Thread 716118846

Cut the worst game in this image

>>716118846 (OP)
4 easy

>>716118846 (OP)
you could cut all 4 and nothing of value would be lost

IV

V

it's strange journey.

demon co-op is inferior to press turn and funnels party building options into fixed branches based on alignment, and it has the worst music of the three

>>716118846 (OP)
Vengeance, this game was the P5 of the main series. Now the community is full of trannies and tourists. This thread is a great example, people unironically choosing anything other thas this dogshit of an open world slop game

>>716118846 (OP)
IV or SJ

>>716118846 (OP)
easy, it's the bingshit

>>716118846 (OP)
VV

>>716119827
>game is bad because... it's LE TRANNY SLOP
okay

>>716118846 (OP)
IV or V but V is gayer so that

4 was bad
and stranje journey was so-so

strange journey was pure lowbudget downgrade from ps2 games. ps2 games has like 200+ different models, spells, and they gave you literally pictures after that, made on etrian odyssey engine, what a shit it was. but well, as etrian odyssey spin-off it was kinda okay

but what a waste it was, when after years of high-budget smt games we got not ps3/x360 AAA smt games, but shitty pictures games for nds/3ds

>>716118846 (OP)
I remember I hated 4. but I should replay it now

at least SMTV is on a home console and not a shitty handheld game console.

>>716118846 (OP)
4

>>716118846 (OP)
Strange Journey!

>>716118846 (OP)
easy

It's Nocturne.
You could argue none of the rest of the games would exist without Nocturne and you'd be right but out of those it's a game I'd have the least fun trying to play again

>>716118846 (OP)
Strange journey, but I'm not happy about it

>>716119827
This. We should just to back to the days of dressing nanashi in a maid outfit.

>>716118846 (OP)
5

>>716122813
It's not even a lack of features, I love nocturne but it tries hard to frustrate you. I had more fun playing 2 on snes

Hate "attack weak point to win." Soul Hackers was the last SMT game.

>>716122813
I thoroughly dislike Nocturne. Do I appreciate it? Sure do. Did I enjoy it when I played? More or less. Would I play through it again? Fuck no. I hate the vortex world in general, which is why I also disliked V.

>>716118846 (OP)
Okay

>>716123067
>press "go" to win: the game

IV, you can tell the new team was just getting their bearings on how to make an SMT game also the dungeons were laughable. Outside of Minotaur and Medusa everything can be steamrolled with demon whisper and buff autism.

>>716123320
Also the guest artists were really fucking bad. 4A improved on practically everything

>>716123592
absolute fucking retard alert.
>Hmmm yes let's take art from all the experts in the field of creature design and run them through that retard Doi's talentless hack fraud generic anime slop style
You NEED to fucking kill yourself. I bet you also talk about how Crunchyroll's dubs are superior and how Power Rangers made Toku good

Don't open your fucking mouth about things you don't understand.

>>716123592
Yeah hoo boy, those archangels designs, no thank you. Also the same dude that did those redesigned bosses for FFXIV's Ivalice crossover raids and yeah, it shows.

>>716118846 (OP)
aren't they all the same game?

>>716123764
vv Designs look worse.

>>716123812
Only VV is different, it has trannies and a dogshit story.

>>716123764
oof.... yikes... that just ain't it, chief. When I see designs like that that aren't just copypasted anime girls or colored animals it makes my vagina angry! It's edgy, triggering, and lowkey problematic!

I see the shitposter is in this thread...

>>716123915
>He thinks I like the Doi demons

>>716123860
>>716123915
meds

>>716123764
I don't understand. What emotion did you think this picture would evoke in me? I remember some dumbfucks getting mad that the SMT4 designs weren't just hyperliteral interpretations of mythology, like Centaur not just being a barafag with a horse ass. Is that what this is? If so, you're the main reason Shin Megami Tensei is a dead franchise. I hate that Persona brought in tourists who think that SMT should be a playable version of the mythology book their mommy bought them at the Schoolastic Book Fair.

>>716124047
it is what it is chief

>>716124047
yall... I just.... I can't even...

all the people claiming it's III , IV or SJ are samefaggot phonefags btw. Shows you how insane VVtroonies really are.

Welcome to the age of ragebait. They are probably brown zoomers too.

>>716124089
>being this mad because I simply don't like over designed bosses
His redesign for Yiazmat is sick and fits his artsyle but even if I compliment one of his redesigns I know some other faggot like yourself will call me cringe. So theres no winning here is there,

>>716123764
Looks like the final boss of an old final fantasy game

>>716124265
No seriously I cannot remotely comprehend what's got you triggered so hard about him.

>>716124265
It's literally one dude with a hateboner against V samefagging.
Just abandon the thread or ignore him, he's been doing that since V released.

>>716124375
maybe V is not on par with IV,SJ or Nocturne?

>>716124375
>It's literally one dude with a hateboner against V samefagging.
are you fucking illiterate? We're talking about IV you goddamn fucking baby. Suck my dick and go find somewhere else to wallow in your persecution complex. And yes V is a fucking abortion but we all knew that.

>>716124375
>Its a frequent autism shitposter
Well shit, I fell for the bait hook line and sinker I guess. Alright good talking to you guys.

>>716124426
>taps out of conversation after being humiliated by accusing people of being imaginary trolls

you literal fucking headcase

>>716124265
I'm glad nobody takes you serious anymore.

>>716118846 (OP)
IV is the worst by far and it's not even a contest.

SJ has the best combat (press-turn is boring as fuck) even if the dungeon design never evolves or gets interesting, same as Nocturne where you're just running through boring grid hallways fighting a bunch of filler mobs (though at least Nocturne had some fun puzzles like the Obelisk, can't even remember if SJ had puzzles or anything remotely involving another activity). VV is the only one there that truly has good level design. You have an actual jump button so there's platforming with a good emphasis on verticality in the overworld with lots of exploration for secrets and stuff to interact with and no shitty random encounters. Same applies to the dungeons. It's an proper 3D game instead of the bastardization jokes called IV and Nocturne which are just 2D games but played in 3D.

>>716124557
>VV is the only one there that truly has good level design. You have an actual jump button so there's platforming with a good emphasis on verticality in the overworld with lots of exploration for secrets and stuff to interact with and no shitty random encounters.

This has to be a troll

>>716124596
It's not. I'm just not a idiot and understand level design.

>>716124557
Nocturne has one or two dungeons with fun gimmicks and the rest is just teleporter mazes which suck because there's no thought to them, just memorization and trial and error.

>>716124630
You are a souless chink, open world with 300 things to collect is not good level design, a dungeon crawler that's well designed is better in every single possible way.

Either you are a troll or a low IQ retard, either way i refuse to partake on this conversation. I'm out of this absolute dogshit thread

>>716118846 (OP)
strange journey EASILY. fucking dogshit ass game and only one of the 4 I didn't finish. it was a slog and the battle system was trash.
>>716119310
agreed

>>716123735
I don't watch crunchyroll and I'm sorry I offended you if your dad did the art for medusa or something but those designs are garbage. Even of doi pales in comparison to kaneko hes still better than shit like this. Wtf were they thinking with the guest designs

>>716123764
Yeah the angels suck.

>>716124761
>>716119310
filtered

>>716124557
>SJ has the best combat
Stopped reading there. Genuine troll

>>716124705
Yeah, that's why I only liked the Obelisk and the Diet Building. They are the only ones with a fun puzzle/gimmick. Everything else is laughably fucking boring. It's amazing how much Fatlus loves to spam their teleporters. This shit is not engaging or interesting and never will be in their games.

>>716124723
Everything you wrote is wrong.
>I'm out of this absolute dogshit
No you're not.

>>716118846 (OP)
Shin Megami Tensei V

>>716124813
Again, I cannot comprehend what you're chimping out about. What triggers you about that image?

>doi
>better than anybody
laughable. He ruined every design he touched. Killed the entire SMT franchise.

>>716124815
filtered by how dogshit and boring the game is? sure. Also the game insists on itself. so many times it should have ended but it keeps fucking going.

>>716124925
filtered

>>716124908
>What triggers you about that image
I'm not triggered, the anon I'm responding to who's frothing at the mouth and going on about crunchyroll like I even understand his insults seem to be upset I don't like designs that are clearly out of place and are genuinely ugly?

>>716118846 (OP)
I hate all SMT games. I dont play JRPGs for nothing or shit stories.

I'm sorry, V, you need to go.
Your human interactions in a world of demons sucks even in Vengeance. Good gameplay at least.
World building of IV was much better, Nocturne is a classic you tried to copy and Strange Journey is just perfect.

Shin Megami used to had men

>>716125025
why would i want that? sounds homo as hell.

>>716124978
All jrpgs have shit stories

>>716122813
Nocturne saved the gameplay of Megaten, although a good script wouldn't have damaged them

>>716125025
He literally spend his time jobbing.

>>716124958
"Out of place" of what? What is "ugly" about it? You seem illiterate so let me explain things to you:

You are a tourist. You are an outsider who doesn't understand something who has forced xherself into a franchise that does not want or welcome you. Then you have the audacity to pretend that you know better than those of us who were here first.

This, my illiterate friend, is why you are like a Cruncyroll hoodweeb. You have forced yourself onto a franchise, as an outsider, and are telling us that "actually, the thing I don't understand is bad!"

You don't know anything about art. You don't know anything about character design. You are a big lipped monkey throwing your feces at the screen because things aren't the same and you don't like things that are different.

I earnestly wish death upon you with all my heart. I wish we had camps for people like you.

>>716125018
V is made for people that don't like SMT

>>716125209
>You don't know anything about art.
Did someone leave a meam comment on your smt4 fan art page or something? Take your meds tranny, the guest art sucks

SJ is the only SMT game with a good ost, like holy shit I wanna blow my brains out everytime I hear off key synth autism mixed with some lady whaling. Of the 200 songs on Vs ost list, like 5 are listenable

>>716125376
>It's bad because.... it just is okay!
incredible wit and mental acuity, just as I'd expect from a Doinig.

>>716124878
Press-turn isn't a good combat system. It always easily snowballs into one-sided annihilation that's not well-developed. Crafiting an entire game around vulnerabilities is a bad mechanic because they not only dictate what moves you should use at all times, but also how you should build your party; which changes the entire dynamic of the fight into locking you into a bottleneck of spamming the same optimal tools. Binary weakness spam is just arbitrary, it doesn't make something stronger or have tools be more interesting/effective. It's just boring.

>>716125414
>holy shit I wanna blow my brains out
please do. Do us all a favor.

>>716125430
>leave the shitty artists alone

>>716125414
worst opinion ITT

>>716125414
>SJ is the only SMT game with a good ost,
SJ has the worst ost in mainline unironically

>>716125451
Press turn is necessary, without a sense of momentum turn based gameplay would be boring as hell. Like final fantasy 10 and below

>>716125502
Literally the premier creature designers in Japan, but since they aren't westernized pauldron dragons they MUST be bad! I don't like things that are different!

Fucking retarded ape. Drink bleach.

>>716125546
No, it's just boring and not an engaging battle system.

>>716125451
I like SJ but this is retarded. SJ has the worst battle system of the lot because it's boring. People like Press Turn because it's engaging and speedy. SJ combat is just bog standard NES RPG combat.

>>716123592
>4A improved on practically everything
Not the writing

>>716125248
what does that even mean? it's just as SMT as nocturne and 4.

>>716125539
I figured it out, whenever an SMT mega virgin says an ost is great, it just means the exact opposite! Sorry music needs melody, it can't just be screamo emo fag synth bullshit for 100hrs

>>716125575
>still seething
Pic related is garbage, sorry

>>716125502
>Scorsese is a hack I only like epic and cool directors like based Zack Snyder
>I am an informed and educated consumer and my opinion matters!

>>716125680
It's made for mentally deficient zoomtards

>>716125693
>It's bad because it's different
Articulate why. Use your words.
you can't.

Honestly you sound black.

IV or V, zero difficulty whatsoever and trash dungeons.

>>716125693
why complain about toku designs when Doi does the same with demons like Odin and Zeus

>>716125637
>engaging and speedy
Applies more to SJ. That bog standard combat is more preferable to PT, it's a terrible gimmick Fatlus keeps rehashing. You're less encouraged to use other tactics like sending everybody to sleep, then using Eternal Rest to instant kill them. Because raw DPS with weakness spam on mobs or spamming criticals in the later parts of the game wins out as it's more reliable, stronger, and just more efficient.

>>716125754
>covered in belts with leather like he's a final fantasy character
>shitty colour choice
>looks like a cancer patient
Actually laughable design. Meanwhile the 4 law Angel's are over designed to shit which looks even worse on a tiny 3ds screen.

>>716125865
Those are bad too. I'm not a fan of doi, I just think he's marginally less worse than these shitty designs. The Zeus one especially is just bizarre

>>716125865
Doi doesn't do toku designs he just does flat bodysuits and anime girls.

>>716125741
how?! it's still turnbased, has the same mechanics as any other mainline. nothing in it seems zoomercoded. just say you are a retard and go.

>>716125637
It's the only game that doesn't reward you for using a single braincell.
Press turn is way overtuned in your favor.
IV has smirk, which is trash.
V has the extra magatsuhi skills which trivialize any encounter.
No, having 2 hard encounters as extra bosses doesn't fix this, they are boring to play most of the time because you steamroll through them.

>>716125960
SJ has no strategy or mechanics to make it engaging. it's just press a simulator. no braincells needed. you break press turn by using your brain, with your comps, you win the battle by planning your team before the battle starts. that's kino.

>>716118846 (OP)
IV and V are both garbage
Nocturne and SJ are kino

>>716125936
You spam hamao for 1/4th of the game. No random battles, horrendous collectaton mechanics, shitty bosses, chinese last level, dogshit safe story, completly and absolutely braindead game for ADHD retards

>>716126037
>you break press turn by using your brain,
Nta but for press turn to work well you also need well designed bosses. While mainline is fine for the most part, some bosses like nocturne having the gimmick of "I give myself more turns" doesn't really fix how one sided it is. I hope they get creative in smt6

>>716125912
>covered in belts with leather like he's a final fantasy character
why is this a problem? You didn't articulate a problem you described the image.
>shitty colour choice
Again, you fundamentally lack the words to articulate your point. What is "shitty" about something being pale and wearing gold clothes?
>looks like a cancer patient
...and? Why should this character NOT look withered and deformed?
>Actually laughable design
Assertion without backing.
>over designed
Meme word used almost exclusively by Pokemon fans for when they get mad about something having more than 1 color on its body.

I'm sorry friend but you're out of your depth here. A dimwit with delusions of midwit grandeur, trying to police a field you have no fundamental understanding of, to the point that you lack even the language to articulate your basic points.

To use words you might recognize- Actually laughable argument.

>>716126094
>No random battles
Good.

>>716126094
>No random battles
This is a good thing and luckily we'll never go back to this.

>>716126143
yeah beast/dragon eye is such a dogshit gimmick to give bosses a shit ton of turns in a row.

>>716126203
>>716126195
We don't need your kind, go play something else.

>>716126246
you lost cuck. go play smt 2 on some emulator, your kind is replaced.

>>716126246
People who like random encounters or think it's unironically good game design needs to kill themselves. You're genuinely stupid and nothing you say about RPGs will matter. You grew up playing a limited era of console JRPGs, where the design choice was due to laziness and incompetence rather than actual insight.

>>716126283
Gamers and Nerds? Oh no imagine the horror of wanting games to be for the demographic they are intended.

If you cut IV you're an autist who can't appreciate good atmosphere.
If you cut SJ you got filtered by an actual dungeon crawler.
If you cut VV you're a faggot who thinks a story in a game is more important than the gameplay.
If you cut Nocturne you're a contrarian.

>>716126324
>random encounters
There's a reason why people soiface after getting a shinyponyta. RNG is the spice of life, people that design actual good video games understand this. You are not meant to have everything all the time

>>716126159
>pokemon
>crunchyroll
>dimwit with delusions of grandeur
I was memeing earlier but you might actually be that fedora wearing unwashed fat fuck. No idea why you're so emotionally invested in these shitty designs, maybe its your autist fixation. Luckily those shitty designs never made a return in mainline post 4a. For comparison here's a good Lucifer design.

>>716126410
>>random encounters
are shit, yes.

>>716126246
When was the last smt with random encounters released?

>>716126418
>no argument
>crashes out
lol

>>716126405
>If you cut SJ you got filtered by an actual dungeon crawler.
Dead genre for a reason. good riddance

>>716126462
SJ and IVA

>>716118846 (OP)
I can't read the top left one so that I guess, the rest are SMT which I know are good games(despite playing)

>>716126410
>There's a reason why people soiface after getting a shinyponyta.
Only children do this. If you do this as an adult you need to be put down like cattle

>>716126495
IVA doesn't have randoms.

>>716126410
>There's a reason why people soiface after getting a shinyponyta. RNG is the spice of life, people that design actual good video games understand this.
>soiface=good
>pokemon=good
>rng=good
yeah just kill yourself retard. holy fuck I can't believe some gamers unironically think like this..

>>716126470
>this excessive of leather belts is ugly
>uhh no fuck you
Great response

>>716126504
You don't get to use that tranny argument when you like a game that hasd 300 minmons to collect and ubitowers. VV and V are designed around wasting your time, the entire game is watered down with the only interesting thing being the bosses. "interesting"

>>716126575
>this excessive of leather belts
ESL

>>716126495
>IVA
Excuse me?

>>716126567
RNG is the the DnD/RPG Seal of Quality. You don't belong to this type of game, you shouldn't be the main audience, you just want graphics to watch your waifu spam hamao.

>>716126598
>still no actual response
You're obviously an obsessive obese faggot in his mid 30s so I'll leave you to it.

>>716126661
i repeat
>>716126470

>>716126592
>the entire game is watered down with the only interesting thing being the bosses. "interesting"
But enough about 4

>>716126592
>VV and V are designed around wasting your time
They literally have the least amount of RNG of any mainline SMT game so no.
Meanwhile, everyone fucking hated Fiends hunting in IV

>>716126697
4 has a great good story, good characters and dungeons doe

>>716126735
>They literally have the least amount of RNG
How is that related to what i said? Go collect the 300 minmans you drooling retard

>>716126592
>>716126632
>ubitowers
Oh, I was wondering why you're so fucking stupid. It really is the obsessed Vshitposter.

>>716126782
Still easier and faster than Fiend hunting.

>>716126738
>dungeons
4 has no dungeons save the final one railroading you to the final boss
>story
Good setup wasted post tokyo reveal
>characters
There's nothing unique or interesting about them. Even the alignment reps are utterly forgettable

>>716126821
Don't forget the ubitowers abscesses

>>716126632
>RNG is the the DnD/RPG Seal of Quality
Outside of Nat 1 and 20, you have a massive amount of ways to mitigate RNG to the point it barely matter.
And DnD is literally entry-level tabletop RPG.

>>716126817
His style is really easy to recognize and he outed several times over the years as someone who only play games on youtube, if even that.

>>716126632
Are you literally the same retard arguing with everyone in this thread including the IV art argument? Jfc we need unique ids on posts

>>716127003
He's a known phoneposter as well, wouldn't help much.

>>716127003
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person

ACTUAL schizo behavior. Get help.

>>716127034
The sheer volume of weaponized autism coming from a phone is impressive.

>>716127042
I'll stop responding to you now but please take your own advice

>>716127092
that's right anon the magic phone is talking to you. Also you're being gangstalked by elvis who's trying to flouridate your DNA for reptilians

>>716127003
>the guy on the reply chain that's discussing minman and how VV is designed as a shitty timewaster is a samefag
Go collect your minman retard, you get the lowIQ retard game you deserve.

>>716118846 (OP)
Easily 4.

>>716127268
Definitely not samefagging.

>>716118846 (OP)
IV
but if it was IVA I would unironically cut out nocturne

>/v/ pre-2016 loved SMTIV and Nocturne
>great SMT threads
>/v/ post zoomer redditor invasion hates SMTIV and Nocturne
>Dogshit threads

This tells me everything i need to know. VV is the worst one cause it caters to the worst

>>716128010
pure sexo. makes smtvv easily the best smt game so far

>>716128030
this is bullshit because I love smt4 and nocturne then and love smt4 and smtvv now. only smt game that was dogshit was SJ

>>716118846 (OP)
Nocturne

>>716128097
the strongest entry is actually the worst, totally sister

>yet another thread that's just OLD GOOD NEW BAD
Digital Devil Saga 1&2 are significantly better than Nocturne btw.

>>716128284
>OLD BAD NEW GOOD
i hate your kind

>>716118846 (OP)
Nocturne is the worst by far, it just has the FFX effect of being an entire generation's first exposure to the series and is therefore carried by a disproportionate amount of nostalgia.

>>716128309
Anon getting mad about video games again

>>716128309
It's the troon way to invalidate criticism on new shittier games that cater to a wider audience.

>>716128284
>>716128159
>>716128094
>>716128010
samefag

I'm kind of surprised to see all the IV hate. That was my first SMT game (besides Persona if you count that) and the one that got me into the franchise so I have a fond place in my heart for it. Even the wonky out of place designs like the Archangels and Medusa I liked. I felt the angels were much closer to a biblical depiction than the other games. Also, getting to Underground Tokyo for the first time and discovering the truth of your world was a really cool moment, and the general exploration in that game is still really good. The world is packed with little bits of dialogue, world building, puzzles and locations that can easily be missed and figuring out the mystery of Tokyo and the factions had me more engaged than the story of Nocturne and V (at least before the final parts of each game). Is hating on IV a new Zoomer trend or is this just the new bandwagon contrarian thing?

>>716128219
fuck off tranny, SJ is literal dogshit and it's story can not save it.

>>716128431
it was not really well regarded at the time though most of that was the retarded seething about guest artists. I didnt like it because the beginning felt Persona-ey but once you get to Tokyo it changes a lot for the better. I never beat it though.

>>716128485
SJ will always be considered the strongest entry, keep malding.

>>716128431
It's just a knee jerk reaction because 4 enjoyers in this thread have been literal trannies. 4 gets a lot of love and blasted/infernal tokyos was kino. The new demon designs are kinda shitty though.

>>716128284
>DDS
lmao, the first one sucks ass and is only loved by people who want to feel different
>DDS2
Never played and never will, the first one was enough suffering for a lifetime

>>716128527
By who? retards and tranny? no thanks you can keep that trash.

>>716128423
>triggered by the most hetero coomer smt
Only tranny here is (you)

>>716128094
Mermaid... ToT

>>716128431
>Is hating on IV a new Zoomer trend or is this just the new bandwagon contrarian thing?
No, it's called a god taste thing. The game has the worst teration of press-turn and the exploration sucks shit. Blasted/Infernal Tokyo is the only good part of the game and those are just linear setpieces.

>>716128565
zoomtard tranny malding

>>716128659
>buzzword buzzword buzzword
you sound more like a zoomer. Use words retard, come on I believe in you.

>>716128431
>I felt the angels were much closer to a biblical depiction than the other games.
And you literally wrong on that point, the 4 great Archangels all look human because they were all lower rank angels who were promoted because they fought the hardest against Lucifer when he rebelled.
And all of the low ranking angels look like beautiful human because they were the one in charge of contacting human.

>>716128637
>No, it's called a god taste thing
It is 100% a zoomer contrarian take. This board loved IV before you retards arrived to shit on everything.

>>716128284
>Digital Devil Saga 1&2 are significantly better than Nocturne btw
Correct opinion. None of the cazzies have played those howbeit, because it's not required to achieve modern SMT superfan status.

>>716128713
DDS are extremely boring games

>>716128431
>Is hating on IV a new Zoomer trend or is this just the new bandwagon contrarian thing?
New tranny bandwagon. Since VV (and even V) the community has been full of these faggots who only care about shipping Nahobino with every male character imaginable and, of course, they'll get mad at your for calling their shit game shit

>>716128812
100% this except Nocturne and Strange Journey.

>>716128705
No, it's just a mediocre game. You have bad taste and crying about about zoomers doesn't change. But do ahead and tell me a game that's as braindead as SMT1/2, with dungeon design as shitty as demon domains where puzzles and interactivity are non-existent, where going up and down different areas requires a context prompt instead of just being able to jump, is a well-designed and engaging game.

>>716128816
Fujo have been shipping various characters since Nocturne for over 2 decades.

>>716128991
yup, another contrarian zoomer take that tries to ragebait for no reason whatsoever.

>>716128816
Literal Barry and Eric tier

>>716128502
>>716128537
I guess I can understand the style hate because lots of designs clash with the game and each other being from different artists, but idk. To me that gives the game a unique identity compared to the other games in the franchise.

>>716128637
I'm interested on why you find the exploration shitty because I don't agree at all, especially compared to the other games.

>>716128702
I was referring specifically to the archangels. They have some human features, like faces and stuff, sure, but in no way do they look human. Particularly Merkabah.

>>716128537
>trannies out of nowhere
obsessed
>The new demon designs are kinda shitty though.
How? Use your words. And this time try a little harder than "belts" and "uh its bad"

>>716125414
miyako sex

>>716128816
VV was a mistake

>>716129064
>I was referring specifically to the archangels. They have some human features, like faces and stuff, sure, but in no way do they look human.
And they should have, it's literally how it is in the same very book that people always refer to when they think of "biblically accurate angels" when it's not even in the bible.
You would have a point if it was just Merkabah.

>>716129225
>muh bible
lol so this whole time all the seethe you've been spewing about the designs was because they didn't fit the way your monster manual said you had to pretend they looked? HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

>>716118846 (OP)
4. V would have lost if it was vanilla but since it is Vengeance it SLIGHTLY edges out.

>>716129308
That's not even my argument you fucking retard and i'm not shitting on a game in particular you seething troon.

stop calling transexuals fujos, they are disgusting mentally ill men

>>716129470
>troon
you keep using that word. Why are you trying to force your fetish into this conversation?

>>716128431
I think it is just relativity, i can only speak for myself but i like all 4 of the games, but at the end of the day i liked 4 "the least".

Let me put it this way, the worst pile of gold is still a pile of gold, just like how the best mound of shit is still a mound of shit.

>>716129509
Blame the fags shitting on V first then.

SJ is the culmination of oldschool SMT
Nocture was the first step into the 3D world but it gets kinda dull
IV/IVA are great games with great bossfights

V/VV are shitty games made for malnourished trannies that are still trying to convince others of how great it is because of ships and animations and i wish i was joking

>>716129540
I understand your point, and I would agree if there weren't people in the thread already making it seem like IV was a dogshit game in general and not just the worst of the OP's choices. But I guess that's just overreacting ragebaiting /v/ in general.

Out of Nocturne, IV and VV though I feel like they all have individual strengths and weaknesses, but none are clearly better than the other. SMT is a weird series where they don't really iterate or massively change things between entries aside from QoL stuff so everything is more down to personal taste.

>>716129798
This.
V and VV would be decent if they had some good dungeons, unfortunately all they have is a shit open world with awful "dungeons" and a combat that is slightly worse than IVA. The OST has some bangers though

>>716129064
>I'm interested on why you find the exploration shitty
It's very boring. Since going 3D SMT has had awful level and dungeon design because it never makes use of 3D space prior to V. You have a semi-nonlinear large field map with lots of locations, but said locations don't have much meat to them. The dungeons are just straight lines like the Demon Domains. Regular areas like the towns and parks are very small and don't contain much to collect or interact with. There's no verticality, going up and down areas is just contextual prompt you find. There's barely any branching and looping paths with totally optional areas, it's just linear hallways that are slightly wide. The addition of no randoms is good, but not good enough, since they don't actually have different properties. They just bumrush when they see you or sometimes ambush you. The homogeneity of the ruined Tokyo environments sucks even if I liked the cyberpunk the most out of all the games. It's one big ruined urban hellscape with a few Domains™ and the endgame area squished in. There's sidequests and they don't really contribute to the gameplay.

>>716129935
I'm sure if you samefag some more it will became true.

>>716130032
You can add that Nocturne has a 1st person mode, which back up your post very well.

How do people feel about Raidou Remastered. I got a 3 hour plane flight coming up, and honestly it seems like it would be the perfect game to pass the time on my Switch and get sucked into another SMT. I know it's more action oriented but I don't mind that.

>>716130112
Whatever you say tranny

>>716130136
I was always surprised IV and Final didn't have that option as well. Might because it's not entirely grid-based.

>>716122813
Agreed

>>716118846 (OP)
V: the tranny simulator
it killed the series and i doubt it will ever recover

>>716130403
I only hope they don't fuck up EOVI

>>716130032
where is the uncensored version?

>>716118846 (OP)
IV but it's pretty close. Haven't played since we talked about it on release (/v/ loved IV) but all I remember now is the awful Lucifer redesign and demon domains being very boring. Maybe I should replay and finally beat IVA

>>716130250
It's divisive because of some script changes (mostly related to Imperial Japan and in the last dungeon) and censorship (Lamia got covered and Artemis has a black void under her skirt, people saying preta didn't play the original because he was already like that there) and some places have weir, if not ugly visual but overall it's a massive improvement over the original with a massive amount of QoL that make the game a bit too easy.
Play both if you can but if you can only play one, play the remaster, the combat in the original is REALLY bad.

>>716130480
It's going to be a semi-open world with horrendous character writing and 600 etriamsminis to collect. Enjoy tons of QoL "upgrades"

>watch old movie
>wow this old movie is great and still holds up
>play old game
>this fucking sucks so much ass
VV is the best
Strange journey
IV
Nocturne
I had fun with Nocturne in like 2010 but I don't even want to open it now

>>716118846 (OP)
Once you reach tokyo, 4 is just plain awful.

>>716130604
Only my eyes are allowed to view my Megami naked.

Not really feeling V (original campaign) to be honest. I enjoyed it at first but I'm at the fairy village and I just feel less and less motivated to play it than I did at the earlier areas.

>>716130032
I 100% agree with you for the Domains, they are essentially just randomly generated corridors with nothing of interest and were disappointing. The towns and parks and crafted dungeons I disagree with you though. The verticality and secret passageways in a bunch of areas felt fun to explore for me personally. Take just the very first dungeon in the game for instance (Naraku? Is that what it's called, can't remember). They do a pretty good job of creating interactivity between floors by having areas you can jump down to a lower floor, putting you in a different spot to explore, having secret passages leading to chests/other optional areas that aren't readily apparent on how to get to, and a general labyrinthine feel where following the correct path isn't just simply following one path. And yes, the chests or reqards are usually just relics or items that you don't really need but show me a single RPG where this isn't the case. And for all the areas they are small due to the limitations of the 3DS, but they make use of the space well by having all these interactive environmental pieces as well as people to talk to and items to find and side quests. At least that's how I feel. I would argue that, despite being bigger, VV's dungeons feel much more empty and less fun to explore. And for Nocturne they have more creative dungeons for sure (the flipping ceiling/floor one remains my favorite to this day out of all the games), but less things to find or interact with inside the dungeons.

>>716130678
Because your brain is fried, you don't have what it takes to be patient with a game anymore. You shouldn't be the main demographic, you need to move on.

>>716130628
Thanks anon, I'll give it a shot.

>>716130669
Meds now

>>716130998
>You shouldn't be the main demographic, you need to move on.
I think you need to move on anon, because smt has moved on and left you in the gutter scrambling for shitty indies to fill the void like >>716130026

>>716130879
Changing the subject. I accept your concession

>>716123812
Wtf is this some kind of alien?

>>716131128
If by moving on you mean crashing the industry because of dogshit decision to cater to absolute fucking losers like yourself? Yeah i guess it's time to move on, from parasites like you

>>716131128
That game is mostly inspired by SMT1&2 and given how he never ever mention them, he probably didn't play them.
He' mainly a Nocturne and 4 fanboy and he didn't even play them properly considering his gap in knowledge, he probably "played" them on youtube.

>>716130859
I found VV super fucking boring.
same with SH2.
Atlus ditched the depressing, darker visual atmosphere of earlier SMT games for putting neon lights and sheen everywhere and i don't think the "open world" design of VV suits it either.
Also the homogenization of persona and SMT demon designs has made them less distinguishable imo.
also to many of Doi's designs are just generic sexy women in cosplay

>>716131421
>Also the homogenization of persona and SMT demon designs has made them less distinguishable imo.
?????
They both use Kaneko design but Soejima demon design never ever touched a SMT game.
>spoiler
Literally all of Kaneko's most popular female designs are women doing cosplay.
You're 30 years late to bitch about that.

>>716131262
Anon, you are literally crying in a video game discussion. It might be time to move on.

>>716131274
In that case I might actually try it. 2 was pretty kino

>>716131602
You are a cancerous retard and i'm going to call you out.

>>716118846 (OP)
it's gotta be nocturne. once you get past the edgy aesthetics, it's truly mediocrity masquerading as greatness. most of the dungeons are archaic and still reminiscent of the block-y dungeons of grid based crawlers. but the retards never took into consideration of updating for full 3d movement on an x axis. most of the dungeons are completely fucking empty of anything outside of mandatory switches, teleports, and the occasional treasure chest. considering how slow the demifiend moves, most of it is just a navigational challenge (not a bad thing, but it's done better in other games) and a lot of fucking walking through empty space, waiting till the next random battle triggers. this game also loves throwing you back to the start of a dungeon through a teleporter; you'd better get used to all this time wasted in empty space, just walking.

the combat balance is also just whack. on its hardest difficulty, this game is going to throw fights where you are killed before you can even make a decision. the rest of the flaws ill bring up are relatively a problem for the rest of the series, but they had the reasonable sense to turn down enemy stats not completely kill you on the first turn. demon conversations are nonsensical and most of the responses are 'just guess' for what is correct. finding demon weaknesses is almost 'just guess', because this demon covered in fire isn't weak to ice, he fucking absorbs it, or sometimes they are weak to ice, for whatever reason.

couldn't imagine wasting 50 hours in this game without abusing save states. let alone playing the actual ps2 version

>>716130978
Naraku is much better than every other area in IV combined, but I still wouldn't say it's very good. Using a contextual prompt to go up and down other areas just doesn't make use of 3D space, I should be able to manually control my character and jump to different elevations, that's making use of vertical exploration. Otherwise you're just playing a 2D game presented in 3D. It's the same for Nocturne's dungeons. In that you're just watching a cutscene to move the dungeon's position in one static shift, it's not happening in real-time like in Kabukicho's prison.
>they have more creative dungeons
Nocturne's level design is bad, like really fucking bad. 3 long linear tunnels that all have the first 5 rooms copy/pasted, with wholly identical tilesets and constant need for lightoma (which you get free off a demon, so it's just pointless busywork to go in and out of the menu to apply). 2.2 iterations of the Amala network, which are just blocky tunnels with a dozen unmarked warps that send you back to the start for more fun random encounters against demons you can't recruit. Shibuya, Ginza, and Ikubukuro cities, what have a dozen stores each with copy-pasted room layouts that each either have jack shit or maybe a chest with 2x medicine. White temple and yoyogi park, which are just super simple mazes stretched out with constant obnoxious teleports (something the game thinks is an okay gimmick to spam when it's just tedious and boring). Mantra and Nihilo headquarters, which are just generally visually uninteresting blocky corridors, barring the kaiwan shifting floor bits in between layers of Nihilo. Minufashiro, which is just garbage in relation to all the buildup it got; you just go in, walk along some spidery platforms, and watch as demons occasionally move around in the skybox. Underpass, which basically another tunnel horrible plagued by constant up-down ladder traversal, which is a massive pacebreaker throughout Nocturne.

>>716131576
you can tell me I'm wrong but i simply don't think Doi's artistic style suits SMT as well as kanekos (which is the reason 95% of the demons in modern SMT are still kaneko's designs), VV's redesign of lilith is a straight downgrade from the original and almost every female design he's done has been generic lady wearing a suit.
not even a tail or fucked up hands, legs, feet, nothing.
he misses the point of being in a position to make fucked up demon designs for a long-standing AAA series hard.

>>716131743
Keep crying anon. I'm just enjoying my games

>>716118846 (OP)
They are all great but if I had to choose one to never play again it would be V.

>>716118950
based

>>716118846 (OP)
V is easily the worst. Nocturne has much more interesting areas and has DUNGEONS!! unlike V which is mostly a desert, slop pretending it's breath of the wild when it's supposed to be SMT.

I can't imagine being this assblasted and samefagging this much.

>>716132048
>and has DUNGEONS!! unlike V
You must really hate IV then

>>716130678
Nostalgia is one hell of a drug man.

>>716132148
IV has more dungeons than V. No, them being short does not matter if the dungeon is interesting. Going through Reverse Hills, Midtown, Camp Ichigaya is way more fun than running in a straight line on a desert and pressing jump sometimes to collect a miman for 8 glory. The dungeons in V also suck dick and one is a corridor you run straight through and the other is a set of staircases you have to climb and voila, it's over. The open world design does not justify it in the slightest becaue the extent of it's so praised exploration is climbing an emergency staircase up a skyscraper to find a single bead and an essence atop of it.
Do not get me started on the story being so shit they had to remake it and then made it look like clearly unfinished garbage for the second time, thought at least VV had a bit more story than V. Just a bit.

>>716126405
damn... zased...

>>716132461
>them being short does not matter
Try them being non existent. Beyond domains there's literally no dungeons except for final boss. If you said IVA I'd agree though

>>716132461
>IV has more dungeons
And none of them are interesting.V is first SMT game with real 3D level design, where verticality is not only relevant but critical. It was the natural evolution from IV were they were going for a more organic labyrinth like V but elevations are blocked behind loading screens so every environment is just flat space with an occasional and basic ramp. V finally feels like you're going through a ruin folded in on itself. This plus every enemy existing as an FoE with unique field properties is the biggest contributions to the genre.

>>716118846 (OP)
Anyone not saying 4 vanilla is trolling. Now if you put 5 vanilla, it would be arguable. All of them are fantastic though

Working my way back chronologically. Finished SMT1 and now I'm moving to SMT2. i freaking hate how the only translated patch we got was for the snes version and not the superior ps1 version.

>>716118846 (OP)
Never played them so idk or care. Sonic is better probably though

>>716132663
most of the started but haven't finished was because I bricked my save in the middle of my playthrough. P5S and SMT2 I'm currently playing but P5S is kinda meh. Nocturne I lost my motivation when I lost internet for a week and luls denuvo didn't let me play it during it.

>>716131923
Cleopatra, Idunn and Demeter are the worst designs in VV by far

>>716132567
>Beyond domains there's literally no dungeons
I 'literally' brought up 3 in the post you are replying to, can you read?
>Try them being non existent.
Like V? With such a fuck off map there was literally no reason NOT to put a bunch of interesting optional dungeon entrances on the edges of the map or in other places, exploring the remains of tokyo blasted the fuck out from 20 years ago.
>>716132653
I would totally agree if this verticality involved SMT IV's map again, but V's map is boring. Getting able to jump around and platform isn't interesting if your playground is the five copy-pasted ruined buildings atop a golden/gray/white desert, color picked based on current location in da'at

>>716132772
Best.

>>716118846 (OP)
IV

>>716132663
>and now I'm moving to SMT2
Enjoy Backtracking: The Videogame and remember that tarukaja is bugged and if you use it 4 times it actually destroys your attack

>>716132653
All of this text and in the end it doesn't matter because V/VV dungeons are worse than anything Atlus had ever made before. Vfags proving once again they don't play the games and find shit excuses for everything bad about V/VV

>>716132787
>f this verticality involved SMT IV's map again
No, because IV's map is not good.
>but V's map is boring
That's nice, but you don't know shit about 3D level design and never will. SMT V has the best environments in terms of level design of any 3D turn based JRPG. They're large, with lots of vertical design and different spots of elevation, branching/looping paths with totally optional areas, populated by on screen enemies who behave uniquely in how they aggro and attack you, filled with treasure and side quests to utilize said world.

>>716132890
All this text and yet V's dungeons are better than Nocturne's and IV. But do tell me 2d crawling translated 1:1 into blocky 3d textrues is good level design. The wind catapults that make use of the 3D space were much better than any warp puzzle.

>>716118846 (OP)
Its V but Im sure this thread is filled with insane troons who are coping about it

>>716133382
if it was that good everyone would see it
you are coping

>>716133382
here's your "dungeon" bro lmao

>>716133472
If you weren't the same color as your shit, you wouldn't be a shitskin.

>>716133554
Yes, that's better than anything in Nocturne and IV.

>>716133673
>Yes, I am a woman and better than "real" women!

>>716133673
Keep telling yourself that tranny

>>716132851
i heard there's a patch that fixes it, god knows if i downloaded the right version for it i swear to god this game is so fucked

>>716133382
>That's nice, but you don't know shit about 3D level design and never will.
I know enough about SMT to know V's map design is shit for the genre the map it's in and the game it's trying to be.
>SMT V has the best environments in terms of level design of any 3D turn based JRPG
now i know you're just baiting
>They're large, with lots of vertical design and different spots of elevation
Does not make it any more interesting if your elevation spots are the same building copied over buried in a fucking desert you cretin. I could argue that Taito is the only good location in the game and that's a stretch with the epic retarded floating cubes you have to climb. No, jumping on big floating squares isn't fun either.

>>716131857
>you're just playing a 2D game presented in 3D
You hit the nail on the head here, but I guess the difference between us is that this doesn't bother me and gives the game a unique identity. Adding something like a jump button doesn't really change the exploration much because the levels are more designed in a way to find secret areas/hidden items by looking around for the prompts or using contextual clues of things that stand out from the environment as opposed to V where the exploration is designed around using the 3D space and movement and hiding secret areas/chests behind platforming. My point is, i don't think you can clearly say one is objectively better than the other, especially because the design philosophy behind each type of exploration is different. It's purely down to personal preference.

>>716131923
Alice is SMT's most popular female demon design and she's literally a loli and nothing else because it's the entire point of her character.
Pixie is second and she's just a girl in a leotard with wings.
Titania? Same as Pixie but with a dress instead of a leotard.
Ishtar? A sexy lady with horns, which is totally something new and never seen before.
Even if we go into more obscure designs, Bodyconians and Maneater are literal human whores.
I'll repeat it again because clearly you don't understand: you're 30 years late to complain about that.

>>716133382
The train station in nocturne alone shits all over v's "dungeons"

>>716133801
>I know enough about SMT
No, you don't. You don't know enough about video games to talk about them. Why is why you just replied "nuh huh" and though that was acceptable

>>716134013
>though
saar, buy the most recent game and praise the japanese slop

>>716131262
fucking retarded gorilla faggot. games are good now. I'm glad they make you mald.

>>716118846 (OP)
Haven't played V yet but from the other 3 it's 4 easily

>>716133848
I'm sure you're stupid enough to believe that.

>>716134013
>Why is why you just replied "nuh huh" and though that was acceptable
You're the only one doing that here, Ranjeet

>>716134149
You can't be this stupid and think level design concepts and descriptions is nuh huh.

>>716134252
your concept and descriptions are parroting over and over again that you can jump in SMTV. I told you the design isn't interesting enough to justify an open world exploratory gameplay of this kind. If you put SMT V's gameplay and running about like a retarded chicken in IV's map, or made it anything more interesting than a blasted fucking desert Nocturne made it work with a world map and it's not a bad thing then it would be better. But it's not, and it's shit.

Adding verticality doesn't instantly make a level design interesting you fucking clueless retarded ape.
V level design is inherently shit because it's half assed by design. Open world only works if you actually commit fully to it, V just has big empty levels.

i mean platforming in the snow stage was pretty fun

>>716134460
>your concept and descriptions are
explaining how 3D games should function to a stupid retard who thinks the spiritual successor to Nocturne should be a grid-based linear hallway. First person grid dungeons suck in 3D. It's the laziest level design there is because it's all flat and entirely modular. No effect needs to be put into making good levels. But what can you expect from a retard who think random encounters are good game design?

>>716134730
Taito was the only fun part of the whole game to be honest

>>716133554
the dilation station

>>716134883
tell me how you never played nocturne without telling me you never played nocturne

>>716134705
>Adding verticality doesn't instantly make a level design interesting
This is someone pretending he understands 3D level design.

>>716134883
bla bla bla, you're a tranny, we get it.

>>716125025
>Shirow
>a man

kek. he's entire character revolves around being a weak and oppressed underdog who constantly gets beaten up and humiliated by bullies until he snaps and decides to get revange by uptaining guns and demonic powers. he's basically a school shooter stereotype before said stereotype even become a thing. Kaneko even accidentally made him look like a school shooter lmao

What a fucking garbage thread

>>716134928
Tell me how you're a retard talking about things he knows nothing about without telling me you're a retard talking about things he knows nothing about.

>>716134918
kek, got a laugh out of me

>MUH... MUH 3D LEVEL DESIGN!! MARIO SUNSHINE! SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI HAS TO PLAY LIKE MARIO 64 RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!
Go learn what makes SMT actually interesting

>>716135173
The animations!

>>716118846 (OP)
4 no contest.

Anyone think Metaphor was probably Atlus worst game recently? It's not that it was bad and it's still a 8/10 game. Let's be honest here. Atlus almost never misses, every single one of their game has been 8/10+ unlike another jrpg company... It's just that it's way too safe. Plot moves in a predictable and boring direction. Style is a little bland even if generic fantasy is underutilized now a days. Gameplay just feels like a neutered Persona game. Not really much style desu either which I kinda love from Atlus games.

>>716135173
I can't imagine being a samefagging little bitch who got bootyblasted this hard and this is all you can resort too.

>>716135313
dilate

>>716124089
>Persona hate out of nowhere
I find it funnt SMTfags hate Persona so much when Persona has significantly more occult themes than mainline. They're integrated more subtly and handled with more care whereas SMT is usually too on the nose.

>>716135029
I agree, all the VVtroons really prevent good SMT threads from happening. It'll probably be like this forever.

>>716135263
It was fine. Nowhere near as bad as literally any shitsona

>>716135263
Both Metaphor and SMTVV were pretty bad yeah. Same thing as Persona 3 Reloaded. Atlus is not the company that it used to be, gone are the days of edginess, grit and dungeons.

>>716135549
>Persona has significantly more occult themes than mainline.
that's literally not true unless you're thinking of the early personas and even then I don't think that's true.

>>716135549
>Pissona
>subtlety
don't embarrass yourself

>>716135668
>>716135662
>_>

>>716135632
Or until you rope yourself and stop seething + samefagging

>>716118846 (OP)
I've only ever beaten Nocturne.

>>716135725
Also i forgot, there is a PSX English patch for both SMT I and SMT II

>SMT4 comes out on 3ds
>Attracts underage retards that think they're mature and edgy with their very first "mature" game.
>proceed to violently shit all over the rest of the series for daring to be higher quality.
Literally the xenoblade 2 and dark souls 2 fans of the SMT franchise.

>>716135549
Because I like my games for the gameplay. Persona has none

>>716135695
Only smt3 and 5 have good enough symbolism to match persona 3, 4 and 5's.

>>716135790
>PSX English patch for both SMT I and SMT II
There is for 1 but last I heard nothing for 2? We have a fan translation for 2 on snes but not psx

>>716135790
why'd you reply to me? o_O
oh you meant my original post? yeah it's only on SMT1. SMT2 you only have the AG translation and it's heavily biased and sorta mistranslated

>>716135946
because i'm to lazy to find the other post , you were merely a pawn

>>716135887
bait

>>716132663
I think the PS1 version got a translation, I know SMT1 did for sure.

Enjoy, Anon, SMT2 fucking rules.

>>716135263
I played the demo and didn't like it. It was just a P5 reskin. I'm suck of P5 man. Give me a new damn game already.

>>716123812
Do beavers actually look and move like that? Feels like a human in a suit.

>>716118846 (OP)
nocturne is the most overrated smt game, it's not bad by any stretch but this game is so circlejerked it's ridiculous
that being said smt 5 was boring as shit except for the visuals at the end
still haven't played strange journey

>>716135632
You need a name at this point.

>>716135995
>implying anyone itt played DDS
you're giving nu-v too much credit

>>716136116
which posts do you think are me, avatar tranny?
quote them, this will be more fun than playing VV

>>716136018
>it was just a p5 reskin
oh my fucking godddddddddddddddd what the fuck is with you guys man groannnnnn

>>716135741
Sorry I didn't even see this tranny seething, see >>716136297
and help your fellow discord xister out, troon. Reminder that trannies and SMTV ruined an entire series' discussion on this board forever

>>716135995
>talking to npcs randomly in dds2
>OH DID YOU KNOW THAT JENNA IS A HERMAPHODITE
HUH? that shit caught me so off guard. I mean I get the symbolism since she wants to transcend past humanity or something but it's just so weird getting this lore from a missable npc

>>716136384
Yeah, you really do need a name,

costco garbage design for troons

>>716135791
The same thing happened with Nocturne.
Just look at the "ONE MORE GOD REJECTED" memesters.

>>716136451
My name? It's Steve

>>716125025
>>716134979
he looks like the chudjak

adhd trash design for zoomtards

>>716136451
>name,
Flustered tranny smearing grease and sweat all over its keyboard

>>716118846 (OP)
VV, but all 4 are great.

a literal line with the illusion of choice

>>716136451
He really doesn't, he's the biggest case of dunning Kruger I've ever seen and he unironically think that because he doesn't have a name, he's 100% anonymous and can't be recognized by any means.

>>716136648
I'm sure you you samefag some more people aren't going to notice.

dogshit safe chink designs for the chinese

>>716118846 (OP)
Strange Journey no question, the entire Alignment system was a mess and I hope they never do it again. I'd rather deal with Smirk bullshit then deal with SJs shit

>>716119827
Vengeance doesn't have problems because muh normie reeee. It has some pacing and story issues inherited from the original creation route. the battle gameplay changes are sublime but the environments are repetitious.
Vengeance overall does a lot to make V a fun game, but it's a more noticeable blunder among the 4 games. The other 3 are way more confident and cohesive despite their respective flaws.

Auto skill being bale to sweep 90% of the game.

>>716136761
>I'm sure you you
Greasy, smelly, troon scum with hands covered in feces
Cry troonie cry

>>716136920
>>716136835
>>716136750
>>716136641

But yeah i guess SJ is the worst one because alignments o algo

>>716136920
damn just like SMT1 and 2! SOUL

>>716136835
I don't understand. What emotion did you think this picture would evoke in me? I remember some dumbfucks getting mad that the SMT4 designs weren't just hyperliteral interpretations of mythology, like Centaur not just being a barafag with a horse ass. Is that what this is? If so, you're the main reason Shin Megami Tensei is a dead franchise. I hate that Persona brought in tourists who think that SMT should only be edginess, grit and dungeons.

>>716128284
my man

>>716123320
>Outside of Minotaur and Medusa everything can be steamrolled with demon whisper and buff autism.
the game gets easier after the midgame but I wouldn't smt4 is easy. the only real issue with 4 is that smirk is completely broken. the world, vibes, and yes even the encounters were all a worthy successor to nocturne IMO.

>>716136920
Reminder that he got filtered by fucking Naamah trying to prove that you could auto the entire game and only proved that you couldn't.

Oh and i get to build whatever demon i want whenever i want with the skills that i want, that's so oomfie

>>716137204
i love the recent trend of every SMT game having their own version of the jack frost.

>>716118846 (OP)
How could it be anything other than 4?

>>716136920
Holy shit I remember you. You shit up every single VV thread on release about it being an auto battler, even going so far as to create these webms saying you'll stream the whole game but after the hydra you just stopped. Some next level autism that you're still out here crying about vv a year after release.

>>716136757
He's become the Eric and Barry of SMT threads.

safe chinkish designs for china. it's all over zoomtard games, biggest redflag ever

>>716137196
Oh it's the same retard that bought the game that only posts Hydra since that's only thing you can get away with?[/spoiler](He still used Dampeners btw) no wonder it reaks of autism

>>716137367
Morning madam!

>>716137515
>off his meds for a whole year

>>716135549
persona excised the occult out of its DNA. you can see this happening in real time within Persona 4 itself, when it starts out as a supernatural mystery show and becomes scooby doo detective club. the arcane nature of teenage angst magic has to be dragged into mechanical consistency in order to support a whodunit plot. compare this with Persona 3, where the dark hour and the role of SEES is always steeped in stuff that borders religiosity (ie prophesized armageddon, death always looking around the corner, contracts with unclear implications, etc..)

>>716137367
He got filtered which is why it's just Hydra mind you

>>716137606
right on

>>716126405
>If you cut VV you're a faggot who thinks a story in a game is more important than the gameplay.
Faggotry is wanting a story focused genre to feature a good story? I like VV but this whole "hurr SMT stories suck" needs to die. Nocturne is minimalist but it's not a bad story. It has an actual pace. It's minimalism is a choice, not a bug

>>716137438
You posted a great game with a fun setpiece as the final boss. What does that have to do with anything?

>>716128812
no they're fun, but their encounter rate is so fucking high that it ruins the dungeon crawling

>BOOGEYMAN YOU'RE THE BOOGEYMAN YOU'RE BARRY TIMMY JOSHY FRED REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I love being 1 of several people who shitpost about V being as shit as it is. Really riles up the retarded fatlus trannies

I love SMT4

>>716137853
The chinkish safe design, games are built for china.

>a great game

if you are retarded

>>716138015
>Fatlus faggot
>Liking V or VV

Tranny game, no self respecting fatso is going to prefer an inferior product full of QOL trash. Bing Bing WAHOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>716138057
So you're just a retard assblased about the Switch, huh.

>>716131203
>>716136064
That's clearly an SMT demon. Why else would it be posted in an SMT thread??

>>716138203
How is that relevant to games being designed for China? Zelda lost the soul, SMT lost the edge.

Chink Chink WAHOOOOO design won because we love low quality products

>>716138296
awesome, hope this beast shows up in SMT6

>>716136920
>still have to pick skills
>lose out on massive exp because 2 of your demons carted
Not really seeing your point here buddy
Didn't you get bodied by Naamah?

>>716122813
>You can make your MC Magic based now!
>We broke the magic damage formula!
>And didn't fix it despite a rework and a remake!

>>716138590
works fine if you are not autistic about it

>>716118846 (OP)
SJ stays, and I really like the setting and lore of IV, it actually feels like a jrpg with towns, npcs, etc. 3 and 5 are too similar they are good but its a different vibe. So either 3 or 5 have to go

>>716138783
It's just retarded. The stats and formulas in Nocturne are utterly fucked. RPGs shouldn't have bad math.

>>716138783
>Wind Cutter being the only spell that works is fine
Atlus shouldn't be shit at coding this many years in. Hell, IV had its own version with STR being bugged and DEX doing its job twice as well.

>>716118846 (OP)
SJ > 4 > 5 > Nocturne
Nocturne is only popular because it was babby's first dark monster game after the teens got too edgy for Pokémon.

>>716138783
It's literally the only RPG where raising your level and Magic stat make you deal LESS damage on magic skills.

>>716139607
non exponential growth =/ doing less damage.

>>716139721
Nope, it's literally less damage, you would know if you actually tried to play the game with a magic build.
There's no growth.

>>716139721
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2503470293

>>716118846 (OP)
Reddit journey, fuck any of the retards saying 4. Reddit journey fags are mostly doom crossover meme faggots who've never played the game and just like to repost unfunny shit they made. If I wanted to play a shit etrian odyssey clone id play sword strangers

Also Iv is needed for apocalypse/final which is the best SMT game -full stop- no cap, good game and no rematch plus I'm ignoring all replies and only people who for sure in their hearts that they are faggots with shit taste are capable of even replying to my post

>>716118846 (OP)
As a game I'd easily lose IV, first. I think it's got great worldbuilding (best in the series) and atmosphere coupled with an okay story, but the gameplay side of things leaves enough to be desired that I would never care to revisit the game. I can't say the same for the other 3.

>>716139956
>10 AGI
Problem solved

>>716140118
They could also solve the problem by not being shitty programmers.

>>716140118
>Going last in a game with press turn

Just finished for the last time VV and done the Yoko route and I think it's the most retarded thing ever

>I worked for the Quaditsu
No, she didn't, not even a little and betrayed MC for like 2 seconds before coming back
>Quaditsu's plan is a great idea and I have no problem they fucking killed/absorbed people to do so
Other than Yoko morality aside, using Tiamat to destroy everything just doesn't work because we know Lucifer basically did the same and got fucked. Also Mastema is just like >i can totally control this no problem, probably other can do the same in SMT. Also, unless she convinces MC to do anything, something she didn't plan, it just doesn't work
>Everything goes back to start and nobody is there but a snake
what an amazing solution for the rest of humanity and demons

Honestly, Tao is annoying and retarded, but at least her plan makes sense

>>716118846 (OP)
This series really went downhill after the shin megami tensei if; the nes games was peak.

>>716140487
>EVER expecting a Chaos hero to not be retarded

>>716137846
>Faggotry is wanting a story focused genre to feature a good story?
RPGs might typically be story focused, but they don't need to be that way just because the typical RPG happens to be. The faggotry on display here is your inability to accept that.

>>716141308
and women don't need to be biofem

>>716118938
fpbp.

IV isn't even a bad game, in fact it's a great game. But the game is a mess, mechanics straight up don't work and the game was clearly rushed out development wise where demons all use placeholder values. Good vibes though, but that's true of every single SMT game.

>>716118846 (OP)
Vengeance but only because I'm retarded and all the vertical-ness makes me dizzy
cool platforming though

>>716141749
To me it felt like it was made for no reason other than needing a new SMT for 3DS. 4 has SJ and Nocturne behind it, those were impossible to top.

>>716136086
>nocturne is the most overrated smt game,
That will happen when you're the best smt game.

>>716143484
I love 4's setting and ideas but it just fell flat on all of them and the new angel designs and especially Lucifer were ugly.

None of those other games have these two. So they're worthless.
Sorry, it's a fact.

>>716144707
You never see this when the Japanese talk about the games.

>>716123116
>>716122813
FPBP
/thread

>>716123320
IV didn't have a new team, what are you talking about. All senior roles are filled by oldtimers, including VV. VV is very different from other SMT primarily because it was directed by EO director who didn't give a fuck about catering to storyfags.

>>716124891
>Yeah, that's why I only liked the Obelisk and the Diet Building.
Holy shit finally someone who shares the same opinion. Playing through Nocturne was a complete slog. I nearly almost always quit during final dungeon in Fatlus games and only come back to beat it later because they concentrate their worst gimmicks there.

>>716118846 (OP)
IV unirocally. I'd Argue Apocalypse/Final is better but I am considering it if it's a low bar or not.

>>716148087
Tower of Kagutsuchi has to be the worst final dungeon in all the SMT. I'm positive that even if you combine the layouts and playtime spent in every final dungeon in every other mainline game (1, 2 and IV) they still aren't as pointless long as ToK.

>>716118846 (OP)
strange journey
Atmosphere doesn't justify shit combat

>>716118846 (OP)
Not even a contest.

>>716149274
based

is it me or do most SMT fans love to shit on SMT games. Every time I see an SMT thread is either "this game sucks" or "why are the characters so gay" or some shit like that. But hey at least is better than monobutt shit I guess.

>>716118846 (OP)
SJ has the best story, dungeon design, and atmosphere. But everything is so compressed on the DS so it feels inferior.

>>716150125
Because it suffer from the same issues Fire Emblem has:
Most games are rather different from each others, even if they share a lot of common elements, and the fanbase have people who got into a given game because of elements that are present or not in the others games.

>>716150125
SMT comes in many forms and some games dropped the ball hard and subverted exceptations in the worst ways. I think it's good that SMT fans are ready to critique the series they love for things the series did wrong instead of eating up Atlus slop no matter the form just because it's SMT. Though /v/ threads are most often made by Megaten tourists, who are usually talking out of their ass with zero experience in other games of the series to validate their point

>>716150125
I like SMT a lot, but the series was stagnating hard before the EO guys came on board.

>>716118846 (OP)
IV, obviously.

>>716150125
i blame the ecelebs, biggest pretentious dweebs i've ever seen

>>716149095
>Tower of Kagutsuchi has to be the worst final dungeon in all the SMT.
Christ no. Visually it's excellent and it's way more navigable than some of the other teleport centric hellhole final areas in other SMTs.
If you want a bad final area look at 5. It's visually nice but that's all it has going for it.

Strange journey is garbage, play a real Etrian Odyssey game.

>>716150125
It's a mature series, so naturally it attracts the least mature people.

>>716145040
>FPBP
Are you retarded?

>>716118846 (OP)
Honestly Nocturne, unless there's some dumb gotcha ripple effect where erasing Nocturne erases all the other PS2-era MegaTens too because they were all recycles of Nocturne assets.

>>716154382
dds don't deserve to be deleted it's one of the more memorable smt games
and miles better than nocturne

>>716135549
we failed as a society when we let personafag voice their opinions

>>716118846 (OP)
Nocturne easily, piece of shit overrated game. I never played 4 but it can't be worse than 3

is Nocturne PC port okay to play?

>>716155473
Yeah it's good. Maniax version for Dante, Chronicles for Raidou.
Someone will tell you it's inferior because it gives you the option of choosing skills that get inherited during fusion. Call that guy a faggot for me.

>>716149274
giga zazed

>>716136902
V is good but buffs not effecting all party members and only lasting 3 turns is a huge downgrade

>>716150125
Being negative attracts more attention than being positive
>I think [game] is great
>0 replies
>I think [game] is shit
>47 replies

>>716118938
Without 4 there is no 4A.
Hence V is the worst

>>716125693
>niggas ITT actually defending this design
the absolute state

>>716118846 (OP)
4

>>716123764
Holy shit I was thinking the artist did the designs for the Ivalice stuff. Absolutely fucking peak stuff.

>>716118938
fippy bippy

>>716125693
looks like a generic zombie from RE

>>716125693
why is wearing bullfighter clothes?

>>716154912
based, DDS are among my favorite SMT games

>>716155716
And standard new game for the best option without the tacked on content and actual meaningful choices, not le epic TRUE DEMON. All Atlus games should have the option to play the first edition.

>>716155473
yes
people were mad because the remaster could've been so much better, but it is still the best way to play the game

>>716135549
persona is a haremslop dating sim with japanese mid school humor and power of friendship plots
it couldn't be any more on the nose if they tried

>>716135173
>Go learn what makes SMT actually interesting
The combat and demon fusion, which are great in V?

>>716135549
I don't shit on Persona because of occultism I shit on it because of all the meaningless fluff dialogue you have to sit through to play it that you'll only find interesting if you have no IRL friends

>nocturne has best gameplay in the series
>said nocturne gameplay

>>716158808
I fail to see what's wrong with this, the player using their strongest abilities to defeat the final boss?

>>716158808
>daisoujou
you did not beat the game

>>716158808
well if you can make fun of the game with the best gameplay in the series i can only imagine what you think of the other ones

>>716156369
>we have matador in shinjuku

>>716118846 (OP)
Its nocturne and anyone saying otherwise is coping. Its a genuinely bad game in a lot of ways that people forgive due to how influential it was.

>>716159621
>Its a genuinely bad game in a lot of ways that people forgive due to how influential it was
you can say the same with smt4, except people forgive that one because it was their first

>>716154912
Nuff said. I really liked the skill tree, and music in dds.

>>716118846 (OP)
Nocturne is the most mechanically broken game of those four.
So remove that one

>>716161036
No, it's not. IV is more mechanically broken.

>>716161036
>Nocturne is the most mechanically broken game of those four
At least it doesn't have smirking

>>716161271
At least Final made smirking a fun mechanic.

Tao and Yoko are both extremely fucking retarded. You should solely decide with your dick whose route you'll do.

>>716155473
Yeah, but it's not 50$ good. In fact, I paid 12$ and I wouldn't consider it a good purchase if I didn't use some mods. At the very least you need the hd graphics (without it the game is locked to 30fps and I swear those fancy flashing lights on demifiend were pixelated af) and the one that gives hd audio (game's ost is compressed af because of some programming bullshit, I don't really get it)

>>716118846 (OP)
Strange Journey
SMT4 has one of if not the best OST of any video game

>>716161803
You don't even fuck either of them because the MC is a homo.

>>716154912
If it wasn't that grindy, it would be top 3 for sure.

>>716163434
Yes but you are, hopefully not a homo so might as well pick the one who makes your dick twitch.

>>716164132
Why do I need to pick one. I want a real true neutral route where you can conquer both and bend them to your will like a real chad.

>>716137367
He's been doing this since V released. Nearly five years.

>>716164132
Well if you put it that way, there is an obvious answer. Any other is wrong.

>>716118846 (OP)
5, no contest. It's nothing but watered down slop for faggots and trannies to pretend to have played a "real" SMT game.

>>716165295
He also shits up /vg/ regularly.

>>716165295
why does it feel like every fucking thread on this site has some brown schizo who has consistently shit it up for years

>>716164269
When has neutral ever been about bringing the law and chaos rep together?

Be honest with me, am I a scrub if I use a fusion calculator while playing these games?

>>716166035
First time? yeah
Replays? nah

>>716123067
>implying press the nemissa button to win is better
I hate press turn but come on

>>716163434
Nah, MC fucks Yoko on both endings even.

VV is the worst thing that happened to the franchise and zoomers are the worst thing that happened to 4chan

>>716123116
/thread desu

>>716166256
>when he looks prettier than her
Genuinely the best way to mog women

>>716122741
Came here to post this

>>716167271
I don't know if you're shitting on him or agreeing with him.

>>716167271
I'm not terribly fond of VV compared to the others, but I can't knock it entirely since it's one of the few times a company soft-conceded to dropping the ball and half-fixed it.
Shin Megami Tensei IF...they apply this going forward, minus charging for it extensively, I might concede it was an objectively good addition.

>>716167541
I can. That game is fucking ass and not a SMT game.

>>716135549
>integrated more subtly
>handled with more care
And swathed in repulsive weebshit

>>716167541
>one of the few times a company soft-conceded to dropping the ball and half-fixed it.
But enough about Nocturne(a massive flop until they fixed it in the second version)

>>716166256
>bro believe me, look at this out of context screenshot

>>716167541
I've never been the biggest fan of the series myself. I'm mostly drawn to the music and atmosphere and VV missed the mark across the board for me.

>>716165295
>>716165537
Incredible dedication to being a fucking retard. I almost admire it

>>716168797
You took the words out of my mouth, obsessed SEAnigger.