Thread 715906091

I just bought Valkria Chronicles. What do I think about it?

idfk make your own opinions

>>715906091 (OP)
Nothing because you bought it but didn't play yet.

>>715906091 (OP)
You like the artstyle I guess?

>>715906091 (OP)
You think you should actually play the game.

>>715906091 (OP)
It's shit.

>>715906091 (OP)
D*rcsen get the rope

>>715906091 (OP)
You think it's a flawed gem. Some of the most unique gameplay that unfortunately was never fixed by it's sequels which focused on delving further into shonen trope garbage.

>>715906091 (OP)
Fun gameplay as long as you don't abuse the scout rush

>>715906091 (OP)
I played this to the end and remember absolutely nothing about it.

>>715907448
Why wouldn't you?

>>715906091 (OP)
Endearing art style with unique take on map based strategy design but it has weirdly brutal difficulty curve. Enemy accuracy on player movement definitely needed a nerf.

>>715907448
>the scout rush
You can't really do that until late game/replays because it takes orders. It's why the game is broken though, getting an A rank in any encounter is dependent upon completing the encounter in the least amount of turns and nothing else, so cheesing past the enemies and capturing their flag with a single scout is meta.

>le scout rushing
>I didn't patch the well-known fps bug, am I going insane?
>HAALP I'M FILTERED BY THE BIG TANK
>I picked up an anime game but hate anime and it would've been great if it didn't have any anime
>marina is my waifu
does that about cover it?

>>715907448
The Scout rush just highlights the idiocy of the overall combat system design. VC4 is a much better game than VC1 since it does away with that nonsense.

>>715907920
>I picked up an anime game but hate anime and it would've been great if it didn't have any anime
literally me

>>715907337
4 honestly tried, but then made Minerva more broken than any scout.

>>715908045
What the fuck are you doing on this website

>>715906091 (OP)
a fun, but flawed strategy RPG, great artstyle, good music, stupid characters

>>715907923
VC4 was ruined by the grenadier class, just like real world wars were ruined by indirect fire, art imitates life

>>715906091 (OP)
>check steam page
>no japanese text available
oh fuck off, what a shitty fucking company sega is, i will not be buying this shit now, i hope they go fucking bankrupt

>>715908490
That too. Pretty bullshit how hard they destroy the final boss. The idea is good on paper but I would lie to you if I said half of my strats didn't rely on just killing any annoying enemy or tank with Riley and then rush to the flag.

>>715906091 (OP)
You think real-time and turn-based elements combine into some weird Frankenstein's monster that doesn't realize the potential of either the real or turn-based elements.

>>715906091 (OP)
Protect your waifu lifes for ever anon...

>>715908490
Grenadiers are fair and balanced when I use them, and fucking bullshit when the enemy uses them. That’s just how it works.

>>715908067
Seems like a really easy fix IMO, you can tell gameplay wasn't the focus of the devs because anime fans will buy anything with cute chicks regardless of how derivative the storytelling is. I can pull three ways to fix the game out of my ass:
-Change the ranking calculation to count something other than minimum amount of turns. Make damage taken, units lost, enemies eliminated, side objectives completed, map exploration and ammo expended heavier weighted in the rank calculation.
-Put an "anti-scout" enemy in the base whose entire job is camping the base and can't be easily killed by scouts. Each base has a quartermaster with a pistol and a helmet that counters scouts.
-Make side objectives that need to be completed before the base is taken. You can't take the base unless you blew up the generator to open the gates. Can't take the base unless you climbed up the wall and eliminated the machine gun nests. If you don't eliminate the commander, taking the base makes him call in reinforcements and makes the game harder.

>>715908660
Having to scout out and clean up all enemy grenadiers at the start of every operation is such a boring chore too.

>>715909290
The third one seems like the most basic "a game should probably have more gameplay" setup possible and frankly I'm astounded they skipped it.

>>715906091 (OP)
You're excited to play it and the rest of the series right after in preparation for VC5 which is soon to be announced

>>715909309
Honestly I forgot about that.

>>715909290
Pretty much all they had to do was the first.
If you get a shit rank for scout rushing, many players won't do that even if technically it clears the map.

>>715909743

>Riley, we need you right now, get your ass out there!?
>On my way boss!
>HA, you missed this one gay faggot lurking in the bushes there!
>weeeeeeew
>*BOOM* KYAAAAAA
>OH GOD NO, RILEEEYY! MEDIC!
>Yes, well done. You were very close to A-ranking this operation on your first try HOWEVER

These moments were kind of unforgettable

Sexo
>inb4 phone gaming

>>715909710
>>715909743
Imo, the first would be the hardest to implement because it requires math and would have to be extensively tested, but it makes the most sense in universe because you have to spend money to improve units and tanks so it's not a logical leap that the game would rank you based on how much fuel/shells used, items recovered, bonus caches because it's all money. The second is totally ludo-narrative dissonance because it drops one npc in that prevents scout rushing, it's a stupid quick fix but it works and you could fix the entire problem in less than an hour. The third is more time consuming because it requires developing more game. but would probably be the most rewarding for the player because your strategy game would take more strategic play to complete. If it were up to me I would implement both 1 and 3 because 2 would come across as frustrating, every time you go to capture a flag there's a solitary unit hiding behind a corner to cramp your style just as a fuck you from the dev.

Pretty fucking amazing. Let me break it down for you
>VC1
Play first, preferably PC/Steam version. By far the best. Do NOT uncap or fuck with FPS beyond 60, it WILL fuck up the physics (enemy phase interception fire will be at twice the rate). This is just a hazard of a port of a game from the PS3 era from Japan.
>VC4
VC4 takes place at the same fucking time as AC1, from another perspective (the "Federation" you hear so much about from AC1's Kingdom of Gallia, a small country inbetween the Federation and the Empire).

>AC2
Only exists on PSP, limited because of that. Get the UNDUB version if you play it. Get the UNDUB DLC packa too. Takes place after 1/4, has more classes, but does a military academy school plot which you may hate or love depending how much you like school animu from that era
>AC3 EE (Extra Edition)
JP ONRY, never got a western release. Also on PSP. Mechanically quite interesting, different story There is a fan translation patch that covers most of the important stuff. You dont need the base game, Extra Edition is basically all the base and better. Get the DLC too.

Really I'd kill for a 3D Remake of VC2 and VC3EE, plus getting a new Valkyria title uncensored in all its glory.

>>715909290
>>715911318
Aside from fuels/shells, I think there was a mod that did this exact thing. Changed the ratings so that instead of just rushing, you could get an A by taking out every enemy, bonus for Enemy Aces etc. Its kind of annoying that the base game rewards you with
>massively powerful but horribly inaccurate
ZM_KAR weapons from taking out secret aces and named enemies, but to do so you get a worse rating.

>>715906091 (OP)
Raita is a GOD

>>715911508
>there was a mod that did this exact thing.
So all the devs would have had to do is copy/paste but we made it all the way to 4 games without them doing so. That's why this series isn't for me and I didn't play past the first. I researched the second game when it came out and it was all kawaii uguu but no gameplay improvements. I don't think what I liked most about the game, (which was the unique turned based strategy gameplay), is what the majority of fans like about it (which was the WW2 shonen anime aspect of it). Not that I don't like shonen anime, but I can go watch anime anytime I don't need to slog through a broken game to ogle anime waifus. I hope someone rips off the gameplay from this series wholesale and makes a new series because the gameplay has a lot of potential.

someone post the webm of Alicia firing the bolt action

Getting shot at drains AP, scaled against class armor ratings.
>Lancers take tink damage, but they already have low movement in the first place so who cares.
>Shocks can power through enemy fire, but just not too many times in a row.
>Scouts will get pinned and eat shit if they get caught out of position, but if you use other units to draw fire and use flank routes (you know, like a tactical game), they can still retain their map cheesing potential.

>>715912301

I just skip the story segments. For some reason I dropped the game when you have to rush to the trenches and there would be artillery fire. I didn't even play the level once, it just seemed tedious for me to do.

>>715909290
Actually good suggestions, too bad the Japs were too stupid to do any of this and VC remains a subpar series as a result. Well, that and the terrible writing. Only the fucking Japs could think lolis as nuclear bombs and power sources is tragic and dramatic, rather than laughably retarded.

>>715912241
maybe you should play the games instead of bitching online, they did change it in 4
but then you probably shouldnt play strategy games since you're clearly a retard

>>715913267
This character deserved substantially more r34

>>715915541
4 does not do nearly enough to fix the overall problems with the system, and the overpowered class just goes from Scout to Grenadier. It's still a "rush rush rush" meta because of how they built the ranking system, which really kills the games strategic depth and variety. Great concept, poor execution, that's the VC series in a nutshell.

>>715906091 (OP)
I got bored to tears playing it, cool concept awful execution.

>>715906091 (OP)
wtf I also bought both on sale. Im waiting to beat some other games before starting them

>>715908176
all the oldfags are dead, grandpa. 4chan is normie now.

>>715906091 (OP)
VC3 is the best one

>>715915254
>too bad the Japs were too stupid
More like too smart, why fix your game when people are going to buy it for tiddies regardless.
>and the terrible writing
Meh, I didn't mind the story. It's a trope laden, standard anime affair but this time it's in (not) WW2 Europe with ancient alien bloodlines who can go super saiyan. Darcsens as the (not) Jews, Empire as the Notzi's, Federation as the allies, Gallia as (not) Finland. Refreshing concept at the time and for most people it's the selling feature. I was entertained. It's serviceable when the gameplay is good but the gameplay was almost good, not good. Close but no cigar. They should have just ditched the gameplay alltogether and made it a gacha series where you spend real money to recruit more waifus and even more money to put them all in their underpants, that's the audience.

>>715916434
I only bought VC1 but the posts here make me think it's worth skipping right to 4 afterwards like you

>>715915937
have you considered the possibility that you are just shit?

Scouts aren't broken in 2 and 3 because of the smaller segmented maps. They're also not completely busted in 1 and 4 unless you specifically use orders. Still strong as fuck though thanks to all that AP.

>>715918276
If the intent of the developer was to bypass 90 percent of the game mechanics by rushing to the flag every mission. then bravo, I guess.

>>715918575
No anon, obviously you're supposed to arbitrarily handicap yourself according to the other anon's ruleset, because it's the only correct way to play the game and it would fix that.

>>715917954
>>715916434
2 and 3 are solid, but mechanically held back by their PSP platform. That means smaller, closer maps than in 1 and 4 for instance. They DO add new classes (ie there are even swordsman classes and more promotions ) with new mechanics, storywise it depends how much you enjoy the animu of its era etc but they're all worthwhile.

Sega would sell a fuckton if they remade 2 and 3 in the style of 4, added some mechanics and new content (think of it as a Yakuza Kiwami style overhaul, or Persona 5 Royal ) and released it for PC and then others. It IS okay to play 4 right after 1 given they take place at the same time during the same conflict more or less, but this is something that annoys the fuck out of me that they put a fucking 4 inthe title to begin with. They sold MANY less at launch because of this because
>Well I played VC1 on PC/Steam and it was a sleeper hit. Let me see what else...
>Oh there's just a 4? Where is 2 and 3? Eh, I'll wait for 2 and 3 or i'll be lost etc
and people fucked off who weren't hardcore fans of the genre or series. They should have just called it
>Valkyria Chronicles: On the Federation Front
and been done with it, sold a fuckload more.

>>715916498
Some of us are still here. To newfags you can either be part of the tourist cancer, or the chemo. Your choice.

>>715918770
>Some of us are still here. To newfags you can either be part of the tourist cancer, or the chemo. Your choice.

>>715906091 (OP)
It's one of the shittiest strategy games I've ever played and I can't stop replaying it.

>>715917551
>>715912241
Well, they tried to do it a bit and 4 is the best example. They also tried to fix this with the horribly received PS4 only era
>Azure Revolution
but were probably scared off how shitty that turned out. The original game was basically not "fixed" by modders until years after it came out on PC, so this was a fucking PS3 title originally and only VC4 was even vaguely released "recently" with a native PC or even current console release so while it isn't perfect, its not like they aren't working with some very old clay

>>715918876
Yes we know you're a shartyteen, you didn't need you to spray your shit around to confirm it.

>>715919124
>Yes we know you're a shartyteen, you didn't need you to spray your shit around to confirm it.
clean it up faggot

>>715917954
VC4 really should have been titled like “VC Gaiden”, “VC Extra”, “VC+” or something, because it takes place concurrently with 1 and you lose nothing by playing it right afterwards, in fact I think you are even supposed to.

>>715920472
VC3 does the same. Only VC2 takes place afterwards.

>>715906091 (OP)
Jap weeb XCOM.

>>715910626
>phone gaming

>>715920472
Or they could've just called it "Eastern Front"

>>715921628
They could've also just called it "Unrecorded Chronicles"

>>715921923
This doesn't feel like XCOM at all...

>>715906091 (OP)
there is no way the empire could have killed 6 million darcsens over the course of 4 games

>>715909290
I still think it's intentionally designed to be this way for four games now because either they are inept at wanting to code better AI or prefer pushing the player into interception fire constantly as difficulty.
Have you guys ever played these games with actually ignoring rank and doing things safely as possible? The enemy AI is not built to deal with slowly approaching them with a mass amount of units or sniping them all unless it's a boss or some scripted crap.

>>715921931
Nooooooooo, I posted “inb4” you can't answer me with that.

>>715918876
Imagine the person that made this. I'm sure it's someone quite interesting.

>>715922267
>>715922625
The Japanese market can keep the numbered titling because they actually kept getting regular releases. VC was out of public consciousness in the West for a while before 4 came out, so anyone looking at it probably went “4? Where are 2 and 3 then?”

anyone wanna play VC2 coop on emulator or whatever? I don't even know how to emulate VC2 or even multiplayer on an emulator, but I'm sure I could figure it out

>>715906091 (OP)
It is entirely lamentable that Japs can't into war drama without inserting more and more stupid shit over time. VC1 was a good game.

>>715923936
Yeah, scout rushing isn't the only problem with gameplay, but it's the most memed. I played VC on launch and replayed it once. Apart from the ranking system, the AI is also crap. Sometimes it will blow it's entire turn running back and forth from one spot to another for multiple turns. Sometimes it will use all it's control points to inch a tank forward 1 foot at a time. Hit detection for the tank is awful and I've had it glitch on me or get stuck. The controls are floaty and imprecise. Hit detection is bad and I've gotten stuck on geometry in the maps. You can beat most of the game with 2 snipers. The game has a lot of good ideas and just needed a little extra polish to make it a solid game. Flawed gem. Worth playing if you realize that it's more of a proof of concept than an actual game and never moved beyond that stage.

>>715925303
>Hit detection is bad and I've gotten stuck on geometry in the maps
I meant to write hitboxes are bad there.

>>715906091 (OP)
You tell me. I like the game, but there's way too many cutscenes compared to actual gameplay. I like the combined arms approach, using your tank as cover is a cool bit and the real time movement is neat as well

>>715908045
Same, I don't hate it here since the rest of the magitech WWI stuff is cool, but would be cooler if it was just basic cel-shaded stuff

>>715908176
I've been here complaining about weebs since 2009, I am the eternal newfag but at least I'm not an election tourist

>>715907825
Cool, please post more art like this

>>715906091 (OP)
While Welkins is not completely terrible, he is too fucking bland and honestly too much of a beta fag, Alicia is wasted on him.

>>715908045
Why are you so homosexual?

>>715927273
Whats your deal then, SomethingAwful was too expensive or you are better than normies at twitter and reddit?

>>715906091 (OP)
>What do I think about it?

These are the worst types of posts lately on this board. What kind of question is that? Why don't you play it and tell us your opinions about you fucking retard. If you wanted a Valkyrie thread you should've just said you wanted to talk about the game instead. Look at gameplay (YouTube exists now by the way) and see for yourself if it's something that's up your alley and you see yourself playing. Fuck you, you stupid no brain zoomer faggot.

>>715927273
Failed normalfags are even more sad than normalfags. You failed at being cattle, but yearn for it.

VC gacha
Would you guys want it?

>>715907448
>>715907625
Games that have gameplay jank are the best ones. Games get so fucking boring when developers iron out everything and try to account for everything.

>>715927982
Trying too hard

>>715927804
I've never used twitter, and reddit is an entirely different format

Kill all Darcens btw

>>715906091 (OP)
best anime game (no gachas dont count)

>>715927027
>but there's way too many cutscenes compared to actual gameplay.
As I play the game for the first time I feel this too. I get that they're trying to get me familarized with my troops but there's over two dozens named characters with their own encyclopedia entries. It would've been better if side character moments were kept as on-map optional dialogue like Fire Emblem does

>>715907625
They should've made it so you can only spend 3 action points on a single turn on a single unit or lessen the effectiveness of any repeat actions like any sensible developer would do in modern day to balance out a war game if someone gets to move or shoot twice as much as the other guys.

>>715922834
There’s an utterly insane statement at the end of 4 that goes something like “the Eastern Front of the war resulted in 10 million deaths”. Do u know how fucking crazy that is. Deaths, not casualties. That’s like Barbarossa, Stalingrad, Leningrad, Kursk, Bagration, and Berlin all happening within the span of like half a year (or however long the war lasted).

>>715906091 (OP)
Scout rush simulator

>>715928380
>you are baiting by telling the truth
fuck off to reddit where you belong, failed normalfag

>>715929882
(you)

Raita is powerful...

>>715906091 (OP)
>What do I think about it?
You think it's one of the best Strategic / Tactical game series you've ever played. Enjoy anon!

>>715929986
You will never be the drone normalfag you yearn to be. Man what a sad life.

>>715933060
This your last (you) until you get some better bait

>>715906091 (OP)
It's been a few years since I played it, but thinking about it, it's honestly a below average game.

this is what the Selvaria and Imperial Engineer Johann DLC should have been

>>715927982
Almost everyone here is a failed normalfag now, some of them EXTREMELY failed, mentally retarded normalfags, but almost all of them extremely generic, boring people who think the same thought lines as everyone else in their group of people.

>>715906091 (OP)
>head-shot
>the bullet protrudes by one pixel off the head
>missed

>>715918276
Faggot you need to give a constructive defense on the game abhorrent systems. Replying jn a reductive manner implies that you didn't play the games in the first place

>>715927273
>I'm totally le oldfag

>>715907825
>Alicia rush

>>715920472
Or maybe they should re-release VC 2&3 with english for 3 on other platforms.

>>715938413
>He thinks 2009 is oldfags
Grim. But yeah, when they say "you're here forever" they mean it.

>>715942697
>he's really spent 16 years batching about anime on a website based on and named after a Japanese site
That's more grim than anything.

so is the Empire meant to be anime Germans or Russians, or some sort of mix of both?

>>715906091 (OP)
You think that you should take hrt

>>715906091 (OP)
sex

>stockings
why do the japanese do this??

>>715906091 (OP)
Strategy is non-existent. Dropped it.

>>715943085
You're not wrong, but
>everything Japanese is also Anime
This is beyond retarded

>>715936495
>>715936596
based Karl

>>715907923
The combat system is fine. Immortal scouts are a map design issue as shown in the postgame skirmishes where it doesn't work, and objective rushing in general is meta in a lot of SRPGs, not just this one.

>>715949913
Obviously not, specifying as much would have been autistic as fuck. Anyway to deny that anime wasn't a big part of 4chan's foundation is to deny reality.

Why don't you guys like her?

>>715950336
>and objective rushing in general is meta in a lot of SRPGs
Horse Emblem anyone?

>>715951903
I don't like her, I love her
In all seriousness though, one of my favourites and was always on the team

>>715951903
I love her.

>>715951903
Textbook tsunderes are shit.

>>715920472
I want to move in and live the rest of my life in her butt.

>>715910626
sex with camera girl

>>715906091 (OP)
Wokeslop

>>715909290
For point 3, there actually are a fair amount of side objectives/pre-level finish objectives you need to complete if I remember correctly.

But you can field multiple scouts, so you get them done at the same time.

And point 2 is called a tank. You need orders and a few turns to kill them. Didn't help too much.

Ultimately I think scout rushing is overblown. If the level design was tweeked a tiny bit and when you get access to certain tools was changed, nobody would talk about it at all

>>715907923
It works in VC4 too...

I still goon to it