Thread 715982197

It doesn't look bad.

True, it looks awful.

now post the women and dialogue
he looks like a hardcore fag btw

>>715982197 (OP)
yeah it doesn't, people are overreacting imo
its probably gonna be an ok vampire game, but it doesn't have that sleaze horror urban feel to it that the original Bloodlines reeks with, which is the most peoples problem with it (at least on v)

Now let's see Paul Allen's female character...

>>715982197 (OP)
I will pirate it and enjoy shitposting.
Not having any hope is great.

>>715982197 (OP)
Probably the best vampire game we've gotten in a decade. Probably the worst Bloodlines game we have ever gotten.

>>715982197 (OP)
why does every game have this goddamn ui now

>>715984615
Because the little golems making them come from one "game design" academy.
Free thinkers are too dangerous.

>>715982197 (OP)
Instead of repeating the same 5 hairstyles but with different colors why not have the five and offer a color selection over the same one style?

>>715984615
Industry standard. Going for lowest common denominator for inclusiveness. Wouldn't want to discriminate colorblind and vision impaired players. Not to mention using clear letters to allow the alphabetically challenged to decipher the writing.

>>715983704
>it releases in a few months
KEK
LMAO
LOL

I need this out. Good or bad. I just need the closure.

>>715985271
Set for October.

>>715985271
they will push this turd out the door this time, they can't afford any more delays.

>>715982197 (OP)
>look at top two thirds of pic
>lol this looks like garbage
>realization hits
>plsno
>it's indeed Bloodlines 2
it's over

>>715982197 (OP)
They should use the male for all the promotional material, the female is too woke coded, it will drive everyone away.

>>715982197 (OP)
dogshit

They should've just called it something other than Bloodlines and instead hire Teyon to make the actual Bloodlines 2

Jinda sad Bloodhunt had no offline/private server mode. Would have tried it otherwise.

>>715982197 (OP)
Anyone who fancies this slop is either a shill or tourist.

>>715986295
That would have actually taken all the pressure out of the project and allowed it to be judged on its own merits (or failures). However calling it Bloodlines 2 makes it commercially much more effective marketing-wise. It might not seem like it but Bloodlines 2 is the 15th most wishlisted game on Steam right now.

>>715982197 (OP)
this UI reminds me of veilguard

>>715986459
The city is really cool in that game
>>715986520
>

>>715986264
>Masquerade violation

>>715986264
More people identify as Jedi and druids. There are crazies everywhere.

>>715986636
anon that UI has been used for every major game in the past 10 years.

>>715986825
On the contrary

>>715986459
It was quite fun. Movement was fun and Praha was absolutely kino for a VtM game.

>>715982197 (OP)
>menu faces all black
lol

>>715982197 (OP)
Frankly I've seen the default face for MC they're using in their promotion shit and that has 99.95% convinced me that nobody who would ever make those aesthetic choices would at the same time be able to make a cool game. This is nigh-on guaranteed going to be gay & lame.

>>715986264
I wish there were still many goth girl larpers who do things like that
Sadly they are dwindling in numbers.

>>715986650
Haven't played, but from purely easthetic standpoind, I agree.
Wont let me post my webm for some reason.

Anyway, one thing they've show from B2 so far that I do like is the winter street aesthetic. I definitely feel like roaming that space.

>>715986459
>>715986932
such a shame that game is what it is. someone should re-purposes those assets.

>>715982465
>he looks like a hardcore fag
The perfect self-insert for the average /v/irgin then.
And on a more serious note, still better than yet another grumpy buzzcut meathead.

>>715982197 (OP)
Not an ounce of soul

They showed like a small bit of exploring Seattle a few months ago and I thought it looked okay.
I'm not expecting it to live up to the original but if it's even a half decent RPG then I'll be happy.
Kind of like Deus Ex to Deus Ex Human Revolution.

>>715987029
>Anyway, one thing they've show from B2 so far that I do like is the winter street aesthetic.
I personally like how vertical it is, climbing on top of buildings and stuff

Does anyone have a pasta detailing all the events that led to the creation and failure of Bloodlines 2? It's about time.

>>715986998
>nobody who would ever make those aesthetic choices would at the same time be able to make a cool game
That's always a great tell
The issue goes beyond wokeness itself, someone who sees that as aestethically pleasing is too fucked up to make anything a normal human could appreciate

>>715987029
I agree snowy Seattle looks visually nice. However it also looked good in the HardsuitLabs version. I'm more worried about the depth of the hub. I hope it has cool POI and side missions.

>>715987273
looks like cybershite, not in a good way

>>715982197 (OP)
>menu tabs at the top, scroll through them with the shoulder buttons
i have an irrational hatred for this kind of menu design

>>715987273
The npc's AI was kinda dogshit in that showcase, very immersion-breaking. Hope they fix that for launch.

>>715987313
One thing I'm a bit wary of is the idea that the upper echelon is basicallyyour free playground/get-to-safety space. Granted, at least one community talk hinted at things not being thta simple, so hopefully it's a famse sense of security from those vids.
But, traversal in general, and verticality in particular look like they could be enjoyable, regardless of the rest.

>>715987515
What is your favourite menu UI anon?

>>715987515
It's basically the default menu at this point.
It's what they learn in school I guess.

>>715985443
Of what year?

>>715987695
Someone uploaded a webm once and it seemed alright. Lots of pipe climbing, jumping, etc.

>>715982197 (OP)
First trailer they released actually had me kinda bought in at the time, but that second one with all the dialogue and the time-travelling guy ruined it for me. They just don't get it at all.

>>715987840
This year

>>715982197 (OP)
>those haircuts
You know, if Veilguard did one thing right, it's the damn hair options.
There is no proper short haircuts if you want to play a dude. There aren't even good long hair options for dudes if you prefer it that way, and it's even worse if you want to play a chick because, what the fuck are those?

>>715982197 (OP)
I'll play it, but only to make myself angry.

>>715987929
Or was it last? Or was it two years ago? This game is never coming out. Stalker 3 will come out before bloodlines 2

>>715987695
>and verticality in particular look like they could be enjoyable, regardless of the rest.
Yeah that's what I was saying, I'll probably have some fun with throwing people off buildings, or possessing them and jumping off, wonder if I can do something like
>cluster of enemies in street level
>possess an enemy, jump off
>end possession, use blood boil on him while he's falling
>he fucking explodes as he hits the ground, taking out everyone

>>715985271
>>715985443
>>715987840
>>715987929
I'd gear up for another delay. 3 months out and they haven't even started marketing it proper yet. It's still just random devlogs.
They'll probably drop that shit in January to avoid any competition.

>>715987965
>You know, if Veilguard did one thing right, it's the damn hair options.
Because they literally had an outsourced group doing hair physics implementation.

I don't mean to trigger anyone but why has the lgbti mob infiltrated WoD so thoroughly? They are completely changing the goth aesthetics and humor and I hate it. Just look at the playable characters of VtMb and these.

>>715988127
white wolf in general has always been left leaning liberal, you never played the actual game, youre a bloodlines only player, and that's ok

>>715988046
I'm honestly okay with more delays. However The Chinese Room just fired a bunch of devs so I wouldn't expect another delay. They are going to launch it in whatever state it is methinks. Hopefully I'm wrong.

>>715988127
It's because they replaced the goth subculture from 2003 with the LGTBQ subculture from 2018.
VTMB is a game defined by the early 2000s and trying to modernize it is just fucking stupid.

>>715988127
As someone who played Vampire: the Masquerade with my anime club in fucking high school in 2001, I can safely tell you that WoD was like Patient Zero for woke shit. It was already a woke mess and the people playing it were proto-blue hairs even in those days.

>>715988271
I don't know why they fired anyone considering Still Wakes the Deep was apparently an unexpected hit for them. The quality of Still Wakes the Deep is basically the only reason I have a slight amount of hope for VTMB2.

>>715988018
you know I wasn't gonna go near this game but now I might do this too.

>>715986264
Just beat the shit out of them and ask where their vampire strength is

>>715988230
>>715988327
I see. So there's no hope for this IP then?

>>715988465
There's no hope for you, more like

>>715988465
it was so bad they got nuked and the IP taken away from them.

>>715988407
>The quality of Still Wakes the Deep is basically the only reason I have a slight amount of hope for VTMB2.
I thought it was a glorified walking simulator disguised as a horror game. Am I wrong?

>>715987447
Obviously, we dont know what happened behind closed doors, but I always thought there was too much of an over-reaction to the Hardsuit reveal.

>>715988046
I don't think, ESRB rating is done, they've stopped with dev diaries (probably for the better, I have no hatred for those people, and the negative reaction certainly took a - deserved, but still - hit on them. Was painful to watch, at times.
https://www.esrb.org/ratings/40336/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/
> The game contains suggestive/sexual material in the dialogue (e.g., "snacking on wh*res,"; “p*ssy musta...real sweet”; and “D*ldo of consequence don't come lubed, does it?”). The word “f**k” is heard in the game.
Probably waiting for gamescom to start drumming it up toward release.

>>715988465
If you can't stand that, yeah. I don't blame you.

But even in 2001, I remember thinking "what's with all the fag shit" and "boy, there are a lot of fags and fat women who like this TTRPG, that's odd".
These undesirable fat hambeasts were kind of the instigators of everything that you now hate.

>>715988685
I hope when VtMB2 releases Brian Mitsoda fucking comes out and explains what the fuck happened there

>>715988623
It has fail states so it's not exactly a walking sim. It's basically an Amnesia clone.
But yeah it's not revolutionary. It's just solid for what it is.

>>715988685
The Hardsuit version looked pretty jank but to me it felt more like VTMB than the current version.

>>715988937
hard disagree

>>715988623
it is. but the presentation was good.

>>715988809
Fair enough

>>715988623
I heard someone describe it as "Yellow Paint: The Game", and while a bit harsh, I wouldn't say it's undeserved.
The one good thing the game had was presentation though. Hopefully B2 gets at least that too.

>>715988230
>>715988465
>white wolf in general has always been left leaning liberal,
They literally got shut down by saying gays in some Russian shithole were getting murked by retard Muslims Vampire machinations to serve as a distraction from their vampire schemes.

How is that left-leaning and liberal, you dumb nogs?

>>715987695
>>715987847
>>715988038
This I assume, though it's just a greybox it does showcase the traversal potential well and what the devs aim for.

>>715989461
don't reply to me again tard

>>715988465
Yes

>>715989487
I kind of wonder if the city will even be large enough to warrant this sophisticated of a parkour system...
Hmm

>>715987623
That, aloing with the implemented feeding mechanics from V5 to learn out-of-clan discilines, could really make or break the game, I think.
A decently /fun/ even if it's kinda ridiculous and/or broken implementation could do wonders for the in-between more scripted events free time.
Kinda nice that you get Auspex 2 as par of you base power package.

>>715982197 (OP)
I'm glad I refunded forever ago, I'm surprised they didn't just drop it. Game looks like bare bones as fuck with combat being heavily scripted and animation locked. The NPC's/AI we've been shown is horrendous and barely functioning, AI trying to run away will proceed to just stand there instead or run in circles, coming back to the place they were initially scared away from.

>>715982197 (OP)
Do yo HAVE to play as a pathetic HIV homo or are there some normal looking choices too?

>>715988127
The books have just been getting worse since first iteration, they continuously step up on the warnings in every release including straight up telling other ideologies not to touch their product.(lol)

The only interesting thing about this game is that I can't imagine how bad it is. Like the scope of how shit it will be is unimaginable.

>>715989948
>lust
>fear
>anger
I kinda want more emotions

>>715989642
I don't know, this is supposed to be the map of the game. I find it hard to gat a proper feeling of the scale from it. Especially given the verticality (while I'm at it, I do hope the gmae has its share of underground stuff too... though yeah, need to check on real Seattle sewer system, I guess).

>>715990719
Fuck, did they cut the docks?
Having a free ferris wheel asset just wasted would be so sad...

>>715982197 (OP)
Why does every modern game have the same UI?

>>715990928
a bunch of UI designers circlejerking each other while they all make the same fucking UI and shit talking anything with any originality or artistic flair

>>715990826
Don't quote me on this, but I seem to remember there being mission-based, out-of-map zones.
Hopefully this is one of them, I would be sad to see the wheel go too.
Especially given the traversal.

blud has that million cock stare

>>715983704
>that hand
COWABUNGA, DUDE

>>715987379
Glacier Hotel is visible in this image, and you can see it on the map here >>715990719
Same goes for Hole in the Wall which is in Chinatown which we've seen in one of the gameplay vids. This is likely the full map.

>>715988464
kill them and ask why they aren't immortal to boot

>>715982197 (OP)
I'm playing VTMB for the first time right now, and I strongly doubt 2 could ever be this good, even without the troubled development. Quite frankly I don't think they should be calling it Bloodlines 2. I'm really enjoying it, just finished the Giovani Mansion quest. The atmosphere and ambience are brilliant.

Also, could you post some VTMB shitposts for me?

Please don't tell me you faggots are actually excited for this trash

>>715988127
WoD was always faggy.
But like, 2000s counterculture liberal faggotry is miles away from modern, enforced woke faggotry
Besides the degree, things used to gay in a way you sorta accepted as a genuine friendly "we're all the same" shit. It wasn't "HECKING HETERONORMATIVITY IS BAD"

>>715991328
What the fuck are those video settings?

>>715991395
He's probably just used to high FOV
>dude who used to play 110 for FPS games

>>715991328
Hell yeah, glad you're enjoying it! I remember my first playthrough, I was immediately drawn in by the atmosphere, music, everything...

>>715991361
I'm. I can't wait for the memes.
>So bad it's good
I hope it will be one of those

>>715990719
Can't wait for the whole thing to take place on that map. If you don't do any side quests (if there even are any) you can probably finish the game in an hour.

>>715991361
Personally, I just want to get it over with. It's been 20+ years of endless teasers, previews, devblogs, insiders and all that shit.
Either (most likely) it will be forgettable garbage, I will just go back to playing and discussing VTMB.
Or (extremely unlikely) it will be janky but good, which means the IP has a future.
I'm just tired of the development hell, constant cockteasing, the license changing hands and "it will be good"/"it will be bad" shitflinging.

>>715991361
Excited, no. Hoping to at least get a decent few evenings of entertainement out of it? Definitely, against my better judgment.

>>715990719
That's not too bad honestly assuming there are mission specific areas too. The first game is probably a quarter of that size if you were to combine all the hubs.

>>715991776
That's 20 years ago though.....

>>715982434
Bazinga!

>>715992037
Modern open world games have taught me that I would rather a smaller hub that had a lot of love and attention put into it over a large open world.
Prague in Mankind Divided comes to mind. Such a great hub.

>>715982197 (OP)
Source facial animations and lip sync completely obliterate UE5 + Metahuman and it's not even close.

>>715990719
As always with maps it's a matter of density and quality of content, not size.

>>715991705
>I will just go back to playing and discussing VTMB
THIS. I need the cycle of slop to be over.

>>715982465
Lots of the male vampires in the first game looked like fags too. Its a pretty old trope.

>>715982197 (OP)
Ugly female characters with short hair

>>715992221
>>715992351
This is TCR though.

>>715992351
Can be both, I'd say the real test is adequation to gameplay mechanics.

>>715992347
>obliterate
In what sense. They are definitely more emotive and one might say, charismatic. But if you are gunning for realism then Metahumans is quite alright. Check the cinematics for Eriksholm (a recent UE5 game). You have to admit they look good.

>>715992561
They're TCR only in name

It's UNREAL how bad epic is at making engines.
Even worse than they are at making online storefronts.

>>715992740
We got a Jokester in the thread fellas

can you play as a lasombra
also since whitewolf owns vtm again and not paradox, are they rolling back the v5 changes at least to disciplines?

>>715992834
No. Maybe in the one clan DLC they'll release.

>>715992481
Then pick long hair in the character creation screen.

>>715982197 (OP)
Looks woke.

>>715992834
>can you play as a lasombra
No. For some idiotic reason, WW insists on inserting Lasombra characters into plotlines but making a Lasombra PC unavailable. The only VTM game where you can play a Lasombra is the Parliament of Knives, and it only amounts to some extra dialogue, iirc.
>rolling back the v5 changes at least to disciplines
No. Sadly the V5 gayness is here to stay.

>>715992834
You have to play my potato wife's game for Lasombra

>>715992834
>also since whitewolf owns vtm again and not paradox
Hold up, Paradox isn't involved with this anymore?

>>715982434
fpbp

>>715993037
They are, but it's their last rodeo. The development of this game literally traumatized them.

Why is every video game series I like being raped to death, just why.

>>715992834
Part of me can't help but fear that serious Lasombra play would need the omplementation of solid light/shadow mmecanics thata re beyond the scope of any one clan in a game offering to play several.

>>715982197 (OP)
but can you create a face that looks like it belongs to someone heterosexual?

>>715993207
I wonder how the Chinese Room have repurposed her, given that they reuse all the HSL character models but adjust them.

>>715993000
Parliament of Knives changes quite a bit. Three separate ending states depending on if you work with Basaris, Eden, or fly under the radar. Also much better Luca romance.
Not quite as good as the Malkavian PC, but still good.

>>715993139
>wod game traumatized paradox
Good.
>They are, but it's their last rodeo.
Well, better than nothing.

>>715993291
she's supposed to be the nerdy Tremere scientist, Safia Ulusoy I think? They both have Turkish names

>>715993239
I mean, you can't.
Probably others can

>>715993291
>given that they reuse all the HSL character models
As this been confirmed?
My understanding was that SOME of the designs/data was repurposed. Not all of it.

>>715982465
He's a vampire, of course he looks like a fag. Kain is (deified) the only vampire that looks cool.

>>715993413
Really, because I don't recognize any features.
Take Viktor Goga from HSL. He was a Tremere head honcho, but now he's Benny, sheriff and Brujah instead.

>>715993239
No, all vampires are gay.
Imagine having to suck off some dude's gains in order to survive. Doesn't get gayer than that.

>>715993494
>>715993413
>>715993470
Wrong image. Here's the one I wanted to use.

>>715982197 (OP)
there it is, that disgusting UI

>>715993494
>Really, because I don't recognize any features.
I was just making assumptions based on their names

>>715993207
Especially considering that V5 STs can't seem to decide how the goddamn arms work.

>>715986264
The question is, how many among them are attractive women who are younger than 40 and aren't fat?

Vampire's are no longer cool, edgy or sexy.
They're all just sad, pozzed milquetoasty California sőyboys and dangerhair homo dykes who care about ridiculous shit like human fag pride. It's so fucked up and sad.

>>715993314
What, did they polish it or add some content? When I finished it years ago, it was quite linear and raw.

>>715992909
They're still ugly and you spend more time looking at the ugly short haired NPCs, it's woke trash

>>715993842
>Vampires are no longer cool, edgy, or sexy
So they're the same as always then?

>>715990719
>1 haven
The fuck

>>715993828
The problem is that the arms of ahriman went from being ridiculously OP, bordering on broken, in previous editions to being a mild inconvenience in V5.
It's difficult for us DMs to find a proper balance.

>>715994095
Same as the one we saw in the initial VtMB2 gameplay showcase too, I imagine. By Pioneer Square.

why are there so many autistic rules when it comes to turning people into vampires? like the french faggot from the first game almost got you killed for no reason
what if a super old vampire turns you into a vampire and then tells the french guy to fuck off?

>>715994234
>why are there so many autistic rules when it comes to turning people into vampires?
think vtm vampires and Camarilla in general as la cosa nostra
there are many rules and requirements before you get made

>>715993291
I don’t think that’s confirmed that all are being reused. If that’s the case where’s this guy the malkavian hunter?

Oh god, it all makes sense now. HE’S Fabien the fucking malk voice in your head kek.

>>715994470
That would be my guess too.

>>715982197 (OP)
>no long hair
I fucking hate this trope even though ima tomboyfag

Being a vampire must suck

>quirky faggot in your head commenting on everything
Yeah, tired of this trope. Dead game.

>>715994578
Long hair was haram in 1600s Constantinople

>>715982197 (OP)
i really hope that song from the night club is still in, it's really nice and as far as i can tell it was made for the game

>>715994234
Does happen, obviously. Just not in Bloodlines.
As for you other question: population control. Keeping the Masquerade going demands keeping vampire population within scale of what the local, hidden vampire institutions can withstand.
Conversely, vampiric soeciety treats reproduction similarly to the way that producerist (and the later capitalistic built on top) models use control of the access to sex as a way to sublimate sexual frustration into productivity.

>>715982197 (OP)
>we want the Astarion audience

>>715994735
I just hope dancing is still in, something I sincerely doubt.

>>715982197 (OP)
What happened to phyre? Suddenly there's a cc, lol.

>>715994836
elders dont dance whelp

>>715984001
It's a 1st person rpg, what do you expect? Was 15 years in development hell and had like 5 developers so far.

>>715987097
That's a v, isn't it?

>>715993664
I don't understand why we can't have thematically stylized UIs anymore.
Almost feels like what happened to architecture.

>>715994849
They never said there won't be a CC?

>>715995015
They did, phyre was the only main. They said almost 10 years ago that there won't be any male protag, just women and trans. Trans in vtmb does fit, so Idc.

>>715994234
Caine's cursed to watch his children kill and betray each other to parallel him and Abel. Every new generation wants the powers of the elders', and every elder inevitably wants to kill every other elder. Add on to that that each successive generation is weaker than the last, and you get plenty of paranoia about the blood powers running dry.
>Caine, though powerful you are, and marked of God, know you this: that any Childe you make will
bear your curse, that any of your Progeny will forever walk in the Land of Nod, and fear flame and sun, drinking blood only and eating ashes only.
>And since they will carry their father's jealous seed, they will forever plot and fight amongst themselves. Doom not those of Adam's grandchildren who seek to walk in righteousness. Caine!
>Stay your dread Embrace!

>>715995015
Back in the earliest reveal with fem phyre all they said was that you can customize hair and clothes.

>>715995102
Stop shitposting retard.
>>715995162
Well yeah, that's still customization. Of course you won't change the face, but you can change the gender, hair color, style, eye color and other small tidbits.

>>715986264
>>715988464
>>715991287
Bring out the famethrower and ask them about their fire resistance

>>715995280
eye color too?

>>715994679
Imagine having a redditor inside your head

>>715995010
when you make something different there is a chance people won't like it
better to go with the safe and generic design that everyone thinks is serviceable

>>715995514
Truly we live in a World of Darkness™
>>715995328
I might be reaching, but all the old clan reveal promo images had the main character with different eye colors.

>>715991395
High FOV. It's a source game so you can just type "fov X" to change it. I know it's not the type of game that needs it but I like having the peripheral vision.
>>715991486
Yeah this.

>>715991516
I'm playing Brujah, with some points into lockpicking and guns. The time slowing ability and guns is great fun.

>Phyre
It still galls me how the writers can look at this tranny prostitute name every day and not one of them says "Guys, how about we change the protag's name, it's fucking gay".

>>715995737
>it's fucking gay
that's why they picked the name, anon

>>715995683
Chinatown my beloved

>>715995737
I don't think that's the characters given name. It's a nickname of sorts a la Nomad

>>715996000
Why is Phyre a fucking nickname. That's not a nickname. V is a nickname. Nomad is a nickname.
Nice trips btw.

>>715996000
Nomad is a cool nickname. When I hear "Phyre", I imagine a crackhead single mother choosing her nickname at a strip club.

I AM sad that we're missing the Nos player character.

>>715996072
>>715996101
Beats me. They still call you Nomad too.
>Nice trips
Th-thanks

>>715994183
It's playable enough with Grappling and Relentless grasp; but only if the ST decides it's resisted by RES/WIT, not STR/DEX.
No one I play with can seem to agree.

>>715996157
Nossies will be trans and gay adjacent paid DLC and malkavians will be banned because it's le heckin downplayin le mental health

>>715996289
My guess is Toreador and Lasombra.

>>715982465
>are the wamyns sexy
>are the mans muscular hulks
Coomers are cancer.

>>715996289
>malkavians will be banned because it's le heckin downplayin le mental health
Which is hilarious. If the devs knew anything about the lore and fluff, they'd realize that Malks can represent a full spectrum of mental disorders, from harmless OCD to destructive derangements. Ironically, Malks and the way they are open for roleplay are probably the best mental illness representation in any art medium ever.
Even Leysha in fucking Swansong was brilliantly done.

>>715996452
You've been shilling your game all day but I added it to my wishlist.

>>715987447

>line compass

looks so generic

Will the new game be able to live up to /that/ part?

>>715996730
That's from the cancelled version from 2019

>>715996751
Why the hell do my webm keep being blocked?

>>715996751
Ocean House Hotel? nu/v/ would shit on it for being a walking sim

>>715996751
I can't imagine this game being anything other than a giant sewer level, but this time with a voice in your head telling you how much it stinks.

>>715996952
It is both a literal and metaphorical haunted house. You go through it once, it's great, and then going through it again is meaningless.

>>715996952
Leaked gameplay from HSL showed a level inspired by it and it looked dreadfully boring.

>>715982197 (OP)
Wasn't this supposed to come out this year?

You guys tried Omri Koresh's texture overhaul mod? The same guy that did McGee's Alice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-WR20T-LJA

>>715997082
Worth it for this alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jgzpgHlSjU

>>715997169
Waiting for this instead.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-rtx-remaster

>>715997169
>censored and changed outfits
Into the trash it goes.

>>715997092
I couldn't imagine the Hotel looking anything but boring if you're not the one playing.
We will see if they manage to make something passable, even tho at this point it would take a miracle.

>>715997208
isnt that an unofficial patch addon?

>>715997169
EEEWW!!!!!

>>715984615
>very easy to make
>you can probably get the template online free
>no artistic vision/direction needed
>literally the cheapest RPG UI
anything else is a lie.
>le indians
they're paid with these expectations in mind

>>715984615
Consoleturds, ugh

>>715997169
Holy fuck this looks bad.

>>715997169
Looks like shit.

>>715997447
$72 Canadian dollars (approximately $4.99 USD) for your entire game UI?
Now that's a deal.

>>715983704
>AI
Can I do mine?

>>715997338
I've been following the dude's progress on Twitter. Looks amazing. I pray he gives the rest of the game the same treatment.

>>715997782
>Pajeet
>Shadman
>72$ + fees
Do these people really get clients?

>>715997169
Ahahahahah
What the fuck is this shit

>>715998035
Now that's a realistic stripper

>>715997338
Looks awesome

>>715996452
it's more like
>do the women look like women
>do the men look like men
>is the narrative not pozzed
answer is obviously "no" to all 3 of these. fuck your game fag.

>>715995010
the actual reason is uis like that are actual image files, so the bigger they are, the more vram they use by default, and the more processing power it takes. all the flat shit are shapes drawn by the engine, so they take effectively zero vram, and no processing. do give a slightly flawed example, in this image, the small ui is 480p, at 308kb. the big ui on the right is 4k, and 5mb. that's almost 17 times bigger. now imagine making all your ui elements "4k compliant" so the ui isn't blurry. games are already bloated to fuck.

please go jerk off

>>715998384
modern games don't reneder at 4k.
They render at 720-1080p and upscale to 4k.
You are dead wrong.

>>715998384
what the fuck did i just read

>>715982197 (OP)
I thought this had been cancelled

>>715998494
correct. except the ui renders at your native resolution, which is why they draw ui elements as basic shapes, so that your 720p to 1440p to 4k game still has a native 4k resolution. you stupid fucking retard.

>>715997782
>Shadman
Ouch.

>>715998384
That's not exactly true. For some games it can be but most engines support 3x3 grid slicing where the edges of the image tile separately from the middle of the image meaning you can get away with much lower resolution textures. You can also make custom materials that tile based on the render resolution so that your UI textures don't need to be that large and use decals to break up the tiling.
There are lots of ways to get around resolution concerns. Most devs just don't want to be creative.

I'm planning on replaying the original in October. First time I'll play the Sabbat CQM sections too.
I wonder how bad the new one I'll be.
I can't trust reviewers because there all soulless shills and you can't really trust /v/ because people here focus too much on the negatives.

>>715982197 (OP)
Why do all games now have the same menus and fonts????

>>715998384
I really liked the diablo equipment system

>>715994796
they both want the anne rice audience

>>715998818
oh no for sure, but remember, these developers can't be assed to move sliders in unreal engine 5. they could double their games performance by not having nanite chairs, or lumen raytracing behind 4 buildings on a puddle, but that would require them to take a trip into the .ini for an hour or so. god forbid.

>>715998883
They all pay Shadman to make them.

>>715998926
same. i wish more games would copy it, in terms of appearance on the character. i liked the simplicity of your character model changing based on armor tier, and helmet. kept it nice and simple.

>>715998861
>First time I'll play the Sabbat CQM sections too.
They're ok, fun imo. having east LA as a hub is nice since it's kind of a noticeable omission from the city in vanilla

>>715998883
>>715998384
it's easier to copy, than to innovate. "market research" told all the dinosaur stockholders that gamers love when everything looks completely identical.

>>715998384
Some games like KCD1/2 have very ornate UIs though, if other devs have issues with that it's just their retardation.

>>715999149
It's perfect for its model of different classes with distinct look. Shit, it even works for 3D since it's what VtMB does.

>>715999232
I like the CQM stuff. It's well researched into OWD lore and decently written and acted.

>>715998384
IMO, a big part of it is that:
>want to implement a new window in 2004
>need to get your artist to make entirely new art assets for it and probably wait a week or two

Like pic related would've been the designer along with a 3d and 2d artist working for a few weeks to get it done and if you want to make any changes you're back to square one.

By having it be really simple a designer doesn't even need to talk to art to get it made. They probably have a generic window UI element that they can put anything on.

Going fully 1st person instead of fully 3rd person feels like a mistake, particularly with melee combat and level traversal seeming like more of a focus, at least for what they've shown. I'm fine with a Masquerade game being almost 100% melee with guns and weapons just being an occasional power boost but if you're going to have that Arcady "level focus" for a game then you should go all the way and develop a beat em up style of gameplay.

>>715999691
I dunno. I have conflicting feelings on this. On one hand I do see the game combat working better in third person but then I find games with a focus on stealth or social elements where you talk to people tend to be better in first person. I could go either way desu.

>>715999691
awful awful awful opinion

>>715999691
I guarantee at some point there are a conversation about turning it into a Souls-like and it probably got vito'd because it would take too long.

I want to drown in Rik Schaffers music.

>>715999797
1st person works for dedicated stealth/horror games because it works for giving a vibe but in Vampire you're typically not "Afraid" of being caught, you use stealth as a tool for your hunting. But since this is 1/3rd an action game, 1/3rd a stealth game, and 1/3rd some sort of magic game.

I find the social aspect of the game to already being inherently fucked because they're doing a Pseudo-Blank Slate, which is the worse of both worlds between a true Blank Slate and an actual fleshed out character.

>>715999829
If you like the way the combat and powers they've shown in first person looks you might have brain damage.

>>715999691
> if you're going to have that Arcady "level focus" for a game then you should go all the way and develop a beat em up style of gameplay.
I don't thnik I can agree. Trouble is, combat is only one part of the gameplay here, with exploration (whether topical or narrative) a strong - stronger I would say - element of an hybrid build. Making the core of the gamplay a beat'em all changes things in terms of pacing and level design.
I mean, look at Vampyr. There's a good game in there, but the core of gamplay being by default the beat'em all makes all the other elements collapse upon themselves. And that regardless of its quality (I'd say combat in Vampyr was bad, but the issue raised by its impact on every other design elements would remain true even if it had been good).

>>715999891
Give me Vampire Sifu with Parkour for Stealth.

>>715982197 (OP)
Perhaps not the worst looking game of them all but that's hardy gonna save it

>>716000636
I never played Vampyr, but the impression I got was more so that it was just a failure on a technical level where basic gameplay elements felt bad to perform and it's story and character fell flat. It being 3rd person wasn't really the inherent issue.

>>716000093
>Tikal Jungle
Asian Vampires of ages past

>>716001127
It's not even a bad game honestly. If you've got some time to kill I recommend it.

Vampyr has a GREAT ost, go listen to that RIGHT NOW

>>715982197 (OP)
>ui
Atrocious

>>716001127
>>716001312
My issue was you are rather railroaded in certain story arcs and then given free reign with others If I was going bloodthirsty vampire then I should have an option to be with Mary, having to 'leave her' felt pointless to me and something that neither me nor my Johnathan would do at that point . I did ethnically cleanse London though and that was interesting.

>>715995280
Customization isn't character generation. They explicitly said no cc, but wear male and female clothes. The more I learn about the game the happier I am. Release will be full of tears.

>>716001127
Vampyr suffers from several issues, yeah (I mean it's DONTNOD, a studio plagued by "cool ideas, poor executions" since day one). But I do think having to accomodate the maps for its combat impacted exploration negatively. Then there was the usual (and I'm sorry to have to be the one to pull that one) so called ludo-narrative dissonance of core gameplay XPing mechanics that was about the impact of murder via feeding vs the hundreds of people you have to kill just walking the street (harder to handwave, when refusal to murder happens to a core of your narrative as enforced through gameplay). Then the resources management and having to scrap enough to save infected citizens from the plague being impacted by loot...

I mean, the game might have pull it off by removing most exraneous fights and focusing on bosses, but it would have needed a more robust and refined combat system.
So I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. But I do think the point worth raising.

>>715999669
every asset on screen are assets in the world, so this would have actually been really easy.

>>715999437
it even works with more "generic" things too. for instance, if your armor system is
>start: leather tunic
>end: full knight armor
and you have a warrior and a necromancer, the warrior would be a in a brown tunic, the necromancer in a black tunic. the warrior ends up in typical knight armor, and the necromancer's knight armor incorporates more of a bone look, with the helmet being a metal skull, instead of a normal knight helmet.

>>716001884
I like a set character with their own specific backstory and goals over a mute blank slate but I haven't seen her show off much personality to decide if she'll be any good.

If I can play her as an arrogant Ventrue Bitch that'll be good

I have a question about the tabletop itself and I swear I'm not trying to start shit
How come some guys play female characters, I get playing female in video games but not playing a roleplaying game as one

>>716002178
Have a bigger Julia

>>716000093
>rik, we need combat music in the mansion crypts
>we can't decide between gothic, metal, or funk, what do you think?
>yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-CiKnm0M9o

>>716002178
>Crafting
Hard Pass. I'm so sick of this shit leaking out of the survival genre.

>>715987142
Are you posting from 2012? I'd kill for a "buzzcut meathead" in a game nowadays.

>>716002840
I really struggle to understand the problem. Have you never seen theater?

>>716001385
I've been actually.

>>716002840
So, playing, say, a thousand years old transhumanist Tzimisce from another continent that has rebuilt himself to be a perfectly unique lifeform is cool, but playing a woman is too alien?

>>716000636
it might sound crazy but i would like a vtm game with batman combat. it would feel great to completely ruin mooks, and it would look really cool, especially with a kill combo that lets you fly across the room into a quick feed, then toss the body at another guy. when it comes to bosses, and "elite" enemies, you can still introduce more mechanics, or guns, proper dodges and parries, and environmental stuff. it would be a nice mix of a vampire power fantasy, and then the "oh yeah, i'm actually at the bottom of the food chain" when it comes to real enemies.

>>715982197 (OP)
>Malkavian not playable

>>716003267
Too much work.

>>716002676
Blank state characters that are born into existence after completing the cc are atrocious game design. Cdpr tried life paths and failed miserably with this approach. Flags could give a custom character appeal, but no one cares enough to implement them.
>venture bitch
I was intrigued, but lost all interest when they communicated that malkavians will be dlc. Not going that route. AFAIK they cut the clan completely.
>crpg
Why isn't there a vtmb crpg with humans, vampires and werewolves? I want a fun party!

>>716002840
They're fags.
Jk, I don't get it either.
I can play women when they're more set characters, like the Diablo classes or someone like Ciri, but not in a custom character with no voice

>>716003325
>a hunter the reckoning hunter, a vampire the masquerade vampire, and a werewolf the apocalypse werewolf forced to team up under existential crisis circumstances in a crossover game

>>716002840
For me the more interesting aspect of the Tabletop is more about Roleplaying the first few days of your specific character turning into a vampire and getting shoved into the world of the Masquerade as opposed to actual combat.

What happens when a Prostitute whose codependant with an abusive Pimp is suddenly a Brujah who can tear him in half?

What does a single mom working 3 jobs to feed her kids do when she's turned into a Nosferatu?

How badly can Daddy's Little Princess spiral out of control when she's turned into a Toreador and her ability to get what she wants is turned up to 11?

>>716003705
4c approved. When can I play this?

>>715989487
This... looks fine. Maybe there is hope if they tune down the WW faggotry and play up the WW cool shit.

>>716003228
I mean, why not, but at that point why bother with Masquerade and not just make a generic vampire game? Seems like a waste of the licence to me. Could use that money elsewhere.

>>716003325
V was NOT a blank a character, that's part the issue, if anything. It was a perfectly pre-defined character that tried to pay lip-service to some of the choices made at character creation. So people couldn't graft on the absent void their own mental construct, and game didn't offer enough interactions to compensate

>>716002980
Had it, but thank you. Nice of you.

>>716004332
>I mean, why not, but at that point why bother with Masquerade and not just make a generic vampire game?
bamham combat is still in line with vtm.

>>716002840
just think of it like creative writing, it wouldn't be weird for a male author to write a female character right?

This place is far too demoralizing. More demoralizing than the ones this place calls out to be demoralizing. I remain optimistic and hope that maybe it will at least be average to decent. Which is good enough for me (during a sale). If it's as good as Vampyr i'm happy, loved that game.

>>716004823
It's "demoralizing" to have any semblance of standards now?

>>716004942
The picture in OP doesn't look bad considering there weren't even customization options at first. People are behaving like it's Concord. Standards my ass, you just want this game to fail.

>>716004332
I wasn't referring to v when I was talking of blank characters. I didn't make myself clear at this point.
V was a street kid no matter the choices and that's objectively bad. Be it as it is, cp2 will be the exact same shit, just 10 years later.

>>715987142
When was the last buzzcut meathead lol?

>>715987727
Kingdom come, immensely soulful

>>715982197 (OP)
>unrealslop

>>716004770
Yeah makes sense, you're playing a character in a story I guess. It still sounds kind of weird to me, but it's on me.
Maybe because I never played tabletop roleplaying games, just shit like monopoly, cluedo and warhammer fantasy battle. In vidya I play exclusively males too, not because I think playing females is gay or anything, I'm not even self inserting since the characters have nothing to do with me. In this game I played male gangrel, male ventrue and male tremere.

>>716003182
I get it, maybe these kind of games are really good for actors.

>>715985981
>the feminine twink faggot looks slightly better than the androgynous butch lesbian
not a huge step up 2bx

>>715997784
i'm finally the proper level of bald to be maximillian for our annual halloween party.

>>716005138
>Standards my ass, you just want this game to fail.
Kinda desu.
I'd rather it fail and die than seeing something I love being raped repeatedly.

>>716005138
People are behaving like it's Concord because the parent company is notoriously garbage at handling its IPs and White Wolf themselves have been so self-righteous in their SJW behavior before that they got real people killed. The character designs are completely bland, uninspired and do not provoke any kind of connection between the PC and their clan. Look at pic related and tell me that these are good designs for your PC when compared to VtMB's.

The UI is generic and has been seen countless times in other trash before, the dialogue is straight out of Mass Effect, the combat looks way too floaty thus far, the twist regarding Fabian and Phyre can be seen from a mile away, Fabian as a whole is just a desperate attempt to recreate the Johnny Silverhand hype, the environments don't look gothic enough, etc. The entire thing reeks of a desperate Hail Mary by Paradox to recoup some of their losses before they shelf Vampire games for the foreseeable future.

>>716005448
>Maybe because I never played tabletop roleplaying games
If you have friends who are interested you should try, it's a load of fun.
>I get it, maybe these kind of games are really good for actors.
It depends on the game system and table, to be honest.
There's plenty of tables where the role playing takes a backseat to the roll playing, and viceversa.

>>715985185
nu-devs fear the nested menu.

Never forget, never forgive.

>>716005798
That new Brujah kek
>how do you do fellow fledglings?

The last time I saw this game, the "female" model was clearly the male model, which is usually done to placate troons on the dev team who insist that men and women actually have the same faces. This is in turn an infallible predictor that the game itself will be low quality.

>>716005798
you can play assamite?
you gonna slurp on all the other vampires?

This game is dead on arrival. If they were smart they would sell it at a lower price like 40 or 50 bucks. Nobody is going to pay 70 or 80 bucks for this game.

>>716006170
I would genuinely be impressed if they implemented diablerie in the game but I don't think they care that much. Paradox seems to shove Assamites into everything to fill some kind of quota.

>>715986264
I identify as a true faith 10 hunter.

>>716005212
My bad, misundertood your point.

>>716005138
The reaction from fans around me is more that people are afraid to be hopeful, however much they want to. No one is expecting a masterpiece, but even just something decent seems too much to ask in current context.
The mass market doesn't care so far, but how often does it?

>>716006265
>lower price
>paradox
lel

>>716006367
I think somebody with 10 dots in True Faith would be far above being a hunter. Reminder that six dots counts as being a saint that can perform miracles, 10 dots means you're basically Jesus.

>>716006291
What do you mean by everything?
Assamites joining the Camarilla was the follow up to a plot point introduced in Revised. I mean many of us had moved to that already before V5 was even released. But apat from that they don't seem overextending their presence to me (might have missed some things though).

The fact that they implemented Quietus level one in B2 really has me unreasoneably hopeful of the way they made sound work and propagate.

>>715998384
No, lol. The only pragmatic excuse is scalability, vectors that look as intended no matter the resolution. It's homogenization of design and laziness. Minimalist designs are what they teach now, so it's all they know.

Sex or body type? I won't buy if it says body type.

>>716006881
>The only pragmatic excuse is scalability, vectors that look as intended no matter the resolution.
that's literally what i said.

>>716006786
Assamites never had such attention before. What makes the Assamite clan a better candidate for one of four clan slots in the game than, say, Malkavian or Nosferatu? It's not like they want to create a novel experience, they would've added fan-favourites like Tzimisce or the aforementioned Malkavians if they did, or just give us the fucking Lasombra they've been teasing us with for years. Assamites have been getting their dicks polished non-stop in V5 for reasons that are beyond me without falling back to the obvious reason of brownie points.

>>716006085
Yikes. Just when I thought lefties were allowed to make a woman with big tits as long as she was an independent leader too.

>>716007034
You're female either way, the "male" options are just for if Phyre is trans.

>>716006786
not the guy you're replying to, looked up what quietus was and it's some other tremere magic (not tremere but some other vampire sorcerers)
so there's other vampire mages too? I bet they have a feud with the tremeres over who is a better magic user, when I played tremere in vtmb I spammed the shit out of blood boil

>>716006786
Nta, but the Assamites have sucked mega hard ever since WW took them out of their niche of being fanatical Muslim diablerists.
Fatima sucks, Ul-Shugi sucks, them having Thaumaturgy sucks, them joining the Camarilla sucks.

>>716007126
Malkavians have to deal with their Cassandra Complex and Nosferate are uggos who can't interact normally with most humans, so they would both need extensive rewrites. Even in the first game, with how simple it was, those Clans had the biggest gameplay distinction in regards to Dialogue interactions, so I think it makes total sense they got bumped out for the Assamites. Am I disappointed? Yes. But it makes total sense from a development perspective.

All they're doing is providing Base Classes for Combat Focus/Stealth Focus/Social Focus/Magic Focus.

>>716007126
To play the devil's advocate for a second, the protagonist was supposed to be from the middle east, right? It's not too absurd to have assamite as an option.

>>716007173
All blood magic used to be Thaumaturgy, it was the Tremere's "thing" and a reference to Ars Magicka.
As time went on and new edition came, it became more and more common. The Tzimisce had blood magic, the Assamites had blood magic, and they all suddenly were practicing it way longer than the Tremere had been around.
It was very lame.

>>716007173
>so there's other vampire mages too
There are, but there shouldn't be, and the entire idea is a good example that the people writing today have no idea what they're doing, and can't keep anything unique.

>>716007403
And therein lies the problem, they've taken out something that can go on to be praised for literal decades by fans to go with generic as fuck RPG class-systems that will be forgotten in months. If Troika could do it in the 2000's, a bigger dev team under a large publisher in the 2020's should be able to do better, not worse.

>>716007468
Is Phyre really from the Middle East? I haven't seen anything about this. Still, you could have done something more inspired if you wanted Middle Eastern clans given that the Lasombra have their hands in the Ashirra and the existence of the Setites.

>>715982434
/thread

>>716007613
>>716007710
I looked up some disciplines way back there was a vtmb thread and I liked the one about using shadows
that one was cool, I want to use it in the game

>>716007173
Bit complicated.
Quietus used to be the signature discipline of the Assamites before V5. V5 has rolled back signature disciplines into basic disciplines and/or amalgams - conjunctions of two basic disciplines. Most of the quietus powers have thus been incorporated into Blood Sorcery. Quietus one though, Silence of Death, was incorporated back into Obfuscate.
To simplify, what it does is prevent sound from propagating.
Which, a as stealth genre fan, makes me hope for more than the game can/will probably deliver.

(Sorry if I wasn't clear enough)

>>716007126
Clearly, we didn't read the same Sabbat supplement. The clan always had way too much reach compared to what it was supposed to be. I don't find V5 to be worsening on that front.

Because Heather Poe is your ghoul, you could ask her to do anything and she would do it eagerly.

>>716005448
nothing wrong with that either, rp is all about finding what you & the rest of the group are comfortable with instead of some proscribed "correct" way to play.

at least for me, with tabletop stuff compared to video games, there's the extra layer of disconnect too, where you can say like 'Sandy says such-and-such' instead of having to speak in the character's voice that makes it easier to get into characters that are a lot different.

>>716008001
You're ugly and kind of annoying Heather. I'm not going to tell you to hide before the Sabbat raid so you fucking die and I don't have to deal with your clingy bullshit anymore.

>>716007894
Obtenebration was the signature discipline of the Lasombra. It was complete ullshit because the tentacles and other powers at level 3 were vaguely defend and level 5 was an armor invincible to anything that wasn't fire, magic or light.

>>716007897
I don't really recall how much exposure the Tzimisce get in V5's fluff but they've been absolutely shafted in the vidya scene. The VtMB threads from last year had people in every thread hoping for Tzimisce to at least be a DLC clan.

>>716008001
Heather + femTrem

>>716007613
The general power-gamer arm race with everyone trying to one up one another was generally a catastrophee for the game, as time went on.
I do think Thaumaturgy should have remained more focused, less powerful, a lot more exclusive.
But hey, as designed it was the most powerful /versatile discipline - allowing for any and all DM fiat excuses needed, so in the end everyone and his mother needed a variation of it.

>>716008189
Sabbat clan Disciplines felt like they were more design for "boss encounters" that players playing "Normal" clans would have to deal with using tools and equipment instead of just spamming Celerity or Potence

>>716008350
Thaumaturgy is as much of a "boss encounter" discipline as Obtenebration of Vicissitude, even moreso at higher levels.

>>716007719
>Is Phyre really from the Middle East? I haven't seen anything about this.
I can't find a quote saying it, so I'm pretty sure it was from one of the dev streams. The only thing I could find was this
>Phyre's motivation in the story is driven (at least initially) by regaining her power - she has awoken after 100 years in torpor (vampire hibernation) 6000 miles from home [...]
It's in the "Dev Diary #8" if you want to look at it.

>>716008268
>Female Malk has breast physics for her starting outfit and never again
>Female Tremere has no breast physics on her starting outfit but does for all of them after
Bizarre

Also a major issue I see for the game is that they're fucked for capturing the seedy and sultry feel of vampire nightlift just as a reflection of how humans behave when we stay up after dark in any city. The first game was downright horny. Troika fucked.

I get the distinct impression that Chink Room does not fuck.

>>716008558
Huh, you're right. My point still stands that Assamite is a boring and uninspired addition to the roster. Even if you're the kind of guy that wants to play stealth, both Malkavians and Nosferatu have Obfuscate while also having other things going for them.

>>716008237
I think people hoping for playable Tzimisce in video game don't realize they're asking for a lot. The fleshcrafting /barely/ works in tabletop form with all the freedom of impro you have (the systems for vissicitude have never been robust, whichever edition... ùaybe the can't if they have to accomodate all that the fiction allows for that didcipline).
I mean, unless what they want is a few damage dealt that leave bodies deformed/twisted, zulo shape and maybe a coupe pre-defined transformations, and they can accept that the ghoul/self crafting is going to remain beyond scope of most games.

>>716007719
Tought I had answered that, my bad. I don't know if she's from the middle east (I mean "The Nomad" moniker kinda hinta at the character moving around a lot) But from what we've seen, the character possibly /was/ in Constantinople (I'm guessing things can change depending on in-game choices). Hopefully, we have hints of Mickaël and The Dream.

>>716008274
I mean, I was always fine with just the Path of Blood existing, but it needed to be more like it was in Bloodlines, straight up Blood manipulation.
Shit like Conjuration was always bullshit

>>716008350
The whole of Sabbat works way more like a enemy faction than a playable one. It's why they're a sect with two Clans mostly composed by strong elders and ancillae
>>716008492
Nah, stuff like Lure of Flames is exceedingly simple. Path of Blood isn't even that good till the third dot.

>>716008905
Oh yeah, 100% it was a mandate from above and they (tried to) build an excuse around it when they made their game idea proposal.
On the other hand, even the most boring idea could be executed so well that it ends up great. But it's not like I'm going to delude myself, this is likely going to suck regardless of the clans they include.

>>716008492
I don't think so. Basic Thaumaturgy paths don't have anything too ridiculous. They just have a ton of options for application in niche situations as is a standard tradition for Spell Casters but if you wanted a ton of variety your Tremere wasn't going to have any practical skills or develop their other disciplines.

if I was a vampire I would try to become the strongest vampire
how easy is it

>>716008719
They fuck with the lights off.

>>716008938
I'm with you on the boat that full-fledged Vicissitude is basically impossible for Chinese Room or whatever they're called to implement, but even turning people into monsters would be much better and much more unique than Assamites.

I HIGHLY doubt they'll bring in stuff like the Dream considering we can't even play as Toreadors in the game when the Toreador clan is the most iconic to VtMB.

>>716009221
>>716009305
It's been a while since I checked Thaumaturgy and its related paths but I recall there being some real busted shit in there. Hell, even low-tier Thaumaturgy can cheese a lot of sessions.

>>716009310
Depends how good you are at scheming and waiting, I suppose.

>>716009310
A nickname I give to VtM is: Eternal Oedipus RPG. However powerful you become, the game is set up so that there will /always/ be someone meaner, more powerful above you. Ultimately, the run for power is meant to be hollow.
Not that it's stopping players from trying.

>>716009485
Conjuration is basically a Player vs Storyteller conflict waiting to happen where the player tries to get away with as much bullshit as he can.
Elemental Mastery was also pretty broken

>>716009310
If you have to ask you are already ashes.

>>716006464
im just saying. this game is going to turbo bomb especially on consoles.

>>716009682
>Eternal Oedipus RPG
That's describing every WEG
VtM is the Eternal Bigger Fish RPG

>>716009310
I'd give you about week.

>>716009881
>That's describing every WEG
Interesting typo, or did I miss something about the conversation?
>VtM is the Eternal Bigger Fish RPG
I like Oedipus because it's a game that has generational conflict coded at its core. Your sire will never die, unless suicide, murder or unlikely tragic accident. The growing in power with its generational cap means you're condemend to be lesser unless practicing diablerie. And at the top Cain is the hard cap that cannot be broken.

>>716008719
It's a good point.
Troika want afraid of being frank and seedy about its sex and darker themes.
Nu-VtM says you can't even have funny insane people because that's offensive.
I mean, we all read this shit

>>715982434
OP<FPBP again

>>716010423
>Interesting typo, or did I miss something about the conversation?
It's joke about how they have incest
>I like Oedipus because it's a game that has generational conflict coded at its core. Your sire will never die, unless suicide, murder or unlikely tragic accident
Sure, but the danger often comes from outside. Different sects, different supernatural creatures...
I think bigger fish describes it better because even if you somehow becomes the biggest baddest vampire around something in the corner, which can be completely outside of your context, can still come and wreck your shit.

>>716009805
can't you just diablo caine and be the first

>>716010917
Caine is protected by the Capital G God himself, good luck.

>>716010917
You can certainly try

>>715988623
I turned that shit off within the first like 5 minutes because I got cringe overdose from that room at the very beginning with the Union Jack on the wall.

>>716011118
>>716011143
I got this, I'm an atheist

>>715982197 (OP)
Yes it does.

This is a shill thread. Sage in all fields.

>>716011185
That just means no one is coming to help your sorry ass

>>716011256
Either in getting old or the shill has gotten better
He's always blatantly obvious, using the same phrases

>>716011152
>your scot mc calls a britfag national front supporter a cunt
whats the issue

>>715984615
Bcs everything is outsourced to unreal engine Indians

>>715988127
Leftists always start with counterculture when they plan on infiltrating something. Punk, goth, you name it.

WoD was dead for a while though so when the eternal swede bought it they hit it with corpo LGBT aesthetics.

>>716011329
*I'm

>>716011284
god wasn't coming to save me anyways, if I were a vampire... right?
vampires are parasites, they're ruining the world, they're also like cockroaches, absolute filth with damned souls.
which makes me wonder, if you were a vampire, why not just make a deal with a demon for power? become an infernalist? your soul is fucked up beyond belief already, there's no god for you, you're stuck in a game you don't want to play with older players who control all the pieces... why not make a deal with a demon and shift the power balance? You don't have to be a pawn
become an infernalist

>>716010621
>It's joke about how they have incest
I was totally gonna miss that.
>which can be completely outside of your context
I personally like the idea that, as I was saying, ultimately, the run to power is hollow. And often, it's not something related to power on any scale that gets you. It's lack of love; lack of care for the world around you, and the descent into inhumanity. Sometimes without even the Beast needing to nudge you down. You're shark unable to swim, surviving becasue the current allows you to breathe still, and then it stops and die you do.

>>716010917
God said "no can do". So you'll have to beat God first.
Good luck.

>>716011476
Away from here, Baali scum

>>715984615
It's a framework with all the default options basically.

>>715987727
Fallout 1 shits on every modern Ui
When I played it as a kid it felt like I just discovered some artifact !machine or something like that

>>716011434
White Wolf and VTM was always leftist counter culture, what's changed is that current leftist counter culture is really gay and annoying.

>>716011143
"Horrible parenting skills" will always get me.

>>715992834
>>715993037
>>715993139
You are misinformed "White Wolf" does not mean that they got all the old gen xers that made the setting back together. When Paradox bought the IP, they also bought the rights to White Wolf. They recreated White Wolf as a brand back when first launching WoD5, but filled with swedish LARPers almost exclusively. Then the chechnya incident caused them to dissolve White Wolf. Now, they brought it back again as a way to insulate their stock prices from any flops and convince people who don't do their research that "the real devs are back in charge."

Ship of Theseus, no different than nu Bungie or nu Bioware.

>>716011476
God helps vampires if they deserve it. But most good people just don't last very long in the Masquerade. It's an inherently selfish and parasitical existence. They tend to die doing good deeds or get burnt watching a sunrise.

>>715982197 (OP)
Who at CHinese Room is shilling this

>>716011507
It's a game of personal horror.
Existence for a vampire is ultimately a miserable and pointless thing because it's inherently parasitical and inherently in competition with each other. Year after year without sunlight, without real love or trust or stress, it carves out humanity out of you.
It's actually maybe my biggest peeve with VtM. Ever since it's inception, literally 1st Ed. Chicago by Night, we have old as fuck vampires that actu almost indistinct from humans. It's bullshit. After 100, 200, 1000 years your perspective and experiences would be so alien to the average human.
It's something VtMB absolutely killed in comparison. Every vamp you encounter is more on the younger side, truly older guys like Strauss or Andrei are more collected and way more far sighted.

>>716011541
I swear if you get in my way one more time

>>715986264
Reminded me of this, the victim probably got high off the residual methadone in these retards' teeth

>>716005798
Its so fkn pathetic how little difference there is between these clan styles visually
Literal slop design that turns every standout expressive aspect into grey goo

>>716012103
It's quite a paradox of the setting that pretty much any vampire that "survives" longer than a few months is inherently an uninteresting or compelling as a person. Meanwhile everyone wants to larp as a vampire whose going to make it and become Prince of a City.

Real human beings either burn or you succumb to ego death and get taken over by The Beast.

I'm sure they would have found some way to screw it up, but I really wish the World of Darkness MMO had seen the light of day. So much potential there, and it really sounded like the last of the real MMOs, a game from a time before WoW turned it all into gay theme parks.

>>716005798
Why does the male Tremere have tits?

>>715982434
FIPPY BIPPY

>>716012349
they used the same model for male and female to make a troon on the dev team feel better about being a freak

>>716011668
I'm irratinaly bothered by that recently develloping usage of th Ship of Theseus. That's not what the myth was meant to convey.

>>716012103
>It's a game of personal horror.
You're preaching to the choir. I've been bothered day one at Manele having 10 humanity (and Thaumaturgy 7, though, another issue altogether). A lot of NPCs in VtM had completely nonsensical stats when confronted to the themes and supposed mechanics of the game.
As I've always said: VtM was in many ways a failure in design. Thats probably part of why it was succesful too.

>>716012349
Because that's not the male model? Do you have face blindness?

>>715994234
humans outnumber vampires a million to one. If they ever got wise they could wipe vampires out. Remember, most vampire become comatose during the day so it'd be really easy to exterminate them if you knew where they were. Keeping everything in check makes it harder for that situation to occur

>>716012690
>Thats probably part of why it was succesful too.
nah that's just timing and style

>>716012349
It's old vs new, not male vs female

>>715995737
It shouldn't have been a "chosen one" PC with discount keanu reeves in their mind at all.
Just give me a literally who and go from zero to hero (or villain in this case)

>>716012849
>Just give me a literally who and go from zero to hero
shit tier opinion

>>716012690
>recently developing usage of the Ship of Theseus
The term isn't talking about the Argonautica, it's a philosophical conundrum that's been in use for 2000 years.

>>716012296
https://youtu.be/a0hEenozI0Y

>>716012907
While I respect your opinion, remember that this is supposedly a numerical sequel to a game which had the same concept.
At this point they should call it something else.

>>716012103
If you look at Humanity and what causes Humanity loss, it doesn't actually measure humanity. It's a morality system, and not that great of one. Even the Sabbat feel human, and they're supposed to be the humanity rejecting asshats. But they're not doing anything you can't find in history or a third world shithole. Also I think something important is that much of the degradation is self-inflicted. The sun's a no go but the others are things you can swing most of the time, companionship, love, etc. The issue is it leaves you vulnerable to other vampires. So the safest play is the one that hurts your soul the most. Which is not to say a lone vampire outside of the Jyhad would be an innocent perfect boy. They still need to do something between rape and assault once every couple of nights.

I do agree with elder stats and character traits often not making much sense, though my bigger issue is they feel far too stupid and shortsighted. I actually love Strauss as an Elder because he feels very believable. Not only does he seem to plan ahead, he has a lot of self control. He knows that allies are preferable to enemies when you can create them. He acts practically and does not come off as cruel or callous. He absolutely has skeletons in his closet, see the Gargoyle, but he isn't a slavering monster.

>>716012790
Naah, I do think design plays a part: the power gamers, the personal horror players, and the drama crew could all see a different thing in the game, all play together, and each manage to find moments to enjoy.
One might argue that more competently made games following the statement of intent of V1 have been produced since, but they end up intrinsically more niche, and excluding some player profiles.

>>716012927
I know, but in recent months I've kept seeing people using it as a way of saying "the new isn't the old".
Which is bypassing the conundrum. So to speak...

>>716012907
That's like the core premise of the whole setting. You know you're not actually supposed to play as Elders and Methuselahs right?

>>716008268
Eh, the problem with tremere girls is they're always going to be that nerdy wicca type, so basically someone who is guaranteed hairy and probably washes like once every three days. You're better off with Toreador art ho or Ventrue Rory Gilmore types.

>>716013349
I think it's more just people saying "All the Planks have been replaced" so don't expect the damn thing to steer the same way it used too.

>>715982434
fpbp

>>716012294
I think the loss of humanity is a very interesting thing by itself.
There's a lot of ways to go through immortality, VtMB does it well too, when it features Smiling Jack (does the same thing for hundreds years, perpetually stuck in a cycle of fighting and cauising chaos with no real goals) and LaCroix (obsessed with social climbing and acquiring power, literally never have enough, even if he reaches it) as direct opposites.
>>716012690
Oh yeah, the stars for elders were ridiculous. The metaplot is such a curious thing. It's basically what drew people in VtM and continues to, it's also the settings biggest weakness because it's inconsistent and seems downright detrimental to the themes of the game. I guess you're right and VtM wouldn't really be VtM if it was't such a mess

>>716013645
>they're always going to be that nerdy wicca type, so basically someone who is guaranteed hairy and probably washes like once every three days
I just said I bought it, you don't need to sell it to me.

>>716012627
Shameful behavior. Just shameful
>>716012691
I don't have tit blindness. That's a chick among males
>>716012807
Ah. Why no male Tremere then?

>>716014094
Banu Haqim is also a chick, its 50/50

>>716013423
Duh, if i wanted to play as a newfag fledgling I would actually play the tabletop or quite literally every other vtm video game ever made, I like this one for flipping the premise on its head

>>716013645
>guaranteed hairy and probably washes like once every three days
Don't forget the House Carna rituals too

>>716014094
>Ah. Why no male Tremere then?
Anon... They are examples.

>>716013345
Well yeah, hell is other people. Surely a vampire could have love, companionship, etc. But that's a huge vulnerability, not just for you, but for them. The beautiful mess that is the Clan Novel Saga has that part where Chas Tello tells someone about how his first meal as vampire where his own kids and that was just the first step Ina life deeply immersed in the the horrific and immoral. The point ends up being that, even if you find these things, they're fleeting. You can't settle on them, you can't grow old with your love and have kids. Either you'll grow apart from ennui or something more drastic
The thing that made VtMB so good is that it's basically the world's most perfect VtM Chronicle. It took the best of the setting and used it phenomenally well

>>716013645
>>716013919
Hairy pussies are inherently better. It's very rare the chick that has the perfect immie pussy that looks better shaved

>>716014625
https://files.catbox.moe/iyddaj.png

>>715982197 (OP)
Veilguard set the bar very low. if it's even half-decent and there aren't any mandatory enby companions, i'll probably buy and complete it.

>>716015332
Beautiful.
Male Tremere is the best PC because he got to experience such joy.

>>716014625
Not really, no. Hairy pussy is a masculine trait, and you tend to see it preferred by guys who are closet gay or gay adjacent, they get turned on by masculine features or masculinity, but they don't want to be honest about that even internally so they project masculinity onto women as a way of laundering homosexuality. You see this with pussy hair, muscular women, 'tomboys' who are generally just some idealized male friend you've projected onto the female form, etc. You also see it preferred among porn addicts who only experience the female body through porn, i.e. visuals but no smell, and so the problems inherent in hair don't register for them, i.e. you have this thing trapping sweat and arousal all day, making something that already smells bad smell worse, which is compounded by the presence of hair being a bad hygiene signal in the first place, i.e. that stuff will probably be building for multiple days. Women shave for a reason.

>>716014625
you sound like a woman who prefers cut cocks because "foreskin looks like a big worm" lmfao

>>716015482
>Hairy pussy is a masculine trait
wow. somehow this might be a gayer take than the foreskin guy whose post i read before yours. you are deranged. lmao

>>716015482
>Hairy pussy is a masculine trait
Anon, I...

>>716015482
>making something that already smells bad smell worse
lol
>can't stand the smell of pussy
>calls others gay
>>716015542
Sorry, I'm not American, I've never heard a woman say 'yeah I prefer dicks mutilated by Jewish rituals'. That not a thing outside of the US and Israel.

>>716015482
>pussy is a masculine trait
Okay, Herakles, calm down.

>>716014547
>The thing that made VtMB so good is that it's basically the world's most perfect VtM Chronicle. It took the best of the setting and used it phenomenally well

I find that interesting coming from a personal horror guy, since bloodlines also manages to be very fun at points.

Still would

>>716015873
That's true, VtMB ends up being a lot more about a vampion power fantasy than personal horror.
I guess it'd be more accurate to say it's the world's most perfect single, but very session.
The DM is fantastic, but he didn't have the time for a great personal horror chronicle so he just made very fun and deeply rich in lore and setting.

>>716011649
This. Former leftist counterculture was actually basically what most 4chan apolitical boards are now. "Everyone's an equal faggot, shut up, nobody cares." Now the conversation has moved to shit like "body type representation" and "accessibility" and fuck them.

>>716016103
>Spends a whole session where you go to China town and talk to his Japanese school girl OC with demon slaying Katana folded 1 million times (No you can't take it from her)

Our DM has Yellow Fever.

>>716015482
Ok Epstein

>>716016269
>Epstein was a Vampire
Big if true.

>>716015873
Another anon, but as a "personal horror" DM: levity is important. Moments when players feel, powerful, laugh, or just fleeting moments of joy/happiness make the horror all the more potent. Contrast helps sell it all.
It's hard enough to make horror land/stick, trying to force it at all time is generally counter-productive.

>>716016248
>entire section about Hollywood being a seedy blood fueled machine, complete with vicissitude abominations stand in for the dregs of society exploited and left to tot beneath the glitz
He was going through a rough patch at the time, okay?

>>716016029
>hair that looks like a helmet
I feel like games should have figured out how to do human hair by now.

>>716017107
They have, it's just computationally expensive. With how much people here bitch and cry about ray tracing and dlss, real hair would make them drown themselves in the ganges.

>>715986846
Fifteen million people identify as Jews. There absolutely are crazies everywhere.

>>716016217
It is what a lot of "Leftists" don't understand today about the rise of Nazi aesthetics as the "fuck the government!" culture, making fashwave edits with nicki minaj music is somehow less gay then current "leftist" identity. To a much lesser extent it also explains the galvanization of Stalinist style tankies who see the mainstream movements as just so gay.

After the events of the game, would you be afforded the right to embrace at least one girl? Heather or Yuki for example. I understand it would be early but you are amazingly unique in capability at that point, I suppose it does depend on who you sided with but it's not as if you haven't already survived one blood hunt already.

>>716018943
Heather is dead and Yuki would never accept it.
Strauss would never let you add another step to the pyramid when you're so young and still needing guidance
Nines would, but not without a lecture.

>>715998958
i picked up an Anne Rice book in middle school once not having any idea what kind of shit she wrote (it seemed like a generic vampire book) and one of the older woman teachers saw and was like "oh, you like Anne Rice? You like these kinds of books?" and i was like uhh yeah it's pretty alright so far and she left to go do teacher shit and like 3 seconds later i get to a page where seemingly out of nowhere a femboy vampire wearing a dress is making out with another dude vampire (i'd figured out later I was reading like the 4th or 5th book in the series) and suddenly the reason she asked me that all came together, it was probably the most embarrassing shit of my entire 13 year old life up to that point

>>716019260
>Yuki would never accept it
I am going to be 100% with you, I am not going to give her a choice.

>>716019423
She wanted you BAD

>>716019445
Embracing a hunter is just about one of the worst things you can do.

>>716018943
Not yet, but she'd be allowed to live in the chantry with me.

>>716019507
I was chiefly concerned that she thought i was a massive fag

>>716000093
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6--0qHvhXw
I'm not one to usually say
>tfw
while listening to music, but my god the wistfulness in this one song is overpowering

>>716019545
But it would make such a great story
>>716019669
That's interesting I don't know much about the usurpers, would anyone try to fuck with you by killing your ghoul? A rival perhaps.
>>716019707
That depends, did you take her to the supply closet and pound her pus?

>>716019445
>I am not going to give her a choice.
That's a horrible idea, anon
She's gonna turn into a self hating hunter of her own kind and target you in particular.
Beckett actually has one of those.

>>716020191
>target me in particular
Well at least it will keep us together, give us something to do.
>Beckett actually has one of those
Tell me more

>>716020289
Beckett got so pissed at a hunter (who was also a nazi, like an actual third reich nazi) for killing his contact who was going to get him some sweet lost knowledge and all the info he had on the location of said artifacts that he hate embraced her on the spot.

>>716020289
>Well at least it will keep us together, give us something to do.
There's better ways to spend unlife.
> Tell me more
She hasn't shown up in much.
Her name is Marie, she first appearance is in the Beckett graphic novel, where's she's a vampire hunter working with the SS. Beckett embraces her as punishment, but she only ever shows up again in Beckett's Jyhad Diary where she tries to kill him and disappears afterwards.

>>716013645
>Eh, the problem with tremere girls is they're always going to be that nerdy wicca type
Tremere blood magic is heavily based off Hermeticism. If anything, they'd laugh at Witch-tok shit as a bunch of kine nonsense while they perform esoteric "Real" Magic
Which is actually just sorcerer "Hedge" magic but mention that to their face and they'll explode your cock off

>>716020484
>>716020673
Nazi Vampires are always cool, no matter the setting.

>>716005798
>unisex outfits
holy fuck this is bad.

>>716014625
>Hairy pussies are inherently better
based and true.
>It's very rare the chick that has the perfect immie pussy that looks better shaved
i've always been a roast beef guy myself.

>>716020673
>There's better ways to spend unlife
But imagine the fight sex
https://youtu.be/nLnZ-Iz0xNE?t=1740

>>715982197 (OP)
Why would you use those spooky things on the left?

>>715988127
> You are a dude who got mass-embraced
>You are fucked and hunted by a crazy guy

Now
>you are a twink them/they it/her and have a man in your god damn head
>figure it out
such dogshit company. How could they fuck up this game this badly

>>716021941
Gay coded

>>716014625
Hope you like hairy armpits as well

Just cancel it already

>>716022332
>eating pussy is gay
next up, cumming in pussy is gay because you get cum on your dick, and that's gay too.

>>716022414
that's another one that is gay coded so he probably does

>>716022220
A game about vampires ought to have some spookiness

>>716019916
No, she was fat and old and i was a middle achooler

>>715982465
>he looks like a hardcore fag btw
I bet that's what you see in him, gayboy

>>716006106
Obviously male was added last minute

>>715993492
>(deified)
The clans tell tales of him... Few know the truth.

>>715982197 (OP)
I can't wait to play a gay muslim trans woman vampire

post yfw
>ISOLATED

>>716005798
being womanly is BAD!!

>>716026813
it makes troons upset to see feminine women

>>715998384
>now imagine making all your ui elements "4k compliant"
no. fuck 4niggers.

>>715984615
funny, Bloodhunt had a very similar UI as well

>>715984615
it works

>>716020191
the most kino type of hunter

>>715982434
Fpbp, thanks for your service.

>>716003325
because humans, werewolves, and vampires wouldn't be in a party together, retard.

>>716006501
Entropy 2 low level Euthanatos here. I set up some metaphysical domino and 2 weeks later you just get robbed and killed or run over by a bus, no matter your true faith.

>>716030598
I'm afraid I'm gonna have to politely decline.

>>716030868
Oh goddamit I need Prime 2 and Entropy 2?

NWOD mostly sucked shit except for Hunter, which was better than the OWOD version by a mile

>>715985464
>garbage
he said, while posting weak slop

My final message: change da world
goodbye

>>716031029
My final message: change da world
goodbye

>>715998385
permission to cum sir

>>716031531
faggot

>>716031036
Mummy: The Curse is the greatest ttrpg of all time

>>716031737
for me to poop on

>>715988127
Anon, you're retarded. Goth and punk were always left/liberal-leaning movements and aesthetics as they were counter-cultural anti-establishment and anti-Christian. There was no infiltration, this is who the devs always were.

It's the politics and associated aesthetics that have changed and so naturally WoD has changed to follow. This has been been a thing with every fucking edition.

>>715984615
>OH SHIT WE SPENT 8 YEARS DOING FUCKING NOTHING
>emergency meeting to determine what do with the UI
>default Powerpoint document with various talking points at the top, a character render and diamond/square/circle bullet points so that the team can discuss what needs to be done
>Fucks this actually looks pretty good - Some manager with his head up his ass
>Team slaps together UI in a week

>>716002840
It's all just acting at the end of the day long as you separate yourself from the character. I try to keep an even 50/50 split because it helps keep flipping through different character concepts for variety instead of stagnating and getting stuck on one.

Also once you start GMing you inevitably end up needing to RP women anyway if you don't want your setting to be a weird mono-gender hellscape. You really stop giving a shit then.

>>715985271
Probably the best time to release it. Now they won't have the excuse of GTA VI overshadowing them. Better to set the game on its death march and get it over with.

>>716033004
>always left/liberal-leaning
Disingenuous and/or low IQ to pretend that means the same thing then as it meant now.

>>715984615
It's the le minimalism meme. I blame Skyrim. That was the point when AAA devs truly lost all creativity as well.

>>716033417
Read the second half of the post. Point is that there was no infiltration, the people making WoD now are the same sort of people that made it in the 90s, they're just molded by modern flavor of liberal politics rather than the 90s one.

It's why WoD editions have always shifted to match the liberal politics of their times. It's a continuous line, not some sudden change from a hostile takeover. Now the fact that modern liberal politics suck ass is a separate issue.

>>716031172
A reaction image is a reaction image.

New thread.
>>>716036070

As long as the writing and voice acting are good the game will be decent. Exactly like the original, which is a janky outdated mess with poor physics that is entirely unfinished.