Will you ever stop begging for another turn-based Final Fantasy? I get the feeling you want the series to be turn-based again, just so you can watch it flop like Lightning Returns (Final Fantasy XIII Part 3) or even pic related did.

>>716166417 (OP)
Pokemon and Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 say hi. Also, Compile Heart wishes they had a fraction of those sales, 2-3 million copies for a turn-based game is good, games developed by Falcom, Compile Heart, Artisan Studios etc sell maybe 400,000-100,000 copies worldwide and I'm being generous.

>>716166417 (OP)
Switch 2 port when?

>>716166870
Metaphor seems prime for a standard Fatlus enhanced re-release since the base game is so barren and unfinished, hopefully then

>>716166417 (OP)
i don't care about sales, i want the series to be turn based so it can be good again

>>716166417 (OP)
no romance
no legs

>>716166417 (OP)
Square has literally never made a good action combat system so they should stop trying.

>>716166417 (OP)
Atlus games are for incels.

RPG genre was never good

>>716166643
>Pokemon and Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 say h

A dogshit series completely carried by its IP bought mainly by people who literally gives no fuck about the gameplay or the combat and just want to collect pokemon and an rpg who became the flavor of the month among normies specifically because it added real time action elements. You sure showed him.

Could have at least named Baldur's Gate 3 but I guess people already forgot about it.

>>716166417 (OP)
a 40+ mediocretard pedo made this post btw.

>>716167292
I agree
>t. incel

>>716166643
>Pokemon
The sole exception
>E33
Sold like 3 million copies

>>716166417 (OP)
Based. But replace FF with BG.
I fucking hate larian for what they did with a beloved classic of RTWP CRPG

SMT games are peak
This anime shit can fuck off

>>716166417 (OP)
Yes? Who else are going to buy their games? You? Don't make me giggle n jiggle my boner all over your face you cute retard

>>716167032
>Weeb games brutally MOGGED
Based

>>716167292
I wouldn't like them any different.

>>716166643
Expedition 33 hasn't done anything that Fucking Mario has been doing (and better mind you) since 2002.

The only reason people fellate Expedition 33 is because is not on Nintendo, good game but WAY overinflated.

Pokemon is Pokemon and is the exception.

ITT:

>>716167021
I'm waiting for the rerelease before biting in.

>>716167942
I'm waiting for possible E33 DLC, but will likely bite in during my week off.

>>716166417 (OP)
>Metaphor flopped
I'm not surprised. Atlus fans only ever truly cared about the teeny dating simulator fluff.

>>716166417 (OP)
Turn based games are kino but only if they actually require any thought to play, so basically Final Fantasy and SMT will never produce any good turn based games.

>>716169058
You faggots were literally kissing rebirthfags asses when expedition33 triggered lmao

Fucking splitting Gallica in half

>>716169279
Most metaphorfags are grifters

>>716166417 (OP)
I like turn based games. But I just don't see why people insist it has nearly anything to do with the sales of a jrpg. Weeb games are almost always going to succeed by how well they can penetrate into the mainstream market. Games like Persona and Fire Emblem Three Houses outperform their peers because of the social elements. Final Fantasy USED to set benchmarks for graphical quality and cut scenes, where everyone owned FFX back in the day just to experience the voice acting and cinematic fights. Square Enix is behind the times now. They can no longer be cutting edge graphics wise, or outperform other cinematic movie games like Naughty Dog or God of War.

If you look at the success of recent weeb games, it's stuff like Genshin Impact and its successors that rely on heavy marketing of cute girls and flashy gameplay, targeting people's lizard brains with FOMO events and special rewards.

Turn based or action based, the next FF will fail if it doesn't have flashy characters and doesn't grab people attention with extreme marketing and some dumb gimmick like being set in a magic high school or something. Just copy a popular Shonen anime and make a video game copycat of that, market aggressively, and you get your fans back.

>>716169279
>>716169485
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/715870260/#q715878412
This

>>716168949
>Deranged cultist once again convinced that the world revolves around Nintendo
You are retarded. Do you think that BG3 and Elden Ring were only popular because the didn't get switch releases as well? No, they were popular because people enjoyed them, not because the devs didn't feel like gimping them so they'd play on your piece of shit, underpowered handheld.

7 years of development just to make a Persona clone but in western fantasy. Boring. You can't even fuck any of the fantasy races.

>>716166417 (OP)
If a game needs to move more than 2 million units it's over budget.

>>716169578
Expedition 33 didn't need to be weeb shit

Metaphor bros....

>>716166417 (OP)
>No penis physics and can't fuck bears
Deserved the flop. Even if all of japan buys it, it will never beat the numbers of all the gay furries.

>>716167652
>it added real time action elements
the only difference between E33 and the ff13 games is that e33 doesn't make engaging with the real time combat parts of the turn based game mandatory to beat the story bosses without heavy overleveling

I don't want FF to release another turn based game; I want it to die.
P.S. All the recent "action" FF games flopped.

>>716166643
>>716167032
>>716169795
Why even bring E33 as if its fans are "turn-based fans" and not just normies that fell for a massive marketing/shilling campaign? It wouldn't need to water down its combat system into being parryslop otherwise.

>>716166417 (OP)
>Will turn-cringe boomers ever stop begging for another turn-based Final Fantasy?
No.

>I get the feeling you want the series to be turn-based again, just so you can watch it flop
No true. They truly believe that SE would sell 50 gazillion copies of Final Fantasy again, if it were only turn-based.

>>716170683
>No true.
*not true

>>716166417 (OP)
because woketards started to "claim" the game, that repulsed everyone else from it

>>716166417 (OP)
>>716166643
>>716167942
The truth is that the Turn Based Market caps out at around 10 million sales for the really really big hitters with huge amounts of momentum behind them while the average small studio relapse struggles to hit a million.
For reference Persona 5 doubling up with Royal and discounting the spinoffs only recently hit 10 million after 9 years.
E33 getting 3-4 million is in part because it gathered up all the cultural hype of a Turn Based JRPG being AA instead of just A or indie. If they can pull off a good sequel then it could make around 5 million by cultural momentum surrounding the first game snowballing.

Like many big companies Square wants Victory or Death for mainline FF and Victory is more sales than 10 million.

isn't 2million actually good for a game that didn't have any ads and seems like it was decently cheap to make?

>>716166417 (OP)
i would want it to be good but its square enix they would find a way to fuck it up you just know

>>716166417 (OP)
There are no good devs left at SE. Who the fuck thinks any new FF game will be good, regardless of the battle system?

>>71616641
Atlus keeps making persona 5.
>P5
>Smtv
>Soul hackers 2
>P3 reload
And that is without including royal and vengeance. Metaphor is basically P5 5.

>>716170982
It is but not for a series like Final Fantasy they expect those games to not only make their budgets back but subsidize all the other releases leading up to them.

>>716166417 (OP)
This is a spiritual successor to persona and yet I've met multiple persona fans who have no idea what the fuck it did
they picked a horrible name and didn't market it properly simple as

>>716166417 (OP)
SE fucking wishes they could get FF13 level sales.

OHNONONONO
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>716166417 (OP)
Yakuza Like A Dragon
Persona 5
Clair Obscur
shut the fuck up retard

>>716171384
Fire Emblem Awakening
Baldur's Gate 3 as well

Why are turn bases fags so autistic to the point of warping every conversation regarding this genre back to final fantasy for some reason. You fags are somehow worse than platformer niggas.

>>716171474
Dragon Quest XI

>>716166417 (OP)
>woke
>forgetable characters
>no romance
>underminind p5
they deserve it

>>716166417 (OP)
>Will you ever stop begging for another turn-based Final Fantasy?

I've never done that because Final Fantasy sucks. The only good Final Fantasy was Tactics.

>Why are turn bases fags so autistic to the point of warping every conversation regarding this genre back to final fantasy for some reason. You fags are somehow worse than platformer niggas

>>716166417 (OP)
Final Fantasy is a shitty and dead franchise.

I played the old ff games in the 90s and I think FF7 Remake/Rebirth has the best combat from any FF games. I'd rather they build on that instead.

I love persona, trying to playing it but besides the cool visual, everything else is just so boring... like a half baked copy of persona where everything is a royalty free stock. Played for 10 min and it was enough.

>>716171501
Because for most of them growing up Final Fantasy was the Flagship of the Genre and because its downturn coincided with a general turning away from turn based.
Becomes of this making FF Turn Based again is both a symbolic victory and/or a hope that becoming Turn Based Again will relegtimize Turn Based games in the AAA sphere.

>>716171684
What's the point of the Twitter screencap? Are you actually a zoomer?

>>716171698
Nomura is a real deal savant and I mean that with all possible implications
Just wish they'd ban him from directing
Combat Director has to be a job title or something right?

>>716166417 (OP)
What's the point point of final fantasy being an action game when kingdom hearts already exists ?

>>716172009
Nomura can be a good director, he just needs minders and someone working on the Scenario Script that can push back against him.

>>716172139
KH is tied to Disney and when he tried to make "FF but KH" it was V13

>>716171943
That's NSP, the biggest FF content creator on YouTube, and even he says FF is dead and berried lmoa.

>>716167268
Wrong.

>>716172272
So you're a phoneposting zoomer. Got it.

/v is a true nigga board. they need sum of dat fifa and gta you know what i mean *smacks lips*

>>716172139
There are only 3 KH games worth playing. It's honestly criminal that more games don't implement something similar

>>716172409
Jrpgs are the 3rd most black genre of video games

>>716172318
Based. And fuck Nomura for ruining the sequel.

>>716172272
Embarrassing post.

>>716172272
Anon...There are times when its better to not answer honestly, or just not at all.

>>716166417 (OP)
>Will you ever stop begging for another turn-based Final Fantasy?
no.

>>716166417 (OP)
Metaphor has lack of fan art because the devs are retarded and refused to put dating sim elements in the game because they wanted to pretend they were better than Persona

>>716166417 (OP)
Re fantazio is good but not amazing

>>716166417 (OP)
No, I want a turn based FF and one that doesn't sucks like FF13

>>716170590
No they "flopped"
They sell perfectly fine, just not for the absurd budget and dev time square allots for them. They're viable products if the company is not retarded

>>716166417 (OP)
Still no official sales

>>716167942
>>E33
>Sold like 3 million copies
just like FF7 rebirth and FF16 lmao

>>716174645
>just like FF7 rebirth
Source?

>>716174645
>just like FF7 rebirth and FF16 lmao
With 1/100 the budget

>>716174847
>>716174385

>>716170673
Why doesn’t Nintendo and Sony shill their games on /v/ this much?

>>716166417 (OP)
Why do you seethe so much over what kinds of games other people want to play?

>>716175062
they are ethical companies with principles compare to Sand-scam Interactive

>more attempts to shit in the pot about how clearly turn-based games don't sell
Baldur's Gate 3. Oh, what's that, not REALLY what you're considering? Persona 5 Royal sold like hotcakes on Switch and Steam, and the 3 Reload remake did as well last year. What's that, an old game you don't think qualifies? Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door remake, Sea of Stars, Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, Dragon Quest 11, lets just cover the whole gamut.

Just stop already. Go play the never-ending deluge of action games you already have and stop complaining about turn-based. It doesn't offend you to exist.

>>716167021
>Metaphor seems prime for a standard Fatlus enhanced re-release since the base game is so barren and unfinished, hopefully then
Ohh, it will once it releases on the Switch 2

>>716166417 (OP)
>boomer turn based
>zoomie faggot art direction
>moralizing retard female lead

It deserved its failure

>>716166417 (OP)
>Metaphor
LUV THIS GAME!
https://youtu.be/f6oYPKB66LU

>>716166417 (OP)
>no romance
Kys.

>>716170673
>and not just normies that fell for a massive marketing/shillin
Sounds like most people who bought FF7 in 1997.

>>716175412
That was the only thing the game did right. Faggots that want shallow dating sim elements in every RPG have ruined the genre.

>>716166417 (OP)
>Single player game sells mostly near launch and then drops off
Someone call the presses, people are buying games, playing them and then finishing them! Games sell the most when they're new or there's a new update! Games journalists are retarded! Film at 11!

>>716166417 (OP)
>Will you ever stop begging for another turn-based Final Fantasy?
No I don't think I will.

>>716167032
the lesson here is that you need to add a parry slop button to please zoomers

>>716166417 (OP)
Turn based is kino. I honestly glad that divinity turn into a turn based vidya starting from original sin 1 instead of using the old model of hack and slash-like. I believe people who cant stand turn back vidya are bunch of adhd kids that are off from ritalin who wants to be in action, constantly in action; moving, fighting, dodging, slashing, but have no capacity to play souls game because its too hard and they wished that every other game adopt this laidback third person action style like that stupid nigger game final fantasy 16

>>716171501
FF fags=/=Turn based fans
FF hasn't been turn based for most of its lifetime either, what you're seeing is daily shitposting from a literal schizo trying to manufacture drama that doesn't exist

>>716179332
i'm an FF fag and i demand more turn based games

>>716167431
Not an rpg :)

>>716175039
your bot is broken.

>>716179332
>FF hasn't been turn based for most of its lifetime either
lol

>>716166417 (OP)
i'm 37 and i haven't played a JRPG in general in fifteen years

>>716171501
They were the glory days, back when mainstream had to pretend to appreciate them for effect.

>>716166643
lol E33 sold less than FF16 and over half of its sales were in China.

>>716183230
Wait til you find out your precious ff7 wasn't turn-based

>>716183846
CHIN.. i mean SONY KEEPS WINNING

>>716166417 (OP)
literally every Jrpg would be better if all of them had FF7 Rebirth's combat.

>>716183907
keep being retarded and pretending that ATB isn't turn based.

>>716184192
It isn't keep coping

>>716166417 (OP)
that was the most astroturfed game I've ever seen

it's persona with a vastly inferior set of characters. people still talk about characters in P3/4/5 but I've NEVER seen anyone talk about any character in metaphor.

and the gameplay is vastly inferior to SMT5 which came out just a few years ago

It sold as much as FF7 Rebirth and cost about 10% of that to make.

>>716183846

>>716166417 (OP)
I just want World of Final Fantasy 2, man. You can keep the shitty mainline games, shouldn't mean I have to suffer as a side game enjoyer.
But it's SE, so of course I will. We all will.

>>716184192
Correct, real-time isn't turn-based

>>716176197
>shallow dating sim elements
Unicorn Overlord did it just fine, faglords at Fatlus could've done it with their king game too. Not shallow, even.

Does anyone ITT believe that this entire thread is NOT just one mad Final Faggotroons coping about his dead series?

>>716184441
>>716184753
I look forward to the next SE branch closure.
FF has been absolute shit for over 20 years now.

>>716185017
>Unicorn Overlord did it just fine
If you're the kind of person who likes shitty dating sim mechanics, sure.

>>716185314
Absolutely, get fucked. Events are cute and everything. The extent of a romance story for men is literally "girl's attractive, likes you, and not a whore". Such complexity.

>>716185038
>atlus fag vs FF fags vs New e33 fags

oh boy, i sure love this board!

>>716185314
UO is fun for the gameplay foremost, just like Rance.
people don't play it for the romance, fag.

>>716166417 (OP)
FFV is the best game in the series and it's not close.

>>716185448
Shit eater.

>>716185510
>people don't play it for the romance, fag.
Shallow dating sim elements make every game worse. No exceptions.

>>716185692
You are either gay or a woman. Both are tragic.

>>716185692
get fucked, retard.

>>716185775
Nope, but you're either a woman or some kind of chink if you think shitty dating sim mechanics in RPGs are good.

>>716185874
I literally didn't buy Metaphor because of the thing, and I seem to have dick and balls attached. Must be a you problem.

>>716166417 (OP)
/v/ Atlus bros.... they're making fun of us again... please teach them a lesson...

>>716166417 (OP)
All anime and video game girls want to be with East Asian Jomon men only.

i lost interest when I learned you can't fuck red head elf, but I'll play it in ten years

>>716185314
Oh no, the game let you talk to a girl and unlock a tiny cutscene, call the police. If even that level of interaction makes you seethe, I can’t imagine the mental breakdown Persona 4 must’ve given you.

I've never seen or met a metaphor fan that wasn't insufferably gay. They'll never admit it just another fatlus game that blows its load early like LITERALLY every single atlus game

>>716186016
>giving a fuck about what /v/fags think
lol

>>716176197
Kys faggot

>>716186195
P4 is trash, yes. You're a faggot with shit taste in games.

>>716166417 (OP)
Atlus has built a reputation for rereleasing their games like a year or two after they first put it out, and I heard this one has a rushed last third, not my fault I'm inclined to get it later on.

>no romance
>game flops
Wow it's almost like people actually want a reason to care about the story

>muh gameplay
It's fatlus. The gameplay is always the same old shit. If I wanted real gameplay I'd play quake. I play fatlus games for a okay story and characters to actually get invested in

>>716185017
I do not think you wish to bring up Unicorn Overlord. Better idea would have been to bring up Fire Emblem. Even that series is a TRPG but manages to still have a huge audience due to the dating sim element.

>>716166417 (OP)
metaphor had one of the most insane honeymoon periods i think ive ever seen for a game
that first week it was out people were acting like it was a genre defining masterpiece but almost everybody i've talked to about it now calls it mid

>>716186670
Your friends sound like fags desu

>>716176197
This. I fucking hate how the shallow dating sim crap that takes up 10 minutes of content at best per playthrough is all these faggots ever care about in JRPGs anymore. Cumbrains ruined gaming.

>>716166643
>parryslop 33 fags trying to tag team with Pokémon
KYS you shit-taste having turdworlder monkey

>>716186670
everyone who play jrpg constantly would have notice that it was an OK game, the art direction was all over the place and the plot somehow was somehow worse than SMTVV and that game has almost 0%, only the gameplay was somehow good and even them it was a no totally persona game, P3R, SMTVV and UO were much better games from atlus last year.

>>716186714
Nah, he's right it's mid

>>716186751
Then tell those japs to make the jrpgs more interesting than the romance.

>>716186751
Bioware actually started this shit with BG2. I blame them. Then Japan merged dating sim VNs with JRPGs and marketed them to faggots that only care about that.

The hype surrounding this game was genuinely surreal. Mediocre job system below +30 years old FF5, average dungeons, garbage social stuff from Persona, ugly visuals, bad writing and even disappointing OST for an Atlus game.

I thought despite everything /v/ermings would see through its sloppiness in a year with RPG gems like Romancing Saga 2 and Reverse Collapse: Code Name Bakery, but they had the nerve to call it GOTY. kek

I shouldn't have expected any better from the same /v/ermings who think Xenoblade 3 was the second best game of 2022 when the masterpiece Crystal Project was released in the same year.

>>716186876
>the art direction was all over the place
I don't agree entirely with everything else said, but this was undeniable. The game has a few okay area's, but it's fucking UGLY in 90% of the rest. If they were going to go with basic ass empty square and circle zones with non-bump mapped flat ground textures, they could've at least made them pretty

>>716170982
>a game that didn't have any ads
Are you kidding? Metabore had fucking marketing out the ass. And that's not even mentioning the aggressive shilling we saw on this very site.

>>716166417 (OP)
I dont think they should be so against trying it looking at what systems they've done since. It took two decades since the last turn based game for them to finally put up something passable in the 7 remake

Metaphor was a surprisingly ugly looking game

>>716166417 (OP)
>nooo FF will flop
Its already doing that, I actually hope they keep doing that so they go out of business and the IP ends up in someone else's hands. Can't be any worse than what they're doing with it.

>>716166417 (OP)
Lightning Returns wasn't turn-based, retard.

>>716187979
They really though vaguely resembling a time period like IV would be enough.

>>716188139
>And that's not even mentioning the aggressive shilling we saw on this very site.
That the opposite of the intended effect on me, those people having emotional breakdowns over the game wasn't good optics for the game. I wonder if I'm the exception on that.

Rebirth unironically is the greatest combat system put in a game for me
Loved it, dont really want them to go back. They should also not go the ff16 route where they simplified too many things like removing the elemental damages, materia etc

>>716189495
This

>>716189495
>Rebirth unironically is the greatest combat system put in a game for me
in vidya as a whole? nah
in FF franchise? absolutely

>>716191478
>in vidya as a whole
for me yeah. I dont think I enjoyed combat this much in any game. Especially on hard difficulty where it becomes even better

>>716189495
>>716191217
>>716191478
>>716192420
kys shill

>>716166417 (OP)
I think the problem with turn-based around the PS3/Xbox area was because of how slow they were.
They've gotten better at speeding up animations so they have their appeal again.

>>716166417 (OP)
I like turn based games and I don't beg for FF to go back to the format, it's a pointless thing to do really, especially on here of all places.
>2 million sales is a flop
huh? it was an entirely new IP and sold as much as Infinite Wealth and P3R did.

>>716166417 (OP)
We just think there is room for less arpg-slop in mainline FFs, especially when they also sell like shit anyway. But to be clear, even if SE did make one, it would likely still be terrible since the company has been completely souless for 20 years.

>>716193302
it really just depends on who at SE is working on it, DQXI came out in 2019 and was perfectly fine.

>>716166417 (OP)
metaflop sold less in 1 year than E33 sold in a month.

>>716187914
>The hype surrounding this game was genuinely surreal. Mediocre job system below +30 years old FF5, average dungeons, garbage social stuff from Persona, ugly visuals, bad writing and even disappointing OST for an Atlus game.
It's funny because if you just change FFV job system to any SNES or PS1 JRPG with gimmick input combat, the describes E33 as well.

>>716193824
it has average dungeons but the rest don't really apply.

>>716187914
>who think Xenoblade 3 was the second best game of 2022
I see you're trying to weasel that in.

Why do /v/troons seethe about Metaphor so much?

>>716194391
what modern game doesn't this place seethe about?

>>716169058
Oh, so now we trust professional game reviewers?

>>716194391
They do? Most posts about Metaphor I've seen here are from Atlus fans circlejerking about the girls

>>716166417 (OP)
Metaphor sucks ass. The last thing anyone wants is Japanese people to attempt western SJW messaging in their games. one of the reasons people play Japanese games to avoid that shit.
Kiseki series is introducing similar social commentary messaging too.

Also, LR flopped? News to me, but I didn’t like the time system. XIII-2 is kino and one of the best main FF games in my opinion.

>>716187914
>Romancing SaGa 2 remake
>Gem
There's nothing more embarassing than a pleb trying to pass off as something more than he actually is

>>716194639
it's impressive how many bad opinions you've managed to fit into one post.

>>716192589
Wrong they were just poorly written and targeted to wrong audience. The other turn based JRPG stuff was fine and good and stuck to the formula well with decent plots and even some waifudating side questing. Final Fantasy just never recovered.

>>716166643
Pokemon is its own thing entirely.

>>716166643
clair obscur did well in spite of being turn based and not because of it. even the fans of it here don't like turn based games and only played for the story. same thing happened with bg3. warhammer roguetrader came out afterwards and it got little to no bump because people don't want to play crpgs they want to play bg3.

>>716175062
Sony games are hard to shill because they are fucking ugly now. Last that were hard shilled were gow and uncharted.
>Nintendo
Actually those are hard shilled here and even mods make sure to remove the competition and allow multiple threads. If you make 2 threads about a non Nintendo game you get buy an ad while 8 threads about dk Zelda is allowed

>>716170673
>It's okay to spam donkey Kong

>>716175597
You need to get over it tendie

>>716192529
Drink bleach negro faggot manlet

Yes if the story is fast paced and not a JRPG classic slog, the biggest problem wth Metaphor and Persona is that you lose like 4 to 5 hours in side plots that go nowhere for a small progress in the main story, it gets boring fast.

Metaphor failed because it's a bad game and has zero normie appeal whatsoever.

can we talk about turn BASED games instead of having the hundredth jrpg fanboy/shill slapfight?
What's new and fun in the genre? It bothers me to look for a genre on steam and not being able to filter shitty subgenres like roguelite/deckbuilder easily.

>>716166417 (OP)
It's a decent game, the story could have been more mature because sometimes it feels like you are being treated like a toddler and the worst offender is that you have the stupid sexy fairy and her bare feet in your face for the fucking whole game and you can't sex her or even date her, what were they thinking? Other than that a solid 7/10 game.

>>716166417 (OP)
Turn based combat is fundamentally shit on so many levels. The call for it to come back is the most retarded, desperate clawing at a nostalgic childhood I've ever seen. "I want games to be the same as when I was 10" is not a game design critique or argument anyone should take seriously.

If you absolutely must have turn based combat then make an srpg or innovate like with radiant historia, 4 retards standing in a line while you fuck around in boring menus deciding whether to attack block or heal is mindless game design.

>Shitty barry thread
All turn based is good

All action is good

Both sides are retarded

Turnbased games like Baldur's Gate 3 and Expedition 33 shit all over zoomer button masher slop, I don't know why Square still tries to appeal to zoomies since they only want to play roblox and fortnite anyway.

>>716180218
suck my dick and be my bitch

>>716166417 (OP)
It sold on hype alone and once it was out there nobody cared. I know a few nips with "high end" gaming devices who just didn't care. >>716166417 (OP)

>>716201292
That's gay and stupid. Stop being a faggot jeet

>>716166417 (OP)
>Will you ever stop begging for another turn-based Final Fantasy?

No, now shut the fuck up also im a millennial. People still go to Pokemon (a turn based JRPG) tournaments really makes you think.

>>716166417 (OP)
Weren't Final Fantasy 16 and 7 Rebirth both huge flops? One was an action game and the other used that lame hybrid combat system that is the worst of both worlds. I

>>716189495
>Rebirth unironically is the greatest combat system put in a game for me
Yep. Much more fun than even souls roll slop. You have so many abilities and so many characters to choose from, that all play a bit differently. The gameplay is just absolutely superb.

>>716166417 (OP)
I am not surprised that it flopped. Turn-based combat is just boomer trash.

>>716166643
Pokemon is baby's first RPG, of course it is turn-based. Not to mention that E33 is popular despite the shitty combat, not in spite of it. It only ever gets praise for the story and literally nothing else.

You lost

>>716166417 (OP)
No I'm old and frail now I dont want high impact combat I want a relaxing turn based story that doesnt make my wrists ache

>>716166417 (OP)
>turn-based games generally sell like dog shit
We know. It is just boomer slop for bad gamers and geriatrics.

>Persona 5 sold well despite being turn-based, because people liked that it is a hip Japanese teeny romance simulator.
Yep.

>Yakuza: Infinite Wealth broke sales records for the series after they dropped the turn-trash combat system they used in Yakuza: Like a Dragon.
Yep.

>>716202553

>>716166417 (OP)
oh no not metaphor clair obscura magna cum dingus drangus de sigma bingleberry de kamp Wienberg de Fantasio

Step up your game, Shartenix

>>716166417 (OP)
After seeing how woke the damn game is I'm glad it was already forgotten. hell it even has an "eat the bugs" line ffs

>>716166417 (OP)
You know the game is bad when their fags can only use controversy with shitty FF
Okay smtvv instead

>>716185558
based

Rebirth sold more btw

>>716204736
It's because it lacks Persona appeal and doesn't have SMT niche appeal either. It's a wet fart that was already forgotten in favor of Expedition 33

>>716166417 (OP)
Bro the fandom really killed the games interest

>>716204830
I don’t know why it wouldn’t appeal to Persona fans. It has the socializing and time management. It’s not like 3Hs where it’s a pale imitation, you can go to multiple places for activities. And it has better story and characters than 4 and 5. Is it just the lack of romance, even though those barely even make a blip in the actual games.

>>716166417 (OP)
DQXI, BG3 and E33 showed that turn based games still sell.
It's just that you need competent writing (story, characters, dialogue, worldbuilding, exposition) great music/atmosphere and passable gameplay.

Western turn based games (RPGs in general) were fucking dead
Most Japanese RPGs put themselves into a weird niche for some reason and never got out

>>716205280
No romance
>Plot
People don't talk about the plot unlike with expedition 33
All you talk about is muh ff sales muh goty

>>716205381
Who are you talking about? I just think Metaphor has better writing than P4 and 5 which are two of the most popular Persona games.

>>716185558
>FFV is the best game in the series and it's not close.
You have a truly shit taste. FFV is by far the worst Final Fantasy title of of the NES/SNES era.

FFVI > FFIV > FFI > FFIII > FFII > dog shit > FFV

BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!

>>716167942
>Sold like 3 million copies
What kind of cope is this? It sold 3.3 million copies in its first month. It's sold far more by now.

>>716189495
Too bad they bastardized the setting.

>>716195117
How Hashitno's dick taste, faggot?

Pathetic fanbase

>>716205663
2 had actual character development and 3 (not american 6) was just improved 1, no?

>>716166417 (OP)
We want the series to be turn-based again, so we can once again enjoy what we used to in the 90s and early 00s.

It isnt strictly about the gameplay, but turn based games also have
>lower budgets
>lower dev time
When you are making action games but shove even more bloat than your average turn based RPG it defeats the whole purpose

>>716166417 (OP)
Love me some turn based. Even if only zoomer slop which OP loves comes out from now on, I still have a whole catalog of games I can play, replay, and enjoy.

well I'm the one with the money and I won't buy a game if it is not turn-based so there's that. ohmm.

>>716206520
>be grown man
>cry for 10 years straight, because Final Fantasy isn't turn-based anymore
>repost hundreds of screencaps of posts on /v/ that trigger you
>lack the mental capacity to understand that SE can't make turn-based Final Fantasy RPGs anymore, because nobody would buy them
Now that is actually pathetic behavior. kek

>>716208365
>SE can't make turn-based Final Fantasy RPGs anymore, because nobody would buy them
lol

>>716208365
>nuTifa
lol, queer
btw they final finatsy doesn't sell period
imagine catering to the west lmao

>>716208404
Final Fantasy still suffers from having the image of a boomer series. SE simply embraced turn-cringe combat for way too long. Same goes for Dragon Quest.

>>716209772
True. The age of the average Japanese Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest gamer is... 42. lol

Source: https://kultur.jp/entertainment-average-ages-mtf-ratio/

>>716209772
lmao

>>716166417 (OP)
dont most games sell the most during the first month of release?

>>716210172
Finally some hard proof that turn-trash combat actually is geriatric boomer slop.

It is also pretty clear that clinging to turn-based combat for so many years (well into the PS3 era) truly harmed the series. Watching Lightning Returns flop must have been a huge wake-up call for Squeenix.

Does Metaphor get good if I give it a chance?
I bounced off this shit almost immediately and I usually like JRPGs.

>>716206597
You have that backwards. II had character development for a single character, Cid, while III had character development for a third of the major characters, including the Onion Kids.
>>716205663
I find that incomprehensible. I think V is the third best Final Fantasy and the only one I would actually consider flawless, which doesn't preclude some other games from having higher peaks in some aspects than it though.

Why the fuck is that even an article, of course sales dropped off, everyone that wants it now has it

>>716166417 (OP)
They stopped doing turn based because the japanese market realized westerners are too retarded to play them. Thats when action became big and to no one's surprise arpgs were a hit in the west where you need no brain

>Now that is actually pathetic behavior. kek

>>716166417 (OP)
Name implies it is reimagining something but it's just another persona game

>>716166417 (OP)
>Enix fucks up Squaresoft
>oh, FF is failing because people don't like turn-BASED games anymore
OP being a retarded faggot - a story as old as time
none of these stories have been remotely as good or creative as I-X

>>716194391
It's SEAnigs that wanted to tank the game by spamming threads here and failed

>>716214103
Isn't it nap time for you, boomer?

>>716212849
It was a clickbait article
Metaphor literally has the best 6 month run of any Atlus game and it took P3R over a year to clear its current sales, both multiplat and global launch at release

>>716169279
>>716169485
>>716169589
>>716194442
>immediate Stillbirth troon copeseethe
KEK, you love to see it

>>716171175
DELETE THIS, PLEASE

>>716166417 (OP)
>yet another thread insisting that this game flopped when it's been known for awhile that it was far from it
nuke southeast asia

>>716215096
>Expedition 33 thread
>Please rebirthfags support us!
Pathetic weebs

>>716166417 (OP)
>Will you ever stop begging for another turn-based Final Fantasy?
No. Final Fantasy should play like Final Fantasy. If it no longer does, then they should call it something else.

Also the reason I haven't bought Metaphor yet is because they haven't released the definitive version of the game yet. That's the case for lots of people.
I'm not going to get scammed into buying an inferior over and over with every game they release. Then I'd rather wait until the real version of the game releases.

You can't compare Baldur's gate 3's full fledged tactical combat with its traps, field effects and SHOVE with even the more involved row-based JRPG, because the focus those games will have will be hype moments and spectacle compared to the WRPG's interactivity and crunch
Theonly JRPG series that gets close to matching a similar complexity is Pokèmon, and even then only in very specific scenarios

>>716216265
>That's the case for lots of people
it really isn't
saying the game didn't sell well is gaslighting in of itself to begin with but barely anyone actually waits for the revision version to come out

>>716216447
It also seems to be the same person saying this in every thread it seems to pop up in kek
anti-Atlus minorities are a thing to behold

>>716216539
>It also seems to be the same person saying this
Because the definitive version of Metaphor hasn't released yet. I'm still waiting.
>anti-Atlus
I'm a fucking fan you dunce. I will genuinely buy the game the moment the proper version releases. Do you doubt me?

>>716216625
I hope they do not add romance in the Metaphor enhanced version, it would be bending the knee
new true ending forces canon Eupha marriage upon you

>>716216625
I support you anon, even though metaphor fags became too schizo. I also refuse to buy ys and atelier day one anymore.
Hell, I won't buy p6 day one

>>716166417 (OP)
wow almost like how the sales for every other fucking game work dipshit.

>>716167032
Metaphor Rehashtazio bros…

>>716205992
They could sell even more if they made more lumiere eeditionns...

>>716167079
the lesson here is to make a well paced jrpg with no filler, combat that requires some player input, non generic orchestra battle music, and good characters not tainted by anime garbage and writing
Seethe harde weeboid freak

>>716166417 (OP)

>quickly

Its been 10 months since the game first launched, that isn't quickly at all.

Considering the game was a stealth sequel to Etrian Odyssey that TRULY nobody played, it did pretty well.

>>716166417 (OP)
One of the biggest selling RPGs of all time is turn based (BG3).
The biggest selling Final Fantasy is a turn based (FFVII).

If the best selling RPG and the best selling FF are both turn based... what should we take from that other than that turn based sells better.

Let's compare. The new Baldur's Gare Dark Alliance (2021, made in unreal engine 4) was a real time action kind of lite RPG. It sold horribly compared to Baldur's Gate 3.

Final Fantasy XVI is barely an RPG and mostly just a devil may cry action game. It sold terribly compared to FFVII.

So if going action and stripping away RPG elements doesn't sell
And turn based RPG like BG3 and FF games like FFVII sell better

Why wouldn't they make a turn based RPG?

>>716194191
>but the rest don't really apply.
It needlessly took social links from Persona, the game has terrible ghosting and smearing, and the writing falls off a cliff when it turns into family drama. And for all the hype I heard about the OST, it was just okay and felt like it was trying to ape Yoko Shimamura's work too hard in a lot of places.

>>716212662
No, the game is the same boring shit for like 50 hours
>get to town
>something is happening in town
>do quests and find out what’s w happening
>repeat 4 times for 4 towns
For 40 hours, it’s fucking garbage

>>716218597
Man turnbased fags latching onto bg3 when that game is popular because of romance (gay furry everything) is hilarious
Next you will tell me love and deepspace is popular because it's action

>>716202458
>souls leveling
No.

>>716218619
That's because muted characters suck for long games like jrpgs are. Imagine FFX where Tidus doesn't talk, and characters barely interact so selfinserters don't feel cucked, not we see Tidus lashing out at Seymour.
Even Rean gives some appeal to his series.
Muted characters work well for games like ys or dating romance like Persona, not jrpgs

>>716177028
>>716167032
the lesson here is that singleplayer story driven games aren't meant to be beaten 30 times , you can't have the same amount of concurring players until the end of times , the online falling just meant people beat it and moved on, the same happened with Palworld, the same will happen with E33, why you retards measure singleplayer's game success in concurrent online like it's a fucking MMO, the only important thing is the sales amount

>>716218667
I see you have a bullshit argument that doesn't really matter for one. That tells me that, as full of shit as you are, you couldn't even stomach the amount of shit you'd have to spew to counter both points with a bullshit argument. If all it took for a game to sell BG3 numbers was nudity romance and sex scenes then every single individual romance game and probably the every porn game would be outselling BG3.

Now go back to eating shit.

>>716218919
Ok but what modern game has porn with attractive characters? Besides it rode on bg2 popularity too and that one wasn't turn based.

>>716219419
If I had to guess? 2077 is probably the closest in example. I'm not familiar with 77's sales though. Obviously it's not turn based, but it's the closest I can think of that has nudity, sex, and romance option in a modern game. If we go back a bit further... Maybe Witcher 3? It has nudity, sex, and romance. Basically you'd have to take a slice of their sales, and whittle them down to a comparable amount of years/timeframe rather than lifetime.

I'd agree it used BG branding, but I'm not entirely sure BG had as massive of a following as it does in the BG3 era.

FFVII and BG3 are likely successful due to a confluence of reasons that are hard to replicate all at once. I don't think it's impossible either, however. Rather than nudity and sex, outside of turn based, and RPG elements, the two similarities are obviously romance. The Tifa/Aerith thing.. but that's not working for Remake and Rebirth. So there's clearly something else going on.

I think it'd be worth doing a real study into the two games to figure out why, as turn based games, they work so well for so many people. I don't know for sure, but I think there was a bit of a zeitgeist surrounding their releases that dominod into higher sales as more and more people jumped on board with their friends and communities. Just a guess mind you. Not something I'm claiming to know for sure. The band wagon is easy to identify, but why that particular wagon is a bit harder to figure out.

I'm good. I got Trails, Yakuza, Exp33, and BG3 all in the last few years. Turnbased is doing fine without Final Fantasy.

FF7R combat is also quite good, it's the padding and writing decisions that suck.

>>716219883
Again, those are not turn based now. Cyberpunk only got a push thanks to the anime that guess what, got attractive characters.
>Remake Tifa Aerith
Because the trilogy is taking 10 years to be complete and people already know the story

>>716220185
This, give me that combat with a new plot and world, not extended for 3 games

>>716212662
It's good until the Final Act where it gives you a month of straight player freedom with 0 story structure and then a shit happy ending with little nuance.
The first 80% of the game was great. Less Stressful timegates than Persona to get all the side stuff done, fun dungeons and worldbuilding. It's a good game overall.

>>716218667
>Man turnbased fags latching onto bg3 when that game is popular because of romance (gay furry everything) is hilarious
Truth.

>>716218919
NOBODY EVER DISCUSSES ANYTHING ABOUT GAMEPLAY IN BG3
Its just porn and romance

>>716167079
turn based is boring every game should be like KH

>>716167268
Factually wrong.

>>716173518
Persona 1 and 2 didn't have dating sim bullshit and it was infinitely better than neo-persona.

>>716166417 (OP)
idk why people think turn-based JRPGs will ever be in again. every successful JRPG now has action as part of the central gameplay.

>>716166417 (OP)
Didn't Yakuza sell more copies than ever once it went turn based?

>>716166417 (OP)
I never even played final faggotry.

>>716175245
Yakuza becoming turn based ruined the new games.

>>716166643
>Compile Heart
>Good
You sound like someone who enjoys Spectral Tower.

>>716223774
DnD is an RP game my dude.
When people tell stories of their campaigns it's always what they did. Not what numbers they rolled for combat initiative.

>>716185017
>>716185314
>>716185448
>>716185945
>>716186195
>>716186664
>>716187394
Go on tinder losers stop being down bad for 2d women.

>>716166417 (OP)
Metaphor was just one of those RPG side projects ATLUS will put out from time to time.
Persona, too, was once one of those.
It getting a GOTY nomination is more indictive of the lack of real choices that year (a DLC also got nominated) than it is of the quality of the game.

metasnore is simply the quintessential milquetoast game. takes no risk, gains no reward. none of the characters are memorable besides the villain(who did nothing wrong) & the half naked pixie. atlus somehow manage to make a story about a multi-ethnic empire be the most pg-13 toned down potrayal of inter-ethnic conflict when we could have had naruto tier racism & warfare kino. combat & gameplay loop is serviceable, enemy variety is great. art direction is just awful. a 6/10 @ most really.
it's baffling to me atlus worked on this game for nearly a decade & this was the result.

>>716225983
So many words to say absolutely nothing

>>716225960
>side project
It's literally had better 6 month sales than any other atlus game anon
You might want it to be a flop because it reinforces how Atlus is never going back to pre-2000s style but it didn't

>>716226295
it is, anon. just like Soul Hackers, Raidou, Last Bible, Maken, Princess Crown, Devil Survivor, Ronde, they've always had side projects.
Metaphor is one of those.

>>716166417 (OP)
I am a leftist and even I think Hashino games have an obnoxiously resetera friendly vibe to them, it just doesn’t have the teeth that other SMT/persona games have except for 3

>>716226704
It was never intended that way from the moment they announced it, and it didn't sell that way either. Put all those games LTD together and you still wouldn't clear metaphor's 6 month numbers

>>716226704
Metaphor is like the modern reboot of last Bible, like Devil Survivor was for Majin Tensei and why they removed devil summoner from soul hackers 2

>>716226875
catherina's social link is one of the most direct right wing propaganda i've ever seen in a game

>>716166417 (OP)
>Single player 80+ hour JRPG got most of its sales around release
I mean, yeah, obviously. Anyone who wanted it immediately got it already. Anyone who hasn't gotten it by now is probably waiting for a deeper sale. You could look at any other game like this and see a similar trend.

>>716226875
>the teeth
Most of the former mainline games are comically edgy at most

>>716166417 (OP)
>>716166643
I love turn based games.
But I am never playing e33 due to how hard it is being shilled.

Is bravely default 2 any good?

>>716227160
It's fun but the last act really shits the bed because the money ran out

>>716224438
>is only good if you play on the hardest difficulty with gimped stats
>somehow failed to ever reproduce a single good idea from this game afterwards

>>716227328
You can blame FF namely 15 and its dog shit development schedule. Idk how KH3 babies justify paid add on content to fix the dog shit game that was kh3.

>>716227218
You think everyone JRPG DEV would have learned from Xenogears.

Start work on the Beginning and End simultaneously, then meet in the middle.

>>716227404
Probably because 2FM was a full price revision of KH2 in the first place

>>716227457
Everyone in the west experienced 2FM in those HD bundles that should've been the OG release anyway. Criminal how dirty they did the western audiences with the OG KH games.

>>716226026
Yeah that's Metaphor in a nutshell

>>716227554
>those HD bundles
Came out years and years after the original releases, really the KH3 model is the single least scummy thing they've ever done with the franchise

>>716166417 (OP)
This game would have sold 10 times more if they just called it persona 6, which is basically what it is anyway.

The discourse around Square Enix is so bizarre. NEO TWEWY and Romancing Saga 2 are easily two of the best RPGs of this decade. I haven't played OT2 but i lot of people seem to love it. There are a lot of good things to love about Harvestella if you don't expect a Harvest Moon clone from it. Most people who played loved DQXI and Rebirth. I don't play MMOs but FF14 and DQX are still popular.

I see much more soul in current SE than Nintendo or Atlus. In my whole playthrough of Metaphor i wished i was playing SMT3 instead. Same about MK World and Bananza in relation to MK8 and Odyssey.

>>716227897
P5 is still selling roughly 1.5 million every year but beyond that it doesn't seem like it matters much. P3 Reload only barely managed to clear 2 million sales after over an entire year on the market which Metaphor did more than twice as fast without the brand name

>>716227716
You are actually retarded if you think that.
>KH3
>Wait a gorillion years for release
>Game costs 60+ dollars
>piss easy game
>wait another 1-2 years for DLC to "fix" game
>costs 30 dollars
>Whole game is 90+ dollars and even the DLC doesn't fix the majority of the game because the world depth and difficulty is still piss easy

Only way you can say the HD bundles are a scam is if you bought every single KH game on release. If you are a newer fan of the games you are saving mad money buying those bundles and the quality is miles ahead of the OG games.

>>716166417 (OP)
i dont care as long as they make a good game

they haven't made a decent final fantasy in fucking forever. maybe if they try turn-based next they'll succeed. because the action games they've made are hot garbage

it's a shitty woke garbage persona clone without any of the elements that make persona enjoyable

>>716228014
Forgot KH3. Great game with some of the best bosses in the industry if you play ReMind.

>>716228150
This is genuine coping, how long it took 3 to come out at all is irrelevant, KH2 was also a wait plagued with delays and there was only a single gba game that came out between it and KH1 unlesss you lived in Japan. The revisions were Japan only for years, were sold at full price, came with both a software AND hardware import barrier unless you owned a SwapMagic, and literally the only people that would look at the releases and say KH3 treated customers poorly relative to anything else in the series when it put out a $30 DLC like a year later are zoomers that only got in when the HD releases came out with years of the same shitty practice being totally bypassed. Same thing with FFX and FFXII except for XII it took even longer for the revised version to escape Japan. And on some level it never really did because Zodiac Age has a number of changes on top.

>>716168949
Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth is better than E33

>>716228267
Southeast asia should've been nuked too

>>716228603
>He really is going to compare the wait of KH 2 to KH 3

Lol, lmao even

>Being salty about paying for games from like 10+ years ago
>but defending paid dlc which has been plaguing the gaming market since the ps3 era

I can't tell if you're poor, a SE shill defending KH 3 that was still shit outside of the Yozora fight or a zoomer yourself who doesn't remember a time where JewLC wasn't a common business practice in the games industry. Never thought I would see the day where /v/ users would defend games companies chopping up a game and reselling it to you as DLC but here we are. Even reddit is not this bad. Jesus.

>>716228715
Infinite Wealth had a very forgettable story

>>716166417 (OP)
I cancelled my pre-order when they censored the ass. In fact, I'm never buying Fatlus games in general anymore because they are even censoring the demons now too.

>>716166417 (OP)
Let me translate this for the illiterate:
Will you ever stop begging for another turn-based Final Fantasy?
>will you ever stop begging for the successful formula of final fantasy that made a lot of money?
I get the feeling you want the series to be turn-based again, just so you can watch it flop like Lightning Returns (Final Fantasy XIII Part 3)
>I get the feeling you want it that just so you can see it fail like the worst sequel to the worst game in the series
or even pic related did.
>or like this incredibly well reviewed and decent selling successful original title by a completely different company
See how silly and nonsensical the post is? It's too late for me to save this thread, but I want you to see the spider behind the web they spin.

>>716229045
Gameplay is king

>>716166417 (OP)
Metaphor Refantazio was the best game of 2024, who cares how much it sold

>>716166417 (OP)
I hate games with femboy protags. Its like playing basketball wearing a tutu

>>716229002
KH2 launched without half of the org xiii cutscenes, missing christmas town content, any superboss besides sephiroth, no limit form, no cavern of remembrance or data org, no roxas fight, mushroom heartless, or crowns, a super short version of the BBS secret movie, among other things
Just because you weren't out of diapers until after the issue was resolved doesn't somehow keep the DLC in 3 from being a much better solution

>>716229401
SEA does, they want you to think it flopped when it didn't

>>716229074
Imagine Persona 6 without Ann Takamaki in a skin tight cat suit. Ugh.

>>716229386
I think SMTVV has them both beat in gameplay. Same with Metaphor I didn't really like the archetype system much and the synthesis skills were laughably OP

>>716229738
I'm sure it'll sell just fine without it

>>716175245
BG3 sell well because of the sex and player choices.

>>716229619
Motherfucker I played every single KH game on release. OG kh2 was so forgettable I always found myself wondering why everyone was hyping it up and loved KH 1 for the fact it had those secret boss fights, the ultima keyblade and other side content over Kh2. This still doesn't justify chopping up a game after fucking charging their consumer base for 60 dollars under the false pretense that the game was the complete addition only for them to shoehorn in DLC that barely fixes the game. I bet you also you think melody of memories is justified in its 40+ dollar price tag when back in the days when games like kh1 and 2 released shit like that would cost 5 dollars at best so stop projecting to me about a time in video games that you obviously never experienced zoom zoom.

>>716167907
male/female consumer ratio and average age I assume?

>>716230119
Exactly, but they need to larp as victims somehow

>>716175245
That's fine and all but then you have games like dmc, gow, and souls selling more

Man, when next time EE33 announces copies sold, this board is going to burn in hellfire

>>716230484
Exactly, wrpgs>>>>>>>weeb shit

>>716218667
>>716222682
Even more funny is because I am pretty sure back when it came out, it was used to shit on Bethesda over player choice not the combat system,

>>716224438
Kingdom hearts are probably the worst games I've ever played. They're actually insulting.

>>716166417 (OP)
This game was a forced meme. Fatlus is shit

>>716166417 (OP)
this is just common in this weird age we live in where we bother to throw PC sharts a bone and release it on their shartform, only to have them shart in our face and steal the game

>>716166417 (OP)
The funny thing about Metaphor is that if you add a parry then you got E33's combat system, they copied everything from these Persona games. Even some of the animations are eerily similar.

>>716225330
Persona 3 reload, metaphor and smt5 were massive successes and came out in the same year.

>>716208365
Bro is seething so hard that it lost GOTY

>>716230484
Probably not because the gaslight on that game is pretty much over and most people know about the CEO's neopbabby status and how filthy rich his family is

>>716230717
Metaphor was a mixup of a ton of Atlus properties. The similarities are the same on purpose.
>raidou'a attack string for one handed swords in the overworld
>persona calendar system.
>archetype map like DDS
>MT spell names
>SMT press turn
>Etrian odyssey line system, full dungeon and island named after it
Lots more I'm forgetting. Your only experience is Persona so that's all you recognize.

>>716166417 (OP)
Like the only jrpg that can break the 6 millions is Persona and after years of sales.
Weeb jrpgs usually dont break 3 millions, it's all on realistic aesthetics now and nips are too slow and cheap to make it

>>716230454
You think Square Enix makes action games that appeals to DMC/GOW/Souls fans? This is a major problem with Square Enix and why I have little faith in their ability to make an action FF with good combat.

>>716230941
>>archetype map like DDS
You're forgetting the synthesis skills are straight from DDS as well

>>716231068
The idea was to ride on gow2018 success, but reality is that big appeal of gow is Kratos and people wanted to see more of him
Ff16 could have worked with a party system and releasing on PS4/PC day one

>>716231065
Genshin Impact is a weeb jrpg. There is not much reason why a weeb jrpg with the level of Genshin production cannot be a major hit. Issue is that I am not convinced japanese studios are capable of pulling it off.

2B culo and Tifa tetas are carrying square Enix

>>716231194
How the fuck is it possible to ride on GOW2018 success with a game that has less RPG elements than GOW2018? That has way more shallow combat and no difficulty?

>>716230614
Filtered, many such cases.

>>716231242
Genshin impact is a CHINESE gacha. Chinks can just work faster
>There is not much reason why a weeb jrpg with the level of Genshin production cannot be a major hit
That only works on gacha since most weebs moved there. They can also lorepost in real time which is the biggest appeal like with anime.
But for single player games the ones that seems to be doing better are the ones with realistic attractive characters.

>>716231310
Dunno, game was probably them recycling Fortress project too since maps and character look too fucking similar and Basch had the aging thing too

>>716231065
>break the 6 millions
And a ching chong nip nog to you

>>716228014
Same, fucking posers

>>716230454
Something may sell "more" but you can't just lolcopy their homework and expect to make the same fucking sales. And just because it sells better in normie audiences doesn't mean you should throw everything to the wastes and pursue bigger numbers without a back-up plan. Something Japanese third-party publishers went all in on over a decade ago and they nearly crashed and burned entirely over, because it was a bad idea.
If you have something you're good at, you do not abandon that to make something you're not good at or outsource for cheap hoping to capture that.

>>716230721
they added action and such to combat, hit weakness, pile on enemies, do 4x damage, ect

>>716232652
That's not action, anon, that's reaction. Doing something that causes an effect that allows you to hit a follow-up prompt or incentivizes aggressive play and such, isn't the same as Paper Mario / Expedition 33 QTEs for evasion or bolstering attacks and stuff.

>>716232850
call it whatever you want, it surpasses previous JRPG games in turn based

>>716226930