I don't understand the extreme negative reaction a lot of people had to this. Some say it ruined san's/Toriel's character for them. Why???

Sans is literally me, an underachiever who shows his true colors when cornered.
Having sex with married women is not part of that.

seeing toriel be a good hearted church going mother, acting like a drunk harlot was really eye opening

You wouldn't understand unless you were in Kris or Susie's positions.

>>715900365
>Ramb sitting in a plastic chair in a dimly lit room cradling his head in his hands
delivery

People are desperate for reasons to shit on women unironically
I'm not even saying this to admonish people for it, I think it's literally human nature. Even women do it
It happened with Yoko Ono, it happened with the girl who shit on Johnny Depp's bed

>>715913301
Yoko Ono deserved the hate.

>>715913301
>Desperate
Nigga i don't need more reasons to hate them, it's finicking depressing how horrible they are all the time.

>>715912943 (OP)
>I don't understand the extreme negative reaction
Well, you see, you've got to have this little thing called "empathy", or you wouldn't understand.

>>715912943 (OP)
when the final Deltarune chapter comes out I am going to go back and get the genocide ending in undertale so that everything is set right.

>>715913187
i've been in susie's place in that exact scenario

yeah...

>>715913602
im going to play undertale2 and slap eveyone including smoker toriel's ass

you don't need someone to explain anything when kris is visibly uncomfortable with the situation.

>>715912943 (OP)
Toriel was always bad by the way, Toby had to do this for the retards at the back who couldn't understand that.

>>715912943 (OP)
>Mom ditches son.
>Son is scared and think she's in danger, searches for her with his friends.
>Unable to find her. Walk home in the rain after dark with his friend.
>Comes home to see his mom falling over drunk and "dancing" with some literal who who was an ass to them earlier. She met Sans just 2 days ago.
>Mom doesn't ask where son was. Was not worried about him being out late. Did not even tell him she was home.
>Friend is disturbed by this. Had built up an image of a good caring mother in her head that has now been shattered. Is unable to stick around and goes home.
>Mom tells son there's food in the fridge for him.
>There isn't it
>Is forced to listen to them "dance" (have sex) when he's trying to sleep.
>His parents are divorced and he misses his dad btw.

>>715913772
this.
Asgore did nothing wrong btw.

By the way, Sand DID NOT save her from Knight, she cancelled the choir practice on her own. Sans is just a nigger in this situation.

>>715913863
Asgore is Toby's strongest soldier, so he gets all the hardest battles.

I'm going to genoslide into Kris' mom

>>715913772
>>715913863
no hold on. we didnt hear the whole story yet so its safe to assume both sides where wrong

>>715913980
I hate sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.

asgore will fix everything soon enough

>Toriel when dying man asks her not to badmouth his wife

>>715914109
When we heard the whole story in Undertale, Toriel STILL ended up as a spiteful cunt who made everything worse and got away with it via her wholesome goatmom facade which wasn't pulled back in that game. Deltarune stripped that mask away from her.

>>715914250
thats undertale. this is deltarune! rune!

>>715914109
Asgore did nothing wrong in Undertale either.

>>715912943 (OP)
A lot of people fell for the bait Toby laid out in front of them, and failed to look at the big picture. Like the fact Sans absolutely knows what's going on and is messing with Kris on purpose. Don't be surprised when we get "Song That Might Play When We Fight Sans" next Chapter.

>>715914221
Kek

>>715913301
>desperate for reasons to shit on women
its the opposite, bud. i desperately want reasons to NOT shit on them.

>>715914337
Sans dies in the good ending

>>715913839
Ritualpost of truth.

>>715912943 (OP)
I never liked Sans smartass personality but Toriel comes off very crude in Deltarune unlike in Undertale

>>715914325
>was so inefficient at his job he indirectly caused alphys making the amalgamations
>didn't even bother to properly check on the experiments either, other than sending a mug

Toriel is drunk again...

>>715914461
Toriel doesn't have much characterization at all in Undertale, people just projected what they wanted onto her in the (very) short time she's in the game.

>>715914308
Bad cope, nothing is going to make Toriel come out looking good from this.

>>715914573
>Drunk toriel asking Kris to pick up some condoms unless he wants a new baby brother or sister

>>715914628
what about this? >>715914573

>>715914573
>cellulite on fur

>>715912943 (OP)
Sans forgot his eggs

Reminder
>piano is extremely important to Kris
>looks distraught when he can't play it in front of Susie in chapter 2
>one of the first thing he does when he's free of (You) is play the piano
>bonds with Susie over the piano
>his opionion of Ralsei improves if Ralsei compliments his piano skills
And now look at his home situation
>no piano at home, not even a cheap upright none
>not even a synth keyboard anywhere in sight
>had to play it at Noelle's house or at the hospital instead
>had to learn it from the Internet instead of taking classes

>>715912943 (OP)
That scene is when it finally clicked for me that Toriel's the ringleader using Sans as plausible deniability alibi, and was partying while she knew her child and the new kid with home issues were risking their lives.

>>715914250
Never played Undertale but how did Toriel fuck up in that game?

>>715914337
>sans fights the player
>he isnt being as serious as he was in genocide
>no karma damage
>kris has the will-to-kill multiplier active
that skeleton will be nothing but bonemeal by the time we're done with him.

>>715914410
>Route where Papyrus dies.
Never good.

>>715914573
This game permanently killed my Torielboner, very sorry anon.

Astonishing how the sans/toriel ship died in a fucking instant from being made canon.

>>715913863
>Asgore knows about the war of old
>He doesn't want to lose more people like he did his own son if he starts a war by going on a killing spree to get the remaining souls like Toriel suggested
>Mt. Ebott's legend is the perfect cover as all those that ascend wind up disappearing, presumed dead and eaten by wildlife.
>Would have resulted in the fewest deaths possible rather than risking escalating things

Asgore was ALWAYS right.

>>715914834
kek i can't even look at her on e621 anymore

>>715912943 (OP)
If you've ever had something like this happen to you in real life, then you know why it was received so negatively

>>715913301
Johnny Depp and his girl were both revealed to be doing such fucked up shit to each other I unironically believe they were made for one another, they are true kindred spirits of shitfuck

>>715914792
>Implying we can kill anyone.
We couldn't even kill Berdly, dude. Sans will just dodge or end the fight earlier.

>>715914715
Speaking of that, that's why furry milfs are the best
>can't see cellulite
>can't see veins
>can't see stretch marks
>can't see wrinkles or crow's feet

>>715914337
>Like the fact Sans absolutely knows what's going on and is messing with Kris on purpose.
If that's true, he's a bigger piece of shit than he initially seems. "Befriending" his mom and getting her drunk specifically to spite Kris is something a fucking sociopath does - it doesn't matter how what Kris has done, no kid deserves to be emotionally tormented like that.

Divorce is very traumatic for teenagers if you love your parents, imagine arriving at home and danny devito is fucking your mom.

>>715914885
Fr*ns won the shipping war.

>>715914792
Asgore should be a special party member for that specific fight.

>>715914939
>Implying we can kill anyone
YET

>>715914780
Even though the game establishes that at any time Asgore would drop everything to win her back, and the monsters would listen to her as long as a human hadn't gone on a violent rampage, she decides to shut herself in the Ruins doing nothing and allowing multiple children to go off an die horribly. Then she comes back and shits on him after the last child did all the actual working making friends with everyone.

Toriel is whoring again...

>>715912943 (OP)
>the extreme negative
I've been a pro-Asgorefag for nearly a decade so watching this scene knowing I've finally gotten vindicated after all these years of saying she was a huge bitch all along felt really good

>>715914991
>gets your mom drunk and rapes her (especially according to the tumblr definition)
>tumblr/twitter kids all think it's funny
how did toby get away with it?

>>715915005
i hope he gets a redemption

>>715914939
only because kris is forcing all punches to be pulled, he even moved as fast as he could to try and save berdly (note: he might be in a fallen down state with death imminent)
if both of us want to kill somebody that guy is fucking dead.

>>715914991
>it doesn't matter how what Kris has done, no kid deserves to be emotionally tormented like that.
Sans basically already did that with Asriel (Flowey) in Undertale offscreen and everyone loved it and supported him there.

>>715914885
I love these

>>715915069
All I can imagine is Sans pulling out and cumming on Kris' face.

>>715914939
we can delete him from the game's files.
we are gods.

>>715914991
The only explanation that makes Sans not look like a piece of shit is if he knew about the church dark world and the knight, and did it to keep her away from the church by any means necessary.

>>715913069
SHE IS NOT MARRIED. SHE IS NOT MARRIED. SHE IS NOT MARRIED. SHE IS DIVORCED AND SINGLE. SHE IS NOT MARRIED.

>>715915005
>kris and asgore bonding over their shared hatred of sans

>>715915139
This is implying Ralsei or Susie would let that happen, too.

>goats
>barefoot
>with human-like toes
why is this so hot?

>>715914939
Kris clearly pulls his punches a lot of the time. Just look at what he does to Tenna if you get the Shadow mantle. If Kris wants someone dead then they are gonna fucking die

>>715915193
>cumming
Kek how? He just started fucking Toriel.

>>715915156
Because Flowey was presumably going around and instigating conflict. He wasn't a good person even if Asriel was, he deserved to get fucked with by Sans

>>715913187
people when they discover their parental figures have normal social lives.

>>715915373
sans is a one pump chump and too lazy to do anything else

>>715914754
Chapter 4 proves that we were reading the hospital scene wrong. We CAN play the piano, Kris is physically stopping us from doing so.
Kris only plays the piano when no one is watching, until Susie convinces them to in a very important scene. It's not Toriel stopping them, they just don't want to do it in front of people anymore even if they enjoy it.
Presumably this has to do with what happened during the time around Dess's disappearance, which we know almost nothing about.

>>715915373
>1 atk
>1 def
>The weakest monster
Sans is definitely a oneshot wonder

Deltarune sucks.

>>715915249
cope.
Toriel is an infidel.

>>715915375
>Working with the Knight.
>Set up Tenna to die.
>His scheme led to Undyne being kidnapped (and likely going to be sacrificed).
>Was complicit in letting his mom get kidnapped twice.
Kris is just as bad and doesn't even have the lack of empathy excuse. Playing as Kris is clouding people's judgement on him, which is why Sans is being viewed so negatively. If we played as Flowey and saw his whole life we would probably see Sans as a POS, too.

>>715915492
but they have bottled water girls

>>715915548
>>Working with the Knight.
>>Set up Tenna to die.
>>His scheme led to Undyne being kidnapped (and likely going to be sacrificed).
>>Was complicit in letting his mom get kidnapped twice.
based

>>715915265
neither of them want to kill, so they wont kill.

>>715915410
She divorced Asgore and never tries to fix their relationship even though Asgore is clearly willing to and Kris still loves him. No fucking kid likes their mom getting it on with some stranger they barely know, that shit is traumatizing

>>715915640
erm she's a strong independent woman, CHUD

>>715915087
it is pretty funny even though it traumatizes kris and susie. the player is a separate entity so i'm not meant to identify with kris. the scene is hilarious
>haha kris i'm fucking your mom and keeping you up all night
sans is such an asshole kek

Would you a knight?

It's probably going turn out that Sans knew about the dark fountain and acted to keep Toriel from going to the church.

At the same time it would turn out that Toriel had tired to do the right thing but Sans had dissuaded her, again to keep her from going to the church.

Not that this will make people completely happy with either of them but it does rationalise their actions somewhat.

>>715915548
idk he was fighting harder once susie and ralsei fell. i think he just knows hes not ready to defeat them

I (the player) have decided that everyone in Deltarune should die.
What path do I complete in the game to ensure every character dies?

>>715915410
>fucking random strangers
>"normal"
never have children

>>715915748
vore.

>>715915748
yeah the knight is a cute schizo

>>715915750
I don't even care if It jeopardizes my pacifist run, I just want to kill sans

>>715912943 (OP)
Asgorebros...

>>715915838
It's actually pregnancy. The anon also drew her giving birth but I didn't save that.

>>715915771
If that was the case, he wouldn't be stopping us from knowing their identity. Kris keeps the Knight's promise even on Snowgrave, they clearly care about her a lot, up to doing her evil schemes.

i still dont understand what sans' deal in the whole story is
does he know as much as he did in undertale?

>>715915249
She locked her kid out of their house in a rainstorm

>>715915750
>inb4 none of this happens and they just keep making PG13 jokes that imply they fucked

Reminder that Toriel waters the flowers in the trash can.

>>715915938
hmmm maybe your right. he did open the fountains. i think he just wants fun

>>715915640
>Don't know what Asgore actually did that lead to the divorce
>Standing alone in a dark room, clutching a dark crystal going "SOON THEY'LL ALL SEE..."
Yeah I'm sure he's going to be 100% absolved of wrongdoing, surely the more we learn about the incident will endear us to Asgore, good guys usually use shards of darkness to becomes super bosses

>>715915960
>Kris isn't a latchkey kid despite being a teenager in a divorced family

>>715912943 (OP)
Toriel already rubbed me the wrong way in Undertale with her empty nest syndrome in the opening and her snide remarks to Asgore in the ending.
I was not surprised by this at all.

You guys like Krusie?

>>715915915
hopefully someone else did and can post it

>>715912943 (OP)
>Entire reason that Susie and Kris do the dark world in the church is because they think Toriel is in there
>End up fighting a titan
>Once they're finally finished, Toriel is nowhere to be found
>It's late at night so they Kris and Susie decide to go home
>Toriel has been home the whole time and just decided to not tell you this at any point
>Dancing with a man who arrived in town two days ago and is drunk as fuck
>Kris and Susie are clearly uncomfortable with the situation
>Doesn't even ask where you've been
>Keeps you up at night because they're fucking too loud
I don't know how anyone could have a positive reaction to this

>>715916214
susie is a lesbian thobeiteverally

>>715916214
It alright.

>>715916256
https://files.catbox.moe/tovto6.png

>>715916214
I like this stupid trope so much
>Kris... I think you're more than a bro to me
>They've been married for two years and have a kid.

Toriel has a second job.

>making the kids listen to their mom cum her brains out
You zoomers will understand when you get a bit older

>>715916091
If she's anything like Undertale Toriel, which is clearly shown in this game, then we already know that Toriel is the one in the wrong and Asgore is completely right

>>715916145
i liked toriel in UT but i don't know how nearly everyone missed that she's genuinely mentally ill at the start of the game

>>715916091
It's not like being a boss in a Toby Fox game means you're beyond redemption. He just seems to take personal responsibility for or has strong investment in the case of Dess' disappearance, going by how he's working closely with Carol. Wanting to redeem himself and prove that the thing he's spent so much time trying to figure out is true is a noble pursuit even if the townsfolk think he's a nutter and his wife left him

>>715913180
>>715913187
>The oh so virtous woman turns out to be a whore
Any resemblance to real life is merely a coincidence.

>>715916470
now if shes a whore does she smooch with mrs.carol for free cable?

>>715916214
DINOPUSSY

Reminder, sword route's black monster has a variable named Toriel that when set to false, changes the sprite to that of a black deer and changes the white mage to a brown deer, but the black deer is not a placeholder, it has animations like it's intended to look like that.
The white mage deer is a parallel to Noelle, logically this means the black one is Dess.

Toriel has something to do with Dess's disappearance and she's hiding shit.

>>715916554
She would never wear something like this. Unless Kris really, REALLY insisted.

>>715916214
Susie's an annoying Mary Sue so no

>>715915548
Even if he's doing all that shit of his own free will (the theme of being a puppet is strong with Kris), that still does not justify the emotional turmoil of Sans invading and destabilizing Kris' life. No child, and I do mean NO child, deserves to feel unwelcome in their own damn home.

>>715916553
She hates Carol because she enables Asgore and his schizo theories (that are 100% true)

>>715916598
I'm open to other theories about this, my current one is that it's less toriel had something to do with it, but rather that asgore was on the right track to saving her, and toriel assuming he was delusional, assisted in getting him fired and screwed over asgores chance to save dess in her ignorance

>>715912943 (OP)
>toby managed to turn one of the most popular ships into one of the most hated in one scene
BRAVO TOBY

>>715916630
the universe is conspiring to make Susie into a mary sue against her will

I don't think that Toriel was ever portrayed as being a paragon of righteousness or anything.
If anything her defining traits are being overly sensitive and selfish.

She demands certain behaviors from people and feels attacked when others step out of line.

>>715916293
>susie is a lesbian
According to what fukin metric?
She shows no romantic interest in Noelle while Noelle is the thirsty masochistic bitch, Kris is a bro to her and Ralsei is a male and gets closer to Susie compared to Noelle

Reminder: Robert Fox is an ideological subversive whose work is universally praised by other ideological subversives, and tolerating his presence as a game developer marks the point gamers lost against the tide of his ilk into both the industry and hobby.
>https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=lfhseUDFI04

>>715916712
lmao i wonder if that was the intent or not

>>715916259
I really don't know why people throw the
>but we fought a Titan to save you!
into the arguments, like she would or should know about that. She had choir practice, it rained, she cancelled it and didn't bother telling her son because he was out studying and having fun with friend. Whether she came home and fucked Sans or just sat in the living room and read a book, she's not going to be worried about a harrowing adventure she's completely oblivious to.

>>715913464
wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMOABV_zgrk

>>715916728
She will end up with Noelle guaranteed

I absolutely fucking hate Sans in both games and have no idea how he was ever a popular character. He's always been a smug insufferable faggot who constantly wins due to plot armor.

>>715916741
I don't care

>>715916214
two retards being retarded together is inherently appealing even if its not my preferred ship

>>715916741
>Internet Ass-Cancer-crat
LMAO

>>715916798
Proof?

>>715916848
Toby told me so

>>715916827
he's le epic

>>715916798
No, Susie is definitely for (You)

>>715916662
the tension must be very high between them. might be the reason for the separation

>>715916214
more than i ever will noelle susie.

>Launch game
>Small window
>Select Chapter 3
>Turns into big window
>Go back to chapter select
>Still big window

Why is this game so nonesnese.
What the fuck is this shit.

>>715916841
I was recently awakened to Ralsusie, and now I don't know what to do about it.

>>715916358
A real one would put them in a marriage but they still treat each other like bros

>>715912943 (OP)
this is the first time ive spoken about this, and this is just a "no one asked" opinion, but i am a son of a divorced family,, but unlike kriss, i stayed with my dad and supported him all the way until today. ive seen what divorce does to a man, to the point that im sure my dad would have killed himself if i wasnt there with him.
seeing asgore's attempts at winning back toriel hit way too close home. and then we get an scene with here dancing around with some fucker she just met.
this is just protection on my part, but i know theres a lot of people that are like me and feel the same way, even if they dont realize it.

>>715916885
Nuh uh

>>715915951
Sans in Deltarune is almost certainly the same Sans that's in Undertale. For Sans, and probably Sans alone, Deltarune IS actually a prequel. His involvement in the story is to explain his character in Undertale.
He probably does know about the existence of multiple timelines already, but what that actually means depends on who Gaster is in Deltarune, since Gaster pretty clearly manages the saving and loading system here while in Undertale it's not under anyone's sole control.

>>715916827
>who constantly wins due to plot armor
What the fuck are you talking about? You only fight him in one route and you kill him. You don't even see him fight outside of it, either. And he jobs to Asriel like every other monster in the Underground

>Ch4 has a scene that's a rape allegory involving Noelle
>Kriselle suddenly becomes more popular with female artists
que?

>>715916728
The "Noelle is unhealthy and won't get with Susie" cope is funny because these people don't realize it's Toby's fetish
Only reason they won't get together is if one of them dies

>>715916760
There are many reasons Yoko is hated and the beatles falling apart is but a small piece of that.

>>715916840
>>715916847
This describes you: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=gTaiRHpiP2E

>>715916091
darkshard =/= shadow crystal.

>>715915410
Getting drunk with a stranger that you met two days ago inviting him into your home when he could potentially be dangerous, while your son and son's friend went through hell just to try and save you. Left you out in the rain. Completely forgot to call them or show any kind of courtesy by unlocking the door earlier. She is actually absolutely irresponsible. She's recently divorced too. Actual vile woman.

>>715916983
gg was over a decade ago let it go anon

who'd have the more retarded kids. kris and noelle or kris and susie?

>>715916983
Don't care nigga who's your favorite deltarune character?

>>715916950

>>715916091
One day you retards will realize the dark crystal is not a shadow crystal. You cannot see shadow crystals, the only way you'd know if you saw it's shadow on the ground

>>715917039
Kris and Susie's child would be a rowdy tsundere with a heart of gold.
Kris and Noelle's child would be a psychopath the likes the world hasn't seen since the roman empire.

>>715917039
Kris + Susie would have the more retarded kids because Noelle would smother her own
If you took both kids away from them at birth I think Susie's would be stupider but Noelle's would be more mentally ill

>>715917035
>gg was over a decade ago
And we lost because of people like (You), yes.
>>715917052
>who's your favorite mouthpiece for an oikophobic de(con)structivist's demoralization propaganda
No.

>>715914991
>>715915219
It would be so fucking funny if Sans reveals this shit while explaining that he knows everything about Kris's involvement with the plan, including planning to kidnap Toriel in the first place.
God, imagine the seethe if Sans manages to turn that entire scene onto Kris for putting Toriel in danger in the first place.

>>715916885
NTA but I don't think so.
Toby just can't resist his lesbian ships.

>>715917178
GYA HA HA

>>715916554
>Sans peeping on Susie
Tobert Fox would never do it, but honestly Sans trying to pull a second NTR on Kris by fucking Susie would be absolutely fucking insane.

>>715917246
This would feel like NTR for like 80% of the playerbase.
Would Toby really pull something like that?

>>715917039
>>715917117
>krusie kid
>kinda dumb, rowdy, heard of gold. swaps between extroverted and introverted regularly
>kriselle kid
>stoic psycho mastermind. do not give this child anything that could be conceivably used as a weapon.

>>715916642
Blame Toriel, not him. She's the one who's allowing all of this. All Sans is doing is hanging out with a friend while antagonizing a kid that is doing bad shit. He isn't privy to Kris's backstory, just like he wasn't for Flowey's.

>>715917178
>Damn you, Kris! Can't you see? You've become a mouthpiece for an oikophobic de(con)structivist's demoralization propaganda! You've betrayed the gamer code!

>>715917313
>>715917246
Toby does ONE LESBIAN COUPLE in undertale WHICH STARTED OFF AS A STRAIGHT COUPLE MIND YOU and now you guys go OMG!! TOBY LOVES YURI TOBY IS KING OF YURI FETISHIST

Shut up.

>>715917313
Unironic Krusiefags are retarded and Toby regularly shits on parts of the fanbase he doesn't like (see Mike) so yes, he totally would.

>>715917247
>>715917379
I accept your concession.

>>715917307
I think people would actually try to kill him if he did that lmao

>>715917313
You know, I once wrote a fanfic that got a lot of traction and a bit of a following, and the nagging idea of doing something like this simply because it would be fucking funny, was always there in the back of my mind.
I just know that a kiss between Noelle and Susei calls to Toby like a fucking demon over his shoulder.

>>715916214
Yes, also Asriel can tag along

>>715916827
He's funny, his dynamic with Papyrus is very good, he's mysterious, has one of the best fights in the game and is the only monster that never antagonizes us. He would've always been popular.

>>715917405
How was Mike shitting on the fanbase? It's a unique fight and 2 minigames that got memed into reality because it was initially just a red herring

>>715917474
This art is gross.

>>715917350
both of them should be executed for the health of the state.

>>715917405
>Toby regularly shits on parts of the fanbase he doesn't like (see Mike) so yes
I don't understand how people can look at the mike room and fight and think that Toby Fox hates his audience. It's cheeky, sure, but it's also clearly full of love and attention to detail to the fan's many theories.

>>715917405
>regularly shits on parts of the fanbase he doesn't like (see Mike)
lol? dude basically told the mikefags to turn their attention to FRIEND instead

>>715917518
no

>>715917390
Sure but once you realize Noelle is his transbien self insert and Susie is an unironic fantasy then it starts being suspect.

>>715917313
>NTR is when I want to fuck a girl but she ends up fucking someone else instead

>>715913980
sans was also shirking his responsibilities at the church, that's why the knight was just standing around like an idiot. it was waiting for someone who never showed up

>>715912943 (OP)
a lot of people in the fanbase looked at toriel with rose-tinted glasses, even though she's never been the perfect mother everyone pretends she was
this was perhaps the most blatantly obvious way to show it, but it was also the kind of scene necessary to break the illusion so many fans held on to
she's not an irredeemable person for this by any means but she's also not even slightly as competent at being a parent as the fanbase believed

>>715917405
It's funny that you think he would dislike Krusie shippers lmao

>>715916827
he's le funnie manlet who's secretly powerful and knows about the meta bullshit. same reason why jevil and spamton are popular

>>715917573
yes

>>715917203
This will absolutely happen. There's a reason "The Place Where It Rained" played right before Sans's first non-optional scene.

People think in reactionary binaries to scenes like this. The point was to show that Toriel, while doting and genuinely caring, may not be this ideal parent it makes it out to seem. Despite it being likely past 12 AM at this point, here she is, possibly drunk, dancing with a random guy in the middle of the house, not even wondering where Kris is despite it being so late and raining outside. In response to Kris and Susie coming home, soaked and probably pretty sullen, she uses a pet name for Susie, encourages Kris to dance too, and basically writes them off by saying there's pancakes in the fridge (leftover from the morning) that they can eat before bed. Then, she proceed to spend the rest of the night making jokes/blaring music with Sans, keeping Kris up.

Toriel isn't a bad person outright and this kind of thing lots of parents do. Parents aren't at their best 24/7; they're able to have bad days, days where they're letting loose, and this sucks even more since Kris comes home from one of the worst days they've had this week. The main issue is that this underlines a lot of other notable issues, like Toriel making zero comment about Kris' room being barren, how she basically doesn't ask how they are directly and instead asks Alphys, and how she doesn't seem to notice the rapid/sudden change in their behaviors.

It shows that Toriel isn't perfect, in the same way that Asgore isn't perfect. That Kris' home isn't some idealized place like Susie initially thought. But, again, Toriel isn't a bad person. She's flawed, but still cares and tries.

People don't seem to understand that someone can be flawed and not a bad person. They saw this moment and either laughed it off, or branded Toriel as a monster. When it's more that she's just neglectful at times and likely doesn't understand how to actually be there for Kris other than dragging them to church, making them food, and hoping things get better. Which, that's a lot of parents.

Kris raped Noelle he has no right to complain about what Toriel does

>>715912943 (OP)
>Kris is already not in the best of places mentally
>Had a rough couple of adventures, unlike the previous 2 that were leaning more towards on the fun side. Even worse for him if it's the weird route
>For any kid, especially those that have some issues, the home is a place for comfort. For peace and quiet. Or at least what they'd want it to be
>Kid goes home expecting that but instead it's loud and noisy, someone who's more or less a stranger is there(which is an issue on its own for introverts) so overall that place of comfort is disturbed, especially since that stranger seems to be a fuckin prick you can't trust
>His mother is drunk as shit, so basically a different person so she's unreliable unlike the usual normal days
>If it wasn't bad enough friend whom he hoped to have a relaxing sleepover with leaves cause it's too awkward
>Try to sleep but can't cause it's too noisy, hell maybe there's even a shitty smell of alcohol in the air making it even worse
You'd understand it best if you were in a similar position.
People like to excuse Toriel with bullshit like "UM WOMEN CAN'T LIVE THEIR LIVES YOU HATE WOMEN" but they don't understand there's a time and a place for everything. She could've went to Sans' after making sure Kris is safe and has a meal prepped. Or just did that another time. It's not an excuse for being an ass towards those around you.
Was it all intended from Toby, fuck knows but that's the result either way.

>>715917647
There needs to be an opponent for his cheesy romcom love triangle.

>>715917721
the doe was askin' for it

how would asriel react to susie?

>>715917593
NOELLE IS ANDREW HUSSIE

>>715917421
>I-I aceept your concess-ACK!

>>715917721
This happens even on a normal route.
Also, Kris doesn't do that, You do.

>>715917609
See you're joking but this is actually a subset of NTR (it's called BSS or something like that, basically shorthand for a Japanese phrase that means "But I saw her first!")

>>715917405
>Toby regularly shits on parts of the fanbase he doesn't like
no he doesn't
>see Mike
not remotely what happens in that scene

>>715917039
Kris and Noelle would be autismo final form but would become Hometown's top-tier gamer kid. Kris and Susie would barely know basic math, much less algebra, but can do a piano recital in his sleep.

>>715917690
You can't expect people in these threads to observe something rationally instead of creating a hyperbolic image of it based on existing neurosis that justifies whatever negative perception of the game / its creator they have

>>715916916
its lore

>>715917721
The only thing this asshole gets for MY rape efforts is that he was the fleshbag I used

As a gamer and game theorist I was very offended by the mike pippin.

>>715917532
>but it's also clearly full of love and attention to detail to the fan's many theories.
That's one way of looking at it.

>>715917721
(YOU) raped noelle. big difference

>>715917803
Then why did Mike call me an uppity retard and tell me to kill myself before erasing my save data? The Annoying Dog even flew in and said "everything Mike just said is 100% canon". If that isn't shitting on the fanbase what is it

>>715916214
of course

>>715917756
He would fistbump Kris

>>715917780
Yes, the gaming hobby has been, in the words of Yuri Bezmenov, "Normalized." In other words, Conquest's Law proves true even in groups without necessarily strict organization.

>>715917405
tobyfags malding over this bait

>>715917678
One of the biggest things I've been looking forward to in Deltarune was seeing when Sans and Papyrus were going to drop into the plot. Apart from all the hints connecting Sans to Deltarune everyone knows, I found it interesting how Sans and Papyrus were the only two bosses to fight you in a horizontal battleground instead of a vertical one, like they're bosses from Deltarune instead of Undertale. I can't wait for the shit he and Papyrus are going to pull in Chapter 5.

>>715917690
It triggered a lot of people's neglectful drunk parent PTSD mine included lol
I don't think Toby's upbringing was like this so it may have been unintentional, but it definitely worked

>>715917984
You lost the culture war, anon. /v/ loves Deltarune and always has.

>>715917690
>People don't seem to understand that someone can be flawed and not a bad person.
The same shit happened with Kris because of the Shadow Mantle stuff

>>715915960
Kris could have knocked

>>715916720
The fuck you mean against her will, she's gotten everything she wants so far. Everything's coming up Susie.

>>715917405
The Mike Squad are based (Toby casually making a new trio infinitely better than the music robots) and have two of the best themes in the game.

>>715917690
I'm not saying that Toriel is evil, just that I never liked her, that's all.
She is a bad parent, because she lives inside her own idealized world and is very ignorant to the needs and wishes of others. She acts like that wise and caring mother to feel good about herself, but she doesn't actually care all that much about other people.
Which is why she gets along with someone who doesn't care about anything and just lets her "let loose" like Sans, more than someone who is always looking out for the well being of others in detriment to himself like Asgore.

ngl toby kinda a fuckin creep for trying to normalize homosexuality and polyamory to kids

>>715918023
the matter of papyrus is a very interesting one
if you check the skeletons' house after going to noelle's, kris sees a perfectly normal sink in the kitchen
meaning that if papyrus is in that house, he's likely a very different person from how we know him

>>715917930
>>715917784
I didn't tell him to do that

>>715918123
>You lost the culture war
I know, humanity lost to oikophobic genocide-suicide four years ago. Keep rubbing it in.

>>715917917
That's the way anyone without a victim complex sees it. You can't seriously see what's basically Toby telling people that while Mike wasn't important, FRIEND is going to be and is effectively "Mike", and take it as a hate letter from Toby telling every single player that they're suckers or something. I'm genuinely curious about why you interpret it in such a negative light because it seems impossible to perceive it that way unless you're being purposely disingenuous

>>715917756
>Asriel "Chara the school shooter is my best friend" Dreemurr
>being upset with the idea of Kris being friends with Susie
Asriel would respect kris for his taste in women

As a gamer and a game theorist I was very pleased with Modern mouth Mike

>>715917824
Yeah, again, some people just see things in binary black and white. A character is bad or good, mean or nice, that's it.

Toriel is a good mom in the sense that she performs her responsibilities, makes sure there's food in the house, that Kris has a bed, hell, she even read up on how to care for humans. But she's also a divorced mother with one kid out the door. She's puts on this perfect persona so much that, after meeting Sans, she probably wanted a night to let loose. Tell some dumb jokes, dance, and forget for a second about obnoxious ex-husbands, grading papers, and the fact that her one kid is a bit of a troublemaker she always has to monitor. And that just so happened on the day Kris comes home in the dead of night, sullen and soaked.

Toriel tries, but only really does the surface level stuff. She doesn't actually make an effort to engage with Kris, maybe because she doesn't know how to go about it. So she just does everything else to the best of her ability, hoping it works out.

She's not perfect and, I would argue, not trying where it matters. But she's not evil or some awful floozy people make her out to be. She's just a parent that screwed up and needs to actually see what's happening to her kid. There's more to parenting than making sure your kid is fed, goes to school, and attends church.

>>715917984
You sound like a friendless schizo. You should play undertale and deltarune, they are fun games about how befriending others is fun and good for you. You should try them.