Thread 716381750

Other than the companions, their mission, and removing the mako, everything about the game is a downgrade. The story is unironically retarded, the RPG elements are neutered, and even the upgrades feel lack luster
It honestly should've just been a 4 hour long expansion where you bond with your team, like a ME1.5, because that one is carrying this disappointment like Atlas

>>716381750 (OP)
Mass Effect died right after the first game and 3 was the final nail in the coffin. The Citadel DLC was fun tho

Mako was cool THOUGH, yes Todd is unironically right that space games need a bit of "emptiness" to sell the feeling

>>716381843
Todd stop browsing /v/ and get back to work

>>716381750 (OP)
the running and shooting and stuff is better than me1, although it's still not very good in me2
otherwise yeah, me1 is better in practically every way that matters
the suicide mission is absolutely fantastic though, a pity it came in the middle of the series
me1 was carried pretty hard by its setting and story though, it was at its peak on the first playthrough, and appears worse off because the comparison to the first time is so rough, me2 doesnt have such a conspicuous dropoff for later playthroughs imo, but it was never as good as me1 was to begin with

australian women are hot

>>716384369
>Kylie Minogue
>Yvonne Strahovski
>Naomi Watts
>Nicole Kidman
>Margot Robbie
>Virginia Hey
>etc.
Obviously not all Australian women look like that, but it is a solid case to be made, for sure.

>>716381750 (OP)
>if you remove everything that makes ME2 the best ME game ever, the game sucks!
Ok nigga
Are all me1niggers this dumb?

>>716381750 (OP)
Counter-point
It has the most amount of Yvonne Strahovski, therefore it is the best ME.
Every other ME is lesser without her.

>>716385194
The anti-ME2 threads have been going off for over a year now. It's just one autist replying to himself, though. Just try to trigger him to the point he loses it, then laugh and move on.

Yvonne or Miranda, /v/?
Which one's better?

I just finished replaying it, the only thing that truly sucks about 2 is that all the loyalty missions are quite short and uncomplicated compared to a main ME1 planet. There's nothing in the game comparable to transitioning through all the stages of a main mission in the first one. Even though plebs bitch about the Mako, it was really integral to making the main missions feel like a significant undertaking, because it put a lot of space between starting hub areas and the thing was causing the trouble on the planet. It becomes especially evident when playing some of the DLC missions which are actually longer and more fleshed out.

>>716385273
This is the first ME2 thread I've ever made. Just because you can't handle criticism doesn't mean you need to make up a headcanon in your head

ME2 has the best dialog and banter between characters in any game and thats worth more than whatever childish nitpicks you have.

>>716385742
>>This is the first ME2 thread I've ever made
Sure it is.

>>716381750 (OP)
>RPG elements are neutered
kek, not relative to the first game. That game has no RPG elements. It's all fluff. Go ahead and analyze the game and you'll see. Do note that this requires an IQ above 85 to do, though.

>>716385870
While I do think ME2 has legitimate issues, as pretty much every game does, it still is the best of the trilogy.
Need I remind everyone what 2012's most hated game was?
https://2012.vidyagaemawards.com/winners
ME2 reigns king and supreme above all Mass Effects.

>>716385923
Dumbdumb thinks just because there are less points to distribute, its less than what it once was.

>>716381750 (OP)
the plot is immensely, phenomenally retarded and lessens the enjoyment of an otherwise decent shooter

Shepard died and came back as space jesus - why? so fucking horrendous, removes all stakes, makes no sense whatsoever

Ship gets destroyed and rebuilt in a glorified cutscene - why? WHY? where is the immersion you cunts

You are now working for the secondary antagonist of the first game although you moved down hundreds of them - ewww fuck I can't even

And although the main plot starts out nice with a bit of a mystery it devolves into 'shoot the baby' which is also immensely retarded

All of these writers would have been laughed out of any Star Trek or Babylon 5 writing rooms as talentless hacks

>>716386007
ME3's hate is unwarranted and I do not respect anyone who genuinely thinks it is a bad game, especially if they have "muh ending" complaints.

>>716385881
Goddamn.
Is it possible to go back to other women after Miranda? I don't think I could.

>>716386105
Man, you sound like a massive cock sucking dullard.

>>716386162
>>ME3's hate is unwarranted

>>716386105
the reapers are the borg tho

>>716381750 (OP)
>companions, their mission, and removing the mako
Those were also downgrades thougheverbeit

>>716386224
Terrific counter argument, knob gobbler.

This is now a Miri thread.

ME1 fucking sucked ass anyway. It's crazy seeing people crying about which game ruined their homo star trek with no choices and shit combat series.

>>716386379
>ME thread turns to Miri thread
>Thread sees 103232% improvement

>>716386105
Yeah, I play ME2 for the lore and characters. The plot never made sense, it's like they didn't know what to do inbetween the reaper apocalypse. And the most plot-advancing content was a fucking DLC that I didn't even know existed for years

>>716386489
Hmmm, no can't post that, that's too risque.
This will have to do.

>>716386551
The ones that do a better Yvonne than Bioware are real bangers.

>Removing the Mako
>Good

KYS redditor

>>716386162
>ME3's hate is unwarranted

>>716386617
I have some, but they're from years ago. I'll have a hard time finding them.

>>716382070
>the suicide mission is absolutely fantastic though, a pity it came in the middle of the series
Based off left over code and assets it's very clear they were going to do something similar (or at the very least like Dragon Age Origins where you actually had the allies you gathered throughout the story show up and help) in ME3 but ran out of time

>>716386787
Hmm, I'll probably have an easier job searching by name.

>>716386836
Sorry I took so long.
Had to, uh ... ran into some, uh ... scientific material, so I had to do some research.

ME2 gave us everything we wanted.

>>716386105
>Shepard died and came back as space jesus - why?
The reapers prioritized him after his role in blocking their invasion. That's actually a sensible development.
>You are now working for the secondary antagonist of the first game although you moved down hundreds of them
The reapers prioritized humanity after their role in blocking their invasion, and the group from the first game was presented as a pro-human faction, so they're not a bad pick to step up to the plate. It also follows from the first game that the rest of the galaxy didn't trust humanity's rapid progress and might be reticent to help.

I don't love the plot, mainly because it's threadbare and relies on ambush missions, but there's some reasonable direction to it. I liked the collectors being Prothean versions of the Keepers, it's mostly their generic insect aesthetic that ruined the feel and mood of the main story a lot.

>>716387087
Man, the amount of stuff I can't post.

>>716387125
I often think about starting an /aco/ thread, but there's always that one anon that goes in and posts nothing but femshep, so I make the rule of no femshep, and then he just goes on posting futa, or futa femshep.

>>716387281
And like the futa femshep stuff are 90% dick and 10% background, so you've got this picture that basically all fucking dick.

>>716387330
So, in my humble opinion, femshep posters get the rope.

>>716387372
Either that, or a special wood chipper reservation.

>>716387432
Anyway, feel free to post whatever you want. Don't mind my autism.

>>716386105
>Shepard died and came back as space jesus - why?
The worst thing about this is how quickly it's over with.
>I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite store on the Citadel :DDD
Imagine if you spent the entire game as officially dead and off the books, no contact with the Alliance, wearing full armor disguise in places like the Citadel, in a completely different ship. It would make moments where you run into people from the first game so much more interesting and really drive home the secret merc operation you're on. But instead you're given the Normandy again, with half of the same people, except your UI is orange instead of blue.

>>716387472
I take it back, anything is better than the ME2 shitting autist.
Without ME2, ME isn't a franchise. It's simple as that.

>>716387658
Am I nuts for thinking Samara looks best with her suit on? That red on blue contrast is just mwah!

>>716387479
What would be the reason Shepard would choose to hide though? If he was taking the reaper threat seriously he would try and get help first.

>>716387715
She can crush my windpipe anytime.

>>716387754
I mean, yeah, obviously not. Crushed windpipes are bad. But you get what I am saying, right?

>>716381750 (OP)
It's Seven Samurai in space. If you're too low IQ to appreciate this type of character driven game, that's on you

I don't get how Cerberus went from some meme black ops alliance unit that went awol to some super-mega entity that had enough backing to revive Shepard and then later became the main antagonist in ME3.

Asari are not attractive.

>>716387873
Seven Samurai was not 90% recruitment missions the way ME2 is.

>>716381750 (OP)
most people like Bioware games for the companions.
ME2 focuses on companions above all else and the result is the most acclaimed Bioware game of all time.
The people who cared about the story, worldbuilding or RPG elements have always been a minority.
it's a lot like Skyrim in that regard. another game where the devs focused on their main strengths to the exclusion of almost all else, which became their magnum opus in public eyes because of how well it appealed to the masses.

>>716387728
A requirement from the Illusive Man or if word got out that Shepard was working for Cerberus he'd be considered a rogue specter and treated as a criminal by the Alliance. There's a lot of room to work with here. Some people could know and trust Shepard while keeping it a secret and Shepard could have some contacts and ties to do things safely in Alliance space.

>>716381750 (OP)
Removing the mako is a downgrade. Whatever you might've felt about the mako missions it helped sell the distance and real tangibility of the world. It was crucial for the roleplaying aspect of the game

>>716387838
BTW, who would you guys cast as Samara in a hypothetical ME movie/TV show?
My top pick would be Robin Wright 10-15 years ago. Obviously, she's a bit too old for that now.

>>716388067
Every time Femshep is absent from an image post, an angel gets its wings. Help Heaven fight, don't post Femshep.

>>716388179
Still a Miri thread, btw.

>>716388004
Illusive Man doesn't have anything over Shepard to keep him on the leash though. If Shepard wanted to leave and get help he would, and it would probably be the first thing he would do, even if it was just the Alliance/Udina for renegades of the first game. Even if TIM put some kind of exploding chip in Shepard, I doubt the latter would allow himself to be blackmailed in to working for a group he didn't support. It makes more sense if he's beguiled into it by circumstance and remains in a position where he believes he's still largely in control.

>>716385194
The companions are written more redditly in me2, that's why you like them more.

There's a lot more fanservice in 2 as well.

>>716385148
They butchered her face so hard when making Miranda it's criminal

>>716381750 (OP)
The MAKO was the shit you worthless pleb.

God damnit I was so immersed into this game when it first came out. It's almost haunting.

The Mako really added a lot to ME1. All the best planets -Virmire, Feros, Noveria- have really neat Mako sequences to give a sense of space and scale.

>>716386062
There's no option to turn your sniper into a rail gun with HE rounds to launch enemies into orbit, neither can you add AI Hacking to an Infiltrator to take advantage of its passive to reduce tech cooldowns nor can you spam biotics to lock down rooms because of ME2's global cooldowns. You may like ME2's streamlined version more, but to say it isn't less of an RPG is blatantly false.

>>716381843
You can have a bit of emptiness to sell the remoteness of the planet you are on, but you gotta have a vehicle to accompany that design choice. I wonder if Starfield's reception might have been improved if it had released with the space buggy they've recently patched into it.

Thoughts on the Hammerhead?

>>716389023
I don't fault Bioware for getting rid of them but exploring uncharted worlds in the Mako in 1 was so peak. In hindsight it's a pointless thing and probably took months and thousands of hours of manpower to make but they did it anyways and it was so much fun for the few autists like me who enjoy that kind of stuff.

>that world where you find a floating metal sphere that gives you the memories of a caveman
Such a shame it was only text

>>716389420
Made of tissue paper

>>716381750 (OP)
I unironically liked the Mako, it gave areas a sense of scale that is pretty non-existent in ME2. I know other anons already stated as much, but it's true.

>>716386105
Being aware, but only very vaguely of ME general plot. I was unironically assuming that Shepard was going to die in a heroic sacrifice to stop the reapers at the end of ME1 and that he would get resurrected at the very start of ME2 for "well this game was successful, let's make a sequel to it" reasons like Zero from Mega Man. It felt bizarre to me that what actually happens is that he gets killed off and revived in the span of like 5 minutes from the get-go of ME2.

>>716389178
Yeah weapon modification was cool. Ludo stuff like ammo selection having immediate impact on the death of your enemies with clear visual stimuli is all missing as well.
Ammo type in 2 is just another power. Its gay.

>>716389178
>>716389931
Let's also not forget being able to spec entire gear loadouts to better counter specific enemy types or hyper specific spells like the one paralyze spell that only works on organics and basically only is used on krogan. Stuff like that shows RPG roots.

>>716381750 (OP)
>The story is unironically retarded, the RPG elements are neutered, and even the upgrades feel lack luster
Tell me how that wasn't true for me1, I'd love to hear it.

>>716386105
>Star Trek
>Babylon 5

Holy mother of reddit...

It's an entire game about getting your team together. It's fucking stupid

>>716387968
90% of M2 is not recruitment. It's also bantering and loyalty missions. The actual battle is just a small portion of it, just like Seven Samurai

>>716390157
Already went over it. There's zero customization in gear, the builds you can make are lackluster. Characters can't specialize into anything using points, the guns are the same whether a soldier or engineer uses them. No ammo to directly put into a gun.

Removal of all the large hub areas where you go around and talk to people to figure stuff out. They're still there but radically streamlined and barebones. There's essentially only one or two optional npcs to talk to, compared to the dozens and dozens of npcs and "useless" sidetracks extant in me1.

>>716390157
Okay. That wasn't true for ME1.
You're welcome.

the only redeeming part of the game was sacrificing jack the insubordinate lesbian

>>716381750 (OP)
I agree. It's praised by faggots wh ostarted playing 2 because 1 was popular, and it was their first ME. Or by people who praise budget over... the rest.

>>716385405
Yvonne.
Miranda is a grotesque scanface

>>716389458
>probably took months and thousands of hours of manpower to make
The side worlds were thrown together with procedural generation because Bioware marketed the game as having dozens of planets to explore with no plan of how to do that. I'm surprised to hear these days that people were amazed with them, I remember the reviewers being unimpressed with them, and rightly so, seeing that it was a huge step down from the vague promises of the demos. ME was basically No Man's Sky of the 2000s, it just wasn't a big deal then because the main part was still a solid Bioware RPG.

>>716390892
>useless shit that was by necessity streamlined in me1 to get to the real shit faster
Yeah I know you hate good storytelling.

>>716386007
>it still is the best of the trilogy.
nope

>>716381750 (OP)
The more I replay the trilogy, the less I like this game. Definitely the weakest one by far.

>>716389420
garbagio

>>716391159
cuz you know how worthless and pointless it all is. First time through ME2, it's wonderful and you are swept away by everything that's going on, but 2nd playthrough, you know it's all just a side-quest basically.

>>716387873
>>716387968
ME2 is a heist movie in space.

>>716390902
>the builds you can make are lackluster
The "build" variety in ME1 is pathetic as only the adept does something different than other classes.
>Removal of all the large hub areas where you go around and talk to
You don't "talk to" characters in ME1, you get talked at. For all its "world building" wankery me1 gets it's mostly the codex + tali and liara talking at shepert.

ME2 is the only good one.

>>716391064
>Muh story

let me guess yo uwere also pissed at the M3 ending because all you cared about was the Reapers autism instead of the galaxy politics, intercultural relations and slice of life kino and exploration

>>716391305
>>716391159
The game wastes your time in endless cutscenes and never really opens up until after recruiting mordin and Garrus.

That's a very long time on a replay. You're just forced to play there's tired and very slow missions where you can't even speed things up by playing aggressively, because me2 combat system utterly forces a static defense using chest high walls and needlessly limits cooldowns to slow down combat even further.

Shielded enemies also cockblocks play. The combat is more laborious, you need to work very very hard to peel off different color armor types before your spells do anything as a biotic.

The game feel is off due to this. There's also zero rp opportunities. You are a merc for cerberus. Shepard is suddenly the best guy ever lived but he also needs to kowtow to IM and Miranda and take their word for everything. Let's also not forget having to respect that gay ass asari Aria (a more jerked off mob boss is hard to find). My shepard would've killed her without much thought in me1. Can't do that in 2 though, because she has a ~Hollywood Actor~ voicing her.

Its bad rp. Its terrible

>>716391494
Who wasn't pissed at the ME3 ending? You'd have to be an absolute retard to enjoy it.

>ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
>dies offscreen
What did Harbinger mean by this?

>>716391694
dying off screen was so shit. All that fucking taunting through out the game and we don't even get to put a bullet in that mother fucker ourselves.

>>716391629
BioWare is literally the "turn your brain off" of CRPGs. Even more so than Bethesda. You would have to be an absolute retard to think they would be able to write anything resembling a good ending. They wrote themselves into a corner with Mass Effect 1. Best possible option they had, which they didn't pick, was unironically to not do anything with the Reapers again. Shepard stops them in ME1. Now on to other adventures.

>>716391449
You can choose guns, raw stats, "charisma" points or spells. Spells you pick can be powerful offensive tools or powerful defensive tools. Different from me2 is that all main spells in me1 feel impactful. Sabotage, throw, singularity, fitness, adrenaline rush all are powerful right from the beginning, and decide fights.
Me2 spells simply don't do enough. The first incinerate spell doesn't even go through regular mook armor. You spend a lot of time shooting and reloading your guns.
This is wasting the player's time. You don't feel powerful at all.

The interplay between cooldown spells and adrenaline rush is also a typical rpg thing which is missing. Stuff like that.
>>716391494
Me2 doesn't have a story conducive to roleplay. You are railroaded from the start and it never lets go.

Eden prime at least had the opportunity to simply ignore the mission and talk to different types of peasant that had different issues with the whole invasion by the start. You could gain different perspectives and gain something for doing so. Things like that are omitted in 2, in favor of forcing a half baked cerberus plot (that is often anathema to many shepard's background story and ideals) that the writer's were enamored with.

A middle installment in a trilogy that utterly aborts prior storylines to focus on what is ostensibly a side plot that has no bearing on the main themes and story, and no real stakes is gay. And not set up at all.

The stakes are so low, the casualties truly minuscule compared to me1 that you are kind of taken out of the game.
The story can be solved by a single Alliance heavy cruiser ambushing the collectors in space and blowing them up.

There's no actual need for shepard to do the whole game.

>>716391854
>ending literally all about taking the fight to the reapers
>yeah let's just do something completely different lmao
Goddamn you're a retard.

You comprain about grorious BioWare?
> DING DONG BANNU

>>716391910
Nah you are.

>>716391574
>Shepard is suddenly the best guy ever lived but he also needs to kowtow to IM and Miranda and take their word for everything
This really pissed me off because to me it immediately signaled that Bioware forgot what it was doing.

In the original game Shepard was a Spectre which meant that he technically was working under Citadel leadership but he was mostly free to do whatever the fuck he wants to, which is good because that's what you want your main character to have. Freedom to take actions, because actions reveal character. An MC that just does what everyone tells him to is boring. ME1 understood this perfectly, because even though the story is linear and you don't get any choices to derail the narrative, characters still acted like Shepard was in charge. If you ask Anderson in the beginning what to do he says "I dunno Shepard, you don't answer to me anymore". The Alliance didn't tell you what to do, they gave you tips and if you told them you were on it they backed off and said they were only suggestions.

In ME2 and 3 Shepard mostly just follows what other people tell him to. Shepard, go here and shoot a bunch of shit until a cutscene happens. It's boring and contradictory, because people act like you're this super famous badass yet nobody trusts you to come up with a plan by yourself. The moment someone in ME3 asked Shepard if Cerberus didn't have any bases we could attack, my brain melted on the fucking spot. It's terrible writing.

>>716391854
>>716391910
All they had to do was have shepard open up a new relay to unearth more secrets about the protheans.

He would have to use his one in a trillion ability to understand prothean to open up their old tombs and to delve into the unknown (in a small team of three) to find enough info to stop the reapers

>>716391896
>This is wasting the player's time. You don't feel powerful at all.
A vanguard charging for a point blank shotgun headshot in me2 feels more powerful than anything vanguard in me1 since it's just another hybrid class with nothing unique about it.

>>716391910
There's a lot of retards in these threads who still argue ME2 is the best because it focused the least on the Reapers, and go on about how much they hate the Reapers. You'd figure if they hate the central plot of the trilogy that much they ought to just play another fucking game but ME2 fans are retarded like that.

>>716391969
Gosh, imagine that, in ME1 Shepard said he was gonna find a way to stop the reapers and we could've had a second game where he finds a way to stop the reapers by travelling through uncharted space and finding more ruins where he could discover some super ancient secrets and then in the third game he stops the fucking reapers. It almost sounds like a finished story.

>>716391969
>>716392103
Do you retarded retards seriously believe any of the Mass Effect writers, even your beloved Drew Karpyshyn, would be competent enough to write anything good based on that? Best he could probably do was they find a super weapon which they then build and destroy the rea-- oh right.
BioWare sucks. They've always sucked. If you liked Mass Effect 1, good for you, but it was fucking terrible and nothing about it was written well.

>>716391980
Most enemies just kill you. You can't do that on insanity until there's one enemy left.
All the collector platforms stop charge play. Big enemies can't be charged.
Your offensive power play is limited because there's no throwing or lifting armored enemies.

Me1 vanguard had more upfront power potential with adrenaline rush resetting cooldowns. It was more powerful in more situations. Me2 vanguard unironically feels weaker because you can't charge certain enemies without instantly dying.

>>716392129
>Do you retarded retards seriously believe any of the Mass Effect writers, even your beloved Drew Karpyshyn, would be competent enough to write anything good based on that?
Yes.

>>716392189
Well, then you are a retard.

>>716392217
Boy you changed my mind.

>>716391980
Trying out a vanguard in me2 right now and it feels like a cbt playthrough at least early game. You're super squishy, deal no damage and the charge is so gimmicky when it comes to working or not. Is there some tech I'm missing?

>>716391854
Not doing Reapers for the sequel seems like an attractive, vague idea, but then you pretty much just invalidate the entire threat of the first game by saying they persisted a cycle for millions of years without a backup plan and would just stop or be invalidated by the first sign of resistance. It also takes for granted that the first game started with immediate urgency and drive, and not-Reaper advocates usually just assume the sequel would work without a similar framework, or that a lesser concern of only local importance in the galaxy would suffice.

>>716392189
Hostile reminder that the ultimate testament to bioware's genius was talking to Sovereign and him telling you that he's too deep for you to understand him.
Bravo, bioware.
Then you talk to Vigil and he says the same shit.
Because even during me1, the supposed good one, they had no idea what to do with the reapers.

>>716392273
I realize you are a lost cause.

>>716386426
Sovereign was the best villain in the series. The other guy whose name I forgot but belonged to the same race as Garrus was also cool. The bugs in ME2 on the other hand were boring.

Afterlife

>>716392285
There's likely not even a million dead from the collectors. On the scale of me1, it's a blip

Eden prime being rekt was a bigger tragedy than whatever happens in me2

>>716392309
"You're retarded for liking this thing that I don't", I mean good for you for being the arbiter of good taste and I am truly sympathetic that not everyone understands your genius. You don't got better things to spend your lunch break on then constantly whining about games you don't like?

>>716392387
>The other guy whose name I forgot but belonged to the same race as Garrus was also cool.
>council, this guy who has pieces of geth tech sticking out of his body might be a traitor
>you're out of line sherpert
Clap.

it's a normalfag console game designed for 360 kids who were playing Gears of War and Call of Duty at the time, you can by how obnoxious ME2 posters are that it's a shit game

>>716391765
But bro your RGB ending with some random fucking ghost kid that was never mentioned in the entire trilogy?

>>716392439
I like being mean to people. :)

>>716381750 (OP)
It has been more than a decade since I played ME2. The only thing I remember about it are the loyalty missions. It made for a great contrast against RDR2 because in that game you didn't get to know your gang members intimately, yet it expected you to care about them. Whereas the loyalty missions in ME2 ensured that your relationship with your ship crew was inseparable.

>>716381750 (OP)
>Other than the companions, their mission,
no, those are the worst in franchise when we're not being dishonest
what ME2 improved was dialog scene animation and the system of playing recorded lines (not to be confused with what the lines are saying)
and i can't genuinely think of another thing it improved, essentially it's terrible

>>716392276
Me2 vanguard is weak due to no ability to disengage by rolling. Also, as you say, it barely works (at the end of the game almost never).
Vanguard also wants low cooldown, so no extra weapons. And you still need to remove all the incessant armor types so you will need to use a shotgun to laboriously peel those, which is also a form of cbt.
This also requires you to continuously scrounge like a rat for ammo. And no use of other powers, becaus me2 vanguard doesn't have any others that are worth using. No throwing enemies. No lifting.

>>716392412
The threat is that the reapers are behind it, which means they're gearing up for another stab at their plan.

I hate how they abandon your role as a Spectre they set up in the first game just so you can be TIMS errand boy in the sequel.

>>716392702
The actual threat of me2 is minuscule. As I said, it can be handled by a small contingent of Alliance troops. No need for shepard. He doesn't bring any special sauce.

If anything, you are gimped due to fighting a larger vessel in a frigate.

An alliance marine detachment would've been better suited for the job.

The world building makes no sense. There's not ANY reason for shepard to do this job when the regular military is capable and right for the job.

In their desire to make le ebin reddit second installment, the writers threw out any logical backbone of the story. The entire leadership of every race is now retarded. The alliance military is disbanded. Cerberus is the only organization with foresight. The scale is smaller.

Every piece of gameplay and the way gameplay sections are built up serve to make you feel like a rat or cockroach. Running around in firefights and collecting ammo because you have so little, being endlessly told what to do, all the organizations that used to be supportive are now useless and so on

>>716392582
>so no extra weapons
That's only in ME3 right? It's not applicable to ME2 but even so the cooldowns feel like absolute shit to play with.

>>716392446
Think he meant Nihlus

>>716381750 (OP)
Someone pointing out ME2 is the daddy issues game genuinely ruined it for me. I cannot unsee it any time I play it.

>>716392902
The threat is the reapers, it's the same threat. Not sure why you're trying to shift the goal posts when the discussion is to pursue the story with or without that threat. The Collectors are working for the Reapers, that's assumed very early on. They're just this game's version of Saren.

>>716392902
>There's not ANY reason for shepard to do this job when the regular military is capable and right for the job
To be fair to ME2, there is a reason: because the Alliance refuses to help. Why? Because uh those colonists moved to non-Alliance space. Why? What do they have against the Alliance? Are they still moving out there? What do people think about it? Uh gsdgfdgdf. Stop asking. The Alliance can't help, or won't help, or their help isn't wanted, I dunno. Your questions are ruining my cool epic story about working with terrorists to save humans from space bugs.

>>716393114
>The Collectors are working for the Reapers, that's assumed very early on
Why would anyone even assume that? Why would Shepard even believe it?

>>716393114
Its literally not reapers, it's their podunk proxy that is less efficient at war than geth and doing irrelevant shit in secret.

The only reason they are a threat is that the alliance military is no more within the story. They have no ships to defend settlements.

The collectors can only fight militias. They have no ability to take defended settlements. They need to paralyze an entire planet to have any shot at doing what they want. This is not a measure of strength, but of abject weakness. The geth simply rolled up in me1 and blasted an entire planet. Their power level is significantly larger.

There's #1 not any reason to assume the abductions are reaper related except you taking the writer's word for it

The scale is significantly lower. Wars with batarians took more lives than this.

Even the end result is painfully small. A mini reaper human that can be killed by a single guy shooting it in the eye.

"Oh my god, they're planning on harvesting EARTH" literally how. The only way you can assume this is possible is if the entire earth military is, again, disbanded due to plot reasons. All to make shepard the center piece to a gay ass story about becoming friends with a "cool" set of companions.

>>716393239
Reapers devoting even an iota of attention towards taking a few tens of thousands undefended settlers unironically make them less impressive and gives off an aura of desperation and weakness.

Its far away from sovereign simply driving through whole ships to get to his goal. Regular ships are just ants in his way.

In me2 their #1 proxy needs to act in darkness, only stealing away into the night after using worthless unexplained and visually unappealing hax to render tech useless and people made into puppets. Whenever they turn on the "plot ray" or "plot comatose beam" that's when you know you are in the B-plot of B plots

>>716393629
The Reapers are pretty unimpressive in 2 and 3, yeah. I remember the boss fight in 3 where you fight a Reaper who has to be distracted with fucking lasers before you can shoot it. That's what fucking cats do, and I'm pretty sure even a cat would stop chasing a laser if you shot at it.

ME2 is my favorite part and I replayed it the most. It's still a severe downgrade in a lot of ares. Guess I just like the slight gameplay improvements. ME3 is a piece of shit and needs to be ignored. ME2 entire story is pointless. Maybe that's why it's good because you don't need to care about story and world building. If you cut ME2 from the trilogy or have someone skip ME1 it's a solid game. Both curse and blessing.

>This thread is alive so far, solely on the efforts of a single autist shitting on ME2
Won't save ME, won't change anyone's mind.

>>716381750 (OP)
What rpg elements were downgraded from 1 to 2? Like sure 1 had more rpg elements, but equipment mainly just boiled down to "equip stuff that had better stats", and all of the guns generally played the same within the gun type they are, unlike in 2.

>>716394234
There's not a single guy trashing me2. More like three

>>716394464
It's one guy.

>>716394418
Playing with heat versus damage in me1 doesn't count?

>>716394418
Also I'll add that I don't care about the change from infinite ammo to thermal clips. Sure it doesn't make sense in universe but gameplay wise, thermal clips actually do serve to prevent the player from turtling in one place with a sniper rifle and forces them to move more.

>>716394608
It breaks up fights and action by burdening the player with additional slave work of having to run around and scavenge from the enemy's supplies, because shepard forgets to bring enough ammunition.

>>716394717
I mean yeah, that's how a lot of shooters are with ammo (which is most shooter games). You have to pay attention with your ammo and not just waste it, and it serves to discourage turtling with a sniper.

>>716387875
bad writing.

>>716394793
>waste it
You spend it shooting off endless ammo sponge armor layers and still run out all the time.
You run out of ammo every single mission. There's no way around it. And you are the only guy ever running out.

Its an unnecessary addition that boils down to needless busywork that slows the game down to a crawl.

Your shields cannot tank a full clip of SMG ammo btw, but your enemies can and will simply stand there like retards while you shoot them. And then you go scrounge for more like a rat.

>>716393629
>Its far away from sovereign simply driving through whole ships
You're neglecting the fact that he spent the entire game dodging and running because a very specific sequence of events needed to be satisfied to allow them in. The reapers always see a threat in the galaxy becoming aware of their presence and uniting against them, that's why they use subterfuge in the first two games, and why their whole plan A is built around decapitating the leadership in the first hours of the invasion.

>>716394980
Enemies drop thermal clips though, and you can find ammo thats spread through out the levels during the heat of combat. I never really had to waste time finding ammo around the levels even when I played on Hardcore.

>>716393629
>unironically make them less impressive and gives off an aura of desperation and weakness
Doesn't one of the ME1 conversations mention how Sovereign has been planning the invasion for 300 years and has gotten desperate? ME2 only builds on that with the Reapers using the collectors to build a human reaper after they saw what Shepard did. Harvesting a worth opponent to become stronger doesn't make them any less desperate than when Sovereign was trying to rush the Citadel and puppeting Saren. The problem comes from ME2 and ME3 being so wildly different in tone and storyline.

>>716395305
>>716395179
Physically speaking, he's never depicted as weak. He wants to win 100%, and this necessitates getting pawns and getting into the perfect position, yes.

But it's a far cry away from the on screen depiction of collectors being weak enough to be killed by a single small ship and crew (as long as they get le ebin plot device mcguffin installed).

The entire plotline of me2 can be solved by the alliance military in record speed.

The collectors are depicted as a scurrying enemy that only fights against paralyzed people, using magic rays to shut down tech in visually unappealing ways. Its simply not a strong enemy. They die the instant their fake advantages are removed.

Geth are stronger. Humanity is an extreme overmatch. A couple of cruisers destroy collector ships, a hundred alliance marines clears the collector base.

>>716395835
May as well call the Citadel, mass relays, and indoctrination all magic and fake advantages as well.

>>716396719
All those are visually distinct and have clear uses. Mass relay tech (part of the fucking title of the trilogy) is directly and visually shown as being impressive and clearly used over and over for story purposes.

The collectors have diffuse and visually obfuscated technologies that aren't explained well, that only serve to move the plot forward. A writer's conceit.

Why can they ambush entire planets and be a military threat ?
>"Magic tech shutdown rays that render everyone except the heroes useless!"
How can they capture tens of thousands of people ?
>"Magic bugs that sting everyone!"
How are they deploying these bugs to saturate an entire planet
>"we won't tell!"
And so on

Its just a convenience and doesn't satisfy. Its very exposition heavy stuff. Heavy handed storytelling. You're told to simply shut up and play. Its not thought through. You are punished by the game itself for delving deeper by every question being brushed off.

Me1 at least had a real interest in all the fluff, and real time was spent explaining all the game elements within the framework.

Normandy explodes because it's supposed to. Its old and busted and shepard needs to die. So the collector just kills them without explanation. How can they track an invisible ship? They don't say. Why can't the Normandy do its thing and evade? Magic ray.

Its boring and gay and stops me from ever replaying that shit.

>>716381750 (OP)
Oh no not the shitty rpg elements that no one gave a fuck about

>>716381750 (OP)
For all the ME2 dick riders, explain to me why the fuck is Shepard willingly working for the obvious bad guy? The Illusive Man doesn't even hide the fact that he's evil
>he saved Shepard's life
So? Shepard wasn't a retard. If he was saved by the Geth in ME1, he wouldn't work for them and rage war against the Quarians
>he was gathering intel as an inside man
At no point did he ever make a case for doing so. It wasn't until so much later when Martin Sheen goes "btw I'm totally evil" that he finally decides to not work for him
Holy shit, the story of ME2 is abhorrent!

>>716397481
>is THAT le roleplay
>in MY let roleplay RPG???

>>716395835
>he's never depicted as weak
It's literally stated the reason he needs to find the teleporter in ME1 is because he would get destroyed by the alliance fleet if he went in normally. He's strong but not infallible.
>me2 can be solved by the alliance military in record speed
It literally couldn't. The omega beacon is uncharted and nobody survives it, the alliance would never risk it not to mention the debris field would instakill any of the bigger ships. The whole point of ME2 is about creating a crew with the necessary skills to break and kill the collector's base. Nearly everyone on the Normandy is quite literally the galaxy's finest when it comes to their respective roles and the alliance wouldn't have the will to go on what could easily be a wild goose chase. Plus with the suicide mission its quite likely that any of those team members could die.
>collectors are depicted as a scurrying enemy that only fights against paralyzed people
Why would you ever take a fair fight from their perspective? They have limited numbers and they work well once you realise they are basically mindless automatons that descend from the protheans. They have superior tech and obviously they will use it. It's like complaining why Reapers have one shot laser beams that can kill anyone in a single shot.

>>716397543
>The Illusive Man doesn't even hide the fact that he's evil
Cerberus got retconned in every game. In ME2 they are seen as a means justify the ends organisation looking to protect humanity, a renegade Shepard could easily justify working with them given that the council turns their back on him. In ME3 Illusive man got bastardised as a complete retard.
>he wouldn't work for them and rage war against the Quarians
The enemy of my enemy is an ally at least for now. Who else would provide him the resources to hunt down the collectors and protect those colonies? Shepard has multiple lines saying that he's working with them to stop the reapers not be a part of their organisation. Udina is a retard and the council don't give a fuck, in the two years you are dead they choose to ignore the reaper threat and pretend they don't exist. There is literally no other option for Shepard unless you suggest he waits it out until something major happens and the Alliance finally reacts.

>>716397694
Its all just plot convenience. There's absolutely nothing organic about any of the me2 story elements, and truly nothing stopping the alliance from not solving the problem immediately by simply hunting down the singular ship the collectors possess. What's lil timmy gon' do then huh?

>LE mod that gives the mako infinite boost
funnest fucking thing ever

>he's still going
Arguing with yourself is a clear sign of insanity
Seek help
Take your meds
And touch grass

I wish we could kill Aria.

>>716398202
The Alliance can't pass through the relay that the collectors use. The relays are built and controlled by the reapers, so it's following from the first game that the reaper servants have access to their back door. Reapers using the Protheans as a slave race in service of further cycles, like the keepers, is also an organic development that follows from the first game.

>>716397543
i hate to give cop-out answers, but all of this is literally answered explicitly in the conversations between shep and TIM. you can quite literally ask him why you should work for him, and then tell him to go pound sand and hear his response.

did you even play the game?

Pretty much all of 3s problems go back to 2 simply not moving the plot forward at all until it’s final dlc. It really should have been the build up to the invasion and end with you failing to prevent it, sure it would be a massive cliff hanger but it’s the second part of a three part story, a cliff hanger comes with the territory. I still enjoy all 3 despite the dog shit ending, but the ending is just a symptom of the underlying issue that the middle game didn’t move the plot forward a single inch. Losing the empty planets with a couple of neat thing to find from 1 also sucks the most, they weren’t amazing but they made the game feel a lot bigger than it really was.

Cerberus should have had a rival commando team that you fought with throughout 3 instead of an army and navy completely pulled out of TIMs ass

I strongly suggest ignoring the autist and letting the thread die, or post Miranda's ass.

>>716398612
Nyreen should have been a crewmate and romance option

>>716386162
>>716386224
ME3 is like a slightly lukewarm microwave meal. You can eat it just fine, but you wished you put it in for another 30 seconds.

>>716399503
>tfw all of the me2 romances were half assed in me3
At least the last dlc made up for it despite how cheesy it is

>>716399503
>>716398506
>nooo don't discuss vidya on /v/ you chud!!
This is the real mental illness
>>716398641
That's just more trite exposition trying desperately to force the plot to happen. Absolutely nothing changes if it's a small detachment of alliance military instead of shepard doing the thing.

The difference between the story structure in me1 is stark. There, the prothean artifacts imprinting on shepard early on in the story is the entire crux that enables shepard to continue the story.
Me2's story's necessity is handwaved as being of utmost importance, and only shepard can do it. But it's just not true

ME3 infiltrator with a big pistol and a light AR/smg and the decoy ability is fucking kino, running around tricking enemies, blowing shit up, backstabbing everything. Most fun I ever had in a mass effect game with ME2 vanguard being just behind it. Didn’t like ME3 vanguard though, the ground pound was just far too good to the point that it became your primary ability, very boring compared to the hit and run crack head that ME2 vanguard was.

>>716398291
Does the LE still have the paragon/renegade boosting glitch? That glitch was a must do for me in mass effect 1, let’s me role play more instead of just farming red or blue points for speech checks, gives a nice bonus going into 2 as well opening up more role playing.

>>716397543
>wouldn't work for them and rage war against the Quarians
Quarks constantly prove they're too dumb to live, actual space jews.

>>716399685
>>ME3 is like a slightly lukewarm microwave meal.
More like a lukewarm microwaved shit

>>716399702
>nooo don't discuss vidya on /v/ you chud!!
Let's discuss it in true /v/ form
ME3 is shit, it was always shit, nobody ever liked it, and Bioware will die because of it

Hopefully The Expanse: Osiris Reborn - Owlcat Games™ is good and fills the gap of a space rpg left by mass effect

>>716386007
This is the objective truth

>>716400904
>Owlcat
see pic
>space rpg
>ass erect
LOLE

>>716400836
ME3 being bad is a direct result of me2.
The burden being put on me3 after that installment is simply too large to bear.

>>716399702
You should know, you're an expert at hand waving.

>>716381750 (OP)
>ITS BAD BECAUSE
>IT DOESNT HAVE 400 PAGES OF EXPOSITION ON THE HISTORY OF THE COFFEE MUG SITTING ON CHACKWAS DESK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>716401006
ME3 being bad, is a result of ME3 being bad.
It is solely responsible for the quality of its own content.
Just like Andromeda being bad, is a result of it being bad, not because of the trilogy.

>>716401196
Installments generally build upon another.
Me2 is the worst building material I've ever seen in gaming, in storytelling terms.

There's genuinely no way to make a satisfying final installment after following that steaming piece of shit that is me2.


But your brain is rotted and you post porn so why do I care. You're obviously retarded.

>>716401393
>>Installments generally build upon another.
And ME3 ruined everything.

>>716401017
Me1 has a strong foundation. The prothean artifact plotline opens up the plot and is the reason why things happen, are unlocked, are suddenly available to shepard etc. your efforts always directly correlate to an increased understanding of what is happening.

In me2, the reason for the plot are unexplained and wholly magical weapons the collectors possess, that shut down tech and make them invincible until the writers say otherwise.
The act of recruiting "companions" has nothing to do with this plot.
Its all ancillary stuff. There's no coherent structure to the game or the story beats you go through.

You do these things because the game says so. Its all just a bunch of gay feels faggotry. You need to make sure your "friends" are happy and contended otherwise they can't perform? This is grade school shit.

>>716401553
Me2 started the rot right from the get go. Your inability to grasp that me2 is where it all went wrong means you cannot grasp what happens in me3.
That's why you're so hung up on me3, and why your analysis is woefully inadequate to explain anything

"Me3 simply became bad for no reason".

>>716401645
>Me1 has a strong foundation
The foundation being shepard being a mary/gary stu and prophetic visions.

>>716401740
You're just mindlessly writing stuff now. Your level is really low. I will start seriously bullying you if you continue.

>>716401739
If I had to make such excuses at my job for performing poorly, I'd be fired.
ME3 is fired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ubRRNj5Jbk

>>716401849
You're welcome to prove me wrong.

>>716400904
Owlcat are dogshit when it comes to making finished games and I frankly don't trust them despite having over 1000 hours in WoTR. The original ME team are making a new game but the characters look so fucking ugly that it made me lose interest.

>>716401393
This. As much as I like ME2 it was objectively a miss-step as your middle point of the trilogy. It was, literally, filler that added more characters than they could ever give satisfying resolutions to. It's why ME3 is a completely rushed mess that has to cram two games worth of story into one.

I do not understand people who fixate on miranda. She's got as little going on as Kaiden and isn't even the hottest bitch on the ship in a skintight bodysuit (that would be Tali)

>>716381750 (OP)
Even the companion missions are retarded
>Shepard, it's about my father!
>Shepard, it's about my father!
>Shepard, it's about my sister but also father!
>Shepard, it's about my son!
>Shepard, it's about my daughter!
>Shepard, it's about my apprentice!
>Shepard, I really want to kill that guy...
Based Garrus.

I wonder if this guy defending ME3 is either a lefticuck or an actual nigger, because these mental gymnastics to not accept blame are fucking impressive
>NOOOO, it's the white man's fault we couldn't create a civilization beyond mud huts for five thousand years
>NOOOOO, where's my reparations?
>It's not my fault I became a looter and a murderer
>You can't be racist toward white people
This is the level of argumentation it sounds like, when you try to blame other things for your own failures

now that the dust has settled and poorfags have upgraded their systems.. why is starfield so much better than mass effect?

>>716402667
Maybe it's a karen that just hates the fact that ME2 is the last game Bioware made aimed at hot blooded males

>>716381750 (OP)
>removing the mako
opinion discarded

>>716402729
Anyway, only jews, Karens and cucks enjoy ME3
So fuck ME3 and fuck niggers

>>716402729
idk, ME3 had EDI and bimbofied Ashley

>>716401909
There's literally nothing to respond to complete non sequitur remarks like that.
You're barely human if you earnestly post like this

>>716402919
It's you who mentioned me1 foundation as if it was anything good, retard.

>>716402849
What pleases me the most, is that ME3 introduced the canon femshep, only to have her die, and suck nigger dick in hell, while Miri is alive and gets to fine dine on Krogan and Yahg cock.
But, since it is all ME2's fault, I will gladly have it take the blame for that.

>>716403075
Just look at that shit eating grin on Miri. It's like she knows. It's like she's saying "thanks for everything, bitch, now byeeeeeeeeeeeee"

>>716403190
I can't imagine being the bitch that becomes worm food, while all you subordinates get to enjoy life and fucking aliens.
Maybe Miri can do you one solid, and send Jacob to keep you company.

>>716402610
Zaeed and Garrus were real ones

>>716402667
Using the passive voice to write whiny shit like this is faggoty/womanly posting
>I can't BELIEVE what I'm reading guys!!!

>>716402969
Read the thread.

>>716403426
Good cop out, you'd perfectly fit in at your based bioware.

>>716403285
I gotta agree, killing that ginger, freckled chimp makes the ME3 ending worthwhile for me. Especially if she killed herself making sure that the relays are repaired, transit between systems is a go and hot, virile, genophage cured krogan can't wait to plant their seed in Miri, and not evaporated femshep.

>>716403512
And when I say it has to suck being femshep, it's not even in a good way.
Just sucking nigger dicks in hell.
Goddamn, is that not a fate worse than death?

>>716403493
I've already made several posts enunciating the issues inherent to me2 and contrasting it with me1.

If you are illiterate and unable to perform it's your problem. Its all just excuses with you anyway.

>>716381750 (OP)
the first mass effect game is shit. its RPG/character building is lame as shit and nowhere near as good as the praise would have you believe. when people complain about the second "neutering" these elements, there is an implication that it was actually good/worth having around. they weren't. the story of the first game is literally "AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS" but reskinned to be muh space instead of muh high fantasy. it also has bloated inventory management, scrawling through your drops to make sure you have "fire rounds IV" instead of "fire rounds III" was stupid as fuck, selling all the extra shit you don't need was stupid as fuck and wasted time.
i would have liked a slightly bigger arsenal/options for what your shep can equip, but otherwise that is the only major flaw. the story is more interesting, the companions have more depth/interest than the first, the combat is better, it looks better with less barren environments, and had better pacing/balancing of combat sections to the non-combat sections.
all that being said, the worst part of all of the ME games is the "morality". in the first game, i made choices that would benefit the galaxy as a whole, ended up as renegade. in the second, i made choices that would further my own personal mission without a care to the consequences, ended up as paragon. stupid as fuck.

Okay OG ME1 or LE? How big of a difference is it actually?

>>716403701
>I've already made several posts enunciating the issues inherent to me2
Do you see me defending me2, dumbfuck?

>>716381750 (OP)
i love depleting planets
its insanely fun

>>716403658
Anyway, thank you ME3 for killing femshep.
Best thing you ever did.
Only good thing you ever did.
She's so happy to die, jumping into that green beam, too.
Well, I guess that's what being the ugliest bitch in the universe gets you.

>>716403786
>>716403701
same person

>>716403786
Implication being that me1 is good and has a firm foundation, if you could fucking read, you troglodyte faggot

>>716403931
>Implication being that me1 is good and has a firm foundation
>>716401740
me1 isn't good, sorry.

>>716403983
And that's a nonsense post that is just noise.
Substantiate your statement or fuck off.

>>716404559
Everything about it is bad. From combat to characters (more like no characters, m i rite), to exploration (empty as fuck planets with the same copy pasted buildings on them) to braindead "rpg elements" and bad writing.
The only good things about ME1 are the world building, but it's done clumsily mostly through lore dumps and codex, and music. Two things which are as far removed from the game as possible.
And don't even try to pull the "well, it's better than the sum of its pats" because the sum of its parts is a just a basic bitch console game that's a chore to play.

>>716404761
Me1 went to great lengths to retain player control above all else. You go from the bridge to the front door and hop into the mako on Noveria and personally drive to where the bad stuff is happening.
Things like this build up the world. Along the way you can engage with the world itself and all the people that live in it. This makes it a superior RPG.

Later creators didn't care to create enough engagement within the story and gameplay in these ways. You are instead herded and stopped by numerous cutscenes where shepard simply reacts. Its on rails.
These things are me1's strengths.

Maybe the characters didn't have enough quips and maybe they didn't suck your dick hard enough in 1. Idk

>>716405665
>personally drive to where the bad stuff is happening.
>Well, you go up that mountain range, and then you go up that mountain range an then you go up that mountain range and maybe you get yourself 1000 omni-gel
This is what gaming was always supposed to be about.
At least in gachas when you do the same mundane no-gameplay shit, you get some TnA, in ME1 you got ugly Ashley and fat Liara.

>>716405665
>You go from the bridge to the front door and hop into the mako on Noveria and personally drive to where the bad stuff is happening.
That's "great lengths to retain player control" for you? You should either play more games or stop playing them forever.
>This makes it a superior RPG.
Yeah, especially the not being an rpg part.
>You are instead herded and stopped by numerous cutscenes
Motherfucker, me1 has so many unskippable cutscenes you have to be really dumb to even mention it.

>>716386551
artist pls?

>>716381750 (OP)
at least the shooting and SOME of the power additions were cool as hell. Vanguard charge is super fun, shame doing it on any difficulty higher than normal is a death sentence unless you use it to finish off the last enemy in an encounter

>>716406358
https://x.com/crackedorb

>>716381750 (OP)
not even the companion missions are good
every single one is like "uh hey, umm Shepard *touches finger tips together* I know we have like this saving the world mission and all but I have these unresolved daddy issues so if like you know we have maybe a minute or two to spare could you help me out with that you know if there's time"

>>716403761
Its 90% graphics and on 0C you can get mods to fix all the fucked lighting anyway

The combat in me2 is so shit on higher difficulties. Here's 3000 mercs spamming grenade launchers and you're mentally disabled AI companions will immedietely run into their firing line instead of staying where you put them.

>Trans michael jackson fuckers are schizophrenic
Who'da thunk

>>716407253
thanks, king
got a link with more from him?
nothing much on r34

>>716407930
i'm playing on insanity right now and some fights are really annoying while others are pretty fun at higher difficulties
but yeah those rocket launcher spamming enemies that sometimes appear in packs of 3 are annoying
also hate how i practically have to bring miranda on every single mission just because he has warp and overload, which makes her the best squad mate by a mile
also wtf is up with jack's powers? she gets a unique upgrade that makes her biotics deal 20% more damage, but neither of her biotic skills deals damage. what the fuck?

Having played the trilogy into oblivion knowing all the dialogue in and out I can safely say 2 is the worst even though back when it came out it was probably the one I played the most. The gameplay is the worst being glued to walls at all times and biotics being nerfed into uselessness. The weapon selection is pitiful same with the skill branches cause that ain't no tree. Really the only thing it has going for it is that it has the best visuals. The characters are mostly boring but I always felt they were outshined by bioware's other game DAO. That games companion dialogue pretty much dwarves the entire trilogy.

>>716410249
It's the stunlocking combined with infinite spam when you try to peek which is the worst part.
>>716410921
>biotics being nerfed into uselessness
I understand they were broken in ME1 but fucking hell they got gutted in ME2. I was thinking of doing an adept insanity run through all 3 games but that might actually push me over the edge.

>>716410921
See >>716386007

>>716411653
I use the biotics penetrate shields and no universal cooldown mods for 2. Pretty much breaks the game but it becomes somewhat fun at least.

Why didn't you listen to her?

>>716410921
>>716411653
>>716412016
Anons are right. Base me2 simply feels like shit to play. All the shields all the changes all contribute

>>716412016
That Liara is cursed m8, fix her

>>716412391
no

>>716389023
>put reticle on enemy
>miss
It was shit. Everything about it is associated with garbage padding in the game.

>>716381750 (OP)
Frankly, the reapers being the antagonists was never going to have a "good" ending, it was doomed to be a deus ex machina no matter what, i'm the type of person that can enjoy the journey, and on that front ME2, especially on insanity is a fantastic ride, shame how they butchered legion and the geth in 3

>>716412774
Garbage padding is forcing the player to fight the same three merc groups endlessly while wasting time doing chores for your faggot companion's sake (this is the entire game btw)

>>716412016
Please don't yassify Liara

>miranda has daddy issues
>jacob has issues with his deadbeat dad
>tali has daddy issues
>thane has issues being a deadbeat daddy
>samara has issues being a mommy which is just the female version of a daddy
What did bioware mean by this?

>>716413229
well shepard can just straight up tell them that he doesn't have time for their bullshit

>>716413417
Really only liked the default facetextures of characters when I couldn't do anything with them on console but ever since playing on PC I use mods. Now I'm way too used to them to go back.

>>716413706
That's the entire game though

The ending is inconsequential to all of this btw

>>716413535
Parenting is important, don't relegate raising your little shit to an iPhone

>>716413535
liara has some minor mommy / daddy issues
garrus has daddy issues as well
grunt has issues and you have to find him a new daddy (wrex)
kasumi has dead bf issues
feels like mordin is the only one in the game without that shit
and maybe jack, she just has cerberus issues

>>716412016
>Pretty much breaks the game
I might use no shared cooldowns but my autism compels me to beat the game vanilla.
>>716412219
It's depedent on class. My first every playthrough was solider and shit was easy. ME3 on the other hand was actual dogshit compared to ME2.

>>716414167
Garrus is on good terms with his dad though, his dad isn't fond of Garrus being willing to bend the rules but otherwise they're fine, Garrus has more of a wanting to be like shepard issue(His squa on omega being a mirror of what shepard puts together in 2)

>>716399991
If you mean the one in Noveria talking to that one Turian then yes it still works

>>716414167
professional jection

>og trilogy has better visuals
>le has better mods
I HATE IT! Why did these useless fucks have to fuck up the lighting so?

>>716381750 (OP)
The companions also sucked and removing the mako, rather than just polishing it up, was a terrible idea. No defense of ME2 is acceptable to anyone with an IQ over 65

>>716385273
>guy who shows up literally every thread to argue that he's one of many and the many he's arguing with is actually one
The ironing is delicious

ME2 would have been better if you could put a bullet in Jack's brain the moment you meet her. It makes zero sense why anyone would want this retarded criminal on their team.

>>716418439
Hate sex is a real thing desu

>>716381750 (OP)
glad to see the narrative finally shifting for this shit game. /v/ shilled me to death when this game released, and I was hyped as ME1 was enjoyable, than I found they turned it into a shitty 3rd person shooter

>Has it been an hour?
>Let me pretend to be another 4 people with the same talking points

>>716420021
You're genuinely mentally ill if you don't think there's room to critique this dogshit game.

Just look up a let's play of the first two hours of me2 and count the number of cutscenes.
Better yet, count the number of cutscenes where shepard's responses aren't just a bunch of vanilla trash that doesn't mean anything.

There's zero player control. That's what you like isn't it? To be treated like a little child

>NOOOO! We're not the same person, I swear!
>We just talk the same
>sperg out the same
>And have the exact same talking points
>It's coincidental, I promise!
There's gotta be a certain level of pathetic that pity isn't enough
You just have to laugh

>>716420021
>>716420790
This is some absolutely amazing mental illness. You make literally the exact same post with the same language every time and dozens of obviously different writing styles and arguments made by others go right over your head every time. Ask me how I know you're indian

>NOOOO, you're a schizo!
>Meds!
>Touch grass!
Every time

>>716421519
>acts like a schizo
>gets called one
Funny how that works.

>>716410921
The biotics being weaker but more interactive and fun to actually use might be the only change I liked in ME2. As stupid as the vanguard charge is in theory, using that shit was genuinely fun, especially in 3.

I like all 3 games. I've played through them before on release so the wait time between 1 and 2 when I first played them was quite long. I recently went from 1 straight into 2 and the difference is jarring, such as the random species that we never saw before and the thermal clips. The game feels like it was written by a completely different team as well. Did they fire the main writer for the first game between 1 and 2?

>Nooo! You're not supposed to notice!
>Stop noticing!
>This is literal ME3 genocide!

>>716422007
Some people might like the style of play in me2 and 3 (combo different spells).
But the narrative strength of physically lifting and rendering useless an enemy or launching them into the stratosphere by combined powers is hard to beat, imo

Also giving the player freedom to manipulate objects makes fun glitching possible https://youtu.be/5M3yBE3BIfw?si=HxzZ6UIloeeVI9C-

Man just imagine what this series could have been if EA didn't their grubby hands on it. It still makes me really sad.

>>716422012
IIRC the first game had an absolute autist on the team that would insist on making the world fit to his headcanon constantly. He did the codex entires and would argue with others when they wanted to make changes. I'm sure he was a pain in the ass but you need someone like that sometimes to protect their vision, and can add a certain authenticity to a project.

>>716422362
You're not wrong. The first games biotics also more resembled what you would expect from such a power in real life. People wouldn't be using it to make slow moving force fields or jump around. They would just use it to cause damage or throw things IRL.

>>716422517
That was Casey Hudson.
He is also the reason behind the endings.
Also, according to Drew Karpyshyn, the codex entries about the planers were just random shit that he mashed together by an excel spreadshit.

>>716412203
This game had such good aesthetics.

>>716422656
Seems he shoulda been kept on his leash and shitting out good universe ideas and sci fi autism instead of being in total control. He's basically George Lucas lol.

>>716422007
Doesn't it strongarm you into gunplay?

>>716422012
THe main writer left to work on The Old Republic and they replaced him with someone who only writes characters and not the main plot.

>>716381750 (OP)
Yeah, pretty much

>>716386830
You've really got to wonder how much better ME3 would have been had EA not rushed it out the door. Even a single extra year of development time would have made all the difference.

>>716422007
Vanguard in 3 is fun indeed but not so much in 2 where charging an enemy on insanity is pretty much a death sentence. Also CAN'T TARGET THEM, CAN'T GET A LOCK! for literally no fucking reason a lot of times.

>>716422817
George Lucas has been proven again and again to being one of the most successful creative directors on the planet.

Personally responsible for digital editing, digital photography in film, massive leaps in CG tech in film and numerous techniques being developed. Guy had a knack for it. His team continuously made the "impossible" possible and churned out ridiculously good designs that hold up today.

>>716385870
Liara is so fucking hot dude holy shit how did they write perfection

>>716390726
>dude you can't just point out examples of good sci-fi series when talking about a sci-fi series

>>716424136
As a Liarafag I gotta say even I got annoyed at all the screentime she got in 3 compared to other characters. Also her romance if you kept it in all 3 games is really weirdly written.

>>716425449
Stress relief for Jack, TIM, her father, Jacob, Kai Leng, and the Shadow Broker.

Me2 is such an upgrade over 1 that it is not even funny. You faggot contrarians will say anything

How is ME5 going to work if the mass relays were destroyed. Did the faget director say anything

>>716426714
They're only 'damaged' now thanks to the extended cut.

>>716426714
The high EMS endings show the relays can be fixed relatively quick

Control ending is the best for youmanity

>>716426497
>no argument
Same story every time. Bet you like that grotesque opening 2 hours most of all. Absolutely deranged.

>>716385194
Yeah

>>716426714
They aren't gonna make new Mass Effect
>"but they said.....
Bioware has less than 100 employees and none of them professionals, they pretty small indie studio without any talent or passion. They never make another AAA game ever again and that's a good thing

>>716426497
ME2 is so different than 1 that you can't really argue that it's 'better' really. It just depends on what you like about the first game

>>716386782
This. It's amazing how people tolerate its shortcomings. I'm not saying it's a bad game, but it had problems. (I'm kinda tired and I don't feel like even trying to articulate a coherent statement rn.)
In any case, I hope to god that the next ME game's good, but I'm really burnt out from reddit absolutely dickriding the pitfalls of ME3.

>>716381750 (OP)
The worst parts of ME2 are tolerable. That says a lot.
I'm trudging through ME3 right now, and I forgot just how bad it is. It literally has an evil twin arc.

>>716430772
citadel dlc is one of the best things about ME3 wdym

>>716388943
All females based on a face model (Liara, Diana Allers the Elcor Ambassador, and Miranda) were horrific, but ones designed out of whole cloth looked good.

>>716423734
God those fucking collector platforms, don't remind me of that shit

>>716381750 (OP)
>the RPG elements are neutered
That part literally stays the same. Adding billions useless traits with +1 to some stat doesn't add more rpg elements.

Was ME1 your first rpg game?

ME1 has explosive rounds so its better.

>>716431482
I like role playing RPG games. I play them on my personal PC computer.

>>716431591
So do you have sane skill trees in those games or it's mostly shitfest with +1 to something?

>>716423734
>>716431130
I'm doing Vanguard on Insanity right now and the start is really bullshit, but once you got shotgun upgrades and shit it becomes manageable
But holy shit, shotguns are so much worse in 2 than in 1
ME1 shotguns with explosive ammo are just god tier and then you go to 2 where they fire 8 pellets that feel like they all go in different directions and have like 1 meter range, honestly ridiculous

>>716431591
Me too. I just bought a role playing RPG by putting my PIN number into the ATM machine and withdrawing some cash money.

>>716433042
Firing my explosive round straight into Miranda's large intestine

>>716381750 (OP)
Zaeed is immersion breaking with how much he feels like a DLC.

Mass Effect 2 is just a huge downgrade in developers ambition and vision, mass effect 1 has issues for sure, the planets are bit too empty and the very samey buildings you runt through. But the solution shouldn't be to just scale everything down to a stump.

>>716431854
It's the lack of ragdolling/barrier that hurts them the most. I'm not sure whether meleeing after one shot speeds up the animation but it feels better.

>>716433771
Yeah lmao it's honestly insane how tanky Vanguard is in ME1 even without the shield charge, I think I went completely deathless on Insanity once I got Barrier specialization
Honestly weird going from 1 to 2 and Shep got those enhanced biotic implants but somehow forgot how to Warp and Barrier

>>716434634
The most cancerous boss I've faced has definetly been the geth colossus during Tali's quest. You can't get close without getting gunned down by infinite geth packs. I might genocide the geth just for this alone in ME3.

>>716433334
I hope you have a NIC card in your computer instead of a Wireless WiFi adapter.

2's cast is way too big and a lot of them are boring. They could have halved the size and give the remaining ones more conversations and most important of all party banter. 2 has literally none.
Remove Jacob, Grunt, Kasumi, Jack or Samara and Thane.

What's a fun class to take through the trilogy on insanity?

>>716437371
depends on your playstyle, but infiltrator is quite fun in all 3 games
biotics aren't that fun in 2 on insanity because you can't ragdoll enemies that have protection (so literally none of them unless they're almost dead)

>>716437371
Vanguard, switch to literally anything else for me2, then back to vanguard in 3

>>716436072
>Jack or Samara and Thane
These ones are cool and you want Thane to appeal to the gamer girls but yeah you could just cut Grunt, Jacob and Kasumi because they're completely whatever. I would've also cut Morinth as a party member just because there's no good reason to take her over Samara and she doesn't get any development.

>>716438591
>Vanguard, switch to literally anything else for me2, then back to vanguard in 3
Literal skill issue. Vanguard is fun as fuck on Insanity in 2
https://youtu.be/4iQSuVfTfJ8
https://youtu.be/JR7F_yPsMuw
https://youtu.be/5TDiS1Xsocw

>>716438234
I did soldier as my first ever run but it felt kind of basic and boring. How bad is the adept life in 2? Can you deal enough damage to deal with bossfights before getting spammed to death by adds or is it ireedemable?
>>716438591
I meant pick a single class and play it through all 3 games.

>>716436072
>Remove Jacob, Grunt, Kasumi, Jack or Samara and Thane.
Wrong. The cast should've been: Miranda, Mordin, Jack, Tali, Garrus, Grunt, and Samara, with your starting party members being Miranda + Tali

>>716439019
I've played vanguard on insanity three times. It sucks balls. The game decides to remove your one tool at random opportunities. At Collector base charge is unusable 50-60% of the time.
And you won't use it for boss enemies, and you won't use it in the beginning of fights, so the character will be glued to walls and plinking a lot.
Does that sound fun?
Sentinel had the more aggressive play style.

>>716381750 (OP)
Removing the Mako was a massive downgrade. They should have improved upon it not remove it outright. Everybody hating the Mako to the point that they didn't even want it at all in later games can just fuck off. Its a huge symbolic part of why the sequels were such a mess.

>>716439775
The Mako is gayer than you, and you eat dicks like this.

>>716439174
>At Collector base charge is unusable 50-60% of the time
Skill issue once again.
https://youtu.be/1qgjrQPuX9M
https://youtu.be/Zf0ksoAwFk8
>And you won't use it for boss enemies
The only boss you can't use it against is the Reaper at the end + the Scions. Everything else can be charged to death, including the Ymir Mechs and the Geth Colossus
https://youtu.be/db1hDessQf4
https://youtu.be/H1JwB64WbPs
>and you won't use it in the beginning of fights, so the character will be glued to walls and plinking a lot.
Reflexes issue
I will concede that the game is hard as fuck until you fully upgrade charge though

>>716440145
>Ymir Mechs and the Geth Colossus
They changed them with the legendary edition. The geth colossus has a minigun that will rape you if you try rushing him like you could do in the original along with infinite geth packs spawning. It's genuinely one of the worst experiences I've had in the series.

>>716435209
that's some pretty good roleplay actually

>>716439068
>Can you deal enough damage to deal with bossfights before getting spammed to death by adds or is it ireedemable?
warp is pretty good and you'll spam that a lot, you can also combo with miranda who is pretty much mandatory with her overload + warp
overall it's just a lot of sitting behind cover and trying to curve your biotics on other enemies behind cover so it's not that exciting

1 feels like star trek. very dry. it was a good move to go full action movie in 2.

>>716439775
The big problem is they replaced the Mako with Probing which is literally nothing filler content to pad playtime.

>>716442235
How does it compare to using force powers in KoTOR? Is it anything like spamming force lightning to kill everything in the vicinity?

>>716439174
Vanguard is the way 2 is meant to be played because it avoids so much wall hopping.

>>716444104
you can spam abilities but it'll only be like that on lower difficulties where enemies don't have shields
in ME1 biotics are much stronger, you can ragdoll and lift anything you want

ME1 "RPG elements" were just an illusion, everything still felt the exact fucking same.
t. replayed it multiple times with every class

>>716444704
Well that's lame. I might just grab some mods and play it that way instead.

>>716440609
yeah that fight is pretty bs on insanity
i just flanked it from the right side and stripped its shields and then nuked it with the cain

>>716445151
I'm not sure what "RPG elements" in Mass Effect 1 we're even talking about. The fact that major skill ups have filler stages between them that "increase potency by .05%"? The quest choices in a game with infantile writing?

The problem with higher difficulties is being unable to use the party members you actually want. Taking Miranda everywhere sucks.

>>716445151
excuse me, it influences what e-mails you get in 2 and 3

>tfw my wife Vetra is stuck in the shitty ME game
bros...

>>716381750 (OP)
We've already had this discussion many times

>>716381750 (OP)
>and removing the mako
There was literally nothing wrong with the mako and gay fucking drone shit is terrible

>>716430879
That's not true. Samara and Jack both had face models.

>>716381750 (OP)
>removing the Mako
That wasn't really a positive thing, the problem wasn't ever the mako, it was the planets full of vertical cliff faces you had to slowly snake your way up to get to one of the four dungeons copy pasted a million times, or if you're really lucky a thresher maw.
They just needed the planets you went to explore to be a bit more crafted with some worthwhile points of interest.
That being said, the best part about exploring planets in mass effect was the skyboxes. For as boring and drab as the landscape was, there was some gorgeous fucking stuff in the sky. Double stars, massive blue giant rising suns that took up a good chunk of the horizon.
A big gripe at the time of 2's release is that it seemed like instead of addressing a lot of the very valid criticisms and complaints about some of the mechanics they just removed them. In hindsight its because EA wanted it pushed out the door.

>>716447959
funny how well they did jack and how fucked up miranda was, despite miranda being the high profile one

>>716448453
I always thought she looked nice.
But a lot of people say she's a butterface so what do I know

>>716381835
I was so butthurt by the ending of 3 that I refuses to touch any of the DLC besides the one that "fixed" the ending.
Though I did play the multiplayer for a while. I think its a damn shame they didn't just release the multiplayer game as a placeholder title while they gave 3 another year of work.
Would have been great too because you could have the multiplayer set after the events of 2, and through episodic updates they could have a little bit of exposition dumps to build up hype for the third game, and offer some catch-up opportunity for people who were new to the series.
That way you don't have to make the third game such a hard restart because you've had the opportunity to catch up the call of duty audience EA wanted.
Then when the third game comes out, you release a new multiplayer bundled with it, so now you get all the people who picked up the game for the surprisingly fun multi-class horde shooter and all the fans of the mainline mass effect games.
Now you can have your crpg game be its own thing, while having the shooter elements blown up for multiplayer.

>>716444104
As someone who's main shep was a biotic, its pretty painful in 2 because everything has shields, and a lot of biotics won't go through shields.
In 2 my forever team was Garrus and Miranda because they could both spam overload, while I could get biotic combos with miranda.
If you give one of them the overloaded overload, and the other one the overload that skips, you can clear enemy shields fast enough to let you feel like a biotic god again.
In 3 it goes right back to being OP, and if you went into battle with just a hand cannon and upgrades your cooldown will be shorter than the casting animation.
In multiplayer you could pretty much solo every single level with lift and throw, while using warp or stasis on the big guys.

>>716439174
It is literally impossible to be a more aggressive class than manguard.

>>716381750 (OP)
You're right OP. I remember loving me2. I recently revisited 1 and 2 and could not finish 2 it was so shit

>>716381750 (OP)
I've been replaying the trilogy as an Adept. Really miss 3's multiplayer.

>>716450043
>youtube put a content warning with suicide hotlines on this
LMAO

>>716450275
>Really miss 3's multiplayer
why the fuck did they not bring it back? it was pretty popular wasn't it? the only thing people didn't like was how it tied into the singleplayer

What guns are the most fun across the series?

>>716450414
Fuck if I know man, can't be that much to run servers. Hell if they expanded it they could probably make it F2P and make money of loot boxes. EA's just retarded with ME, they have an entire universe to make all sorts of games (RTS, C-Sec game, ect) but instead we get half assed shit like Andromeda.

>>716450751
Snipers are always good. ARs are boring and bland but they are consistently decent.

>>716399991
Is this glitch even needed in LE? With the changes to how reputation and points work, you can still (for the most part) get both speech checks throughout your playthrough.

Probably one of the better changes they made IMO.

recently did a full 100% playthrough in LE of 1-3 with a bunch of mods and it solidified my belief that the trilogy is one of the greatest experiences in gaming. it sounds corny but the friendships, experiences and decisions you make throughout the 3 games are just so goddamn good.

citadel dlc genuinely being one of the best things i've ever played, given the context of playing 3 games prior to it.

>>716446434
You don't need any specific party members they are all fine. I played through the entire game insanity at least 5x over with Legion/Tali, Kasumi/Zaeed, Mordin/Jack and basically every character. And that was before Legendary Edtition giving you piratically infinte ammo. The secret is just bonus power warp ammo and ignore the red 'ineffective' display on powers. Like overload will be red against an robot enemy protected by armour by will still do tons of damage against it. Same with incinerate against shields and so on.

>>716431545
ME1 guns also feel infinitely more punchy and the physics work way better
shame all three games are essentially trash as shooters though

>>716451830
>ARs are boring and bland
Until you get the revenant and the chip that compensates for the recoil while using adrenaline rush

>>716450751
snipers and handguns

>>716452869
It was neat being able to turn an assault rifle into a laser beam, or your sniper rifle into a rocket launcher, or a shotgun into a flame thrower.

I haven't played ME1 since it came out on PS3 should I just play the original with some mods or the remaster

>>716454310
the ME1 remaster fucks up everything from the lighting to the difficulty
massive nerf, play the og

>>716454310
LE with some light mods
>>716454745
>difficulty
ME1 original was the most easy fucking game around with its broken mechanics lol, what are you talking about

>>716455238
>broken mechanics
where's your insanity run bro? LE changed a lot of enemy density and nerfed their damage and health even on the hardest diff because they fucked up the balance since you're meant to have a leveled up and geared up shepard for an insanity run

>>716423448
honestly just four months would have probably made all the difference

I want Miranda to crush my head with her ass.

>>716455570
The original still had shit like barrier that lasted longer than it's cooldown. Only hard part was that some stuff would just randomly one shot you I think the turrets on the Noveria were the ones that got me the most. Jumping out to kill enemies on foot/get loot and some shot from 5km away explodes and does 1000 damage even from 20 feet away from the explosion

>>716463446
This thread is still going, huh? Man, summer /v/ is slow these days.

>>716381750 (OP)
I played the trilogy like 6 times and 1-2 a few times more back in the day. With the remaster I 100%'ed the first game for the first time and goddamn it fucking sucks so bad beyond the main missions holy shit

>>716463842
Gameplay of the first is so painful.

>>716384369
Aussie here who left Australia decades ago.
I'll rephrase that to
>hot Aussie women are hot
Because most in Aus are Walmart tier.

>>716464207
I don't know if I disagree, as Yvonne's technically a kurwalandian, but then ...

>>716464560
I remember Queen Kylie and, well, maybe I do agree again. I can't speak for every Aussie woman.

>>716464634
Nevertheless, I am very thankful to have Yvonne, very thankful to have Miranda Lawson, very happy that their part of the franchise and how they were implemented. Every Mass Effect without them, will be that much poorer for it.
Fun fact: each ME after her appearance performed worse the less she was in it. The one that didn't have her at all, tanked a studio.
Coincidence? I think not.
Meanwhile, ME:A did have Liara and still tanked.

>>716464803
That being said, how do you all feel about Mass Effect being a dead franchise that EA will starve the next installment of?
Personally, I feel great. And I can't wait for the inevitable remake in 10 years that recasts the crew, severs all the attachment, and kills ME a second time. The future is so bright, I need sunglasses.

>>716464560
lol at a babe like Yvonne needing to do makeout scenes with some ugly nerd jew like that

>>716465104
The entire show of Chuck was about her doing awkward make out scenes with ugly nerds.
Fun fact: Zachary Levi isn't actually jewish, and a rather proud and devout Christian.
I'm not religious at all, but so long as he's not a nutjob evangelist, we're cool.

>>716465256
Btw, in Chuck she shows only a fraction of a fraction of her acting range. Really amazing in dramatic roles. Underrated and definitely one of the top actresses of her generation. I'd say
>Rosamund Pike
>Emily Blunt
>Yvonne Strahovski
And it's not even an exaggeration.

>>716465535
Goddamn. I mean, this woman ... for real, though.

>>716465834
I think we're all in agreement of that.

>>716381750 (OP)
>It's worse if you ignore the main appeal of a Bioware RPG
Thank you for this sterling insight

>>716465901
Eternally grateful that she's been immortalized, somewhat, in 3D.
We just need to get some better AI voice generation, which we will be getting in the near future, and we're set for life.

>>716466050
Mass Effect will be dead, Bioware will be dead, but Miranda Lawson will be here forever.

>>716466181
What will you anons be making, when we all get our personalized AI app thingies on our smartphones and tablets?

ME1's upgrades were largely just adding an extra 0.5-1% to skills and only had 2 'important' pips on the entire skill line. I actually didn't care ME2 streamlined that nonsense out.
But, ME2 buttfucked Biotics too hard. Biotics went from "I Win" in ME1 to lmao in ME2 since being Armored/Shielded neutered biotics.
Also Bioware switching over to ammo clips from the heat-gauge because they were too shit to balance heat dissipation in ME1...some guns could be modded to keep shooting indefinitely. Yeah, real "upgrade in technology" to switch over to having to use ammo instead of frictionless pew-pew laz0r never stops

>>716466385
I say this as the other issue with ME being a dead franchise is that the 3D stuff will disappear. I mean, not just that the animators will be replaced by AI, but with people leaving ME behind, people won't spend their money on 3D animators making ME smut.

>>716466726
I mean up until recently it was all Overwatch, because that sells, and now it's all Marvel Rivals.

>>716466803
Sorry that I don't engage in the gameplay discussion, but the games are of an age and play like games of their age. Even then, these things were talked about extensively back when the franchise was worth a damn. After ME3, nothing matters about the franchise.
Tie together 3 Mass Relays and use them to telescope Andromeda, bibbidi bobbidi boo

>>716467027
And yes, for those that didn't know, that's canon. That's how the Initiative found out the system they wanted to go to.

>>716467169
I also find it insane how the Council is not OK with people going into systems and activating Mass Relays, but (and this is Andromeda cope btw) the plan for Andromeda was always to go to another fucking galaxy, set up a Relay there, and make a trade route back to the Milky Way. No matter the fact that it would take 600 years to get there, the Initiative would be operating directly against Council space law, making it illegal.

>>716467370
So basically, the Initiative hired something like 100k criminals to go to Andromeda.
I mean, it checks out, because the moment they get there, they all turn to crime.
But the fact that this outfit found 100k of the smartest (who at the same time are the dumbest), gayest, troonest of criminals in the entire Milky Way is astounding.

>>716467514
Forgot to post a pic with it.

>>716467571
The initiative is such a fucking mess. And at the same time they managed to make the best Eezo drives in the Milky Way, twice as efficient as that of any other ship, which allowed them to travel twice the distance in a single day. Not to mention how all the guns are better, armors are better, they implemented jetpaks, CURED THE FUCKING GENOPHAGE, I mean come the fuck on, bro!

>>716467716
If the Initiative had just worked and stayed in the Milky Way, they could have beat the Reapers. Like it's insane how OP they made the Initiative in-universe.

>>716386105
they spend billions remaking you dont put any makeshifts incase you dont follow plan
fucking the gov trying to control what you wank to and you think some guy is not gonna control you

>>716468059
On that note, payment processors just publicly flagged anything that involved violence, blood and dismemberment.
Dragon Age: Origins and most good Star Wars games are now in violation of payment processor rules.
https://x.com/gelbooru/status/1948878208172192173

>>716391854
CRPGs
mass effect is not that

>>716454310
Original with mods the Legendary edition fucks it up

>>716468176
And that's just assuming that by Violence they mean some form of gore. Their idea of violence, especially if it includes cartoon violence, means you can't even play Asterix on Steam anymore.

I think MEA is a better game (gameplay wise) but ofc shit story well atleast its a main story vs me2's side quest

>>716381750 (OP)
ME2 has the worst combat of the series, worst weapon selection, weak weapon sounds

>>716386830
>>716423448
I actually like the fact that the suicide mission only happens once. It being one time occurrence makes loosing your companions sting that much further.

>>716468265
Forgot pic again.

>>716468289
I think ME:A, like ME3, has better gunplay, but that's a very superficial way of looking at gameplay, because that is one factor of many, and that includes level design, ecnounter design, enemy design, lock in animations, traversal, companion interactions etc. Yes, even dialogues are part of the gameplay. Some are better, most are worse.

>>716468442
Forgot pic AGAIN!
Get it together, man!

>>716468289
The combat might be better, but not to a significant degree. Regardless, I would still rather shoot and cover through hallways than drive around to pick up an item for an NPC.

>>716468176
apolgy for bad english
where were u wen gaming die?
I was on 4chan posting Miris when phone ring
Gaming is kil
No

>>716468442
>>716468512
never said its so much better like the 2nd anon said
The combat might be better, but not to a significant degree.
but most games dialogues is dog shit, playing wildlands atm and I remember nothing but Sam making a snake joke (and god this game is so fucking long near 50% done and spent nearly 5 hours driving, want it to be over with)

>>716468850
I remember playing Wildlands with 3 mates. We either fast traveled everywhere, or took helicopters. But yeah, the game is huge. We played it for over a year, but granted we only played once a week together.
We're going through Breakpoint now
Mass Effect 2 has some of the best dialogues in gaming, I think. I say this as someone that plays primarily RPGs, even the shitty low budget fantasy ones from the East block countries, to get my fix.
It's not Planescape Torment, where is line is a fucking masterpiece, but definitely top ten.
A couple of low budget RPGs I recommend are Blackguards 1&2. Yes, they are from the same studio that made Gollum. They're nothing like Gollum.

>>716381750 (OP)
I understand that ME2 has major problems with the main plot but I don't understand why you fags bash it to this extent. I still think its better than ME3

>we need shepard to fuck off for a while so we can have a "we're getting the band back together" plot
>ok umm he will just die and be resurrected by a human supremacy group as a cyborg
>and how will other characters react to this?
>like one line of dialogue i guess

The main plot of Mass Effect is stock and kind of stupid. Mass Effect 2 having very little to do with it is a good thing. Harbinger is also a better villain than Sovereign and doesn't have a silly lore dump where your characters stand still in front of a data pad while he tells you his plot.

i wish the original mass effect games were on gog so i can have drm-free mass effects

>>716470521
Being better than 3 is not a high bar to clear.

>>716381750 (OP)
>no multiplayer
Then whats the point? That shit was kino

>>716470521
3 sucks ass nigga

>>716381750 (OP)
The RPG elements are a thousand times more varied than in 1 that barely ever gives you any options.

How come Nihlus was such a retard? Did he not find it suspicious that a dude with geth tech on half his body randomly showed up on the same planet there was an attack?

>>716381750 (OP)
I don't really get why this game bothered to give you a sniper rifle when every single combat area is a 50 meter long corridor full of chest height walls.

The greatest tragedy was how they butchered the atmosphere though.

>>716468226
Read my post again, slowly.
Hint: it's about BioWare, not just Mass Effect.

>>716386105
>All of these writers would have been laughed out of any Star Trek or Babylon 5 writing rooms as talentless hacks
Star Trek literally hasn't been good in like four decades.

>>716478140
Since Enterprise.

>>716477884
I believe there was some manner of fuckup, in that Saren shouldn't have had the major synthetic parts until the final fight- where he says Sovereign upgraded him. The glowing husk eyes should obviously be present early on because they're a little more subtle.

More dumb was that Nihilus's hardsuit wasn't recording telemetry of any kind.

>>716381750 (OP)
nah its an upgrade
better than ME1 and only the most contrarian of boomers disagree

Reapers must've really liked that space squid civilization.

>>716381750 (OP)
Mass Effect 2 fully realized the potential of the most original and defining gameplay mechanic of the series which was the cinematic dialogue system. This was through its top tier companions, choice consequences and loyalty mechanic. So it was the best one of the 3

>>716478643
More like bioware was too lazy/ didn't have enough time to give unique models to the reaper fleets.

>>716480115
They definitely should've made a keeper reaper at the least.

>>716480115
yeah honestly they could've done it, sure there's several thousand of them but we never really see all of them, so they could've made each one somewhat unique

>>716388943
No Western developer ever does face models well.

>>716381750 (OP)
It’s the best entry because it focuses on BioWare’s strengths (party dynamics and character driven moments) rather than generic “ancient evil awakens” plots.

Let’s also not pretend that the RPG elements in the first game were unpolished and bogged down with fluff.

>>716481278
male shepard, liara and jack all had face models and look fine

>>716388943
To be fair it's not like they were working with a masterpiece to begin with.

>>716478643
Well, ME3 revealed that the Reapers are just them, but robots, so yeah.
Still ranks as the most disappointing answer to a mystery I've ever seen.

>>716477884
I think the original plan was for Saren to look like a normal Turian and by the end he was supposed to look like he normally does in the finished product after Sovereign fills him with Reaper tech to indoctrinate him further. But for whatever reason Bioware just chose to make him look like he always had the Reaper tech in him from the beginning.

>>716482764
Agreed. Imagine looking at this and thinking this is in any way workable, or even acceptable.

>>716478643
To be fair it's inline with the reapers being Cthulu inspired in their design and mind control powers

>>716483113
yeah there's a mod for this, he starts out looking completely normal, then later gets eye implants and by the end all the tubes and stuff in his body

>>716483236
I think she's a gorgeous woman, /v/

>>716485245
Mom of 3 young blond boys, by the way.
Imagine if she gave you 3 boys.

>>716485556
I don't think I'd care as much about Mass Effect without her.

>>716386105
The main plot is complete trash, but even worse it's also utterly pointless. The status quo for the characters(That aren't dead) and the world is basically identical at the end of 2 and 1.

>bought the legendary edition during the last steam sale
>went to install it
>it launches an EA app installation
>EA won't install because it's a broken piece of shit
>finally works after restarting install 5 times
>need to create an EA account
>must be online to play
Refunded

2 is the best, everyone thinks Shep is a schizo who preaches the end of the universe and nobody believed him, even Cerberus.

>>716489340
wtf, that literally did not happen

>>716381750 (OP)
ME2 is the best in the series by far. ME1 is overrated.

Why make a "genetically perfect" woman and then make her unable to have kids?

>>716488487
Why aren't you just playing the game on Xbox 360 where you already own it and it looks and plays the way it is supposed to?

>>716491525
I figure he didn't mean to make her sterile and injecting her with early top of the line biotics at around the point biotics were first being discovered in humans was probably the cause

>2 should've been about running around fixing the galaxy's problems and uniting the races ahead of the Reaper invasion
>instead it's about something entirely unrelated that has no relation to or impact on the overarching plot
>Shepard is inexplicably dismissed as a crackpot conspiracy theorist (and also killed for two years and the Normandy destroyed because ??????)
>3 has to speed run the "unite the galaxy" AND the "fight the Reapers" parts to make up for it

>>716466669
The ME1 system had progression where as it was easy to level up in ME2 and get absolutely nothing for it because rof the retarded leveling system
>streamlined
Odd way to say "made to be fucking boring and shit". Literally the only thing good it did was having branching evos and a signature ability for classes, it sucked fucking dick otherwise. Having 2 of my like now 5 abilities become fucking fire and ice ammo, which were customizable ammo types in ME1, is DOGSHIT and anyone defending the casualization and downgrade of RPG elements to be a shitty fucking gears of war clone needs to never speak of vidya game design again. It was SHIT.

>>716493745
In all honesty, qwe should have gotten like 5-6 games of Shepard running around the Galaxy fixing shit and amassing allies, THEN have a final game. There was plenty of room lore wise for many games. Only problem would have been having games across multiple consoles for consolefags, but you can just release "remasters" and double dip on profits, easy.

>>716493745
It really should have, they could even kee the collector plot line since it would easily fit into a multipart side quest. 2s plot really does feel like one of the multipart side quests from ME1. Man I fucking love the biotic terrorist side plot. That’s final showdown with them on insanity is always fun
>I WILL DESTROY YOU
>GO GO GO
>I WILL DESTROY YOU
>I WILL DESTROY YOU
>GO GO GO

>>716494973
ENEMIES EVERYWHERE

>>716494973
did they reduce these lines in LE? i just replayed it and practically never heard them

>stunt jumps with the mako
>giant alien boss battles with the mako
>moon base raids with the mako
>obliterate astronauts with the mako
>planet exploration with the mako
OP has shit tastes.

I got to some alien ship then just randomly got bored because my class was dumpstering everything but in an extremely mindless way, but you can;t switch class

>>716497285
why didn't you just up the difficulty

>>716381750 (OP)
Mass Effect was never a good series to begin with. It was just a cope response after when Bioware knew they couldn't make any more KOTOR games besides the mmo. Hell ME is basically a scuffed Star Trek too that took the worst parts of it and Battlestar.

>>716497903
star trek is shit and mass effect is good thoughever

>>716381750 (OP)
Mass Effect should never have been three completely separate games that have wildly different design approaches. It should have been ME1, with 2 and 3 being expansion packs. If it were made today, ironically, there's a chance of that approach getting implemented

>>716498006
There both shit. Difference is Star Trek still makes content while Mass Effect is dead outside the tv show which will only cover the first three games.

>>716498257
why did you post a gif of me as response

>>716389023
They hate you because you speak the truth. Have you ever noticed no one bitched about the Mako sections in main mission planets? The level design there gave them a tighter experience.
But you and I know that true adventures are rugged, and the reward is the horizon

>>716387121
>I liked the collectors being Prothean versions of the Keepers
I liked it too, until I realised it was a completely pointless detail.

>>716386105
>Find a derelict reaper
>Do nothing with it
Based retard writers.

>thread full of AI slop
have some fucking standards man
none of that shit looks good

Is it worth pointing out that none of the team made any sense? Okay, TIM wants you to assemble a team to take out the Collectors - what are they supposed to do?

Mordin is the only one that feels appropriately picked, because he counteracts their paralysis. But the rest? Everyone else just kills bad guys. Did TIM not think of a dedicated hacker, or a demolitions expert, or an Omega-4 Relay expert, or anything? No, he just picks people with high profiles because he knows the plot in advance because the writers gave him the script.

ME2 did the right thing by ditching the Reapers and focusing on exploring the actual setting. It could've used more rpg elements, sure, but the sheer amount of different scenarios you visit is insane and more than makes up for its downsides.

>>716381750 (OP)
>thread created one day and 10 hours ago
>still up
what is this, /vrpg/?

>>716499416
Are you retarded? They didn't ditch the Reapers, they put them front and center. ME1 pointed out they were still out there, but it didn't say they were right next door, it could have left them mostly trapped in dark space and need any amount of time to reach us. ME2's biggest failing in terms of the trilogy is that it escalates the reapers to being within 1-2 years of reaching us, while having us do fuck-all to prepare for them

>>716499849
The entire ME1's narrative is about the Reapers, but they are a very minor endgame part of 2. The vast majority of 2 is about completely different settings and sceneries.

>>716497903
This. Only reason ME gets mentioned like most things is because of the girls in it. Take the girls out, and this would a complete hogwash of a franchise.

>>716500090
The overarching narrative set in ME2 is that the Reapers are on their way. The Collectors are immediate, yes, but the game reveals everything they're up to as a distraction. And most damning of all, the eending shows the reapers are on their way and will get here at any moment. How does that not upend everything you fought for? In fact, how did you forget about that during the earlygame?

>500
nice thread

>>716500924
>The overarching narrative set in ME2 is that the Reapers are on their way
The overarching narrative in ME2 shows up like 3 times in a 40 hours long game