , but always kinda weak with the worldbuilding (nerd) aspects of the story, I can forgive her and just think maybe meteion is breaking the enclosed space using some uhhh backdoor and fucking off to wherever,

>>715869052
Don't fucking remind me. Fucking hell. I'd say Yuweyata was at least somewhat relevant, but was it really much more necessary than actually using that to introduce Preservation proper?

>>715869339
Something something dynamis something something breaking through the barrier with sheer power and velocity something something dimensional warping something something.

>>715869037
>Golbez uses Azdaja's eye to lure everyone to Garlemald so he can have the Alzadaal voidgate destroyed
>this means he knows Vrtra is a dragon, because otherwise how would he even react to the eye popping out of the portal for half a second?
>come 6.4, you find out that Golbez actually needed Vrtra there to make Azdaja feel hope
>meaning that by destroying the Alzadaal gate he put his master plan in jeopardy and it only succeeded at all because the Scions asspulled another voidgate directly to the moon, which he never planned for

>>715869347
I wonder if they'll ever explain what the fuck was going on there, because the rabbit is very obviously Cahciua. It's such a strange dungeon and it feels like it was part of another draft of the story that got scrapped.

>>715869393
stop giving wuk lamat tacos. she'll blow up the planet with that much dynamis

>>715869484
Yeah, that rabbit absolutely is Cahciua.
Or at least was planned to be. I wanted to say it was meant to be some fridge horror shit where Cahciua was taken and her memories uploaded to the cloud, but her body and soul were kept and experimented on to turn her into a Vidraal.
But it's more likely just a holdover of old development.
Honestly, it might have actually originally been where we ran into Preservation for the first time. Which begs the question: what reason would there be to alter it? Since that would've been vastly preferable and a cleaner introduction to Calyx in 7.2.

>>715869238
>butchered koana, zoral jaa, vtra, zero

holy shit what a shit writing team.

>>715869438
they can make it up to me by giving me tiamat and azdaja in cute femra avatars.

>wuk
abandoned by her actual dad
>koana
abandoned by the cat tribe
>bakool ja ja
the unblessed is unborn and dumped in the cave
>krile
parents left her off to galuf
>speen
parents(preservation) is long dead and shes alone to manage alexandria okay this is kind of a stretch

Makes me wonder why they didnt relate all these DT characters with them all being abandoned in some way and then do some "we're more than our birth" theme or something in 7.0

Are they ever gonna talk about this?
No?
O-okay.

>>715869918
Don't forget Erenville and his mom, and Bakool Ja Ja's dad, and Zoraal Ja's inadequacy as a father. There's a huge theme of parenthood in DT that never really gets any kind of real culmination, it just kind of exists. Maybe something from before rewrites.

>>715869918
Because the theme is legacy and every major character's story has to do with the legacy of their forebears.

>>715868734
Calyx is such an insanely shit villain. Zenos was weak in SB but at least he was fun on screen.

>>715869989
oh true I forgot about erenville and lil nigga mooj being abandoned too.

>>715869989
Erenville's mom sucks.

>>715869939
There's nothing to talk about, Gaius is just that guy

>>715870031
>Speen 2.0 wakes up
>sees some little monster sitting on her bed

gulool ja is fucking shit too. what an awful kid character

>>715870132
Her name is Meat Speen.

>>715870042
>Deudalaphon and Altima pop up in front of Gaius
>"Yeah, we don't want to do this Ascian shit anymore. Here, take our masks"
>Both of them fuck off to a beach somewhere to make babies while Emet and Elidibus get slaughtered

GYATT

>>715852763
what exactly makes a job in 14 more complicated or skillful by having 3 separate buttons for the same combo?

>>715870003
>Because the theme is legacy and every major character's story has to do with the legacy of their forebears.
Are you sure? All I got from DT was mostly piss and happiness and tacos. Also something about accepting death and Krile's 10 minutes of cutscenes.

>>715870178
They got no diffed by Gaius bro, they ain't gonna pop up.

FIRE KATE AND HIROI.

>>715870151
More like Coffee Destroyer

>>715870287
Yes. the entire first half is about which character has the better interpretation of Gulool Ja Ja's legacy which ends up being Wuukie because she's loves peace. 2nd half is about Zoraal being unable to cope with not matching up to his own expectations under the weight of his father's legacy and Speen wanting to preserve the memories of her people at any cost, which was alluded to with the Giants and their "You only die when you are forgotten" stuff.

>>715870289
Without white auracite / blessing of light, I seriously doubt it

>>715870570
You don't need the blessing or auracite, you just need to hit them with a fat enough blast of aether

>>715870446
>Zoraal being unable to cope with not matching up to his own expectations under the weight of his father's legacy
It's not even that he doesn't match up.
It's that nothing he does ever makes him feel worthy enough. Eventually, that boils over into wanting to kill the person whose validation he wants most to prove himself superior. And then that still doesnt't fill the hole in his heart, so he goes cuckoo.

>>715870773
see this is what I mean by zoraal ja's character having a solid bone yet smeared by shit smelling flesh
the character motivation is all there but hiroi insisted on some retarded one on one duel and a filler scene with him fighting wuk lamar on some hill outside the everkeep
and then every bit of his motivation is explained in his trial without any sprinkling throughout DT

>>715870424
i wonder what live letter they will shill that coffee mug.

>>715871040
Yeah, I agree.
He was handled awfully.
>and then every bit of his motivation is explained in his trial without any sprinkling throughout DT
Barely any exposition for the main villain until it's all dumped at the last moment...
Sound familiar?

>>715871040
>Zoraal Ja just wants to outdo his father, initially by conquering more land than he did
>Krile has a more visceral reaction to him than she did Zenos, as if he's just a batshit insane lunatic who wants to carve babies up for fun

>>715870629
I would say it is a stretch to assume that Gaius has access to a power comparable to Louisaeux's staff / Niddhog's eye / or the Lightwardens.

>>715871341
Garleans have magitek teleporters. Maybe he tricked them into stepping onto a teleporter pad and dunked them in the Lifestream like Galuf did.

>>715871341
Or he just used a big bomb

>>715871174
Well, in the end, she's not wrong.
What I took from Zoraal Ja (even through the clumsy writing) is that he is like a gaping void.
He wanted to live up to his father's expectations, so he wanted to succeed him as Dawnservant. Never really understood what was needed of him beyond raw strength, so he lost to Wukkie (I would go insane, too).
But even before that, he was just fundamentally broken. A hollow puppet. He was brought up with the idea that he was special, that he was one of a kind. And he was, but it never manifested in a tangible way for him. He was discontent no matter what, even as a leader of the Landsguard with various achievements to his name. He's chasing something, but he doesn't know what it is. And he lashes out wildly because he thinks it might give him the fulfillment he craves but fundamentally can never attain.
He wants to be Dawnservant solely because he thinks taking his father's throne will make him whole.
When Wuk wins, it drives him crazy because it basically puts a big roadblock in the way. So instead he tries to LARP as a Dawnservant/King of Alexandria as a stand-in.
Then out of sheer frustration, he decides he doesn't need his father's validation at all, so he kills his father, proving that his father's opinion doesn't even matter because his father is inferior anyway.
But that doesn't fill the hole in his soul either, so he moves on to trying to kill Wuk and Koana, because his father saw them as the rightful successors, so surely if he kills them, that proves that his father was wrong and he was the better successor all along.
He's constantly chasing something that doesn't exist. He desires to feel as if he belongs to the world, but nothing he does and nothing anyone says to him can bring that to him because he is broken. He just jumps from one goalpost to the next hoping it'll finally complete him.

>>715871391
How did he get the masks if they got dunked in the Lifestream?

>>715871502
But does being discontent, or having feelings of inadequacy, really warrant that reaction Krile has at the opening ceremony? She acts like she just heard him having thoughts of jacking off to dunking Lalafells in acid.

>>715871502
holy crap dawntrail has no good characters and actively shit on previous characters

speen must be an anomaly mistake.

>>715871502
-This essentially makes him the anti-Zenos.
Zenos feels like this world isn't right, as if he doesn't belong. He doesn't understand people and finds most of them trite and boring, so he decides that all that matters to him is just having fun in his own way.
He's the sad sack version Zenos. Zenos revels in it, Zoraal Ja mopes about it and despairs over his inability to belong.
>>715871593
>But does being discontent, or having feelings of inadequacy, really warrant that reaction Krile has at the opening ceremony?
It was shit writing, so I'm not going to flatter it by saying that they handled it right, but if I were the writers, I'd argue that Krile's fear is more from the fact that she would be able to sense that the man is an insatiable, unquenchable void that will do anything to chase a carrot on a stick that doesn't exist. He's basically a psycho in that he probably has the potential to murder countless people just to chase an ever moving goalpost.
>>715871671
Organic Speen works because she is just a human. She's the most personable and human character we've had since at least 6.0.

>>715871593
He wanted to half brutal bareback sex with Wuk while forcing Koana to watch nailed to the cuck chair. Feeling sexual desire towards Lamat is why he went insane after losing to her and why he reacted to viscerally to having sex with Teeshal Ja, he only wanted to fuck Hrothgirls

>>715871770
if only

>>715871770
he finds sex scary