Thread 717039461

>Invent forcing players to have a launcher to play their games like half life 2 and CS
>Pioneer sale of 'digital licenses' instead of games, couldn't even refund them until they got litigated
>First ones to popularize paid gacha lootboxes in the west
>Invent the battle pass system
>Tried to make players have to pay for mods

HOW can gamers love this corporation so much??

omg i just love having all my games in one place

the fact that they used to make great games and the whole "hecking wholesome chungus gabe savior of pc gaming" meme of the 2010s bought them infinite goodwill

>>717039759
Your SSD you fucking retard

Agreed.

Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

aaaaaaaaand what were the alternatives at the time?

le heckin' gaben dood!
I love gaymes as a service!

>>717040092
kek

>>717039461 (OP)
>>Pioneer sale of 'digital licenses' instead of games, couldn't even refund them until they got litigated
Nobody on PC gives a fuck about physical because that shit is a file I can just pirate back onto my PC if valve goes full evil overnight.

>>717039461 (OP)
Lol sadly they have dota 2 so all that really matters to me if epic had that i wouldnt really use steam

>>717039461 (OP)
>First ones to popularize paid gacha lootboxes in the west
Nah that was FIFA a full 2 years before valve

>>717040472
Buying physical games that you actually own.

Now that doesn't exist anymore, but we can at least buy digital games that we actually own, on GOG, itch, and many other places.

>akshully you dont own shit
Yeah whatever i guess you dont own any of your old consoles and console gamds either according to some bullshit license agreement that nobody gives a fuck about or have the power to enforce. Unlike steam that can just close your account

>>717039461 (OP)
You lost, Tim.

>>717040815
Once they implement ID login just to open your web browser, and it's coming, say goodbye to piracy.

>>717040985
>Unlike steam that can just close your account
You still have the files physically on your PC that you can launch from the folder
>b-but muh drm
You mean the steam drm that is so easy to crack everyone and their mother day 1 cracks any game withit?

>>717040985
>that we actually own
No you don't, still just a license

>>717039759
Yeah there was no way to do that before Steam.

>>717041128
>You still have the files physically on your PC that you can launch from the folder
Vaste majority of games 90%+ have steam or other drm, the steam drm games will not be able to launch after 30 days.

>>717041128
>You mean the steam drm that is so easy to crack everyone and their mother day 1 cracks any game withit?
No reason to pay to pirate, just pirate all steam games.

>>717041128
>Steam is good if you pirate to bypass using Steam

>>717039461 (OP)
I'm not installing Epic again Tim, I fell for that once and buying a single game was a fucking nightmare

>>717040472
Here's a summary of what that was like for the zoomers:
>be me
>want pc game
>go to gamestop/kb toys/toysrus
>entire pc area is like 30 titles
>if you want something that didn't come out in the last 2 years they have to special order it for you
>come back in 2 weeks or call them every day to check the status
>alternatively: hunt bookstore/grocery store for gaming magazine (or subscribe if you're a nut)
>comb reviews/paid advertisements for contact information of distributor/publisher
>send check/ cc info by mail
>see your game in 3 weeks
>turns out the review/description on the box was horseshit and the game sucks
A storefront with sales, posted reviews, near-unlimited streaming data downloads, constant updates & corrections, built-in discussion forums is not some kafka-esque nightmare that consumers unwittingly stumbled into. There are always trade-offs, if there was real demand for permanent copies GoG (installs are download-able) and Indiebox (physical DRM-free data drives with the game) would be bigger.

>>717040985
you dont your own shit on itch, or GOG either. places like GOG only actually works in writing if you actually download and backup all your games, which is going to cost you more than buying the game. and if steam goes "down", valve said they'd release a DRM cracker because why not? theyre going down they could do it, they only enforce DRM to appease the (((major))) publishers who only like the console model because its the easiest in terms of sales and not having your shit pirated constantly.

>>717043661
>go to gamestop/kb toys/toysrus
Found your problem. Fry's had like 6 full aisles of PC games all the way up to like 2010

>>717039461 (OP)
Because they're based on being based.

>>717039461 (OP)
Gamers tolerate valve because despite your cherrypicking, they do the least evil of available options other than pirating.

>>717039461 (OP)
>Pioneer sale of 'digital licenses' instead of games
This was always the case since the dawn on software since copying bytes was trivial you underaged b&

>>717039461 (OP)
>>Invent forcing players to have a launcher to play their games like half life 2 and CS
They provided a good reason for it that wasn't just a vehicle for bloatware, spyware, and ads.
>>Pioneer sale of 'digital licenses' instead of games, couldn't even refund them until they got litigated
Digital is convenient and far better than the rancid DRM that infested physical at the time. They've yet to take away any of my games over the past 20 years while my console libraries have rotted. They also rolled out refunds globally when they didn't have to. Corporations like Nintendo still do not offer refunds.
>>First ones to popularize paid gacha lootboxes in the west
Free cosmetic drops in free games that I can sell for actual money. I could not care less.
>>Invent the battle pass system
I don't know enough about this to argue.
>>Tried to make players have to pay for mods
They tried to facilitate a way for modders to be paid with the reasonably assumption that modders making money would produce better mods. They backed down when met with backlash instead of trying to plow through with it like Bethesda did.

>Pioneer sale of 'digital licenses' instead of games
this was already the case in EULAs and other installation media
nobody reading it because that shit's too long doesn't mean it wasn't the case
just thank your lucky fucking stars it was valve software that got to the digital distribution forefront and not EA or activision

>>717039461 (OP)
>Pioneer sale of 'digital licenses' instead of games
Literally every single game is a digital license and this has literally always been the case. The bit of plastic it's stored on does not change that.

Why do 4tranners love to pretend that StarForce was heckin epic?

>>717045983
>ER MAH GERD I FUKKING LOVE SECUROM
/v/ will say anything if it involves hearkening to a Better Time (wasn't better)

>>717043948
>you dont your own shit on itch, or GOG either.
By your definitionyou dont own your physical games either you gair splitting faggot

>valve said they'd release a DRM cracker
>B-b-but valve said
Lmao
>that they will crack all the games for us!
LMAO
>theyre going down they could do it,
Yeah if they want to go to prison
>they only enforce DRM to appease the (((major))) publishers
You mean Valve?

>>717043948
>they only enforce DRM to appease the (((major))) publishers
Oh yeah the literal inventor of online drm only did it to appease other publishers, publishers that didnt sell any games on steam until 5 years later

>>717046624
Valve made securom?

>>717046785
Securim was offline until Valve succesfully trained the s()yim to accept online DRM

>>717039461 (OP)
IT
JUST
WORKS
>everything in one place
>cool discounts
>events during discounts(although they've been lacking in that department for some time)
>make your own profile
>cool new stuff added like Remote Play, Spectate Game and other

>>717047073
Wrong.

>>717039461 (OP)
Gabengoblins don't play games, they just keep accumulating shovelware in their steam library

>>717046512
>they only enforce DRM to appease the (((major))) publishers
>You mean Valve?
valve own the majority of the big publishers??

>>717043948
>valve said they'd release a DRM cracker because why not?
They also allow goldberg and make their own drm solution intentionally basic and piss easy to crack. It was literally only ever about appeasing the publishers and the sheer number of games on steam vs gog is proof of why it was a good idea.

>>717047219
Whatever helps you cope over your $80 asset flipped, retroactively shat on, shovelware.

>>717047235
Jew

>automatic updates for games
>community features
>MASSIVE sales on games
>all games in one library

Say what you want but Valve was the first one who actually did it right.

>>717047439
how is me using the triple parentheses making me a jew. are you 14?

>>717047265
>It was literally only ever about appeasing the publishers
Steamie delusion knows no bounds. Valve strictly created Steam as a DRM for their own games and nobody else. It wasn't until years later it became a distribution service for other publishers games.

>>717047586
Jew

>>717047607
It was created to manage updates. Their DRM remains piss easy to crack and is not mandated. You can get games entirely DRM free off Steam. Valve dominating and steam shoving its big deck dick up your ass is all the proof you need that they were right and you remain wrong.

>>717047607
every PC game during that time already had DRM are you retarded?

>>717047775
>and is not mandated
Forcing online login is DRM you retarded zoomer. You literally cannot install hl2 without complying with (or breaking the TOS and bypassing) Valves online DRM, even if you have a physical copy.

>>717047849
Literally none of them had online DRM, Valve invented it and then got you retarded niggercattle to love your slavery

>>717047949
So gog has drm now?
Consoles forcing you to buy them is also drm.
I guess needing the internet at all would be drm.
Games should just rain from the sky for free.

>>717048071
Extreme levels of pilpul from the steamies as usual. Steamies are spiritually jewish.

>>717048057
Securom

>>717048057
Like you would know, fetus. Fuck off with your strict activation limit fellation.

>>717047409
but enough about new releases on steam

>>717048207
I can't think of a single base game on steam that's $80. That's pure console kikery.

>>717045259
It's not like they could do anything about it when you had a disc with all the data on it instead of an account that can get revoked

>>717048170
>>717048179
securom was offline only until after steam had succesfully trained the niggercattle to accept their online drm slavery, lil zoom zoom

>>717048057
DRM is still fucking DRM retard. back then you had to keep your DVD/CD in the drive or the game can't run even if you fully installed it. and during that time it was incredibly common to have your Disc drive just stop working because you were burning a lot of CDs. if that didnt work, you either had to have a no CD crack, which btw. is TOS so wow defeats your argument. you might as well just pirate games if youre just going to do that.

>>717041095
I'll just use a different browser
?

>>717048357
Securom was online before steam existed.

>>717048365
Pilpulimg kike keeps moving the goalpost. You literally cannot open your mouth without telling a lie

>>717048447
you can try it for yourself if you want faggot

>>717048161
By your own braindead logic, gog is drm considering it also forces you online to login to an account.
But that aside, where do you buy your shit? Whose dick are you sucking? Cause unless you're just a pirate with a massive stick up your ass over steam for some reason despite them facilitating easy piracy by getting all the games onto pc, I guarantee you're a hypocrite.

>>717048365
>the game doesn't work if your hardware physically breaks
>this counts as DRM

>>717048542
>By your own braindead logic, gog is drm considering it also forces you online to login to an account.
Only if gog sold physical games that required you to login

>>717048680
ok i see the bait now

>>717048779
Valve pays indians to shill for them

>>717039461 (OP)
How can gamers love Nintendo so much? if company does things to please its fans despite the negative things they've done. The real question you should be asking is how in the blue hell does Sony or Microsoft have any fans at all?

>>717048869
I don't think anyone but an extremely retarded diehard audience likes Nintendo at this point. A fair amount might still put up with Nintendo, but they don't like them.

>>717043661
>permanent copies GoG (installs are download-able) and Indiebox (physical DRM-free data drives with the game)
is there any specific reason that gets in the way of steam doing this? and i don't mean like, they don't want to or people don't want it, i mean is there any legal or programming reason that steam couldn't do a similar system and just let developers and publishers decide the level of drm they'd want in their game and let gamers have a gog-like install package they can move around?

>>717048829
ahh yes indians, they love paying full priced steam and not free games on the epic games store

>>717048161
>Steamies are spiritually jewish.
steam and steamies are still free to do whatever, unlike other platforms
i don't think they are spiritually ((((())))))))) yet, but they are working to make it so

>>717048979
my guessing is that they don't want to step on CDPR on GOG with that if theyre already doing it. valve doesnt mind competition as long its not microsoft

>>717048949
People still like them, their stuff wouldn't sell if they didn't, it's just commie/pirate faggots that hate them but no on wastes time with those Snoys, Xbots, or chink handheld buying faggots anyway.

Its mostly the sales that keep me on but they are getting much shittier

>>717048979
There are DRM free games on Steam that you can run without Steam installed and copy/transfer. That's already entirely up to the developer.

>>717049098
You can buy a product and still think the corporation is a piece of shit.

>>717048295
And they're not deleting data off your HDD either.

>>717049009
jeets buy triple AAA games for 1/6th of the price light skin humanoids pay
jeets also have no notion of "savings" or "economy" since they're impulsive spenders

>>717048404
>Detects you're not using (Mainstream monopoly browser)
>Site bans entry

they also made Linux a viable gaming OS

>>717048979
There are DRM free games on steam.
You argue in bad faith, and pretend this isn't true.

>>717049303
Nintendo may be a piece of shit, but their a piece of shit that still follow the old ways of making games which gives us games of the decade. SIE and Microsoft Gaming are just pieces of shit through and through.

>>717050051
>that still follow the old ways of making games
They literally dont lmfao

>>717050051
>but their a piece of shit that still follow the old ways of making games which gives us games of the decade
As a former fan who grew up with Nintendo I could not disagree harder.

>that still follow the old ways of making games
Ask a Zeldafag if they follow the "old ways"
Ask a Mariofag if they follow the "old ways"
Ask a Smashfag if they follow the "old ways"
Ask a Pokefag if they follow the "old ways"
ahahaha
kekeekekeeke

>>717039461 (OP)
>First ones to popularize paid gacha lootboxes in the west
that was maplestory

>>717039461 (OP)
It's a white man's platform. You wouldn't understand.

>>717049589
>spoof (Mainstream monopoly browser)
>enter site as per usual

>>717050161
>>717050208
They don't make AAA slop, so that's the old ways.

>>717050694
You say that, but they're charging AAA prices for worse experiences. Nintendo peaked 25 years ago and it's been a slow decline ever since.

>>717050694
>They don't make AAA slop
BoTW was AAA slop
Donkey Kong AAA slop
Odyssey?
Believe it or not, AAA slop!

>>717050989
AAA is based on cost and how much money that's put in Nintendo's games don't come close to how much money is put in actual AAA games, so, they're pretty much AA games with gameplay as the focus, what video games should be, not the trash that comes from Microsoft, Sony, or most of these AAA companies.

>>717051990
>BoTW
>Estimated Budget: Industry experts and analysts estimate the total budget for BotW to be around $120 million.

>Not an AAA game
anon, come on

>>717049347
but they can revoke the license making it unusable.
>b-b-but you can easily crack steam drm
then i'll just pirate up front

>>717052052
That's still within range, it's a mid to high budget game, now tell me is there any Nintendo game that reaches the insane budget levels of current AAA studios/publishers including SIE and Microsoft Gaming? Halo Infinite was over $600 million in budget, btw.

>>717052462
No, 120million is high budget AAA
holy fuck you retards think Nintendo is still AA, this isnt the fucking Wii

>>717049815
you cant download setup files and install without steam.

>>717052632
>You can't shop the store and browse their shelves and checkout without going to the store
wow anon, nice one

>>717052516
Not anymore, things have changed, that's considered mid to high now. You XSnoys need a bullet for defending your over budgeted slop. If you're spending around $500 fucking million on your shitty game, that game better be the fucking game of the century, you stupid faggot. Why the flying fuck are games costing so much? Maybe a lot of these AAA companies need to be investigated and regulated for their money laundering schemes. I don't understand how Microsoft, Sony, and these third parties are spending so much money on games.

>>717052808
No it isn't retard. Those are still AAA games. No game with a 9 figure budget is "AA"

. Btw never owned a playstation, or sent sony money in my life.

Now kill yourself.

>>717052748
you don't have to install a separate launcher to download and install games from GOG

>>717052929
>You have to use an internet Browser to download and install games from GOG

>>717052975
just to download them actually

>>717053016
>just to download
congratulations, it has just as much DRM as Steam.

>>717052808
Anything over 100 million is absolutely AAA, especially if they're sold at AAA prices. Tens of millions, maybe debatable. Not everybody who disagrees with you is some sony pony. One of the most annoying things about modern Nintendo fanboys is they still act like it's 2008. What's more annoying is they're likely former Sony fanboys who fled Sony going full retard. Nobody hates modern Nintendo more than old Nintendo fans. And nobody hates Nintendo fans more than Nintendo.

>>717039461 (OP)
>Pioneer sale of 'digital licenses' instead of games, couldn't even refund them until they got litigated
As a thirdie, getting every AAA games under the sun for less than $20 is a blessing

>>717053037
the question was about why they can't "let gamers have a gog-like install package they can move around?"

>>717053112
That's irrelevant that is the part you latched onto.

>>717052887
It is

>>717053170
No it isn't. Your retarded definition of AAA is wrong, and everybody would laugh you out of the room in person if you tried to say Nintendo IPs aren't AAA.

>>717053136
there is no other part to that post

>>717053257
That post is a reply to a greater chain of messages, in which the original point has no regard to GoG.

>>717053060
You may be right, I was a Nintendo fan from the start, fell with them at least with their home consoles after the Gamecube and came back with the Switch. I dropped Sony after the PS2 and PSP. I dropped Microsoft after the 360, I was on and off with PC gaming until Valve pulled me back in. Now I'm just going full Nintendo and PC again and don't with everyone outside of Nintendo and Valve.

>>717053319
*off

>>717053314
and none of those messages were about steam being drm

>>717053220
I think we're stuck with the 7th gen era of AAA budget because everyone started going full retard during the 2010s on budgets to the point of unsustainability now. So, I'll concede to you guys on this.

>>717052808
AAA games are characterized by high production budgets, extensive marketing, and large development teams. Nintendo games would fall under those categories.
Some insane fuckups like Concord or Ubisoft trying to push AAAA as some marketing stint and metric of quality is a whole other level of stupid.

>>717053452
This thread is, however

>>717053526
sounds like you're the one who latched on to an irrelevant point

>>717053472
Nintendos biggest budget game has to be Smash Ultimate

lick my ass, you broke niggers

>>717053636
are there really sand niggers on this website now

>>717040048
>used to make great games
why do westrds love half life and tf2 so much, they're the literal definitions of woke

>Valve has a monopoly!
>they enforce arbitrary moral censorship!
>why are they determining what I can buy with MY money!
sounds familiar

>>717043661
Don't forget
>get home and install the game after finding one that's such a hit magazines aren't bribed but ride off the franchise hype for a few months
>patches are out but you need to download one by one sequentially for multiplayer
>fileplanet keeping you at dial up speeds and charging money for using your full internet speed getting spammed by flash pop up ads
>x-fire and gamespy also offering money services for their server browser
>Steam just rolls that all in one program
>Gaben's own failing health pushes a widespread development focus on accessability in gaming
>He recovers while publishers try to push their own platforms that are just rotten in comparison and offer a resource hog and data scalping ransomware
Epic is just Chinese coin clipping at this point and GOG ukrainiane money laundering.

>>717039461 (OP)
>Pioneer sale of 'digital licenses' instead of games, couldn't even refund them until they got litigated
Physical copies were already doing this, restricting how many times you could install a game with the CD key before it'd lock you out.

>>717039461 (OP)
They have best games, simple as. I dont give a shit about what u listed there autisto.

>>717045570
>steam still has ads on startup you nigger
>have to pay to trade to actually make money
>actually defending paid mods

>>717058630
>>steam still has ads on startup you nigger
You can disable this.

>>717045570
To be fair, Gaben also got BTFO on a legendary level when he said money is how the community steers work, and it was immediately pointed out that the community was steering its own work just fine before he tried to introduce money to it.
At least part of that backing down was certainly realization that he wasn't being the hero he thought he was.

>>717059169
Funny part is years later and he was right about that

I think paid mods aren't a bad idea anymore. It gives modders incentive to group up and create a great experience beyond expectations. I mean the entire counter strike series was just mods of half life. Of course there still should still be free mods though if the modders just wanna put out free shit. And there will be shitty paid mods out there too like with everything.

But I'm also maybe being too optimistic about mods.

>>717059343
Yeah, but when you see shit like the fivem community, you start wondering if maybe somebody should've knocked him out in the office before he ever typed it.

>>717059420
>you start wondering if maybe somebody should've knocked him out in the office before he ever typed it.
I'd like to see you try, chuddie.

>>717040985
>Buying physical games that you actually own.
You didn't own most of your physical games.
If you actually bothered to read the huge walls of text that came with installers, they explicitly told you that the game was being licensed to you.
Granted, without an online connection they can't lock you out of the game, but you still didn't own shit on paper.

>>717059410
The paid mods thing was so many years ago that if we had just let it happen, i know for a fact we would have several extremely high quality mods to play right now. But we were too short-sighted.

>>717059410
rip fpsbanana and other modding sites like it, paid mods were a mistake and people are paying hundreds of dollars a month for server slots on GTA online servers with their own mods, it's midtown madness over there

>>717041241
if ur desktop has anything other than the recycling bin and like 1 or 2 apps you should consider sudoku

>>717039461 (OP)
Meh. Valve titles have too much polish for me to care. If only they could figure that out with Steam and stop making it a slow and bloated webapp

>>717039461 (OP)
their drm is piss poor by design as to futureproof games to work without steam if something happens to it.
their anticheat solution is not invasive (as far as i understand)
>Tried to make players have to pay for mods
Removed all of that when shit hit the fan (mostly people selling other's work)
proton for linux (paying other people to fix linux/linux gaming in general)
steam controller api (the only bad thing about it is that it works only with steam)

i wanted to mention vr, but their steam vr/open vr drivers aren't industry standard, at least they aren't retarded to not use open xr but that's like nothing. Like they helped oculus at the beginning but they sold themselves to facebook so that's was end of it.

smells like fanfic

>>717040985
if it's singleplayer game then you can backup it even from digital download with minimal issue, if it's online only game then that depends if it will still work or not, the crew was sold on disks, it didn't stop ubisoft at all. your "hurr durr physical" means that you don't understand anything, or an old retard that can't keep up with the times. Like, physical and digital releases of the games aren't really different from eachother, like you can sell your disk, but that's all, other bullshit still applies.

>>717039461 (OP)
>corporation
This word doesn't mean what you think it does

>>717058630
>steam still has ads on startup you nigger
uncheck the option from settings
>have to pay to trade to actually make money
yes, you have to spend money to make money, faggot
>actually defending paid mods
I do. Modding is work, if I want to be paid for my work I should be able to. Not everyone is a neet sitting in their mom's basement with infinite time

>>717045570
>Free cosmetic drops in free games that I can sell for actual money. I could not care less.
Man, that's actually their curse, because the ability to sell skins is what allows people (kids) to gamble their money away without any roadblocks in the way.
It is a good thing that people can sell their skins, because it's more fair to the end user, because people also can just buy the skins they want instead of relying on gacha bullshit. But all the scam bullshit arising from that... I really hope they somehow solve all of the problems of the system without completely removing trading.
>Bethesda
That actually point out that it was mostly bethesda behind most of it. I hoped valve would somehow make it so people could just donate to the mod creators through steam, but man, that's not gonna happen.

>>717059169
but gabe is right tho? Like their implementation of paid mods sucked dick and all, but denying that people work for money is retarded.

>>717052292
but did they do it at any point in time? That's the real question actually. They did remove games from the store, but i never heard of them removing games from people's library, even when they should have when some games had viruses and etc, but i don't know if they did and don't care enough to check
like they did remove cs:go beta and tf2 beta from people i think but that's all i really know.

Physicalfags when their disks melt and a natural disaster happens:

>>717067830
u can back up your disks, but that also applies to digital purchases. that can also happen to steam servers or your home computer so that's em... doesn't change anything.