Thread 716242687

It's like Nintendo doesn't care about lore (that's fine and all), but cares just enough to piss you off.


Playing Bananza hardly answered any questions; it just created new ones.

>The Bananza devs in an interview confirmed Mario and Jumpman are the same character (as has been confirmed previously many times before).

>Cranky Kong in Bananza makes reference to the events of the arcade game happening and Mario being there.

>Bananza takes place after the country games, but DKC2 directly shows Mario in the game. The country games straight up say Cranky was the arcade DK.

But for some reason Pauline is 13 and creates her song Jump up superstar post game? So it's a prequel to Odyssey so what the fuck?

The devs care about lore enough to make a connection to Odyssey and the country games with Bananza, so don't just say "Nintendo just doesn't give a shit and just does what they want." Maybe the latter is true, but they obviously care.

lore fags for mario make no sense. It's like caring about the Pac-Man timeline.

You eat bananas for the shape and not the taste

>>716242687 (OP)
>The timeline is fucked
the reality is the timeline have been thrown by the window
exactly like it happened with zelda
it's just a new timeline disconnected from the rest

You don't need a timeline where you have to place every game into a timeline, instead this is just about basic character relationships.

Pauline is the gal who was kidnapped in Donkey Kong in 1981. DK was the one who kidnapped Pauline. Now it's unclear if these events even occured at all, or if it's a future event.

It's unclear why New Donk city is endless references to Donkey Kong characters or who was named after who.

It's unclear if DK is the original arcade DK, or if there's been multiple of them. Rare wanted to go into the direction that DK is a descendent and Cranky is the original, like the Kongs have a DK title to their leader or something? nintendo seems to ignore this but haven't contradicted it.

>>716242768
It's the game's fault for using continuity for nostalgia baiting but being bad at doing so

this is like questioning why is wile e coyote still alive after getting an anvil dropped on his head

Timeline is only fucked if you still subscribe to Cranky literally being the arcade DK. Once you go back to all versions of the characters being the same person the timeline makes way more sense.

easily fixable by establishing lady and pauline as different characters

None of you see why introducing just enough continuity to confuse the shit out of people when you violate the exact continuity you're referencing, confuses the hell out of people?
What if the next Mario game has Mario's first meeting of Luigi, and Luigi is a little kid, while Mario is normal, and they aren't brothers anymore?
>but it doesn't matter. It's a platform game!
Fine, but why do it at all?

Here is my proposed timeline.

>>716243360
>Fine, but why do it at all?
They couldn't come up with a better way to frame the game?

the 8-bit DK fossils says it’s a certain kong on the prime of his youth. the answer is pauline is lady’s grandma, cranky is arcade dk, and jumpman is dead

>>716243561
Jumpman is Giuseppe in the movie.

>>716243547
Make it Pauline's daughter.
There's even a precedent there, because the DK series having Jr versions of characters is a whole thing.

>>716243732
DK Jr. just vanished though. He's not around anymore.

>>716243786
That was also fine when we all just assumed Rare DK was DK Jr, which is now all up in the air as some kind of questionable canon.

>>716242768
this, it literally just doesn't matter. if your autism compels you to have a connecting thread, just go with the "actors putting on a series of plays" thing

>>716242768
Yeah. I never realized that some losers actually cared about the lore for fucking Mario of all things until Bananza came out.

>>716242687 (OP)
The "timeline" should be taken as intentionally confusing, as a joke.

It's a video game series about a plumber saving a princess from a turtle every other Tuesday, and a gorilla who throws barrels at crocodile pirates because they stole his bananas. Try not to think too hard about it.

>>716242687 (OP)
I always wondered why autists didn't try figuring out the Mario timeline as much as the Zelda one which is still nonsense even with Nintendo officially explaining it by the way

>>716244015
don't forget that the plumber, the princess, the turtle and the gorilla all go golfing on Wednesday

>>716243452
Pauline in DK 94, Odyssey, and Bananza are the same person. DK 94 can't have happened before either of those games.

So Mario was in his 20s when he save 'lady' and old dk is cranky and Pauline is 13 so in Oddsey shes like 18 and Mario is in his 40s

>>716243920
if it doesn't matter, why do nintendo keep inserting continuity?

>>716244021
some did, you haven't heard of them because it drove them mad. zelda is a dramatic series, it makes sense that you could with sufficient effort string it together into one piece, but the other big nintendo properties are just not that serious

>>716244064
Also, Super Mario Bros. 3 was merely a play that the characters were putting on, and Game Boy Donkey Kong was also implied to have been a play as well, from the demos.

So take that as you will.

>>716244146
because it serves their purpose in that moment, either as a joke, a way of framing the plot for the current game, or just a bit of red meat to people like you

The Mario timeline makes perfect sense if you accept only the games that have Donkey Kong’s name in the title as canon and assume Pauline and Mario hooked up after Mario vs Donkey Kong 2

>>716242687 (OP)
>and yes I'm a lore fag
Have you considered 'not' being a lorefag?

>>716243234
Even if Lady and Pauline are separate, Mario is still the same person across all games according to Miyamoto. Which poses a pedophilia sized grooming problem.

>>716242687 (OP)
always funny to see how fans care way more about this shit than nintendo does

>>716244142
>So Mario was in his 20s when he save 'lady' and old dk is cranky and Pauline is 13 so in Oddsey shes like 18 and Mario is in his 40s

Nintendo is ignoring Cranky having any relationship to anything. Cranky is there, and in past games he made allusions to some past battles with a plumber, but that's it.

It would not shock me if there's a gag where Cranky is in New Donk City, and he goes "my arch nemesis! That plumber!" and it's some random ass retired plumber in New Donk City. Whole thing played for laughs.

>>716243452
So, where does the Donkey Kong Country, Donkey Kong Lands, and Donkey Kong 64 games fit in?

Of course, Donkey Kong Land 1 takes place after Donkey Kong Country, Land 2 is just a retelling of Country 2, Land 3 takes place after Country 3, and 64 takes place after all of those games. At least those were all made explicit in the manuals and games themselves.

Why was Super Mario Odyssey, the big mainline 3D Mario game, so focused on Mario and Pauline?
It wasn't like Super Mario Odyssey released during the Super Mario Bros. 30th Anniversary, or Donkey Kong Arcade's 35th Anniversary.
And why was Pauline singing love songs about how she loves Mario, in the same game where Mario doesn't marry Peach?
Why does New Donk City look more modern in Donkey Kong Bananza than it does in Super Mario Odyssey?
Why does Bananza Pauline talk about her grandma?
Why does Bananza Pauline jump and make noises like Mario?

>>716242687 (OP)
spinoffs aren't canon

>>716244651
none of these questions will ever be answered

>>716242687 (OP)
Hey DK, you awake?

parallel universe
please understand and enjoy our games

>>716242687 (OP)
>a literal children game on a children toy
>lore
okay

>>716244767
it's the only way they know how to interact with a narrative

having some kind of coherent narrative does make things better, even in a dumb platform series for children. I don't know why there's this immediate kneejerk reaction to the idea that things should simply make sense.
>we have this city called New Donk City, which was seemingly named in reference to the event of the original DK arcade, has streets named after Kongs, and has an annual ceremony where they reenact the events of the game.
Cool
>Oh, also, before the events of the DK arcade happened, it was still called New Donk City, and still had streets named after Kongs
Why though?
>it doesn't matter
If it doesn't matter, why did they do it?

>>716244767
Banaza calls into question Paulien's most defining trait: her kidnapping by DK. We don't know if it even happened yet or if at all.

>>716244713
This one makes the most sense to me

>>716242687 (OP)
I'm guessing you haven't played through Bananza yet. The last few worlds heavily imply that Lady is Pauline's grandmother and makes them seperate characters like >>716243234 says

The only weird thing is the whole Mario and Jumpman connection but if you just assume that Jumpman got reconned to be Mario's grandpa too then the lore all checks out.

The lore never made sense in the first place due to Cranky's existence. How does he go from being big in strong in the arcade game to being an old ass grandpa while Mario and DK are around the same age? You can't have both Cranky be the original DK and Jumpman be the original Mario while also having modern DK. It never made sense and Banaza retcons the OG game to clean up the lore

>>716244713
Alternatively Nintendo just doesn't give a fuck and includes these callbacks to make players basedface without thinking of chronological implications

>>716244737
Nintendo told us to theorize, almost as if they might reveal the answer.

>>716244418
Only the terminally online care about that.

>>716244713
All Nintendo published Mario games are canon anon, it's what makes figuring this timeline stuff out so fun.

Was Donkey Kong named after New Donk City or the other way around?

>>716245456
New Donk City was named after the events that took place in the Donkey Kong Arcade game.

>>716245456
We don't know. I actually want to think that there's some deeper lore, that the city was founded by Donkers or something.

>Kong clan found a city on the east coast of a continent
>humans drive them out
>keep all the names
>Kong clan tries to reclaim it periodically

>>716245251
You're correct, I haven't finished Bananza yet. This makes sense, though. I don't get why Nintendo'd insist so much in Jumpman being Mario. Maybe it's so they don't have to drop the whole "Donkey Kong was Mario's first appearance" shit.

>>716242687 (OP)
Where’s Pauline Jr bro

>>716245251
To add to this, Nintendo seems to want to do a lot more with Donkey Kong as a franchise so cleaning up the lore like this was probably a choice they made for this end

People saying that "oh it's just Mario nintendo never cares about Mario lore" are off base imo. If anything Bananza is super obsessed with lore. The game came up with an in universe canon reason for why K. Rool and the Kremlings have been gone for years. The game is absolutely obsessed with old DKC references and lore.

Miyamoto doesn't give a shit about this stuff, but Koizumi obviously cares a lot. So to just wright it all off completely is off base imo

But like I said, the main reason I think they did all this is because they want to do more with DK and the Kongs in general and Cranky's lore was directly at odds with current Mario's lore so something had to get cleaned up there

What's this dress supposed to be?

>>716245783
>Miyamoto doesn't give a shit about this stuff, but Koizumi obviously cares a lot. So to just wright it all off completely is off base imo

Yeah, Miyamoto considers them like stage play actors and each story is self-contained for the most part. Actors that can be reused endlessly.

But Miyamoto got a "promotion" where he oversees the brand, the theme parks, and the films. Thus Miyamoto doesn't do day to day work on the GAMES anymore, other people do. Those people seem to care more about the lore. Of course, they will honor Miyamoto's wishes and not break lore in ridiulous manners, but they try to fix things up.

They seem to want to combine the DKC and Mario timelines, which to this point felt like separate universes (like F-Zero and Metroid). DK on his islands, Mario in his own adventures.

We have a real chance of K.Rool interacting with Mario.

>>716245454
?

>>716244182
Miyamoto follows Walt Disney's and Tezuka's "characters are actually actors playing a role" system

>>716245885
A legally distinct version of the original inspiration for Donkey Kong

total lorefag death

>>716246051
ALL NINTENDO PUBLISHED MARIO GAMES ARE CANON ANON, HAVE FUN

>>716246081
but why introduce just enough lore to make it confusing?
Presumably you're supposed to feel some kind of satisfaction when you learn the game is a prequel, and has Pauline meeting DK for the same time, except it undermines itself by not making any sense.
Why go half the distance, and then just walk back? It makes no sense.

You guys are forgetting the arcade games haven't been canon in decades, they were retconed by Gameboy DK.
Mario saving Pauline (explicitely them, not Jumpman and Lady) from DK (be it Cranky or current) is still canon and always has been.

>>716246445
GB is just a quasi remake. Different depiction of the same events.

I'd be fine about the coyness of figuring out where DK Bananza and Arcade fit into the timeline if I knew we'd likely get an answer to it later.
However because of Pikmin 4 and TOTK I'm very doubtful we'll ever get an answer.

>>716246105
based

>>716246553
>Pikmin 4
Most unnecessary retcon ever conceived of in that game.

>>716246445
DK 94 is a stageplay where modern Mario and modern Pauline reenact DK Arcade with Classic DK and DK Jr. You can see where Bananza establishing that modern DK was around her as a child and classic DK and Jr being around her as an adult causes issues.

>>716242687 (OP)
>>716242920
guys, mini pauline and adult pauline are not the same person

oh boy here we go

>>716246910
Anon....

>>716246520
>>716246813
I don't buy that, the game's ending was clearly made to connect to the Supar Mario Bros series by implying Mario arrived to the Mushroom Kingdom.

>>716242687 (OP)
pauline > peach

G-K
GROOMER
KONG

>>716247118
Stage play or not, Adult Pauline is around Classic DK which is a continuity problem thanks to Bananza

>>716242687 (OP)
>>The Bananza devs in an interview confirmed Mario and Jumpman are the same character
They can be the same character without being the same person. Both Cranky and current DK are the same character as Donkey Kong. All of the Links are the same character. And even still, if you want to be purely in-universe, we know that Mario has control over time and space, like Bowser. He helps Yoshi and Baby Mario save the day in New Island.

>>716247252
Literally every single thing in that image is explained by the simple fact that she's a tweenager.

Where the fuck are the hiding Fractones in the Tempest Layer

>>716247252
By this same token are mario and wario related?

This cannot be more simple:

Arcade: Cranky Kong and Lady
DKC: Cranky Kong's son, Donkey Kong. "Donkey Kong" itself is a title passed down from Cranky to Donkey.
Bananza: Donkey Kong Jr has grown up and now inherits the title of 'Donkey Kong'. It explains why he was in the spinoff games, why Mario Kart World uses Jr as a stand-in for Donkey Kong, and why DK doesn't chimp out (heh) when he sees K.Rool.

>>716247215
I wonder where the Mario Vs DK series fits into all this.
Is it just one of spin-offs Nintendo considers non-canon like the RPGs? It was already weird that Odyssey had Pauline act like she barely recognized Mario.

>>716247450
Not exactly.
When she grows up, her face will look almost exactly the same as it does now.

>>716247581
Diddy and Dixie reference the events of DKC in the context of the Bananza DK and they + Cranky act like he's the DKC DK.

>>716247581
It can be more simple and it's such an obvious thing that nobody wants to accept.
Arcade DK = Rare DK = Bananza DK. All DKs are the same person, Cranky is no longer Arcade DK.
Every timeline issue and inconsistency is solved by this if you just accept the old monkey character is rambling and making shit up.

>The timeline is fucked

You're clearly forgetting when Bowser accidentally the universe and Rosalina had to remake the entire thing from scratch.

Some of the characters remember the old timeline but some of them don't.

>>716247528
No.
Wario isn't in a relationship with Pauline.
Mario is in a relationship with Pauline.

>>716247612
I like to think it's canon but the events of the game are so unimportant that everyone forgot. Nothing in any of those games have any stakes, even the kidnapping is staged to get Mario to a surprise party.

>>716247692
they simply reference 'DK' which is simply the title for the leader of the bunch, Bananza DK is not Rare DK

>>716247612
K. Rool and DK barely act like they know eachother in Bananza so Pauline barely recognizing Mario in Odyssey is just Nintendo's way of making sure newcomers don't feel like they're missing something.

>>716242687 (OP)
Space and time... Is convoluted...

Here, I answered all your questions the soulsborne way

>Mario universe LORE
LMAO, WHAT? What fucking "lore"?

>>716247794
Is the Fossil menu making shit up too?

>>716246775
It was a good game and the Pikmin Remake side mode was fun so I'll forgive it.

>>716247913
The stuff they keep referencing in the games?

>>716247938
I'm playing it for the first time and I do really like it so far I just don't understand the logic behind that decision.

>>716247827
I'm sorry your selfinsert fantasies were destroyed when Odyssey ended but you can keep your headcanon to yourself

>>716247796
>Cranky is actually from before the reset and is basically Old Man Neemoy Spock from the Star Trek movies.
New headcanon unlocked.

Are you the same motherfuckers that get upset because The Simpsons or Family Guy has little to no continuity between episodes?

>>716248034
Futurama is better.

>>716247938
It's a great game, but there really was no reason to restart the continuity "just because".
I swear Nintendo just likes doing this to piss people off.

>>716247994
I am not self-inserting.
I don't care that Mario and Peach didn't get married.

>>716248034
Except Bananza really likes continuity and referencing past games

>>716248076
All unfunny garbage.

>>716242687 (OP)
Hmm, where does me twerking my skinny white boi ass right in front of your face fit into the DK/Mario timeline? Is me proooting in your eyes a canon event based on either direct or supplemental sources?

>>716247934
All this says is that Cranky looked liked his grandson when he was younger and passed down his barrel throwing skills to DK.

>>716248034
>are you upset that Homer wasn't born in the 60's anymore
Yeah, actually.

>>716247934
No anon you don't understand they decided the game was retconning that before it even came out so they don't want to see anything like that.

>>716247581
Nu-DK is Donkey Kong Jr. This is proved in Mario Kart World. The Rare DK is probably still around and might appear in a DLC

>>716242687 (OP)
I hope Pauline is in the donkey kong movie!

>>716248034
Family Guy actually has better continuity than Mario because Family Guy acknowledges there's no continuity between episodes. There's an answer to that question in-universe. What in-universe explanation does Mario have?

>>716248101
then why are you so obsessed with the idea that Mario needs to be in a relationship with Pauline even though nothing of the sort is ever hinted at

>>716248182
BOUNCIER

>>716248262
I swear to god all the 'Suzanne' shitters just moved on to 'Pauline III' as a backup.

>>716248407
It's literally just one guy

>>716248189
If that's actually the angle they're going for I kneel

>>716248298
All the characters are just in a stage play

>>716248034
But that's the thing, Bananza does have continuity, it's just Pauline being 13 that throws a wrench into everything.

>>716248298
>What in-universe explanation does Mario have?
Doesn't need one.
>Family Guy has an in-universe explanation
What is it? I haven't watched that shit in years.

I think you guys would die if you looked up what Occam's razor was

>>716248568
I think current Mario, current DK and current Pauline are actually all the same age and the reason DK is so much bigger than her in Bananza despite them both being 13 is because DK is a gorilla.

>>716242687 (OP)
Where were you 4 (?) years ago when the Mario Bros movie came out and destroyed the Yoshi's Island lore??

>>716248568
The only thing that can solve that is if Bananza Pauline is a new Pauline.

>>716248402
Sorry, less bouncy, more crazy.

>>716242687 (OP)
OP doesn’t know that the new DK merch refers to DK as the same DK from the arcades. How sad.

>>716242687 (OP)
I think especially with Mario they see them more as actors playing roles in whetver the story may be so even though it bothers me on the Donkey Kong side of things which should have an established basic lore, I can see them not caring about Mario lore at all.

Will be explained in the DLC when they take E Gadd's time machine. The final boss is Peak Performance Young Cranky Kong.

Things only weenies care about

>>716248643
Occam's Razor is that Nintendo doesn't give a shit.

>but cares just enough to piss you off
It's just a funny monkey game with a loli on your back anon... DK wanted to fuck Pauline last time he was on a game with her. It doesn't need to make sense.

>>716242687 (OP)
Repeat to yourself 'it's just a game, I should really just relax.'

>>716242687 (OP)
Im fine with Mario lore being in a uncollapsed particle quantum state. Everything is kinda canon and kinda not canon.

Like is Sunshine and all Mario's other adventures canon to Paper Mario? In a way, sometimes.. But in other ways its just Mario has been on generic adventures and its kinda can flip flop between these 2 canons. I enjoy viewing it that way. It doesnt really sense but kinda purposely so. Feels artsy and overly simple which is perfect for Mario

>>716248878
Being real I don't even care about whether it's an Odyssey prequel or it's a sequel or there are multiple iterations of Pauline or whatever it's just the suzannefag is really annoying

Honestly i like the pauline x mario angle. Or just that pauline is pauline's daughter.
Franchise is full of single parents already.

>>716248034
Here's the problem. Nintendo wants to reap the benefits of continuity and nostalgia without actually having to commit to the bit and keep track of everything the way the fans do. They want the artistic "freedom" to do whatever they want without being shackled to the past. But they still want the brownie point from including things like K. Rool, Cranky, and other obvious references to things that people enjoy. The same thing happened with Pikmin 4, where they tried to have their cake and eat it to, by making the game an apparent reboot, but still alluding to the plots and discoveries of the past games. It makes everything feel cynical and manipulative.

>>716249168
I only post when another Anon is confused about the lore because I believe my theory makes the most sense.

>>716249243
Don't hold your breath nintendo would never ever confirm that

>>716248878
Thread/

>>716247934
Yes, it is, because if Cranky was actually arcade DK then Cranky wouldn't be in the game since this is literally him as a fucking fossil.

>>716249402
okay and then the obvious take away from that is that Cranky isn't Arcade DK then and he's just senile

>>716242768
I've always considered Nintendo games to be like the Simpsons where episodic shit happens and never gets brought up again after that episode(game in this case). But for some reason people try to piece it all together into some huge timeline or extended universe on nonsense

>>716249402
I think the fossils are depictions. Because if they aren't that means all of Donkey Kong's animal friends are dead and I don't like that

>>716249243
>Or just that pauline is pauline's daughter.
Adult Pauline is too young to have a 13-year-old daughter, assuming she's supposed to be in her mid twenties like the rest of the Mario cast.

Donkey Kong Lore Timeline: Banana. That's it.

>>716249598
>MFW we never get Squitter or Engarde in a future DK game because they're rocks now.
Checkpoink can stay buried. Never liked that stupid pig.

>>716249735
Donkey Kong Bananza takes place in the future.

>pauline looks similar (except much younger) to how she was in Odyssey
>her character arc over the course of bananza is her becoming more comfortable with singing in front of people
>therefore it's a prequel to Super Mario Odyssey

>>716249814
Koizumi...

>>716249923
Am I supposed to see something different? They're just not wearing the 1950s clothes this time. The buildings are pretty much the exact same it's just different billboards

>>716249997
ba. na. na.

>>716249313
Sounds like something only someone with no life would care about.

>>716250195
Why do you care about what people with no life care about?

>>716249928
Everyone knows that. We want to know when DK Arcade takes place.

>>716249592
Yeah, but this is different. This is like if Lisa were a teenager for one episode while everyone else was the same age, no explanation given.

>>716250364
Get a life.

>>716250427
Oh, you didn't see that episode?

>>716250376
>Everyone knows that. We want to know when DK Arcade takes place.
It takes place before Dk country. The fossils confirmed cranky is the arcade Dk

>>716250376
1981

>>716250440
You first.

The lack of loli feet in this thread disturbs me. Are you guys finally back to normal? Are we healing as a society?

>muh timelines
>muh canon

>>716246813
It is very unlikely that the goddamn demo reel to show Mario's moves is supposed to be canonical, unless you think Mario actually died in 1-1 of SMB1 and the whole series has been some Jacob's Ladder shit. And even if it WAS canon, Mario having an acrobatic stage show (which is shown to conclude) doesn't make the whole game a stage show.

>>716250018
The billboards are now LED screens instead of still images lit by lightbulbs and lamps.

>>716250376
Cranky was not referring to the EVENTS of the arcade game, he was LITERALLY the 8-bit Donkey Kong in the 1981 arcade game "Donkey Kong." So when he's referring to it, he literally means back in 1981 in an 8-bit video game arcade cabinet.

>>716250593
Make a thread with Pauline then you will have your feet.

>>716250842
So the game is not "canon" to the present universe, is what you're saying?

>>716250427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH5n-SwBowk

>>716250917
No, the exact opposite. The game is canon. As in, the literal 1981 video game arcade cabinet "Donkey Kong" is canon. Again, I don't mean the events depicted by the game's story and characters, but the actual arcade cabinet itself. It also shows up in DK64.

>>716244713
>dkgb not being canon despite it being one of the games miyamoto has actually talked about the story for
>mario vs donkey kong not canon despite being a whole fucking subseries
>jumpman not being mario despite that being incredibly consistent
i'm going with no

>>716250842
>>716251173
That doesn't make any sense.
Cranky was the original Donkey Kong who kidnapped Lady Pauline.

>>716251845
Cranky Kong was an 8-bit character in the 1981 video game arcade cabinet "Donkey Kong" in the most literal sense possible. The arcade game's existence is canon.

>>716251845
Which took place in 1981 you're not contradicting anything you're replying to
also Lady is not necessarily Pauline

>>716252330
Lady Pauline is different from Mayor Pauline.
Lady Pauline is Mayor Pauline's mother.
Mayor Pauline got kidnapped by Cranky after he kidnapped Lady Pauline.

>>716252486
Source?

>>716252486
Pauline is Pauline
Pauline is Pauline
Pauline got kidnapped by Donkey Kong after he kidnapped Pauline

>>716252657
I figured it out myself.
If Bananza Pauline has a grandma, and DK's grandpa is from the arcade game, then Bananza Pauline's grandma must be Lady Pauline.
But who is Bananza Pauline's mom?
If Lady was retconned into being Mayor Pauline, why would Bananza Pauline mention her grandma, instead of her mom?
If she is mentioning her grandma, but her grandma is Mayor Pauline, then her mother is an unseen Pauline that we don't know about.
Right?

>>716253010
>then Bananza Pauline's grandma must be Lady Pauline.
true
>If Lady was retconned into being Mayor Pauline
but she wasn't
>If she is mentioning her grandma, but her grandma is Mayor Pauline, then her mother is an unseen Pauline that we don't know about.
You're literally contradicting your own statements here

>>716242768
I actually unironically care immensely about Pac-Man lore and I plan to make an in-depth timeline tying nearly every game together.

Since it seems like some people here don't know, Bananza still indicates that Cranky is meant to be the original DK. So that part of the lore is consistent and you can't just say that "all DKs are the same one"

It's only the Pauline/Lady and Mario/Jumpman stuff that's in the air. Cranky being the OG is set in stone by the game

>>716253590
It literally all makes sense if you just consider Jumpman is Mario's ancestor or whatever and that Lady is Pauline's grandmother that she mentions in the game

>>716253590
Mario/Jumpman, Donkey Kong, and Pauline/Lady get reincarnated every other generation Zelda style

>>716253531
I wasn't contradicting my statement.
I was proposing the question of If Mayor Pauline is Bananza Pauline's grandma, then Bananza Pauline's mom is an unknown Pauline, indicating that that scenario doesn't make sense.

>>716253590
It literally does not say that it's Cranky. "A certain Kong" is still intentionally vague.
>But "his descendants"
That particular depiction of DK has a descendant, DK Jr. It maintains the reference without stating it outright.

WHY DOES ONLY DIDDY KONG HAVE A TAIL!?

>>716253989
It says descendants plural so it has to be more than just DK Jr.
You're right that technically it could be some random arbitrary Kong or modern DK from the future or something, but come on anon. They're talking about a Kong in the prim of his youth. There's only one Kong that's old enough to have their prime youth highlighted

>>716254024
Because he's a monkey you retard.

I feel like the game was clearly originally conceived with just Diddy on DK's back beatboxing or some shit and Pauline was an afterthought because they thought it would advertise better (they were right) and they just did not give a single fuck about it making sense.

>>716253976
You're bringing up a scenario that no one has ever actually proposed.

>>716243234
How does DKJR fit in DK94 then? Ans why is Cranky still young?

>>716243934
Hyle Russel won an Emmy

>>716246553
>>716246775
I admit, I never played Pikmen 4. What was the inciting incident in that game?

>>716242768
this

This is a family tree I constructed.
Please note that characters who first appear the movie are in this family tree because their character designs have yet to be depicted in a game.

>>716244651
>Why does Bananza Pauline jump and make noises like Mario?
It's fun to watch a dwarf jump and do little acrobatics.
Just look at them, they're so funny!

>>716244651
>Why does Bananza Pauline talk about her grandma?
Because she has one.

>>716254386
Mario has nothing to do with Pauline stop pushing your faggy headcanon you autistic self inserting freak

>>716249592
There is semi continuity is those western adult-animated shows, if they kill off a character they stay dead

>>716242687 (OP)
>jump mans name is also mario
there you go problem solved you autistic fuck

>>716250661
Kino and canon

>>716254275
The actual course of events was
>They wanted to incorporate Pauline in some way
>DK was given animal transformations
>Concept art of DK as a Zebra was so well liked it was added (pic related)
>The music during transformations led to the idea of the Zebra theme having Latin/Spanish style vocals
>Having vocals lent itself to a gameplay mechanic involving singing
>This wrapped back around to having a reason for Pauline to be involved

>>716243786
my head canon is cranky is actually jr and the og DK tragically died shortly after dk jr

>>716254582
>Mario has nothing to do with Pauline
...Huh?

>>716242687 (OP)
time is a flat chest

>>716242963
It's actually your fault for caring

Game is obviously implying Pauline is Pauline from Odyssey and her Grandma is Lady from the original Donkey Kong. Cranky is still Cranky, and they refuse to acknowledge DK Jr. exists or whether he's modern DK because its one of those things like Bowser Jr's Mom where there's some sort of unspoken rule to just not bring it up ever.

>"but what about "XYZ" that contradicts this

This is Nintendo trying to tie Rare DK back into original Donkey Kong without fucking any of his stuff up. I don't get why they went this exact route either but I'm just glad they didn't fuck anything up on the Country side. Nintendo doesn't give a shit about retconning Mario vs Donkey Kong.

>>716254775
Pauline isn't Mario's daughter. Stop coping. Maybe "Suzanne" is though you never know

>>716244651
>Why does New Donk City look more modern in Donkey Kong Bananza than it does in Super Mario Odyssey?
nintendo devs went to shibuya and decided it looked cooler than jew york
>Why does Bananza Pauline talk about her grandma?
to establish lady as a seperate character
>Why does Bananza Pauline jump and make noises like Mario?
she's a human in a mario game they all do that shit, but you're right paulines mom is probably daisy since they both jump the same

>>716254582
>Mario has nothing to do with Pauline

>>716249928
/thread

>>716254727
Explains why it's such a mess.

>>716254727
>Headcannon
Point me to an interview, otherwise diddy being the og idea is what’s the case

>>716255094
https://www.nintendo.com/us/whatsnew/ask-the-developer-vol-19-donkey-kong-bananza-part-3/

>>716255016
you know what I meant faggot

>>716255094
Retard

>>716248189
but dkc takes place before bananza

>>716248034
That's a sliding timeline. When your neverending series loves making topical references that keep getting more awkward the longer it keeps lurching on. The stuff of adult cartoons and capeshit, not Mario games.

>>716254989
Mayor Pauline named Bananza Pauline after herself.
It is tradition for every new Pauline to perform at City Hall.
I think Pauline's grandma, Lady Pauline, started the tradition.

>>716249919
>>716249598
I just assume its the general species. You find fossilized Zingers encased in amber, but there's plenty of them alive at the end of the game.

>>716243452
Is New Super Mario bros an alternate universe???

>>716255307
No one cares about your headcanon. Here we actually make theories based on evidence in the game sorry to disappoint

>>716249592
Like Zelda games.

>>716244895
Maybe humans evolved from the Kongs and that's why they have similar cultures.

>>716244021
Mario games aren't as lore heavy, nor do they have much of a story as Zelda

>>716243212
>Once you go back to all versions of the characters being the same person the timeline makes way more sense.
That doesn't even make sense with Bananza since Cranky references the arcade DK multiple times plus the 8-bit DK collectible references how DK in Bananza isn't the first DK.

>>716242768
>He doesn't know about the Pac Man's quest to hyperborea

>>716245646
>Damn humans, they tricked us into taking our land.
>How?
>They told us there were bananas in their pants.
>...
>They weren't bananas...

>>716244895
Fun bad

this destroys the lore fags

>>716255475
It should be in there with the games in the "Mario Mario saves Peach multiple times" and the "Mario Mario is still saving Peach" parts of the timeline.

>>716245885
>Arcade's dress.
NINTENDO!!!

>>716244713
>spinoffs aren't canon
super mario is literally a spinoff from donkey kong, retard

>>716244021
Because the "Mario Timeline" is generally assumed to just be release order unless proven otherwise with prequel games like Yoshi's Island. Note how every discussion of Mario lore revolves around what Mario was doing before SMB1.

>>716254752
It really seems like this is the case. Cranky's lectures about climbing girders and stuff would still make sense because he was still there as Jr.

Your meds, sirs.

>>716247049
I wonder how little Pauline fell in love with an Italian boy who works in a pizzeria or why DK decided to live in the zoo.

>>716255984
Cranky isn't Donkey Kong Jr. because he kidnapped Lady Pauline and Mayor Pauline.
Donkey Kong Jr. did not kidnap anyone.

>>716255735
MOOOOOOODS

>>716255735
thats just dkIII

honestly dk lore is actually not even half as fucked as I thought it would get after bananza.

Why can't autists accept that Bananza's Pauline is the same Pauline from Oddysey?

Here are two scenarios, the first scenario is if Lady Pauline wasn't retconned to be Mayor Pauline, and the second scenario is if Lady Pauline was retconned to be Mayor Pauline.

>>716256532
no idea especially when it doesnt even fuck up the time line. it just means dk characters have longer lifespans than people initially thought which is honestly a good thing. the alternative is kongs dying of old age around 30

>>716242687 (OP)
>The timeline is fucked and yes I'm a lore fag
>

>>716256595
there's one other obvious scenario you're ignoring which is the canon one

>>716256047
>Shoves them up my ass like DK

Mario is Jumpman/Mr. Video.
>b-bbut what about...
Time travel.

>>716256682
DKIII was born at the same time as Mario (and likely also pauline), but ages quicker than humans (like apes usually do)

>>716256595
Yes, twenty-something Pauline has a 13 year old granddaughter because she was impregnated when she was five years old and the same thing happened to the resulting offspring.

>>716256680
It does impact the timeline.
Why would DK come back and kidnap his friend against her will?

>>716256680
if you think about it, DK never appeared in a mainline Mario game, which means he died a long time ago

>>716249919
Bananza seems to retcon the animal buddies into species rather than individuals. The race layer featured several "Rambis", Dixie also mentioning "a couple of Rambis".

>>716256994
He is horny

>>716255131
>Hey design a zebra transformation for Donkey Kong
>barafag goes all out
>indirectly changes the entire direction of the game
Is it possible to learn this power?

>>716248681
but I know it had already been destroyed by time travel.

>>716256994
Mario vs DK is a non-canon spinoff (like the Mario sports games). DK 94 is a non-canon remake. The only canon games are the mainline DK games and the mainline Mario games

>>716248643
So what’s the simplest answer this time around?

Professor Chops is fucking dead. This is his corpse.

>>716257225
Don't forget the mainline Yoshi Island and Wario Land games.

>>716257225
source: my asshole

>>716257287
There's multiple of those fossils. They're just his ancestors.

>>716256986
Donkey Kong Bananza takes place 13 years after Super Mario Odyssey.
In Donkey Kong Bananza, Mario and Pauline are in their 30s.
After Super Mario Odyssey, Mario starts his Mario Toy Company, and DK III kidnaps Mayor Pauline.
Then, Mario and Mayor Pauline conceive Pauline III.
13 years later, Pauline III is kidnapped by VoidCo, and DK III saves her.

>>716257416
source: common sense

>Watsonian answer: *paragraphs of convoluted schizo babble that still don’t actually line up correctly*
>Doylist answer: They did it that way cause they wanted to
Doyle wins.

>>716257610
Aren’t you that guy who promised he’d kill himself if he was proven wrong?

Mario vs DK is literally made by Nintendo's D-team. They have no power to decide if their games are canon or not (which obviously aren't)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Software_Technology

>>716257829
Same d-team also made bowser's fury.

>>716256682
This, Baby Bowser is just Bowser Jr. now

Fellas, I'm beginning to think Nintendo doesn't actually give a fuck about interconnected stories, and just wants to do what is fun.

>>716257909
no, they just helped doing it, probably just porting the base game from the WiiU, since they seem to do mostly ports nowadays

>>716257449
Still kinda fucked up you are carrying a bunch of fossils of sentient and conscience beings.

>>716256453
indeed it would be
which is fine but it does imply that every time we see dk jr. he's already had a son
which is also fine because he's a gorilla and mating at a young age would be normal but... just seems a bit odd with how he's characterized

>>716258060
We don't know who exactly worked on Bowser's Fury since Nintendo decided to jumble up the credits but from what we do now it's likely that EPD worked on porting the while NST worked on Bowser's Fury with help from EPD.

>>716257225
DK '94 is canon.
However, if you want to say that the Mario vs. DK games are not canon, then all of Rare DK's Country games can go in this blank area I created in the timeline.

>>716257287
as much as i doubt these fossils are actually implying the characters are dead (killing off every animal buddy for no reason would be silly), i do kind of hope professor chops stays dead. would be the kind of fun silly thing rare would do, like stating bumper went to prison because he's not planned to be used again. and god knows professor chops should not be used again.

>>716247864
Diddy refers to DK in Bananza as his bestest buddy ever.

>>716243452
How the fuck have i never heard of this?

>>716258289
>EPD worked on porting the while NST worked on Bowser's Fury
lol no, they literally don't have the infrastructure to do something like that. Have you seen the games they have made?

>>716249402
But Cranky is a fossil. He outlived his wife by almost 30 years.

>>716258469
fuck me, forgot pic

Ignore all of the other games.
>DKC1 -> DKLand -> DKC2 -> DKC3 -> Konga (notably discovers bongos for the first time) -> 64 (uses bongos) -> Konga 2 -> Konga 3 -> Diddy Kong Racing -> King of Swing -> Jungle Climber -> Jungle Beat -> Country Returns -> Tropical Freeze -> Bananza [-> Barrel Blast because K. Rool is friendly now?]

How does this DK timeline look?

sorry chuddies but you are wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx10Im7Kc5k

>>716258515
They've been hiring a lot more people over there since 2020. And also that's why I said that they got help from EPD, retard.

>>716258565
Why would you call us that?

>>716258764
>GameXplain

>>716258346
There are multiple rambis. Why not the other animal buddies?

You should have learned from LoZ that Nintendo truly does not even attempt to be consistent when it comes to lore.

>>716259441
Why did you break your promise?

>>716258928
i guess that's true.
not good, but true.
what a stupid idea, making cool characters just a fucking species...

>>716257258
Cranky is an eldritch self-aware god, diddy and dixie have laron syndrome, dk got brain damage and they all have a bunch of clones running around in the past

>>716259441
yeah, because Pauline in Bonanza mentioned a lot how her mom was the Mayor of the city and also a famous singer... oh wait, she didn't, because they are the same Pauline

>>716259672
they can't be the same because one is 13 years old and the other one is an adult woman

>>716259498
Why do you complain about my harmless theory, to the point where you pressured me into even creating a goalpost?
As far as I know, you are the only one who is complaining about my theory.
And you are going around and insulting other Anons who bother to theorize about this game.

>>716256994
She likes when he's rough.

>>716259891
wait.. so who is baby mario?

>>716259891
So I guess you when you were 13 and you now are not the same person either.

>>716259983
That's mario as a baby, idiot.

Answer? Don't think about it. Consume product.

>>716259643
It's a force of habit for Nintendo. Characters like Yoshi and Toad for example.

>>716260316
...both of those characters started out as a species in their debut games, anon

>>716260045
but pauline is not pauline?

>>716242687 (OP)
>The timeline
Since when were Mario games part of an overall continuity

Have you guys considered separate timelines/universes?

>>716242687 (OP)
clearly at some point in a game that doesn't exist yet, Pauline got Rydia'd. (thrown into another dimension where time goes faster or some other kind of personal time skip like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in DBZ.)

>>716260485
we don't know why she is a kid

>>716242687 (OP)
They are clearly on friendly terms in Bananza, why did DK have to kidnap her later on?

>>716247252
Anne III from Shaman King Flower

>>716242687 (OP)
>giving a shit about lore in bing bing wahoo

>>716260480
I guess. There was still THE Yoshi and A yoshi. Same for toad. Cranky in Bananza seems to be riding THE Rambi.

It's not a big deal honestly. Rambi is literally a generic rino.

>>716254386
Is the Mario movie canon?

>>716260583
When Donkey Kong Jr came out in arcades.

>>716260657
why is baby mario a baby?

>>716260813
No.
I am just using the depictions of Mario Mario's parents and Mario Jumpman from the movie, because they have not been depicted in a game yet.

>>716242687 (OP)
If they actually cared they'd recognize these mistakes in the development process. So it shows me they don't care.

>>716260973
And probably never will.

>>716260973
Ackshually, Mario's parents have actually been portrayed, as a couple of pairs of hands brah.

>>716261234
I thought they were delivered by a stork though

>>716260769
for rambi it's not that big of a deal but it would be silly to have a whole species of spiders that wear sick kicks, maybe like half the animal buddies would work as species instead of singular characters

>>716261016
But why don't they don't care
Can't they see how this would be a bit confusing to players who recognize these characters

>>716261016
>>716261410
To me it just shows that they really like Tezuka's Star System, and that the only Nintendo timeline that isn't fucked at this point is Metroid (please don't prove me wrong, Prime 4, if you ever come out, that is)

>>716244146
Because it's fun. The main point is gameplay. Bits of fun lore come later.

>>716244713
Mario certainly takes DK Jr. Having murdered his grandfather well. I wonder if he family knew about it.

>>716244146
To bait >(you)

>>716244418
He's magic and doesn't age. Who cares

Why are people claiming that little girl pauline is a different pauline

Every day I praise Lord in our Heaven I am not autistic enough to care about continuity in cartoons

>>716261332
>parents wish to have a child
>it gets delivered by stork
it's not that hard, anon
how do you think you were born

>>716261713
God help you if you're a SpongeBob lorefag (or if you even watch SpongeBob anymore)

Test

>>716261794
spongefags that have timeline autism have it the absolute worst

>>716255652
>>716253543
can I get a quick rundown of the pacman situation?

The current big issues with the timeline are

>Donkey Kong Mario is the same as modern Mario
>Cranky is Arcade Donkey Kong.
>Pauline is suddenly young despite also intended to be the original Pauline.

All those have to be solved have any semblance of a sane timeline. People keep talking like you can just solve one of them, but you need to fix all 3 with some explanation. And I doubt Nintendo cares about that. Or how attempting to fix this results in them having deal with other oddities like Donkey Kong 94.

>>716242804
Nah, bananas taste pretty great.

Have you guys considered that when they originally made MOST of these games there was never any real thought given to continuity? It's just more of the same and better iterations. There's no lore continuity between windows 10 and windows 11. And that now devs are WORKING BACKWARDS to try and make sense of it, and it's just gonna be shit no matter what because it was never meant to be a strong story anyway? Did you guys consider that?

>>716262121
All they have to do is just give a timeline on their website, like how Sonic did it. 40th anniversary of SMB1 is coming up, so no better time than now.

>>716262121
I believe I solved it, but one guy keeps complaining at me.

>>716262235
>All they have to do is just give a timeline
So you faggots can bitch like when they gave a zelda timeline? It isn't worth it.

I just think they wanted to tell a story about young Pauline going on an adventure with DK even if that didn't perfectly line up with like 40 years of game stories and Rare jokes.

>>716262289
Its very low risk for big payoff (more attention)

Do they ever explain how and why Pauline got abducted and transformed?

Void Co attacked NDC?

>>716262235
>All they have to do is just give a timeline on their website, like how Sonic did it
I don't think there is one.

>>716262279
Who are you?

>>716262456
Its Nintendo's fault they decided to own those Rare jokes after Rare left. They could've thrown the whole Cranky thing out years ago.

I mean the obvious answer is that Miyamoto is wrong about Jumpman being Mario. Word of God yadda yadda but Miyamoto has always been staunchly against adding any characterization or depth to the Mario franchise whatsoever and is clearly at odds with the rest of Nintendo working on shit like Galaxy and Odyssey at this point where they want some kind of simplified lore driven and connected IP universe. Ignore Grandpa yelling about how Mario should be about saving the same Princess from the same bad guys and nothing else for 50 years and sabotaging the Paper Mario franchise.

>>716259438
I learned from Legend of Zelda the exact opposite of that is true, actually. BOTW clearly has references to all the timelines at the same time, by the way. Just go by oh I don't know the fact that both the Rito and the Zora exist in it and the naming of places are clearly references to all the places in every Zelda game before it. Every single time that someone on /v/ goes "oh le lore is totally not consistent at all and is never consistent :^) " it's always such a brainlet take every time; not backed in reality. I wish people would stop this retarded argument already.

>>716262562
I am the Pauline III theorist.

>>716262590
What if Shigeru Miyamoto's plan is to bring Mario and Pauline back together?
Consider the following.

>>716262836
Deconfirmed in the "Ask the Developers". Frankly nothing in the game even implies it either.

>>716262836
I am a Lady = Pauline and
Pauline II theorist. And I don't acknowledge the movie at all. Jumpman is Mario. the Japanese lyrics for Jump Up Super Star are hints. the Japanese dialog for DK Bananza only says that her grandma gave Pauline II hand me downs. She never said that she wore them herself. In fact, there aren't any hints as to who Pauline II's grandma is at all.

>>716263079
She references her Grandmother.

Which implies a generation between Lady and Bananza Pauline.
Lady is blonde though so its not like they all would supposedly look alike.

>>716263056
believable if you look at the Japanese lyrics for Jump Up Superstar and translate them to English and realize the English localization of the song left out romantic implications.

>>716254891
>don't think just consoom
How long have you been at this bugman bullshit

>>716263281
>She references her Grandmother.
>Which implies a generation between Lady and Bananza Pauline.
Absolutely nothing implies her grandmother is "Lady". Theres as much evidence for her being K Rool's wife.

>>716263362
I have never read the Japanese lyrics.

>>716263362
https://www.mariowiki.com/Jump_Up,_Super_Star!#Japanese

Bananza Pauline does reference living at city-hall at one of the getaways. That + all the other evidence indicates to me that this definitely isn't a prequel to the arcade game.

>>716263451
The very nature of the game, Donkey Kong and a female character, implies some kind of relationship between Pauline and Lady.
Pauline is from NDC where the original events occured.
Pauline is playing a similar but redemptive role where the relationship is supporting and positive as opposed to kidnapping.
Also Pauline gets a Lady outfit.

She's clearly Bananza Pauline's grandma.

>>716263620
>living at city-hall
I don't know why I wrote "living at". "Going to" would be more accurate.

Bananza Pauline says plenty of Mario phrases like
>Hoohoo!
>Yeah! Hahaha!
>Waaaah!
>Here we go! (Zebra Bananza theme)
>Oh yeah! (Ostrich Bananza theme)
>Let's (-a-) go!
>Woohoo!
>Okey dokey. (Good night, DK.)
and many others.

>>716263451
>>716263721

>>716263834
because they are cousins

>>716263893
nice that Pauline has a version of her mom's outfit in her size. And several of her dad's outfits in her size.

>>716242687 (OP)
>The timeline is fucked and yes I'm a lore fag
DK in Bananza is DK Jr after a timeskip. Motherfucker was always an absolute unit like his dad, unlike Diddy and Dixie who were destined to be lanklets.

>>716263721
You're just taking the vagueness in the game's story to fill in your own headcanon. "Lady" and Pauline are similar because they're rooted in the same arcade character but none of that actually implies her off screen grandmother is Lady.

>>716263985
No.
Mario and Pauline got back together in Super Mario Odyssey.
Mario's wahoo noises were passed down to Pauline III.

>>716264132
you mean Pauline II

>>716263893
This just feels like a throwback costume and not some secret piece of lore. Shit, Pauline even has a "family outfit" which would more likely be her grandmothers as it's her only established family member and it's not the Lady one.

USAnians will never be human.

>>716264179
Lady is Pauline. it's her mom's outfit

>>716264048
It's not explicitly confirmed, but it is the obvious implication.

>>716264171
I was referring to her as Pauline Jr. until we heard about her grandma.
There's Lady Pauline, Mayor Pauline, and Pauline III.

>tattered clothes
>never mentions her parents
>only mentions her grandma
>has to work as a street performer
Pauline is an orphan who lives on the streets and her grandmother is in a nursing home.

>>716264356
Lady Pauline = Mayor Pauline. She became Mayor after the events of DK arcade

>>716242687 (OP)
these are definitely not the same character, how does jumpman go from whipping kongs for circus acts to being bing bing wahoo tripping balls with luigi?

>>716247252
I like this theory almost as much as I like the theory that Peach is Bowser Jr's mom. Everyone is happy.

>>716242687 (OP)
The Pauline dev just wanted to be a huge faggot and try to make his waifu more popular by turning her into a kid, never mind the mess it makes of the lore now, this is why Miyamoto tard wrangled the younger developers for years and the moment he's hands off they do this

>>716242687 (OP)
There's only one single piece of lore in all of Mario, they're actors. That's it, that's the entire Mario lore. They're a theater troupe that acts in different scenarios.

>>716264495
Lady is not Mayor Pauline.
Lady has blonde hair, and is from an older time period.

Lady is Pauline's grandma.
>>716264392 something like this where her mother is out of the picture as a result of some tragedy.

>>716263893
>lady
Nice to see that they finally addressed it and made the blond lady another character named Lady

>>716264783
factually wrong. Nintendo even confirmed Lady = Pauline
>guys! women don't dye their hair or wear blonde wigs ever!
fucking fake ass "Nintendo fan"

>>716264890
Nigga they factually confirmed they ARENT

>>716264048
>You're just taking the vagueness in the game's story to fill in your own headcanon.
to be fair, that's the devs intention, there is nothing else to do

>>716264890
Lady is Pauline I, Mayor Pauline is Pauline II, Bananza Pauline is Pauline III.

>>716265010
source?

>>716242687 (OP)
lmao who cares, nigger

>>716265094
Why are you being mean?

>>716265062
fake news

>>716263893
the fact that it took this long to get posted means most of the thread is just butthurt foxgrapes

>>716264783
Lady is Madonna

>>716261339
This is the Mario/DK universe we are talking about. Isn't weird alone Yoshis wear shoes? This is the same mythos that allows small rocks to have earth like gravity and the moon to be lighter than a feather.

>>716242768
>He's never heard of lore-centric terms like the Mario Mandate

>>716259891
>>716260045
>>716260657
You people are driving me insane

>>716265962
She dances like Pauline, and jumps like Mario.

>>716264272
There's also the obvious implication that this is just an Odyssey prequel again for the same reasons mentioned way earlier in the thread but no one wants to talk about that huh

>>716242687 (OP)
is that Carmen Sandiego?

>>716266134
>yeah the developers went out of their way to have the finale happen in New Donk City and also for the game to end on the exact same City Hall but they never once hinted at these obvious important details about her parentage because...THEY JUST DIDN'T OK
>I am a very intelligent theorist

Nintendo characters are not attached to any plotline, or worldbuilding, or anything. They have ambiguous backstories, with ambiguous lore that changes every game. They are basically free-floating entities in the ether.

At the end of the day, a nintendo character is a smiling colorful children's character. The most important feature of the character is their smiling face. Nothing else really matters.

What's with autists wanting every character to secretly be several different people who all have the same name?

>>716266434
They didn't tell us about her parents because that would spoil everything and we wouldn't have to "consider" anything while playing the game like Nintendo said we should.

>>716266213
I don't have a problem with this game occurring before Odyssey, so I dont know what you're complaining about.

>>716266545
They aren't the same person, and they dont have the same name.
Hope that helps.

>>716266545
Donkey Kong Jr and Bowser Jr exist. It's a reoccurring theme.

Searching through the catalog
>dark gritty game with awesome violence
>hot boobs game
>interesting puzzle game
>artistic game with meaningful plot threads
but in between all of those, there is
>smiling colorful nintendo character
>smiling colorful nintendo character
>smiling colorful nintendo character
oh look it's another thread with
>smiling colorful nintendo character

It's like, because of Nintendo, this whole industry became associated with manchildren reliving their childhoods. I get so annoyed seeing it. Wow another smiling colorful nintendo thread, again.

>>716266804
>Jr

>>716266656
>t. guy who missed the past seventeen threads on this game

What if Pauline is a last name?
Pauline Pauline, Lady Pauline, and the like?

>>716266906
guess you shouldnt have whined about it at me then

>>716242687 (OP)
yes anon they make games for kids who doesn't care about lore or timelines they care about the game being fun, go and read shitty american super hero comics if you want to be autistic over lore.

>>716263893
Oh shit, 64 Mario confirmed to be Odyssey Mario's father.

>>716266950
I considered that, but then Pauline III told the Kong Elder that her name was Pauline.

>>716267037
Japanese use their last name when introducing themselves

>>716266836
Donkey kong is also a jr but he is never referred as that

>>716267124
You can't be serious

>>716263056
She doesn't actually do any of the bing bing wahoo lines in Japanese.

>>716267124
Huh, I didn't know that.

>>716264392
>Young Mario works at his parents' restaurant.
>He sees a homeless girl playing the guitar.
>He gives her a slice of pizza.
>The girl remembers this even as an adult.

>>716266134
she jumps like daisy

>>716266325
>Carmen Sandiego
Who?

>>716244021
because Miyamoto said like 30 years ago that the Mario cast are all actors, so there's no lore "timeline" that has to be upheld. Which is why they go go karting and play board games with bowser.

>>716267035
Your theory would make sense if it weren't for the fact that it's not called Mario 64's suit

>>716267228
They are the noises she makes when you launch out of a barrel, or do anything else.
Are those in the Japanese version?

The TRUTH is
Bananza's Pauline should be Mario and Pauline's daughter
But Nintendo are COWARDS
COWARDS
They can't show a happy Italian family
A nice dinner with Mario, Pauline, their daughter, Uncle Luigi and maybe weird cousin Wario
Nah can't have that.
Peach is a family destroying WHORE.

>>716257225
>DK 94 is a non-canon remake
So by that logic, the game introducing Pauline is non-canon, and thus Pauline does not canonically exist. Case closed.

>>716267257
>>He gives her a bowla da spaghetti!
Ftfy

>>716267451
>Italian
>happy
not possible

>>716267218
look up your favorite anime character

>>716264048
I bet you didnt guess krool was involved from all of cranky's obvious hints too

>>716267451
We will probably live to see Mario and Pauline have a daughter.

>>716267451
There is nothing more elegant and high-status than ruining a family.

>>716267514
And Wario is actually just his last name and waluigi is actually his last name can you stop being so retarded? This is embarrassing

>>716267673
Mario Mario

Pauline's mom getting saved for the sequel.
She got lost in the jungle somewheres as an explorer, and Pauline teams up with DK to find her.

>>716267653
If you told this to my child self, he'd tell you you're a liar and that you eat poop.
But my current self accepts it as a possible reality.

>>716267451
the theory falls apart when you consider DK should be crankys age in bananza if it was paulines daughter.

>>716267442
Yes but she doesn't make Mario noises. She just says shit like Ikke coming out of the barrel where the English line is Wahoo

>>716267506
>>716267662
>Luigi gets to live a happy life with nice Mansions and married to Daisy
>Mario fucks his marriage up by falling for a Monarch
>ends up rejected by both chicks
Too grim Nintendo
too fucking grim
All we need now is a Mario and Bowser game, the 2 losers
>>716267653
Maybe Mario is like Mussolini and he just can't keep his dick in his pants.

>>716267721
The Bob Hoskins movie unironically had the best storyline for all of this
>All of Mario's video games are just Naive Japanese developers trying to make a quick buck, with Spike and Iggy also trying to make a quick buck by telling them retarded, contradictory stories as unreliable witnesses to "real" events
Current Nintendo's philosophy of pretending that there is actually a connected storyline to everything, then proceeding to skullfuck it into the ground with Pikmin 4, Tears of the Kingdom, and Young Pauline is the worst possible choice. It wants you to care just enough to be disappointed by the bad writing.

>>716267917
/thread

>>716268049
back then the lore was they were an acting troupe in the video games and that's still the case as far as I know

>>716244418
Mario can time travel
as seen in Mario's Time Machine and Yoshi's New Island

>quickly scroll past nerd babble
>download cute images
>close thread

>>716268049
surprisingly the monkey game is the least egregious out of those 3. pikmin feels like miyamoto just wanted to do some tiny world shit and just didnt give a fuck. botw and totk I think they just wanted to make a bunch of cheap references like ian fucking flyn wrote it without realizing it makes no sense. bananza on the otherhand mostly retcons a bunch of darker shit like mario being kind of a POS and kongs having uncomfortably short lifespans. It was probably done to make the brand more friendly but its honestly not bad.

>>716267257
>A princess appears.
>She steals her childhood sweetheart.

Classic Japanese romance story.

>>716242687 (OP)
The real reason is because nuPauline will kill Pauline and take over the series.

Can someone explain to me why a lot of people hate lore and lorefags?

>>716269376
I think it might be Eric who hates the lore discussion.

>>716269469
You act like this Eric faggot is every post on this website.

>>716269658
I call him out when he uses the word "tendie" to describe Nintendo fans.
>>715953124

>>716242687 (OP)
I don't care too much about Pauline but why was DK living underground?

>>716270048
He doesn't.

Post Mario X Pauline pics
Yep that's what I thought.

>>716270182
Ah, he just took a trip looking for infinite bananas? That sounds like him.

>>716267653
Where's that "M-m-mario and P-peach are good f-f-friends" post?

>>716268616
Honestly I'm willing to buy the "The timelines converged again at some point and the Breath games happened thousands of years afterwards" theory solely on the basis of Hyrule Warriors existing and featuring branch merger shenanigans, even with that being a non-canon spinoff game.

>>716270710
Is this it?

Nobody believes in me and you
Just look at the way they stare
So what if we live in a walled garden
As long as I've got you then I don't care

will never be canon btw

>>716250661
I've been trying to tell /v/ this for years now about this interview and that basically all nintendo characters are pretty much actors. Fictional ones that don't even need a paycheck. I'm an autist but thankfully my part of the spectrum doesn't give a godamn about timeliness.
Sometimes timeliness are just fun to look at but I'm past the point of this silly BS and actually caring. It's bing bang wahoo

Nintendo has to make these games forever so eventually down-the-line they're going to stop giving a shit and fumble They are trying to please shareholder's and there 12th yacht fund not cater to every autist.

>>716271870
>nintendo characters are pretty much actors. Fictional ones that don't even need a paycheck.

Fun fact this is the future of cinema in real life and I say good because fuck actors.

>>716271870
>Nintendo has to make these games forever

Not forever but until gaming is no longer profitable and Nintendo moves on to a different industry remember they've been alive for over a hundred years and their gaming division is only like forty years old.

>>716272042
There are actual actors that are good role models that are really chill and genuinely just love to do it. But there is barely a handful anymore of them anymore. unfortunately majority of them are super narcissists\sold their soul to the devil Illuminati ,13 blood royal families whatever how deep the conspiracy theories go.

AI takeing over hollywood actors will be a blessing and a curse but once it sinks into games It's time to find a new hobby leave society and become a wizard.

>>716270643
Amazing how Pauline went from being replaced and forgotten to a prominent cast member and co-star.

>>716271870
The thing is, people are just going to use that as an excuse to go "Karts/Sports/Party does not count, only mainline platformers and RPGs".
Because even in a lot of these franchises Miyamoto uses as examples of characters as actors that can play any role, there's still some stuff trying to present itself as the "real lives" of these cartoon characters. Popeye's original comic strip was a serialized adventure thing and all this autism about the Mario/DK timeline looks quaint compared to what you see surrounding Donald Duck/Scrooge lore.

>>716272525
Don't know I just want to see humanity depressed and demoralized so seeing fake human actors that are fictional ruining cinema, reporting the news, etc sounds like Heaven. I need to see mankind miserable until the end of the Earth. I won't live to see that but I need to know humans invented their doom. Bonus if prices go up since people are stupid and love being knowingly scammed.

>>716272526
Because she's female and masturbating losers will always masturbate. That's about it. Look at shit like Dead or Alive its the Buy And Masturbate franchise.

>>716273168
If that's the case, then where's captain syrup and white mage?

>>716272251
This is true. I feel like video games will forever be profitable. Even if it turns into AI slop unfortunately. Kids in the future wont give a shit because they're not gonna have the patience for years for these games to come out. Look at how fortnite's operated all it does is update. The fanbase always wants more endless consumerism
We have no idea What kids that are being born right now are gonna be into 15 years from now.

Will kids even like pokemon 30? Even 50 years from now anymore? Or will they be into some werid ass shit we won't be able to understand.

All i know is gaming Isn't going anywhere anytime soon and nintendo will sure to be pumping games out for a long time unless they royally trip over their shoelaces somehow.
Gaming is bigger than any other entertainment in the industry sports music movies you name it.
I can kind of predict and guess nintendo will try a VR gimmick for a few generations once the technology is really advanced. mario zelda and pokemon VR world's or something similar to what disney is doing with holotiles.

>>716273353
White mage is a final fantasy thing, idk if they could use her in anything without square enix involvement

What if Mario, Pauline, Pauline III, Grandma Lady Pauline, Grandpa Mario Jumpman, Peach, and friends went on another tropical vacation, but Bowser Jr.'s real mama kidnaps Pauline, Grandma Lady Pauline, and Peach?

Is this the DK Bananza thread?
I'm trying to beat the Battle Rush, but that stage with the fucking alive thorny concrete walls keeps getting the better of me. How do I kill those fuckers quickly?

>>716273513
>We have no idea What kids that are being born right now are gonna be into 15 years from now.

They will be a mess there is no hope for humanity the rich Jews want everyone to be nice and stupid and they never needed to work hard to accomplish this humans are naturally dumber than Forrest Gump. So humans are destined to be stupid from cradle to grave.

>>716272885
>and all this autism about the Mario/DK timeline looks quaint compared to what you see surrounding Donald Duck/Scrooge lore.

I'm not qualified or even wanna go near that godamn cluster F. I've dipped my toes and watched from the sidelines. I'm good

>>716273754
It's like I'm really on DeviantArt.

>>716273926
>So humans are destined to be stupid from cradle to grave.

So this was a documentary not fiction. Damn

I'm sorry for the pauline autist, he breaks containment at times
>t. /smbg/

>>716242687 (OP)
Ok, bu t why is there no fan-art of adult Pauline with child Pauline's outfit.
Barefoot, of course.

>>716274028
The donald and Scrooge lore cant be as bad as castlevania. Or even Jojo's bizarre when it comes to bloodlines

>>716273353
>>716272526
Koizumi is a male feminist and wants to turn the Mario franchise into girlboss central. It's pretty much confirmed that if we get a new Wario Land game, there's going to be a female playable co-star, either Syrup, Mona, Lulu, or even Wapeach[/spoiIer]

>>716274631
Koizumi isn't even involved with the development of Bananza outside of him telling the team to create a 3D DK game.

>>716274631
Modern Nintendo couldn't develop a Wario Land game

playable Mona would be cool though

>>716273754
At this point go to school get a good ass resume hope nintendo hires you and direct this autism yourself.

Hell do what sonic fans do. They make there own fans games that are better then sega craps out

>>716275378
I'm fine with whatever Nintendo comes up with.
I was just brainstorming about a Super Mario Sunshine sequel for fun.

>>716275546
>i will slurp up whatever slop nintendo comes up with

>>716275673
I do think they might do a Sunshine sequel.

>>716269001
An exact moment where interest in a comic died from a retarded decision. Every issue of the sequel got active threads on /co/, and then the abrupt cheap reset happened and it was forgotten

>>716254752
>>716255984
It doesn’t work because Diddy and Dixie are there, talk about the Country games, and mention Candy being jealous they’re hanging out without her

>>716276560
that doesnt really disprove anything but Im pretty sure the fossils are just supposed to be distant ancestors anyways/just fun references

>>716242768
I agree. I never even understood taking the Zelda timeline seriously. Taking Mario and Donkey Kong timelines seriously is ridiculous.

>>716278279
I'm happy Nintendo is trashing the Zelda timeline with Breath and Tears because it hurts lore fags and it helps hurt the Zelda series with god awful stories and writing. Hope it helps destroy the franchise eventually. Hope the Zelda movie is also a hideous expensive failure for Nintendo may it fail worse than Eragon.

>>716278483
You sound like a miserable person.

>>716278839
That might be Eric.

>>716263721
>>716263893
NTA, but if the supposed implication is that the dress name is meant to establish Lady as a separate character, then shouldn’t the usage of “Lady” as a given name be consistent across different translations?

>>716278839
I just don't want people happy that's normal. I want Nintendo to allow hacks to ruin the brand just trash it. Make Link a zoophile rapist in game. Make Zelda a transsexual blacked abomination. Make Ganon the most evil bastard ever but explains he's a hero as he does all his crimes and wins against Link and Zelda. Do bad ideas intentionally Nintendo fans are stupid t hey will buy them anyway so tarnish the brand and do the worst of everything including inexplicably make all the games play like Skyward Sword do it because you have to do it and Nintendo fans are idiots who will buy it anyway.

>>716278279
Because Zelda storytelling was important enough to them that even with the "Fight Ganon, get Triforce, save the princess" formula, they couldn't just make it a weekly event like the Mario games and decided that NES Ganon had to stay dead, hence why LTTP was written as a prequel set in a previous generation, OoT was a prequel to that prequel and introduced the whole "These three characters are trapped in a generational cycle doing this for eternity" concept. Then Koizumi, who came up with most of this lore got kicked over to Mario and Aonuma was put in charge and he didn't really give a shit about lore and that's why we have three timeline branches.

>>716279528
Eric...

Holy marketer thread, it's just a kids game

Where does Timber Tiger fit into the timeline?

>>716242687 (OP)
at some point you should give up on nintendo, they clearly don't respect lorefags and want them to suffer

>>716280151
Nintendo told us to theorize about Bananza Pauline.
I don't know if they did that for Pikmin 4 or Zelda, did they?

>>716274631
Koizumi gave us the full breasted Cremia hug
Quit making shit up

>>716279364
Or maybe those translators didn't get the memo, what is it in Japanese?

can't wait for the next game the odyssey developers come out with to be a wario game that explicitly drops some the walrus was paul shit on lorefags

>>716242687 (OP)
Synthetic man is right this game sucks

>>716276185
QRD?

You're all a bunch of loser faggots.

>>716282645
Why would you call us that?

>>716282716
Ore wa.... S-Supa Bejita Da!

>>716281272
Bit late for that.

>>716266134
That's just how italian people jump

>Caring about lore in a MARIO game
Miyamoto has said that Mario is an actor and each game is a play. Remember the Ending of 3. Yep that's canon.