Thread 716024437

How do we fix Halo?

>>716024437 (OP)
I have a solution

>>716024437 (OP)
they released a Halo 3 anniversary playlist that was actually incredibly fun and had open voice chat, and honestly, it felt like old-school halo. but nobody really played it or talked about it. my only guess is that they advertised it so poorly, if at all, that it was never able to gain traction or a lot more Halo players give a shit about the story (but not enough at this point to give any new stories a chance) than myself or msoft realized

Say fuck it
Hire some autistic fans to run the damn thing
Let the inmates run the asylum
You got nothing to lose at this point

There's a 20 year gap in the war we barely even cover. Make a side story in this chunk, and so on.
They killed off whatever other interesting factions there were in the external lore.

Don't do this >>716025003

>>716024437 (OP)
>How do we fix Halo?
we don't.

>>716024562
fpbp

>>716024437 (OP)
Get rid of the faggots working on Halo and bring back the booty female Spartans.

>>716028579
I concur

>>716024437 (OP)
You can't and you don't want to, Halo had its run and it was fun, let things die ffs, besides all the actual fans either outgrew gaming or are playing the latest GaaS, just look at these threads, it's always just a bunch of autistic coomers who want an excuse to post their shit instead of talking about the actual games, even if somehow by some miracle the new Halo is old Bungie-tier, modern gamers don't deserve it.

I don't understand why 343 are getting so many chances. Someone is sucking someone else's dick on the daily for how many times they've fucked up yet are given another chance.
As for fixing it? Infinite was actually great. It could have been legitimately awesome. I mean it. It had everything going for it. The only problem was the mismanagement by microsoft, leading to the dev team not being able to pump out actual updates.

Maybe there's a chance now that they're using unreal engine so they can't suffer that particular failure, but I'm not too confident. It'd need to be a feature complete game, with single player, coop, forge, pvp and custom game modes.

I've always thought that if Infinite had Spartan Ops, and occasional drops of new missions from that which organically introduced new characters, it would have been absolutely amazing. However, because the game was a technical mess, that never happened.

Halo needs a few things. It needs to outgrow the Master Chief. Let the guy fade into the background - because as it is, they all but mutilate their own lore to bend the universe around the fucker. Yes, he's cool. But it's time for us to scale down the conflict.

Imagine if you will, an alternative halo infinite where we're playing as, say, Jerome, and he's on the Infinity, and it's out exploring. Something catastrophic happens, and it gets grounded on Zeta Halo, and there's your stakes. Jerome and Red Team have to help get Infinity off of this Halo, and that is the scope of the campaign.

Humanity has been through enough. Stop with the ever-increasing stakes. Just have it be a local issue that COULD spiral out of control. Maybe have it so there's a flood infestation that they're not going to let get out of hand. Let there be a Covenant or Banished splinter faction that got a hold of forerunner tech. The tools to tell a good story are there, but they feel the need to try and jump the shark.

>>716029860
>Humanity has been through enough. Stop with the ever-increasing stakes.
Finally someone says this, idk why 343 always tries to make the new conflict sound worse than the Covenant war, you literally can't come up with something worse than that, 99% of humanity got fucking glassed and the prophet only lost because even the lovecraftian space zombies were shitting their pants and decided to help us

- Retcon everything after 3.

- Game begins with your OC Spartan being taken out of cryo. You're an 18 year old SII washout that got fucked up by augmentation complications that took Halsey 30 years to cure with new medical technology brought in by the human-elite alliance.

The setting and story of Halo is introduced to you as it will have to be introduced to most players.

You have to find Master Chief + deal with pirates and a bunch of different Covenant fragments (the most dangerous one has humans at the center) scrambling for control of the remaining Halos.

>>716029860
>>716030067
Sunk cost fallacy
What are they gonna?
Find another team?
Who do they get?
Make another team?
That's how we got in this mess to begin with
Halo is (was) too big to just let go

>>716024906
the MCC?
it was buggy and had issues swapping between graphics, nevermind the issues with their updated graphics.
multiple minor turnoffs.
people WERE talking about it, so I don't know what the fuck YOU are talking about.

>>716024437 (OP)
Microsoft needs to sell it another company
They will never do this, because microsoft want to have a monopoly, they know that it's the best way to get money

>>716030198
Fair point - and it's not like Bungie are much better off than 343.
See, i'm one of those fags who actually liked halo 4.
One caveat; they never properly changed leadership like they should have. That's what I'm mainly talking about. One fucked up game I can understand, but the consistency of the leadership's blunders are just astonishing.

>>716030092
>retcon everything after 3
this is all they should do. they're fucking retarded for restarting everything from scratch with their supposed CE remake, but it's better than continuing a damaged timeline. I mean shit, they introduced the """silver timeline""" with the shitty tv show, might as well consider 343's era a bronze timeline and restart from where Bungie left off.

>>716030265
Microsoft is more lenient than one would think
They sold the Hi-Fi Rush IP under the condition that they keep publishing rights to the original game so it doesn't get removed from Game Pass
Problem is....this is Halo

>>716024437 (OP)
Theres only one option to save Halo, boomer shooter.

>>716024437 (OP)
>native hostile and non-hostile wildlife
>faster base movement speed
>no need to balance for MP
>larger more open-ended levels with secrets and exploration
>puzzle-solving
>unique boss fights
>Cortana may be more useful and possibly playable in some digital hacking minigame
>return to CE health system
>more unique weapons, vehicles, and grenades that wouldn't work in MP
>return of power-ups
>upgradable Chief
>can use sprint, clamber, and slide for the new kids
>more advanced enemy and ally AI
>battles against Scarabs and other giants
>return of assassinations
>makes us explore to unlock doors
>Warthog Run becomes a stable
>go crazy with Halo's sandbox
>go full singleplayer-only no social nonsense meaning coop or multiplayer
>feels like Halo for a modern era done right
This how you save Halo. By making a proper power fantasy. Don't do this and kiss Halo goodbye.

>>716029860
its literally all xbox has
>if Infinite had Spartan Ops
once again a PVE faggot pipes up as if his dogshit opinion matters. a small fraction of playerbase plays that stuff. infinite has firefight, too - ofc, you wouldn't know that

and halo IS master chief. yeah we could use side characters and stuff, a new game from a different POV could be made, but master chief is the all-but-unspoken protagonist players project themselves into.

even in ODST, you are the rookie - a nobody. in reach, you're a literally who. they're master chief stand-ins
at best, we could get game about the spartan IIIs on onyx while still mantaining the basic gameplay mechanics .

although otherwise i guess i agree with
>Just have it be a local issue that COULD spiral out of control.
but then we can't get le ebin setpieces. there aren't many places you can take the franchise thanks to all the nu-lore about forerunners and whatnot.
you could make a BF3-esque campaign where you follow random spartans-IIs around random deployments before and after reach. it would allow for huge battles, plenty of setpieces, and a lot of variety; but the narrative is already over. chief finished the fight.

>>716030694
nobody wants a fucking immersive sim. fuck puzzles, fuck minigames, fuck exploration

the semi-linear level design of Halo 1 with big arenas w/ multiple approaches is fine, i dont want to spend 10 minutes trudging around looking for more aliens to shoot.

>>716030674
Yup, just as I said in my post >>716030694. It can't do anything else. It's over.

>>716030694
>go full singleplayer-only no social nonsense meaning coop or multiplayer
ah yes get rid of the franchises' biggest reasons for success. that surely wont alienate any of the players

>>716030893
It doesn't matter what you want anymore. Halo ran its course. It was stupid to try to treat campaign and multiplayer equality to the point multiplayer overtook the campaign in importance and it hurt the series. Halo's big mistake was distancing itself from the boomer shooter right after Halo 1 instead of embracing it. I always knew decisions starting with Halo 2 would kill the series and here we are.

Literally just make Halo 3 but with updated graphics, a good forge and firefight?
I dont even give a fuck about campaign at this point, just make the game fun holy fuck why is that so hard?

I dont want to see sprint, ads, double jumping, competitive spam, and call of duty infinite warfare looking ass guns.

>>716024437 (OP)
You can't, it's dead. There hasn't been a good Halo game in like 15 years. All of the people who made it good are gone. 343/Halo Studios is a DEI riddled fucking joke and aren't capable of making a good game. It's fucking over.

>>716031087
you're a fucking idiot
halo 2 is what MADE the series big

>too slow for the COD crowd
>too slow and shallow for the boomer shooter crowd

Halo Infinite couldn't keep up with the pace demanded of the live service crowd because 343 is just a bunch of contractors stacked on top of each other inside a trenchcoat, and its one bright spot was just that COD and Battlefield that year both simultaneously shat the bed. Going up against MWII or Black Ops was out of the question. And now Microsoft solved the live service problem by just now owning Call of Duty.

Really the question is what do they want to do with Halo?
I feel like they kept trying to escalate the conflict post-Halo 3 with even more powerful super evils and just made the whole giant galactic conflict seem even smaller in scale than it should have been, and over-emphasizing Master Chief as a superhero. Doom ran into the same problem hence fighting Cthulhu in Dark Ages. An entire universe of Spartans and they're like Yakuza, too afraid to not use John Halo for the sake of branding.
Do they want to lean more into golden age FPS standards? Balance combat around no regen health and having all guns at once? Faster combat speed? Try to play in a higher weight class of FPS design? I think with the covenant and the other ones using projectile weaponry it could translate pretty well.
If they keep the formula the same, is the switch to Unreal going to do what it's intended to do, keep on-boarding simple and technical/institutional knowledge easily transferred to make multiplayer not have glacial content updates?

Fortnite and COD see big updates every two months. That's your lodestar, that's the market any big live service shooter has to compete in.

>>716030773
Get with the times old man. If you want Halo to be big you have to take lessons from the current big contenders. Spartan Ops are a great way to get people invested in a narrative and to put in looter-shooter elements. Let people grind for cosmetics and shit.
And for the record, I love Arena PVP as well. I still play MCC and Infinite multiplayer. Those parts of it are fine, I was just speaking on what I **wanted** out of a new Halo game. Y'know. The point of this thread.

>>716030971
If you play a game for your friends, then you never really gave a shit about the game to begin with. Halo died because it couldn't be liked as a game like what came before it. It's remembered for being the game you grew up playing with your friends. It died because it's the "you had to have been there" game. If you needed to be there, then the game was never good to begin with.

>>716031196
Halo 1 MADE the series big, Halo 2 ran off of Halo 1 and the fake E3 hype. Overrated, overhyped, made for soccer moms.

>>716025479
The problem is that the spartans don't have shields for most of it, and for some of it they don't even have mjolnir. Then there's no cortana until shortly before reach. That's like half the defining aspects of Halo before getting into the fact you couldn't have any Forerunner stuff until 04.

>>716031391
Your post is a shining example of why Halo fell off, it didn't know what it wanted to be. As you said, there are boomer shooters, there are twitch shooters, and then there is Halo. It can't get anyone because it fails to emulate either.

>>716031609
your youtube anaylsis you watched is wrong zoomer faggot. either that or you have always been out of touch
XBOX LIVE made halo huge. sure Halo 1 had lan parties and shit but Halo 2's easily accessible online gameplay (for what you would refer to as dudebros and soccer moms) is what blew up the series and cemented it as an arguable gayming institution
sorry you couldn't hang with normies but your headcanon is a headcanon

>>716032026
Too bad, COD stole Halo's thunder, this was always going to happen when you dumb down the genre. Someone would make a more casual game, and you wouldn't have an answer for it. Halo's multiplayer-only game will last either a week or a month before it dies. Halo's MP no longer has any staying power, and no e-celeb can save it.

>>716031512
i play halo still. MCC and now recently infinite
you can still play it today, you didn't have to be there
and im sorry you never had friends or siblings or parents to play vidya with, but couch co-op / MP was pretty fun

i know you guys are pretty autistic on this board but you have to realize a HUGE portion of the population likes to enjoy and share experiences with others.

>>716032170
>i know you guys are pretty autistic on this board but you have to realize a HUGE portion of the population likes to enjoy and share experiences with others.
I really couldn't give a shit, I want to enjoy the game for myself, if it needs to be enjoyed with others, it's a bad game.

>>716032239
well then don't buy multiplayer shooters?
i don't think a single truly good SP shooter has been released in a while, though.

>>716032410
Halo was a singleplayer shooter before it became a multiplayer shooter. The moment it became a multiplayer shooter was the moment it became shit. Hopefully, it becoming a singleplayer shooter again finally gets me interested in it again.

Fix it by making a rad ODST game, I will paypig 120 for one.

>>716032164
This is a vast and petty oversimplification.
Call of Duty ditching WW2 and picking a 21st century setting ripped right from the headlines was a big attention grabber. This isn't even the first time "realistic military shooter overshadowing sci-fi shooter" played out. Just seven years prior you saw Counter-Strike scalp arena shooters right out of the starting gate. Realistic military shit is just going to be cooler than obtuse scifi.
The metaprogression and killstreak systems in lieu of CS-style round-based gameplay that COD4 introduced were insanely innovative.
The closest Halo got to that was just making people grind for armor in Halo Reach. That same year Black Ops released and the 360 crowd went for BO1.

Halo was a big fish in a small pond that could laugh off early attempts at aping its success like Killzone, but who couldn't keep up once it had to contend with actual competition.

>>716032963
At that point, Halo should have gave up fighting COD and just went on to take risks, not copying COD, FUCK YOU 343! But take some risks to reignite interest in the series. Halo went COD while also stagnating and that's what hurt it. nuDoom is a good help but Halo needs to forge its own path now.

>>716029435
youre a retard no one who is a giant fan of something for year just automatically outgrows it typically what happens is the new content sucks and they lose interest, or they forget how fun something is because they stopped playing it and then they rememember what they saw in it when they go back to it.


What many of the fans would want is for them to just make authentic new map packs for halo 1 halo 2 and halo 3 using the original dev tools to improve upon and expand the games we know and love. people still play these old games on MCC but we have all played through the same map rotation hundreds of times. you can only play on lockout blood gulch or beaver creak etc so many times before you wish there were more maps.

same thing goes for starwars battlefront 2 2005, i still play it occasionally online with people but we get bored of how its obviously the same maps from 20 years ago. what makes the game fun is modding in fan made maps to revitalize the game. bungie has free money they can make they could sell the map packs as DLC and people would buy them. they only need like 2 guys to make more halo 1 maps. that would be the fucking easiest to make. this applies to all older games people still play. instead of remaking the game they can test the waters just making new content for old games since they want you to buy the newest port on every console ANYWAY. remember resident evil 4 mercenaries mode? capcom could have given us more mercenaries maps in the new game and couldnt even be bothered to do THAT for the REMAKE let alone maybe giving one of the 20 re releases of re4 some more merc maps since many people just play that exclusively. i have not bought a capcom game in years because the quality just isnt the same--- but if they actually expanded old games with new content you bet your ass i would buy it. those games are better.

We don't, it's fucked beyond repair.

>>716024562
>>716027125
>>716028579
>>716028676
this
also make it M rated and bring back the flood. No sprint, no weapon bloom, no DMR, BR starts and balanced map design around power weapons and vehicles. also bring back Invasion
also make a good fucking campaign.
also fire Melissa Boon, its obvious from Halo Infinite she has no idea what the fuck she's doing.
also make little collectible things for MP rank so that autistic people like me have something to grind for.

>>716033147
in infinite a huge portion of the maps in smaller modes are maps made in forge. bungie's had player-made maps since H3 lol

>>716033407
>wants the characters to look like this
>also specifically wants the tentacled flood back
wonder what anon is cooking up

>>716033147
Not going to bother reading that, i'm going to sleep

>>716033147
a bunch of posters here aren't halo fans
>t. got tired of BF and COD and started playing halo again

>>716033496
i dont know what point you are arguing. my point i was arguing is that halo 1 halo 2 and halo 3 could use new official maps that are visually unique. AKA polished memorable products. not shit tier forge crap that all looks the same. most forge maps i just find depressing to look at.

>>716033567
sweet dreams big man

also can we get playable female Sangheili? and give them big hips and big butts. you'll have to ask a xenobiologist if they should have boobs or not. or just ask Vien.

>>716033724
Canonically female Elites are a fair bit bigger than the males and are extremely thicc and fertile.

>>716033407
I know what you are

>>716033724
Give them boobs because it's hot, you don't need a reason beyond that.

>>716033762
didnt cortana say something to master chief in one of the books for him to avoid detection because the female elites were in mating season and they were twice as fast as the normal ones? perhaps im misremembering this but i distinctly remember choking on my coffee reading that line in the food area of a barnes and nobles. luckily i had already bought the book because i got coffee all over the page and the table.

>>716033616
yeah i agree. the forge maps were really bad in reach and 4; i didnt play 5 that much. at least in 3 foundry and sandbox, which were visually distinct from each other
i haven't fucked with infinite's forge mode at ALL, but there's a few different styles it seems.

halo custom edition was the shit, though. i wonder if anyone still plays it. i loved the warthog race maps, as crappy as the physics were

>>716024562
>>716028579
>>716028676
>>716033407
these

>>716024437 (OP)
Get back to CE formula and easthetic.
Make a cool story, make it fun to replay the game.
Make cool unlockable stuff and cool bonus modes.
Make cool music, cool sound design.
Avoid woke shit at all cost, aim for cool shit.

Also we need a large scale version of the Silent Cartographer begining attack, and more huge scale battles with vehicles.

>>716038694
Yup, this

>>716024437 (OP)
Non-woke company buys Halo and doesn't hire women devs.
Then we have to wait 4-8 years for something to come out.
So yeah, saving Halo is an unrealistic fantasy.

>>716038694
How Microsoft read your post...
>Get back to CE formula and easthetic.
>Make a woke story, make it unfun to replay the game.
>Make expensive unlockable stuff and boring bonus modes 3 years after release.
>Make cheap music, passable sound design.
>Avoid based shit at all cost, aim for woke shit.

>>716038694
its very simple
if a nerd in the late 90s or early 2000s wouldnt think something was cool, or that his friends who would play his game wouldnt think it was cool, he wouldnt put it in. this is the filter. mentally be that nerd. these guys making these legendary games were also just normal ass guys who liked scifi and shit. the sort of guy who probably watched old star trek and grew up watching the OT starwars trilogy and possibly read the books and such.

I think these guys just made games that they wanted to play that they thought other people like them would want to play too.

>>716039189
NTA but whenever people talk about that "stop killing games" thing, i cant help but think of halo infinite with its 20.00 skins. i have no idea what those people are going to do if suddenly the 100.00s of dollars they spent on overpriced cosmetics suddenly find out they no longer have access to this shit. by making each thing so individually expensive you are implying to the player that this will be around for a long time. if they were to pull the plug next year or the following year im sure a lot of people would have a meltdown. the issue is that 343 legally CAN do this whenever they want. if a game isnt guranteed to be around anyway there is no sense buying shit for the online only component especially 20.00 skins that should be free anyway. not 100 different expensive purchases so no one can feasibly have everything they want without effectively paying for 3 games.

>>716024437 (OP)
saddam style coup

>>716024437 (OP)
Bring back dual wielding and playable elites and add playable brutes. Also ACTUALLY LAUNCH A FINISHED GAME with all features and game modes. Like why the fuck wasn't forge in 5 or infinite at launch?
Fuck at this point give halo to Certain Affinity and Saber while having Blur Studio do the cutscenes.

>>716030694
Also bring back dual wielding and give Chief a double barrel shotgun

>>716039767
>dual wielding
No, that fucked the game up, yes, even singleplayer. It looks cool but not in practice.