How does one create characters like pic related that feel derivative but are huge successes with tons of popularity nonetheless? What's Toby's secret?

>>717020548 (OP)
he's spamton 2 there isn't much you need to do to make it work

You give the character a lot of character

just make a character that doesnt give a fuck

>>717020548 (OP)
Design reflects the personality.
Tenna is extremely original but its designed is meant to be "antiquated", it has weird pixel sizes, does outdated dances and the like.
Tenna meanwhile feels like he's getting replaced, is insecure about not being as entertaining and modern and acts like it.

Design matches the personality, it is derivative yes but it is such a bullseye that it becomes memorable.

>>717020548 (OP)
The secret is that Toby is allowed to be as derivative as he wants because people will worship him regardless
Literally everything he rips off or "homages" immediately becomes attributed to him and treated like he invented it in the first place

>>717021312
>Tenna is based on Caine
I just can't see Tenna and not think that he was inspired by either Moonman or Max Headroom, especially given the time period he's supposed to be from

I LOVE TV

i dont care about this character

>>717020548 (OP)
I don't particularly like Tenna or Spamton.
The Knight is peak though. Was cheering him on when rekt Tenna.

what if dess actually looks like a nerdy girl and holidaygirl1225 is actually her account (or shared with noelle)

>>717022534
iirc noelle directly links to dess' account (it's a 404 but still) so holidaygirl is just noelle

>>717021312
how does toby keep getting away with taking designs, ideas and music from other games?

>>717023029
he put a magic spell on the homestuck fanbase to destroy any and all criticisms to his work

>>717022341
>him

>>717021312
Omega Flowey and Giygas have completely different narrative functions and yet people are stupid enough to fall for this.

>>717023128
not even just that, he has good ties with nintendo despite him obviously ripping off their games (and you know how nintendo is with their property)

Look at this beautiful thread.

>>717021312
This, he's a zoomer eceleb so he could shit on a plate and people would call it a revolutionary masterpiece

>>717023213
using masculine pronouns for someone of unidentifiable gender is perfectly normal in english
hence why we generally call kris 'he' despite him being female

>>717023029
most of his fans don't really play other games. it's a sample size of 1 so it all seems original.
>>717023128
this is just false though.
t. old head homosuck waiting for toby "i won" fox to make the same fall from grace as andrew "vriska won" hussie

>>717023395
he bound sakurai to his will when he defeated him in smash, and since sakurai is pretty big at nintendo the whole company now has to bow to toby's wishes

>>717021312
This image should include the original "skeletons named after fonts" webcomic that Toby gypped for Papayrus and Sans, not OFF.

>dess will never plant her giant deer ass on your face
let's admit it. we would've all betrayed susie.

>>717021965
I can see Moonman, but Max was always incredibly anti-'80s and critical of his medium and Tenna embodies actual love for TV, so they are almost opposite. Part of Max's charm was his lack of actual body or mobility with him being confined to his screen and having to use charisma and manipulation to influence people in the real world (using tv series lore here). Tenna is too active and omnipresent for that to work. I won't even get into the glitching stuff, since the only times Tenna does something similar is the Spamton gag.

he's a tumblr sexyman. tall+suit+quirky, somewhat twisted personality and he has a fucking tv head on top of that. tumblr and tumblr-adjacent freaks go fucking nuts over object heads especially tvs

>>717023969
conceptualize the aroma

>>>/vg/

>>717020634
Which annoys me because I thought Tenna was fun but I did not understand why people liked Spamton

>>717020548 (OP)
Make a story and make characters that flow into the story. Even if they're derivative, it won't matter because they still fit the story to the point where being non-derivative for the sake of it would be detrimental to the story. Being derivative is bad when you warp the story to fit around your derivative character.

>>717020548 (OP)
Toby's characters being popular is mostly a result of them already being in a popular game by a popular author. Tenna is mostly popular because of his Spamton connections, for example.

>>717021312
Why do you never add Mado to the Frisk's comparisons even though they have the same face?

>>717021312
>Not knowing the difference between plagiarism and inspiration.

Some of these comparisons are just batshit retarded. "OH LOOK A LIZARD THAT'S A NERD. STOLEN??"

>>717020548 (OP)

At some point things are just popular because they in popular things

>>717024168
dess's giant donut

>>717024573
kek tobyfags have only one line of defense and have to use it even when the creative bankruptcy is self-evident

>>717023969
How giant are we talking? I need some more photo evidence.

>>717021312
Some of it is very obviously meant to be homage, some of it is just ripped off

>>717023969
>>717024658
We call him /k/ris for a reason.

>>717024720
the only difference really between homage and ripoff is whether you make enough money to hire a lawyer.

>>717024661
Take your meds, Alex.

>>717020634
a small nosed mailman wrote this post

>>717024658
asking kris if he likes sweets so much, how he'd feel about licking a big hot chocolate donut

>>717021312
Okay so actual honest question here, why do people here get insanely asshurt over perceived lack of originality while the Japanese rip stuff from each other all the time and they love it?

>>717023029
Because he straight up admits it. There are no "gotchas" because that implies anything's hidden or secret. Toby straight up says frequently "yeah this is all the stuff I ripped off."

>>717023969
>>717024658
>>717024776
>that one comic of noelle scent marking kris so everyone knows he's hers
>it was actually dess who did it

>>717024959
people on /v/ have toby derangement syndrome and seethe over his existence

>>717024962
No he doesn't, he only does that when there's no chance of legal retaliation

>>717024949
>asking kris if he likes sweets so much, how he'd feel about licking a big hot chocolate donut
Ah, I think I understand you desslesterfags now.

>>717024661
Yeah that's because the accusation is so poor it's not really worth arguing.

Wow. Ralsei sure looks similar to Arthur. Wow Megaton sure did a song like in Final Fantasy. Wow Isn't it crazy that the showman character dresses like a showman character? Holy shit red herring villains? Stolen? Characters with big smiles and different color eyes? Ripped!

Implying there's any comparison with Alphys and Proffesor booster besides the fact that they both wear glasses is fucking insane. Yes UT/DT is heavily inspired by other RPGs. No that does not mean they are taking ideas from RPGs and dressing them up as different versions of the same idea. Susie is Molly Mcdonald because her eyes are covered? Nigger really?

does kris remember the saves?
what if he decides not to trust you at a critical moment if you did weird route

>>717024962
True, but he says it in the coy, half-truth manner.
>“When it comes to the west, you can play it and realize how unoriginal I am” -Toby 2023
There's a buncha quotes from him like that, pretty sure there's one where he says "here are the games I played, don't play them or you'll see how much I ripped off." It's the easiest way to come of as quirky and relatable.

>>717020548 (OP)
Just write every character like an ironic meme

>>717023969
>susie ralsei player fusion
Why do I feel like this might actually happen

>>717025142
I will pray for your eyesight anon

Honestly, I think Tenna is one of the most generic characters Toby ever made, and that's saying a lot.
>le wacky quirky hyper excitable wholesome bean character!
>except... oh le no... he has... a generic tragic backstory... and he's secretly teh evul!@@!1! but is okay because he just want friend! AHHHHH SAVE ME TUMBLRTROON!
Like I thought he was okay at first but then I realized that this nigga is literally THE most generic Tumblr character ever, and Deltarune is praised for utter mediocrity because its "fans" are all manchildren with no standards. This is not a shitpost. I completely stand by this unironically.
You're all tasteless faggots.

https://youtu.be/zBpUvvkKma0
You just know Toby is going to sample this song.

>>717025092
unfortunately 0% of the dess/kriss content is like that, it's all bad touching and forest stuff and no ass involvement at all. i just made it up. sorry

>>717025220
I don't need to have sight to see you're fucking delusional.

>>717025182
>Just write every character like an ironic meme
I call that LE WOJAK xD theorem

>>717024967
>kris comes out of dess's room smelling like literal ass
>everyone thinks humans naturally smell like that and pay it no mind
THE PERFECT CRIME

>>717024967
>it's not scent marking using dedicated facial glands like actual animals do and what that comic references
>it's just ass
>>717025337
GET OUT OF MY HEAD

>>717025272
Damn.

>>717025309
>pic
grim

>>717025251
>i spent $25 on a game i didn't like

DRIVING IN

>>717024573
>game i like: took inspiration
>game i don't like: plagiarized
there you go.

>>717025439
>i spent $25

>>717025439
Erm no I actually le pirated it (watched it on youtube (actually just siphoned info from /v/ threads))

>>717024959
because people in the west have been degenerated by jewish philosophy and worship copyright like a god

>>717025251
>and he's secretly teh evul
play the game nigger, tenna is derivative as all hell but he ain't evil in the slightest

>>717025439
YOU THINK I SPENT MONEY ON THIS FUCKING GAME?
Holy fuck, I haven't laughed that hard in a minute. Thanks, retard.

>>717025176
The only time SAVING is mentioned is by Ralsei, once.

>>717024959
If you borrow an idea here and there, whatever
But when your ENTIRE CAREER banks entirely on using music, soundfonts, character designs, and concepts from other media in everything you do? Especially when you're treated as some pinnacle of originality and the most important figure in gaming history?

>>717025251
With Tenna I at least get why he's so wacky. He's starved for attention after the family moved apart and the advancement of technology left him in the fucking dust.

With Spamton I feel like there's nothing there besides "I want to make it big because reasons" and I can only do that by pretending to be something I'm clearly not. His schizo behavior is much less relatable in my opinion.

>>717025703
>lol yeah bro I kidnapped and used your mom as hostage and also tried to kill you because you wouldn't play with me forever (not evil btw)
You have a dangerously low IQ.

>>717025272
>>717023969
>>717024949
>unfortunately 0% of the dess/kriss content is like that, it's all bad touching and forest stuff and no ass involvement at all. i just made it up. sorry
wait really?
what the hell is the point, then?
you dess x kris fans never had an older friend thats a girl, or one of your big sister's friends that you had a crush on? why would i want her to jerk me off or finger me? i wanted to see ass, tits, plump vag, and get kisses

>>717025738
>wan piss

>>717023969
>SWOON

Captcha: PP0W0

>>717020548 (OP)
You just need to communicate an interesting idea as clearly as possible. Tenna's full of personality and his sprites reflect that in spades.

>>717025854
thats not evil, that's desperation, tenna is a good guy

Krusiechads, where are ya?

>>717025782
>Especially when you're treated as some pinnacle of originality and the most important figure in gaming history?
I think it's weird that people pretend that women are supposed to be the hysterical, emotional gender

>>717023969
>that sword

>>717025878
no what I mean is there's lots of molester dess stuff (mostly posted by the same handful of people over and over and over) but it isn't BUTT STUFF

>>717023969
How does one simp this hard for a character we quite literally haven't seen yet

>>717025309
Christ, why does 4chan get so bent out of shape over things like "ironic" writing while letting shit like this fester for years?

>>717024573
Yeah, because this is clearly inspiration and not just blatant plagiarism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVvCCqC3Cik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkrtO3wnuuY

>>717024959
It's either bias or a lack of knowledge.

>>717021312
I remember when I first played Deltarune and saw Susie I immediately thought of that bully from Arthur, glad to see I'm not crazy

>>717025787
Spamton at least feels like a reasonable character, because something about the Knight and Fountain seems to utterly break their minds and makes them go fucking crazy, for the most part. There's literally parts inbetween his dialogue at the shop where it seems like his consciousness is splitting apart. It's unsettling, but doesn't feel "phony". This isn't about relatability, it's about characterization. You're surprised you didn't relate to the character who is willing to give you a weapon that traumatizes a teenager and doesn't give a shit? I'd be surprised if you DID. You seem underage, do I'll cut you some slack for unironically having "relatability" as a priority in writing. At least for Spamton, he knows he's a piece of shit and doesn't try to excuse it. He admits as much in the normal route, which is why he's surprised Kris would accept them despite being such an asshole. It feels much more rewarded and believable.

>>717026124
For years people have had the headcanon that Dess is literally just "Susie but a deer" and now Toby is throwing those people actual bones. It's very calculated, very exact. He knows how long superobsessives latch on to a character even if the character archetype is repeated.

>>717026124
>rowdy deer girl
>concept is sitting on kris's (who would be a good bit younger than her) face
I don't need to see her to get behind that.

>>717026178
I think it's more insane that I saw more similarities to Arthur in Persona 4 and I remember people thinking I'm crazy for suggesting it.

>>717026159
>IT'S OKAY WHEN WE DO IT

>>717026168
>this is clearly inspiration and not just blatant plagiarism:
Unironically, yes. They're sufficiently different.

>>717025974
Ah yes, the tactics of a good guy: trying to kill you over his trauma, preventing you from saving the world, abducting family, manipulating you, hiding things from you... you didn't have a good childhood, did you?

>>717026168
Of course the comment section on the Earthbound video is just tobyfags gobbling his shit up and praising blatant plagiarism.

>>717026168
this is the one song i'll give you, as it actively took me out of the game when i heard it
take amalgam for example, it clearly uses earthbound's soundfront but it's a unique song that is clearly different from the ones in earthbound

>>717026276
thanks for reminding me i never had a bigger girl sit on my face in a 'teasing' manner
my life has been nothing but regrets

>>717024959
After hanging around /vp/ for a couple of years, I think it's autism - literal "on the spectrum" autism, especially when it's coming from tendies who think that something is original just because it was their CHILDHOOD and their CHILDHOOD is ontologically unique and precious and super special, so they think all the media they consumed was formed purely from the aether and doesn't have any traces of just outright ripping tons of shit off wholesale

>>717020548 (OP)
>draw a tall guy in a suit
>make him off-kilter
>he's "villainous" but also "sympathetic and redeemable"
>imply vague homoerotic undertones with another character
Congratulations, there's your recipe for making a character that has huge popularity.

>>717026573
i am sorry anon. i can only hope you are a manlet and/or find a taller woman.

>>717026338
tenna, like queen, doesn't know jack shit about the roaring and what the knight is working towards. he did toriel a solid by keeping her safe from whatever fucked up shit lurks in the couch dark world. he didnt try to kill you, the final boss fight is just a sparring match, why else would he give you a point limit you have to reach in order to beat him?
>manipulating you
>hiding things from you
lol

>>717026686
>manlet
>finding a taller woman

>>717020548 (OP)
He made undertale any shit he makes will be popular

>>717026241
>There's literally parts inbetween his dialogue at the shop where it seems like his consciousness is splitting apart. It's unsettling, but doesn't feel "phony".

Yeah that's a good poi-
>You seem underage.

And you lost me.

All I said was I could at least see where Tenna was coming from. I'm not a big fan of either of them but at least there's something there besides "he's mind broken because Singed made him cuhrayzee!" ala Arcane.

>>717026775
Not with that attitude.

>>717026903
she dumped him

>>717027037
...into the tub, and joined in soon after.

>>717025309
/qa/ still won

>>717027158
why did she jump in there's a shark in the water

>>717021965
His name is McTonight, you dolt

>>717024959
I don't remember much of Yu Yu Hakusho despite watching it in it's entirety but somehow I feel comparing Sasuke to Hiei is an insult.

>>717024030
>he's a tumblr sexyman

But he's NOT SEXY. Why do people think he's sexy?!

>>717027446
tv head. as for why they find that sexy, that's what i'm trying to understand

>>717026770
This is a whole lot of cope.

>>717023969
>kris tries to go on his own (like at the end of chapter 4) because she hasn't been normal in so long
>shows him something like this and he's back to being enslaved
I feel bad for my nigga Kris, but envious.

>>717024959
I might have this wrong but wasn't Astro Boy literally inspired by Mickey Mouse who was inspired by older anime and it got to a point that no one could figure out if the east inspired the west or the west inspired the east?

>>717024967
You can't say such things without giving us the source

>>717027537
>Meanwhile Asriel dumped this for cat pussy and then human pussy.

>>717026168
>>717026374
Oh, this is just fucking obnoxious

>>717027586
ok
artist is roly

EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND POST BRATTY NOWWWWW

>>717027724
Kissed Bratty too. Asriel is a retard and deserved to be cucked by Kris

>>717027724
>dumped
asriel forced himself to move on after a while because he saw how it was destroying everyone else
he probably hasn't moved on either he's just pretending he has

>>717027827
Good shit, thanks anon

>>717021312
Comparing Caine and Tenna is unfair since Caine was a Spamton ripoff in the first place.

>>717024959
hilariously enough 4chan it itself is just straight up a ripoff of 2ch but retards here probably think 4chan is wholly original

>>717027923
forced himself to move on after dess disappeared, i should specify

>>717026049
I refuse to believe anyone has nostalgia for 1.4 Terraria.

>>717027827
>all of these type of comics become canon
>all of the susie love, desslester, noelle love
Who would Kris choose between the three? No harems.

>>717027923
we'll see
i think it'd be more interesting if he had actually moved on, to contrast the absolute shitshow of hometown and kris

>>717027586
>>717027827

>>717020634
Spamton was just an advertisement to build hype for part three but I almost wonder if he overshadowed it.

>>717025251
I somewhat get what you're trying to say and I probably have shit taste but this just isn't true, nor is it as big of an issue as you are presenting it. I have bias since I find Tenna charming more than I did Spamton, and while Spamton has intrigue he is tied to lore relevancy when Tenna is just a normal character. (Even then Tenna is also an exploration of Kris and his back story as well) He's an antagonist not because he is evil, but because he was overbearing and the cracks were showing as early as his literal first scene. The fucking fun gang agreed to everything almost entirely up until they found toriel, and his comments about the insecurity were everywhere. Sure insecurity being a tumblrina theme is common, but I don't think its generic or anything, the intent was clear. It was a hyper exaggeration of lighter tone right as the fun gang were starting to develop conflicts with itself, and the knight entering like it did was a capnote to that, he served his function well. It just sounds like you wanted him to be something else.

>>717028086
i can see that happening as well, but considering that noelle tells kris that dess wanted to take her to the city one day, dess likely wanted to gtfo of hometown too, probably with asriel, noelle, and kris

>>717027901
>Asriel is a retard and deserved to be cucked by Kris
Kris can have Dess, humans are better.

>>717027827
god scent kink noelle is so hot

>>717028170
First off,
>using fun gang unironically
Clear sign of you being mentally stunted.
Second,
>agreed to everything almost entirely up until they found toriel
Blatantly not true, they got tired of it after the third game and wanted to snoop around to see what's up. How the fuck do you speedread a game as basic as this?

how do we tell tumblr and X that Suselle ain't happening?

>>717028649
I've said it before but I finally realized that shipfags don't actually like romance, they're way more invested in the idea that Ship A defeats Ship B at the expense of some character they don't like, and if you removed all the dumb love triangle shit that adds nothing to the narrative they would legitimately lose all interest.

>>717028582
that's why noelle is going to lose susie
she doesn't realize susie has a scent kink herself

>>717028803
They're powerscale faggots for media that doesn't have power level shit in it

>>717028803
At last, you truly understand. Step 2 is realizing that those shipfags also are very loud and make a lot of free advertising, so it costs the author nothing to include dumb love triangle shit to string them along for 7 years even if he intends to never give anyone closure.

>>717028803
Never gave a fuck about ships, I just like the characters.

>>717029104
Then you're not a shipfag, retard.

>>717029148
Obviously, what the fuck sperg?

>>717028649
They don't mind because Krusie is queer for them.

>>717028803
I would literally kill Toby if he made Suselle canon and no additional route for Krusie

>>717028803
Don't you know 99% of ships hinge on delusional headcanons? They're like chuunis but for fanfiction romance. It's why it's funny to see them utterly seethe when they don't get what they want.

>>717028803
personally I realized shippers were full of shit when they kept rambling about "chemistry" but you see basically zero Ralsusie shippers (Ralsei and Susie interactions literally carry 90%+ of the game because Kris is a stone wall)

>>717029309
More and more people are challenging the Mandela effect gaslighting that tumblr invented in that Kris is nonbinary while literally having no proof other than their interpretation of they/them pronouns in the game

>>717029371
i just don't see any romance between the two of them
their relationship feels more like older sister/ younger brother to me
i wonder if it's supposed to parallel dess and kris?

>>717029371
It really feels like older sister and younger brother. Ralsei has zero romantic chemistry with anyone. He is like a pitiful cute dog, not a romance character. Thats why nobody cares to draw them. Its actually what Susie think of Noelle too, but Toby tries to bait people into yuri so that crashout in chapter 5 is more surprising.

Speaking of pronouns, we've won the Deltarune battlefield but there's still the Undertale battlefield to win. Currently the troon mod has 11 likes, making us win by 4. Pump those numbers up, gentlemen.
https://gamebanana.com/mods/604093

>>717029415
they like to say that toby himself said it but when you look into it the best you're going to get is toby correcting the fangamer guys who accidentally called kris 'he'
i'm also noticing more people toy with the idea that kris is actually female, which is in stark contrast to how femkris was just a niche porn thing in the ch1/2 days

>>717029529
>i just don't see any romance between the two of them
BECAUSE RALSEI ISN'T A HUMAN
THAT'S IT

>>717020548 (OP)
I can see how someone that does a game like deltarune would love what the TV did to him.

>>717025251
Shut up.

>>717029803
anon people speculate on romance between dess and asriel entirely due to noelle talking about the past with them and the contents of dess' closet, it's not because neither susie or ralsei isn't human
and besides, ralsei is for clover anyways
the gote needs his daily oral sandwiches

>>717028803
I like this ship firstly because it's cute. Secondly to enjoy it with my fellow anons who also enjoy it. Thirdly for some banter with the Susellefags. I actually don't think any of these characters should have a romantic ending with each other for the sake of the story. But it's fun to enjoy nice things.

>>717029763
i dont think he even corrected them, he used some robotic voice over and it might only sound as if he's correcting them, but he actually just repeat the phrase in order to agree with what had been said and just used his neutral pronouns as he trained himself to only use it in order to not ruin the "unspecified gender" headcanon he created with both Kris and Frisk

>>717021965
Spamton is closer to Max Headroom

>>717021312
I can tell the person who made this is retarded because they saw Onceler in Ralsei's design and not Snufkin

>>717029763
>kris is actually female, which is in stark contrast to how femkris was just a niche porn thing in the ch1/2 days
FemKris was always decently popular in Japan. In general, female humans are popular there.

>>717027446
Even by modern over-generalized definitions, tumblr sexymen are definitionally quirky/unconventionally attractive (if attractive at all) in their source material. Being legitimately sexy disqualifies you.
Traditionally they were sexified by fanon (see: Bill Cipher and Tony the Talking Clock being remade in the Once-ler's image because they wore bowties), but a lot of modern/old but fit the criteria are just taken as-is because they have humanoid body plans anyway (Alastor, Caine, Tenna, Jack Skellington) or achieved the status through other means (e.g Sans who resembles the Once-ler in sheer amount of selfcest instead of design).

>>717030060
I think Krusie ending would have been peak kino. I didn't feel anything when Undyne kissed Alphys at the end of Undertale. But Krusie kiss would save the world and end the war in middle east.

>>717029371
Anon, when the relationship between the characters is so obvious, there is nothing to ship!
Kris is an ideal character for shipfags because he's a pseudomute and (we) are encouraged to interpret his feelings by his actions instead of unambiguous statements.

>>717020548 (OP)
Tenna is literally a test tube baby tumblr sexyman, he has all the qualities that fit the stereotype so hard that it cant NOT be intentional.
>Object head
>Wears a suit
>le quirky and loopy in the head
>has history with other sexyman
>has significance history with the protagonist

Any other ships jobs to (YOU) x any character. This game was made for self inserting.

>>717030529
(You) x your sexdoll is the best ship.

>>717021312
>Tenna
I wonder if Toby has ever played Garfield Caught in the Act on genesis. Chapter 3 reminded me of this game a lot. It also takes place inside of a TV + has a final boss thats a pre-rendered sprite

>>717030529
This is what matters.
I don't give a FUCK about your Krusie, your Kriselle, your Krisriel, it's all about ME.
The hips a roided out Susie breaks belong to ME.
The one who fucks and chokes out Noelle is ME.
The one who gets fucked by a spiteful futa Toriel is ME.
The one who gets his head shit on by Tenna is ME.
NO ONE ELSE.

>>717024341
>design that can be interpreted as creepy or ugly-cute
>sympathetic and compelling backstory
>quirky speech pattern
>great boss theme
What's so hard to understand?

>>717025908
>Fagon Ball

>>717030193
Why does Kris have such a huge cock here?

>>717031140
Didn't you see his sprite, one leg is thicker than the other for a reason.

>>717030973
SOUL-sama... I fucking KNEEL.

>>717029849
Holy YUM

>>717030529
The best ship is MExMy right hand

KrusieGODS
KralseiFAGS
SuselleDYKES
KriselleRAPISTS

Why does this fandom pretend that chapter 4 was serious from start to finish?

>>717029639
NYPA

>>717031140
(You) are a pervert.

>>717030973
This man is truly a fan of DELTARUNE.
Not sure about the scat tho...

>>717031852
SuselleQUEERS
It's any kind of fag that likes this awful pairing

>>717021312
>>717023029
There is an extremely easy way to get away with unoriginality that not many anons know. It's called "making the game fun and having good writing" and if you do it most people won't care who or what you ripped off

>>717020548 (OP)
If you have seen one TV head character you've seen them all, they are almost a template of "cool and mysterious" with traces of edge. This one is a man desperate to feel useful and wallowing in nostalgia of a better time when he was part of a family and the center of attention

>>717032213
>it's called "making the game fun
It's decent at best.
>and having good writing"
LMAO

>>717025782
Great, soundfont autist is back again

>>717022534
>that episode of recess where Vince's literal Chad of a brother, that all the kids remember as being really cool, turns out to basically be Urkel when they finally meet him again
>Kris's recollections of Dess is actually this in full effect

>>717032523
i think about recess a lot. especially the episode where TJ does everything he can to make some kid like him, and the moral at the end is 'eh, can't please everybody, sometimes someone just doesn't like you.' and i think about how toby never saw that because of how hard he's fucking forcing susie being loved by all

>>717032602
Kill yourself, krisellefag.

>>717032727
you have once again mistaken general complaints about toby's pet as anything related to "the enemy ship," and i implore you to get your head out of your asshole.

>>717032523
I feel that's more likely to be Asriel than anyone else.

>>717032523
Would be VERY funny if Dess was actually a massive fucking insecure dork who just went through a phase like a typical teenager. But Toby's not that based.

https://youtu.be/cfvB-bVpH7Y
Kris I... fucked your mother.
I didn't know you were her child, actually.

>>717032803
You should feel like a retard because no one even in-story thinks Asriel "golden church boy, king dork of the geek pile" is cool. Other than Burgerpants, I guess.

>>717032971
it's ok spamton, anyone but sans

>>717026004
Late, but here.

Reminder that Berdly has no future because he's retarded and depends on Noelle, and will most likely kill himself as soon as they all graduate (if (You) don't do it first that is).

>>717032850
There are lots of chances for subversions like that, but none will happen because you've gotta understand, these characters have to be as one-note as possible both so that Toby's English fans can make obnoxious art of their basic character traits the easiest, and so that they translate properly into Japanese so those industrious little fellows and their total misunderstanding of humor can slot them into their own dialect-based stereotypes.

>>717032971
>Remember me Kris...? When I fucked you mother I talked [Just] [Like] [This]!

>>717033092
nah he'll get his growth character arc trust.

>>717033198
bro he had his arc at the end of chapter 2, and now we're past the arc and he's back to haha obnoxious gamer joke who thinks everyone loves him

>>717032981
Kris does.

>>717030973
Faggot.

>>717033092
>Reminder that [HEADCANON]
He TANKED BITCHelle's PATHETIC spell btw KWAB

>>717033262
I forgot because I always skip the ferris wheel scene.

>>717026168
Complaining about this is very ironic consider how much MOTHER 2 takes from other musicians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_oc9Ypcb2Q

The name MOTHER is literally a Beetles reference. People who care about art don't seethe over stuff like this, they appreciate it. Also, on whose behalf are you getting offended for? Itoi doesn't seem to have any animosity toward Toby Fox. He casually name drops UNDERTALE during an interview about MOTHER 2.

>>717023969
wrong he's actually doing this to motorboat dess' fat tits

>>717021312
Some of these are valid. Toby admitted that the design of goat monsters like Toriel and Asriel are directly ripping off the Mimigas.
Others here are stupid. The Mettaton opera scene, for example, is a parody of that scene in Final Fantasy. I don't think you can call it a rip off when it wasn't trying to be original in the first place.

>>717024341
Spamton arguably has the best boss theme in the game

shout out to asriel for beating the gay allegations and instead coming out as a straight bottom

>>717033497
damn it's almost like all art is ultimately inspired by other art

>>717033701
shout out to asriel for beating the gay

>>717033701
>Gay allegations
Always was /v/ slander.

>>717028649
tumblr's already moved on man

Fan art of Asriel brutally murdering troons.

>>717034081
>Kris/Noelle that low

>>717034081
>Kris x Berdly
>5.4%

>>717024341
He's a schizophrenic spam bot who lives in a dumpster, what's not to love?

>>717034072
it wasn't helped by him choosing to look like one of the biggest cock huffing furry twink fuckboys in video game history

>>717034381
THE BIRD
WILL FINALLY COME INTO THE CAGE.

>>717034453
thank you caliborn

>>717031567
Heello nurse

If Kris never existed, the Dreemurrs would be happy. They might not even be divorced.
If the Dreemurrs never existed, Kris's body would be hanging from a rafter somewhere.
Kris should be more grateful

>>717030973
Based as fuck holy shit

>>717033092
He might get Noelle for himself on Krusie ending

People who don't know why Spamton is great/popular genuinely bewilder me. They have to be either retarded/underage/aphantasia or some other variant of brainless. Maybe it comes from being raised on surface level slop like Harry Potter, One Piece, JJK, or some other retarded shit that has no real depth to it, but Spamton is a fantastic character. I don't really like Toby's writing in most other departments but if you don't "get" Spamton then you might have to "get" your head checked. And no im not going to explain why Spamton is good either, anyone with a grade school level of media literacy should understand why he is.

How popular would deltarune be if the genders of the main cast were swapped

>>717035515
susie would have a lot less fans

>>717021312
I genuinely hate Toby Fox.

>>717035515
everyone would hate susie
noelle would be considered an incel and the gayest homo this side of faggotsville
berdly would be considered best girl
kris would be about the same, maybe have some memes about her fucking the gay out of noel
ralsei i also think would be about the same

>>717035957
Lmao Noelle's popularity would SKYROCKET because he's a pathetic faggot lusting for chad cock, it's every fujo's wet fantasy

>>717035943
yeah
it's hard not to unless you're blind, even if it's only a little

>>717035515
opinions on Toriel and Asgore would be like they are now from the start

>>717036046
never said noel wouldn't be popular
i know how crazy fujos are

>>717034451
You're warped by fanart. In game he doesn't look like a twink, he is bulkier than Sans, Papyrus and Mettaton.

>>717026168
I hate this fucking faggot so much

>>717020548 (OP)
trannies

>>717033497
It's really funny when you look back and see Earthbound Beginnings straight up put Pippi Longstocking into the game and didn't even try to make her distinct at all.

>>717026168
dump btfo's zombie paper tho

>>717021312
>dishonest image made by an obsessed contrarian.jpg

>>717035515
>Kris
Nothing changes because they're gender neutral in canon. In fanon spaces she's Chara 2, kuudere edition.
>Ralsei
Waifu option
>Susie.
Extremely controversial character ala Bakugo.
>Berdly.
Has extremely obnoxious waifufags
>Noelle
He gets Ralsei’s current fanbase.

>>717032850
>Would be VERY funny if Dess was actually a massive fucking insecure dork who just went through a phase like a typical teenager
You mean like Susie but a doe?

>>717035436
Spamton's only weak side is being a part of chapter 2 which is a lot more lax in its pacing for story beats, which unfortunately makes his introduction very scuffed.
>Oh No There's A Traffic Jam Kris Go Fix That
>HEY EVERY IT'S ME
>Anyway back to the main plot
Once you actually get into his side quest proper it's great, but you can really tell Toby was struggling to fit everything together in a way that flows neatly, so he masked it with comedy.

>>717020548 (OP)
>What's Toby's secret?
Appealing to autistic furries and having homestuck fans following his farts

>>717024959
The real reason is that /v/ is contrarian central so popular things attract people who want to make up reasons to hate the popular thing. Also it makes for good engagement bait. You'll note the contrarians have tried to make threads about how they dislike Toby's games but the critique has been so milquetoast that they prefer to discredit the developer.

He keeps winning and it keeps causing endless levels of seethe in some obsessed individuals posting here.

Nerf the knight

tenna is the worst part about chapter 3 he's so forced and uninteresting and just a worse spamton

>>717027572
>if the east inspired the west or the west inspired the east?
as usual, they ended up inspiring each other. But yes, anime as we know it has its roots in Walt Disney's legacy.

they're finally catching on to stuff we've been saying for months.

Buff the knight?

>>717024959
I think some people (one schizo to be precise) have trouble differentiating between inspiration and plagiarism.

>>717037146
4chan is first to everything, colour me surprised

is she the greatest antropomorphic childhood friend character of all time?

The tail which must not be followed.

Kris and Noelle are going to ______________.

>>717037369
i wonder how long it'll take before they realize that kris fits the prophecy for the second hero/ the girl the best out of anyone atm

>>717021312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIowwZThIXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK3KXAECte4
He literally stolen Megalovania from earthbound

>>717036440
Every single Dess take is deer Susie.

>>717037507
its susie's tail

>>717020548 (OP)
Sincerity
There is really one thing that toby fox has going for him, and that is be free of irony poisoning. His works are wholly sincere.
In this era where fucking EVERYTHING is tainted with not wanting to be "cringe" deltarune is just "nah, be cringe. You'll be happier that way."

>>717037545
that image is pure kino

>>717037741
that's why she's so protective of it holy shit

>>717037598
It's true. I saw him do it. And he said he'd rape my dog and give him aids, if I tell anyone.

>>717037545
BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO CUUUUT ME OUUUUT.

>>717037005
Filtered, but that's ok. CLASSIC TV... sometimes just takes a little TIME to APPRECIATE!

>>717037470
I believe so.
>>717037646
Isn't that kind of the point? Since she's Dess-lite for Noelle.

>>717037598
He should bring Dr Andonuts back from the Halloween Hack into the world of Deltarue. It's the best character he ever wrote.

>>717037545
Get stronger

>>717024341
He wants to be a BIG SHOT but he's down on his luck.

>>717037146
Xitter is only good for the art, not the theorist posts. Especially western ones.

I fucking LOVE TV.

>>717036396
>Berdly
I would be one of them

>>717037545
>>717038202
Kriselle and Snowgrave art is always kino.

>>717038128
Kinda fricked that every member of the dreemurr family is fact a murderer/potential killer.

>>717038868
How is toriel a potential killer?

>>717026159
nobody wanted the wojack niggers on /qa/, the mods let them fester.

>>717038923
She fucks everyone in town, who knows how many diseases she has.

>>717038923
She can kill Frisk in undertale.

>>717037507
catti and jockington murdered dess you heard it here folks

>>717039086
>you will never get Ralsei pregnant
Why even live.

>>717037507
What did they mean by this?

>>717039297
Yeah, by accident.

TOBY YOU FAGGOT RELEASE ALL THE NEXT CHAPTERS ALREADY, I WANT TO BEAT UP THE KNIGHT AND FRIEND AND GASTER AND KRIS (EVIL) AND AND

>>717038469
>>717038213
>>717039307
>>717039603
You are sooooooo quirky XD

>>717038923
she may have had a hand in disappearing dess

>>717039297
Dying to Toriel is the equivalent into jumping towards a moving train.

>>717039603
ralsei's 12 inches are for impregnating susie and kris
maybe also noelle

>>717033701
where the fuck did the piles of dust shit come from anyway?

>>717040021
>ralsei and noelle child
the kid would unironically grow up to be a serial killer

>>717040124
iirc it's a schizo jaru theory that asriel has been secretly dead the whole time and everyone is just lying that he went to college
because the dust piles in the closet obviously are dead monsters

>>717038128
>Hey Noelle, did you ever notice our first names together are an anagram of KILLER ONES?

>>717040174
Perhaps even, a serial murderer?

>>717040124
Jaru predicting dustners before anyone else.

>>717028649
I find it really interesting that people dislike Kriselle because of rape or whatever and always talk about it like it's "heteronormative allegory". What happened to the they/them faggotry?

Noelles face looks like the delta rune

>>717040315
>>717040706
do people actually believe it, or has it been hit with the same warhead that woody theory got?

>>717040919
They don't see Kris as a girl. It's the same reason they think Kris wearing a dress would "own" us, and why they hate busty Chara.

>>717041470
It's not going to be completely deconfirmed until we see Asriel in person on screen in the light world interacting with other lightners, but it's treated as more of a joke than a serious theory these days.

>>717041470
Nobody outside of Jaru does, but at the same time nobody believed his resurrected Gerson theory.

>>717041630
>but at the same time nobody believed his resurrected Gerson theory
I knew he would be important all along, given that it's one of the names Gatser acknowledges on the vessel screen

>>717041536
It's funny because I would honestly don't mind Kris getting confirmed as female to fuck over the they/them twats.

>>717041630
>nobody believed his resurrected Gerson theory.
Nobody believed the full Oberon Smog thing but Gerson coming back in some form was a reasonable resolution of the Alvin scene in Chapter 2 and people had already thought about monsters coming back to life via the Dark Worlds because of Rudy's likely imminent demise and Noelle's set up for a massive crash out.

>>717040919
It's because the heart doesn't lie, everybody knows that Kris is actually a dude.

>>717034214
If it's any consolation I think Kriselle is a second pick for most.

Krusie has the dynamic of a wholesome loving relationship that'll last, Kriselle is more like a Romeo and Juliet style tragedy. Fluffy vs edgy

>>717040373

>>717042003
>Gerson coming back in some form was a reasonable resolution of the Alvin scene in Chapter 2
Don't kid yourself, most people used that as Alvin Knight evidence.

>>717032602
I thought that was a weekenders episode

>>717030973
>into scat
>futa
>abuse
>manly women
Why are Deltatroon faggots so degenerate?

Queen, Spamton and Tenna are all identical characters

>>717021312
This
His fanbase is literally a cult

How would you react if Chara was introduced as Asriel's friend in Ch5?

>>717042968
I would be bewildered but then ask how the fuck Chara somehow de-aged themselved in Undertale.

>>717042968
shout kino

>>717043123
Chara finds a way to become a higher being in Deltarune, so things like age don't matter to her anymore

>>717043230
...except they're explicitly a child in Undertale.

>>717043123
anon we're 4 chapters in and you still think the undertale ages have any relevance?

>>717042968
Goon to all the porn of canon aged up Chara. Doubly so if Frisk is with her.

>>717043123
many of the characters are 'younger' in undertale compared to deltarune, or rather many characters in deltarune are older
which is why asriel is in college, gerson died of presumably old age monster kid is a teenager, etc
so going by that logic chara should be about the same age as asriel, if she exists in deltarune, that is

>>717042968
i'd be happy, i've been wanting to see the little shit but not totally fucked up in some canon way for years

>>717042968
Depends on how his character is handled, but it would be off-putting, since Kris is already the weirdo gremlin and already had Dess as the weirdo gremlin enabler. Frisk would be better since that would provide a friendly stable human presence that Kris can, after the initial go-fuck-yourselfery, warm up to. Chara would only be done decently if it leads to the similarities being pointed out and Kris thinking it means Asriel is trying to replace him, but that would be dumb given what we know of how close they were as siblings.
I'd be fine with Kris being the "what if Chara had a semi-normal upbringing instead of being able to martyr himself for a revenge fantasy" comparison.

>>717043306
I'm saying she's above things like her physical form being static

>>717040616
Can't wait for Kris' second sibling, Rassape to make their appearance........

>>717042968
Overjoyed, because I would finally have a willing vessel.

>>717042968
could be kino

>>717044182
>willing vessel
>Chara
Since when were you the one in control?

>>717044343
Who said anything about being in control? I called the demon's name and it answered.

>>717021312
Audibly laughed out loud at the ralsei comparison. Top kek

>>717044343
That's only if you are a bitch and reject her.

>>717042968
Only if Chara comes back with WIDE hips

Toby plagiarized so fucking much in his game. I'm... I'm shocked. I can't believe I worshiped this jewish weeaboo cocksucker. I'm throwing out my Ralsei plush ASAP.

I don't care about Toby referencing shit. All artists in the renaissance did was draw the same Christian and Greek/Roman slop over and over and over and over again

>>717023029
David Bowie said it best: " "it's not who does it first, it's who does it second"

Rip off good ideas from less popular things

>>717025251
You know it makes me happy to know you're going to waste your life away seething at a video game which the creator doesn't even know you exist

Is it me, or there's less Darkner art lately, outside of Spamtenna stuff?

>>717045356
That's how it was in Chapter 2 as well. People latched onto Tasque Manager and Swatch until the sensationalism of Addisons and Spamton took over. There's way too many Addison OCs.

>>717045356
Fujos are too powerful, the weather duo are yesterday's news

>>717024959
Japanese tend to respect one another's creative ideas and are open about what inspires. And its usually borrowed from something far enough apart that it doesnt step on toes.

Americans love to steal and deny they were inspired from something for ego reasons, money and fame.

Toby is at least honest about what inspires him.

>>717045237
It makes me happy knowing you'll remain a delusional, mediocre, embarassing excuse of existence that's solely allowed to breathe for the purpose of being dunked on for others' amusement.

>>717045356
Ehh, I dunno, there's a lot of art of the mikes.

Man, the fan base to this series baffles me. The essay-length shit that you guys write about silly characters.
I thought undertake was a cute little darn game though, and I enjoyed it.

What if Noelle was straight?

>>717045594
undertale is a cute little darn game, but that's all it is.
Deltarune's the REAL game. The one undertale was built on.

>>717045356
Spamtenna is the first actual fujo pairing in the series, it will drown everything.

>>717045601
Straight FROM YOUR HOUSE

>>717035515
>skirt and mary janes Kris

>>717045356
Deltarune has gone on long enough for people to be more attached to the lightners and for there to be more story surrounding them, in comparison darkners aren't really all that interesting

>>717045671
toby will never surpass undertale without the bonebrothers getting the same amount of justice

>>717020548 (OP)
Does anyone see Tenna's antennae as his eyes similar to a snail or just as an eyeless guy with a nose and mouth?

>>717045469
The fujos chariot can’t be stopped

>>717045671
Ramb deserved being turned into stone for this.

>>717045594
This post is proof that you lack critical thinking.

People are gonna feel pretty silly when this stupid cat that I hate doesn't even have a pointed tail

>>717045807
Chapter 5 will be the skeletonkino we earn for. Sans pacifist fight. Papyrus secret boss. Believe.

>>717045958
i hope toby didnt set up something cool again with minimal payoff, like weird route

>>717046007
>pacifist sans fight
>papyrus main boss
>sans schizoboss because he's ralsei's gerson, or just papyrus schizoboss
What are the chances of any of these happening?

>>717025337
>>717025380
>ass
deer pussy has a much stronger scent, a mere fat anus will not overpower it

>>717046135
>Pacifist Sans
High. Toby has to play off this in an actual game:https://youtu.be/x6OUm-HSeFQ
>Papyrus main fight.
Unlikely. Already confirmed it's Asgore or his golden flower.
>Sans schizoboss.
Very unlikely. Toby isn't doing Sans again and Sans mentoring Ralsei is very OOC.

>>717046135
Jockington is the chapter 5 schizoboss

>>717034081
>krusie is more popular than the yaoibait ship on tumblr
I kneel

>>717046729
Total Krusie Domination.

>you can draw kris with a beard and a kid with Susie
>but the second you refer to kris as a guy people go apeship
This fucking fandumb man

>>717045356
feed all fujos into a meat mincer

>>717020548 (OP)
I'm gonna sound vague as fuck, but it's a question of how do you see and listening to what you feel about the base idea, how good you are at letting yourself feel things will determine how well you can write characters based on simple concepts like "TV show host" here, people's feelings about things are almost always guaranteed to be different.

>>717026004

>>717045594
So this is what gaslighting looks like.

>>717046937
It really is that simple. You can draw kris as the buffest, manliest macho man, but so long as you say their pronouns are they/them, you won't get shit because some trannies can assume that the hypermasculine kris was originally a girl at birth or some shit.

It's the perfect get out of jail card, Toby Fox was giving us the method all along.

>>717045469
Remind me of how you got a bunch of content of various undertale characters until the sans singularity happened and it was just nothing but sans reskins fucking frisk

>>717046135
I just want Toby to finally deliver on Sans, if Deltarune really is his home universe.
How does someone with 1HP even begin to obtain the hardest attack patterns in both games? Why does he have KR as a form of fighting? How can he teleport, hit you in the menu, and come to conclusions (like infinitely stalling an attack) that other monsters should reasonably also figure out? How can he attack you first? Asgore is implied to dodge a child Undyne, but why does he dodge out of every other monster?
What the hell is going on with his eye when he uses blue attacks?
If being named after a font means you're a skeleton, what is his relation to WD Gaster and why does he own Gasterblasers? If they're not his, why the FUCK does Papyrus have them? If he's saying "our reports", WHAT reports? That's UT only there, so HOW is he getting these "reports"?
Who the FUCK is grandpasemi?
If he has pictures of people that FRISK can't recognize (meaning most people from hometown are out), who the fuck are in them? Is there a THIRD universe he's from? How can he tell how many times someone has taken a fucking shit in the past year, just by looking at their face?
WHAT IS THE FUCKING MACHINE? WHY DOES HE HAVE A TELEPORTING DOOR DIRECTLY FROM A DARK WORLD?
I DONT FUCKING GET IT
4 CHAPTERS
AND WE HAVE ZERO
ZERO FUCKING ANSWERS TO A N Y OF THESE QUESTIONS
IF ANYTHING, WE NOW HAVE EVEN MORE QUESTIONS
TOBY IS UNIRONICALLY TAKING TOO LONG
I CANT PRETEND TO HATE SANS ANYMORE GUYS IM SORRY
ITS BEEN ALMOST A DECADE OF MY FUCKING LIFE. 1/3RD OF MY LIFE.
I NEED TO KNOW

>>717046937
Non-binary people can still look like their birth gender, chud!!!

>>717046808
By the way, I'm seeing lots of art of Susie licking Kris. I wonder if it's another thing from Toby's design documents that everyone intuitively understands as true.

Chp4 lowkey kinda mostly ass with a few highs, not even close to the highs of chp4 though. 4 is a whole lot of walking through featureless corridors with "le ambient music" plus it has the miyazaki swamp part too where they make you walk even slower in the fucking dark.
Toberutia missed with 4 In my opion

>>717047197
I love Frisk but I really hate when Tumblrinas drew her ugly or off-model in that singularity. I do love "fanon" Frisk, though.

>>717047252
Absolutely, but he probably can't say it.

>>717047334
>highs of chp4
Chp3 oopsie poopsie, and its high key shit compared to chp2.
Did toberin glycerin fall off?

>>717047691
Chapter 2 is fucking dogshit albeit

It's time to admit that King actually nah nobody gives a shit about King kekaroo

>>717047382
He's just biding his time for the right moment to say it.

I want Female Kris to kiss Female Asriel

>>717045356
im always looking for shit of regular ass Darkner enemies lul

>>717046135
>sans schizoboss because he's ralsei's gerson
Gotta love that the fanbase can't go two weeks without creating a brand new way to show how they don't understand their own favourite game.

>>717038190
tl:dr

>>717047729
It's still the best Chapter.

>>717048396
the philosopher

>>717020634
It’s like you put Queen on an epic plate of Spamton.

>>717020548 (OP)
>What's Toby's secret?
Have an army of sycophants that will convince themselves that everything you do is a masterpiece for no reason.
Have you noticed that no one outside of the already established Toby Fox fanbase cares about this nobody?

>>717042968
I'd shoot my screen and scream kino

>>717048672
this is me with nintendo desu

>>717033092
He's going to get together with Susie and ensmarten her to the point of where their just both just two stupid people instead of functionally retarded people.

>>717039856
anon, don't make fun of me when I give you a legit answer to your stupid questions

>>717046135
>>717046467
Forgot to add
>Papyrus schizoboss
Extremely likely. It's the best Snowdin mirror for Reverse Undertale, it fits with Toby wanting to give us fanservice fights (special attack) and Papyrus is a weirdly important character for how absent he is.

>>717023358
>they both look completely different
>Giygas's fight is what you've been building up to this whole time while Omega Flowey's a surprise boss fight that you didn't expect to fight after Asgore
Is it because you have to call for help a number of times to win? Even then that comparison doesn't make sense because you're calling upon the human souls instead of the people you meant along your journey like in Earthbound. The second part of Asriel's fight in the Pacifist Route would've been a better comparison. I don't get why people think they're similar either. Is it really just because they're both scary final bosses at the end of a mostly whimsical and fun adventure?

>>717034085
he is one though

>>717049070
spamton NEO is giygas

>>717023969
What was young Kris thinking at that moment?

>>717049226
"I will hold this over that stupid nerd bird for the rest of his fucking life"

>>717047203
This situation reminds of one popular manga I used to read, which in it's second half goes so off-rails with character moral drama and ships that most of the important plotlines from the first half are being ignored or forgotten, the plot has been moving at snail's pace despite the supposed doomsday prophecy pushing the narrative in very narrow minded direction and the main villain is yet to show up
Also, you guessed it, the author also self inserts as a autistic supporting female character who kinda likes the protagonist, just like Toby's favourite fursona Noelle

>>717020548 (OP)
> What's Toby's secret?
He is lobbied by his (((relatives))), plus he caters to the Reddit audience.

>>717030360
i hate tenna so much. i cant stand his pandering ass

>>717026124
Vibes.

I just hope real Dess ends up being ugly and evil.

>Hit me all you want Kris…You’ll never unrape the Christmas Doe…

>>717026168
when is zun suing for the apple girlington theme anyway?

>>717049512
Vessel is not (You)
(You) are the Red Soul
Vessel wil come into play much later

>>717028068
> Who would Kris choose between the three?
Who cares? I'm the one making decisions here!

>>717049226
I was a real player

Why are Krusiefags obsessed with cuck porn?

>>717020548 (OP)
This particular game was in development for 10+ years so if you are not ready for that just stop

>>717029331
Based

>>717020548 (OP)
hate this tv faggot so much

>>717049972
H-How has he been practicing…?

>>717032850
I will note she is pretty unpopular. Nobody in hometown really seems to remember her ouside her close friends and relatives.

>>717030529
(Me) don’t care about relationships and love. (Me) is here to save the world. And (me) will save the world. At any cost.

>>717044816
what is this shit

>>717042968
I would be overjoyed. Chara and Gaster are our only friends in this world.

>>717049417
Still find it funny you abandoned the Lisa creator.

You wanna be a big shot don't ya?

>>717027923
>forced himself to move on
Asgore and Kris didn't, what a fucking fag

>>717050212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhF8AgBR8hM

Why did she say this shit to Susie?

>>717040174
The difference between Ralsei and Noelle and Kris and Noelle is how likely they are to find the bodies.

>>717049417

>>717050252
Kris literally sold his soul to a interdemsional entity in order to bring Dess back. Asriel meanwhile is slamming gator chicks in college

>>717042968
I really doubt Asriel will come back before the last chapter, but Chara(And Frisk) being college budies is a fun idea.

>>717043714
>already had Dess as the weirdo gremlin enabler.
Dess honestly seems like the one person who has zero tolerance for his shit.

>"what if Chara had a semi-normal upbringing instead of being able to martyr himself for a revenge fantasy" comparison.
Agree. Though, he might still be sacrificing himself anyway.

>>717038042
happened to me

>>717050297

>>717020548 (OP)
Secret here is literally just making him clash with the rest of the game visually

>>717038042
This. Tenna made me feel so nostalgic about TV.

>>717044816
Adult Chara really took after Toriel in all the best ways.

>>717028803
There's really no other direction the discussion can go without it, you can only have education or a clash of antithetical ideas when you talk to people online.
That doesn't mean people don't truly like the ship, it's just the only avenue that continues any conversation. The ones who just post what they like and don't engage with anyone else become spammers.

>>717050287
She's a backstabbing Harlot.

>>717050286
Is the crash cymbal during the chorus in this song coming mostly from the left or has my hearing in my right ear gotten completely fucked?

>>717049358
Kris is Toby's self insert.

>>717050287
To sink Kriselle (It failed).

>>717027923
Nah. He's going to show up at the end of chapter 7 to talk about how Dess was never a good person.

>>717050701
Reminder Frisk is the one who canonically wears that outfit in a newsletter.

>>717050287
had to beat the human fucker allegations it didn't work

>>717050746
> Skub

>>717021312
>>717025782
I fail to see the issue. If it's such a problem, then why hasn't anyone sued him for plagiarism?
Also half this list is really reaching. Especially the Flowey one.

>>717044816
i wish humans were real

>invites a teenage boy into her room and closes the blinds and starts scooting closer with her eyes closed
What did she mean by this?

>>717023969
does sex

>>717050212
I do, but i dont have a chance

>>717051008
Yeah. But Chara also looks really good in it. It's just a naturally cute/Sexy outfit.

>>717051207
>Asriel almost had this
>Fucked it up.

>>717051315
True. How does Toby do it?

>>717051451
blame chara for eating flowers to try and start a race war

>>717051451
chara's pussy wasn't really on the table for him, how was he going to get it after their soul-nabbing suicide pact was done with?

>>717051214
Kris telling her that he wanted to protect her is all she ever needed to hear to fully trust her body and soul to him. She imvited Kris to her room to confess her love and be taken.

>>717050287
>doesn't care that Kris is in danger
>strangles Berdly and is even willing to potentially kill him if pressured
>can't even be assed to ask who Ralsei is or even question why he looks like Asriel
>talks shit about Catti to Susie
Noelle is kind of a piece of shit.

>>717051451
Doesn't regret it.

>>717020548 (OP)
deltarune would be so much better if kris didn't exist
Why didn't we get to play a normal human?
the fact we puppet some stupid teen adds nothing to the game

>>717050836
Yeah, it's not just you

>>717051517
Asriel should have told her not to and promised to marry her and make her queen.

>>717051532
Just wait for her to die of old age after a lifetime of bliss and happiness.

>>717050287
>Kris blushes when the ferris wheel is mentioned
i swear that ferris wheel is going to be the main plot device of everything that happened

>>717051631
Well, he probably regrets dying and all that.

>>717051617
>talks shit about Catti to Susie
When was this?

>>717051617
>can't even be assed to ask who Ralsei is or even question why he looks like Asriel
when she thinks it's all a dream why would she even do that

>>717051742
Please god let chapter 5 be the end of all of this relationshit

>>717051742
It was the, heh, high point of his life. Just before everything went downhill.

>>717051617
>strangles Berdly
She wasn't strangling him dumbass her hands were too low for that

>>717051882
Why would it be? It’s literally one of the main plot points

So what the fuck was his deal?

>>717035515
I don't there would be a single Susie fan in existence.

>>717038128
>Since she's Dess-lite for Noelle.
For Kris too.

>>717051742
>>717051882
>>717051892
My guess is that there will be some sort of relationship point system where depending on previous answers you get a date with either Susie, Noelle, Berdly or none as default

Gersons fight is mad bullshit. Not fun

>>717051957
I am not fixing this love life of this fucking traitorous rat who would kill me if he could. I couldn't care less about who Susie makes out with, stop forcing me to watch them go ga ga. I just wanted to fight strong opponents.

>>717052113
for example
Ferris Wheel: 1 Point
Gift: 1 Point
Telephone Answers: 1-3 Points
Tea: 1 Point
Other Misc Answers: 2-4 Points

>>717052130
it took me 7 attempts
my susie could heal 60 hp
he also deals too little damage when you're low on hp
too easy

>>717052231
About the same as I did. I just do not enjoy the green heart bullshit, didn't in undertale either

>>717052130
Just use Susie's heal whenever you can. It makes the fight really easy since he does less damage when your HP gets low.

>>717051764
He doesn't. He says he has no regrets after meeting STACYrisk.

So what happens if you use a toilet in the Dark World and sealed the fountain afterwards? Would you just piss or shit your pants in the Light World?

>>717052113
I feel the games are heavily datamined that such a system would have been uncovered already.

>>717051975
xe wanted to tease the old prankster Kris if it was still there

>>717052113
>>717052392
Closest thing to that is Ralsei Tea being updated to go to 100 HP if you don't tell him to keep smiling IIRC, despite the Teas going rotten

>>717052295
Isn't he talking about not fighting back?

>>717051824
During the basement segment in Noelle's house. She brings up wanting to watch her favorite movies with someone and when Susie asks why she doesn't just watch it with Catti she basically says she won't watch movies with Catti because she thinks her interest in magic is annoying.

>>717051848
If I saw someone who looked like someone from my childhood in my dream I'd be inclined to at least say hello.

>>717051952
Sorry, she just violently shook him over pussy. Is that better?

>>717051987
Nah, she would be no controversial but still have fans.

Nobody would excuse her telling Kris that her mom would be happier without him though. Or, for that matter, male Noelle watching without doing anything.

>>717051662
yeah but chara wanted her revenge and didn't want to wait to naturally die

>>717052447
Yeah, but that's what led to his death.

>>717052441
So... you would have to beat Noelle's 300 points for Susie?

>>717052604
through doe rape

>>717052540
Odd, don't remember that.

To be fair, Catti does seem pretty obnoxious to be around. It's just kind of harsh considering catti does care about Noelle.

>>717021312
These examples look extremely forced.
Also, EVERYTHING is based on something anon.

But for the love of GOD I just want to know where all the humans are at here, GET ME OUT OF THIS PLACE

Why does it want Kris to get some deer pussy so bad?

>>717052552
I know. Frankly, I wonder if Asriel could have stopped her.

>>717052561
Yeah, but im assuming he still regrets taling the soul and letting Chara off themselves.

>>717052745
It's based and cuckpilled

>>717052745
kris acts queer with susie
With noelle he can be a man for once

>>717052726
they're in gaster's dungeon, he's creating the human race for testing of soul-powered war machines and only kris passed the test run for autonomy out of all the other vessels

>>717051617
>talks shit about Catti to Susie
Bizarre how Toby shot this one particular lesbian shit after just teasing it a few days before release.

>* Yeah! Gosh, I used to watch it, like, religiously, faha.
>* It'd be nice to... have someone to watch it with again.
>* Heheh.
>* ... what about, uh, Catti? Doesn't she like scary stuff?
>* Umm... well, she just... takes it a little serious?
>* Like, analyzes all the magic and stuff. It's a little...
>* Haha, that's wicked annoying.
>* Umm, no, no! ... but... yes.

I also feel that dialogue was Toby attempting to explain how he actually approaches his stories. As in, he doesn't really care about the rules or lore consistency, he cares about the moment to moment raw emotions you get.

>>717052062
>both Dess AND Asriel substitute in one dino
I wonder how she's gonna feel when she realizes a lot of her interactions are echoes of a dearly missed past

>>717052643
Does that change tea?

>>717052745
Carol wants it.

Imagine setting up your daughter to marry a human, peak pr to revive your dying town, only to have her turn into a dyke.

>>717052381
Dark Worlds aren't dreams you birdbrain

>>717052879
that's so boring
Catti is cool

>>717052726
they are in mus_st_meatfactory.ogg

>>717052879
His rules and lore are pretty consistent though outside the ocasional meta moment.

>>717050996
i also expect that
he'll probably get his ass beat by at least three people if they hear him say that though

>>717053004
y noelle obese?

>>717052726
God I really hope there's some schizo conspiracy shit with this town. Or something like you cross the police tape and there's just no evidence of there being civilization anywhere else type shit. You go through the forest a bit and there's just black void type shit.

>>717052880
I don't think she's replacing Asriel necessarily, I think even Kris is projecting Dess into Susie.

>>717053041
Drank too much eggnog

>>717052995
Only Noelle. Since Rudy will be dead. Carol will be mentally broken by losing Rudy. And if Kris is still alive he'll probably have realized she's no good for him.

Asriel is a scalie
Dess is not a lizard
make the math

>Catti immediately cuts ties with Kris just because he's hanging out with Susie
gagshit character

>>717052879
>It'd be nice to... have someone to watch it with again
Kris. She's talking about Kris here.

>>717053095
i think carol would smack asriel for talking shit about her daughter
maybe kris too if everything he did was to get her back

>>717053053
I could see that. Would explain the internet blackout. Would be very mother 3 though.

>I think even Kris is projecting Dess into Susie.
Do you think Dess and Kris got up to similiar antics as him and Susie?

>>717053163
it's dess you dumbass

>>717053053
if kris is projecting dess on to susie it's a very minimal thing, i think it's more susie reminds kris of dess and that's one of the reasons why he likes her
kris seems to understand the difference between the two of them, and doesn't try to get susie to do dess specific things

>>717053181
Well, assuming she was no good it's probably because she tried to take Kris soul or did something else. Asriel was just the first one to notice that dark side and cut her off.

Why do we assume Kris likes Dess anyway?

>>717053462
hot

>>717053462
>Tenna: Didn’t you think she was just so…COOL?

>>717053462
> * Oh, Kris! Remember DECEMBER? Oh, that little musical prodigy...
> * Remember when she'd grab the remote and swap it from cartoons...
> * ... to that WILD music video channel Toriel FORBID you to see?
> * Dess, rocking her guitar and singing along with those nasty, nasty songs!
> * Didn't you all think she was just so... COOL?
> * HECK! Maybe you could get her to come back and watch again sometime!?

>>717053574
that's tenna, not kris

>>717053462
tenna confirms that kris thought she was cool and if dess = the knight then we can infer that kris actively tried/ tries to emulate her to a degree

>>717053462
Kris looks up to her in the same way he looks up to Asriel and probably seems both of them as a quasi-mom and dad due to how shit Asgore and Toriel's relationship was.
But since shes a woman people instantly jump to thinking its romantic instead of a kid trying to mend the last potentially functional family he had back together.

>>717053462
He probably sacrificed his soul and freedom so he can try to bring her back. Can’t get more clear than that

>>717053679
>implying kris wouldn't fuck asriel too

>>717053574
>>717053601
>>717053664
Tenna is plausible but not much of a confirmation. Knight is a bit more likely, granted.

>>717053679
Weren't asgore and toriel fine before Dess vanished?

>>717053695
True. But right now that's speculation.

>>717053875
Doubt it considering how quickly it deteriorated.

>>717054031
We don't know how severe the incident was. Or how long it took for the marriage to fully fall apart.

>>717053875
>Weren't asgore and toriel fine before Dess vanished?
That incident with the eggs in Asriel's birthday was definitely way before, but Toriel might be just picking the bad memories for the sake of her spite.

>>717053462
Kris has a ''promise'' and Carol is suspiciously okay with Kris, so i assume the promise is related to Dess and Kris is willing to do anything to bring her back
Of course this is if the promise is related to the Holidays

>>717054598
Why would Carol not be okay with Kris? They've known each other for a long time.

Do agree the deal being related to Dess is very likely.

>>717049754
>>717049320
>see post and go to reply
>two likeminded chads already did it for me
Based.

>>717049226

>>717050297
AIIIIIIEEEEEE NOTAGAIN NOTAGAIN NOT AGAIN FUCKFUCKFUCK