Thread 717073572

The tweet that saved FPS.

skill issue

>>717073572 (OP)
Oh literal who from Elon's feed and seed formerly twitter, you are so right. I kneel....

he's right

>"Just use a script"
>He still gets banned for using external program to help his massive skill issue
>Complains on the internet about this
Why are people who are bad at games so toxic

why isn't it random?

>>717074769
badly programmed

>"Bro has" or any variant of
>Skull Emoji
Faggots that talk like this need lynching

IIRC recoil was random in counter strike at some point was it in early csgo or in source i dont remember thoughever.

of fucking course stouty would say this lol

this is iirc the dude who thinks that games like chivalry could be "as big, even bigger than FPS" if everyone would just listen to his particular ideas

>>717074769
So you can learn to control your sprays. If it was random, your sprays hitting would be 100% RNG. I don't understand why people think this is an issue and want to "streamline" it. It's part of CS DNA.

>>717075643
they streamlined it enough by letting the cursor follow recoil patterns, so it's still something you have to learn but it's easier to learn it through play/not labbing

idk why you would even want patterns removed, managing recoil in a shooter is always more fun and results in better gun feel than RNG

>>717074769
it's the only thing maintaining the veil that CS has nonsensical recoil

>>717075613
I don't know his ideas, but shooters being the dominant genre certainly is a testament to other more inherently attractive and deeper formulas not being developed for shit.

>>717075809
shooting is fun, mechanically difficult at a high level and appealing to normies because it "looks easy," idk makes sense to me

>>717074769
it is in Valorant. So in Valorant you tend to tap on heads more. I think it makes the game way more volatile and frustrating to play though

>>717075613
i hate him too, he had the most retarded takes durring mordhaus prime, worse is that the coke sniffer mechanics dev listened to him for some time especially for the comp mode,and if somebody gave him constructive criticism this bafoon of a cabdriver insisted on a F10 duel or other weird responses

>>717074769
Its not random irl

>>717073572 (OP)
>uses scripts
>gets banned
kek

>>717074769
It was in the real counter strike.

>>717076547
You're thinking of crushed.

>>717076547
what comp mode? Mordhau devs never made one, or even tried for that matter

counter strike isn't a videogame and "people" who play it aren't human

>>717074769
Specifically in Counterstrike to force you to slow down.
90% of the weapons do most of their damage in the first couple shots so there's no practical reason to know the whole spray pattern.
Fags cope about it being a le skill to start shooting toes, but honestly as a mechanic it's dumb.
What matters more is knowing to counterstrafe global offensive so your first shot is accurate.

>>717076795
Not really. The patterns have always been fixed, the older versions just had a little more spread.

>t. played CS for the first time at version 1.3

I remember that clown. Competitive chiv player lmao.

>>717078119
i do competitive chivalry IRL. i'm constantly holding doors open for women and offering to carry their groceries but despite my high elo i haven't even gotten a single date. it's a bullshit game to be honest

>>717078513
Lol'd.

>>717074769
Doing recoil in games the way they do is kinda dumb, but really, IRL guns don't have "random" recoil and it's very easy to learn to handle it, it's more of a muscle and bracing kind of thing rather than having your gun wildly bounce around in your hands.
I like how Warframe does it (even if most guns have little/no recoil), it's simply just pulling your aim up and you can resist it by pulling your aim down instead of having to potentially waste a mod slot on a recoil-reducing mod.

>>717073572 (OP)
>>717074639
>>717074694
>>717074769
yeah if you guys didnt know, VAC detects this very easily. its controller the cursor in windows which is a nono

>>717074769
For some reason, when your shooting game turns into a drawing lines game, it just sounds so unmasculine even though there's nothing wrong with it

Imagine using a gun that isn't semiauto then bitching about accuracy.

>>717079080
> Vac detects this easily.
no it doesn't good saar.

>>717079104
You only got three types of games:
> Menu Games.
> Point and Click Games.
> Action Games.
Guess which FPS games fall under? Point and click games.

>>717077854
in 1vs 1 2 3+ you should learn how to spray, its not like you are going to headshot everytime unless you're cheating, but sometimes you do get into complicated fights where you dont have time to stop shooting wait for the recoil to reset and move on to the next target so even if you dont know the spray perfectly its good to have a notion of it.

>>717073572 (OP)
>good players are good, so why not automate everything so everyone is good immediately at every game
least vile leftoid

>>717079540
VAC is super anal about windows tweaking thats why you Nvidia losers got banned updating your driver and same with AMD.

>>717079464
couldn't be because he is shooting while moving nor anything right.

>>717079728
>still using windows malware
kek they deserve the ban

>>717073572 (OP)
From what I understand, the spread pattern is always the same? Why the fuck don't they make it random? Even the spread of the shotgun in Doom is random.

>>717079728
nobody said anything nvidia or amd drivers though that's you hallucinating.

counter-strike is such a painful experience for solo queue players but I keep coming back to it

>>717079704
Quake doesn't have spray patterns, so presumably you're the best Quake player in the world now?

>least retarded culture warrior

>>717079776
if it were random it wouldn't be e-sprots viable because then it would be gambling and regulators hate that fucking newfags for real.

>>717079791
>VAC is super anal about windows tweaking
you can't read
just changing your Windows driver is enough to trigger VAC ban (Reflex/Antilag2)
this doesnt apply to linux

>>717079791
Stupid ESL Alert

>>717079840
Dota has a lot of RNG, yet it's still viable as an esport. Any game can be an esport if people can bet on it

>>717079809
Quake has movement. The automation would be to automate movement.
Are you being dishonest on purpose or are you just retarded?

If spray patterns are so bad then why are CS and Valorant the only online tacticool fps games that don't feel like shit?

yeah what a shit mechanic, it is truly a mystery why counter strike has remained popular for 20 fucking years

>>717079763
ok ill stand still

>>717079951
OK, come up with a macro that automates movement for you in Quake match to gain an advantage, I'll wait.

You're in WAY over your head and it shows

yeah CS is shit
good pvp games are NOT about autistic recoil control
good pvp games are EXPLOSIVE and HIGH VELOCITY
pic rel

>>717079973
You should have turned on the dynamic crosshair to see the actual spread

>>717080028
you could make a macro to circle jump perfectly so you can jump from bridge to rail 100% of the time
you could also make a macro to snap your rocket to your feet and back up to get perfect RJ

>>717079962
>popularity means good game
INCORRECT

>>717080169
did I say counter strike was good?
nice selfie by the way

>>717080162
none of that shit would help you win a game

>>717074769
When it isn't random, then recoil control becomes a skill rather than luck. Recoil patterns are a good thing if you aren't a shitter.

>>717080028
>come up with a macro
The point is that the DEVELOPERS make it easier for everybody. God you're fucking dense

>>717079962
Idiots asking why you aren't emulating things that failed is generally an issue with successful things.

>>717080162
>you could make a macro to circle jump perfectly
Do you think I'm going to defend whatever the fuck this is? Just remove the exploit from the game, or make it so a "circle jump" is its own bind

>a macro to snap your rocket to your feet and back up to get perfect RJ
If this indeed useful, it would make for a good bind; devs should either add that as an actual in-game bind, or simplify rocket jump behaviour so it doesn't require the precise timing (thus preventing the need for a macro or a bind)

See how this works? Macros only expose garbage mechanics (spray patterns), or mechanics that should otherwise be simplified or adopted into a real bind offered by the game. Any game that gets defeated by a macro has poor game design.

>>717080663
It becomes a barrier for the sake of creating a barrier. Might as well make the movement QWOP based as well so we all have to practice movement inputs just to get out of spawn. Literal artificial difficulty

>>717080697
Why is that bad? Do you think there's no other skills to practice?

>>717080075
battle field heroes was fucking fun though

>>717080757
>Do you think there's no other skills to practice?
uh oh, kinda ableist! Better automate those too

>>717075643
DUDE 8 DOTS SERVER

>>717080757
When do you stop cutting the mechanical complexity out of games? When it's Hearthstone?

>>717076683
ak has no spread on short distances. it was made to shoot targets at distances of 50-200 yards. ak having mad spread at 5 yards is retarded game logic.

>>717080897
When there's no mechanics left that benefit from a braindead script performing them. A game should be out responding to new on-screen information, at no point should you be able to just autopilot a script and somehow gain an advantage. Otherwise we'd all just walk away from our PCs with autoclicker activated

>>717080757
you can't just remove or automate game mechanics like that as you remove skill expression. the fact that people cheat and create macros is irrelevant - you can't design your game around the fact that people are going to cheat it's nonsensical.

being able to make the jump from bridge to rail is a skill check that rewards practicing and getting better at the game and when you play against someone who is very good at using rocket jumps to gain an advantage it creates a differential in skill expression that makes competitive game fun. If you lean too much in the macro direction you end up with a game like Overwatch which is just agonizing to play as your skill expression as a player is diminished to such a point it becomes frustrating.

I don't understand how a game mechanic is bad because you can cheat it with third party software. Games are intended to be played by human beings that will fuck the thing up especially in high pressure situations, last I checked.

CS IS A SHIT NIGGER GAME FOR GAMBLING RETARDS TO COLLECT PIXELS AND FLEX THEIR PIXELS TO EACHOTHER LIKE NIGGERS

>>717075613
i saw him go into a 4chan thread once after being called a retard, where he pretended to not be stouty saying everybody is obsessed for thinking its him until he got so btfo he went and dropped it, screeching about ft10s while providing proof its him
that reminds me, somebody posted a video on youtube of him getting demolished in a ft10 and he replied to EVERY SINGLE comment on that video seething about it. he deleted them afterwards but you can still see the replies and argument chains calling him a retard
completely forgot he existed until now but its really funny how assblasted he was then

>>717081337
Doesn't OW completely mog Quake in playercount and viewership?

Pretty sure there is a lot more going on with Quake than the niche movement exploits, e.g. aim, map control. When a game gets too bogged down by input barriers, it only serves to limit entry to new players. Not necessarily relevant for CS, but still true as a rule of thumb. If the macros for Quake were useful, why not use them? There's no anticheat for that presumably. And if enough people made custom binds, eventually they could become legitimised. Maybe it would help new players get into Quake.

>>717081398
That isn't the point. The point is if a macro can perform a game for you, something is wrong with the game. Just play cookie clicker with autoclick and walk away brah

>>717081634
stouty is irrelevant, he started cheating in mordhau and is banned now

>>717081634
this poster is likely Stouty btw, I tried looking up the video he just made up and it doesn't exist. He keeps pretending to be his own haters to drum up controversy because nobody cares about him or Mordhau anymore.

Every post in this thread is Stouty

>>717081695
What's the point of chess? Just turn on Stockfish and walk away nigga.

>>717081016
They already don't benefit from a script performing them. A spray macro won't give you an advantage over someone who understands how aim works in CS except in the most sterile of lab environments and your circle or rocket jump macros will literally hinder you more than they will help. They'll also make the game significantly less interesting and enjoyable.

>>717081695
>playercount
>viewership
WHO CARES RETARD

why did op edit the engagement? Did he post his own tweet?

>>717081918
yes he needs a new audience after being exposed as a cheater in his main game (mordhau)

only tasteless mfers play cs and learn recoil patterns
there are games like natural selection 2 with laser pointer accuracy and shooting feels good in those games

>>717073572 (OP)
>stoyty

>>717081918
probably

>>717081695
the game isn't bogged down by input barriers, it exists because of them. If you remove them you're just removing the mechanics that make the game interesting.
You end up with a sterile game in which your actual mechanical inputs don't matter compared to your strategic or tactical decisions.

It's a good thing that players who can make the exact right tactical play can be skill gapped by someone who is just better at aiming. It creates the tension that makes games interesting.

Remember investors spent millions of dollars betting on the Overwatch League and got totally burned because it simply is not a good competitive game to watch or play because of the reasons I mentioned.

>>717081695
>The point is if a macro can perform a game for you, something is wrong with the game
The macro can perform one aspect of a game for you. You're just saying something's wrong as if it's self evident but have no actual reason for why it's a bad mechanic other than it can be automated if you want to cheat. No logic for why it's bad for people who actually want to play the game.

You don't need to reply, as I'm typing this, I realized I have better things I could do and you come off like you're just going to repeat yourself and aren't actually interested in a genuine discussion.

>>717081779
he doesnt even have any original ideas, he is just one of those influencer scammers who bait retards to giving him money
there was a fuckton of these slimey dudes around in darkndarker

>>717074769
controller gups need the game to aim for them thats why

>>717081556
basado

>>717079464
this is skill

>>717079763
the bullet should go in the direction that the gun is pointing, the insane firehose spread is retarded

>>717073572 (OP)
>Player is better at the game than you
>"AAAIEEEEEE KILL THIS MECHANIC SO I STOP BEING MOGGED!!!"
Why is modern /v/ so fucking bad at games? Learn the tech, faggot.

>>717084194
And which way should the gun be pointing? Fact is you're trying to control a gun with a two directions on a flat plane and you're going to have to make some abstractions somewhere. The way CS does it leads to gameplay that you can master and feels really good. What other approaches are there? Straight up rng? Battlebit's waggly gun? Both of these are worse to play, especially for a game like CS.

>>717084375
It's fake challenge. It's not a matter of "skill" but being autistic enough to look up and memorize the contrived way in which the game makes bullets go somewhere other than where your reticle is pointing. Anyone who defends this shit is utterly retarded.

>>717084825
>It's not a matter of skill, it's just a matter of knowledge and extensive practice (this is what defines a skill btw)
Holy cope and seethe

>>717084825
>It's not a matter of "skill" but being autistic enough
lmao, amazing how millions of normalfags are willing to figure out how a game works and practice it while casuals on /v/ seethe that the same game is autistic for challenging them and not holding their hand.

>>717084825
CSfags love esoteric and hidden mechanics.

play a real shooter game called Team Fortress 2
then you will understand why CS is for fags

The fucked thing about CS isn't even the spray patterns it's the fact these dicks have been playing the same 2-3 maps for two decades

Not very diffrerent from having combo macros in fighting games

>>717084825
bro it's a video game the whole thing is fake

>>717081556
This anon knows what's up. CS games were good when modding was widespread in 1.6 and cs:s and anyone could take whatever skins and full remake models they wanted from fpsbanana and not get banned for that

>>717074769
CS GO has spread which randomizes recoil ever so slightly each time you shoot. Recoil pattern only gives you a rough estimation of where your bullets are going but it still has spread which is random.

>>717075540
Agreed

>2025
>shitters are still crying about being ass in counter strike
holy fuck. some things never change.

>>717084825
>It's fake challenge.
True, in real life you are sitting a lone in front of a box pressing random buttons.

>>717084825
most intelligent CS2 awper

>>717080162
I think quake might be the only fps game where cheating is kind of useless, and it doesn't actually give you an advantage. Even if your aim is perfect, you can't instakill enemies; you still have to time items, know maps, positioning, weapon selection, and movement. There's just too much shit to worry about that in order to cheat and win, you'd have to just make an AI play for you.

>>717089480
ridiculous. wallhacks to know enemy position, timers to know perfectly when items spawn, triggerbot on railgun to perfectly poke your opponent.
If you suck you'd still destroyed by a pro player though, I see your point but if you're decent you'd become an absolute menace just by using a triggerbot on the railgun alone

>>717075613
Chivalry could have been bigger if 2 wasn't pumped and dumped by Tripwire for Epic Game Store exclusivity* gibs. The devs tried to keep it alive and kicking after launch but the damage was already done, they lost the out on establishing a bigger playerbase and by the time it made it to Steam it was drowned by everything else that was coming out.

>>717075540
they will be, soon, anyone woth a broccoli mop will be beheaded and their broccoli heads displayed on pikes outside of city hall

>>717081556
Yeah CS is in a terrible state these days. Matchmaking feels like shit and the community is dead outside of farming skins. Gabe ruined it all. Source was the best CS ever was

>>717079464
Is this recent? Only other game I've seen something like this happen is Overwatch with its retarded ass headshot ranges per character

>>717073572 (OP)
The original tweet doesn't have those views.

>>717090074
that iteration of the game hasn't existed for like two years now

I dropped counter strike with GO after they made some changes. Because my shots rarely land and Pro 1337 players would always kill me I just gave up on the game. I just feel like Battlefield and even Call of Duty are more fun because your shot actually lands if you aim and click. Learning a spray pattern is just absolutely retarded and it was fine during Source but not in modern times. (So I play Day of Defeat Source instead)

>>717073572 (OP)
webm ,nigger ,doko?

>>717080976
Yeah and people can't jump 20 feet in the air, Mario shouldn't do it either and YOU shouldn't enjoy it as a game mechanic
fuck off

>>717090739
>the shots just don't land
>the other players could shoot me fine though
A shame that this unfair thing unfairly happened to you in an unfair way that had nothing to do with yourself.

>>717076008
In valorant it is only random after a point.
For example the Not-AK still does the CS 7 pattern but after it does the baked in pattern it becomes random.

>>717073572 (OP)
>I asked ChatGPT and it said...

>>717073572 (OP)
FPS aiming was a solved problem in the 90s. What the fuck is wrong devs

Not a single link posted to the FUCKING video
Kill yourself, im not looking up your retarded twitter post

>>717075643
>>717075731
It's not "managing recoil" though you dumbasses. It's more like a rhythm game where you learn a certain pattern and timing and then just do the exact same thing every fucking time. There's no skill or talent there, it's just memorizing a basic pattern and copying it again and again and AGAIN

>>717079798
Nigger

>>717079080
>VAC detects this very easily.
no it doesn't
>source?
I have the same G502 mouse and use G-HUB(the same mouse app shown in the video) to make make macros i use in CS2 all the time, specifically to buy specific sets of weapons, been using it for years and im not VAC banned

>>717073572 (OP)
Bro is right. Fuck recoil, do it Quake style. LG gaming.

>>717090739
If you actually learn the game, you'd realize that games like CS and Valorant aren't really about gunplay, but about neutralizing your opponent
Like the whole game is how I make my opponent have no chance to shoot me while I am free to shoot them
If you're looking for pure “pew pew” gunplay, then yeah CoD or BF are better games

>>717094990
https://x.com/tradeit_gg/status/1950964680144630155
https://nitter.net/TomokoKuroki420/status/1951088755361849852#m

>>717095006
>it's just memorizing a basic pattern and copying it again and again and AGAIN
i got news for you, memorizing a basic pattern and copying it until you can repeat it perfectly every single time is literally what skill and talent are
every single skill you can think of requires "just memorizing a basic pattern and repeating it", and doing it "again and again and again" is what allows you to deploy the pattern right when you need it and replicate it exactly as needed is what forms talent

>>717080075
>All Fortnite but worse
Anon, it's time to come home

I'm always in awe at compfags' ability to find the most autistic exploits to gain advantage over noobs. How did they figure out that the weapons had these preset patterns?