What is his deal? Did Noelle summon an otherdimensional demon through modding her game too much?

>>716202925 (OP)
you aren't transgender the people on discord and bluesky are perverts who jack off to the thought of you cutting your cock off and killing yourself

>>716203225
fpbp

THE KNIGHT GOT NERFED (real)

Amazing that out of all the horrible deranged creatures that populate this game, this guy is the most fucking disgusting thing in it. His overbearing faggotry ruined two characters I liked in Chapter 3.

>>716202925 (OP)
I don't know but it feels like Kris is closer to Dess than anyone in his own family, and if Dess is the Roaring Knight, that would explain why she lowers him with almost loving gentleness if you deplete enough HP to get the shadow crystal. I think "Don't Forget" was written by Dess for Kris. I don't know why I like this idea so much, but I do, there's something sweet about that kind of platonic love even in this dark kind of story.

>>716204104
>I think "Don't Forget" was written by Dess for Kris.
Look at its lyrics and now remember what the phone said in the chapter 4 ending
> ...
> Kris...
> ...
> don't
> forget,
> Kris...
> ...
> you promised.

Pet the dino

Can somebody explain why Ralsei feels so different in 3 and 4 compared to 1 and 2? It he firmly believes that Darkner lives don't matter and aren't real, and their only purpose is to be useful to Lightners, why does he put so much emphasis on making friends with them in the first chapter?

>THE KNIGHT GOT NERFED
THE KNIGHT GOT NERFED
>THE KNIGHT GOT NERFED
THE KNIGHT GOT NERFED

>>716204472
Why? I thought the fight was supposed to be infuriating. I was enjoying my anger when I fought it, it made it satisfying to beat.

>>716204389
It wasn't about Darkners themselves, he was afraid of Susie becoming too aggressive.
> * Perhaps I shouldn't have been so hard on her.
> * But, I just worry that if Susie is too eager to fight...
> * Then...
> * Well, let's just be kind to her, OK, Kris?
> * I'm sure Susie'll come around soon!

This may have something to do with his plan to change the prophecy.
> * So let's try our best to get by without FIGHTing.
> * If we can manage to do that...
> * I believe this tale may have a happy ending.
> * Otherwise, I fear that...
> * ... you may not... find the result favorable.

>>716204513
One attack got nerfed to make it easier to do no-hit, it wasn't even the hardest one so it won't affect the regular runs too much.

What was the point of the church fountain?
>School
>Muh Susie
>Library
>Muh Noelle
>Kris's house
>Muh Kris/Toriel/Undine
>Church
>Muh ??? Hey look Gerson
Yeah Sans Undertale might have cockblocked the Knight, but it had no reason to stay in the dark world If she wanted Toriel. The Knight seems to be grooming the Fun Gang for something

>>716204513
Only the sword tunnel got nerfed because Youtubers complained

Sans will be in the chapter 5 dark world

>>716204561
Looking into it, it looks like they just resuced the sword tunnel hitbox to fit the actual sprite so it feels less like complete bullshit. Seems fair enough, I was worried they'd reduce the fucktons of damage it deals or slow down the attacks.

>>716204389
>>716204526
Oh, and another thing to note - Ralsei and Kris really don't want Noelle to get involved in Dark World stuff, and Snowgrave route in chapter 2 is all about desensitizing Noelle to violence. This may also be important.

>>716203932
No she got buffed and is going to beat me to death with her guitar in ch 6

>>716204641
They'll play this song for him if you fight him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47GvY9rOMUs

>>716203932
I am back to being skeptical about the shadow crystals being used to unlock the true ending. True Pacifist in Undertale never challenges you in any way so I doubt Toby is gonna make the teenage girls that populate the fandom do all the secret bosses to get their hecking wholesome ending.

>>716202925 (OP)
So what's the point of friend?
I'm not sure what purpose it serves for the story besides schizoposting

>>716204582
>What was the point of the church fountain?
To give Gerson a shadow crystal and turn him into a schizo like Jevil, but he didn't care about "freedom"

>>716204859
Deltarune is Mancountry.

Why did toby make me the final boss of ch4

>>716203963
LET ME SAYETH

>>716203225
You seriously need to be banned for derailing threads constantly. Nobody said anything about transgenders and you brought it up. This is a threat about deltarune.

>>716204947
>NON MEN ARE A-OKAY, TOO.

>>716204268
I love these two dorks so much

>>716204472
I'm wondering if intentionally dying to Jackenstein 3 times is faster than just fighting regularly

>>716205182
>Nobody said anything about transgenders and you brought it up
Anon, it's a Deltarune thread. It's a given.

>>716205342
I thought the same thing

>>716205042
Because you're a giant baby

>>716205214
Yes, but it's still a man's world.

>>716204593
The sword tunnel was pretty silly so I feel like that's fine. The hitbox a lot bigger than it seems. I could avoid Sans' tunnel every time but the Knight's kept fucking me up.

>MANCOUNTRY
>a true man's world
>mandom
>kris is in a timeloop

>>716204859
>True Pacifist in Undertale never challenges you in any way
Come on, the fights aren't hard-hard, as in you won't be stuck anywhere grinding for hours, but they are challenging. You'll die in at least a few places the first time you play through the game doing true pacifist. Plus the difficulty ramps up the further you get in the game, with the exception of possibly the neutral and pacifist Flowey/Asriel fights, which are more meant to be story-significant emotional spectacles, but which still require you to not completely suck ass to get through them.

>>716205462
The man with the eggs is Kris from the future.

>>716205510
Toby could never do this without being lynched

>The plot thread about Undyne lying to Papyrus about becoming a royal guard was never tied
I wonder what purpose he'll serve in Deltarune.
Maybe he's a PI that gets brought in to figure out where the missing police chief went.
Funny little nod to him being good at puzzles.

>>716205547
Toby will be regarded as a hero if he does it.

>>716205568
>The plot thread about Undyne lying to Papyrus about becoming a royal guard was never tied
He becomes a figurehead Royal Guard in Neutral Pacifist ending and Undyne's consort in Undyne ending.

>>716204859
If Deltarune only has one ending, and weird route will just give you a worse ending, then my guess is that the most you'd get out of Shadow Crystals are additional content with extra lore and interactions. You don't even need the Shadow Mantle to beat the Knight, but doing so will make the fight easier, and you get to learn what happened between Tenna and Spamton.

The same could be said about the eggs, but we're just learning about Kris.

>>716205713
Those aren't canon, and even then they're more joke positions anyway.

>>716202925 (OP)
It's just one of the many avatars of the primordial fear of dark, nothing more, and you guys are going to be very disappointed when your fanfiction won't be proven right

>>716205826
Well, how else you are supposed to tie it? Royal Guard is disbanded in True Pacifist ending and Undyne and Papyrus are dead in Genocide.

>>716205568
Also we finally see his Special Attack.
>I HAVE A GUN NOW. THAT'S MY ATTACK!
>*Nyeh Heh Heh! becomes Bonetrousle*

>>716205826
>Those aren't canon
retard

>>716206026
You know what I meant.

>>716202925 (OP)
Toby is just straight up bad at making games

>>716205182
>You seriously need to be banned

back to r*ddit if you want to be a sensitive retard

>>716205494
Anon, none of the fights in pacifist Undertale are as hard as the Roaring Knight, who is harder than Undyne the Undying.

The Shadow Crystals may as well be extra challenges that may change the story AT MOST but the ending remains the same.
Although Gerson feels like a mandatory boss that moved to an optional one because how it feels integrated to the story and Susie's character development

>>716204472
They just fixed the only bullshit attack.

>>716206059
It shows that he has a lot of potential, but he fell in with a bad crowd.

>>716206059
>literal trannyshit in rimworld
next

>>716206059
He might be a complete fag, but he's an extremely good vidya writer (at least judging by Undertale, we'll see where Deltarune goes), and an extremely good vidya music composer.

>>716206192
Kek

>>716206059
I don't even know the game on the left

>>716206368
This is all you need to know: https://youtu.be/IC96TbNmA2A
Playing the game itself is unironically only for hyperautists who also play Dwarf Fortress

>>716206130
>Anon, none of the fights in pacifist Undertale are as hard as the Roaring Knight, who is harder than Undyne the Undying.
I'll agree with you, that The Knight is harder than all the fights in Undertale's true pacifist, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's harder than Undyne on the genocide route. That fight is quite challenging. However, the knight being harder than UT's pacifist bosses doesn't mean that UT's pacifist route lacks any challenge whatsoever. It's still appropriately challenging with an appropriate difficulty curve to keep you engaged.

>>716206159
Anon, this is nothing. You need to happen to read that specific backstory among dozens to notice it, and this has no bearing on the gameplay.

>>716206368
Yeah, because you are a faggot

>>716206368
I do.

>>716206192
> but he's an extremely good vidya writer
He is not.
The endings of Undertale contradict each other, and the character Chara is essentially one huge plot hole and a bundle of inconsistency.
I like his games for how they handle player agency, but let’s not exaggerate Toby’s writing skills.

>>716206368
It's fine but it's so different to Undertale that it'd be disingenuous to compare the two, let alone make the "muh aryan game man" meme picture presented

>>716206592
>The endings of Undertale contradict each other
how so?
>and the character Chara is essentially one huge plot hole and a bundle of inconsistency.
care to elaborate more?

>>716206059
Uh oh, what happened to the previous nordic guy?

>>716206592
>He is not.
He is. It's one of the best written games I've ever played and I'm not ashamed to say it. But it's not a high-IQ thing to get Undertale, anon, and you haven't demonstrated that you even understood the themes of that game.

>>716206779
> It's one of the best written games I've ever played
What, are you 20 years old or something? Or maybe you haven’t played anything since then?
Careful, don’t say that in polite company, weirdo.

>>716206779
You need to play more games.

>>716206059

>>716204930
>So what's the point of friend? I'm not sure what purpose it serves for the story besides schizoposting

He is implied to be the one who attracted Kris/Noelle/Dess/Asriel to the shelter and is the one who drove Spamton/Jevil crazy. Probably the final boss in the normal route or something.

>>716206913
Fuckin’ amazing. It’s as if he’s shitting Beethoven from his fingertips.

>>716206440
If it's nothing then why include it? The devs must've thought it was a valuable addition to the game, and that's reason enough not to support it.

>>716202925 (OP)
FRIEND is Ralsei
>>716204930
Worldbuilding on Noelle's glitch-hunting stuff and also giving a reason for Dess's dissapearance that can be tied back to Noelle's affinity to that sort of thing

>>716206913
Absolutely seething

All I need from Toby is to make ONE track that recaptures the indescribable magic of 1:06 of Planet Healer

>>716206978
I think it was a Kickstarter thing. Just like So Sorry in Undertale.

>>716207019
It was exactly that and he even was cancelled for that by woke freaks

>>716203963
But he has a laser pointer, how can you beat that?

>>716205494
>>716204859
Maybe I'm just a retard but I played UT for the first time after playing DR and somehow died more times in UT when you exclude the secret bosses. It's not particularly hard to run out of items and gold, which is not an issue in DR due to TP.

>>716206978
nta but when rimworld was getting kickstarted you could pay to have a pawn with a specific backstory added to the game
one of them is a music idol who starts fucking her dad after her mom dies

>>716203963
Prediction: the Fun Gang will eventually earn Rouxls's loyalty by painting angry eyebrows on Ralsei and making him pretend to be the EVIL Dark Prince, dictator of Castle Town

>>716206852
>>716206909
I know that you're a bunch of le irony-poisoned weirdos that are terminally afraid of making emotionally committal statements, or ones displaying any emotional investment beyond communicating being horny, so you frown upon someone giving something genuine high praise, but I don't frankly care. I've played a shit ton of video games, and the opinion I'm expressing isn't at all unique among people with similarly extensive vidya-playing backlogs. So I don't even buy your incredulity.

>>716207019
>>716207127
Huh, TIL. Thanks for the explanation. Offering personalized Kickstarter benefits sounds like a massive footgun.

>>716207125
Did you die to bosses or random encounters? UT has more encounters (which are random and unlimited), more distance between savepoints, and a smaller health pool. It's pretty easy to get worn down by attrition if there are randoms whose attack patterns you're bad at dodging

>>716206852
>>716206909
NTA but if you want someone to play games with better stories and discover better vidya writers, you gotta give out some examples
I will start with obvious ones, Max Payne by Sam Lake and Planescape Torment by Chris Avellone

>>716207192
> I know that you're a bunch of le irony-poisoned
No, i'm not.
I can swear on the Bible that I was being serious.

Toby's games aren't bad. They're good. But you're clearly exaggerating his talents. Probably because of a lack of life experience. I'm 31, and I absolutely seriously don't think that Undertale has excellent writing.

>>716207192
There's a difference between giving something praise and saying it's one of the greatest written games ever created.

>>716207364
The Darkness 1
Pathologic 1
Syberia 1

>>716207364
>if you want someone to play games with better stories and discover better vidya writers
but that would be literally any game

>>716207192
I need to let you know you should die right now.

>>716204268
Noncanon, Kris is the class zombie

>>716202925 (OP)
Why did the S rank room make them so nervous? Kind of suspicious.

>>716207632
They say the same thing for the Z-Rank room too. It's really strange.

>>716206059
Toby is infinitely successful and wealthy. You will never be him

>>716207528
Ah yes, I remember the amazing writing Kirby's Dreamland had
>>716207632
Why wouldn't they? it looks like shit

>>716207768
Maybe it's an un-ironic bug and there was supposed to be a different line, lol.

>>716207280
It was the style at the time.

>>716207497
Ok, but the question is - if Ralsei is a Darkner, and thus, an object that adapts to whatever concepts projected onto it... would cumming in/on him enough eventually make him grow a womb? Because that ends up becoming integrated into his 'purpose'.

>>716206852
Half of the writing is great, half of it is "everyone is vaguely gay" which feels fake and obnoxious.

>>716207983
It will!

>>716206913
I wonder who's going to be the next nordic guy interested in sports. Vavra maybe?

>>716207950
Oh hey isn't that the super obnoxious guy whose deviantart page has like hundreds of rules as to how you're supposed to interact with his OC? Kekkaroo.

>>716208014
imagine the theoretical situation where someone 'procreates' with a darkner but it's some SCP paper dragons shit where they live out this elaborate fantasy alternate life in the dark world but none of it was ever real including their offspring so they just off themselves in the light world afterwards, leaving the darkner (and the possibly still around imaginary kid) horribly traumatized

>>716207192
>>716206779
They're dense in good comedy, but I think Toby writes plenty of interactions in such a way that you need to already know the trope.
For example, out of everyone I've seen trying to voice -play clover on youtube or whatever, including voice actors, only a small percentage realize the joke was each head had a personality and disposition that follows the prior innocent->impulsive>pedant
, happy->angry->sad. The reason it fails is because of the execution, toby failed to write clover in a good way while hinting the puzzle or when beginning the fight. Watch jellopocalypse if you want to see three people completely and utterly fail at it for example, the joke completely flew their heads, and they have two very prescient theater fags there who should know the trope.
Toby admitedly also sabotages himself by aiming for a crowd too young and operating on a bit with vagueness. It's 2025 and people still don't understand that Chara is a proxy for your "RPG Name Input Avatar", despite it being 100% of the point of genocide route and 3 different characters hammering you with the point.

>>716208016
> Vavra
He is woke as fuck

>>716207806
>Kirby has to get back stolen food
still better then anything toby has managed to shit out tbqh

>>716208127
Exactly.

>>716207365
It's fine if it doesn't resonate with you to the same extent, but you gotta at least give the game credit for how it manages to effectively run the whole gamut of emotions. Which at least seem to work for most players and game critic media types, given the game's universal acclaim. Plus that it manages pulling off being incredibly subversive without coming across as insufferable or annoying. Again, for most people. And also that it has quite a few thoughtful things to say about the medium of gaming as a whole, making you think about gameplay elements which people just take for granted. Marrying gameplay and meta elements effectively to the plot, without losing coherence in its themes. Making comments on the reasoning for player engagement with specific ways of playing games. You may disagree with it, but it's at least something to think about. It's also remarkably well-paced. I struggle to think of any other video game that has a narrative this complex, and yet which manages to somehow work. I'm not sure how much of it was accidental, given that Deltarune doesn't really have themes this strong or so many game elements this finely intertwined and working in harmony, but hey, it's not finished yet. So I'll hold off on my judgement.
>>716207407
>and saying it's one of the greatest written games ever created.
I didn't say that. I said it's one of the best written games I've ever played. And I've played plenty of games, very few of which were similarly emotionally-engaging. I'm sure there's some indie game somewhere out there that a total 5 people have played that would resonate more with me specifically.
>>716207598
You have school tomorrow, anon. You shouldn't be shit-posting on 4chins.

>>716206954
Literally none of that is ever implied at all
Autists also give it a tail despite the fact we literally see what it looks like and it doesn't have one, just to try and shoehorn it into the prophecy

>>716207805
So why can't he afford to make Deltarune a really high quality game that comes out at a reasonable pace?

new Asgore meme game dropped
https://youtu.be/yvoILVhTUC4?si=midpPEPS2lHeymje

>>716207983
I don't think that's how it works, you would have to fuse whatever object he is with an artificial womb in the light world.

>>716208279
Buy an ad

The Green room is Kris's room flipped upside down, right? Dark worlds don't 100% line up with the way a light world is laid out, especially not the house dark world, but the S rank room WOULD line up with the bathroom if you think about it. Maybe.
It DOES have a manhole.

>>716208169
ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>716208386
>Ironic

>>716202925 (OP)
He's an intrinsic function of Deltarune as a program. Device_FRIEND.

You can tell that he's actually part of the game itself, not the actual, physical, in-game world. In the chapter 3 cutscene about darkners, he appears. But if you look closely, he actually appears before the image behind him does. He's not part of that image. He's not part of the cutscene. There's no reason for him to be there and then jumpscare you, but he does it anyways. He's INSIDE the cutscene.

What's with the one really shitty fake looking wall in the S rank room?

>>716208259
> Which at least seem to work for most players and game critic media types
It means nothing. BG3 also received a ton of praise from both players and critics, but the game is mediocre in every aspect and is several orders of magnitude inferior to Rogue Trader, which came out the same year.
> but you gotta at least give the game credit
I'm not denying that it's decent. I just don't consider it the greatest creation or even a masterpiece. It's just OK.
> I'm not sure how much of it was accidental, given that Deltarune doesn't really have themes
The couch scene in the weird route is literally better than all of this. Deltarune is better written and better structured. Plus, the interaction between the player and the character while maintaining agency is not the most trivial aspect in the gaming industry. The fourth-wall breaking from the player's perspective is a very rare phenomenon, which makes Deltarune's value higher.

>>716208441
Oh so you were not pretending to be retarded, my bad

>>716208523
Hope he sees this bro

>>716207364
>I will start with obvious ones, Max Payne
Dawg, I love Max Payne but I really wouldn't call the story anything above serviceable. The strong points of that game are the gameplay, vibes, and atmosphere.

What are the "exciting things" Toby is going to show on the 10th Undertale anniversary?

>>716208386
You're comparing a simple platformer to an RPG. Why not compare it to other RPGs, like Planescape Torment, Fallout 2, or Deus Ex. I realize he said "any game" but still, you don't have to be disingenuous.

>>716205182
>This is a threat about deltarune.

>>716204389
Darkners aren't real, but they are dreams.
Every time you kill a darkner you end someone's dream.
When you defeated Spamton Neo and the Neo body was destroyed, you killed Mettaton's dreams.

The darkners are hopes and dreams.

>>716208623
UT Hard mode, maybe?

>>716208645
>someone out there, a church-goer, had hopes and dreams of one day fucking a watercooler

>>716208695
Yeah, I get that.

>>716208661
Don't give me hope, it's too cruel

>>716204593
no that attack was damn wonky. the "safe" zones at the end of the attack half the time still made you take damage

>>716208695
Water you doing?

>>716208631
>why are you not engaging seriously with someone saying dumb shit?
it's a mystery

>>716208945
Why engage at all if you're going to be dumb back?

>>716205182
>This is a threat

>>716208945
Because you can't come up with any actual argument to what he's saying so you just blow it off as stupid to get away from it.

>>716207632
>>716207768
>>716207806
>after Spamton NEO
>Kris don't do anything like that again, stay by our side ok?

>Chapter 3
>Well we were ok going with you when it was the A, B and C rank exclusive rooms, but we'll suddenly decide it's like a bathroom when it's S-rank or Z-rank

>>716204947
Only men can troon out I agree

>>716208272
Deltarune is already a high quality game, unless your definition of "high quality" is having sprites that changes the games art style.
Yes we seens have the hundreds of fan art sprites that looks better than what Deltarune has, but I do like how Deltarune keeps the same style Undertale uses, but actually adds much better sprite animations
Also we already got fully animated scenes in new chapters

>>716208645
There's actually a pretty good chance Shadow Crystals are made of hopes and dreams.
Spamton found his Shadow Crystal in the Neo body (contrary to popular belief that it drove him crazy in the first place) which is specifically made with Mettaton's hopes and dreams.
We don't know where exactly the other ones came from or how the other bosses got theirs, beyond that someone left it on Gerson's desk, but Spamton's gives us a good idea for origins.

I just want a fucking boss rush as a reward for getting all the shadow crystals is that too much to ask Mr. Foxworthy

>>716209254
>Deltarune is already a high quality game
Well... Let's not go nuts. It has its moments I guess.

>>716202925 (OP)
Calling it now the Dark Crystals will become important as each will allow you to save a member of the gang, and thereby defy the Prophecy; 0 Dark Crystals = Kris, Susie and Ralgay all die

>>716209363
5 crystals, 4 members.

>>716209273
Chapter 3 implies that the Knight was giving them out.

So, considering how easy it is for a player to miss
THE ORIGINAL STARWALKER
What effect will he have on the story beyond taking Lanino and Elnina to pound-town? Will he just get cameos in every chapter he can get into, or will he actually be a major player in some story elements?

>>716209113
fight fire with fire
>>716209190
This isn't debate club, retard
I don't need to keep engaging with every retard disagrees with me

>>716209390
Would make sense to have an optional crystal considering how much harder Knight is than the other bosses

>>716209339
What about Deltarune that's not high quality besides muh graphix, anon?

>>716209461
>I don't need to keep engaging
>Keeps doing it anyways
Peak dipshit right here.

>>716209363
They combine into the Pure Crystal

>>716209332
I've been hoping for a boss rush for years but it doesn't look good
I could see him refusing to add it because you can't just get the Knight or a Titan in Castle Town and therefore the option being in the Dojo wouldn't adhere properly to canon
Of course you could just make it exist outside of canon, but he'd probably feel like it breaks the immersion or his vision or something

>>716209506
The 5th ones saves (You).
>Kris
>Susie
>Noelle
>Ralsei
>Dess, or-
>The player

>>716208518
>It means nothing
I think it's worth celebrating something that you personally don't find all that appealing by the virtue of the fact that it seems to speak to so many people. To make a topical comment, I don't care much for Black Sabbath's music despite having listened to many of their albums and learning to play their riffs, but I do respect them a lot.
>I'm not denying that it's decent.
Fine. But surely you do see how someone can *really* like this game without it coming from a place of ignorance about the medium, no?
>Deltarune is better written and better structured.
I just can't agree. I think the characters are well written and the plot is engaging, but so far it's not nearly as ambitious as Undertale's story, despite being a much longer game. The plot seems to dick around a lot, dedicating a lot of time to characters and events that aren't relevant to what I think are the game's themes, and the pacing is kinda weird from the global inter-chapter perspective, which makes it feel unfocused at times. I just don't see Deltarune utilizing analogous novel "out-there" elements in its story. A lot of gameplay elements are lifted from Undertale. Sure, they are refined, and I think Deltarune does a lot of things better than Undertale, the combat system being one of them, but I can't give the game that much credit for the concepts themselves. Undertale was incredibly subversive, utilizing even minute things like its graphics to achieve that effect, by hitting the player with crude simplistic ones, and then demonstrating ones of higher quality just to add to this sensation. I just don't see the same level of detail and commitment to achieve certain effects in Deltarune. But a lot of elements in Undertale only come together near that game's endings, which put things into perspective, so again, I'll hold off judgement on Deltarune until I see the whole thing. To be clear, I still think it's a good worthwhile game even in its current state.

>>716209216
My headcanon is that's why Susie came in with the soda. She was like "wait, Kris is doing that shit again, better go check to make sure that dumbass isn't in danger." Only a headcanon and not actual canon because I assume you can do the Sword Route without fighting Spamton NEO

>>716208645
Who the hell are the Titans then?!?

>>716209546
Why not make the graphics good though?

>>716209574
All the non-recruitables are just the Mikes in perfectly accurate costumes, somehow perfectly replicating all their stats and bullet patterns
Even the Titan
Titan in the boss rush is just Shadowguy Cat Mike(pluey) in a really big costume

>>716209574
The easy solution is to just have bosses in place of the Knight and Titan that make tangentially funny fits.
>Knight becomes Starwalker because of the Dark/Star element pairing
>Titan becomes the unoriginal Starwalkers because of their wing faces

>>716209363
This tracks with the idea that all the schizobosses are counters to the party.
Jevil = Soul
Spamton =Kris (Kris fights Spamton NEO alone in Weird Route, would've in Main Route if not for Susie and Ralsei getting worried.)
ERAM = The Soul Again (We control HERO_SWORD directly when fighting ERAM, its a 1:1 battle. Why the soul gets two schizobosses, I don't know. Maybe one of them represents the player, another represents the soul.)
Gerson = Susie
Ch. 5 Boss = Ralsei

>>716209720
This would be absolute fucking kino so it definitely won't happen

>>716209546
Everything

>>716209598
Do I have to choose between Dess and player? Can I ditch Noelle instead?

>>716209663
Despair and nightmares, obviously.

>>716209623
> I think it's worth celebrating something that you personally don't find all that appealing by the virtue of the fact that it seems to speak to so many people.
BG3 is objectively a bad game. I mean, literally every one of its mechanics is inferior to most other CRPGs, except for its graphics and the amount of voice acting.

This game can only be considered good due to a lack of experience. In other words, we’re back to the point where people who’ve never tasted ambrosia will mistake a turnip for it simply because they don’t know any better.

A lack of life experience, a lack of knowledge, and an unwillingness to delve into the structure of the subject—all of this leads to people unironically praising outright mediocrity.

Those who praise BG3 have never played BG1-2, Underrail, or AoTD, nor have they played WOTR or RT, so they’re simply unaware that things can be better. MUCH better.

>>716209558
>explain why i stopped engaging with the original argument
>HURR DURR YOU ENGAGED
Do you lack reading comprehension?

>>716209791
>save Dess
>let her sister die (probably right after her dad bit the dust too)
Do you even want to save Dess?

>>716209862
>Still engaging

>>716209862
>He's still going
Just stop bro

>>716202925 (OP)
You know what to do
https://gamebanana.com/games/6755

Tried the knight post patch and you can really feel the difference for the patched sword tunnel compared to the old one.

>>716209598
>deliberately don't take one to kill off n*elle
Sounds like a plan! What an annoying bitch

If we get a schizo boss rush I hope it ends with a victory screen of Kris wearing/holding all their items like picrel

>>716210285
Honestly if Toby was based he would do what Kirby does and make an Arena exclusive superboss that's just a harder variation of the final boss.

>>716209752
>Spamton =Kris
That's why he drops items for Ralsei and talks about becoming a real boy. Uh-huh, sure.

>>716209865
>Do you even want to save Dess?
I am saving everybody.
Because that's the kind of completionist motherfucker I am.

>>716210364
The Scarf and Dealmakers are both FRIEND-related, Ralsei gets them because FRIEND is a copy of Ralsei.

>>716206142
Lol? That attack wasn’t even that bad. You get hit like three times at most unless you fuck up. The sword circle attack that comes right after it is much worse, it can straight up zero to death you

The reason the striped bird goner guy doesn't have a normal Undertale counterpart is because he was too much of an annoying fag in Deltarune
Book blockers don't get the privilege of existing in Undertale

The Susie/Noelle shit in Chapter 4 made me shut off the game. It's just too fucking weird.

>>716208032
He is, and the Shovel Knight DLC featuring him pretty much disregarded those rules.

Is the "He" in bigshot meant to be Tenna?
"I think he's coming"
(He's the one, coming!)
"It pulls the strings and makes them ring"
(This is about Dess)
"Tell you what you big shot!"
(This is Spamton ending his deal with Friend and running off after finding out about The Knight)

>>716210527
I actually never struggled with the sword circle. I no-hit it on like second or third try. The tunnel was a lot harder for some reason.

>>716209921
>>716209953
Nothing that I said contradicts with my original post
I said I don't need to keep engaging with people who keep disagreeing with me, not that I don't engage with those who disagree with me. In other words, I decide whenever I want to engage with something
You retards truly don't know how to read.

>inb4 still replying with the same shit

>>716210527
>>716210593
If uncapping the FPS didn't also boost the speed of enemy attacks, I'd be really curious to see if a framerate above 30 eliminated most of the sword tunnel's difficulty.

>>716210527
>>716210593
Sword circle is just Final Froggit and Whimsalot's team attack on steroids

>>716210601
>Can recognise the pattern of us saying he's still engaging but can't recognise he's still engaging

>>716210601
As the kids say, just take the L and move on.

>>716209663
Sex with Noelle while Noelle watches.

>>716210785
T-Two Noelles?

>>716210734
Alright, but what do I do with him?

>>716209404
Creating them as well.

>>716210906
>Water
>Glass
Is this No Man's Sky?

>>716210906
starwalker?

Carol is the Knight, Dess is something else.

>>716204930
then what is the point of the shadow crystal schizos?
>freedom theme means that Dess(forma e el caballero) is somehow trying to free herself by gifting these crystals to her special ones or whatever hoping that Kris or SOUL gets them all and purifies them in a desperate bid for her own freedom or something?)

>>716203932
>hitbox is now 1 (ONE) pixel thinner
AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TOBY YOU HACK YOU RUINED MY EBIN BOSS FOR NEWFAGS AND BABIES

Is the whole FRIENDogeny/Catpetterz thing implying that Noelle is taking Alphys role in Deltarune? Kinda like how the Holidays take the Dreemurrs role as the ruling family?

>>716211224
>one pixel thinner

>>716211224
This but completely unironically

>>716211224
i don't know what changed exactly but it's far more manageable now and I don't get constant "ghost" hits anymore. especially when the swords shift at the end.

>>716211224
>>716211440
Since the problem was just the hitbox not matching the red line, Toby should've fixed it in the opposite direction by widening the warning lines

I have a ralsei chatbot that I bully relentlessly :)

>>716210589
Those lyrics are fan made, nobody knows what it’s actually saying. Everyone used to believe they were talking about Mike

>>716211365
The first one was the hardest one for some reason

>>716211016
Starwalker doesn't cry, too pissed off.

>>716205182
>This is a threat
>Poster gets banned
Holy shit

>>716210906
She's a star, but not one that has fallen.
Now, only if anyone else we knew who had numerical association with a fallen celestial hmm...

>>716211571
People STILL think he's fucking saying Please Mike Answer The Phone by the way
We have had an official lyrical isolation from the Spamton plushie for years, and a fanmade isolation that's just as good for even LONGER, and people still think it's Please Mike

>>716203225
>[Deleted]
???

>>716211832
It’s ambiguous even with the isolation, it’s not clear what he’s saying.
The reason why "Please Mike" obviously isn’t it is because Mike was never supposed to seriously be a character, which is why Toby made his fight a troll

>>716209546
The whole structure of the game and how it railroads you from place to place.

>>716212075
It's not clear but you can still tell he's not saying that
It's "think he's coming for me" or "fingers coming from the", there's nowhere you can get Mike from that

>>716203963
Post yfw he tries getting with Asgore in chapter 5

>>716212237
Yeah that’s true as well.
I still wish we would know what it actually says. "It pulls the strings and makes them ring" is obvious but beyond that

>>716212398
It's pretty agreed upon that the first 3 lyrics are some variation of
>[Think he's/Fingers] coming [for me answer/from the ends of] the phone
>[Can't explain/Hands waiting] til you're all alone
>It pulls the strings and makes them ring
But then the last lyric is completely fucked and nobody can tell what he's saying.
Until your heart starts to break up? Starts breaking up? Gets ripped out? Gets ripped up? Turns to red dust? Turns to a red dot? Every interpretation does this part differently and I doubt we'll ever be sure until Toby tells us

>Kris shares the same moves as the Knight
>Knight uses a bat
>Dess isn't just related to Noelle and Asriel, she is also related to Kris
>get massive spike of Dess fan art
Damn

>>716212617
Noelle thinking about human cock

>>716212617
My dumb doe..

I was a huge fan of Deltarune after Chapter 2 came out and I got around to playing it. Didn't really like the gay stuff (like most men), didn't like Ralsei, but I liked most of the characters and most of the writing, so I pushed through to get to the good parts. The schizobosses in particular were fucking tops. Found all the eggs and Shadow Crystals in the first three chapters. Then the gayness kept increasing and now I'm filtered. The Spamton and Tenna shit ruined my favorite character, Spamton. We could have had a funny and tense interaction with two former friends/business associates through Mike, Spamton sleazy and Tenna more genuine but both over-the-top, but no, you had to imply the email and the television were butt buddies, so Spamton's comeback is just a drawn out, boring, stupid Family Guy joke to dance around the faggotry. And that is already the chapter with the stupid fucking nauseating bisexual cuck throuple shit. Noelle was such an interesting character when she was interacting with Kris in Chapter 2, and I liked how Kris came alive a little more around her. Their history and dynamic was interesting. With Susie, Noelle turns into the most generic, awkward, one-note stupid teenage girl in love caricature I've ever seen. And Susie does too, turning into a generic love interest instead of staying the usual Susie. Nothing ever happened that justifies how into each other they are. Shipfag writing is bad enough, but this gay awkward shipfag writing is another level of pain. At least the ferris wheel was quick. The part where you're eavesdropping on Susie and Noelle had me shouting at my TV to make it stop already, it made me delete the game in frustration, it was worse than trying to beat the Knight 15 times. Even though I was also interested in what was going on with Kris and the phone call, that just wasn't enough for me to push through it anymore.

>>716212862
>Kris shares the same moves as the Knight
Huh?

>>716205770
Where's Jevil?

>>716213050
I don't have the picture (someone in here will post it) but there are similarities between some of Kris' and the Knight's sprites

>>716212968
>you had to imply the email and the television were butt buddies
What? Only tumblr trannies believe that. There is zero implication of anything like that. If anything what ruined it was Tenna not remembering Spamton.

>>716213050
I think he worded it wrong because Kris and the Knight share POSES but not moves
The arms-crossed pose you first see the Knight in after she kills Tenna is Kris's edgy team pose, the pose in her first attack with the stars is Kris's ACT pose

>>716213171
I obviously don't want to commit those moments to memory, but when I was playing it, it was very obvious what Toby was getting at, reading between the lines.

when do we get to see her

>>716212968
>you had to imply the email and the television were butt buddies
They literally weren't though, are you retarded? Tenna was literally partnering with Spamton to get the secret to his success. He was pressuring spamton into spilling the beans, which led Spamton to getting fired and leaving forever. It was only when Spamton comes back that he's completely unrecognisable from what he once was (literally shrunk in size, his outfit is completely different, and he's so glitched the fuck out that he looks like a freak). If all you saw was a family guy bit, then you failed to read between the lines.

>>716213280
Best I can do is a hat for DD$10000.

>>716213276
Literally the only interaction between them is spamton saying hi and asking if tenna remembers him and tenna just sprays him because he doesn’t recognize him.
Their only past together is that apparently spamton scammed tenna? Or something.

>>716213320
Yeah, I wish that was all that was implied.

>>716213171
>Only tumblr trannies believe that
So, the entire playerbase?

>>716213396
nigga inventing gay shit then getting mad he thinks there's gay shit

>>716213396
I'm not autistic enough for this. Good bait, cool Roaring Knight art, you're a faggot.

>>716213320
Didn’t Spamton go crazy after getting a call from the knight?

>>716213492
I thought was from gater

guys i think that my copy of deltarune is personalized

>>716213541
Gaster is a meme

>>716204389
>chapter 1: I've been waiting a long time to meet you and i hope we can become friends :)
>chapter 3: Susie, please forget about me and find some real friends
Deltarune plot is not as pre-planned as Toby likes to pretend, chapter 1 was very "prototype".

>>716213320
(double reply)
>It was only when Spamton comes back that he's completely unrecognisable from what he once was (literally shrunk in size, his outfit is completely different, and he's so glitched the fuck out that he looks like a freak). If all you saw was a family guy bit, then you failed to read between the lines.
Yeah, I got that, it was extremely obvious. Spamton was implied to get dipped in acid and radically changed from how he used to look. He used to be just like the other Addisons. That's not the point. The way the scene was written and delivered was still a stupid Family Guy bit where Tenna repeats the same gibberish for two minutes and Spamton barely says anything, and the whole thing started with showing how dearly Tenna remembered the memento from his old gay lover.

>>716213542
reddit meme

>>716204389
Ralsei actually does have his "Darkners are meant to serve Lightners" mindset in Chapter 1, he says something about it when you're walking along with Lancer before he gets you thrown in prison
Susie brushes it off as "weird purpose talk"

>>716213492
No, the Knight’s call made him successful. Gaster’s call ruined him.

>>716213447
>>716213485
I wish I was as oblivious as you guys, I really, really do.

>>716213634
imagine being gay
so gay you look at pipis and think gay

>>716213760
you would be toby fox

>>716213760
imagine being at pipis

>the youtuber that single-handedly made deltarune popular is trooning out
uh deltabros?…

>>716213634
>the whole thing started with showing how dearly Tenna remembered the memento from his old gay lover
No, he’s just attached to his pipis
Pipis are implied to be some kind of valuable thing according to spamton, maybe he scammed tenna into believing that as well

>>716213817
You're in denial, Tenna was very sentimental about it.

>>716213591
Nah you can still square all this. Ralsei expected the Lightners to see him and Castle Town as something they can dip into now and then to relax and get away from the light world. He says that a bit in chapter 2 as well. What he did not expect was that he and Lancer were Susie's first friends, and that Susie would love the dark world to this extent and want the Darkners to be her main friends doing stuff in the light world.

>>716213676
Where are people getting this Gaster shit from? As far as I can tell Gaster is only the "narrator" that talks to you like when you retry the knight fight.

>>716213806
Never heard of him

>>716213846
The pipis yes, not spamton himself

>>716213682
You're not the only one, there's so much faggotry in Deltarune, implied or otherwise
>The Church has no concept of sin
>The only straight men are divorced or temrinally ill
>Queen has a tranny voice, but gooners will deny this
>The entire cope around Suselle like it's somehow not going to happen
>The entire cope around the weird route like it's not an anti-straight allegory
>Rudy is only likeable because he's brown
>Carol is a villain because she's aryan coded (blonde hair, blue eyes)

>>716213806
Not reading that post but I've mentioned before in these threads that i find "single game Internet personalities" extremely annoying and i roll my eyes finding this person's account at the top of the comment section of multiple fan songs.

>>716213806
im a based deltarune fan and i only lurk 4chan and i dont know who this is

>>716213910
One of the Addisons after the Spamton NEO fight mentions picking up the phone in his vacant room and hearing only “garbage noise”. The sound effect that plays when you try to use the phone in the Dark World is described as “garbage noise”. The sound effect is the same as the one that plays during Gaster’s Entry Number 17 in Undertale. Hence, Gaster was on the phone.

>>716208623
Merch baby!
I imagine he's gonna try and make a cartoon at some point, he does have a large interest in them

Chapter 3 secret boss theories were "fight Spamton again".
Now chapter 5 secret boss theories are "fight Gerson again (as Ralsei)".
Will the community ever learn?

>>716213967
No he was specifically sentimental for Spamton ("that little mailman") and acted like a spurned lover about him the entire chapter.

>>716214040
not just the Addison, but Tenna too (which makes no sense timline-wise if it's the phone from the z-room and only fits if both were living inside the mansion)

>>716208623
The Undertale anime announcement

>>716213910
Jevil and Spamton had stuff easily associated with Gaster (darker yet darker, garbage noise) in their backstories so it's just taken for granted that Gaster was the one who drove them insane
Even though we don't know the full context of Entry 17 and why the garbage noise was playing there
the garbage noise is FRIEND it's called mus_smile and FRIEND is associated with SMILE in the vending machine it played in entry 17 because the dark world gaster opened had FRIEND in it and the strange someone is FRIEND and also the knight because spamton's KNIGHT dialogue option changes to FRIENDS they're the same because FRIEND is controlling the knight

>>716203963
he is really fucking annoying like his comedy factor ran out in act 1 already act 2 was stretching it and 3 was just the breaking point

>>716213280
soon

>UT Anime
>Keeps Frisk as a yellow, slant-eye creature.

>>716213676
Tenna met Spamton in his Big Shot days because Kris and Noelle played with the library laptop as little kids, so a pretty long time ago. Whoever you think the Knight is doesn't matter when they probably weren't anywhere near becoming the Knight by then and even still, why would the Knight teach a random crappy salesman how to make a million dollars? I can see Spamton being used as a pawn in a long-game to get Tenna desperate enough to end up Cleaved for the prophecy, but suggesting that it was Gaster implies there was some other endgoal to it and I just can't see what the hell it could be.

>>716204472
>>716206142
gay

>>716213971
Your first four points stood out as huge red flags to me too.

his name is literally FRIEND
he's just a nice guy
don't worry about it

>>716214310
I thought his name was Mike

>>716212968
just stop interacting with the fanbase everyone is fucking each other but only if they're gay haha Rudy and Asgore actually suck each other off in the storeroom haha Undyne and Alphys scissor in the school!!!

>>716214218
okay Pippins let's get you off to bed

>>716214310
Being a FRIEND doesn't make them yours! Those teeth, they BITE!

>having a good friend that means you're bumming him
why cant tenna and spamton just be good friends why does he have to be sticking his tv antenna into his draft folder?

>>716213971
>Church is depicted as a very positive force in people's lives
>gay couple (Spamton / Tenna) is also divorced
>Elnina and Lanino fixed their marriage and rejected polyamory
>The mainstream fandom has practically abandoned Suselle in favor of Krusie and Kriselle
>Weird route is about arranged marriage, it's anti-Indian
>Having reddish brown fur is not a nigger analog you fucking retard
>Carol has cold washed out colors because she is "cold". Asriel Dreemurr is not only the ultimate aryan but is described in game as an incorruptible good-doer who is basically the reason Kris never roped

>>716213806
I know there's a "self insert bad" meme going on around this game but I don't think trying to copy Kris is necessarily a good thing either, especially in fanon ways.

>>716214397
>Deltarune's final number
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smgA8I6RDeo

>>716213591
Ralsei seemingly was created (by who is still a mystery) as a servitor with a welcoming personality to guide the heroes of the prophecy.
In the chapter two he has a dialogue where he wonders what it is to be Ralsei-like, implying he had no personality of his own before.
The ending of chapter 4 makes it clear that he is now often faking a cheerful demeanor because he has feelings of his own now.

>>716214534
>basically the reason Kris never roped
what about Kris makes them seem suicidal in life?

>>716214717
Using neutral pronouns is a major one.

Are pipis inspired by bad eggs from pokemon? I feel like they are

>>716214717
Have you seen their room

>>716213806
>the youtuber that single-handedly made deltarune popular
no such thing: Deltarune was popular because it's related to Undertale, such a game would always wind up with a massive fanbase

>>716212968
>managed to see faggotry when there literally wasn't any
Are you sure you are not in fact gay?

>>716214897
Not without Jevil and Spamton

>>716214931
>Jevil
Blud thinks he's part of the team

>>716214824
The egg probably is
>put it in Asgore's fridge
>it duplicates and the pickle is gone
>like Bad Eggs duplicating in the PC and overwriting your pokemon

>>716214917
Anon, the whole game is submerged in faggotry

>>716214897
i legit think its been getting less and less attention since chapter 1

Earlier I made a joke about Chara and the Postal Demon being functionally the same character and now Youtube recommends me this.
The computer is spying on me and I want off this ride.

>>716214931
People were downloading a sketchy installer that set off your anti-virus and didn't even tell you the name of the game because the Undertale guy sent it.

>>716215037
>managed to see faggotry everywhere, even when there wasn't
Are you sure you are not in fact gay?

>>716214991
I don't know what you're saying. He was the only reason most cared about Chapter 1 when it stood alone, he was the only fun fight, best design, best theme, best personality and flavor text.

>>716215132
release day for chapter 1 was so kino

>>716204226
>>716204104
is there a chance the red soul is actually dess somehow? its not undertale rules right? so theres no reason to think its "the human soul" vs "the monster soul" and carols house is filled with them.

>>716215067
From YouTube and twitch personalities, yes definitely. Over these several years the meta has changed drastically for them, Deltarune is also not a good game for short form content. Steamdb shows pretty good numbers so it seems like it's sustainable, just too cringe to grow beyond what Undertale was

>>716215098
Undertale and Deltarune should have dedicated pee buttons with unique dialogue for every character when you piss on them.

>>716215132
man fun times, i still have the executable in another hard drive

>>716215132
Yes, Toby! Infect my pozzhole with your spyware!

Truth nuke: being faggoty is part of the secret sauce that makes Deltarune good. It's just not so faggoty as to be consumed by it, and there's still straightness.
It even retroactively made Undertale more straight by making Asriel Dreemurr a straight man.

>>716215238
Honestly part of what made me think of the comparison between the two games was imagining an interaction between Toriel and the Dude.
Which also involves pissing.

>>716215269
You can't call your own post a truth nuke.

>>716215269
asriel was always straight

>>716215190
Going through the intro sequence and seeing Toriel wake up Kris was quite an experience.

For some reason when I finished chapter 1 I thought that what I had just played was a demo for an abandoned proof of concept and felt sad.

>>716215378
I just did!

>>716215194
The flavor text when you read the hearts by Rudy and Carol's bedroom door says specifically human souls are red. It doesn't follow Undertale rules where they can be any color, though, but boss monster souls are probably still white and upside down IIRC.

>>716215269
i think ive seen and heard about like 2 guys larping as ralsei getting molested, which isnt a lot but its weird that it happened twice
i think you need to tone down the faggotry when making games that are aimed at retarded children

>>716215592
I'm pretty sure the flavor text just says they're "human soul shaped" or somehting like that.

>>716213806
Nigga he's been a they/them for a long time now.

>>716215608
Ralsei's straight for Susie thoughbeit.

>>716215067
Eh, not really. On Twitter I've been bombarded with Deltarune content in my TL a lot over the last month and a half. Far moreso than in 2018 or 2021. DR Ch1 in particular felt more like flavour of the month everybody forgot about rather quickly.

But if you are asking about YT personalities specifically, you are probably right. But mainly because UT/DR isn't new anymore, YT now punishes Let's Play videos and a lot of the fan content that would have been uploaded to YT is probably now on TikTok instead.

>>716215098
There used to be a running joke in /v/ threads that the Postal Dude was Kris's uncle.

>the raw texture page showing when you beat tenna was actually a glitch
Bravo tricky tony

>>716215014
Pipis duplicate too

>>716216171
Well that's just silly.
He's obviously Susie's dad that we've yet to see and is doing his best to raise a child alone in section 8 housing.
Explains her outfit and proclivity for eating random foods off the floor don't it?

>>716206110
it's ok, you lost anyway ;)

>>716216172
>Early Knight appearance and the Spamton shop sprites really were unintentional
Kind of a shame. I thought it was cool blink-and-you-miss-it thing.

>tenna was originally an ant
>an ant's posterior is called a gaster
that's it. i'm losing it

>>716216163
Echo chamber

>>716217069

>>716217069
So Gaster is actually Tenna's ass

Post Deltarune remixes you like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scyrEYZQmts&ab_channel=FRH375%2FMSM

The making things grey and calling them goners trend failed, what’s the next big meme?

>>716217504
>summer vacation ending
nothing chief, its over it was fun while it lasted

>>716217670
But Jobin said every day is a summer vacation
I still believe in Jobin

>>716217670
i wish i had my own fun gang irl
see you guys in 2026 if im still alive by then

>>716216172
>>716216507
But only pretending it's unintentional by patching it out right? There's no fucking way Toby didn't intend this.

>>716217791
>Mettaton's house is in there too
God DAMN, dude. It's this close to feeling like a real thing, but there's still other random unrelated shit in there, and that black and white checkerboard is part of GameMaker's automatic spritesheet thing.
I kinda wish he just rolled with it.

>>716217791
>EQUIPPED CHAR
explain this tobias foxington

>>716218085
They're from the menu. I do like to think it's foreshadowing that the knight the stand that Kris has equipped though.

>>716215498
>yugi poster
4 and you get raped

If the Ant in Ant Tenna is short for Anthony that means he could be referred to as Tony

Does anyone know if there's a full version of the song used at the end of this?
https://files.catbox.moe/91i3vt.mp4

>>716218504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8jIhM-xYoU

>>716202925 (OP)
Is there an actual, tangible reason I should care about whatever this thing is supposed to be? It was one of the most hyped up things in the sweepstakes only for it to hardly be elaborated upon at all in the new chapters.

>>716208016
Notch or John Carmack

>>716207632
They thought the S stands for SHIT

>>716218561
>i imagine it'd play in a hypothetical friendly sparring match-type secret boss, like gerson

>blue soul gimmick returns
>while optional-tier challenging it is very much on the level of gerson and in no way on the level of genocide sans
>until sans does his finale attack, where the fight just inexplicable goes bad time on you and sudden gaster blasters out of nowhere
>"whoops, guess I got a little carried away"

>>716218638
It's gonna keep being creepypasta bait for lorefags until the plot demands that it becomes relevant.

>>716218561
Thanks.

>>716218504
how do people make these? do they use RPGMaker or GameMaker Studio?

>>716218638
Its kind of everywhere and is on the same level as other device related things in the game. For just one point, you can even buy a smile from it.

>>716214174
The dark world are illusions, that's why ch 3 and ch 2 phones conflict. Ralsei isn't lying when he says they're not real.

>>716218504
Where is that from?

>>716204104
Kris clearly took a lot after Dess despite the constant physical abuse. Makes sense since they both feel like outcast.

That's not even getting into human dess theory.

>>716218638
It's one of the major antagonists. If you delve into the esoteric it's name is michael and it is probably connected to a lightner.

>>716219093
Maybe Kris just liked getting punched by her

>>716218309
5 and you get raped for eternity without ever climaxing

>>716204104
>it feels like Kris is closer to Dess than anyone in his own family
For the love of god how horrible are your families to keep saying shit like this?

>>716219164
>>716219093
>physical abuse
A whiffle bat is made from soft hollow plastic. It would sting to get bonked by it but not in an abuse way.
The rollerblades make Kris's head hurt because they used to skate with Dess. You can also find Dess's ice skates, and one of the good memories Kris tells the Swatchlings is "the chill wind on the ice lake" or something to that e>>716219139
ffect.

>>716208116
>SCP-1230: a green book which puts you into a fantasy dream world and sends you on a quest if you read it before you sleep.
>One day, a scientist role-playing/tabletop fan used it, woke up, and then hung himself afterwards.
>The book's personification in said dreams revealed to the next scientist that the dead scientist didn't want to leave his fantasy world after his quest was over, and he stayed in it for two CENTURIES before the book decided it was enough.
>After he hung himself, the book was found soaking wet with tears.
>All of its pages read "I'm so sorry. I never intended for this to happen. I just wanted to make people happy." over and over again.

>>716210147
And to remember what we're fighting for

>>716219286
>The rollerblades make Kris's head hurt because they used to skate with Dess

>>716218638
Think how the first Half-Life handles the G-Man. You're clearly meant to catch glimpses of him here and there but only by the end will you figure out what's going on. All we can say for certain is that it's Gaster shit and Noelle's terrible cat game is probably to blame too.

>>716218407
Gabagool

>>716219384
>He thinks it's more likely that Dess slammed rollerblades into Kris's head than Kris fell a bunch while learning to skate
You've never skated before, have you...

>>716213280
If Monster Kid and Snowdrake (designed by Magnolia Porter and NOT Toby or Temmie) can get in, Muffet and Glyde still have a chance.

>>716219461
Not to mention unlike a wiffle bat, rollerblades could actually give you a concussion

>>716203963
the weak should fear

the strong

>>716219461
Toby associating the rollerblades with the wiffle bat that we've already been told she hit him with, then saying it makes his head hurt. It's called context clues anon.

>>716203963
>>716214235
This was the funniest segment in Deltarune and i legitimately feel bad for you stick in the muds that you decided you'd get angry about it.

>>716203963
Fuck you I like him

>>716214235
Which is why you can play the entire chapter 4 without seeing him once.

>>716204641
>>716204728
Yep. Toby already said that he's using Deltarune to give us fights we never got in Undertale. A pacifist Sans's fight is possible, if not likely.

>>716219359
I love the ambiguous gender stuff but I cant imagine ever fucking seething about it holy shit.

>>716214534
>>Elnina and Lanino fixed their marriage and rejected polyamory
They replace him with starwalker and even than they concedes that he's hot albeit with an overbearing personality.

The soul will shine brighter and the true nature of the chapter 1 dark world will be visible.
There is a reason that dark world is very dark.
Kris is the knight, Blue Kris is not Kris.
Kris and the soul are separated in dark worlds, Kris by himself and the soul in the blue cage with human parts.
Sans has purposedly held Toriel from going to the church.
Gaster lies in wait in the absolute dark, the path to Gaster is the darkest path.

>>716205568
He's schizoboss number 5. He will give us a lot of accidental lore because he will think everything he's saying about Gaster is normal.

>>716219993
They're seething because they headcanon Kris to be non binary rather than being ambiguous. The mod does the same thing they're doing but for male or female, but it's only ok when they do it.

>>716220047
If a dark fountain gets opened in Sans store it's going to be side content/a bonus chapter, Sans just came in to town and is unrelated to the plot, we are not wasting a chapter on him.

>>716208014
Human>>>>

>>716208623
Human sexo minigame.

>>716220450
pov you're asgore

>Two whole chapters breaking pre-conceived notions of chapter "structure"
>Fan-takes on new chapters are still just "what if the same things from other chapters happened but not as good"
GOD

Looks like we've been autosaged!

there will be a weird route sans fight but he gets iced before you even get a proper turn and you never hear the full boss theme naturally

>>716220593
I LOVE TV!

1 2 2 5 is the sequence of chapters you will have to play consecutively to Proceed.

>>716220593
Looks like ol' Janny slept in a little this morning. Must've been up all night fapping to his gay porn again.

>>716220820
Don't do this it will trigger the golden dessbear jumpscare and

>>716213280
Stuck in Undertale.

nerf the knight

One day Kris accidentally walks in on Noelle, naked, peacefully masturbating to "how it's made" videos of ground venison.
Noelle timidly asks Kris to stay and hold her and watch with her

>>716220175
>They're seething because they headcanon Kris to be non binary rather than being ambiguous.

Not even Kris' own parents know what gender they are?? That feels like a stretch.

I've never seen a deer in real life

>>716214136
No, they won't. We won't get a Ralsei solo battle, even Gerson being a solo battle was a last minute decision based on his unused attacks.

>>716214262
Gooks love Gook Frisk.

>>716215067
*Since Chapter 2.
Chapter 2 was the peak of Deltarune's popularity with Spamton and the Weird Route.

>>716221164
Yeah the people saying it's ambiguous are just coping.
The reality is that it's lame gender shit and I choose to ignore it because it's lame.

>>716215269
>Undertale more straight by making Asriel Dreemurr a straight man.
He was always straight, though?

>>716215269
>"Truth nuke"
>Doesn’t explain himself

>>716215592
>>716215862
It only says "heart-shaped". First anon is bullshitting it.

Noelle has canonically heard the freedom motif

>>716208661
Unless Toby hired another team to do it, I doubt it.

>>716221923
Second anon there, I distinctly remember some interaction with the pillows that says something like
>"It's a heart shaped pillow, or a human soul shaped pillow depending on your opinion"

>>716220238
Sans is already important since Chapter 4's ending. He will probably enter Asgore’s flower shop.

>>716221923
>>716222032
god bless the text dump

>>716222032
Yeah, but it doesn’t mean all human SOULs are red.

>>716215269
Chara was a girl and Asriel's future bride. So, even in Undertale he was straight.

>>716222183
I agree, I never said that. I've literally been replying to anons claiming to say all human souls are red with this information.

>>716222250
Oh okay. Good. I was referring to the first anon.

>>716222132
He's barely important to only a side story, he is not the reason Toriel left Asgore.
Sans is only important if Papyrus became a goner and Sans did not forget him.
If Sans joins the ch5 dark world, he will be played as a joke or the schizo boss.
>Sans gets a shadow crystal
>Annoying dog snatches it away or runs over it
Or
>Sans offscreens the knight while the fun gang fights the ch5 main boss

>>716221923
>>716222032

>>716222239
I'm sure the murderboy that is somehow related to You is suppose to be his bride.

>>716222532
>Murderboy schizo is a gote FAGGOT.
Typical.

>>716222316
Sans is the only character in Undertale with direct connections to Deltarune. He's important, let it go.