CALLING ALL UTY CHADS
I NEED AS MANY KANAKO'S POSTED IN THIS THREAD AS POSSBLE
I AM BEGGING YOU

>>716500673 (OP)

>>716500673 (OP)
teen/adult kanako is best
anyway this thread might be on borrowed time so make the most of it I guess

>>716500673 (OP)
Kanako is cutest when she takes after her father.

>>716500673 (OP)

>>716502021
>>716501414
would kanako keep her brown fur or would she get a different coating?
usually only fox kits have brown fur (thought she could keep the brown if roba is a coyote or the amalgamation fucked up her body)

I think Kanako SUCKS!

>>716502308
Monssters are conceptual combinations of their parents. So Kanako gets whatever the logical combination of Roba and Chujin is. Purple + orange = brown.

>>716502495
kanako stays brown until she hits 18 and then like a switch being turned on she immediately becomes pink.

>>716502359
Yeah, she can suck a golf ball through a garden hose. Clover is so lucky.

>>716502602
Does her dark world form become brown after that?

>>716502783
her dark world for becomes eye-gratingly pink.

I love fanon kanako!!!

>>716503152
of course, that's the only kanako.
We have no canon kanako, the devs only cared about ceroba.

>>716503152
fanon Clover...

>>716503152
yeah because where the fuck is "canon" kanako
she has 2 lines then she fucking dies
and because UTY isnt canon

I like Kanako, and Ceroba, and Martlet, and Mooch, and the deer and the unicorn that show up with certain fun values, and the bug girl at the swings, and...

>>716503254
does this mean canon clover is for marlet

Reposting in /v/ after I first posted it in /vrpg/.

I was interested in making my own interpretation of a Ceroba fight (just the fight and nothing more) that diverges from actual Undertale (Yellow) lore.
It would be set in the Pacifist route, and lore-wise be the fight between Clover and Ceroba, only with Clover at 100 HP and Genocide run stats (for gameplay reasons only), and incorporate mechanics and attacks from both the Pacifist and Genocide route (the mask, the health depletion, etc.) In theory you could play the fight on pacifist or you could fight her using your gun, the idea is just a no-limits fight against Ceroba.
Probably was going to use either SDL or SFML (bit more weary of Raylib just out of fatigue from working with it, though it is a fantastic library nonetheless).
Any thoughts?
Or do you think a Chujin fight would be more interesting? (With that I have much fewer ideas, a few interesting ideas were thrown around in /vrpg/ but I'm no artist and couldn't make quality Chujin sprites on par with the Pacifist Ceroba fight.)

I prefer Martlet

>>716503693
Canon Clover is for the coffin in Asgore's basement.

bros why did they make such a huge reveal for hotland and another medium if they were just going to use it for three rooms

>>716504745
maybe in early stages they wanted to make the lab real (I still dont fully buy what they said in the anniversary, youd think at least SOMEONE in the team would bring up the idea or the issues with the ending)

>>716503765
I still think a Chujin fight would be more interesting, but I already said as much in the /vrpg/ thread.

>>716503619
And the Honeydew shopkeeper

Look up "signisrol" on e621.

>creator accidentally strikes gold
how the fuck did kanako get this amount of fanart and love despite appear for 2 minutes at most?

>>716504930
Roba and Mart: Partners in Time

>>716504967
anon sig himself posts in these threads which are then uploaded to e6

>>716505075
cuz people wanted to save her just like asriel

Adult Kanako < Teenage Kanako << Preg Kanako

>>716504939
>R*ddit
Are you really that desperate for uty content?

>>716503779
As nice as it would be to give both of them an actual loving (and living partner), that would never happen. Both of them have terminal oneitis. Even if you think Roba might get over Chujin eventually, Asgore has proven twice over that he'll never get over Toriel, even after the countless times she loudly and publicly expressed her hatred for him.

>>716505075
that nako aint smug enough

>>716505148
at least half of the people here fish for content there because there just isn't anywhere else

>>716505148
It’s a somewhat civilized subreddit, and more autistic than here

>>716505134
We need more of that third thing, a lot more. preferably all at once

>>716505116
I am aware.
It's just easier for him to find his webpage rather than waiting for everyone else to post his art 1p at a time.

This stupid picture still makes me laugh

>>716505258
twitter still gets art occasionally, you just gotta dig

>>716503784
I read her sprite as wearing nearly no clothes which is really hot

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>>716505684
most of it gets reposted there so I'd rather browse only one brainrot filled site instead of 2

>>716501414
>>716502662
>>716504967
>>716505413
Is pic related Sig's spirit animal?

>>716504967
>eliminated their loli category
Shadow of it's former self.
Was the sole place you could find complete archives of furry shit.

>>716505726
lots of people do

>>716505413
How is Kanako even bigger than Roba?

>>716505790
They only deleted human loli. Search female+young for kemololi.

>>716505784
Kanako doesn't draw fat bitches though. All his drawing are muscle girls.

>>716505909
chujin was also pretty tall according to the artbook
funny because before this people thought he was shorter

>>716503619
CHADver...

>>716502662
Love that big fluffy tail

>>716505784
>>716500673 (OP)
how does she hide THIS...

>>716506174
clover's so lucky

>>716506230
that's her big fluffy tail

>>716505810
Martlet, you're martlets are out

>>716505810
full concept yellowfell when?

You guys have no idea how carnally I want this man.

>>716506652
He is hiding his true power

>>716506030
*sig
sorry, but the foxrot compromised my ability to speak

>>716506029
Still a huge loss.
No more horse+loli.

>>716506030
>>716506795
sig doesnt, but threadcanon kanako sure does!

>>716505148
It's somewhat active and nowhere near as terrible as the deltarune subreddit, so yes. Yes I am that desperate for uty content.

so very bouncy

>>716506230
Sauce.

>>716506036
The tall part I get, but how did she get so much... bigger... than Roba?

>>716506793
I would buy all of his useless shit and then give him a nice smooch on the cheek

>>716507596
integrity infection genes (people headcanon integrity to be stacked)

>>716507313
there's even a DRY subreddit

>>716506562
the guy that people usually claim to be self inserting as clovers dad has made a yellowfell AU that’s interesting
ofc him being a redditor brings it down a tad but what can you do

>>716507673
determination is stored in the breasts

>>716507713
it hasnt updated in months though

>>716506562
There was an anon writing a UFY fic. He posted the first chapter in a rentry a few months ago. I wonder what happened to him?

What are some things you anons would like to see in future fangames?

>>716508002
actually being finished
otherwise just give me a monster gf and I will be happy, even if the rest is cringe or mega edgy tier

is Martlet topless?

>>716508002
pronouns in dialogue boxes

>>716508336
No
But she is bottomless in Zenith form

>>716508084
So what's the hold up on the Snowden/Snowdown area demo

>>716500673 (OP)

>>716508435
It'd be a bit weird to write dialogue without any pronouns

>>716508565
She's also becomes topless after breaking her breastplate

>>716509049
>>716508565
>>716508336
Walking around naked isn't unusual for monsters. Half of the ones we see in game are completely naked and no one makes any fuss about it.

Should I work on graphics related programming or music related programming today?

>>716508621
ask the dev when he next posts in the /vrpg/ thread

>>716502783
>>716502858

>>716508831
I think anon is talking about them showing on top of the dialogue boxes near the character name like that one fangame

>>716509951
>pink and gold

>>716510014
The one with the bedroom that's even longer than Noelle's?

DRYanon2 here.
i wanted to have a proper progress update today, but i have the heat resistance of an eskimo and had to go out in tropical weather. i have a horrible headache. so i'll probably be too out of it to hit that point.
on a semi-related note, i want comments on this >>>/vrpg/3812511

regardless, i will give something.
green ideas, hit me. fitting with the thread theme make em about kanako in some way.

>>716510362
yes that one, I don't remember the name nor cared enough to save it

>>716506793
buble

>>716509137
kinda hot to imagine a monster getting confused by some human getting a aroused by their ass being out bc of nudity being so normalized

>>716511330
>Martlet after Clover explains the humans' concept of nudity

>>716511330
>clover its fine, most monsters are completely naked and im only half naked
>kanako all im asking is that you put on a shirt

>>716511786
Why would he say this?

>>716511330
Imagine them then getting confused about different kinds of nudity being okay. Like how a guy can walk around topless, but a girl can't. Or how three little triangles is enough to make a girl decent, but a pair of pants without a shirt isn't.

>>716512010
only he can lay eyes on nako's nakos

>>716509137
I feel like the acceptability for certain monsters nudity is somewhat tied to their actual forms.
Like, we see monsters in the original Undertale that are literally just rocks. Not even rockmen, like in FTL or something, just straight rocks in terms of their physical forms, but then there are also monsters whose physiologies are roughly as complex and detailed as humans, and would therefore likely have specific genitalia as well.
Maybe whether or not a monster has to wear clothing on certain parts of the body is just determined by whether or not they actually have anything to cover and goes on a case by case basis, rather than being some kind of uniform standard.

>>716509809
He posts in there?
Damn.

Remind me why they're allowed to use the name again?

>>716512952
?

>>716512952
it is a free fangame, and toby would be hypocrite as he got his start from a fangame too.

>>716512692
But then in Deltarune we see Berdly walking around with his junk concealed by nothing but the shadow from his shirt. Monsters clearly operate on Bugs Bunny rules. They wear clothes if they feel like, but they are by no means necessary.

Frankenstein Complex anon, Where did you go?

>>716510601
Write a green about monsters being utterly baffled by the human concept of modest clothing.

>>716509396
graphics, if you have graphics and a basic input system you'll have something close to a game

>>716513442
Ok, graphics it is.

>>716510601
Kanako and Ceroba get hit by a sudden downpour on the way home, Cole (and optionally other characters) helps the grumpy foxes dry off their fur

>>716513245
A valid idea, but I raise a counter-argument: Berdly does not possess genitalia. I'm serious. We know from dialogue between Toriel and Rudy in the church that monsters obviously have some kinds of private parts for the sake of reproduction, and unless monster physiology is way more exotic than any of us could imagine, it stands to reason that monster genitalia would exist in roughly the same places on anthropomorphic monsters as it does on humans, i.e, the crotch area.
We see Alphys and Undyne wearing swimsuits in the pacifist ending of Undertale, so I don't think that idea is a stretch, they clearly have something to be covered up in roughly the same places humans do, and so they dress as such.
To this end, I argue that only some monsters actually possess any kind of sexual physical features, and therefore only the ones that do have any need to wear clothing. This could potentially be elaborated on by saying that monster might only *develop* these kinds of features once they become of age, which would explain Berdly's lack of genitals and by extension pants, or you could say it's a mental thing like Cherubs growing wings in Homestuck. It could also just be one of those things that varies for no reason, with the deciding factor being some weird magic-genetic thing. I assume then that monsters without physical reproductive organs reproduce some other way, either directly through magic, or like an amoeba or something.

>>716510601
because I have the specifics of monster nudity on the brain now, Martlet forgetting her shirt in the morning and not being told this until another monster who also wears clothes passes by her guard post.

>>716515050
kanako?

>>716513419
probably a bad time to ask for green ideas...
>UTY, GOOD timeline where both kids are alive and nothing is wrong. obviously.
>K: clover what do you mean by that
>C: by you almost going nude in front of me?
>K: yeah.
>C: ... you guys dont have the concept of nudity?
>K: we do but its not, like, a BAD thing down here.
>clover sighs, he doesnt want to have to explain the human concept of nudity
>regardless, he does anyways
>K: oh.
>C: yeah. so please dont do that
>kanako develops a smug look
>K: but what if i-
>C: NO!!!

>>716514026
That seems like way more of a stretch than monsters simply considering crotch fluff to be good enough for preserving decency.

>>716514026
>which would explain Berdly's lack of genitals and by extension pants,
I always thought he was wearing black shorts

>>716515784
I buy that more than him not wearing anything, since he's wearing something down there in the dark world.

>>716510601
Martlet shares a shift at work with Papyrus, hijinks ensue.

>>716516043
now I have an excuse to post this fanart

So why would humanoid monsters specifically be required to wear clothes, when all the other monsters don't have to? We see that they can wear clothes, since Temmie does. Meanwhile Snowdrake is naked, and MK only wears a sweater in UT. And then there's ficus guy, who is completely naked.

>>716516417
You didn't need an excuse. You could've just posted it anyway.

>>716515503
Oh yeah, it's the stretch of the century, but I think there could be something to it.

The dark world Martlet discussion a little while ago clawed its way into my brain and I decided to do something a bit productive to satiate it.
>General Design:
Took some inspiration from Aragorn and Boromir's outfits in Fellowship for her clothes, just with more blue. Her feathers were originally going to be a light gray color but I couldn't get it to look right so I went with a blue-white to keep the contrast while not clashing with the rest of her scheme.
>Why white and not Zartlet
I find the use of Zartlet for her Dark World form to be frankly lazy and more often than not, a missed opportunity for creativity. As for the colors, turning her feathers white adds a good contrast to her darker-hued clothes. It was also supposed to be a reference to a swan's coloration, as swans are fiercely protective of their young and I doubt Martlet would tolerate anyone hurting Cole.
>Why Ranger?
the original discussion mostly talked about how it could be used as a joke. i.e. this mysterious hooded character helping Cole and Kanako, only to be revealed as Martlet who has no clue what's going on. It also parallels her role in UTY as a somewhat isolated guard.
>Weapon?
In keeping with the DRY1 trend of the girls getting melee weapons and the boys getting ranged weapons, (and keeping with the LotR influence)she would probably have a short straight sword. Someone did mention her fallen feathers being a sort of summonable act, but I'm not sure how that would manifest.
>Why do this?
The worm would not leave, and it turned out to be a bit of fun doing a sprite edit.
I don't expect Martlet to actually show up in a Dark World in DRY1(or DRY2 for that matter), but wanted to do something like that regardless.

>>716516446
Probably just for fashion and because nudism isn't taboo in their society

Important lore: Mo goes bottomless as a business strategy. Tanuki are untrustworthy and Mo needs to prove he's a raccoon off the bat, so he lets everyone see that his testicles don't touch the floor

>>716518295
Tanuki have illusion magic though. They can simply hide their giga nuts when they don't want people seeing them.

>>716505909
Boss Monster genes~
Unironically, it kinda matches, given how big Hyperdeath Asriel was and that have 2 fatass boss mon genes working with him.

>>716518382
That's why Mo has a "Feel Deez Nuts!" sign at the front of his stand. It's his guarantee that monsters can check for illusions by copping a feel. It's also the reason he has an arrest warrant.

>>716517379
Martlet should use a bow (because ranger and as a reference to that Berdly fan design from years ago), and all the fallen feathers around the house are her arrows. The bow itself could be called the ivory longbow, with it being based on her plastic nametag from work. The plastic is the ivory and the string is made of brass because its the pin that holds it on.

>>716516446
As I speculate, it may be because not all monsters actually possess anything in need of covering up to begin with. Aside from that, I'd argue thermal regulation, since we know for a fact that monsters can suffer adverse effects from temperatures they aren't used to, such as Undyne in Hotland.

>>716518585
>It's also the reason he has an arrest warrant.
one of the reasons

>>716500673 (OP)
Noel x Kanako is the one true path.

>>716513796
>kanako and ceroba walk out of a store on the other side of town
>K: "hey mom, it wasnt supposed to rain today was it?"
>Cr: "no dear, clear skies all day. good day for a walk so thats why we didnt take the c-"
>ceroba looked up, the sky was blotted out by a massive storm cloud
>Cr: "dear."
>K: "yes mom?"
>Cr: "run"
>as if summoned by their awareness of its presence, the cloud started an absolute downpour as the two start running
>---
>15 minutes later
>the most prominent noise in the ketsukane house was four blowdriers running between the two bathrooms
>kanako was drying her body, while cole was working on the tail
>K: "thanks for agreeing to run over here in the rain cole..."
>C: "anything to help. all i had to do was take my wide-brim hat and i stayed dry for the most part"
>kanako laughed.
>that ridiculous gag gift was the size of an umbrella. she never thought it'd get any actual use
>C: "anyways im just about done with your tail..."
>---
>the two had finished drying kanako, her fur had become ridiculously fluffy. like a cartoon pet that just got blowdried.
>K: "so what now? i know you probably dont want to run back through the rain, wind's picked up so your hat wont help. and i definitely dont want to. but daddy wont let you stay here"
>Ch, "from another room: its fine kanako, i'll let him stay over since he helped... but keep the human out of my sight please"
>...
>K: "shitty movie night?"
>C: "sure."

>>716516043
>Undyne is on a business trip on New Home for politics and shit
>asks Martlet to essentially babysit Papyrus and make sure he doesn't get into trouble for a while
>specifically to protect him if a human shows up
>human shows up
>they both get attached to the human
>if the human is genosliding, you get a repeat of the Monster Kid and Undyne situation

>>716514120
>>716516043
damnit anons, thread theme. kanako related.
i will throw those in the vrpg thread later though/

>>716518742
>it may be because not all monsters actually possess anything in need of covering up to begin with.
I wouldn't go that far (at least not for anything aside from fire elementals, geometric shapes, an airplanes). They probably work like some animals where their genitals are concealed until they need to use them. The monsters that always wear clothes either don't have the natural means to conceal it, or are simply too modest to walk around with that much skin exposed anyways.

>>716519123
Ok, have Kanako and Clover be there too.

I've come to find that this bird lives rent free in my head now. all of the characters do really but the bird and then the cherishable idiot fox in that order hold the most territory

>>716519336
being sat on by zenith martlet…

>>716518674
Nametag bow isn't a bad idea

>>716520397
you would die

>>716519123
if you're still taking green ideas, (and if you're still alright with not being theme related), could i get a reader/ceroba green with ceroba comforting the reader to sleep?

>>716520695
and? dying like that sounds like a dream dude

>>716519336
Martlet is the only character I've ever felt comfortable and confident giving waifu status, for me. Helped me realize the true extent of which I am not Ok.

>>716521412
How so?

>>716520925
sorry anon, ceroba's for chujin and that gets a little too intimate in my opinion.

>>716521512
Damn, but fair.

>>716505784
Nine Sols and Yellow share a similar spot in my brain and are the games that got me to realize how much I love angst and violence, and waifus

>>716521412
I get that. I dont normally feel like this about a character, even the other characters in the game I love but I want to marry that god damn bird

>>716519143
>fire elementals
you are telling me the green fire girl from hotland doesn't have anything under her clothes?

>>716522027
She has fire under her clothes. Even if she has something there, you're not doing anything with it without losing whatever appendage touches it.

the moochrot overtook me once more, though it's probably far too detached from mooch's design

It's clearly because it's linked to Undertale, but what other fangame has had as many threads here as Yellow?

>>716522153
Is this dark world Mooch?

>>716522240
Would you count Snoot Game as a fangame?

>>716521512
>ceroba's for chujin
Well he should have thought about that before injecting himself with magic super cancer, Ceroba's up for grabs now

>>716522259
ye

>>716522132
you can't stop me from trying, I just need to learn fire immunity magic

>>716522447
anon her loyalty is her one positive character trait.

>>716522586
or wear an asbestos condom

>>716522153
[HOOCHI MAMA]
I like how her tail is used like a stash for weapons

>>716522621
a widow eventually remarrying is not a betrayal of that loyalty, but her loyalty is so strong that she'd probably see it as such without a long time of coaxing.

>>716522675
but that would give me cancer

>>716522621
It's not loyalty if the guy's dead, nothing to be loyal to.
Joking aside, I don't entirely buy the idea that Ceroba just wouldn't ever move on from Chujin after everything's said and done. I imagine she has to have gotten over it a little bit, since I doubt she's still just crashing in the shack the fiesty five live in after the pacifist ending and hasn't gone back to the estate.
Chujin's dead, Kanako may or may not be salvageable, eventually she has to move on and live her life, and that could include finding someone new. I'm not saying that would definitely happen, I'm just saying it's not impossible.

>>716522883
Its not a betrayal, but refusing to remarry out of love for a long dead person is still an admirable thing. You have to love someone a lot to not want to love again after them.

>>716523098
that IS fair, but thats why I phrase it as her needing time and encouragement to consider it. she probably would stay alone left to her own devices but since shes too dumb to see whats infront of her, and intensely loyal, she really is the type of person who would do better in life with someone at her side that can keep her from drinking the bleach.

>>716523004
Its also possible that she decides she'd rather be alone. Even if she eventually stops mourning, she may just not want another relationship. There are plenty of irl widows who simply choose to be single.

>>716523653
thats also fair, but again I really think ceroba is the kind of person that needs someone reliable in life. her dumbness puts her in tunnel vision about whats right or wrong, it probably didn't cause her any trouble when she was married to chujin but she immediately started making clearly bad decisions after he passed that chujin probably would have been able to reign her in on with ease

Undertale Yellow but everyone is bald

>>716523864
she also doesn't realize that shes dumb, remember when she was trying to turn on the steamworks and the whole time she was getting absolutely nothing done? she's oblivious to how dumb she is and was sadly denied the character development in the pacifist ending where she could have started realizing that maybe she doesn't always know the right way to go.

>>716523864
>>716523593
Maybe what she needs is some serious self reflection. Some time to actually learn how to think for herself. If she doesn't, this could very easily happen again.

>>716500673 (OP)
Heartbound clone

>>716524054
you just know

>>716523978
Why does he have that massive triangle snoot?

>>716523653
Yeah, that's also possible, but my main point is that it's not necessarily true that she'd remain by herself forever and that other things are possible as well.

>>716524041
even if she doesn't shack up with someone again, she needs people in her life that aren't afraid to check her when she goes off the rails, and it has to be someone she trusts enough to actually listen to. Starlo is cool and all, and maybe things could go in that direction but where she was at the end of the game he TRIED to step in and she simply knocked him out.

>>716524093
Apparently his ferret had a rare cancer that made it bleed from its anus and that's why it died

>>716524146
thats how the artist draws snouts in general

>>716524425
Well I don't know who you're expecting her to be checked by then. The only people strong enough to restrain her during a fit of tard rage are either dead or don't know her.

>>716507889
I'm still alive and lurking. I haven't written much in the two months since then; I feel like I need to learn how to draw if I want to give the right impression of my version of the characters, because some don't line up with the most popular UFY designs, but it's been too hot and me too busy to dedicate myself to that. I might just say fuck it and work on the rest of the first part of the story (I say part because the story will have time jumps) before I start grinding Loomis, I don't know for sure.

>>716525005
Just write it anon. If you describe your characters well then you won't need art to get the image across.

>>716523864
>chujin probably would have been able to reign her in on with ease
Let's be real here, Chujin wasn't that great at that either. Ceroba obviously doesn't know what she's doing when it comes to any kind of technological/scientific endeavor, as evidenced by her trying to turn on the steamworks and everything that went down with the serum project, but she seems mostly level-headed outside of stuff like that, so I doubt anything bad would've happened with her if she just hadn't been put in the situation she'd been put in.
Chujin on the other hand was a total mess. He made multiple killer robots of varying functionality, with the final one being the only one that actually worked and didn't fall apart after five minutes but apparently had no functioning IFF telling it not to kill random people, and he put way too much stock into his serum project which directly resulted in his death and indirectly resulted in the "death" of his daughter. Yes, I know he explicitly said Kanako shouldn't be involved in the serum project, but let's be real, he wouldn't have needed to say that if there were literally any other options, that's how doomed the whole project was from the beginning.
Chujin was narcissistic, shortsighted, and constantly overestimated his capabilities at every turn, always assuming he knew better than anyone around him, and that's what got him killed.
By contrast, Ceroba really isn't that dumb on her own. She made a shitty choice by injecting Kanako with the serum, but that only happened because Chujin decided to make his doomed project her responsibility in the first place. Without that, there's no way anything would've happened to Kanako.
With all this in mind, and with how Ceroba seems to change at the end of true pacifist, I don't think it's out of the question that she may start to realize some of this for herself and begin to move on from him. Not start to dislike him or anything, but maybe just realize that he wasn't everything she thought he was.

>>716522153
I think it just needs a hat/hood and a scarf of some kind.
Breddy good though

alright, alternate world where the snowdin incident never happened. could chujin have learned to trust a human that fell down and didn't try to slaughter their way out of the underground? He obviously hated humans but was that irrevocable before the incident? I guess we only know so much about his character but you get this real sense of bitterness from the twisting the knife, like a tripling down. please excuse me Im just having some autism for lunch.

>>716525114
>he wouldn't have needed to say that if there were literally any other options
I dont think so, he just happened to "have the boss monster gene" so it seems to imply that there are others. I got a strong impression that he believed that someone else could be used or that worst case scenario he could have been implying ceroba should use it on herself but im not so sure about that part.

>>716525357
Ceroba isn't a boss monster, not in the final version of UTY anyway.
I doubt he'd be implying that she use it on herself, largely because he'd know that if she ever died that the whole project would be forgotten and no one would ever finish it, and given how much stock he put into it I don't think he'd want that to happen.
Still, the whole project just seems like a bust to me. Like, the whole point of the serum is to be able to apply the properties of a boss monster to a regular monster, but why does it need a human soul for that? (ignoring the meta reason being "because we need a reason for Ceroba to want Clover's soul") I'm sure there could be some weight to the idea in-universe, but I'd really like to see what he could've possibly based his ideas on here. Honestly, this project should've been undertaken by someone with the budget and resources of a royal scientist, not a disgraced ex-power plant worker working out of a basement using scrap for machine parts.
He should've just told Ceroba (or Martlet, actually) to give his data to Alphys or something, at least she would've been able to see if it was a dead-end or not without killing anyone.

>>716525875
I didn't realize she wasn't a boss monster in the game to be honest. I just figured "oh chujin is and probably married a boss monster. this is what happens when I only finally played the game a week ago.

>>716525156
it might be possible if kanako goes "DAD LOOK AT MY NEW FRIEND!" and she just points to a human.
the shock would probably be great enough that he just accepts it because what the fuck is he supposed to do?
he cant just kill the human, his daughter would be heartbroken.

>>716526058
Ceroba was originally designed as being a boss monster in one of the earlier iterations of the game's story, but she was way different back them and just about everything about her character was redesigned and rewritten. Save for her killing* Kanako, but that's a separate issue.

>>716500673 (OP)
I had a idea. What if when you find Kanako in lab she had already combine/absorb with other mosnters and you have to make a choose. Do you kill kanako and let the already old monster live or do you kill those other monster so kanako may live. the other monster can be split between wanting to live at any cost to just wanting to give a young monster a second chances. You get a battle either way but its either multi weak monster who can attack at once vs one strong boss monster IE like Ceroba.

Also if Kanako had already absorb another monster/s would her soul override there? If so would curing kanako just have her return to normal, have a split personality like that one comic, be a schizoid, or would you get multi Kanako each with a trait of the monster they absorb?

>>716523978
>>716524506
Why is it when every someone try to make something "realistic" it always the most hideous thing possible.

>>716525114
Anon, she does the exact same thing again at the end of true pacifist. That's what makes her a retard. Her inability to learn from her mistakes.

As for Chujin, the man had an ego yes, but his mistakes were just as much out of desperation and panic as Ceroba's were. The Integrity incident traumatized him and left him with the lingering fear that at any moment a human could show up and kill Kanako, Ceroba, him, and all the other monsters in the underground, and no one could do anything about it. He genuinely believed what he was doing was the only way to protect his family and his people.

And for all the shit you give Axis, it worked. It was sloppy, but it worked. Chujin just wasn't ready for the full ramifications of what he intended to do. Planning to kill a dangerous human and extract their soul is one thing. Picking their soul out of their mangled remains, disposing of the body, cleaning the viscera off of your murderbot, and hiding the WMD you just obtained from the authorities are another. That only worsened his already poor mental state, which is what lead to the even more dangerous serum plan.

And of course before any of this he had the terrible relationship with his father and the horrible work environment at the steamworks to prime him for all kinds of problems.

>>716526112

>>716522153
>rogue Mooch
>corset
SEX

>>716526112
what if this human also "eventually" tried to give his soul up to chujin would he be as tunnel visioned as ceroba or would he be impacted in a different way by the humans actions, and still care that the human meant something to his daughter?
are monsters really made of hope and compassion, and could he make a different choice if his family was still around or was that household simply doomed in any scenario

>>716526325
>Anon, she does the exact same thing again at the end of true pacifist. That's what makes her a retard. Her inability to learn from her mistakes.
Technically yes, but there was at least a good reason for Clover to give up their soul, since it did help break the barrier in the long run.
Also, there really wasn't another way around that for multiple reasons.
First, this was closer to when Asgore was still enraged about the deaths of Asriel and Chara, so while he may have cooled down just a bit about that, he'd still likely be willing to kill Clover himself to fulfill his plan, or have the royal guard kill them.
Second, Clover themself probably wouldn't have been willing to back down on the idea of sacrificing themself, and I doubt Starlo, Martlet, and Ceroba could've forced them not to if they tried, not only because Clover could probably beat all of them, but also because Flowey probably would've intervened if they stood a serious chance of stopping Clover.
I'm not saying it's great that she accepted Clover's sacrifice so quickly, or even necessarily at all, but there honestly just weren't a lot of alternatives available no matter how you slice it.

>>716526780
>First, this was closer to when Asgore was still enraged about the deaths of Asriel and Chara, so while he may have cooled down just a bit about that, he'd still likely be willing to kill Clover himself to fulfill his plan
thats only written in there from convenience. Asgore was written as a lot more bloodthirsty in uty than makes sense at all, and the only royal guard that was worth worrying about was undyne who wouldnt have done shit in the dunes because it would have been too hot in her anime hero armor.
they wrote the story too close to the events of undertale for us to buy how worried about asgore and the royal guard everyone was. hell martlet being on thin ice is silly because the only royal guard whos not a bit silly like her is undyne

>>716525875
What differentiates a boss monster from a regular monster is their powerful soul. Humans have even more powerful souls than boss monsters. We also know that any monster which absorbs a human soul will become incredibly powerful. So it stands to reason that if some of that power can be extracted from a soul, then it could be used to turn normal monsters into something like a boss monster. So instead of getting one super monster from a human soul, he could make an army of super monsters. And we see his theories were correct, since Martlet is transformed into one when injected with a serum made from the power of a human soul.

Chujin's failure was in his methodology. He didn't have Gaster's research and equipment to base his work on, so he had to make do. The only thing he had that he knew could handle those amounts of determination was his own body. So that's what he used.

>He should've just told Ceroba (or Martlet, actually) to give his data to Alphys or something, at least she would've been able to see if it was a dead-end or not without killing anyone.
That might have been what he meant when he said "continue my research, but don't test on Kanako." Take the idea around and find someone with funding and resources to continue the research. But even if he didn't, you've got to remember that he views the King and his government as negligent to a dangerous degree. He doesn't know that the king is genuinely trying to prevent the monsters from killing humans, so he just assumes the king is an idiot who isn't taking this seriously.

>>716526325
>but his mistakes were just as much out of desperation and panic as Ceroba's were
I don't know, he was making some pretty stupid mistakes long before things got particularly desperate. He made multiple killer robots, didn't apparently field-test any of them, and then went straight to showing them off to the king of all monsters, and they all malfunctioned spectacularly. One of them even set Asgore's beard on fire. If Asgore was even 1% the tyrant some monsters see him as, Chujin wouldn't have left that throne room alive.
Sure, the integrity incident left an impact on him, but he was already pretty fucked in the head well before that, the incident just exacerbated things.
>or all the shit you give Axis, it worked. It was sloppy, but it worked
Yeah, Axis is an effective killing machine, an a decently impressive bit of robotics and mechanical engineering, but his software is atrocious, and his apparent lack of a functioning IFF by the time he's reactivated in UTY makes him obscenely dangerous. He starts shooting to kill pretty quickly after finding you, and apparently has the intelligence to actively communicate with people, but chooses to just ignore anything other than his directives to kill hostiles. If Axis had been reactivated outside the steamworks, or somehow left the steamworks by himself before being pacified, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have just gone on a massive killing spree, seeing as how anyone not registered in his internal database is apparently just another target.
>terrible relationship with his father
Okay, I've heard a few people bring this up now, what's this about? I'm genuinely asking here, I didn't read every bit of text UTY had to offer, so I'm sure I missed a lot, but I don't remember anything about Chujin's father being mentioned in the game anywhere. Could you fill me in here?

>>716526228
Could be an interesting moral choice.

>>716526631
I think Chujin could have learned to get over his hatred of humans. It would've taken at least as much effort as convincing Undyne did, maybe more, but it could be done. Even after Integrity I think it still could have been possible, but he would have been the final boss in terrms of how much convincing it would take.

>>716527165
>the only royal guard that was worth worrying about was undyne who wouldnt have done shit in the dunes
I don't buy that Undyne is the only royal guard who can pose a threat. Sure, most of the royal guards we see in UT are pushovers, but it's also implied that Asgore isn't personally responsible for the deaths of each of the fallen humans based on the locations of their items throughout the underground, and I remember it being said that Undyne had never encountered a human before Frisk in UT, so there has to be someone else in the underground capable of killing a human in order for that all to be the case. I don't think the dunes would've been literally untouchable in this case. Maybe a small safe haven where most of the local residents wouldn't care enough to do anything about Clover's presence, but they'd definitely still be a dead man walking most of the time.
Also, I'm not even sure the dunes would necessarily be too hot for Undyne anyway. Hotland was too hot for her, sure, but Hotland is also primarily composed of lava, which is probably hotter than the dunes, even with the big swelterstone glassing everything.

>>716526780
The Royal Guard are a bunch of incompetent idiots and Asgore never actively hunts humans. He just sits in his castle waiting for them in the hopes that they'll never show up. Chara was decades ago, he got cold feet after the first child he killed.

>>716527287
>since Martlet is transformed into one when injected with a serum made from the power of a human soul
No actually, Martlet was transformed with determination from Alphys' lab, not the essence of a soul. That's a common mistake, but she basically did the same thing Undyne does in the genocide route, getting a massive power boost by suddenly gaining a lot of determination.
Also, his exact methodology for the serum project was to take the essence of a human soul, inject it into a boss monster, then extract the resulting mixed essence *from* the boss monster and inject *that* into normal monsters. What exactly did he base this idea on? The only thing I can figure is that he assumed the mixture of human essence and boss monster essence would allow for a normal monster to get the properties of the boss monster through their essence, but it all just sounds like an insane reach to bet your life on.

>>716527879
>but it's also implied that Asgore isn't personally responsible for the deaths of each of the fallen humans based on the locations of their items throughout the underground
there was an old quote from toby that really implied that asgore was actually the one who got them all. something like "none of the kids made it PAST asgore"
>>716527991
honestly we dont even know if it was decades, or much much longer even. we know its a plot point that boss monsters dont age without their kid so it could have been hundreds of years ago that chara happened for all we know.

Toriel is the real culprit behind most bad things that happen in UT and even UTY.

>>716527430
The Axis project started after the Integrity incident. He was already panicking by then.

>but his software is atrocious,
Considering he's completely sentient despite having no soul, its very impressive.

>He starts shooting to kill pretty quickly after finding you
And you are a human, the thing he was designed with the sole purpose of killing. Did he ever try to kill any monsters without provocation?

>I'm genuinely asking here, I didn't read every bit of text UTY had to offer, so I'm sure I missed a lot, but I don't remember anything about Chujin's father being mentioned in the game anywhere.
Its one of the talk dialogues with Ceroba. She mentions him having a bad relationship with his father because his father hated change, while Chujin was all about progress. Apparently his choice in career also caused a lot of contention between them. Chujin wanted to be an engineer, his father wanted him to be a carpenter.

>>716528265
>none of the kids made it PAST asgore
Yeah, past, as in, got his soul and past the barrier.
If you're saying this to argue that Asgore himself is personally responsible for each of the fallen human's deaths, then that would imply he's been actively hunting them when they fall down, since their items are scattered throughout the underground and nowhere near the castle. If that's the case (and I doubt it is, since Asgore wouldn't likely just discard the humans' belongings while simultaneously going to all the trouble of making special coffins to keep their bodies preserved), then there's no reason why the dunes would be a safe place for Clover, since this would imply that Asgore would just hunt them down there anyway, and no one there would be strong enough to stop him.

>>716528265
Its been long enough that no one except Gerson recognizes Toriel by looking at her. Which means she's been in the Ruins long enough for a whole generation of monsters to grow up without seeing her face. Which is at least a couple decades.

>>716528545
you're working off a stretch on this but I cant find the specific post from toby back at launch to back myself up, but its wording I think is in support of what Im saying, and theres no evidence that asgore would have gone on the hunt for them. it also doesn't fit his character at all. uty also happens so close to ut, so with asgore so easily letting the human have "however much time they need" in ut, theres no chance he's hunting the previous one down in the dunes.

>>716528221
>No actually, Martlet was transformed with determination from Alphys' lab, not the essence of a soul.
I know. I said the power of the human soul, which is what determination is.

I don't think the devs have an answer for what specifically he was doing, but I like to think he was trying to use his body as a DT extractor. Since he's tougher than a regular monster, he thought he should be able to handle the abuse of purifying all the other elements out of a human soul, so the DT could be safely used on normal monsters. He was wrong, but he didn't know that at the time.

>>716527879
Clover got this far. I think it would be fair to try and see if he can keep going instead of just letting him kill himself for nothing.

>>716528492
>The Axis project started after the Integrity incident. He was already panicking by then.
I'm pretty sure that's not right, since he was making the Axis robots while working at the steamworks, and made several failed iterations before the one we see in-game, and that's the one that supposedly killed the integrity soul according to his tapes.
>Did he ever try to kill any monsters without provocation?
I'm pretty sure he's also targeting Ceroba as well throughout the steamworks, just not as primarily as Clover. Axis sees them both as being intruders in the steamworks, which they are, but also clearly ignores the steamworks' dilapidated state and the fact that there really isn't anything left to protect. He's effectively just an extremely goal-oriented security AI, hellbent on eliminating anything deemed a foreign element in the facility, even if the facility itself hasn't been operational in years.
So yes, technically he was provoked, but if he was truly intelligent he would've seen what was wrong with what he was doing here. If someone less capable of holding their own was passing through the steamworks and managed to activate Axis, he probably would've killed them on the spot, since he certainly tries to with Ceroba and Clover.

>>716528892
>and theres no evidence that asgore would have gone on the hunt for them. it also doesn't fit his character at all
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Asgore hunting down the humans would be out of character and is unsupported because of the locations of the fallen humans' items, and this implies that someone else in the underground is capable of killing a human, potentially a royal guard, which would therefore mean that the dunes wouldn't necessarily be completely safe for Clover.

>>716519143
>and airplanes
I have seen too much smut, drawn and written, of human or furry X airplane to believe Tsunderplane doesn't have a port that functions as waste disposal and has an erogenous zone.

>>716528892
I remember the tweet you're talking about. I don't remember what the person he was replying to said, but it was the exact same point >>716528545 was making. In response, Toby said, verbatim:
>past asgore not to asgore

>>716529163
>I'm pretty sure that's not right, since he was making the Axis robots while working at the steamworks, and made several failed iterations before the one we see in-game, and that's the one that supposedly killed the integrity soul according to his tapes.
I thought he started the Axis project specifically because of Integrity, then got fired for presenting rushed prototypes to the king, which were rushed specifically because of Integrity still being at large, then his final prototype killed Integrity,
>If someone less capable of holding their own was passing through the steamworks and managed to activate Axis, he probably would've killed them on the spot, since he certainly tries to with Ceroba and Clover.
I don't think that's really a fault against Axis. It was a prototype programmed with a specific goal in mind. It wasn't meant to be a security guard, it was meant to kill humans. This is like asking the terminator to be a body guard, yes its more than capable of doing it, but its going to do all manner of unnecessary murder because its designed to kill. So not only is it unfinished, and being asked to do things it was never meant to do, but its also been left to rot for years with unknown amounts of damage caused to it by the elements.

>>716529342
but not only is every single royal guard and hired killer in the monsters ranks a pushover outside of undyne that we've seen, but seeing that, and the implication that asgore killed them all from toby, I think theres other implications as to why the items are found where they are, but I'll back off on it until I can find the old post Im talking about.

>>716529047
Yeah, but as I said in the post that started this debate a while ago, Clover themself may want to sacrifice themself too much to be stopped. While there could theoretically be way to hide them from the guard for a while, that doesn't mean anything if they flat out don't want to be saved.
I mean, there's nothing stopping them from going back and living with Martlet in the flawed pacifist ending after killing Ceroba, but they head to Asgore anyway. It's their mission, and they're going to see it through, one way or another.

>>716529453
Its probably a mid air refueling port. The point is that it doesn't have conventional genitals like a living animal would have.

>>716529528
and there was a follow up statement from toby

>>716529664
My point is that they shouldn't have just accepted him killing himself, especially not Ceroba.

>>716529627
>I thought he started the Axis project specifically because of Integrity, then got fired for presenting rushed prototypes to the king, which were rushed specifically because of Integrity still being at large, then his final prototype killed Integrity,
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's just not right. The timeline just doesn't add up on that, plus, if he had the time to make all those prototypes to kill a single person who, according to the amount of time implied by all of this, would've been running around killing monsters for months, why wouldn't he just try and use the robots on the human first rather than showing them to Asgore first? If the human's actively been killing people for an extended period of time, wouldn't that make more sense? Also, if the human was running around for that long, why wouldn't the guard or Asgore himself have done something about it.?

>>716525105
My concern comes from how visual depictions of characters alter the mind's eye when reading books, e.g. if you watch a movie adaptation of a book and then read the book you'll likely picture the actors. It's not a huge deal but it is something I worry about; the most popular Ceroba, Starlo etc. are close enough to what I imagine that I don't mind someone picturing those, but I worry about Chujin who has a couple takes I don't like at all and don't mesh with my ideas.

>>716529646
The mercenaries you fight in the Core are pretty tough. Still they're only going after Clover if someone hires them to. And even then he's beaten foes that are just as tough if not tougher.

>>716529940
I kinda figured it was just the devs being shitty with the timeline.

>>716530009
no my point is that even if they are strong, they fold almost immediately to kindness. very few monsters have been shown to have the resolve to fight to the death in the face of genuine kindness, and even asgore decides to kill himself for you in the pacifist route.

>>716529528
Yeah, but that still doesn't mean that all the fallen humans made it *to* Asgore either, because of the locations of their items. The only explanations for that would either be that Asgore explicitly hunted the various humans down through the underground which would be wildly out of character, Asgore just dumped the humans' items in random places which would also be out of character, or the various humans weren't necessarily all killed by Asgore and were instead killed by other monsters throughout the underground.

>>716529992
Just write what you want. As long as its good people will get what details matter from your writing. Its better than shelving the idea forever because someone might imagine Chujin's hair wrong.

>>716500673 (OP)
What if Kanakill was evil?

>>716529807
Yeah, I agree with you on that, it would've been way more satisfying if Clover sacrificed themself against their friends' wishes, but I'm just saying that realistically speaking they didn't actually have much of a choice in the matter.

>>716530260
They had a choice to try to help him. Even if they most likely couldn't help, they still had the choice to try.

>>716530673
Yes, I know, and I agree, it felt really rushed, but the odds just really weren't in their favor.

>>716527879
>and I remember it being said that Undyne had never encountered a human before Frisk in UT, so there has to be someone else in the underground capable of killing a human in order for that all to be the case
Gerson
He literally sells you the items used by the soul of perseverance

>>716530754
I'm saying the odds don't matter. No amount of "well it wouldn't have worked anyway" will justify or redeem their decision. So there's no reason to include that yes but at all.

>>716529720
I remember that too, it was "rip 6 times"

>>716530186
Y'know, I'm inclined to agree with you in all this. I have a feeling the reason this tweet is now deleted is because Toby was just shitposting. I've always thought the harder you think about Undertale's worldbuilding the more it falls apart, and this whole royal guard structure is one example of that

>>716531217
Image being the poor sod that had to fight a Gerson that was actually trying to kill him.

>>716500673 (OP)
wtf is wrong with this nako
it looks scary

>>716531217
Yeah, I was gonna mention him at some point, primarily because his existence means that there have to be at least a few other people in the underground capable of holding their own against a human, or potentially killing one if need be.
I'd also argue Papyrus due to his implied strength, but he's far too idealistic to ever act in a way that could potentially kill a human, so he's off the table.

>>716500673 (OP)
freakNako

fuck it, im in a drawing mood
gimme stuff to doodle for old time's sake

Man, I can't believe I started this argument just by saying that Ceroba could've potentially moved on from Chujin by eventually realizing he wasn't that great.
I still stand by that.

>>716531556
Ceroba and an anon cuddling

>>716531556
Smug Mooch

>>716531556
clover/cole brushing kanako's tail with a complete deadpan expression while she's barely holding it together.

>>716531556
Draw mecha Chujin complete with his soul in a jar being visible on his body like Dr Gero in DBZ.

>>716531556
The Yellow cast as the animals/things they're based on

>>716531586
Even if she realizes he was flawed, that doesn't mean she'd stop loving him. Its possible to love someone regardless of their flaws.Besides, its not good to build a character up by tearing another one down, especially when the characters in question are husband and wife.

>>716531556
please... it's ever been so long... we need zenith momlet like the olden days, i beg of you

>>716531912
Yeah, I also don't think she'd ever really stop loving him, but as I said in a post way back ITT, I do think it's possible she could still move on at some point. Could happen, could not, but I don't necessarily buy the idea that she'd be content being by herself forever, especially if she regains custody of Kanako once all the amalgamates are released to their families.

>>716531556
Clover or Starlo doing this pose

>>716531556
Starlowalker

>>716531556
This version >>716517379 of Lightner Martlet.

>>716531556
something involving the Roaring Knight and Zenith Martlet

>>716531556
Clover stumbling out of Asgore's castle towards their friends and making a finger gun at them like Spike Spiegel.

>>716531556
Kanako "attacking" Clover (this can be their DRY counterparts), something like this

>>716531556
Ceroba in that red dress you’ve drawn her in a few times

>>716532085
This already happened, at least for Clover

>>716501253
I think she would prefer diet dr.pepper.

>>716531556
Honeydew Shopkeeper in an apron to see if that one anon can be summoned back

>>716531556
Can you draw Shu as Mr Satan from DBZ?

>>716531556
Martlet with her new DRY design hugging Cole

>barely ever brought up but somehow the favorite character of the 3 people i got to play UTY
>devs gave two reasons (one game dev mistake, one ingame) on why theres no genostarlo, is still agreed to have gotten shafted
>the concept art book literally has max 1 or 2 pages about him, they said he came out perfect immediately and theres not much to say
How did this fraud end up being so loved?

>>716532798
It doesn't have to be that pose either. Whichever one you want.

>>716504967
>pregnant
Patrician taste.

>>716532798
>>716532892
Signirsol drawing Shu would be insane since Sig is pretty well know in the UTY reddit too

>>716532891
Honestly, I'd say it's because he looks and feels the most like an authentic Toby Fox character more so than the entire rest of the UTY cast, not counting returning characters.
I don't think any of the UTY characters wouldn't fit in an actual Toby Fox product, but Starlo is the one character I could see being made by Toby himself.

>>716532492
>still get UTY songs randomly stuck in my head even after chapter 3+4 fresh in my mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AverATyys3Q

This faggot better make another game.

>>716532891
He's the designated tumblr sexyman

>>716533113
Will every soul fangame have its own designated tumblr sexyman?

>>716533064
It's been a while since I played UTY, I swear to god I thought this song was from Earthbound.
I know the soundfont for it is, but it's really similar to a specific song from Earthbound so I just can't shake that feeling.

>>716533261
I've got a couple characters in mine that have the tumblr sexyman phenotype.

>>716532891
I still think a lot of the anniversary stream/artbook was the devs lying/hiding stuff, we know there is more art of chujin and kanako yet they only get one (1) page each

>>716533605
>we know there is more art of chujin and kanako
How?

>>716533605
One of the artists for UTY, Televiq, made a side twitter account where they posted all the art for UTY they made while working on the game. If there's anything not accounted for in the art book, it's probably there.

>>716533658
one of the concept artists shared it here in the threads near release, and those pieces arent in the artbook

>>716531556
Clover unleashing the Point Blank Shot on some poor fool

>>716533261
>>716533579
I got one who checks pretty much all the boxes for "tumblr sexyman" (tall, thin, powerful, sarcastic personality, uses a suit), it was unintentional but in retrospective he does look like he was made in a lab to be part of that category of characters

>>716531556
100% more Zenith Martlet.

>>716503619
>and the unicorn that show up with certain fun values
What

>>716534051
this girl

>>716532891
Because COWBOY, YEE HAW!

>>716533052
>I don't think any of the UTY characters wouldn't fit in an actual Toby Fox product
Huh? Marlet fits perfectly

>>716517379
If we're talking deltarune yellow concepts.
You should see this design of Martlet.
I for one think this design perfectly matches what she'd look like in that world.
Both how she would look in the light world and dark word.

>>716534190
Re-read the statement, slowly.
"I *don't* think any of the UTY characters would*n't* fit in an actual Toby Fox product"
I was saying that I don't think there are any UTY characters that *wouldn't* fit in an actual Toby Fox creation, not that none of them would fit.

>>716534092
I only encountered the unicorn once in a Neutral run. And never encountered the other character.

Anyone got any wholesome pregnancy art? Preferably the bird but any (female) character will do.

>>716531556
Mooch taking a nap, if it isn't too late

>>716531556
More momlet. Martlet being a momlet to Clover, or Zenith Martlet being a momlet to Clover, or both.

>>716533987
If you want to use the definition that includes Sans then I have 3, since despite being a manlet, Reynault fits all the other criteria perfectly. I guess he's not particularly effeminate though, which seems to be a common trait among tumblr sexymen.

>>716500673 (OP)
I honestly want to play Undertale Yellow, but knowing about the True Pacifist kind of turned me off the thing.

I mean, are we just forgetting Asgore is also going to kill all of humanity?

>>716532086
>>716532798
seconded

>>716534653
No, no one has forgotten, people bring it up all the time.

>>716534192
Why is she grey?

>>716531556
If you're this guy, I need more buff Kanako after taking Integrity supplements.

>>716534762
Because it's a concept drawing of Martlet's design.

>>716534720
Yet offing yourself and bringing humanity one step closer to certain doom is still seen as a good thing?

>>716534819
>bean mouth head on a Jojo body
kek

Is her tail bigger and fluffier than her mother's/father's?

>>716534843
I mean, we know from UT that Asgore doesn't actually want to exterminate humanity, and most of the monsters in UT except for Undyne and Toriel generally regard Asgore as a massive pushover, so I'm not sure how much stock the rest of the underground actually has in Asgore completely destroying humanity, but I don't feel like arguing about this so meh.

>>716534653
just play it and enjoy it for what it is, I had a lot of problems with it before playing it, but actually sitting down with it i came to understand that yeah they made a mistake with that ending, but they still did an amazing job considering it was just a bunch of kids who got together and spent nearly a decade trying to make a fangame of something they loved. plus we all just like to rewrite that ending a little anyways.

>>716535076
>mother
>tail
Who's gonna tell him?

>>716534192
Don't like the gray, and don't like how her dark world design is just Zartlet with the exact same clothes

>>716534426
Here's a couple of pregnancy art, some wholesome, some very suggestive.

https://files.catbox.moe/o74r1d.png
https://files.catbox.moe/xe05o5.png
https://files.catbox.moe/bx03yi.png

>>716534843
I guess you wouldn't know if you've just started posting here, but these threads routinely loop back to talking about how True Pacifist's ending makes less sense the more you think about it and runs counter to several characters' natures and motivations, but we're all still here for the parts that UTY got right.

>>716535242
Fair enough. I should probably play it. If only for the sexy fox mom.

>>716535151
Fair enough.

>>716535291
Also fair.

>>716532891
He's just based as fuck. Probably the closest thing to a Toby Fox character when it comes to the main cast.

>>716534192
I actually really like this design of her. I'm assuming this is how she looks in the darkworld.
Her normal form, and she then she goes into a more controlled Zenith form.

>>716535445
>If only for the sexy fox mom.
Hell yeah brother

>>716535445
>if only for the sexy fox mom
be warned, you may find yourself also loving the sexy retarded bird as well.

>>716531556

I'd suggest trying to draw this concept design of Deltarune Yellow Martlet.
>>716534192

>>716534190
>isnt a dyke
>isnt some sort of milf or granny
>apart of the main cast or atleast gets a decent amount of focus
I can't see Toby actually coming up with Martlet and not immediately making her a dyke

>>716534192
They really couldn't think of a cool outfit for her in the Dark World? They just got rid of the boots and left her tool belt and vest as is? The Light World design is fine, but Dark World outfits should be expressive and interesting. They should be beyond the mundane, something you wouldn't see in reality. Even Noelle's dress is something that would catch your eye on the street for its simplicity and formality.

>>716534192
This looks like shit

>>716535576
Wait, the bird is a girl?

Niceeeeeee!

>>716535982
I think this is her dark world design, as in both of the Martlet's here is what she looks like in the dark world.
That's probably why her normal form and zenith form has the same clothing and outfit, outside her boots being gone.

>>716536104
yes, she's dumb as a brick but hardworking dumb people are endearing.

>>716534936
that's what makes it funny.

>>716534583
>Reynault
he is a fox isn't he? he is going to suffer the same fate as Chujin in fanart then

>>716535576
calling the bird retarded isnt fair to the fox mom because she's also retarded.

>>716536245
the fox mom is also retarded, I love her too but I want to marry martlet and I want ceroba to get her family back despite how losing it was her fault.

>>716535982
To be fair Toriel's dark world outfit is pretty simplistic.
I think this design plays into her being a full time carpenter, something which she's implied to become after the quitting the royal guard.

Don't look at the comments
https://x.com/FoxGazerTales/status/1927218610910466361

>>716536125
Then Zartlet shouldn't be there at all considering Lightners don't really get a super mode in the Dark World. And even then, we're still back to her outfit being too mundane.

>>716535151
>so I'm not sure how much stock the rest of the underground actually has in Asgore completely destroying humanity, but I don't feel like arguing about this so meh.
Bratty and Catty mention that Asgore is going to destroy all of mankind once he gets the last soul

>>716536195
She's not even that dumb. Just scatterbrained

>>716536436
she is kind of dumb in an endearing way, not as dumb as ceroba but shes almost ditzy

>>716534653
Just play it for the Justice route

>>716534653
undertale's story breaks when you consider that flowey should've had no problem obtaining the 6 humans souls from asgore before frisk fell down, the "NO MATTER WHAT HE WOULDNT SHOW ME" line toby added doesnt make this make any less sense

who gives a shit

>>716536539
I couldnt do it, even if many monsters deserve it, martlet doesn't.

>>716536591
I tend to assume that either he couldn't get past Sans or Asgore. We don't really know how long it takes to absorb the souls anyhow.

>>716536415
It's the dark world, and in this case I think it works.
Rather than being a super mode, it can simply be a form she goes into when going into combat.
Looking at the design that seems to be case.

>>716536603
Do it for Clover, anon!

>>716536195
martlet is pretty smart and reasonable for monster standards, even if shes scatterbrained
that being said, not calling the royal guards to jump clover was the real most retarded thing in UTY

>>716536591
asgore hides the souls in the fucking barrier.
he needs to show flowey the souls in order for him to get them.
he's also best at backstabbing, an alert enemy is actually a problem.

>>716536730
Clover wouldnt want martlet to suffer like she does in justice route. i'm willing to argue that the line about "are you looking for a reason to hate me" implies that clover is having trouble justifying this kill.
>>716536789
as strong as clover was at the end of justice they would have held martlet back if anything. I get what you're saying but her going zenith was the best shot of stopping clover there.

>>716536429
Yeah, Bratty and Catty, the two dumpster divers who sell garbage in a back alley behind the MTT resort.

>>716536673
flowey has said he's killed everyone, this would include sans and asgore
he warns frisk that sans finding out about him caused him to RESET alot, but that doesnt mean he was impossible for him

>>716536415
I think her outfit works pretty well. Sometimes it's okay keep things not to out there.
Susie's dark world design isn't anything to flashy either. If anything it's more mundane that this design of Martlet.

Why didn't Flowey just fly the giant eagles to Mt. Doom?

>>716510601
asking again since its later in the thread
comments on >>>/vrpg/3812511
and more kanako themed green ideas.

>>716536591
Flowey isn't actually very strong, he gets bodied in most direct confrontations because he's really bad at reading his opponents' strength. He's decent at manipulating events to go his way, but bad in direct combat.

>>716536920
Most people agree that Martlet is the only monster Clover in the Justice Route doesn't hate.
Forcing themselves to find some reason to kill her would be the first obvious reason.
The second would be he also spares her unprompted without player input.
Justice Clover also respects her.

>>716536904
>asgore hides the souls in the fucking barrier.
>he needs to show flowey the souls in order for him to get them.
flowey has had INFINITE tries, including letting asgore know that he is his dead son
infinite tries to convince asgore, infinite tries to obtain information on where they are stored, infinite tries to do any and all plans
saying that asgore, put through an infinite amount of tests, will never ever no matter what ever give flowey even a HINT on what to do, is completely bad writing when he establishes that
flowey has truly done everything due to his ability

>>716537028
true, but hes managed to kill everyone atleast once

>>716536125
Really? Huh. I still don't like it. I know not everyone should be a combat-equipped badass in the Dark World, but if it's an outfit you can put together at a single retail store, it's probably too generic.

>>716536349
Toriel has a CROWN, for god's sake! There should be some fantastical, storybook element to the outfits, even if they're not too grandiose.
>Kris: hero archetype, flexible frontman for a party
>Susie: aggressive, intimidating brawler
>Noelle: understated dress, evocative of "damsel-in-distress"
>Berdly: tryhard gamer, thinks he's sci-fi Batman
>Toriel: regal nobility, meant to be admired but not touched
I'm sorry, but "modern handybird" doesn't do it for me.

This thing needs lewds. No further elaboration needed.

>>716536927
Yeah, but he could be speaking hyperbolically, in the same sense that you "kill everyone" in the genocide route, except for Alphys, and the various shopkeeper NPCs, and the various monsters Alphys is said to have evacuated to safety, etc. Flowey also talks out of his ass all the time, namely on the whole "not having feelings" thing, only for him to start crying and begging for his life in the genocide route.
It's totally possible for Flowey to have killed *most* people in the underground except for Asgore and Sans.

>>716536921
>Yeah, Bratty and Catty, the two dumpster divers who sell garbage in a back alley behind the MTT resort.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, those two are a good representation of what your average monster might think of Asgore's plan

>>716536920
>her going zenith was the best shot of stopping clover there.
Zenith backed up by the royal guard is way better than just Zenith

UT had monsters send their best immediately upon realizing that someone is genociding the entire underground. UTY has the monsters get to their king with a red carpet

>>716537160
this makes sense, the only ending Martlet doesn't die in clover has to die. they deserved better

>>716537335
counterpoint, zenith backed up by the royal guard gives clover something to emotionally harm Martlet with during the fight because he would cut through them like butter at such a high LV

>>716537217
but thats kanako even if I still think thats a stupid idea from the devs

>>716537217
there is one animation where futa spoon kanako fucks Alphys

>>716537486
Ok but think about Kanako spooning Clover, except literally

>>716537265
Most characters in the game who talk about Asgore, with the exception of Toriel, Undyne, and Bratty and Catty, don't talk about him that way, which was my point. The only people who think Asgore actually wants to exterminate mankind are people who either view him as an utterly tyrannical monster (metaphorically) like Toriel, or who look up to him without really seeing him for who he is, like Undyne and Bratty and Catty.
Papyrus, Alphys, Mettaton, and even various NPCs throughout the underground don't share this view of him, save for the conga line of random monsters at the end of the game who tell you about Asriel and Chara.

>>716537486
spoon nako is probably the most retarded idea officially related to the game.
you're telling me that they had "amalgamate boss monster augmented with raw soul slurry" and didnt even have a single thought about making her into a cool bossfight?

>>716536242
Reynault is the polar opposite of Chujin in terms of how a fox can be depicted. Even in the official media Chujin is still a tall, slender, demure nerd, with a decently effeminate asian features. The only thing that clashes with that is that he's married with kids and 7 ft tall. Even in the concept art, you can see that he looks pretty effeminate. >>716533771 just look at his pose in this picture.

Meanwhile Reynault is a short and stocky frenchman with pronounced facial hair, a strong jaw, a coarse voice, styling more akin to a western storybook, and a very confident demeanor. He's presented in a much more masculine way.

I suppose you could draw him as a femboy, but he doesn't lend himself to that like Chujin does.

Besides, I already have another fox who's much more on the effeminate side due to being asian and much younger than Reynault, so he'd probably be the one the femboy chasers go after.

>>716536125
>>716537172

Yeah I also got the impression both of the Martlet's here was what she looked like in the Dark.
I like the idea that she can go Zenith at will here, because I 100% believe she go those lengths if it meant she could protect Clover/Cole.
As for her design. I think it looks fine. It represents what Martlet is. She wasn't really a guard she was more of a crafter.

>>716537172
Noelle is a white mage crossed with the ice queen archetype, Berdly is Falco because he plays a lot smash and defines himself as a gamer

>>716537717
where are his ears

>>716537713
that's why I just can't believe the team when they say they didn't think about it, you're telling me NO ONE in the team said nothing about it in 7 fucking years?!

>>716523004
Someone asked a similar question on reddit and most users seemed to agree that Ceroba would move on after pacifist.
Quite different from multiple /v/ anons who want Ceroba to stay a widow forever. Most of those users thought the two would be "more than friends" eventually.
Picrel more or less sums up what fans outside of 4chan think of Staroba.

Thought of something funny: Megaman Undertale crossover. Given that Wily is
A)A human
B)A very fucking determined fuck that has survived worse things than anything the underworld can throw at him
He'd just reverse engineer every corner of the underground's technology, builds his classic wily castle, build 8 robot masters (who'd be using weapons that reference the human souls i.e. Ballerinawoman or Cowboyman, and also builts mettaton neo as an actual fight) and Megaman gotta stop him.

>>716538483
I want Ceroba single forever because Starlo belongs to Dina, not Ceroba.

>>716538524
>Undertale AU fan fic where Dr Willy falls into the underground instead of some dumb suicidal kid.
Could work.

>>716526228
Because real life is hideous. Why do you think anime girls are so popular? They simplify all the ugly things on the face like noses.

>>716537753
Dark world forms still have to look cool. Even if Martlet isn't actually that cool, she still gets assigned an RPG class to play that comes with a cool outfit.

>>716538483
As the anon who posted that post you're replying to (I don't have the (you) because I reset my pc between then and now), thank you, fuck.
I actually personally don't ship staroba myself, I was just using that image mostly as a joke about loyalty to dead people, but I could potentially see Ceroba and Starlo getting together, though Starlo would probably have to mature a bit more first.
Honestly, the real reason I want Ceroba to move on is because I'm a dirty selfshipper and I want her, but that's besides the point at this point.

>>716538673
make it the Ariga wily, i think Ariga wily would sympathize a little with monsters in the same way he hates how humanity casts robots aside. I dont think he'd sacrifice himself but i dont think he'd kill all the monsters either.

>>716537884
And both are still better than that Martlet design. That ranger design works better just down the fact that it doesn't look like her normal clothes but a different color.
>Susie
Has an outfit that screams punk rocker lass instead of sullen loner girl.