Thread 716296851

Is fantasy racism in RPGs really necessary?

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Are those kinds of games real? I thought they were made up for movies as a stereotypically nerdy thing, like pocket protectors and asthma.

>>716296851 (OP)
It makes the setting more realistic and believable.

>>716296851 (OP)
You can go without it, but it can add to the immersion. Extra points if someone is racist against the player character. Minus points if it's just a "villain kicks a puppy that's part of racial minority" -scene with no further implications.

>>716296937
they're real and if you find the right group and the right system they're more fun than vidya. >>>/tg/

>>716296937
>Are those kinds of games real?
What do you mean those kinds of games?
Tabletop roleplaying games?
Are you fucking retarded?

>>716297040
>if you find the right group and the right system they're more fun than vidya.
They look gay as hell if I'm being honest. No wonder Japanese fiction mogs the west's.

>>716296851 (OP)
If it's good for world building and has logical reasoning behind it.

>>716296851 (OP)
It is.
The fun is doing it in some parts of story, not all the time, and make sure every-player gets a bit.

>>716297105
The game happens in the theatre of the mind

>>716296851 (OP)
What is this face trying to convey?

>>716297236
>yay

>>716297236
the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>716297127
This anon gets it.

>>716296851 (OP)
that goblin looks like it was drawn by a troon, and it has nothing to do with the hair color either

>>716297060
likely an actual child, this board is full of them

>>716296851 (OP)
>Is fantasy racism in RPGs really necessary?
Depends on the setting. If you´re playing in a setting like The Witcher? Fuck yes, its absolutely necessary.

>>716297338
Just not American. Why do Americans assume every country shares their games?

>>716297296
most modern dnd fans are fags, troons, or women so go figure

>>716296851 (OP)
*Speciesism
Yes

>>716297429
sorry to hear you live in africa
good luck with the mud hut and fly burgers

>>716297541
The US is 20% African and only 38% white.

there always has been racist. there always will be racism. racism in RPGs can be a great story telling device

To claim that no prejudice of any kind exists anywhere in a world full of individuals with wildly varying bodies, skin colors, and cultures is so goddamn stupid it makes my head hurt. A world in which the characters experience no real friction except against the designated villain(s) is a boring one.

That said, in an RPG group (especially a newly formed one), you should give your players the heads up about this kind of shit so that they don't think you're being mean to them as people. Nerds can be some sensitive motherfuckers. It's appropriate to tell them, "Hey, you're playing a drow and you're about to head into Mithral Hall. A lot of the dwarves there fucking hate drow, so you should probably disguise yourself or something."

>>716296851 (OP)
Should be
>top one: goblin player smiling
>bottom one: goblin player rolling their eyes

>>716297236
dude, forest shrooms lmao

>>716297429
I'm not american and have been playing TTRPGS since like 2004.
They're white nerd hobbies all across europe too.
My country even wrote its own system that cucked D&D out of the market until Stranger Things aired.

>>716297783
Didn't ask.

>>716296937
Anon, we have an entire board dedicated to those type of games. /tg/

You don't care that other people play pretend wrong, do you?

>>716297591
cool nonsequitur ahmed
maybe another arab spring will help you stay on topic

>>716296851 (OP)
>hurr don't be racist to the goblins

They are man eating monsters, they do not have real societies, they are bandits made into a seperate monster class.

>>716297850
When I look up pictures of people playing with those games they all are either overweight, have beards, or are visibly gay in some way.
>>716297865
It's funny that you accuse others of being African, yet Americans are by far the most likely to be African in this thread.

>>716296851 (OP)
The tavern keeper awkwardly avoids eye contact while moving the glass he's polishing to cover his crotch.

>>716296883
fpbp

>>716297727
Just make it a DC 5 knowledge local check or whatever for those types of scenarios. Keeps the immersion a bit

>>716297429
non American here.
if you don't know what tabletop games are then you are a third world retard.

>>716296851 (OP)
Do NOT let goblins into taverns

>>716297836
>brownoid zoomspeak
kek!

>>716296851 (OP)
>Is fantasy racism in RPGs really necessary?
it's impossible to kill other sentient creatures if you don't believe them to basically be monsters undeserving of any sympathy

>>716296937
You're either black or a teenager, most likely both.

>>716296851 (OP)
Earlier ttrpg's had you playing basic classes and races, which were often the same thing, like human, elf, dwarf, wizard etc. Then over time race and class were divided with each race having different bonuses and whatever.

Then people wanted to play weirder races, which imo was fine. You want to play an orc? A goblin? A dark elf? Awesome, but there's a lot of prejudice against these races and even if you're one of the good ones society might react negatively to you.

That made for some interesting concepts. But now a all races are becoming this samey blob of nothing. Everyone looks and plays the same and everyone gets along like some kind of hippy commune.

Did you see they made orcs Mexicans in the new D&D books? See, if I was going to make a race Mexican it'd be the goblins. Orc Mexicans is retarded.

>>716298059
what about as public sex toys?

>>716296851 (OP)
>racism
Goblins are evil creatures just as violent as orcs.

>>716298051
I'm glad I don't know about them. I looked them up and it seems like people in their 30s will drop hundreds of dollars on this shit just to play pretend and roll dice. I thought boomers were bad with their slot machine addiction, but this is worse. Also the players look like caricatures of cucks from 10 years ago.
>>716298074
>redditclamation point
You have to go back.

>>716297429
It's even more popular I'd argue in Europe, and if you're not from there then maybe you should leave this site.

>>716298104
>it's impossible to kill other sentient creatures if you don't believe them to basically be monsters undeserving of any sympathy
That's not true.
You can kill in self defense or kill out of mercy or kill because you're forced to.
Many reasons.
You lack imagination (and that's why you play video games instead of TTRPGs)

>>716296851 (OP)
I played a goblin at my table and the DM made every NPC racist to me, so I just had the face tell everyone I was their trained pet and would later steal from the town and or kill them, not for being racist but because I was a goblin and it was in my nature

>>716297105
>he didn't roleplay as a loli catgirl in /tg/ rpgs
NGMI...

The more racist the hotter the interspecies sex

>>716298212
The entire reason I would even play a goblin is for the excuse to being a greedy backstabbing piece of shit.

>>716298212
Partially why picking the more unique races in a game will always be worth doing more than just going human or elf (unless the elves have something interesting going for them.)

>>716298209
>>redditclamation point
you were born after 2003 and are trying too hard to fit in.
kek!

>>716296851 (OP)
>woke human goes to goblin village and expects to be welcomed and treated as an equal
>is stabbed, has guts pulled out and is chopped up for soup meat
>WTF HOW DID THIS HAPPEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TREAT EVERYONE WITH THE SAME DIGNITY, RESPECT AND COMPASSION-ACK

>>716296937
this generation is so fucked

>>716298265
You sound trans.
>>716298287
Your posts read like one of those awful customer service emails. What's next, you'll tell me to "do better" and call me a chud?

>>716298242
Not every monster you encounter needs to actually be a good guy who loves the Earth who is just misunderstood.

>>716296851 (OP)
The entire appeal of playing the hated outsider race like drow, tieflings or goblins is either

a) You get to kill all the people being dicks to you

or

b) You show society that you are one of the good guys and eventually get praised and liked for it

>>716297429
How do you not know about D&D?
t. yuro

>>716296851 (OP)
Racism is the most undiluted form of conflict. Ants and wolves have defined scent-based borders created purely to keep other types of their kind out. If your world has no racism between visually distinct races, it's slop, pure and simple.

>>716298242
>You can kill in self defense
you are beset by a beast, it is a monster undeserving of sympathy.
>kill out of mercy
this individualhas been rendered an object to be killed out of sympathy.
>kill because you're forced to
can't happen and has never happened historically

>>716298363
b) The Hellboy route. How come no one wants to play Hellboy?

If these games are all about playing pretend, why do you have to buy a box of stuff to play it? Couldn't you just get a dice on its own and use that? It seems like you make everything else up yourself.

>>716298347
>You sound trans.
I'm an adult male who play as character I'd like to have sex with. I'll gladly play as a male if the rpg let me sex up tiny flat creatures though.

>>716298376
Agreed. This is why there needs to be more racist furry rpgs. Imagine the hot interspecies scenarios you can come up with

>>716298376
Ants and Wolves are beasts that have no abillity to make peace besides avoid each other entirely. There is no place for racism in fantasy races capable of empathy. Goblins however are incapable of empathy, they're all sociopathic.

>>716298279
Those are traits more associated with j- wait nevermind.

>>716298186
>if I was going to make a race Mexican it'd be the goblins
that is just as retarded as mexiorcs

>>716298426
All you really need to drop cash on is dice and dice are cheap. And depending on the rules you might only need regular old six sided dice which is even easier to get. Nowadays you can just download a dice roller app on your phone even.

You can get a rulebook pdf for free just about anywhere.

The key is to make your fantasy society so overwhelmingly racist that it teeters on the absurd. You want plenty of places that are creatively, virulently xenophobic towards humans and elves too.

But here's the tricky part. Racist expectations must be met as often as they are subverted. Everyone must be racist but everyone should contain multitudes.

>Goblin who is more than just a mushroom sniffing thief
>He snorts shrooms and steals yeah but he also wants to join a seminary

All racism should be at least somewhat justified, especially if it's against humans.

>>716298209
Tabletop is the origin of half the games commonly discussed on this board. We have an entire subboard dedicated for the genre it spawned. You are unironically a 12 year old kid.

>>716298310
>woke human goes to goblin village and expects to be welcomed and treated as an equal
>has sex multiple times

>>716296851 (OP)
>ACTUALLY IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF ROLEPLAY REASONS IT'S BECAUSE I'M AN UNREASONABLE STRAWMAN!
Great comic

>>716298426
It's about the community and supporting each other. I'll gladly drop a few hundred bucks every few weeks if it keeps a ttg business alive that gives us a safe space to play.

>>716296851 (OP)
For a story of any kind it is a device to be used. If it's just being racist because the DM hates fantasy species X then that's just shit. If the player chose a particular race that is known to face trouble, then it's just bad storytelling if the DM will start steering away the topic at all cost. We had a shortlived game in Saltmarsh, a DnD campaign that takes place in a little fishing town known for being rather xenophobic and also okay with some minor crimes like smuggling. The DM had no one say anything mean about either the gnome PC or the goblin PC (who was also a pirate in a town that had a lot of bad blood with pirates in the region), also all the NPCs we came across and wanted to make easy money with by engaging in smuggling action wanted us to roll a dozen dice checks to earn some petty cash while also saying that they were extremely against the mere concept of smuggling.

I will never get over that fucking campaign and how stupid it really was, all thanks to the DM suddenly reversing basically everything about the setting.

>>716297105
>retard doesn't know Record of Lodoss War was originally from a series of tabletop RPG sessions

retard

>>716298608
I don't know what lardass war is at all.

>>716298404
>you are beset by a beast, it is a monster undeserving of sympathy.
Absolutely not. People have all kinds of reasons to attack you. What if someone is just mentally ill or is forced to kill you. then you don't necessarily want to kill them but are forced to in self defense.
>this individualhas been rendered an object to be killed out of sympathy.
No, you want to end the suffering of another person
>can't happen and has never happened historically
Can and did.

>>716298362
Where did I imply that this needs to be the case?
It's just that the statement
>you can't kill if you don't think it's an evil monster
is demonstrably false. This makes no claim about how monster encounters should be designed or how world building should be conducted.

>>716298347
>Your posts read like one of those awful customer service emails. What's next, you'll tell me to "do better" and call me a chud?
Your posts read like you're barely 20 and are trying out trolling for the first time on 4chan. You grin at your cracked phone screen (because you are a phone poster) while your greasy brown hands are twitching while your lowIQ raisin that you call a brain is thinking of a clever comeback that everyone her has read a million times before.

>>716298472
>Ants and Wolves are beasts that have no abillity to make peace besides avoid each other entirely.
Humans are exactly the same.

>>716296851 (OP)
Yes. Fuck off out of our hobby.

Why do they all look like this?

>>716298746
Not every human is devoid of empathy like you.

>>716298596
>storytelling
GMs thinking they're storytellers is the worst thing that ever happened to TTRPGS. Yes I read the elusive shift and know it happened in the 70s already, doesn't change my stance on it.

>>716298736
tldr keep seething.

>>716298629
Go look it up and enjoy some classic artisanal cape animation

I want a cute goblin slave wife.
Why are there no games that let me enslave a cute goblin and make her my wife?

>>716298864
>Arabs
Hell no. Hate those things.

>>716298815
Because it's one of the last bastions (although already crumbling) of true white nerd hobbyists.
Reading and understanding a TTRPG ruleset while having the imagination to process abstract scenarios is a giant barrier for browns and zoomgroids that grew up online. It also is just a generally slow paced hobby that is best played in person at an actual table so this filters even more people.

>>716298815
tabletop is a hobby dominated by white nerds

>>716298863
q.e.d.

>>716298940
>>716298948
Just because you're a nerd doesn't mean you have to look like that.

>>716296851 (OP)
>Is fantasy racism in RPGs really necessary?
Think of goblins as if they were straight white males and it'll help your brain cope with the fictional racism by using your own hatred of whites.

>>716298596
I recently played a campaign in which we were all told to play Grungs and were gently encouraged to uphold the caste system and be extremely hostile to all other races. I played as a green grung with terrible stats pretending to be a priest, and his frequent "private meditation" was actually just an excuse to use spells like Disguise Self to maintain his red skin.

>>716298916
How about the alpha and omega of elf girls, then?

>>716299002
>bonnie ruberg
kek every time.

>>716298994
I don't. But 3/6 people at my table do.
And it's fine because people like this are in a different mindset. They're usually not superficial, don't give a fuck about modern trends and are generally just way more fun to be around than judgemental social media addicts.

>>716298819
A brave stance if I ever heard one. But yeah I sort of agree with you, not every GM is capable of that, and sometimes it is fine to just go through the motions of a premade campaign so you don't have to even come up with story bits yourself.

Thick female goblins may sleep in my bed

>>716298818
"Empathetic" humans get conquered and die out. See the Romantic peoples. Literally the culture we define classical romance on.

>>716299079
If you think the opposite of storytelling is a premade campaign you did not get my point at all.
I homebrewed both my long running (2-5 years of bi-weekly sessions) campaigns and I don't consider myself a storyteller.
I am a world builder and encounter designer, but the story is told by everyone at the table. I don't railroad my players into what I want to happen because that's what faggot GMs do.

>>716296851 (OP)
>play as a goblin
>not expecting racism
play as a blue gnome or something if you can't handle mean words

>>716297236
She knows she is getting human dick tonight.

>>716299076
That is a modern trend. They spend more time, money and effort on styling their greasy long hair or beards than any other man without that sort of thing.

>>716299208
>That is a modern trend

>>716298815
see this? that's the signature smirk of a human being who's decent and is keenly aware of it

>>716299079
Either way, the story is what happens when you're all together at the table. It's an organic, emergent process. The GM is not the sole teller. If they concern themselves with pacing or character beats, then they're wasting time they could be spending on more useful shit.

>>716299173
Oh that is what you meant. Yeah that is a thing too that is a rather common pitfall with GMs where THEIR story will take precedence over what the group is putting together. Had a game like that before the Saltmarsh one, we did finish and I guess people did have fun, but also what we did as players had pretty much no fucking impact on the game world at all. Only the story did and until the story bits told by the GM that drove the plot forward one section at a time happened, things were rather static and we just had to deal with it.

>>716298815
he almost certainly mogs you.

>>716299208
>That is a modern trend.
not at all. it was always for geeks that didn't care much about fashion or sports.

>>716299279
Yes, zoomzoom, the 70s is still modern. The modern world began in 1945.
>>716299347
>fat
>beard
>balding
>wearing jeans and an undershirt
He doesn't mog anyone.

>>716299393
>Yes, zoomzoom, the 70s is still modern. The modern world began in 1945.
Are you retarded? In the 70s is when TTRGPs started.
Just prentending to be a moron now and playing semantics because you said something stupid?
ok nigger

>>716299459
People existed before the 1970s, I hope you realise. The world did not begin with trapdoors and dragons.

>>716299393
>Yes, zoomzoom, the 70s is still modern. The modern world began in 1945.
we're talking about Tabletop, retard

>>716299393
>the 70s is still modern
Behold, modern fashion!

>>716296851 (OP)
Yes. The average person in a fantasy setting is going to be getting their information regarding the area outside of their immediate surroundings from hearsay, stories and shit pulled directly out of an ass even more so than the modern person with the ability instantly communicate with nearly everyone on the planet. For them to not be racist would mean that they are failing at pattern recognition somehow, either they're non-sentient or they simply can't recognize that the thing they are interacting with is a Goblin/Dwarf/Human/Whatever.
Honestly even just being a human from a place that's a few days travel away should be regarded as shifty.
>>716297236
Deer caught in headlights, fully aware that the person behind the wheel browses /k/.
>>716299002
This is why anthropomorphic animal settings will take over. If everything is the default, then nothing can be used to actually say anything about the character, especially if you are forcefully porting modernity into the setting.
Anthroslop legitimately works as a default in the same way that a non-descript stick figure does.

>>716299496
Are you crazy?

>>716296851 (OP)
Should be a little of both desu
>You notice many eyes staring you suspiciously.
>Some tavern patrons place their wallets outside of reach.

>>716296851 (OP)
Depends on the setting.

>>716299523
I'm talking about the way people dress and act. The toys people play with are tertiary to that.
>>716299543
Are you brown? Only a brownoid would fail so spectacularly to observe their own culture abstractly in the context of a wider history.

>>716299323
Yeah that sucks.
I finished my campaigns and am now a player in two different games (players overlap, we have basically one group of guys that share the same timeslot at a friend's house and take turns every week).
On GM is the more hands off approach
>there is an overarching plot but generally he just presents us with problems and obstacles and sees how we react, which is more or less my own style.
the other one is railroading us hard, with a very focused story but he does a good job so I'm still very entertained. There's also no pretense of choice, some demon lady more or less forced us to sign a contract to help her or we fucking die so yeah.
His presentation and style overall is still very good so I accept it but I prefer the more freeform structure.

>>716299629
nobody is talking about wider history, only you, retard

>>716299496
You're just backpedalling now because when you posted this >>716299208 you meant something completely else with "modern" and are now trying to do damage control by digging a deeper hole with every post (it is not working btw)

>>716299564
>This is why anthropomorphic animal settings will take over.
>Implying they won't ban anthros either for promoting beastiality

>>716296851 (OP)
It's pretty hillarious.

I'm currently running a Touhou campaign where half the party consists of fairies. And it's really funny how nobody gives a fuck about the players.

>>716299496
Have you ever looked at the ridiculous beards people used to have before 1945?

>>716296851 (OP)
fuck i love goblin girls i'd put one of those green bitches in a wheelchair after i get done with her.

>>716296851 (OP)
The tavern keeper says "OOOUUUHHHHHGGHGHH SWEATY GOBLIN CUNNY SIT ON YM FACE OOIOUUUUHGGGGG I NEED TO DROWN IN GOBLIN CUNNY JUICE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, USE MY FACE AS A THRONE"

realistically you’d have separate taverns for the races. dwarves aren’t going to drink pisswater and elven wine is too high class for the lesser races.

>>716299686
I state that preening oneself in such a way is a modern trend, then you start crying about it not being so in dungeon dragons, as if that was what I initially claimed. You make no sense. Dungeon dragons can only exist in the context of an exterior culture.
>>716299693
What, specifically, do you think I meant? That terminology almost always applies to the post-war period, yet you believe I meant another time period? Perhaps the middle ages? Enlighten me.
>>716299785
You're thinking of the Victorian Era. Those began to die out very early in the 20th century and disappeared entirely with the Great War.

>>716299918
>That terminology almost always applies to the post-war period,
It does not, especially not in the context of this thread.

>>716299759
Nah, if anything anthros will be banned for being too white. There was a very funny article about how there are more kids' books with animal characters than brown people and that's rayciss because apparently only white kids are capable of enjoying that or something.

>>716299918
jesus christ what an insufferable anon

>>716299909
sure, but minorities with small populations are not going to have their own bars, so they go to drink in the more shady places or places where they might be welcome

>>716299949
Oh, you're a Goygle user. That explains the brazen display of ignorance. Never mind, I will leave you to your own bliss.

>>716298818
Correct. There are indeed very many dead humans who made the mistake of trying to be empathetic.

>>716299909
>realistically you’d have separate taverns for the races. dwarves aren’t going to drink pisswater and elven wine is too high class for the lesser races.
Realistically taverns don't make much sense as they're presented in fantasy settings so don't open that can of worms.
Economically you'd also not even be able to sustain a race-specific tavern in most places depending on how mixed the populations are. Usually humans are extremely numerous while dwarves keep to themselves in their mountainhomes and elves have low birth rates and also don't bother leaving their forest sanctuaries much.
Some random piss-village won't have 3+ taverns then to accomodate all the fantasy races. Maybe the human kingdom's capital if there's a lot of different races might have some race specific ones.

>>716300030
>defeated male leaves when confronted with a source
every time.
Ok nigger, your faux pedantry was boring anyway. just take the L.

>>716300191
>Goygle
>Webster
You really are one of those "special" kids. I suppose you would also start arrogantly kvetching if someone used the term "modern medicine" or "modern English", as they don't relate to the 2010s or whatever arbitrary year you have mentally assigned to the word "modern".

>>716300098
In a city you'd have to segregate them due to how many people end up dying dwarf mead.

>>716300298
Embarrassing post. Rethink your life.

>>716300406
Looks like I cornered you with that one and you have no response. Another L for you, I'm afraid.

>>716296851 (OP)
Wouldn't having a bed that the goblin has to sleep in be more discriminatory than just saying
>"Yeah go sleep I don't give a shit."

>>716300298
Huh, what happened to
>Never mind, I will leave you to your own bliss.
Low willpower nigger can't even take the L.
You just had to reply and say something stupid again.
Post a definition and then make an argument for why you would use that defintion in the context of the appearance of "Modern table top role playing nerds".
You can't that's why you lost and are grasping at straws here.

>>716300514
I just know he's trying to think of a ""clever"" retort again. He will reply, again, he just has to.

>>716296851 (OP)
Why would they have goblin sized beds? can't goblins just use normal beds?

>>716300618
shortstacks can use my cock as a bed and its free of charge.

>>716300514
Oh, now you're begging me to stop? That's a tad pathetic, I must say. Even your definition, despite being from a hack like Webster, is sufficient at proving my point. Modern, in this instance, refers to the current culture, and ours is still decidedly post-war.

>>716299393
Modernity started sometime between the 1890s and WW1, actually. You're thinking of the postmodern world. Depending on who you ask, postmodernity was also phased out circa 2010.

>>716300609
aaaand there it is
>>716300665

And now explain why you would in a discussion about role playing games that were invented in the 1970s use "post-war" as a time marker when everything relating to this hobby is modern.

>>716300739
*is modern only by your retarded definition that's not even historically correct, of course.

>>716300675
No, you're confused. You're using a definition of modern that is common among academics in art and philosophy. It is not what is being discussed here, as it is used to differentiate between specific movements within a sub-culture. This is an entirely different discussion.
>>716300739
Why would the way people act and dress need to be defined by one specific kind of toy?

>>716298426
Yeah, tons of people do exactly that. Models and maps etc are optional in most trpgs including the most famous one, Dungeons and Dragons.

>>716300831
Answer the question.
No dodging now buddy.

>>716297429
Foreigners ruined this website

>>716300831
And here he is, pressed with his back against the wall. No way out now.
Now the deflections begin, he is looking for escape routes now.

>>716300867
You never asked a question. You just made a retarded statement about something you don't understand.
>>716300874
Japanese website, stolen by a Jewish American, then bought by a Jap.

>>716296851 (OP)
Bottom gamemasters are reason why wheelchair characters exist

>>716300939
Answer the question.

>>716296937
my vidya circle includes a group of people who run their "campaigns" every weekend. even when we're playing vidya they're constantly making in-jokes and references to their DnD game and characters as if it's another vidya IP we've played (like how would X react in this situation)
it's unbelievably cringe as hell from an external point of view

>>716300952
>You never asked a question.
I asked a question here:
>>716300739
>And now explain why you would in a discussion about role playing games that were invented in the 1970s use "post-war" as a time marker when everything relating to this hobby is modern.
Or are you going to semantics again because it's not phrased as a question?
Ok, here:
why would you in a discussion about role playing games that were invented in the 1970s use "post-war" as a time marker when everything relating to this hobby is "modern" by your definition?

>>716296851 (OP)
Racism is always necessary.

>>716298629
total zoomer death

>>716301025
It's not a question, so why did you call it one?
>why would you in a discussion about role playing games that were invented in the 1970s use "post-war" as a time marker when everything relating to this hobby is "modern" by your definition?
As I already explained, the toys are tertiary to the discussion of culture that I was engaging in. It is not necessary that all terms used in a discussion involving a toy relate to said toy.

>>716298128
I feel like the Smash Bros-playing weeb nigga community would be heavy into TTRPGs, you just need to make it samurai-themed

>>716300831
>Why would the way people act and dress need to be defined by one specific kind of toy?
It's not a specific kind of toy. It's a game. Toys are not games, Mr. wannabe pedant.
TTRPGs are a sprawling hobby with a shared culture and many subculture that attract certain personality types and people with certain backgrounds and cultures.
Mostly the white, nerdy, autistic type who don't give a shit about their outer appearance.
Your claim was that only modern TTRPG players looked like this, which was promptly proven wrong. The word "modern" in this context can only refer to recent times (10-20) years and not "post war" times because TTRPGs did not exist before the 70s.

You then tried to derail the discussion by pretending otherwise. D&D nerds in the 70s were fat greasy neckberads, just like they are now. For some reason you clained otherwise and you only have yourself to blame.

>>716301118
>are tertiary to the discussion of culture that I was engaging in.
What are your posts prior to >>716299208
ITT where you discuss culture?

>>716301204
They don't have the patience. Those people have ADHD.

when I play an orc I want to channel my inner nigger and cleave hummie skulls just because I can. It doesnt feel nearly as gratifying when they are all tolerant and progressive californian leftist stand ins

>>716301227
>It's not a specific kind of toy.
It is a toy. Stop being silly. It's something you play with for entertainment, it is a toy.
>he word "modern" in this context can only refer to recent times (10-20) years and not "post war" times because TTRPGs did not exist before the 70s.
On what basis do you make this claim? Modern means post-war when pertaining to culture, that doesn't change based on what is being discussed.
>>716301321
Again, you're missing the point. It wouldn't matter if I had made 1 or 1 million posts prior to that, the point is that definitions of the wider culture, rather than a sub-culture, do not change based on the topic.

>>716300556
Why should I care what some Matt Mercer wannabee called Captain Play-doh has to say?

>>716301457
>It is a toy. Stop being silly. It's something you play with for entertainment, it is a toy.
You should read up on the difference between game and toy.
Words have meaning you only seem to selectively double down on
>On what basis do you make this claim?
Because what you said would otherwise make no sense in the context of the posts. This is about the appearance of TTRPG players.
>Modern means post-war when pertaining to culture
That is also false
>wouldn't matter if I had made 1 or 1 million posts prior to that, the point is that definitions of the wider culture, rather than a sub-culture, do not change based on the topic
It does.
Context matters.
In the context of a game/hobby that existed since 1970s and talking about the demogrpahics of those who play TTRPGs modern does not refer to "post war" times. It makes no sense in this context.

>>716301675
stop engaging with him, he's just a retard.

>>716301758
No, I wanna see how deep he can dig himself into this.

>>716296851 (OP)
Yes, how else would you know what a slave in that world is worth?

>>716301675
>You should read up on the difference between game and toy.
No, it is a toy. You're just being prissy now.
>Because what you said would otherwise make no sense in the context of the posts. This is about the appearance of TTRPG players.
It's about the appearance of the kinds of people who play with these toys, they exist in a wider culture than the toys they play with.
>That is also false
It is true.
>It does.
It does not.
>In the context of a game/hobby that existed since 1970s and talking about the demogrpahics of those who play TTRPGs modern does not refer to "post war" times. It makes no sense in this context.
Wrong. You're mistaking a sub-culture for the wider culture again. I am not referring to the demographics of people who play with these toys and never have, only you are assuming that their affiliation with such toys is their primary characteristic. Rather, they exist inside a wider culture that defines their attitudes and behaviours to a far greater degree than this sub-culture, which is tertiary to the discussion.

>>716298629
All Isekai shows now are basically just Dragon Warrior/Final Fantasy/Wizardry which is based on D&D unless they follow a more modern JRPG or MMORPG then its a bit different.

>>716296937
no. these other anons are trying to trick you.

>>716301952
But doesn't DD just plagirise everything from Tolkien?

>>716301968
Its like playing Zork with friends just talking shit through, rolling dice to resolve combat, stealth and some action sequences and recording what happens. It can be fun and no more expensive than $50 to start with if you stick with indie publishers because nu-slop turned gay af.

>>716301903
Ignore him, anon. He has never read Derrida and wouldn't understand it if he did. He thinks culture exists in a vacuum of his own experiences, hence the starting point being 2010.

>>716301009
That group of people are closer friends than you'll ever have in your entire life. You are just allowed to join their vidya as filler because you are slightly more trustworthy than randos. You're getting ghosted the second they find an extra person for their DnD campaigns.

>>716302094
You sound like a woman.

>>716301903
>No, it is a toy. You're just being prissy now.
Tell me your definiton of toy. And your definiton of game. Then tell me what you think TTRPGs are and why they would fit one defintion and not the other.
>It's about the appearance of the kinds of people who play with these toys, they exist in a wider culture than the toys they play with.
You can narrow it down. Demographics and interests matter.
You should not be so vague then.
>It is true.
It is not. You will have to provide a definition otherwise. I provided one which you just dismissed. Otherwise you're just using words differently than everyone else.
>It does not.
Yes it does. Otherwise you're just talking past everyone else. This is a very specific discussion about specific people during way more specific time-period than "post war".
You also gave no mention that you were talking about broader culture initially so you failed to specifiy what definition of "modern" (that you still fail to deliver a source for btw) you used and why.
>Wrong. You're mistaking a sub-culture for the wider culture again. I am not referring to the demographics of people who play with these toys and never have, only you are assuming that their affiliation with such toys is their primary characteristic. Rather, they exist inside a wider culture that defines their attitudes and behaviours to a far greater degree than this sub-culture, which is tertiary to the discussion.
By that logic everyone post war would look and dress the same which is not the case.

>>716302025
and tolkien plagiarize ancient fairytales and poetry

>>716302025
> Appendix N.
Tolkien was an afterthought because Gygax's group liked Tolkien at the time and they were doing bunch of fantasy wargaming in Middle Earth setting in the 70s. Gygax enjoyed pulp fantasy and more weird fiction like Jack Vance's Dying Earth (Vancian Magic, you got limited spells you can cast, you forget your prepared spell after casting etc), Adventure stories like Conan the barbarian and sci-fi things like Buck Rogers, John Carter of Mars type of stories as well as lovecraft and myths of all sorts. Arthurian legends and Dunsany's novels also play a lot into Gygax's works in D&D. You don't know shit Newfag.

>>716302025
Pretty much just superficially and when it comes to races. The court case between TSR and Tolkien Estate over naming and presenting fantasy races is actually the precedent where the court dictated that Tolkien styled "orc" and "elf" are free game, but "hobbit" and "balrog" are copyrighted exclusive property of the Tolkien estate.
That being said the general vibes and adventures of early D&D rip off pulpy sword & sorcery much more than they rip off Tolkien.

>>716302084
No one read Derrida, bro. I'm French and I never heard of him. Where do you people even get your "academics" lmao

>>716296851 (OP)
I want a witcher game but you play as a goblin and everyone hates you

>>716302137
I'm not the one shitting on men creating things, you tiktok scrolling whore.

>>716302084
Yeah, you're right. Zoomers are insufferable. Look at this one, he's actually proud to be retarded. >>716302260

>>716296937
It's a tranny thing, unsurprisingly. A normal person wouldn't know about it.

>>716302239
The funny thing is that Tunnels & Trolls 2nd Oldest RPG happened to keep using Hobbit after the lawsuit... It used to be a bit more popular in Japan though D&D always had a following. Currently Call of Cthulhu is the most popular in Japan regarding Tabletalk RPGs.

>>716296937
pocket protectors and asthma are also real

>>716296851 (OP)
Why would the Goblin need a small bed? Does the tavern keeper not know she's there to FUCK human men and warm their beds?!

>>716302237
But all of those pulp fantasy books were just regurgitating Tolkien in a way to appeal to kids and Americans. That's why they all use the same middle earth setting with all the same races and all the same archetypes. These things weren't in Beowulf or English folklore in the same form. Tolkien invented those interpretations of orcs, elves, fae, tree spirits and goblins and they've been repeated verbatim in fantasy literature ever since, so much so that they are mere simulacrum.

>>716296937
This site is 18+ only, go back to Roblox kiddo

>>716296937
Only trannies really care about it. It's similar to speedrunning.

Hahah now he has to juggle his multiple troll personas

>>716302490
Those pulp stories were written beyond Tolkien even came to the scene you fuckwad other than Jack Vance etc. You are just being a retarded zoomer beyond hope go b2Rdt.

>>716302490
Read more, shut your mouth more.

>>716302618
>Those pulp stories were written beyond Tolkien?
How far beyond him?

>>716297836
Nigga this isn't discord with your buddies?? No one speaks like that on an image board. Throw that NPC language out of the window here

>>716302743
>random list of mostly rubbish
This is your brain on HRT.

>>716299393
holy retard

>>716302490
Conan the Barbarian and Barsoom predate LotR by decades.

>>716302025
D&D is sword & sorcery more than anything else (or pulp fantasy, the genres are overlapping). D&D originally had very, very, very few Tolkien elements, most predominantly just dwarves and elves as classes, but many, many, many sword & sorcery inspirations.

It took something like 15 years for a D&D setting inspired by Tolkien to emerge (the Forgotten Realms). Interestingly, the Forgotten Realms went to be the most successful D&D setting as a result.

An interesting consequence of early D&D inspirations is that you are as likely as not to see aliens, spaceships, or lightsabers (though never strictly called that) inside your early scenario, as it's a common pulp fiction trope. Which is why Might and Magic had aliens, why Wizardry had aliens, etc.

>>716302329
I'm older and more educated than you kek but keep namedropping your nobodies if it helps you cope

>>716296937
yeah, they're actually pretty popular

>>716296851 (OP)
nu-D&D leftists think every small town medieval tavern was like one of their communes and safe spaces for some reason.

If races are to have specific cultures and traditions, which is essentially what makes them unique as a race, there needs to be prejudice.

>>716296851 (OP)
It has a place, but if you're going to do it, you should also have fantasy fetishism.
Some people should see a goblin girl and do the eyes popping out train whistle thing.

>>716297429
I'm a post-Commie Eastern Yuro and the late '90s-early '00s had an RPG renaissance here, tons of rulebooks got translated.

>>716296851 (OP)
why would I play a goblin if i didn't want to play an angry little fucker in a cave murdering people and raping their women and keeping them inside my cave to breed the next generation of angry fucker

if i wanted to play someone peaceful and high minded and wise i'd play an elf

>>716303726
Same, but honestly all I remember was me and my friends doing very basic ones in school/kindergarten, but it was "i have swordproof shirt" and "but i have anti-swordproof shirt sword" type shit.

>>716303726
>>716303926
You two might enjoy pic related, literally made with that sort of mind set that its easy enough to run even when drunk. Seems like fun.

>>716296851 (OP)
When is that ever relevant gameplay-wise? Your average RPG lets you assemble a party of misfits without any issues apart maybe some flavor text. At best you get karma or alignment systems that limit your recruitment options, but that a little different from racism. I think tardwrangling a bunch of assholes into getting along, or extorting cooperation from minority partymates would be interesting mechanics.