Why did you stop playing World of Warcraft?

endless daily and weekly grinds in bfa felt like a job

>>716390873 (OP)
They added blood elves to the horde

I want to play other games and grinding M+ above +12 feels like a chore. I dont want to learn every single mechanic of every mob and every route and timing for healing and healing overlap

>>716390873 (OP)
The plot took a nose dive as soon as they started putting Elves and Elf characters at the forefront of every narrative. It left other characters becoming undeveloped stagnant messes and entire races having no storylines in years.
TBC was their first attempt at it, but honestly Legion kicked off ten years of world of Elfcraft with constant Night Elf, Void Elf, Blood Elf, etc etc shilling.
Sadly this just resulted in the franchise losing the core of what it was, gone were the days of Orcs and Humans, Warcraft. Everything had to become peaceful so the female writers mary sue Elf OCs, or characters they self inserted into could never go through any actual conflict instead constantly have the universe bend around them and justify what ever they do.

A game can have good gameplay, but it's setting is only as interesting as the writing allows and unfortunately Elf faggotry and by extension cosmic faggotry constantly surrounding Elves has made the setting nothing but a boring repetitive mess.

>>716390873 (OP)
it wasn't just the same game anymore after dungeon finder

I got tired of only being able to play on Blizzard's schedule.

>>716390873 (OP)
Blizzard couldn't stop fucking up warriors while pampering dks and pallys.
There's only so much bs a man can endure.

my brain grew to adult size

>>716391082
For me it's just the peak of the iceberg.

Because i beat Arthas and Blizzard died the moment it sold itself to Activision.

I wished I lived in a world where all people looked like Blood Elves, I have ugly fatigue.

I think the inclusion of Blood Elves into the Horde was competently written and i'm tired of pretending it wasn't.

>>716391237
It already took a nosedive with changes in TBC, drastic changes in Cataclysm and from that point on it simply got worse story and lore-wise. Gameplay is a different can that has its own share of downgrades.

>>716391838
Maybe get rid of the mirrors in your house then

>>716391082
actually this, I played Burning Crusade for a grand total of a few months and then went and did something else with my time.

>>716391892
>belves joining the one faction that tried to genocide them out of existence is competently written
Go on.
For me, personally, it was nelves suddenly becoming this expansionist, ultra militarist race that is now invading and slaughtering other races, ib case of TBC, belf lands.

>>716391892
True, the Draenei coming to Azeroth on their ship also fit into the lore of TBC too.

>>716391237
Night Elves have done more damage to this IP than any other race and I'm tired of pretending other-wise.
Adding them in Warcraft 3 was a mistake

>>716390873 (OP)
They doubled down on the woketrash.
I was okay with some of it but they went full out during bfa and boosted it up during shadowlands. Changing the paintings and the tranny plotline was the last drop for me.
Seeing dragonflight upped the antics even more felt like dodging a bullet. Funny how the game itself cleared me of my addiction.

>>716391956
They joined the Horde because they were about to be overrun by the Scourge, and Sylvanas Windrunner -a former High Elf that died defending Quel'Thalas and the leader of a faction of victims of the same Scourge- offered to help as she was in the most geographical advantageous position to do so.

>>716390873 (OP)
Trannies niggers fags and turning it from warcraft into soap opera bullshit drama and of course butchery of my favourite characters

>>716392024

>>716390873 (OP)
How is the new patch looking? I have war within so I was thinking that I might subscribe for a month.

I had sex and it changed my life

>>716390873 (OP)
cause it sucked.
and got a fulltime job
and final nail; my based og 10yo guild fell apart during WoD and pretty much everybody left
/endliferant

I had sex and continued to play WoW.

>>716392146
You don't need to worry about cloak drops in your vault because they're giving you a mandatory cloak that's required for content and everyone has to use.
Story's still ass and to the point they even acknowledge the set up for the final patch of the expansion is an asspull in game.

>>716392118
I dont know whats worse tho.
The "not sideshave" alleria or "i can be anything but close to be a cripple" khadgar.

>>716392118
THIS should be posted right next to OP. thats it. if nothing else, this alone is enough to fuck off 5ever
/thread

Every single named character from the first three games has appeared in WoW except Garithos. Why?

>>716391927

>>716390873 (OP)
I got older and lost all the excitement of exploring Azeroth. Also the new character models looked off to me.
Sometimes I get a sting of nostalgia for it but after trying to jump back in on a private server once, I realized it's just not the same and WoW is strictly a thing of past for me

Because the game deleted my dartol's rod of transformation from my vanilla rogue and the GMs basically said "tough shit"

>>716392302
Garithos was anti-Elf.
There's nothing the writers hate more than characters used to shitpost against their pet races

>>716392326
SPYRLOS!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxfQPBItFfE

Cata pre-patch.

>go to wowhead for the first time in years
>see this

>No high elf
>No ogre
>No naga
>No furbolg
>No merloc
>No sethrak
>No tuskarr
>No (real) draenei
>No arakkoa
>No ethereal
But at least we get void elves and vulpera.

>>716390873 (OP)
WotLK went to shit around the Trial of the Crusader patch and I stopped having fun. Doesn't help that Blizzard fucked over Corruption because fucktards were complaining that it was "too hard" to keep track of multiple DoTs. Honestly, that's probably when Blizzard died to me as a respectable developer. They specifically said that the concept of a spec performing better but also taking more skill to pull off was bad, because retards would feel left out

>>716392614
Insane that ogres still arent playable

>>716390873 (OP)
Live is a joke and Ascension is better then classic.

>>716390873 (OP)
I didn't, I just stopped paying Blizzard for it.

>>716392717
Did they at least do the Mok'nathal?

>>716390873 (OP)
/v/ invaded Wurm Online back in 2011 or so, I quit WoW that very night after I got a taste of the sandbox

I want to procreate with a Blood Elf

>>716392869
No. Instead they added earthen, which would be mildly cool if they didnt look horrible
Mok'nathal would be fucking perfect too if the devs were concerned about ogres size

>>716393113
It makes too much sense. And of course blizzard are too much of a bunch of breast milk huffing retards to think of it.

>>716392869
Blizzard hasn't added a race actually intended for the Horde since BFA which is over half a decade ago.
The last two races they've been slapped with were primarily intended for Alliance and just made neutral because they cba to write Horde proper into the most recent expansions

>>716390873 (OP)
When I realized I'm paying a subscription for a second job basically. Somewhere between late wotlk and early cata.

>>716390873 (OP)
When Blizzard did what literally no one asked them to do and fomo'd their own game world in Cataclysm.

didnt stop playing it, just stopped paying for it.
whenever I have the itch I just load up the a repack I downloaded and hang out with my group of waifus.

>>716392302
Aiden hasn't.

And some Horde characters haven't appeared either if you don't count WoD.

>>716390873 (OP)
In Cata. I quit because most of my friends quit and they were the only reason I was playing that POS game from the start.

>>716390873 (OP)
It stopped being a world and became an instanced slot machine where you keep pulling the same lever over and over again.

Teleporting into instances without teamwork killed most of it and layering the servers was the last nail into the coffin.

>>716390873 (OP)
>Game became less class exclusive, so classes don't feel exclusive anymore
>Bloated world with too much to do yet no realistic chance of doing everything (or doing it productively, when you're the right level)
>Game became more singleplayer oriented with each expansion
>LFR
>LFG (as norm) instead of interacting organically with people to form parties
>Cross-server interaction instead of seeing the same people around all the time because you're on the same server
>Game became too hard for me (kek)
>Game has retained its core "either no-life completely or don't bother trying to keep up with NEET players" system, and I can't compete (which isn't a bad thing, I always loved that about it tbf)
>Lore/story took quite the nosedive consistently

cinematics, music, and atmosphere has remained peak throughout its existance though.

>>716390873 (OP)
it turned into a dogshit treadmill simulator for cattle (worse than the average mmo) and now that's all it has left

>>716391039
They changed those in the previous expansion, now they last several days so people can do them whenever they feel like it rather than feeling forced to do them every day.

>>716390873 (OP)
Loved Legion.
I hoped BFA was going to be Legion plus but it was not. It was Legion minus. I quit after my sub ran out before even the first major patch. Legit worst expansion and I played all the way through Cata.

>>716398285
it was already like that in BFA

What are some good sub 1X xp rate servers?

>>716398376
>I love legion
>but Legion 2 is the worst
your brain doesnt work
BFA was just legion without the legendary dogshit and AP wasnt spec locked, which are what people complained about in Legion

>>716398463
My brain works just fine.
Loved Legion for the focus on class fantasy; class halls and artifacts. You know the last time the game provided any narrative focus on my fucking class? It was goddamn Cataclysm. None of that was in BFA, and even the faction war was piss weak.
>and AP wasnt spec locked, which are what people complained about in Legion
I wasn't a mythic raider so the AP and Lego grind never affected me as much. In fact it's the expansion I dialed raiding back just to play every other class.
Oh and Demonhunters were fun as fuck.

>>716391892
I agree and the real big problem is Dreanai joining the alliance. The alliance where established to be pretty xenophobic and heavy worshippers of the light. Then a race of blue futa cock goat squids from space crash lands on their planet and tell them that their alien wind chime is the actual real demi god of light. Instead of the alliance freaking the fuck out or completely devastated that their entire religion is invalid they just accept them in with open arms and don't question a damn thing.

Also if it was up to me I would not have given the Blood Elves the sunwell back. Them being coke addicts and having to resort to siphoning magic from other beings or using demon magic is more interesting. If WoW was actually cool like older MMOs I think having a cast system dependant on what magic they consume would make the BE more interesting as well.

>>716398763
class halls were dogshit you retarded redditor. The class hall story was copypasted each time between them
It was do some mission table shit -> get an item from a legion dungeon -> another round of mission table shit -> final quest, something something dreadlord was behind it. Or if you were really lucky you were a priest and the end quest was just a humiliation ritual
>You know the last time the game provided any narrative focus on my fucking class
except it didnt do that, because your class did fuck all in Legion, Thalyssra and Illidan did everything
>I wasn't a mythic raider so the AP and Lego grind never affected me as much
Translation: I didnt actually play the expansion I supposedly loved, but a streamer told me it was good
Yeah sorry retard but game mechanics like having to regrind my artifact to swap specs sucked fucking ass, you would realize this if you actually played the game

>>716391237
I hate what they did to Staghelm
Fuck Malfurion, fuck Tyrande and fuck Illidan top

I don't understand people who complain about the story in classic wow. vanilla wow doesn't even have much of a story, most of the story boils down to "these intelligent creatures are bothering me, go commit genocide"

>dont like raiding
>dont like m+
>dont like pillarhugging
I just stopped lying to myself that I do. All I ever enjoyed in wow was leveling and battlegrounds. Both of these are abysmal in retail

>>716391237
The plot took of nosedive in Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne if you have any standards. But yeah it just got worse and worse, point of no return was WoD though, imo.

>>716399862
I prefer raiding in classic over retail desu

>>716390873 (OP)
It got worse with every expansion

>>716399893
wod was just the logical extension of giving dragons magical time travel powers in the first place
someone went back and fucked up the timeline was the plot of every caverns off time dungeon in tbc and wrath, its just this time we didnt happen to stop it just in time

>"heh, eell you see, the lore said..."
Daily reminder that the actual reason horde got Belves was because worst koreans complained their gf's were refusing to play the game with them.
Which isn't surprising seeing how soulless, insectoids immediatelly started minmaxing and autisming it up and choose horde for it's hialriously op racials. Turns out girls don't want to play as cows, corpses and subhumans.

>>716399931
well the reason I dont play classic is because I play "meme" specs. Also kind of burnt out on slow as shit 1 button classic gameplay.

>>716400170
the gameplay itself is more engaging in retail but the reward is way worse. the same exact stats but 5 more ilvls? wowie zowie! getting rhok'delar felt a million times better than any item in retail ever did

idk I just prefer classic cause it's more rewarding item wise

Did it get retconned that Belves are demonic? I remember it used to be that the only thing keeping their civilisation going was demonic magic, that’s why they have a green glow in their eyes.

>>716400315
rhokdelar is just a regular statstick, it has absolutely nothing unique about it
>idk I just prefer classic cause it's more rewarding item wise
but its not, evidently
Retail you get bows like
https://www.wowhead.com/item=195527/neltharax-enemy-of-the-sky
powerful and mechanically unique, Rhokdelar doesnt come close

>>716390873 (OP)
I never started

>>716400315
I agree. Classic is way more rewarding its not even close. I despise that modern mmos make content so fast and braindead its impossible for you to die outside of high end gameplay. I think retail just fried my brain over the years because I need to mash buttons like a monkey to derive enjoyment from killing mobs

>>716390873 (OP)
Because they made the female worgen run animation look stupid
No I'm not kidding, that was seriously the final straw for me. I couldn't even have the simple pleasure of just looking at my character anymore

>>716400850
there isnt a single piece of content that isnt braindead in classic though?

>>716390873 (OP)
i didn't

my guild just did our first prog run of the newly opened AQ40 on the anniversary servers last night, unfortunately a lot of the player base on anniversary if you're looking for a casual guild are extremely retarded literal 50+ year old boomers and people on drugs who are smoking weed during raids, we one shot everything until twin emps, where some fucking incompetent boob kept dragging one of them into the center of the room somehow, also they just cant comprehend how to deal with the bugs, lord save me

>>716400708
idk there's just something about retails itemization that doesn't feel as satisfying compared to classic. I know most of vanillas items are just stat sticks but I also really enjoy turn-based RPGs so simple itemization never really bothered me

>>716400850
yeah exactly, it's like what's the point in getting more defense and HP as a tank when nothing really hurts you anyway?

>>716400942
ehh I dont disagree exactly. Im a simple man. Its enough for me to have to think about what mobs to pull/cc because you die if you accidently pull 3. It feels way more engaging than pulling 20 mobs and AOEing them like in retoilet

>>716401090
>idk there's just something about retails itemization that doesn't feel as satisfying compared to classic
ad hoc cope, youre desperate to find something to defend classic so you make things up
Unfortunately everything you say is patently untrue
>so simple itemization never really bothered me
then why did you complain about retail supposedly being simple itemization in the first place?
>like what's the point in getting more defense and HP as a tank when nothing really hurts you anyway?
youre talking about classic again, where people tank in DPS spec, right?
Not retail, where things actually hurt tanks

>>716399324
Truthnvke
>play Legion at launch
>Its just Diablo 3 - World of Warcraft Edition (the xpack was literally directed by Jay "fuck that loser" Wilson by the way)
>All the retards nostalgic for it
>BfA was more of the same
>Same retards eating the legionslop hate it because they realize its actually a treadmill with no reward

I quit cata after dragon soul in retail because it sucked.

I keep playing vanilla-wotlk private servers because they're good.

>>716401289
>youre desperate to find something to defend classic so you make things up
how am I making that up? I just don't enjoy getting upgrades in retail as much as I do in classic. I could write a dissertation on why I don't like it as much

>then why did you complain about retail supposedly being simple itemization in the first place?
retails items are much more boring despite the fact that they're also simple. getting 1% more crit in vanilla feels really cool over just getting a few extra crit or haste or whatever the fuck that you barely notice

>youre talking about classic again, where people tank in DPS spec, right?
Not retail, where things actually hurt tanks
furyprot wasn't an intended thing and was only found out about many years after vanilla completed. We were also playing on a later patch of vanilla in classic where most of the raids and dungeons were nerfed while our toons were buffed. If you want a better comparison of what I'm talking about then probably TBC heroics at launch where it's almost as simple as vanilla but shit hits super fucking hard

>>716401289
whoops meant to reply to this anon >>716401316

>>716401289
>Its enough for me to have to think about what mobs to pull
people pull entire instances in classic so this isnt a thing. This nonsense classic mythos has been completely debunked since 2019 I dont know why you think you can pretend its a thing still
>It feels way more engaging than pulling 20 mobs and AOEing them like in retoilet
there is objectively less going on in any classic pull than a retail pull. Straightforward AoE cleave is the standard for classic, in retail you have kicks, stops, dispels, ground aoes to dodge, everything going off constantly while trying to do damage
And a single cast going off can instantly wipe a pull, so not overpulling for the amount of interrupts and CC you have is absolutely mandatory
Theres nothing engaging about sitting there channeling blizzard against training dummy enemies

>>716390873 (OP)
I had about 8k hours since vanilla. I quit the second they started censoring characters and paintings.

>>716401683
>how am I making that up?
you pretended rhok'delar, a basic stat stick, was more interesting than retail, which constantly has unique items
>retails items are much more boring despite the fact that they're also simple
already proven theyre less simple, not sure why youre trying to double down
I can name plenty more items with mechanical game play altering effects
>getting 1% more crit in vanilla feels really cool
No it doesnt, 1% crit is nothing. Again this is ad hoc cope, 1% crit is unnoticable in all versions of the game
Theres also already a ranged weapon in MC that gives 1% crit, the difference is Rhok'delar has more AP so its even MORE passive and unnoticeable, Rhok is just a stronger stat stick than the other stat stick
> just getting a few extra crit or haste or whatever the fuck that you barely notice
The damage gain from Neltharax was massive btw, so much so that it got nerfed from its original version. It was very noticeable, so much so that it caused an uproar
>furyprot wasn't an intended thing
Not really relevant is it? The fact is they made the damage and defensive requirements so fucking low that it works
>If you want a better comparison of what I'm talking about then probably TBC heroics at launch where it's almost as simple as vanilla but shit hits super fucking hard
The only thing that hits hard in TBC heroics is the shadow elemental boss in Auchenai or whatever, because it ignores all your defenses and you need shadow res. Everything else is weak as fuck

>>716401814
>people pull entire instances in classic so this isnt a thing
they do and it was a jarring experience. Another reason why classic is an abomination. People didnt play like that in 2005
>there is objectively less going on in any classic
yes and you could say theres actually too much going on in retail because high m+ is cancerous addon monstrosity

You are talking about group content while I was talking about leveling mostly. I understand why retail players dont even acknowledge its a part of the game but I honestly believe it should be relevant

>>716400502
At the end of TBC the characters from the Warcraft manga show up and it turns out the MC girl is actually the sunwell, so her and the Naruu the BE kidnapped sacrifice themselves to make a new sunwell that is light instead of mana.

>>716390873 (OP)
They removed 40 man level 1 gnome raids in Cataclysm I think, and that was what I lived for

>>716391927

Got em.

>>716390873 (OP)
The "game" is literally just spamming m+ and raids and that just isn't fun to me.

>>716402974
> People didnt play like that in 2005
people were bad at the game and playing on dial up and 2k ms
>but I honestly believe it should be relevant
because youre skill checked, hence why you cant keep up in M+?
Leveling is complete shit, solo play in an MMO is always bad
and mages can easily AoE grind to level, other classes were just blatantly undeveloped

>>716404172
>people were bad at the game and playing on dial up and 2k ms
yeah I guess we did, but we didnt after all. Can you blame a nigga for having a dream?
>because youre skill checked, hence why you cant keep up in M+?
I think the highest I got was 23 in BFA. Its just not fun

wow is kind of shit desu. Maybe it was never good and I was just addicted

>>716391082
Why would they join the alliance after getting fucked over by them and when there's a huge chunk of horde owned territory right at their doorstep pretty much?
Also they fit in horde. They're crack addicted assholes that just lost 90% of their population and are completely okay with doing heinous shit to survive and to feed their crack addiction.
They're disgusting degenerates.
If they joined alliance they'd be thrown out year two.

Because if I wanted terrible combat I would just play RuneScape and have other shit to do for variety.

>>716390873 (OP)
Rural internet

I don't like paying over and over for a game I already bought, it feels bad

>>716390873 (OP)
shadowlands sucked so much dick i knew the game was done.

>>716404781
>Muh forced duality
Most of the worthwhile inhabitants of that fucking world are Either neutral or hostile. This forced horde vs alliance got old during Warcraft 2

>>716391082
The retards who post this obvious bait each time quite literally didnt even play WC3.

>>716391956
>one faction
>Horde in WoW is same Horde as WC2
retard alert.

>>716399324
>you would realize this if you actually played the game
This. I quit in legion for the 2nd time. Theres a subset of asmon types who think legion was good for some reason.

>>716407096
>legion was good for some reason.
Legion had content which is why I liked it. Expansion launch was fun as always. I unsubbed a couple of months into it because I was studying for uni so skipped Emerald nightmare and most of nighthold. Subbed again in summer for tomb of sargeras. Both that tier and antorus were good.

>>716407568
The dailies and grind in that stupid nightborne city was so annoying. Same thing every time in that ugly place with that underground base. Stormheim was cool though but wasted potential with muh elves everywhere.

>>716390873 (OP)
>Why did you stop playing World of Warcraft?
It became clear that straight males weren't the target demographic anymore, especially if they were white. Plus, the old guard were all gone, so the minds that created the game i liked disappeared, which means that from that point on, the game wouldn't be the same. Would you stay married to a person who changes 100%? It's just not the same game, why play it?

>>716407568
>Legion had content
So did BFA. Both expansions had 4 tiers plus a mini raid
They were extremely similar

There is a huge chunk of people that base their opinions on an expansion just off of vibe and not gameplay, and that includes community vibe.
Its one thing to prefer Legion over BFA because you like fighting the Legion more than the faction war, but when retards put one as the best expansion and the other as one of the worst its obvious they have never actually played the game and just like to fit in

I still play but not really frequently right now, despite the event where you are more likely to get raid mounts I just don't feel like playing right now. I did the zandalar raid a couple times and no mount and that shit is a slog to farm through.

I basically quit in wrath and then played heroes of newerth and vanilla private servers. Tried to come back to WoD but the magic was gone at that point.

>no ass or breast sliders
>stat inflation
>UI went to shit some time after I quit in 2010

>>716404781
They only added blood elves to balance the player numbers. Despite the Horde having better racials, transportation, dungeons locations, and shamans, most people in Vanilla played Alliance.

Goblins and Ogres made more sense and already had been worked on to be launched as playable races, but the Horde had no "pretty" race.

Blood Elves instantly became the most played race and have never come down since.

One of my biggest complaints along with flying outside of Outland.

Mostly because I didn't have the time. Too many other games to play. But I really quit around shadow lands and when the alliance got void elves instead of high elves. I always wanted to be an alliance high elf, but the excuse was there wasn't enough left alive. But instead we got a small crack team faction of void blood elves.

>>716390873 (OP)

Married with a wife and house so I no longer have time for mythic raiding but
I still play it casually nearly every major patch release. This last patch I got 3k io and AOTC then called it.

>>716396819
>Had Gnome character I used for memes.
>Called him "Gnohomo".
>Guild loved it.
>Went raiding with "Gnohomo".
>Every time we had a new person join, they raided with Gnohomo. All call outs were directed to Gnohomo. The joke got old but it was funny.
>That was in Cataclysm.
>Get nostalgic.
>Forget that not many people have this humor, and boot up Gnohomo.
>I'm in Stormwind walking around, someone asks me why I have the name i do.
>Told em it was an old joke.
>Not long after, get a Blizz Whisper.
>No RP like before, no "Salutations!" Just straight to business.
>Asks me why I'm "Offensively named".
>Said that I made him back in Cata and the filters were far more relaxed. Hes just an old joke and won't log back into him when I'm done with my nostalgia walk.
>Get told that's no good, and that I have to change his name. They'll let me do it for free.
>Argue for a bit that it's pronounced(RP server) as NN-'om'-ah, and not offensive at all, but no avail.
>I'm logged out and next time I'm in, i gotta change his name.
>Call him Gnolesbo.
>Log back in.
>Blue ticket.
>"Seriously?"
>"I've been on here longer than you, Blue Man, this is the humor of the ancients. Now excuse me, a Naga stole my bike."
>Banned for three months.
>Get an email sent about offensiveness and that I need to be a better person or some shit.
>Cancel my account, back up my characters, saved them to a hard drive.
If I ever go on a private server, he's still safe.

>>716410036
None of this ever happened
When you get flagged for a name change it just pops up they dont message you

>>716396819
no-life what, exactly?

i already beat the game and cata looked like shit

>>716410404
Next you'll say that the Blue guy messaging me about stalking bots in SoD never messaged me either.

>>716410404
This. I had bad names get flagged and they just prevent you from logging in until you change it. No even messages you.

In either case I hate names that are memes or cringey jokes like that. Make a real character name. Its the same type of people who make ugly characters in the customizer because its "le funny".

Blizzard sold to Activision and then it turned out there were a metric fuckton of government agents in their executive circles. Nobody seems to like talking about the glowies in the executive circles on /v/ though too uncomfortable and too close to Something Actually Happening I'm guessing so instead I'll settle for saying Bobby Kotick is a flappy eared little gremlin whose idea of turning Activision profitable was to turn it into a fucking slot machine for himself and his buddies, same as every other soulless corporate executive. It doesn't matter that they make a lot of money when none of it reaches anybody but the fucking executives. Did you see Bobby freak out when the UK blocked the merger and it looked for a moment like he wasn't going to get his golden parachute? Christ.

>>716408561
not everyone is an autistic mythic raider treating this game as a second job. Normal people play video games for the "vibes"

I have no friends, also fucking Worgen wouldn't stop sexually harassing me.

>>716392557
Bet her husband's white.

Gnome women belong to human men

>>716390873 (OP)
I stopped paying attention to the story after Legion. Even Panderia was hard to care about.
Its also become progressively harder to interact with the community. Mythic+ ramped up the cancer that is raider io and other sorts of autistic metrics.

>>716390873 (OP)
>wow this azerite system is pretty fucking shit, any way you can improve it Ian?
>hmmm no its my system and its perfect none of you are right
>6+ months of garbage play and subs tanking gives in and gives people what they want to try fix the system being shit
>wow this covenant system is kinda shit Ian, what if my characters different specs require different covenants which have a really shitty system to unlock+grind, could you just make that a nonissue?
>hmm no my covenant system is perfect and none of you are right
>9+ months of garbage content and watching subs tanking on top of the funny blizzard milk leaks, gives in and makes switching covenants a nonissue like people wanted
I stopped before dragonflight came out, im assuming the game had the same shitty treadmill with lead dev pushing his shitty system and not changing anything

>>716390873 (OP)
i got really bored during the lich king expansion. my honest opinion is that the game peaked with burning crusade and only went downhill since then

https://youtu.be/bAUMih1Coqk?si=9KT7qKPHqXB-Xavo

>>716411731
My man

I am playing though. I mostly just look for lewd gear for one of my toons. I should've rolled warrior or paladin, there is so much skimpy plate armor in classic.

I started in TBC originally and learned the game, my real life friends quit and I had a ton of fun finding friends in WotLK, then I hated what they did to my class (Hunter) in Cataclysm so much that I stopped playing

I wasn't going to get interested in Classic originally, but COVID work from home gave me a shitload of free time so I ended up playing again. I absolutely loved vanilla classic, was the second person on my server to hit PvP R14, raided and made a ton of friends that I still talk to 6 years later.

Completely lost interest in TBC, world PvP sucked because of flying, BGs weren't as fun because you didn't really get any meaningful progression out of them, the raids were alright and I kept going because my friends were still playing but I mostly raidlogged. Played through WotLK purely out of nostalgia, killed Heroic LK on 10 man with the few remaining friends from Classic pretty early on and we all uninstalled on the spot.

I tried retail for a few hours but couldn't get into it. I hate M+, I hate not having a BiS list, I hate LFG/LFR. I need clear tangible goals that I can achieve and feel good about in an MMO.

>>716414380
>I hate not having a BiS list,
What do you mean? Retail has a BiS still.

>>716414508
The only time I tried retail was in Legion and there was some bullshit about wanting the same item but randomly upgraded 50 times

>>716414380
I was kinda forced to play on a pvp server during TBC and I had to give up on farming motes of shadow because I got attacked constantly by the horde whenever I tried. Sometimes I think people who say flying ruined world pvp never actually played the game

>>716414892
My main problem wasn't with flying actually, it was more with layering. Before TBC I was playing on a backwoods small population server, my guild was "forced" to transfer in TBC to a bigger server that had layers. I would kill someone at a farming spot once or twice, they would fly up in the air and then disappear to another layer.

Instead of "hey this asshole keeps killing me, someone come help me out", the game turned into "layer pls".

>>716408561
Both Legion and BFA were great for casualbvlls. Although I missed artifact weapon and legendaries in BFA.

>>716414778
Ohh the artifact stuff. Yeah I hated that. Theres sort of a legendary item right now. Belt and a cape next patch but still a BiS list for every other slot, esp trinkets.

>>716415280
It wasn't the artifact, it was Runeforged? Titanforged? Supercharged? Warforged? It was just the same exact item with slightly higher stats, but it could upgrade multiple times. I distinctly remember someone telling me that I got something that "would've been bis if it whateverforged"

10 years ago, realized WoW turned into a figurative mobile game. Stupid daily mobile-tier chores and everything being instanced content.

I quit wow twice. The first was in cataclysm, I couldn't stomach how they changed the world nor I liked the new talent trees.
Then I came back, played through the last weeks of WoD, all of legion, and then I quit cold turkey while levelling in BFA. I remember asking myself "why am I even doing all of this" and quit.

I tried anniversary recently, as I started in tbc and did 0 raid content until wrath, so I wanted to give vanilla a shot. It's good but way too easy for modern players and their minmaxing autism.

>>716391915
>>716391237
The lore started being shat on in classic, let's be real. They had to compromise on the elves matriarchy, we had to pretend the horde was a serious threat, and so on.

The real fuck up was having two big factions like the alliance vs the horde, it's the original sin of the game.

>>716415210
okay that makes a lot of sense. I played TBC on a private server, with zero layering and I was always super confused whenever people said flying ruined world pvp. cause I couldn't avoid world pvp whatsoever. Part of the reason I stopped playing that server was because I would get attacked CONSTANTLY where ever I went and it was not as easy to avoid dying as people made it out to be. I guess most people who say flying ruined world pvp just experienced it through classic

>>716415585
>way too easy for modern players and their minmaxing autism
It wasn't even close to that bad on the first classic, the only people going back for classic round 3 are the autismmaxxed vanillacels

>>716415731
If you think it was bad in TBC, it was 100x worse in Vanilla. Just imagine that instead of only being attacked at the farming spots, you would get attacked while walking to the farming spot itself which also took much longer to get to because you couldn't just straight line fly there.

>>716390873 (OP)
I never did, and I never will unless they give an acceptable free trial. I have no idea why any new player would ever check out WoW when both FFXIV and GW2 let you play for like a thousand hours for free.

>>716415773
Yeah I found it out. I thought all the autists would be on the hardcore server but nope.
Which is made worse by how there is a severe overabundance of dps in wow, so if you want a spot in a somewhat serious guild you have to put way more effort in that I'd like to put in. At the same time, I hate dad guilds, they are way too nice.

I really wish there was a solution to the lack of healer/tank but it's just that healing tanking sucks so

>>716416007
no it definitely existed in vanilla but my complaint was about people who say wpvp got ruined by flying but as someone who played both vanilla and TBC on pvp server I just didn't feel that it got as "ruined" as people made it out to be

>>716391082
this actually saved the game lol.

>>716416324
>I just didn't feel that it got as "ruined" as people made it out to be
Yeah, I'm saying the people that said flying "ruined" world PvP are the ones that would camp you from town all the way to the farming spot and back again.

>>716415537
I dont know either, i dropped it in legion. But right now there are epic items that can be upgraded along with rest of your gear and its BiS but every other slot has a BiS list you farm for.

>>716390873 (OP)
feminists took over the dev team

I miss my old guild. We broke apart at the start of Shadowlands because the MT had a lore-mental breakdown, kept saying it made no sense, and raging his DK just "Stood there" when he could've bitch slapped sylvanas. When he learned we weren't even going to kill her, he snapped and left. Took a few DPS and the OT GF with him.

>>716391039
This + everytime I finally got somewhere my progress was wiped out by the new patch releasing catch up gear better than what I ground for.
Shadowlands dogshit lore was the final straw but it really is BfA horrible gameplay that exhausted my love for the game.

>played from '05 Vanilla through to just before the release of MoP.
>each expansion felt less exciting than the last
>changes gradually morphed from QoL improvements to profit generation
TBC felt like good - lots of solid adjustments/improvements and a new, fresh, exciting setting. The buildup to the portal opening was super cool too. WotLK was more of the same just... Less. Some questionable choices started to creep in. Cata felt like they got the questionable decisions team to rebuild the entire game. Fun stuff got streamlined into nothingness while time sinks bloated uncontrollably. All the coolest stuff that would have been previously acquired through gameplay started getting barred behind the cash shop and those still available in game had lottery-tier drop rates. The entire game got redesigned around maximum time/money investment and minimum reward. Makes sense as a business, doesn't make sense for players.

>>716417034
How are you not able to get somewhere in the 6 months between patches?
Gearing has been insanely fast and most people are geared up in a month and then barely see upgrades for the next 5

>>716417639
I don't like doing chores, I play for other stuff like roleplay and all

>>716417435
TBC put shit like the spectral tiger on TCG cards and Ashes as a super rare drop
Cata and Wrath had deterministic meta achievements for fancy mounts and 100% droprate from end bosses
What the fuck are you talking about?

became older than 16 and cataclysm was shit.

>>716417734
Then why do you care about new upgrades coming out? You obviously dont play the game in the first place

>>716390873 (OP)
the endgame is very boring, raids and gearing up is like a job

>>716417763
You'll figure it out.

>>716417763
>>716417435
Even before Ashes of Al'ar, you had ZG Tiger and Baron Rivondare mount

>>716417830
Because I want to be powerful to do other stuff
And no doing the same dungeon everyday for 6 months for nothing is not playing the game.

>>716418165
Then play the game at the start of the patch retard it takes no time to gear up

>>716417912
I figured it out: you're retarded
Slot machine drops describe vanilla and tbc, not wrath and cata
It extends to legendaries as well

It got gay. Like REALLY homosexual.

Was never my thing.

>>716418165
>And no doing the same dungeon everyday for 6 months for nothing is not playing the game.
I mean thats been the game since the beginning to be fair.

>>716409164
>Despite the Horde having better racials,
They have two races with better PvP racials. Most people don't PvP, and Alliance is hard BiS for PvE. Human Warrior alone clears anything Horde has going on.

>>716390873 (OP)
During Burning Crusade like most normal teens. I came back on a friend's account during Cataclysm to play through the new 1 through 60 areas.

>>716392557
>see xir's ear
>go down rabbit hole of Arathor being retconned into being a nation of half elf descendants who actually came from a far off land ruled by the Emperor from 40k
>Lane's wife was Anduin Lothar's(white) full-blooded sister(black)
>The black is bred out of the Wrynn line within a single generation
>Somehow Faerin remains black
>This implies the presence of black high elves
I don't even.

>>716418980
>Arathor being retconned into being a nation of half elf
I think its that when it split and each human group when their own way. A group of humans and elves went to another continent in the east and that continent sent out a fleet that got stranded in hallowfall now. So its not one generation but 1200 years. Its not super clear in game though.

>>716390873 (OP)
They kept taking my infernal away, then they made immolate destro only in some misguided attempt at making specs unique.

>>716390873 (OP)
Because of allied races. Damn that was gay