>Ubisoft CEO addresses Stop Killing Games after overseeing the deaths of The Crew and XDefiant: "Support for all games cannot last forever"

>Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot was asked to respond to the movement at a recent shareholders meeting, and while that response was tentative, it wasn't a complete dismissal.

>Guillemot says that the company provides "information regarding the game and how long the game can be played," though he doesn't go into specifics about how those notices work. The Crew did have a badge on its front box noting "online connection required," and a notice in the fine print on the back that "Ubisoft may cancel access to one or more specific online features upon a 30-day prior notice." Whether those sorts of notices are legally sufficient will likely be put to the test, in the EU at least, after the Stop Killing Games petition passes its final deadline at the end of the month.

>Additionally, Guillemot cites "a one-Euro fee proposed to all buyers of the game. For just one Euro they got to buy the next version." As Game File notes, this appears to be in reference to a big sale on The Crew 2 which ran across digital marketplaces in 2024, bringing the price down to €1/$1.

>"It’s not a whole lot of money to be able to continue playing a game," Guillemot says, though whether he omitted the detail or this is an issue with Ubisoft's official translation, buying a sequel at a discount is not the same thing as being allowed to continue accessing your own copy of the original.

>"But this kind of issue is not specific to Ubisoft," Guillemot continues. "All video game publishers are faced with that issue. You provide a service, but nothing is written in stone and at some point the service may be discontinued. Nothing is eternal. And we are doing our best to make sure that things go well for all players and buyers, because obviously support for all games cannot last forever."

>"The lifespan of a piece of software, whenever there’s a service component, eventually services may be discontinued, because eventually the software may become obsolete over time," Guillemot explains. "A lot of tools become obsolete 10 or 15 years down the line. They’re no longer available. And that is why we release a new version. And so we have version two and then version three. But clearly this is a far-reaching issue, and we're working on it."

>https://www.gamesradar.com/games/racing/ubisoft-ceo-addresses-stop-killing-games-after-overseeing-the-deaths-of-the-crew-and-xdefiant-support-for-all-games-cannot-last-forever/

>Support for all games cannot last forever
But support for your shit company through taxes despite being bankrupt SURE CAN.

>>715874750 (OP)
Still not wageslaving over video games that I dont give a fuck about Ubisoft. That aside, shouldn't the commie chinks speak in your behalf now?

Always nice to see a CEO who refuses to even slightly talk about the actual point of something, and instead uses it as a cookie cutter sales speech as written by chatgpt.

We dont want support we want you yo not kill them

>>715874750 (OP)
>we can't let you self host because...well just because!
Ubislop argue in worse faith than king retard piratesoftware

>>715874880
But how this works economically? What Quebec has to earn by subsidizing Ubisoft?

>>715874750 (OP)
LOL! LMAO even! This guy is a comedian!

>>715875186
The people who made the deal earned a lot.

>>715875186
Bribes for public officials obviously.

>>715875080
If these are the best arguments against SKG that they can come up with then I think they're going to be slaughtered by the EU.
>>715874859
Why does every retard try the "we can't host servers forever!!!" tactic?
On the SKG website it literally states that we don't want that in their FAQ.
I can understand tards on 4chan making that as troll posts or baiting, but an actual CEO making this retard tier argument?

The Crew 2 was a straight downgrade from 1 though, with a ton of content missing and more bugs introduced.

>>715874750 (OP)
SKG is not saying official support for games should last forever, but that company should accommodate for the end of life of their titles.

Also in the 90s and 00s, multiplayers games gave server binaries for custom servers to be run independantly, and you can accommodate for that in most case even if you need to disable some feature depending on your own platform, but let's be real most of the time those are shitty features to lock people out of content more than anything else.

And honestly, if we lost some "experience" along the way, games that would not be made because of constraints, that would force them to be creative, something they already lack.

Letting companies decide for themselves what is best for customers is the road to enshitification. Libertarianism is a meme, companies would empty the soul of everything for a few extra buck without regulation. Fuck Ubisoft and their crappy philosophy.

>>715874750 (OP)
>Support for all games cannot last forever
Not what SKG is asking for you retard, you fucking moron, you dumbass, you stupid idiot, you mentally handicapped fool, you oaf, you dimwit, you imbecile, you simpleton, you boneheaded dunce

>>715875345
It's almost as if there isn't actually any good arguments against SKG. They had a year now, the best they can come up with is make a strawman and then lie about how to beat the strawman.

>>715874750 (OP)
why does anyone care what Ubisoft thinks rofl, do they even have a single game franchise that anyone still plays?!

>>715875345
you've said less than nothing in your post, congrats you can now be a mod in a retards twitch chat!

>pls make sure the game still works without support
>support cannot last forever guys!
Brilliant

>>715875345
>Why does every retard try the "we can't host servers forever!!!" tactic?

their brain doesn't work when you propose a model where they aren't involved nor are they making money. It literally does not compute.

>>715874750 (OP)
making an offline patch or releasing private server tools can't be that expensive. nobody's asking for unlimited official server support.

>WE CANT HECKIN SUPPORT THE SERVERINOS FOREVER GUUUUYS

Is this the same faggot who said that we should get ready to not own our videogames?

>>715874750 (OP)
>Ubisoft may cancel access to one or more specific online features
>including the DRM necessary to operate the game
kek

>>715874750 (OP)
these corpos keep misunderstanding the whole shit just like right to repair.

>KEK U FAGS JUST WANT TO INSTALL THIRD PARTY SHIT INTO YOUR PHONES
>nigga we just want the schematics

>>715875850
>making an offline patch or releasing private server tools can't be that expensive
It isn't expensive since there are multiple examples of indie developers doing it. If two guys in a garage can afford to make their game run with a dedicated server or play offline surely a billiondollar corporation can do it.

>>715874750 (OP)
>Support for all games cannot last forever"
Just as well thst isn't the issue then.

>nothing is eternal
He has a point lads. Your games will turn back into dust in a few hundred years anyway. So why do you want keep using a product you bought anyway?

>>715875971
The EU forced Apple to open their ecosystem to third party software. Monopoly is not allowed. I bought my phone, i am not renting it. I will install whatever the fuck i want on it. Especially when there are better third party alternatives. (not that i even use Apple anymore, ditched those faggots years ago and helped my parent ditch them too). Same with videogames. I don't want the corpo server with shitty ping, i want my dedicated server or lan so i can play with my friends on zero ping. Kids these days don't remember the times of zero ping multiplayer in the same room.

>>715875345
>Why does every retard try the "we can't host servers forever!!!" tactic?
more importantly I wonder what the mental damage is on normalfags like picture related that they cant understand these are not accidents or idiocies but malicious lying?

How hard is it to release dedicated server tools after pulling the plug on live service games? T: nocoder

>>715874750 (OP)
>Support for all games cannot last forever
Not what the initiative is about. Stepped reading.
It's clear the faggot ass French cryptokike is trying to misrepresent the initiative and misinform the public.
And the journo who allowed him to do so instead of pressing him with the truth should be shot in the street.

>>715876338
palworld has dedicated server tools and its still in service. there's no excuse.

>>715874750 (OP)
>"Support for all games cannot last forever"
Fucking lmao
Same shit the lobbying group said.
They're not even arguing against the actual point of SKG. They're just making shit up because they have no argument at all.
They are gonna get their anus absolutely fucking destroyed the second they actually have to officially argue against it in front of the EU commission.
It's gonna be glorious.

>>715874750 (OP)
Who's talking about supporting games forever? No one. Fuck this scummy cunt for twisting the facts.

>>715875345
Since it's just a proposal that nobody's looking at current regulation and how much stuff is compliant with that
They could very well dismiss most of skg and say something like "developers have a right to license their software how they want" and it goes nowhere

>>715874750 (OP)
they dont want the games supported, they want to be able to play them.

>>715876469
>implying the EU boomers won't fall for this shit
Politicians be old and retarded

>>715876216
your ram is cleared when it loses power. therefore everything you see on your pc/console right now is only temporary.

>>715876216
You're gonna be dust in a few hundred years anyway, so that means it's okay for me to kill you.

>>715874750 (OP)
nigga is named Yves lmaaaaooooo

>>715874750 (OP)
>Support [..] forever
Well good thing then that that's not the point of SKG.
This fucking disingenuousness nowadays is so gay.

>>715875904
Yes. It's the same asswipe that should get comfortable with the idea of not owning a board chair for much longer.

>>715875345
>Why does every retard try the "we can't host servers forever!!!" tactic?
Because playing ignorant and relying on the ignorance of your opposition, or person you're speaking to is better than admitting that you just dont want your customers to have their own ability to police themselves or be away from you which makes it hard to control them or sell their data or services.

>>715876393
>And the journo who allowed him
Wrong word. The word you're looking for is 'facilitated' - don't forget that this is a case of "don't bite the hand that feeds you." Game-journos depend on butt-pirating with the AAA companies, or they're out of a job.

>>715874750 (OP)
Why do they keep trying to twist the narrative into "companies supporting games forever". That's not what people want, they want the ability to support the games themselves, which is literally just giving them the ability to play single player games offline and the ability to host multi-player games on private servers, two ancient concepts and no further company support is needed.

If im reading what the ubislop guy is saying correctly...
>we are the only ones with developer access to Xbox live psn nintendo online
>we can either give random private server owners developer access to these services
>or the more likely scenario, we are forced to run a game forever

>support for all games cannot last forever.

>>715876605
The EU working group handling DMA enforcement literally told Apple to fuck off insinuating that iOS, iPadOS and MacOS Safari were separate products, and pulled up Apple's own advertising to be used in counter-evidence -- since said advertising clearly stated these as 'One Safari' where you start working on one device and seamlessly move it over to the other and continue there.

Considering its close topic alignment, the same people are going to be involved here in the hearings for SKG. And they are going to have Ubisoft, EA and all their ilk for lunch.

>>715875345
Cause SKG is so objectively good they cannot make an argument against it without lying and obfuscating SKG arguments/demands.

>>715876783
>Why does the industry, faced with no good counter-argument being possible, choose to fabricate an easily lit straw man?
Gee-- I wonder why, anon.
I REALLY wonder why...

>>715876783
Because they have no defense for their planned obsolescence practices and have to resort to malicious and deliberate misinformation

>>715876854
You don't have to use xbox, PSN or nintendo services to run your games. There are plenty of games who don't.
>b-but muh consoles
Consoles should get their shit pushed in the same way Apple did when they were forced to open their ecosystem for third party software. Unironically Death to XBOX, death to PlayStation and Death to Nintendo. If they don't want to comply i would gladly see them out of Europe.

>>715876783
Because it's an important consideration and the law HAS to account for that. A law that doesn't account for that is a bad law and everyone knows it.

>>715874750 (OP)
thats just him talking out of one side of his mouth
these fuckers are probably livid that this thing has gotten so much momentum
they dont mean half the shit they say about this

>>715874750 (OP)
literally all they have to do is open source their server code
that's it. it takes literaly 0 work. just. open source. your server code.
JUST OPEN SOURCE YOUR SERVER CODE
JUST FUCKING DO IT

>>715874750 (OP)
Nobody is asking for eternal support from the devs. It's incredible how this lie keeps being perpetuated as some "gotcha." People are asking for the tools to keep the games running themselves.

>>715876961
Or maybe they realize which way the wind is blowing and they're raising concerns for concessions? Politics isn't always the polarized American kind.

>>715877254
>Proposition isn't asking for X at all
>Oh, but you have to consider X!
>Why?
>Because it's a bad law otherwise
Anon, why would a law, let alone a citizen's initiative, need to account for a scenario that was never in the cards in the first place?

>>715877349
Okay genius, what's the ultimate goal of a citizens' initiative?

>>715874783
>The lifespan of a piece of software, whenever there’s a service component, eventually services may be discontinued, because eventually the software may become obsolete over time," Guillemot explains. "A lot of tools become obsolete 10 or 15 years down the line. They’re no longer available. And that is why we release a new version. And so we have version two and then version three
These kind of arguments fall flat when you can play their 20 year old games freely and offline and The Crew was proven to have an offline component built in its code, which is coming to its sequel apparently. All their arguments are in pure bad-faith, which is expected of Ubisoft. They'll work well for shareholders, not legislative workers.
Can't wait for the next "surprise mechanics".

>>715875080
Obviously it's because he's a CEO who doesn't understand why. He only understands it'd affect profits.

You know what? I think that the EU should FORCE those corporate slimes to support GaaS forever. That way we can finally be rid of the GaaS menace.

>>715877254
The government doesn't even put that much thought into something important like immigration laws, why would that think like that for fucking games?

>>715874750 (OP)
>make a game with multiplayer and singleplayer
>pull it from sale
>shut down multiplayer
>keep singleplayer for those who bought the game
it's that easy
no support needed, just let us roam the us and replay the goofy-ass story on our own

>>715877391
To have the games be left in a playable state after developers end support for the game.
Nothing suggests that they have to support it forever, and it is written in a way to give an olive branch to developers that they can argue how they would see fit to fulfill that requirement.

>>715877470
The government thinks that immigrants make money and they think games make money.

>>715877308
its them purposefully trying to skirt and talk around the core issue
they refuse to acknowledge handing over some control to the consumer after they cease support for their games
theyre feigning ignorance on purpose

This movement is such a crock of horseshit and it leaves out one key detail that completely obliterates your mold man idiot argument. If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased. SKGiggers will never respond to this post, they have zero response but name calling and MUH HECKIN PIRATE SOFTWARE.

>>715877497
But if the wallets could just keep playing the old better version, how do we get them to spend on the new one?

This needs to be extended to include windows, apple and browsers. No more intentionally breaking software to force version changes.
A law prohibiting 'support' entirely would be amazing. Release shit that works or face consequences.

>>715877528
Right, but you didn't answer the question. It seeks to shape law. They want law changed. Shut the fuck up about "it's just a citizens' initiative" now that it passed.

Now, for the actual argument.
Since there's so many knife murders, we should ban knives. This law addresses the goal, right? Nobody is telling people they can't cook. The law isn't asking for that.

>>715874750 (OP)
How hard is it to allow p2p gameplay by letting users host their own servers?
It would also breathe new life into server browsers again.

>>715875186
>company lobbies politicians for government grants in return for keeping offices downtown occupied and hiring people
>this drives up real estate prices and allows the government to tax the cattle working there more than if they worked at mcdonalds
>the politicians get a cut through real estate ownership or direct bribes
It's the money equivalent of a human centipede. Shit keeps going in a circle until one part of the chain dies from sepsis. Meanwhile the parasites collect money.

>>715877565
Fuck... you're right.
Skiggers... we lost...

>>715877565
>If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased.
Yes?

>>715877598
It hasn't passed yet, it's still got 11 days before the tallying is done, then it gets moved to the EU parliament to decide if they talk about it, then they get representatives from both sides of the issues then see if it is fit to make new legislature.
Did you look up what the process is?

>>715874750 (OP)
ok refund me my money then when you shut the game down

youve had my money youve made interest off of it
give me back my money when i am forced to give you back my game

Reading this person's statement lets me know almost immediately he doesn't know what SKG wants when bringing up what the front box noted.

>>715877593
Easy, make the new version better.

>>715877565
>If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased
Thats a good thing.

>>715877661
Hey dipshit, get a fucking clue. What is the goal of a citizens' initiative? What is the goal of the entire fucking process?

Literally nobody wants your 'service'. Get fucked.

>>715877565
...G-guys...? This wasn't in the FAQ...

>>715877593
Make a good game, it is that simple.

>>715874750 (OP)
>"Support for all games cannot last forever"

it literally has lasted forever for my amiga and commodore games!
make games that can last forever or be forced to pay us back

>>715874750 (OP)
Ubisoft can't die soon enough

>>715877760
To be able to own and play the games you buy.
Its not rocket science.

>>715875186
It's a welfare program like all government jobs. There is practically no real work that needs to be done but monetary system requires jobs to exist.

>>715877565
>If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased.

>>715874750 (OP)
I sure will buy [Product] 2 when you were so eager to kill [Product] 1, Mr. Jon Ubisoft!

>>715877843
Right, so why is it the process of EU parliament and not a process directed towards a game company?

>>715877760
The end goal is to see law change, but the point of the citizen's initiative is to provide a problem and a goal that is wished to be achieved, the legalities of it are to be discussed within the EU with a democratic process that uses representatives of both sides to determine the veracity of this issue.
You don't want the average citizen to write legal documentation, that's not their wheelhouse nor should it be, it's to bring forth a problem and a goal they want to see. The politicians make the final outcome.

>>715876605
EU have every reason to fuck over largely American industries, same as they did with apple, it's not really abput consumers but it benefits them

>>715877887
Are you actually retarded or just pretending?

>>715874783
>"The lifespan of a piece of software, whenever there’s a service component, eventually services may be discontinued, because eventually the software may become obsolete over time,"

well then what is it you think you should stop doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXlLaaoW9qQ

>>715877893
Do you understand why I asked that question? Everything besides the first few words is beside the point.

>>715874783
>because obviously support for all games cannot last forever."
I can still play Heroes of Might and Magic no problem.
Even multiplayer!
Even buy a new digital copy on GOG right now!

Anybody able to explain this phenomenon?

>>715877980
And you have no clue on what the actual process is and why it is silly to ask the citizens on the legal specifics of it. It'd be better to message the actual representatives of the movement about it, rather than supporters.

>>715877953
I'm implying you are. These questions make sense if your points aren't retarded.

>>715877497
they could also make player hosted servers, but they get horrified at the very thought.

>>715878021
You could add a phase to the process where the Emperor Napoleon signs it to decree it into law and it wouldn't be more reasonable as a point of discussion.

>>715877565
>/v/
>has to play videogames

>>715877887
Because the EU has power that individual citizens don't. Ubigay can ignore me, they can't ignore the EU. The EU will rape their ass for me. The EU gives me power which i alone do not have. This is why corporations and other entities hate the EU, it gives power to smaller countries fight bigger countries, it gives power to citizens to fight corporations. The EU is currently the only realistic way for us to save videogames.

>>715874750 (OP)
>>Additionally, Guillemot cites "a one-Euro fee proposed to all buyers of the game. For just one Euro they got to buy the next version."
For just one euro they got to buy the worse version of the game, what a bargain.

>>715874750 (OP)
The guy is right especially for games The Crew or XDefiant. Do you really think they will provide support during 1 century?

CAN WE JUST BE VERY CLEAR
THAT NO ONE NOT NOBODY EVER ONCE ASKED THE CREW OR OTHER GAMES TO BE LIVE SERVICE GAMES

NOBODY WAS PLAYING BURNOUT PARADISE OR OTHER OPEN WORLD DRIVING GAMES AND THINKING HMMMMMM YOU KNOW WHAT? I WISH THIS GAME WOULD AUTOMATICALLY LEAVE MY COLLECTION IN 10 YEARS

NO ONE ASKED FOR LIVE SERVICE GAMES OR ONLINE ONLY GAMES

MAKE OPEN WORLD OFFLINE GAMES THAT EXIST NOW AND HAVE EXISTED FOR DECADES

MAKE THEM AND STFU

>>715878124
They'll just pull out of EU. Say goodbye to any new video games, yuropoor

>>715877992
GOG is extremely problematic and anitisemitic.

>>715878027
EU legislation is directed towards companies to keep products and services available to consumers.

>>715874750 (OP)
I will rape him. I am coming over to fuck him in the ass.

>>715878178
If Apple, Google, Microsoft and Meta didn't pull out of the EU, what makes you think that vidya companies can?

>>715877168
>stop killing games
>only on PC*

>>715878124
And that will result in a directive that individual EU countries put into law. The point is, the whole idea of the movement is to shape law. You can go into minutiae where it's relevant. Ubisoft here is making an argument that's relevant for the end goal.

>>715878178
lmao

>>715878178
microsoft didnt pull out when they get routinely demolished by the EU every year for being a scummy shitfuck company making shit products and shitting on their customoers

if it wernt for the EU the 360 RROD would never have been adressed nor warrenties extended and microshit fined to fuck and rightly so

>>715878178
>They'll just pull out of EU.
LOL if only. EU videogame developers and GOG will take over in Europe gladly.
>noooo we are going to pull out our GaaS and always online games from Europe
GOG is DRM free. All games on GOG work offline in a reasonable state. They already comply with SKG.

>>715878178
And miss out on billions worth of profit?
I dont think so.

>>715878197
Yes. That makes the whole argument I was replying to initially retarded. The effects of the law have to be considered and Ubisoft is raising concerns that limit the potential of the law.

>>715877565
INBRED

>>715874750 (OP)
>Release an online multiplayer game
>Plan to kill it in a few years
>>Sorry people but things can't last forever
>Government makes a law saying if you plan to end online service you must release server data for private hosting between players
>>NO YOU CANNOT DO THIS TO US THE GAME IS OVER AND THIS WOULD BE TOO MUCH HARD WORK

>>715874750 (OP)
If you are selling a subscription, then make that clear and sell a subscription.
>You can only play the game included in this subscription for as long as your subscription is active

But you didn't do that. You sold a PRODUCT. People paid for that PRODUCT and then you took that PRODUCT away.
No refunds btw.

>>715878265
Is it? The argument ubi is making is one of the things that SKG is specifically saying it's not trying to do.

>>715878259
That's why I am wondering that they aren't using the console argument. That should be something that does need discussion and further in depth response... but no they make arguments like "we can't compete with our old products".

>>715878321
Gog has nothing to do with skg and neither does drm

>>715878178
CLEANSE THE PLATE CLEAN
START ANEW

>>715878060
Player-hosted servers come with quite a bit of liability, especially for racing games that are a legal minefield thanks to all the licenses required. Imagine if someone says the N-word. Imagine if someone mods in the latest Ferrari, with the model shamelessly stolen from the newest Forza. Imagine if someone puts the N-word onto a Ferrari. Imagine if a Chinese person connects and gets to read the Tianmen greentext, off the door of a Ferrari. If the servers are officially dead, all the liability is on the people who did it, but if they are officially endorsed servers, the publisher is directly involved in all of that shit happening.

>>715877410
He doesn't even understand that. Had to scam investors to avoid a hostile takeover.

>>715878178
>no more live service slop in europe
Good.

>>715878369
If you didn't get the analogy behind why banning knifes affects cooking, there's no helping your retardation. Glad that you're not the leading voice of the movement.

>>715878380
That is technically wrong since it is alway online DRM that killed The Crew which had its singleplayer made unplayable due to always online DRM.

>>715876216
Doom is eternal

EU is responsible for ending fucking overwatch style gambling boxes and fifa fucking cards not posting their odds and making it illegal to let children gamble in games

what happened? FIFA died
they didnt pull out of teh fucking EU market

EU is a fuucking godsend we should all be fucking lucky were not in teh nightmarish hellhole fat cunt yanks wanted us all to be in with their loot boxes

we were save dfrom the brink of something far FAR wors ethan what we have today

>>715878441
The crew is a live service game
The online part is the DRM
Gog is completely drm free including offline drm which has nothing to do with skg

>>715876338
not difficult. it's just a matter of political will. most multiplayer games used to do that and then they realized that they can force the end of lifespan by not releasing dedicated servers.
>>715874750 (OP)
these companies shouldn't be forced to just release dedicated servers but also the whole source code.

Are they seriously thinking "Softwares can become obsolete" is going to be a good strategy when Softwares are legally intangible goods with an indefinite life and the EU is increasingly legislating Digital Goods to be considered that way?

>>715878359
>But you didn't do that. You sold a PRODUCT. People paid for that PRODUCT and then you took that PRODUCT away.
>No refunds btw
They want ultimate control. They love this one sided nature of who's in control so so much.

>>715878484
God Bless!

>>715878407
I'm imagining it. I'm also imagining how the creators of the game have no connection to the privately hosted game, make no money off of it and have no employees maintaining it.
So I'm just imagining a better version of the game?

>>715878484
Fucking jumpscared

AIjeets are satanic

>>715878498
It might be an excellent strategy for cutting their losses. Maybe they know the jig is up.

>>715878484
thats 'o btw

>>715878256
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>>715878296
>>715878321
>>715878334
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>>715878430
I was just baiting man. Just wanted a few (you)s. Didn't expect you guys going THAT crazy.

>>715878380
Technically God's parent company cdpr are part of the industry shill group opposing skg

Decent arguments against SKG:
>the law may be written in such a way that punishes devs for ceasing development if graphics drivers or OS changes break the game eventually, because it will be written by 50 year old lawyers
>indefinite playable status may make third party licenses, like car companies or or music, charge more or refuse to allow the devs to use their stuff
>large companies will always outperform small ones and individuals in court, so if the law in any way affects the little guy, it could hit them harder than the big guy
>its possible we’re missing some key info about money flow and this will genuinely bankrupt large and well liked studios somehow
Insane argument against SKG:
>game turn obsolete over time and have to be replaced anyhow

There just needs to be a disclaimer near the buy button that says "This game may be revoked at the publishers/developers will" then the responsibility is on the consumer for being retarded.

>>715878570
Man I hope the petition passes just to see them argue with lawmakers lmao. It's going to be better a better shitshow than EA's surprise mechanics.

>>715878484
>EU is responsible for ending fucking overwatch style gambling boxes
Overwatch was so much better when it still had lootboxes

>>715876338
Assuming that you plan for it from the beginning of development, it would be trivial.
For current games? Again trivial for 90% of them. The rest might need some effort, but nothing that software engineers can't do if tasked.
Any arguments about not being possible from a technology perspective are ASININE. It's a business decision.

>>715878695
>make third party licenses, like car companies or or music, charge more
EU should just make it illegal for licenses to be pulled form already developed released and sold games

>>715874750 (OP)
i would love to see SKG go through so companies like ubishit can bleed out and die forever
then ass creed will die forever

>>715878605
have some more, cutie, here's hoping your dopamine receptors burn out from the epic (you) farming and you live your old ages in suffering

>>715878682
>to the heckin surprise of nobody the people that create video games don't want to be regulated in this way
Its just corporate greed guys they have no real arguments

>>715878494
>The crew is a live service game
Is it tho?
>single purchase
>it says ''buy'' not ''subscribe''
>nowhere on the box you see ''live service game''
>you see no ''expiration date'' on the box
Are you saying the Ubisoft used FALSE ADVERTISING to sell The Crew? Do you know that FALSE ADVERTISING is a crime?

>>715874750 (OP)
>Support for all games cannot last forever
Good thing that's not what SKG is asking for. Glad the Ubisoft CEO is on board then, let's go!

>>715874783
You read insane shit like this and it's the most disgusting, slimy, soulless ratlike thinking imaginable and then it hits you: White people are the "jews" they cope about. It's all scapegoating. The white man screeches about kikes as he strikes you.

>>715874750 (OP)
The initiative isn't asking for continuous support though. Is he intentionally trying to misrepresent the issue or is it just ignorance?

>>715878727
I don't know. I see people are underestimating that argument to their own detriment. That's a valid concern. It's going to limit the scope of the law a lot.

>>715878695
>its possible we’re missing some key info about money flow and this will genuinely bankrupt large and well liked studios somehow

there are no large and well liked studios that make online only games

>>715878695
>Decent arguments against SKG
Don't exist in good faith. People who say otherwise are useful rats - or corpojeet themselves.

>>715878810
Germany's already going after them legally for the reasons you just described

>World of Warcraft without homosexual sex offenders
This is all I want.

>>715878830
>Is he intentionally trying to misrepresent the issue
Sounds farfetched. Why would he do that?

>>715878682
>>715878805
does anyone ever fall for your made up samefag bait shit

>>715878810
It's not, as someone that has actually played it. There are other players in the open world like Forza but that's about as live as it gets.

>>715878178
>just gonna back out of one of the biggest economies on the planet so I can force americans to stay on my server
is that why bioware rushed to cancel anthem before the the initiative passed?

>>715878894
The whole of the EU should be going after those Ubisoft assholes.

>>715877953
There is no such thing as pretending to be retarded.

>>715878345
Their only concern is that they will be forced to continue live service slop but this is easily solvable by allowing p2p servers like onder games do.

Seeing people unified in discussing shit like this feels like time traveling back to like 2010 before the invention of the culture war began destroying human civilization.

>>715878805
It's pretty funny that gog is all about game preservation when cdpr are part of the group saying the opposite

>>715874750 (OP)
>"Support for all games cannot last forever"
oh so he has no idea what the proposition is about, very cool, glad I can disregard the rest of what he's saying

>>715877565
don't we want that?

>>715878958
Bioware gave u like 1 year notice anon
And skg isn't retroactive

>>715878958
? The initiative isn't retroactive, do you not even know your own shit?

>>715879015
These threads just arent infested with schizo amerimutts as it doesnt concern them.

>>715878484
AI slop is getting scarily better.

>>715878407
>Imagine if someone says the N-word
>Imagine if someone mods in the latest Ferrari
>magine if someone puts the N-word onto a Ferrari
Reddit or shill?

Stop telling people what to fucking do with the stuff they make, skg is easily the most retarded thing in the videogame scene yet
NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO PLAY SOMEONES GAME SO DONT DEMAND SHIT YOU IMBECILES

>>715878695
>>the law may be written in such a way that punishes devs for ceasing development if graphics drivers or OS changes break the game eventually, because it will be written by 50 year old lawyers
That's fair and shouldn't be the responsibility of the devs.
>>indefinite playable status may make third party licenses, like car companies or or music, charge more or refuse to allow the devs to use their stuff
Not a argument: see GTA.
>>large companies will always outperform small ones and individuals in court, so if the law in any way affects the little guy, it could hit them harder than the big guy
Not an argument: they already have their games to be playable offline or with dedicated/lan/P2P multiplayer.
>>its possible we’re missing some key info about money flow and this will genuinely bankrupt large and well liked studios somehow
Not an argument: Financial speculation isn't valid when legislating customer rights law. Though I'm sure any competent large studio will do fine finding a monetisation system that doesn't actively screw the customer.
>>game turn obsolete over time and have to be replaced anyhow
Games = Digital Goods = Intangible and Indefinite product. Digital goods don't expire naturally, they only get willingly or accidentally deleted.

>>715875080
Because it means you will be less likely to buy their next slop

>>715878989
Realistically, that's one of their concerns, yes. It limits their potential for obsolescence through control. I wouldn't even call it planned obsolescence because it's way more heinous.
The problem is that it's a good faith argument that make it questionable how practical the law will be in the end.

>>715878891
Im generally in support of SKG but government action should always be handled super carefully. We DO NOT have satisfactory bill text yet, “the initiative is ontologically good” doesnt make sense. Once we know exactly what the law looks like, we can discuss the exact ups and downs, but as is, there is absolutely POTENTIAL for disaster letting a bunch of ancient europeans that side with their own citizenry over foreigners once every ten years further legistlate vidya, when nearly every single existing law is about taxes, banning sec and violence, and in the UK’s case a gayass defacto text chat ban for smaller studios. The return policy thing was great! This CAN go well and i hope it does! But i think its worth bringing up possible pitfalls so we avoid them.

>>715879124
Pretty much that yeah
This is just IP theft but asking the government to do it

>>715879063
/v/? play games? do not speak of such horror scenarios, i'm already shaking in terror

>>715878484
>darkwood
>but ai

>>715878826
Check his early life section

>>715874750 (OP)
>Support for all games cant last forever.
True. Thankfully SKG doesnt advocate for eternal support!

>>715878407
I can make massive NIGGER monuments in minecraft on personal servers, don't think anyone holds mojang accountable for that

>>715879083
>The initiative isn't retroactive, do you not even know your own shit?
Esl?
>>715879070
Bioware rushed.

>>715874750 (OP)
This is like Satan responding to a petition in hell for air conditioning by saying it can't be done.

>>715878934
This is video games Poland, bottom of that picture

>>715874750 (OP)
They don't need to support it forever, they just should release a offline mode or dedicated servers.

But somehow... they don't like this idea.

>>715879374
Delete this.

>>715879315
Are you telling me that you're esl because you can't understand a properly structured sentence or what?

>>715879151
We all know what these scumbags are doing is wrong. Just another practice that will get buck broken by the EU. AmeriMONGREL FUD about "le guberbmebmnt" is literally regurgitated Ferretfucker spiel.

You will be raped.

>>715879151
I think people who think EU parliament is a bunch of dinosaurs that don't play vidya are cringe as fuck. That was my first critique of the movement. Ross was a cringe and out of touch old fart when he said politicians in the EU don't understand or care about video games.
This isn't the 1990s any more.

>>715878407
>we could finally have a real pc racing game
If only.

>>715878169
A better comparison to The Crew would be TDU. They are both designed as multiplayer games first, encountering random guys in your free roam and letting you cruise coast to coast with 7 friends are core aspects of both games. But TDU still had a singleplayer mode, and players eventually reverse-engineered its online and put that back up for themselves. Meanwhile The Crew was always online, even when you wanted to play alone, and when they shut it down they deleted all the files from your computer so that it can't be put back up in any capacity. Fuck that.

>>715879083
New laws tend to not be retroactive and that's the position take by SKG to show that it argues in good faith.
That being said there is no guarantee that when this is all done and dusted, the EU wont legislate to include current active games.
Obviously games that are already decommissioned can't be part of any law, but active ones are fair game depending of how bloodthirsty the EU is.

>>715879126
>Financial speculation isn't valid when legislating customer rights law
Wh… what? Thats not a popular position, man. If that was the case, why is it remotely legal to sell anything thats not perfectly designed to last a trillion years and impossible to hurt ones self with. Why are car companies not instantly shuttered the nanosecond one of them has an automobile break down. Consumer rights laws are explictly about balancing the need to keep companies profitable (so that they keep making things) with a need to protect consumers from harm or deception. If it was just about writing uptopian “be a good company or face death” laws, you would live in a controlled economy (read: starve to death) or in an economy no one willingly participates in (read: starve to death)

>>715878695
>>the law may be written in such a way that punishes devs for ceasing development if graphics drivers or OS changes break the game eventually, because it will be written by 50 year old lawyers
The developers/publishers are not liable if such bricking changes occur after the game EOS.
>>indefinite playable status may make third party licenses, like car companies or or music, charge more or refuse to allow the devs to use their stuff
How long the game is playable for is irrelevant to this, only how long the game can be sold for, and SKG doesn't attempt to force publishers to sell a game forever.
>>large companies will always outperform small ones and individuals in court, so if the law in any way affects the little guy, it could hit them harder than the big guy
The little guy doesn't exactly have the luxury to implement always-online and GAAS shit regardless.

>>715875186
Quebec especially Montreal are obsessed with becoming Canadian silicon valley. Its not just Ubisoft getting shit but WB and other IT companies too.

>>715879124
You're giving it away for free, right? No, you want me to pay for it? Uh no you're gonna support the servers forever. We're gonna make the EU force you to do that.
>b-but thats not fair
You deserve it for microtransactions, diversity and fake framegen, You picked a fight and now it's unfair that you're losing? You know who else says that, bullies say that, you are a bully crying that you're a victim

>>715878484
China had laws first requiring all gambling bullshit to list their intended odds and the actual result players got.

>>715878695
>>the law may be written in such a way that punishes devs for ceasing development if graphics drivers or OS changes break the game eventually
Ceasing development? SKG is about games that's been finished developing.
>>indefinite playable status may make third party licenses, like car companies or or music, charge more or refuse to allow the devs to use their stuff
Incorrect. Those types of licenses and deals are for games that are actively being sold. There is no violation for existing copies even if the license has expired, as long as the game is no longer being sold. That's why you can sometimes see some games being pulled off Steam store page, the game still remains accessible to those who bought it prior.
>>large companies will always outperform small ones and individuals in court, so if the law in any way affects the little guy, it could hit them harder than the big guy
Name one (1) hypothetical example. Because I can't think of any.
>>its possible we’re missing some key info about money flow and this will genuinely bankrupt large and well liked studios somehow
Then they'll have no problem letting the regulation committee know about it, right? Instead of, you know, literally lying and misrepresenting the issue like they're doing right now. It's not your job to defend and make excuses for them, is it?

>>715879124
How many corpo dicks can you fit in those gaping holes of yours?

>>715878695
Don't forget that certain game concepts may be reliant on third party services or simply infeasible for a player to run at home for one reason or another.

IMO the law's definition of "playability" shouldn't be anything like "It needs to boot up and play exactly as it was years ago," it should be that they're, in good faith, providing you what they're able to provide so you can attempt to host the game on your own, and if the community has to patch certain things themselves, that's how it is.

As long as the community is provided shit to work with and isn't forced to attempt to reverse-engineer from scratch I'm pretty happy.

>>715874750 (OP)
tl;dr - we're not negotiating and what you say doesn't matter.

>>715879448
i had test drive 2 on ps3
it had player cars on the streets
it was playable offline
it was a massive open world game

i dont even think the crew is a better game than test drive 2 and neithe ris test drive unlimited tbf

>>715879659
I imagine that 20 years into the future, a company will try to sell hardware that's required to play the end of life version of the game.

>>715878810
Live service game means it receives new paid content separate from the game.

This might unironically bring back arcades. Have fun paying for each life.

>>715878826
The turning point humanity is waiting for is for all the indoctrinated americans to realize the villified 'white man' always meant jew.

>>715879568
>China had laws first requiring all gambling bullshit to list their intended odds and the actual result players got.

did they fuck lol
china doesnt have any laws NOW

if china says they did they are lying
china doesnt give a single fuck about anything much less protecting its peasant population from the goverment stealing form them

i dont care what china say or laws in china i dont believe them one fucking bit

>>715874750 (OP)
>here's the next game for 1 buck
>now go buy all the microtransactions all over again
I wish he got shot

>>715879374
what the frick... cdprniggers have betrayed my trust..

>Support for all games cannot last forever
That's not what people are asking for though. They're asking for a final patch to make it playable without their shit.

>>715875486
eat my entire ass, the whole thing

>Support cannot last forever
fuck support, companies deliberately BREAK games by including mandatory offline components and then shutting down a few years later
STOP THAT SHIT

>>715879470
>Consumer rights laws are explicitly about balancing the need to keep companies profitable
Which is why seeing the profits made by AAA publisher over the last 2 decades shoot upwards while their anti-customer practices and quality has been in the gutter will shut down these arguments. Shit's not balanced in the slightest between video games publishers and video games customers.
Pretending that it would cost them oh so much more to patch an offline patch in their single-player online only games when they end support for them is not a valid argument about "augmenting costs".

>>715874750 (OP)
This movement is retarded. Just let your gacha crap die

>>715879920
you have to realise

if a dev makes a game offline playable by law
it goes against their entire narrative that these games NEED and cant be made otherwise than always online

they simply dont want to admit they are fucking people and have been for years

always online games are a scam and always were and devs dont want everyone to realise

xbox said in2013 THERES NO WAY TO MAKE THE XBOX ONE WORK OFFLINEITS HARD BUILT INTO THE CODE AND HARDWARE

>kinect
liars! lie after lie after lie!
fuck all companies
take back your rights

>STOP KILLING EXTREME LOW QUALITY UBISOFT GAMES
Why.......?

>>715880157
Because it hurts them.

>>715880157
To set a precedent.

>>715880038
Unironically a more sane answer than the "that's not what we're asking for" meme

>>715879839
That's the end goal of GAAS already, SKG has no bearing on it.

>>715880204
Having zealots willing to do anything to play your product hurts them? How?

>>715875712
Ubisoft is never sending their best

The reliance on “good faith” is my main concern here. Heres a hypothetical.
Big Dev releases The Crew 28 or whatever. After one year, they pull the official servers, there is no real support for private ones, so maybe 10% of the games content is now accessible. The game is technically playable in a form, and someone COULD figure out how to make servers from scratch, as has happened with several other games.
Small Dev releases a silly online flash game, that, a month after release, is not playable in modern OSs because of a windows update that broke a bit of spaghetti code. The game was a little multiplayer game jam thing, and 0% of the game is now accessible. The dev sold the game for 10 cents, and has already forgotten about it so isnt aware its broken and wont fix it.
How do you write a law such that Big Dev with EXCELLENT lawyers gets punished, and small dev does not? The intention is not to punish any known indie devs, and not to force games to be more expensive to make by requiring additional servicing, but the way i see it, a decent lawyer can argue virtually any game in existence to be perfectly playable to a dedicated fanbase.
Since this is kinda a culture war thing, obligatory “i do support this movement and i am not fond of corporations” disclaimer.

>>715880157
Because today it's extreme low quality Ubisoft games, and tomorrow it's your car. Hell, see the whole John Deere debacle even. It may start with just video games, but it will have important ramifications in consumer protection down the road.

>>715879527
Silicon valley exists because it is one of the best places to live geographically. Quebec is one of the worst, certainly the worst.

>>715880410
Why would they be fighting so hard to make it not happen if it wouldn't hurt them?

>>715880583
Didn't the existing right to repair laws get updated to specifically say you have a right to repair your John Deere tractor in the USA
And the EU has equivalent laws

>>715880479
>Big Dev releases The Crew 28 or whatever. After one year, they pull the official servers, there is no real support for private ones, so maybe 10% of the games content is now accessible. The game is technically playable in a form, and someone COULD figure out how to make servers from scratch, as has happened with several other games.
Malicious compliance is usually smacked down by the EU
>Small Dev releases a silly online flash game, that, a month after release, is not playable in modern OSs because of a windows update that broke a bit of spaghetti code. The game was a little multiplayer game jam thing, and 0% of the game is now accessible. The dev sold the game for 10 cents, and has already forgotten about it so isnt aware its broken and wont fix it.
If they are no longer supporting the game and an event outside of his control means the game no longer works, the dev cannot be blamed.

Any reasonable person can see that this would be the outcomes of your hypotheticals.

>>715880629
>fighting so hard to make it not happen
?

>>715879123
NGL - now I kind of want to see a shop of a glossy deep black Ferrari with gaudy gold trimming and accessories, just because.

>>715874750 (OP)
They want to get to a fifa situation where they can close previous games, then make minor updates and force players to buy the next one. Kind of like Blizzard with OVerwatch 1 and 2.

>>715880848
What are you confused about, little bro?

>>715880914
They aren't doing shit.

SKG must apply retroactively, otherwise it leaves out an immense loophole: studios will just release new games as DLC for older, pre-SKG titles instead of new standalone releases that would have to obey the new legislation.

>>715880975
Right, this thread is about nothing then I guess

>>715880479
>How do you write a law such that Big Dev with EXCELLENT lawyers gets punished, and small dev does not?
Exemption status based on market power, audience size, company size, etc.
The Digital Services Act and Digital Markets Act already do that.
It has precedent.

>>715880583
It's already your car, if you don't pay for software updates tesla shuts your car down, BMW, Mercedes, vw all do it too

>>715880479
>so maybe 10% of the games content is now accessible. The game is technically playable in a form
That's not a reasonably playable state no matter how you slice it. That type of finagling wont work. EU courts are anal about the spirit of the law.

>a month after release, is not playable in modern OSs because of a windows update that broke a bit of spaghetti code.
That's a non issue. The environment that the game plays will always remain the same and it will be the player's responsibility. Like ms-dos games that only play in ms-dos emulated environments, the same will apply to win10 games.

>>715880479
Laws have a cost barrier of entry to prosecute. That's why despite Blizzard and other companies stealing player's games for speech never ends in lawsuits despite being illegal.
Nobody is going to spend thousands of dollars suing a company for 10 cents in damages.

>>715876338
>>715878749
it's pretty hard imo, next to impossible actually. LIve service game servers are not just a binary you give to people. The "server" is in reality more like a dozen servers that are a whole distributed service architecture and possibly even using proprietary cloud services that they dont even own. Architecting all this so that you can do it all on a single server is a completely different beast, it's not something people currently do or want to do. You'd also be forced to use tech that is freely available or be able to remove at any time e.g not using any databases that are proprietary and require licenses, not using cloud services that are paid and aren't removable. Now sure, you can just architect things from the beginning to work in a mode that thinks of all this but it's still a somewhat big amount of extra work to keep this mode tested and working as you keep working on your live service patches and developments.

>>715881068
Sorry, I'm mentally retarded. I don't see how the CEO of Ubisoft answering a shareholder question equates to Ubisoft "fighting hard to make it not happen".

>>715881259
The whole reason you need SKG is because same is true with big companies. You don't need SKG in a world where people sue over a 60 dollar game.

>>715881007
Or, actually, even worse: they can specifically develop a "game" that's just a portal from where you choose what "DLC" you want to play. Essentially a proprietary launcher, except it's sold as a game on Steam. And because it's released before "the SKG law", all its "DLC" is immune to its provisions.

>>715876338
If you are aware that's going to be a requirement, it's easy. If not, you'd need to sort out all licenses and half-assed code made with the assumption it will be forever closed-source, which could cost a lot of resources and which is why pushing for making it retroactive like >>715881007 says is batshit insane and would sink the whole initiative.

>>715881265
Irrelevant bargaining. They will find a way to comply with the law or they will lose access to the market, it's as simple as that.

>>715881281
That okay, plenty of tards are living kickass lives. My ex-wife was tarded, she's a pilot now.

>>715881536
When you sideline any concern as irrelevant, it's just thought-terminating for no reason. We could ban video games and companies would simply have to follow the law, too.

>>715881536
sure, it's definitely possible to comply and frankly it's better anyway (even for testing & development) to always be able to run everything on a single machine. But I'm just saying that this is not what most devs currently do or want to do. They all love to use proprietary tech and cloud services that cost big bucks instead of self hosting, they love to deploy to e.g google cloud's kubernetes or azure's aks and then it pretty much only works there. It will not work anywhere else and most ppl will not be able to self host this without paying a lot and doing a lot of work and half of this setup will be considered company trade secrets too that they dont really want to share. It's almost like open sourcing their infra stack.

>>715881676
Concern trolling should be sidelined.

>>715881676
Thing is its not the customer's concern.
Its the corporations concern.
Aka not our problem.

>>715874750 (OP)
Why are all these companies willfully misrepresenting this as asking for long-term support?
It's about releasing one last update to make the game playable offline, or releasing the bare minimum server software to make it playable offline and then fucking off. You don't need to do anything past that.

>>715874750 (OP)
He is so fucking retarded. Nobody asked for "support forever".

>>715874750 (OP)
>"Support for all games cannot last forever"
Do anything but address what SKG is actually about, eh?
Classic rich people/corporation response.

>>715875615
Learn to read, Guillemot.

>>715874783
he's being fairly considerate but the idea that you can equate a tool to a game is retarded

>>715874750 (OP)
The problem is ALWAYS the CEOs.
/v/ propaganda was against devs and they even celebrate when they fired people to get their big paychecks instead.
Not falling for this shit again.

>>715874750 (OP)
Haven't been following this but wouldn't the easy way to comply is to add an offline bot training mode?

>>715874750 (OP)
>Bugisoft CEO is a massive, dishonest faggot
Not news as far as i'm concerned

>>715882069
>i was only following orders

>>715880479
I sure hope to God the EU commission has better answers than people in these threads

>>715882069
Go make your own nations with your abusive CEOs you beaten housewive devs.

>>715874750 (OP)
>Support for all games cannot last forever
Kudos to him for missing the point of the petition on the first sentence of his adress.
You as a dev are not asked to support the game forever but rather to allow players who so wish to do that

>>715874750 (OP)
Chat, can we catch Ubisoft’s CEO cheating on his wife at a Coldplay concert too?

>>715881397
This isn't asking for them to open source anything, retard.

>>715874750 (OP)
>the company provides "information regarding the game and how long the game can be played,"
Yes, and it lies about it. The Playstation version of Crew specifically said "offer valid until 2099". It literally had an exact date and that date was off by 76 years.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up though. It is mine, I should be able to play it, and that's that. You wanting to sell me some other game does not change my rights. It's especially egregious in the case of Crew because we know fromshowfloor demos that that game DOES have an offline mode, it's just locked away to make players dependent on an online service that they have discontinued. Re-enabling it in a patch would be a trivial matter.

>>Additionally, Guillemot cites "a one-Euro fee proposed to all buyers of the game. For just one Euro they got to buy the next version." As Game File notes, this appears to be in reference to a big sale on The Crew 2
I don't want to play Crew 2. I want to play Crew 1. It's not the same fucking game you worthless French retard.

Tl;dr I hope Ubisoft goes bankrupt and Guillemot dies, then goes to hell and is tortured there forever for being a greedy, dishonest con artist. He certainly deserves it.

I think less of you retards every time I hear you parroting SKG lines without even understanding what was said. There will be something that breaks eventually. The fact that SKG isn't asking for this strengthens the argument he made, it doesn't contradict it.

>>715882626
Eat my entire ass.

>>715882626
That, my friend, is not how logical argumentation works
You have to refute the person making claims, not argue against some imaginary version of them that lives rent-free in your CEO's head

>>715882069
1.) The distinction between devs and the companies they work for is meaningless you fucking turd. They are one single entity. They can't act independently of each other.

2.) We celebrate mass firings because 90% of the people fired are worthless people to begin with. In every large company on Earth 10% of people (men) do all the real work and everyone else is just leeching off of them.

>>715875186
If they don't subsidize this shit then all those workers will move to America and never come back. Despite their love of third world immigrants, the Laurentians know what would happen if the top 10% of every generation was filtered and removed from the gene pool

>>715882801
And I'm saying that you're not refuting his claims.

>>715877565
>If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased.
oh fuck, SKGbros, our response?

>>715882984
You can't just claim anything you want

>>715882626
>There will be something that breaks eventually.

No there won't. My copy of Super Mario from 1985 works perfectly in 2025. Barring physical media failure, it will continue to work perfectly forever, all the way to the heat death of the universe. It will not require an online patch or a server because it was designed from the start to never need such things. If you simply design games in a way that they have an offline mode, they will literally never, ever, ever break on their own.

>>715874750 (OP)
that fag probably doesn't even know they're sitting on the might and magic ip doing nothing with it fucking shitty company need to die already

>>715882984
Mostly because it's stuff that's been talked about already.
Even the first line is already based on a wrong assumption.
>"Support for all games cannot last forever"
That is the number one "argument" that gets shot down everytime because skg does not ask for games to last forever.

>responds with the same retarded talking points that the shills in these threads kept repeating
This is kind of funny and disturbing simultaneously.

>>715877565
>forcing /v/ to play videogames
FUCK THIS SHITTY INITIATIVE

>>715877565
>This movement is such a crock of horseshit
This “movement” is the same tired crock of horseshit dressed up in revolutionary cosplay. Just another Marxist-lite fantasy camp where utopian delusions are passed around like a bad joint.
It’s the usual cocktail: empty slogans, bumper-sticker philosophy, and wishful thinking masquerading as a plan. No nuance, no substance—just a lot of chanting and virtue-signaling with the intellectual depth of a puddle.
Naturally, it attracts the perpetually confused—those allergic to complexity and addicted to easy answers. For people who can’t be bothered to think, nothing’s more comforting than magical solutions wrapped in moral outrage.

>>715882296
Assuming for a second that he's arguing in good faith, he could be trying to prevent the EU from suggesting doing it even if it falls outside SKG's requests.

>>715877565
I want to watch the industry burn
And I'll do it by playing a game from 15 years ago with a server of 15 chinamen who barely speak English, 10 Brazilians who cheat and this force everyone else to get better to compensate, the 5 or 6 weird Russians who always hot mic and we get to hear when their grandma is having a stroke in the other room, and the 10 or so british/Americans with Logitech call center mics. The Fin hosting our server never plays but keeps the lights on and we donate to him hotpockets

>>715882296
except that is kind of what people actually want when they say this stuff, they just dont know it yet. What will you do when the game server version that they released has some bug that is really annoying? will you really live with it or will you curse Ubisoft for no longer supporting their server software and "fixing this small thing, only this one time!!111"

>>715883115
Every time that line gets repeated, the argument is left completely unaddressed.

>>715876338
It isn’t hard, it used to be the norm until companies became greedy

>>715878484
Arugulably, lett us stop AI before it kills humanity and is the only thing romaineing
That s al a'd to say ok god bless

>>715878407
>but if they are officially endorsed servers,
So, not the servers we are talking about. And no, releasing dedicated hosting software is not "officially endorsed servers". It's still user hosted content, whatever happens on those servers because it's not the company hosting them. It's the simplest thing in existence, enabling publishers to completely wash their hands of the affair.

>>715883356
Because it's not a demand of skg?
What's to address when it's irrelevant to what the movement is about?
It's like, I don't know, striking for higher wages and the other side going "yeah but you are asking us to make everyone a billionaire and we can't do that".

>>715874783
>>"But this kind of issue is not specific to Ubisoft," Guillemot continues. "All video game publishers are faced with that issue. You provide a service, but nothing is written in stone and at some point the service may be discontinued. Nothing is eternal. And we are doing our best to make sure that things go well for all players and buyers, because obviously support for all games cannot last forever."
Nobody wants support forever.

>>715876338
From what I gather, setting something up peer to peer is less of a headache by a wide margin.

>>715874750 (OP)
>Ubisoft CEO responds
Irrelevant.
>"Support for all games cannot last forever"
False.

Good talk.

>>715883338
>what if: schizo headcanon I made up

>>715883567
I'm going to explain it clearly and fuck off since I sense a thick skull.
You're deferring to the wisdom of the lawmakers by stating that you didn't ask that. I don't think that's completely wrong in this situation, but being smug about deferring to the wisdom of an authority just isn't an argument.

>>715883723
>just do the governing for us
No, I don't think so. If my taxes are going to those parasites in the government, I expect them for once to do their jobs.

>>715883716
how exactly do you think gamers themselves will "maintain" closed source servers? what do you think software maintenance is? It's the exact same as software development. So you can't do any maintenance without access to the source code which would be insane to give out, they won't do that. Really, the truth is that the best case scenario here is that you all get some gimped LAN mode without any of the live service features and then you can go play that forever. Nothing else is going to happen.

>>715881007
Obviously the newly sold dlc needs to be available forever because you're selling it after the cutoff date.

>>715883723
Your problem is that we aren't doing the lawmakers' job, right here, right now? On 4chan of all places?

>>715877565
>If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased.
Damn, I was on the SKG-train, but this is making me reconsider...

>>715883873
>you can't do any maintenance without access to the source code
Yes you can. Ever heard of DLL injection?
>gimped LAN mode without any of the live service features and then you can go play that forever.
That's perfectly fine as far as I am concerned. We have zerotierone and hamachi to turn LAN into WAN, not to mention that spoofing of DNS services and realmlists is a completely doable thing.

>>715883929
My problem is that some people are not even engaging with the argument while acting like they addressed it. As I said, it's not always wrong to defer to the wisdom of an authority.

>>715883783
I'd pay twice more taxes if the politicians literally did nothing, just sit there looking at their hands. We'd be better off. Most of their "governing" is fixing up their own mess by creating another one.

>>715884019
I'd agree with you 99.9% of the time, but not this time, since this definitely kicked the hornet's nest.

chances lil yves is in the Epstein list?

>>715883873
>So you can't do any maintenance without access to the source code
Are you fucking stupid? Do you think all the mods and community patches that exist had access to their respective source code?

>>715877565
you might actually be retarded

>We can't keep servers up forever!
Why do they all misunderstand the prompt?

>>715883783
Instead you're just parroting what youtubers and corporations told you

>>715884157
For the same reason strawmanning faggots on this site misunderstand argument on purpose.

>>715874750 (OP)
Damn, the boomer brain is strong with that guy.

>Ubisoft CEO addresses Stop Killing Games
>I am a huge fucking retard who hasn't even read the first sentence of the petition.

>>715884072
mods are effectively reverse engineered hacks, depending on the tech you will likely be able to do next to nothing with them.

>>715884157
Cause SKG will change their business model so they're trying to change the public opinion

>>715883274
Mega soul
I've been intermittently playing the source mod pirates vikings knights 2 since like 2007 and there's very few people playing but it just makes the experience better
>Tfw you're playing on einars server with einar himself on the rats map einars_room and can melt people in the microwave or hear funk tunes on einars (breakable vinyl player)
game has been in continuous glacial speed development for the last 20 years and is about to release the final class any moment now

>>715884306
I asked you two simple questions and yet you didn't answer, why?

>>715879062
he knows, he is deliberately muddling the water so retards online who love being contrarians without knowing anything side with this ubisoft cunt

>>715884010
>The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.
The "argument" is literally addressed verbatim on the first few paragraphs of the official initiative.
I don't know what you think you are doing here, but it's definitely not serious.

>>715884157
You don't get to decide how I make my money. How about I go into where you work and tell you that you have to give me access to your backrooms and tell me how your bread was made so that I never run out of your delicious bread in case your bakery goes bankrupt?

>>715884307
They're doing a pretty piss poor job of that then, given that the public is incensed precisely because they do not care for their ideas of support, but instead of their right to ownership. I guess that's what happens when you dismiss your HR department to boost profits - you get to be the one that makes stupid public statements and then have to face the music.

>>715874750 (OP)
I mean of course they can't address SKG directly and have to resort to "games can't last forever". Like, they can't say outright they don't want to compete with their own game. They know the new game doesn't have anything to offer. They developed the same game in the new engine of the year and removed some features and skins to sell them later.

>>715884368
I did answer, you just dont understand the answer. Hacks are inherently done without access to source code.

>>715884395
>You don't get to decide how I make my money.
Actually, we, as in, the people, do, all the time.

>>715884395
As long as you have a lifetime bread license, sure.

>>715884347
Based Einar, the gates of Valhalla are open to him.

>>715884010
Fine, let's walk you through what been said a thousand fucking times then. What we want is not for games to last forever, it's for games to live their natural lifespan, not be turned off at the flip of a switch and the whims of the developer/publisher. To do so, a number of solutions have been raised which all point to the same basic concept, once a developer/publisher loses interest in a game, let the community take on a curator role and allowing paying customers to keep access to the games they paid for. This is done though a variety of methods, some have been detailed in the skg faq but are open to further discussions, all of they detached from the need of further dev/publisher intervention. If nobody in the community wishes to curate that game beyond that, then so be it.

>>715874783
>Argument is a strawman

You can tell these people don't actually understand what SKG is about. When did they ask for eternal support? Ross just wants an offline distribution with a disclaimer saying 'no longer supported by the manufacturer, all issues blah blah blah'. Also, what the fuck is this retard talking about? Games are "tools" that become obsolete after a certain time? Is that why I can play games from thirty years ago today with no issues? Sounds like kike speak to get you to buy their latest game.

And yes live service games are different to single player which is why SKG exists to begin with. They should account for an offline version of the game/distribution like a lot of mobile games sometimes do with an offline variant where everything can be gotten in game.

>>715876404
palworld isn't an always online live-service game, but yeah there really isn't an excuse

>>715884458
Oh, maintenance is done without access to the source code? Amazing.

>>715884391
That doesn't address the argument. You can repeat it 100 times but it's not more addressed.

>>715875850
The company who released the game already have the server, they only have to release it, or implement it into the base game, so itself can host the game. Look at those old games hosting like a server (worms etc), and newer games, like Assetto corsa. Funily enough they want to avoid the AC situation, when ACC wau more less players than AC, and with the new one AC evo, things are looking worse

>>715884640
Yea ok, you are mentally challenged we get it.

>>715878178
Lmao, no they won't. Companies aren't gonna lose access to tons of money from the entirety of Europe. They will bend the knee just like Apple.

You are actually a fucking retard.

>>715876338
autistic losers, neckbeards and trannies can whip up private servers with no documentation at all for free
surely it shouldn't be a challenge for a company worth multi millions?

ah the good old fashioned
>umm, ackschually, it is a service

A service has reasonable expectations for duration and expiry
>amusement park ticket
EXPLICITLY SPECIFIED PERIOD
>haircut
until service is completed
>tyre change
until service is completed
>subscriptions
EXPLICITLY SPECIFIED PERIOD
>videogames
article 1235 subsection 12b says we can terminate the service whenever we feel like it in the EULA you only have access to after purchase

all of these faggots need to be tied to the giant server mill and turn the wheel, and be whipped until they expire

>>715884660
Do you know if the server even run on windows? Is it made to run on a normal PC, or on a server infrastructure?
You don't know jackshit, do ya pal?

>>715884395
>How about I go into where you work and tell you that you have to give me access to your backrooms and tell me how your bread was made
You mean like the food inspectors that exist in every country to try and prevent greedy owners from selling you moldy bread with rat shit mixed in?
>so that I never run out of your delicious bread in case your bakery goes bankrupt?
>buy bread
>next day bakery is about to go bankrupt
>bakery thugs break into my house and throw whatever was left of the bread into the trash so I have to go buy new bread and keep the bakery afloat

>>715875850
This

>>715884791
God, let's hope the devs do know all that!

>>715884791
So? Provide a list of system requirements to run the server, people will handle the rest.

>>715884685
Read it carefully. It's a statement that the movement does not seek to address that can of worms or anything. The movement seeks to avoid addressing the argument.

>>715881970
He just subverts the narrative to stir people away from joining the movement. They can't stop red pilled players but they still can spread blue pills using their media connections for those who hasn't picked a side.

>>715877565
God DAMMIT what the FUCK is that monkey paw's problem??

>>715884814
>You mean like the food inspectors

food inspectors aren't given the recipe to Coca Cola, sorry dude. Stop being dumb. I dont even know what unhinged garbage that other example was about.

>>715875904
I'm comfortable not owning Ubisoft games because I don't buy them

>>715874750 (OP)
so he didn't actually respond to it then

>>715875345
It's to warp the narrative, which is all that matters. Remember the McDonald's coffee incident where an elderly woman received third-degree burns? Her original request was for the bare minimum in medical expenses. McDonald's refused, and her lawyer had to escalate it from there. When McDonald's couldn't win, they used the media to publicly shame and ridicule her while leaving out vital elements of the case. The public had the wrong idea of the case, and it remains that way until you look deeper into the whole lawsuit.

>>715884882
That is not for the movement to address presently, that will happen later, when it will enter the parliamentary talk stage. Trying to debate would be legislation right now is a waste of time and effort and giving away your cards early can also allow for your opposition to better prepare for it. It would be not only wasteful, but actually counter-intuitive for anyone within SKG to propose any kind of legislation.

>>715885076
Now you're just restating half my point, but with a mountain of intellectual dishonesty added to it. I'll go even further and say it's a good approach. It simply leaves this issue unaddressed.

>>715884945
>false equivalence

>>715884882
Every single thing is addressed, preemptively. Because we know how sleazy they are.
Out of all the shills that has graced these threads over the last year, you are the most retarded, unequivocally.

>>715878605
>i was just pretending to be retarded
No, you were not, live with that shame of being a stupid fucking gorilla

>>715885169
I don't see how it is intellectually dishonest to not give your enemies ammo. The issue of legislating the process of cessation of killing of videogames is an issue for when the process of legislation will begin and Ross Scott, along with, or being represented by his chosen legal representatives will speak before the European Parliament.

>responded to skg
>looks inside
>Cope excuses

>>715884738
>wake up one day
>tyre change service expires
>wheels are gone
>money stolen

>>715885295
Oh my lord. Now you're saying you're afraid of the truth because the truth might hurt you? I think the truth is on the side of SKG.

>>715885342
What truth exactly?

>>715874750 (OP)
>"Support for all games cannot last forever"
So don't sell them as products. The subscription model is right there.

>>715879180
>IP theft
>after fucking EoS
why do you retards keep just showing up to badly lie

>>715885368
That these issues are real and can be addressed. Truth is SKG is smart not to address them other than to state that they get a company cannot support a game forever.

>>715875345
>Why does every retard try the "we can't host servers forever!!!" tactic?
because if they repeat it enough they might be able to fool some people into thinking that's what's being asked for

>>715885418
I can't read this ESL drivel, sorry.

>>715885469
That's fine and reasonable. Notice that at the same time it doesn't address what was said?

>>715877565
>If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased
Explain further

>>715874750 (OP)
>caring about the opinion of some globalist pedophile who destroyed one of the best gaming companies in Europe

>>715878407
>online interactive is not rated
Solved problem

If this is all the shitty arguments they can bring to the table, EU is going to fuck them up the ass so hard

>>715885469
Don't bother, it's not even that he is here to argue in bad faith. He is not here to argue at all.
He just wants to frustrate you with non-arguments and talking in circles.

>>715876338
Trivial

>>715883221
If you write your posts using a fucking LLM you should actually kill yourself.
>its not an LLM; its AI
Kill yourself twice.

>>715874783
>we can maintain a game for 10 years
>but we cannot provide server tools at the end of those 10 years
This guy is such wesaley little liar.

>>715879568
They cancel it just like social credit score actually.
Only France has that.

>>715874750 (OP)
>soon to be dead company still gets a seat at the table
holy shit just die already

>>715877565
>If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased

SKG sure has them riled up - especially as it will hit 1.4m signatures within a few days so those who are going to be on the wrong side of the law can't even rely on it not getting enough signatures.

>>715877565
>If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased.
Damn, I never considered that. There's got to be some other way!

>>715886080
Govt will force you. Minimum of 6 hours a day.

We also need to get the EU to regulate AI slop out of videogames and other media. There is currently an investigation about what META did with their AI and how they literally stole/pirated peoples work so they can profit out of their AI and there is zero chance for anything in the US since META bought the American judge. I am not shitting you. The EU is our only hope for this, the USA is corporate owned and corporations can steal and get away with it as if it's nothing. They can steal your work to feed their AI, they can steal your games. We've reached Cyberpunk 2077 levels of corporate dystopia in the US and those corporate fuckers are trying to push this shit in the rest of the world.

>>715876338
Laughably easy for most games. The only games that could struggle with this would be mmo games, but not due to the complexity of software or hardware, but because to connect to an mmo server you need more than just the server itself running ,as, databases containing accounts, character information and authentication servers themselves also are required, creating a multiple part solution requiring problem. Then again, it didn't stop most MMO games from being privately emulated either. And it would have been much easier and more profitable for the companies too, by fostering goodwill, if they had given even the slightest bit of a shit about the games they intend to discontinue. They all seem to have forgotten, that trust is one of the most important things you can have in a successful business relationship.

>>715884791
Ermmm... If the server is integrated on the game itself, why does it matters?

>>715886151
can the government instead force me to date a twin catgirl/catboy combo instead?

>noooooo think of the poor corporation

>>715886158
Bricking consoles is also legan in the USA. Let that sink in.

>>715886158
>We've reached Cyberpunk 2077 levels of corporate dystopia
And NO fucking bionics to make it tolerable. Why can't they copy the cool stuff as well for once?

>>715886340
*legal

>>715874750 (OP)

>>715886340
>Its illegal on EU
Feels good to be yuropoor, honestly

>>715886406
We already have bionics and exosceletons IRL, they are just not as advanced. Also i would not want to live in a world with corporate controlled bionics. There is literally a scene in Cyberpunk 2077 where a worker who had bionic hands ''owned'' by the corporation got his hands taken away in a way we are already at a point where they are trying to take away things from us. Videogames are the canarry in the coalmine. They tie videogames with always online DRM and you don't own the videogame you paid for. Imagine the same corporate future but you get your bionic arm and it has always online DRM so they can turn off your arms. Fuck this gay earth. Corporations must be regulated to death. REGULATE THOSE FUCKERS!!! Don't let Cyberpunk 2077 become our reality.

>>715886812
This, if this gets stopped at video games, it becomes possible to use that to prevent corps from EOSing other things too. There are already cars with heated seats that can only be activated with a subscription, that shit needs to be killed, dead, before it gets anywhere.

>>715885335
You're joking but this is how cars work now

>>715886565
this negatively affects the GDP

>>715885035
McDonald's still didn't owe her shit btw.

>>715886812
We already had a situation like that where a woman was an implanted chip that would send a signal to a device she had that would warn her when she's about to have an epileptic seizure. When the company supplying that chip went bankrupt, they demanded she have a surgery to take it out or be sued into oblivion.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/05/25/1073634/brain-implant-removed-against-her-will/

>>715887092
Cool, fuck the GDP

>>715885845
Saying you don't want to address the topic is explicitly not addressing a topic. If you're frustrated by the idea, maybe you need to be.
>we don't want a game killed
>well, we can't support a game forever
>we don't expect you to
>yeah, but the game will eventually die
>WE DON'T EXPECT YOU TO SUPPORT IT
What does this exchange address? Not any fucking issue, that's for sure.

It literally only requires running a single server, which if you offer live game access you already have.

More corpo lies

>>715874750 (OP)
>Hey can you offer the tools to run private servers when you end a game
>"OY VEY WE CANT AFFORD TO SUPPORT A GAME FOREVER THIS IS UNREASONABLE
I get the tactic but it's annoying watching every response to the movement be internally misinterpreting the demands

>>715877565
How is it no one has refuted this yet?

>>715874750 (OP)
>"Support for all games cannot last forever"
Well good thing that nobody is asking for that then.

>>715885442
What would that even accomplish? This is going to get to the EU commission, and the SKG people will get a say there too, so they can just say "we aren't asking for that retard" and then the game industry will look like idiots who don't understand how their own products work in front of the people who they are trying to convince to do what they want.

>>715876338
Literally every live service game created, and will ever be created will also have the ability for private servers to be created for internal testing purposes.
It is simply a case of providing access to the tools needed to create those. The greatest effort would be console only live service games (if any exist) as you would need to patch the consumer client to allow the means of connecting to another server. A trivial matter because again, internal clients will have this for testing purposes.
What >>715881265 brings up is irrelevant (also incorrect). It doesn't matter how hard it is for the layperson to replicate the hardware needed. That is their problem compliance with the law simply requires that it be possible in the first place.

Genshin impact is a currently running live service game. You may have heard of it. People have managed to reverse engineer private servers for it. If they are able to do that then there is zero excuse for publishers.

>>715887136
Holy fucking shit, we live in dire times. Even in the fucking dark ages, if the local monk implanted a valve in your head for on the go trepanation, you would never be forced to remove it if the monastery got convicted for heresy or some shit. This is the future they want for humanity.

>>715887262
At the start, i thought that you were just being obtuse, but it's clear that you are just retarded.
>yeah, but the game will eventually die
A game that is left in a playable state WILL NEVER DIE you fucking imbecile.

>>715887136
Jesus fucking Christ!

>>715874750 (OP)
>>715875345
Guillemot has always been a giant niggerfaggot.

>How about you pay me to keep what you purchased functioning?
>No I refuse to distinguish it as a service or service platform. You still need to pay full price for a product first.

These non-humans are just funny at this point.
This attitude is why everyone is going straight to regulation. There isn't a hint of irony in how mentally unhinged their greed is.

They are also ignoring how the overwhelming majority of Earth cannot throw enough money at the problem of poor internet service. No amount of wealth can fix living in a state that treats Internet like it isn't a part of modern life. That's at the core of why Always-Online is facing so much pushback.

These retards all live in a bubble where the think high-speed uninterrupted internet is easy to get for everyone. It's not fucking true at all.

>>715887546
Wrong. Even a game left in a playable state will eventually die.

>>715877992
You're just trying to hurt small indie developers because reasons.

>>715878407
They can sue anyone who even dares to monetize or puts up a donation page. Easy

>>715887101
>Dude let me serve you boiling liquid straight into your car
If shartdonalds wanted your coffee to be warm for longer they should serve it in a insulated cup but that might cost 12 cents more per coffee

>>715886812
Reminds me of a talk by Cory Doctorow where he brings up the possibility of adware in cochlear implants.

>>715887625
It will only truly die when the last user with the last computer that had the game preserved on it, decides to delete it, or the file is otherwise lost due to what can be described as an act of god. I would sooner prophesize humanity going extinct before that happens.

>>715887625
>Technically during the heat death of the universe all data will be deleted and even your NES games from back in the 80s will die.
Yea we established that you are retarded. Stop wasting our time. You have no arguments.

>>715887625
This is a bad faith argument. Our Sun will eventually die too. You will also eventually die. I mean you will eventually die anyways, why try and prolong it? Just kill yourself.

>>715887625
Yes, when NO ONE gives a fuck about it.

>>715884429
>The reason Ubisoft look like a bunch of retards is that they fired too many of their useless diversity hire niggers troons and woman working in HR
No.

>>715887539
I'd take Dark Age monks over corpos at this point. Whatever harm they caused, was out of ignorance, not malevolence.

>>715887771
That's 5 years for a lot of media

>>715887914
Not quite. More than a few people like to preserve anything they can get their hands on. It's why Warhammer: Age of Reckoning and Tera Online have private servers running.

>>715884575
they understand it perfectly, but they deliberately misrepresent it as propaganda to discredit it

>>715883356
Because it's a false premise that's put forth in bad faith you fucking halfwit.

>>715887810
It reframes the argument from fantasy into reality. The game will eventually die. What does it mean for a game to be alive? Can it be missing all meaningful features as long as it's a game?

SKG is a bad movement.
If you get to play the same game forever. You're stuck in stagnation.
You will always be a skinnyfat neet that never moves on.

Death IS part of life. Without death we would never move on. Let game dies, enjoy a new game. repeat.

>>715888149
Saar...

>>715878178
Apple just got a huge cockslap from the EU and they still sell iPhones in the EU

>>715888149
good morning saar

>>715884882
"support" is active maintenance and warranting functionality
That is not what SKG is asking for. The onus on keeping it working can fall on the users, but companies should not be allowed to render games entirely inoperable. That is the crux of this issue.
For fuck's sake, why do bootlickers like you have such a hard time understanding this? It's not fucking complicated.

>>715888149
>If you get to play the same game forever. You're stuck in stagnation.
You are retarded since i can still play the CDs i bought 25 years ago and that did not stop me from buying new games on GOG.

>>715888264
>>715888189
Do not redeem... pls...

>>715887625
It'll eventually make its way to archive.org and some dumpster diver looking for fun abandonware will play it in 100 years.

>>715878178
>Pulling out from one of the richest region that could actually afford vidya.

>>715888267
So what separates ending support and killing a game? Where is the line?

>>715888149
We're already stuck in stagnation thanks to copyright considering low-effort remakes and ports to qualify as new rather than still subject to the copyright term of the prior release. If anything, this will cause innovation because companies will have to compete with themselves to continue making a profit.

>>715888149
>Ubisoft
>Anti-stagnation
Ah yes, a 25th Assasins Creed is exactly what we need, something new and fresh

>>715888267
Don't fall for it.
When his retarded arguments get shut down, he pretends like nothing happened and starts over.
He is not even arguing semantics, he is here only to waste your time.

>>715888419
"Ending support" means not pushing updates for this anymore and we're not providing you customer support or any help if it breaks. If a windows update breaks it, tough luck. Fix it yourself with a compatibility layer.
Killing a game means actively rendering it inoperable so even under the conditions where it previously worked perfectly it does not and there's no way for the user to make it operate again.

>>715888325
Ubisoft's crap won't live though.

https://www.destructoid.com/while-fans-rally-around-stop-killing-games-movement-eas-taking-yet-another-one-offline/

>>715888149
>Death IS part of life. Without death we would never move on.
Yeah no shit, we're trying to kill Ubisoft

Throwing more fuel into the fire since it looks like it has not been posted yet.

Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20250717044806/https://80.lv/articles/ubisoft-ceo-puts-his-son-in-charge-of-the-tencent-subsidiary

Live Link: https://80.lv/articles/ubisoft-ceo-puts-his-son-in-charge-of-the-tencent-subsidiary

>>715888149
Dying of old age is a part of life
Murder is not

>>715888419
Support ended example: Counter Strike 1.6. You can play it with bots, or with players, but it's up to you to resolve any technical difficulties to make it playable on more modern modern systems or do any port forwarding if necessary for hosting and online play. You will receive no help from developers if you run into any issues.


Game killed example: The Crew. Not playable even if you have it installed due to necessity for always online remote authentication, even for its singleplayer component. Literally money stolen situation.

>mfw the frontpage of /g/
Not even remotely surprised /g/ supports us, but I'm mildly surprised someone bought a banner.

>>715888571
There's an actual interesting implication here. I think your definitions end up saying that you're asking to ban always online DRM. What do you think about that? I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking if you think that's based or an overreach.

>>715875186
They don't. This is the sort of shit USAID was promoting.

>>715876338
They already have the ability to run dedicated servers, but doing so gives people the ability to run private servers. Which is what they don't want.

>>715888667
This is excellent news. If Ubisoft's CEO doesn't destroy the company then his nepo son will. The only thing going for Ubisoft games is all the art assets that make the worlds more realistic, but I'm willing to let that go when the company is tumorous cancer.

>>715888795
If DRM becomes inoperable, they should indeed be forced to remove it.

>>715888795
Only in the cases when DRM leads to the game being unusable because its servers are down. If say, Denuvo goes bankrupt next year and all the games that relied on it for verification cease working...people would be well within their right to demand that developers patch it out so they can keep using the products they paid for.

>>715877565
Wrong. I don't buy video games.

>>715888876
Or patch it for EOL, of course. I commend you for actually engaging with the topic.
The issue I find is that there's a lot of these situations. I believe it's all non-issues, this will likely result in good outcomes. I just hate that people are so emotional they can't engage with disagreements even to miniscule the extent you did.

>>715888765
Unfortunately some other chans completely suck. I tried to spread the news to one about SKG and they immediately shit on the petition with the antisemitic and libertarian conspiracy nonsense.

>>715874750 (OP)
>>715874783
>CEO is illiterate
The fucking state

>>715874783
> eventually the software may become obsolete over time
Software is not a food product you baboon. Software stays static forever and never turns obsolete. It's the surrounding environment that changes, but that doesn't mean your game must have a killswitch

>>715877565
Oh fuck oh shit why didn't anyone tell me this before I signed? How do I unsign?

>>715889045
I can't speak for everyone here, but I can speak for myself. I had bought singleplayer games protected by DRM like Starforce and at the end of their life, no developers bothered to patch that crap out of their games, so the CD's and DVD's that I own and had bought over a decade ago right now are dead fucking weight that I kept only for sentimental value. To play those games, I would have to crack them myself, pirate them, or buy their DRM-free copies again. SKG would help prevent such a thing from occurring again to anyone in the future and I would be very happy to see it done.

>>715886158
USA can just threaten to pull out of NATO and the EU will cave in.

>>715889053
What gave you the impression the poos are only here? Notice how it says forums/boards in plural. If anything they prefer smaller chans because the smaller userbase makes it easier to astroturf. Less real users means less opposition to your shilling.

>>715889045
I mean, the whole crux of this is ensuring games remain playable after end-of-life. I don't think the question of always online DRM is a hard one, personally; if it prevents you from playing the game, then yes, it needs to be removed.
If the game continues working with the DRM, it can stay.
Leaving the DRM after EoL would certainly pose a risk to companies, however. Hypothetically, say Denuvo goes under ten years after a game was EoL'd in accordance with law and is now rendered inoperable, but the company has lost the source code and can no longer remove the DRM; that's a lawsuit. So in practice, this will mean that EoL enforces removal of DRM, likely, or at least keeping source code around to push an update in the event DRM becomes a problem.

>>715877565
>If this passes, you'll get to play the games you purchased.
Fuck, that means I'll be forced to work on my backlog!

>>715887262
I can play UT2004 right fucking now, online even, it is 21 years old and had no support for like 16 of those, explain that.

>>715887886
Monks were always absolutely based. There are monks building a coffee roastery in the US in gothic style and they taught themselves autocad and 3D printing

>>715889413
I think it's a good goal. Removing DRM by law after end of support.
I'm satisfied. I don't care about the actual topic. I just don't like the intellectual dishonesty paired with strong emotions. I don't think there's any prohibitive issues to make this all work. It all comes off as being afraid to admit that there might be ridges to iron out. No reason to be, it's a good idea.

I just like watching vidya companies squirm.

>>715889676
That is very impressive. I'm not big on religion, but I have respect for such people that find ways to support themselves.

>>715889668
You can play all old multiplayer games as long as you run them in a virtual OS. Some don't even need that and just run.

>ask for end of life plans
>NO I CAN'T SUPPORT GAME FOREVERERINO NOOO
good thing nobody is asking for that.
pretending to be illiterate and retarded is still illiterate and retarded

>>715889668
It was made in a separate time where you didn't have current architecture and services to depend on. I think that's clearly doable even now, but mandating it is probably a bad goal.

>"Support for all games cannot last forever"

Stopped reading there. Anyone who thinks this is what SKG is about is a fucking moron who hasn't bothered to read it, and thus their "opinions" are ignorant and irrelevant.
You don't get to be part of the conversation if you won't even bother to put in the minimum legwork to read the fucking thing.

>>715890208
Corpos gotta corpo. They will try and twist the narrative. We won't let them. We will own our videogames and we will be happy.

>>715890208
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T POINT OUT MY ARGUMENT IS BAD FAITH - Ubisoft probably

>>715876338
Lost tech, stop asking questions.

>>715874750 (OP)
>satan's left fistula trying to convince you to not do something
Is he dumb enough to not realize this will just motivate more people to sign the petition?
Or was that speech intended only for the handful of EU dinosaurs who will vote on the matter and have no fucking clue about the industry?

>>715890208
>>715890740
>Hey what time do you close your store?
>Could you like put up a sign of your opening hours, it's pretty random you just close whenever you feel like
>I CANT KEEP MY SHOP OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY WHEN WOULD I SLEEP??!!

>>715889396
Except the EU is already gearing up for that possibility. And we all know the US will enrol back into NATO after Drumph. The guardian god emperor of pedo protection is going to fuck right wing US for years to come by the time his term is over.

>>715874750 (OP)
>muh support
Doesnt the movement also advocate for community tools if the publisher doesn't want to support the game anymore so the community can host their own servers?

>>715874750 (OP)
lmfao this is the best they can come up with???

>>715891385
>Implying there will be any more elections

>>715891548
I think it's extreme naivety to think it's a bad argument. There's enough validity there to gridlock the process for 20 years.

>>715891707
its a very bad argument no one is asking for a online forever game, they want offline mode or given servers on their end like they do with the old call of duty's this argument is mute and you are a gay faggot

>>715891707
If you need to strawman like an average 4chins user it is a bad argument.

>>715891930
It's not a strawman. It's a concern. You are hopelessly naive.

>>715892068
No, it is a strawman
>we want games to be playable even after you stop supporting them
>YOU WANT TO ENSLAVE US

>>715891707
The problem is that this argument is inherently disingenuous, nobody not even SKG is asking for a forever game. That literally isn't what the document is about. The only thing SKG wants is the abilities to run a game outside of corporation decided to kill it off. If the game still doesn't get anything more after that then fair but this is a shitposter argument "HURR YOU JUST WANT COMPANIES TO RUN GAMES FOREVER AND LOSE MONEY HUH?!?!"

I expect that reasoning from a 4chan troll. Not the CEO of a massive company (that started this whole thing mind you)

>>715892068
It's a strawman. There are plenly of examples of games getting dedicated servers or a singleplayer mode at end of life. Ubislops argument does not hold water since there are plenty of developers who do it.

>>715892121
It's not presenting the SKG argument. It's presenting a concern, which is so valid even SKG had the foresight to mention it.

>>715892212
>to mention it.
Mention what exactly?

>>715891875
This is completely correct! - They desperately try to avoid the real demands of the petition and create false arguments to distract from the core motion. Give us control of our purchase back. No service required. Fucking corpos can go die in a car fire.

>>715892274
That the movement does not seek eternal support for products. Instead of clarifying, that actually muddies the waters. Especially since companies can muddy the waters further by making sure this is addressed, because SKG doesn't want it.

>>715892447
>That the movement does not seek eternal support for products.
>but our concern is that we'll be forced to eternally support our products

>>715892545
Yes. They can use that against SKG.

>>715892627
God I hope they do.

>>715892690
That's going to be years of gridlock.

>>715892775
Years of corpos having to fund lawyers? I think I'll manage.

>>715892849
I don't think you understand how any of this works.

>>715893000
I do, ubisoft's ceo is deeply concerned about my well being.

>>715893074
Yes, so he'll make sure this debate is short and in good faith to speed along the process.

>>715893118
Can't wait to see it.

>>715884791
Server infrastructure is made up of normal pcs

>>715879180
What the matter with that? corporations have governments help them out all the time, including protecting IPs, it’s only far if the government helps customers out too.

>>715882069
No the real problem is always the investors and stakeholders.

can this also be explicitly worded to stop bullshit like games for windows live happening ever again

>>715885035
To this day im pretty sure the common opinion on this is that she was just trying to get a buck off of mcdonalds. Fucking crazy.

>>715881265
You don't HAVE TO keep it online in all cases

>>715886158
Hill it’s actually gotten to the point that the enter political spectrum hates corporations, even the normally pro-capitalist people.