Thread 717098112

Is she really that bad?
She just wants to live a life that's worth living.

>>717098112 (OP)
>life
Well you see, life doesn't exist inside a painting

>>717098112 (OP)
she is the insert for the gamer who chooses escapism over trying to move out of mommies basement thinking it will all work out in the end.

>>717098112 (OP)
shes a mentally ill psychopath

>>717098112 (OP)
Not in the slightest. Its shown prior to her going in she has a grip on reality and a direct goal. Only after having her mind fucked up from accidentally living way too long in the canvas does she change goals. The only people who don't understand this aren't people, they're brown or hang around browns.

Is playing the piano really so bad?

>>717098112 (OP)
She needs to make her own fucking save file instead of ruining her dead brother's shit.

>>717098112 (OP)
Maelle died in the mass gommage. That's Alicia, a selfish cunt.

>>717100620
she said she self identifies a Maelle stop deadnaming her bigot.

woah what game is this

>>717098112 (OP)
OK. *burns painting*

Its okay to enjoy some escapism from time to time. Not 24/7 till you die like her and her mother were

>>717101293
are they really shitting themselves looking soullessly into a window for hours and days on end?

>>717101413
They look completely frozen when the parents are seen in the painting. But the dad specifically says the mom is dying from not getting out. So idk how it works.

>>717101413
Yes. The sister was fed up because she had to keep an eye on them.

>>717098112 (OP)
I would make a defense for anyone who suddenly inherited a lifetime of memories from the real world. I don't completely blame her for wanting to stay in the canvas but bringing everyone back after the second gommage was already the tipping point. Re-writing Verso could have brought the promise of "just one lifetime, please" but bringing back people who weren't even gommage'd really just reaffirms that she'll die in that canvas in her ending. She needed someone to hit the eject button for her

>>717100820
not anymore you're not

>>717098112 (OP)
Yes, as a utilitarian she has a moral responsibility to paint infinite pictures of her self painting infinite pictures of herself painting infinite pictures of Bunny Herione factory worlds.
Anything else legitimately makes her worse than Hitler.

>>717101486
but shes not getting out because Renoir nuked the painting. if she got out then the painting will be destroyed so she stayed and cried while the timer goes down each year as her powers weaken trying to hold off renoirs destruction as long as possible.

>>717101774
Huh? Im sorry im not understanding what you wrote at all.

>>717101552 (me)
>>717100820
but she do be want that pianist thou if you know what I mean.

>>717098112 (OP)
Not at all. She is simply a girl who got shafted because she trusted the wrong people in the outside world.

>>717101967
Aren't we all really just simply girls who got shafted because she trusted the wrong people in the outside world.

>no, maelle, that would be wrong. i'm literally twice your age
>verso, stop this. i've lived two lifetimes as a 16 year old, i won't stand being called a "pedophile enabler" . what's more is you're essentially 100 and didn't see an issue with shagging sciel who is a third your age
>all of that aside, you're too hysterical to consent
>you're right, verso. can we take a nice, relaxing walk and visit your sister

>>717101967
>because she trusted the wrong people in the outside world

If she listened to her fucking sister, none of the shit that set off the events of the game would've happened and she wouldn't be even more retarded than she is now.

>>Clea: Hey don't talk to the folks at the writer's guild, it's a bad idea

Alicia: I'M GONNA TALK TO THEM!

>>Fire happens

Alicia: Oh no, brother is kill!

>>Clea: You stupid bitch, you fucking cunt

>>717098238
No wonder why most of /v/ thinks her ending is the best ending.

>>717098112 (OP)

The problem is that she is obviously mentally damaged from all of this experience, she should GTFO the canvas ASAP.

In her ending Gustav is alive. Gustav won't let her remain in the canvas once he realizes she is slowly killing herself being in there.

>>717103340
That was one of my favorite little things to think about
>verso tells many lies to protect his mission
>verso lets gustave die because he was afraid that gustave would have gotten in the way
>gustave never learns the truth
>gustave is brought back but likely never shown or told the truth
It's probably not meant to be thought about too much or just left to the player to imagine but I think Gustave would've wanted Maelle to leave the canvas if he knew everything

>>717103734
>think Gustave would've wanted Maelle to leave the canvas if he knew everything
And had he told her, she would've repainted him at that very moment because he'd be denying her suspension of disbelief.

>>717103734
That's whats great about these endings.

Both of them are clair-obscur.

During Maelle's ending it's possible that Gustav will convince her to get her fucking shit together and go back to the real world, and visit from time to time... or things will just get worse and Maelle becomes another almighty paintress that refuses to let go.

During Verso's ending it looks like she is estranged from her family...But time heals all wounds, and they will reconcile and start living as a family again.

>>717098112 (OP)
>"I did not sacrifice myself to save some worthless NEET! It's time to get a job!"

>>717104212

She doesnt have the power to repaint people.
Clea is the most powerful painter of the family and only she can do it, it's explicitly stated.

>>717100860
Final Fantasy XVII

In Maelle's ending, the "papa go home" lettering isn't there. I imagine it to accommodate anyone who didn't max out Maelle's relationship but I like the idea of Alicia erasing it to avoid having people ask questions

>>717104541
That would put Verso in a really shitty place in Maelle's ending because the only people who know the truth about living in a painting would be Alicia, Lune, Sciel (who all want to stay) and Verso (who probably has zero ways to escape other than watching Maelle become more and more of a bored demiurge)

>>717098112 (OP)
She is white and right.

>>717101293
What if the life you're escaping form is being a burnt crispy cripple who can't even speak?

>>717098112 (OP)
The character models in this game are truly awful. Like what is this goblina even supposed to be?

>>717105303

Go play your Fatlus games weeb. Don't talk shit about my Lune.

>>717105225
Deal w/ it my guy.

>>717098112 (OP)
>Thought every drug addict ever

>>717104460
>But time heals all wounds
Wrong.

>>717105526
Why? What is gained from 'dealing with it'?

>Gustave
>Verso
Is Alicia a brocon?

>>717103734
Yeah, Gustav would've supported Verso. He was very much a "big picture, greater good" kind of guy. Especially since it's not like Maelle's ending saves Lumiere, if anything it condemns them to a slower and more painful death and she continues to rot away mentally and physically while controlling every aspect of their entire world, and every aspect of them. Won't be long before she starts repainting people who ask her wtf is her problem

>>717105705
Sparing her family from further loss and pain, and the painted people from unnecessary suffering in a doomed world.

>>717105853
How does that benefit her? Her family hates her.

>>717105940
>Her family hates her.
Play the game

>>717105940
Her family doesn't hate her, except maybe her sister. And anyway it's not just about what helps her, it's about helping others.

>>717106037
Her mother also hates her.
>It's about helping others
Self-sacrifice doesn't have a benefit. There's no real purpose to being 'noble' like that, for people who hate you. Only her father at a stretch might be bothered if she's the only one who wastes away in the painting, the rest are fine with that.

>>717105705

What you fear, bury down deep inside, and refuse to confront, ultimately ends up controlling you.

If you want to live a life steeped in truth and walk up straight, with no regrets and no fears, you need to confront yourself.

Our little Shadow needs to confront her shadow.

>>717105225
Everyone understands her just fine

>>717105705
Peace.

>>717106137
Maybe people would like you more if you gave a shit about anyone besides yourself, Maelle.

>>717105225
just b urself

>>717105705
I don't know what it takes to become a good painter or writer but if she could focus up and hone her emotions, she'd probably be a very talented painter -- possibly a writer. Assuming it's a "you have it or you don't" aspect, she wouldn't exactly be fixing any broken bridges by being the one family member who kept running away from a tragedy despite being the one her brother died saving

>>717106037
Painted Alicia was a pretty strong indicator that Aline absolutely loathed Alicia
>painted her black and white in a world exploding with color
>painted her with scars and missing vocals despite wanting a happy, make-believe family
>painted her with a broken mask; "this is what you really are"
When I was 16, I wouldn't have been able to reconcile with someone like that

>>717106185
>If you want to live a life steeped in truth and walk up straight
Anon she's a broken cripple, none of those platitudes are going to help her.
>>717106258
You won't have peace if you have to keep living as a cripple.
>>717106298
You're missing the point.

Why does she always look so constipated?

she's 100 years old you sick fucks

>>717106578
She's 32 if you add up both her lives, which is the same age as the other Lumière expeditioners, which is kino

>>717106438
All learning to be a better painter would do is let her make her own painting to go die in, which is probably what her family would prefer.

just finished this, well up to the endgame anyway. I still don't really get it. were the paintings magic portals or what? who are the two families that they mention? isn't it just 1 family? why did they refer to maelle as a brother? what was the point of the number and gommage? that wasn't clear.

>oh sweet a brawler side character
>a lightly toasted alcoholic with a functioning libido fuck yes
>abandoned the mission to play and fight with literal sock puppets and paint brushes
>wanted to fuck verso even after learning that she could see her husband again
>canvas advocate
FUCK

>>717107194
and why are they Alicia's in the painting? is the scarred one a fake copy like verso? what's the point of a copy when Alicia is still alive? why are they even in the painting? what was the fire about?

>>717107194
The paintress wasn't the one erasing everyone. The numbers were a warning to the painted residents that they were being deleted in droves.
Think of the paintings as private Minecraft servers. Lumiere was Verso's favorite server, which is why the mom chose to live there with a painted facsimile of her son.
>the two families
There's two guilds; writers and painters. Presumably because books and paintings both give us "worlds" to get lost in

I kinda don't get one thing. If Aline created the canvas world to be with her fake family and Verso then why she doesn't give fuck about painted Verso anymore? She let him wander off and even when they meet she says he isn't real. Why is she staying in the painting then? Did she just go insane?

>>717098112 (OP)
You don't understand, anon. The pretty man was sad.

>>717107091
Someone who reached 16 twice is not 32.

>>717105756
>gustave would have totally supported the greater good of killing himself and everybody he ever cared about because
because you are retarded and can't put yourself in somebody else's shoes
fucking emotionally crippled autists in here

>>717098112 (OP)
Looks like Paris Jackson.

>>717107869
>She let him wander off
Painted Renoir accuses Painted Verso of running away. When Painted Verso returns to the monolith, Aline is initially relieved that he came back because he was her coping mechanism but he grew tired from it.
>why is she staying
She preferred clinging to Verso's canvas instead of facing reality

>>717108104
If Gustave knew that the "real Maelle" was suffering from staying in the painting and that he was essentially an NPC, I think he'd want Maelle to leave the canvas to save Alicia

>>717098112 (OP)
It's escapism. Can't you see? It's unhealthy

>start up new game plus
>get the boat and go straight to the dark shores to farm a bit
>don't have the gradient counter yet
God damn it

why do the real parents look like husks in the paintings?

>>717108428
How did they even land on Dark Shores when there is no direct sea route there?

>>717107857
someone said in the game that the dad was erasing everyone and she was saving them though

Did Verso stole Esquie stones?

Could Maelle ever repaint Lumiere without using Verso's soul?

>>717108440
Maelle's ending kinda explains that but basically they've overstayed in the canvas and are basically losing themselves. Renoir makes a point about "persisting" but it's a little more clear what he was persisting against when you realize that escapism can trap you

>>717108589
Yes, Real Renoir was erasing everyone to get Aline to leave the canvas. Aline was the "painter of life" trying to protect the world and her creations

What was even the point of Gustave and Sciel and Lune

>>717109170
Gustave made Lumina Converter.

>>717108760
Look at every "Souls-Like" and ask yourself that again. Verso was shown to have a very passionate and vivid imagination. You could spend a lifetime admiring his works but even the greatest tributes will have a hard time escaping the shadow of their source inspirations

>>717108558
Probably the same way 55's carousal ended up on the other side of a mountain with their journals making it all the way to the stone wave cliffs. Good ol' video game magic

>>717098112 (OP)
she's not bad at all, but she is wrong

>>717103734
Yup, it’s a real poetic irony.
Verso’s biggest mistake was letting him die, because Gustave was probably the one person who could have convinced Maelle to leave the canvas.

>>717108651
I was under the impression that Soarrie was the only one he ever pilfered but given the whole "being a pathological liar who acts on half-baked assumptions" thing, it wouldn't surprise me if Verso played tricks on Esquille -- but at the same time, with Esquille being Real Verso's comfort blanket, I think it's more likely that Esquille was careless with his things because he knows Verso would just help him find them again

>>717098112 (OP)

Why the chars are so damn ugly in this game? Is that what really gets French peeps going?

>>717110665
>Why the chars are so damn ugly in this game?
My issue with the models are the dead eyed state they all have.

>>717111327
I hate seeing it in battle. It's really bad with some the moves that zoom in on the character's face they're not even emoting, just staring straight ahead blankly

>>717098236
That's my fucking take, I hated the twist so much. I don't give a fuck about anyone in the game now because they are all fake and gay

>>717098112 (OP)
She's an asshole. No doubt. But she's a kid. Most kids are assholes until taught different.

>>717102790
Aline was the one who warned her.

>>717098112 (OP)
>Follows Painted Alicias wishes and kills her without letting Verso argue his case
>refuses to listen to his wishes and forces him to stay alive
At a bare minimum she's a massive hypocrite.

>>717106438
I disagree with this take, Aline wouldn't have been furious when she heard about Alicia entering the canvas if she didn't care about her daughter, and her act of burning Maelle shows that she's losing her mind and she's starting to wonder if the fire even happened.

>>717111685
The thing that sold me on the game was
>whoa what a beautiful world with a neat dilemma
>love this dream-scape aesthetic, it's almost painterly
>beat act 3 and lose a lot of urge to beat NG+
That said, NG+ is still fun because Maelle is a great character and it's fun studying Verso when you know what he's hiding

>>717111882
>it would have been wrong to talk her out of it while she was at peace with it
>i don't want this life i don't want this life i don't want this life
It's different! It's just different!

>>717112165
>Maelle is a great character
***before becoming the demiurge

>>717110140
I was just wondering. Esquie said that he last the stones immediatelly after he parted with Verso which means Verso could have taken them. Also the stones conveniently appear when Verso first appears and splits with Maelle later.

>>717104460
>But time heals all wounds
tell that to alicias eyeball

>>717111327
I was being bothered by those out of place wide smiles.

>>717105705
life

>>717112627
I guess it's official. They have no souls so it's not a genocide.

>>717112417
Given the timing of things, that actually makes a lot of sense

>>717104541
*paint over other peoples creations, clea explicitly tells her to repaint her own throat

now what that means for maelle ending gustave, who knows

maybe hes alines creation and safe from everyone but clea
maybe after resurrection hes alicias creation now
maybe its some weird mix which works in a way only devs can decide

>>717112497
I hate that there's a line somewhere in game, but someone basically says, "right in the eyes" in regards to or directly at Alicia

>>717112570
Her life in the painting is better.

>>717106185
thank you instagram motivational speaker but none of that helps alicia speak again

So what's with all the 33's getting thrown around recently all over media and stuff

One of the themes is that if you even ressurect someone they will be different. Do you think Lune and Sciel were already changed when they got brought back by the end? What about other people in Maelle's ending like Gustave?

So what's the time scale inside the painting? Aline was inside as the Paintress for at least 67 years, but obviously she hasn't been in that long in the real world.

>>717113307
Yes, because Maelle still needed to imagine them in order to bring them back and as Alicia she knows that they aren't real.

>>717098236
>The painting’s not real because…because I said so, OKAY?!

>>717113134
*was better. Maelle was gommaged at the end of Act 2

>>717098112 (OP)
She can live one in the real world where she has superpowers and is part of a giga wealthy family.
She cannot live a fulfilling life by playing god in a make-believe world that slowly deteriorates and where nothing bad can happen.

>>717112743
doesnt esquie say to verso in one of the first camp dialogues he loses stones on purpose so they can go on adventures

>>717101873
That would be the Gommage from the very beginning of the game, apparently the Mother/Aline/Paintress had the ability to stretch out the total force of Renoir/Curators wipe ability over 100 years instead of instant erasure.

Renoir and Aline trying to erase/save the whole painting had them locked in stalemate (Renoir slowly winning with the year timer counting down) and in the REAL world they were frozen in a battle of wills for something like a week but it was 67 years in the Matrix basically

>>717113609
Maelle hated living in Lumiare and she was constantly miserable after Gustave died. Women are never happy, it doesn't matter if they're crippled or not

>>717113271
There's a lot of nods to the number 33 in the game

>>717113307
Lune and Sciel were restored shortly after being gommage'd. Before Maelle explained everything to them, I think it's fair to assume that they were mostly unaffected from coming back. Bringing back Gustave would be a whole other can of worms
>was prepared to be murdered
>already made peace with sophie's passing
>never knew the truth
The majority of people in Lumiere would probably be fine depending on how many years of gommage were undone

>>717113382
I imagine it's an incredibly generous ratio and the major risk from staying inside a canvas isn't from you pissing yourself and becoming dehydrated but from losing your sense of identity or reality if you overstay/over-indulge

>>717113965
Yeah -- I think it really depends on whether or not you think Verso would lie to Esquille

>>717113307
what about pierre especially
expeditioners chroma is too old for a respawn but this guy just gets get out of death free card
who knows if maelle even knew the guy

at this point alicia might as well leave the painting, shit shave shower irl, and make a new painting, because everyone in this one is a different noco already

>>717113634
>part of a giga wealthy family
That hates her guts.

>>717113382
supposedly only a few days, its left vague on purpose other than some hints from Clea that "IRL Verso dying in a fire" happened very recently, and that "the parents are fighting in the painting while his funeral is getting closer"

>>717098236
expedition 60 would not have torn through the gommage barrier with the sheer power of their muscles if they were but painted marionnettes. they deserve to live just as much as the painters do.

>>717098112 (OP)
She doesn't truly care about the people of Lumiere, she just wants complete control to make her dream life come true.

>>717114931
The problem I have with this is that creations that have to be continuously sustained and come from a certain state of mind are transient. They only exist because Aline is miserable and any outcome means they have to vanish; metaphorically, Lumiere and its people can be said to be a representation of how this sadness will come to pass.

Is she a Dom or Sub

>>717114931
Jesus what a couple of giga chads

It's kinda interesting that all those different expeditions had all this equipment, submarines, tanks, fleets and airships but 33 is just one ship.

>>717104541
Aline is the most powerful in the family, not Clea.

>>717115338
They also couldn't use passive pictos.

>>717115237
Cuckqueen phenotype

>>717115348
Lumiere is pretty much running on fumes or veeeery close to it, canon

All Maelle does is make this face.

>>717101529
no wonder clea is so fucking jaded from having to clean their piss&poop constantly.

>>717115739
She only wants it because her daddy told her no

>>717115348
and none of them sent anyone back save for 0 and 60
gustave was right to want to go back
not because fuck the mission, but to bring some info back home, "hey guys theres an old fart who will kill you if you tell him hes old", bring some journals too while hes at it
especially when last 66 expeditions left lumiere in the dark
could even go back to mission after since hes gommaging anyway

>>717105756
No he would not and you people are braindead. Gustave would not choose genocide just to help Maelle.

>>717115348
>the other guys had boats and tanks and hundreds more people
>we've got two dozen drunkards and some cake
Would be really hard to not join the Life Enjoyers instead

>>717098112 (OP)
Not bad but she is literally living in a fantasy.

>>717116336
At best, he'd advocate to let everyone in Lumiere live out the rest of their time in peace. I cannot picture Gustave rallying for the canvas if he knew what it was doing to Alicia

>>717116290
It was weird how little reconnaissance (if any) ever came back from the expeditions. After about 20 expeditions, surely someone would propose "a strictly intel only run" or something

>>717115348
The early expeditions looked more like straight up armies judging by the massive amount of bodies and weaponry in the old battelfield

>>717115739
BOGGED

>>717116750
the bigger issue with recon is that the conditions would regularly change because of new Nevrons being painted by fake Clea. They landed where they did based on previous intel, which was worthless because of the hand wizards existence.

The DLC will be Expedition Zero and the final boss will be Simon vs Renoir.

>>717114029
Yes I understood that part of the game. Im saying I am not understanding what that person was arguing

>>717098112 (OP)
I'd pee in her butt but her ending is worse than Verso's.

>>717115951
In that case I’ll tell her she can’t have my dick. See what happens next, it’s insane.

>>717098112 (OP)
She killed millions

>>717115739
Maelle was so much more mature and well-rounded than Alicia because of the difficult upbringing she faced and all the different families that took care of her. Meanwhile, Alicia was always a spoiled, dumb aristocratic brat who ultimately caused all this by being tricked. You can tell by the way she talks about Renior, she was always the spoiled baby of the family that got everything she wanted.
When she returns back to her real self and she's able to finally compare herself to Maelle, she's so distraught by how much better of a person Maelle was compared to her that she refuses to accept that she isn't actually her anymore.

>>717115148
i consider them to be human. i'd pick lune, sciel, gestrals, gustave over the dessendres in a heartbeat, which is what i did. the only unfortunate part is that verso(the real one) is slaving away to sustain the painting. but it's a small price to pay for the continued existence of the world.

STOP QUOTING
PA
PA

>>717098112 (OP)
Why did she do it?

>>717098112 (OP)
She is not "bad" - but she still acts like a child. Letting go of the past and endearing the future is what adults do. They don't go off hiding in their fantasy world, forcing everyone to do their bidding and slowly turning into a madman.

>>717108558
There's a waterfall cave on the world map between the sea where lumiere is and the sea on the continent. Probably through there somehow.

>>717098112 (OP)
>She just wants to live a life that's worth living.

She's living in a fake fantasy where she controls everything while her real body slowly dies. Nobody in her family wants her to die like that. She may be happy, but everyone in her family will be sad about this.

>>717111882
Yeah. It's almost like they're all hypocrites doing the same thing to each other.

>>717111762
Clea also warned her (I think it was mentioned in a CS or a Journal iirc)

>>717106137
the rest are "fine with it" because they don't realize the danger of living in the painting. Her mother did and taught her father, yet she herself fell into that trap.

>>717098112 (OP)
>titles thread Maelle
>posts Alicia

Why did verso help the expedition stop the paintress? Didn't he want after all to help destroy the painting, which would have happened after 100 years?

>>717114717
I could maybe see an argument for Aline hating her, though I personally interpret it as Aline resenting her for what happened to Verso but still loving her, but you can't seriously try to tell me Renoir or Clea hate her. Renoir is obvious just from the main story and Reacher and if you do the endless tower, it's clear that Clea loves her too.

>>717123438
remove paintress, give renoir free reign to delete canvas

>>717104541
She was able to make Verso mortal.

>>717123590
but that would have happened after the 33 years anyways?

>>717105940
>Her family hates her.
aliciafags always headcanoning

>>717098236
The only thing we know is that the painters are real, and Verso's soul fragment is real.

My schizo headcannon is this:
Either everyone in the painting is a philosophical zombie, or everyone has sentience due to being a fragment of a fragment of Verso's soul.
In either case, they should be glad they were even given the chance to exist and let their true self rest.

>>717106449
>You won't have peace if you have to keep living as a cripple.
What a teenage take, there are millions of cripples out there living peaceful lives.

>>717123646
Clea approached Verso when Alicia was born into the world as Maelle and had him watch over her. Her likeness and her being the "source material" for his painted sister probably changed things a bit for him -- because otherwise, why not let her get chewed up by a nevron

>>717123646
yeah

>>717107869
>Did she just go insane?
Yes, what lucidity she had left was focused on fighting Renoir.

>>717115348
I'm sure they thought that this plan to kill the paintress wasn't going to last over 90+ years to the point where they'd be running low of resources.

>>717124134
Also people
Expeditions 60+ can have a shit ton of people since younger people can also go, but by the time it gets down to 33 there's a lot less people. There also needs to be adults that stay to care for the youth who will go on future expeditions.
So each year there are less and less viable options.

>>717098423
Yes she is female

>>717098112 (OP)
it's the classic lowly mortal heroes vs godlike superpowerful villain trope but flipped upside down where the weak one wants to destroy the world and the godlike super powerful one wants to save it.
theyre both fucked up in different ways, one wants to wither away in escapism while her family crumbles while the other wants to destroy the world he lived his whole life in betraying almost everyone he knows.

After the second gommage, Verso was left to hang out in Old Lumiere for a bit. I like to think that Renoir was on his way with a six pack and his condolences. I imagine what a peaceful moment that would have been for both of them. Hearing Maelle's voice in that empty town, watching him drag his feet on his way to Renoir with her with that annoyed look on his face
>i'm not dealing with that, you gotta tell her

>>717124134
>90+ years
I mean, realistically, Old Lumiere would be done for a little sooner than that. It's not like Renoir would be struggling with how to deal with a bunch of 12 years olds trying to repopulate the last, broken piece of existence

Is there only one NG+ or does it go like Dark Souls and just keep adding stars to your save file?

>>717107869

Aline was coping with her painted family, but when real Renoir stepped in and they fought, she was basically trapped on the Monolith to keep the world together.

Given the years ticking by and going crazy, she sees Painted Verso again and presumes that he's the real Verso for a moment, but then realizes he isn't.

She's staying in the painting to keep the shred of Verso's soul in tact, stopping Renoir from destroying the canvas.

>>717107869
Real Verso created that canvas. She was trying to keep part of him alive by not destroying his creation.

>>717124868
>>717124709
Because real Verso created the canvas, it had a piece of his soul. This made it easy for Aline (and Alicia) to delude themselves into feeling like he wasn't dead. That's why they want to preserve the canvas.

>>717108760

She could probably recreate the people she was close with. But at the point of Gustave and others being born within the canvas world, and living out an experience all their own with no direct intervention of a painter (Unless Aline and Verso-soul is conscious in how they make them)

It'll be like getting an AI to recreate a historical figure, you can give them all the information, but will it really be the same?

>>717098112 (OP)
If she were stronger, I would have picked her ending. Her dad was right that she is too weak. While it's great that the painted world would last longer, in the end, it would still be erased by Renoir after she dies. I, the player, would rather have a proper goodbye to the game, so I picked Verso.

Is Simon supposed to be the ultimate boss of this game?

>>717125474
Yes.

>>717124683
It's like Dark Souls in that regard.

>>717125498
I really should've just completed the main story without taking any detours
I'm lvl 99 and haven't even touched lumiere yet, which I suppose is the last story dungeon

>>717125705
Do what I did and up enemy hp to 100x for the final area. It's still too easy because of all the turns you'll have, but you'd 1-shot the final boss otherwise. The final boss only has 700k HP with normal HP values.

>>717125705
Final boss is tuned for you to beeline there once the game tells you to. If you do sidecontent you end up hilariously stronger. You can still use the HP multiplier i suppose.

>>717126036
Interestingly, the game scales HP for one boss: the curator when you first get Maelle in the manor. Why they didn't also do this for bosses like final Renoir and maybe the paintress/axons will always confuse me.

>>717126231
Maybe to ensure you can't beat it before you learn about jump evades? Is it realistic to get powerful enough on NG that they'd need to add scaling?

>>717111685
Yea it kills the immersion, not sure how valuable it was to add the layer of reality

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDVlYeQWvzE
Why does Verso wear a wedding ring in the Maelle ending?

>>717123890
>why not let her get chewed up by a nevron
Actually, what would happen if Maelle were killed by a nevron? Would she just get sent out of the painting and back as Alicia?

>>717126753
I’m guessing Maelle is like The Paintress and Curator Renoir in the sense that she’s immortal.

>>717098112 (OP)
I just beat it, excellent game really. RARELY do I do a second play through. In fact the last game was Dark Souls 3 when NG+ but I think I will on this, will do Verso ending next time.

>>717119496
She can always paint them back

>>717109170
>what's the point of characters
what's the point of Verso? what's the point of Maelle? what's the point of you?

Verso shows literally zero character development nor growth in this game.

>>717126914
It's a really fun game to NG+. Lots of conversations and cut-scenes hit very differently when the game is no longer being enigmatic about the lore. It's almost hilarious how casual Verso is when lying about very important things that get brushed off by everyone like, "ah well, he said I don't know. guess that's that."

>>717127276
at least he doesn't show negative development, unlike Maelle.

>>717126902
Would be a little wild to discover you're an immortal before meeting anyone who can tell you what that means for you exactly

>>717106438
Aline hating Alicia is pretty obvious just from the interaction before the Paintress fight alone. She does not care about Alicia, only Verso

>>717127828
By the time we encounter Aline she is utterly insane. I don't get why people keep trying to extrapolate the lifelong family dynamics of the dessendres from this moment in game that is both supernatural and them at their absolute lowest, half of them mad/delusional from grief.

Anal sex with Maelle
Maelle eating my ass
Facefucking Maelle until her face is all fucked up with runny mascara and black tears

That is all

>>717128179
Aline made Painted Alicia look more creepy and monstrous, whereas she made Verso a romanticised depiction of his real self. It’s pretty clear who she favours. The implication is that she blames Alicia for Verso’s death.

>>717127024
>She can always paint them back
Not without their Chroma, Reinor even states that she has unlimited potential as a painter if she kept practicing and using her own canvas, but NOPE, she'd rather just color over her brother's shit.
Stupid cunt deserved what the writer's guild did to her.

>>717098112 (OP)
If it wasn't for her putting her own needs above what's left of Verso's soul in the canvas I would've chose her ending. I can completely understand her want to escape to this reality that her brother made to cope with the loss of the real Verso and also Gustave, but even if you pick Verso's ending she has free-will to just create another canvas reality of her own with her own renditions of her friends she found in Verso's canvas and/or other items in her real life that brings her comfort in a reality of her own making instead of a fractured painting. Painted Verso on the other hand has absolutely zero free will and has been living with the conscious of a dead man for 67 years and the only way he will ever get what he want is ending it all.

>>717128202
Anon she's 16 yo

>>717128372

true, she had the power to make an idealized version of her family as if before the fire
and she still made Alicia deformed

>>717126914
If your builds are good, don't expect it to be too challenging. I'm at NG++ and still cruising.

>>717128479
So? Legal where i live. Perfect for most hardcore fucked up fucking possible.

>>717128479
We don't know how long a year is in Lumiere. I mean, you could technically argue that she's not even a year old

>>717128630
Why is she looking at me like that?

>>717128372
Alicia IS responsible for Verso's death. I can't imagine the feelings I'd have in thta situation - but that's when Aline made the fake family.

>>717128503
>and she still made Alicia deformed
It speaks volumes of painted Alicia, that despite being so unfairly maligned and demonized from creation, that she still "enjoyed it here, with her"

>>717098112 (OP)
life keeps forcing cruel choices

>>717098112 (OP)
People keep saying she would have died in the canvas. So answer me this, was being out of the canvas going to make her immortal? Explain the difference between dying maybe 20 or 30 years later in the canvas versus dying 20 or 30 years in the real world?
Cause lets be serious, with the extent of her injuries, she isn't living to see an old age.

>NOOOOOOO I DONT WANT THIS LIFE
>UNPAINT ME
>I CAN'T KEEP FUCKING THIS HAPA BEAUTY
>UNPAINT ME

>>717128693
We can assume its based on the outside world's calendar but the outside world has at least 33 days in December so who knows what their outlook for a year is.

>>717123880
>there are millions of cripples out there living peaceful lives
And there are millions out there living broken lives too.

>>717129129
Don't forget its the early 20th century and its pains Alicia to just breathe. Then she has to wage a war against the Writers in this state with her very fragile mind. Alicia is not going to have a good time when the canvas is gone. Is she strong enough to overcome it? Is her family? I doubt it.

>>717109170
Demonstrating the value of the lives of the people in Lumiere, which filters 90% of people ITT

>>717128804
>Alicia IS responsible for Verso's death

Verso decided to save Alicia of his own accord. Alicia didn’t force him to make that choice. If anyone is to blame, it’s The Writers for starting the fire.

>>717129129
So why do you speak as if her future is already written? She's crippled, mute, has one eye, but also rich, still has a family, and can do magic. Yet, you aliciafags always speak like only terrible things can possibly await her in the real world. We have no idea what her life will look like. She'll have a great number of challenges AND opportunities that others will not.

>>717129310
>If anyone is to blame, it’s The Writers for starting the fire.
They wouldn't have started the fire if Alicia wasn't a stupid bitch and listened to her family to not get involved.

>>717128881
>life keeps forcing cruel choices
StOp qUoTiNg pApA! REEEEEEEEEEED

Why are there 33 days in December outside the canvas?

>>717129340
Can that money, magic, or family cure her lungs? Which are probably seriously damaged, considering she talks about how painful it is to breath. Is it going to help her crippling mental trauma? Fix the mother that hates her?
Can a single one of your Versofags explain why living in the canvas is wrong when she is going to die eventually anyway? How is living in the canvas not one of these so-called opportunities?

>>717113609
Act 3 Maelle is both Maelle and Alicia.
>>717115739
This is consistent. She comes to consider Lumiere her home at the possibility of its being destroyed and after having lost Gustave.
>>717119764
Clea is Renoir’s favorite. Verso says as much.

Maellejunkies are making themselves look bad.

>>717129730
Everyone dies eventually, so that’s not much of an argument. She can also communicate enough to talk to Clea despite being mute. Verso’s end is also much better for the people in the canvas, because then their souls are free and they’re not trapped in a cycle where Renoir can show back up to gommage them again, thus resetting everything back to square one.

>>717098112 (OP)
oh, life is bigger
it's bigger than you, and you are not me

>>717129787
>Clea is Renoir’s favorite. Verso says as much.
play the game

>>717130091
>Everyone dies eventually, so that’s not much of an argument.
But you Versofags keep using it as a reason for why her living in the canvas is wrong because she will die.
It's not like when she was forced into the canvas. Why is she not allowed to make her own choice about her own life?

>>717129787
>Act 3 Maelle is both Maelle and Alicia
Technically true but Act 3 Maelle does move forward with the knowledge of living in a canvas as well as also being a painter for that canvas. She's an "innocent" adventurer right up to her gommage; not in some bizarre contention for her right to exist (that's different from what she thought the paintress was doing)

>>717129630
I think its to make players question the outside world or more exact, to question what is real. Many write off the Lumiere world as fake but there are things that should make them question it. December 33rd, Writers and Painters as well as Alicia saying she will paint Lune a Painting of her world, a Painting within a Painting.

She looks so much better with red hair. I always keep the French Bob, it's cute!

>>717130402
also floating stuff in the painting room

>>717130302
Why is she allowed to doom an entire world to an endless cycle of suffering for her own amusement? It’s much better to try and help her heal from her grief so she can find joy in other areas than her lying to herself that she’s okay when she’s really not. She’s just going to become Aline 2.0 without intervention.

>>717130585
Bob cuts are the peak female haircut and you can’t convince me otherwise.

>>717130402
It is fake. It literally is a painting. You see the painting in the cutscene. There is no debate about it.

>>717130786
>It’s much better to try and help her heal from her grief so she can find joy in other areas
So we're in agreement that living in the canvas is best for her then. Because it allows her to process her grief and find joy. Her allowing Verso to age, allowing him to die naturally shows that she might actually be able to one day get over her grief. Having to deal with a person suddenly dying is a hell of a lot harder to recover from than being able to process that death as you watch them naturally pass from old age.

>>717131015
Which painting in which cutscene?

>>717131039
Verso CAN’T die though, and you know Alicia isn’t going to make it so he can die.

>>717130236
You first. Clea is Renoir v2. Verso preferred music to painting and Alicia just got pushed around her whole life.

>>717131381
see >>717131229

>>717131340
>Verso CAN’T die though
It literally shows him aging in her ending while she talks about how she hopes that this will give him some time to find happiness before he dies

>>717130742
Would you happen to have a screenshot or video? I really should have spent more time running around the manor as Alicia when I played a couple months back.

This is bullshit they literally cannot see the monolith from the port as there is a giant mountain on their way. Also, all the boats would have to go through there and arrive at the same place, and this is never addressed in the game.

>>717132771
the game that brought us hot maelle sex

>>717131790
the little canvases up there
just slowly floating around

>>717132771
I think the implication is that the boats go through the waterfall. Though the real explanation is that it’s there for game design reasons to prevent the player from going back to Lumiere as soon as they get the swimming upgrade.

>>717133008
How the fuck did they just go over my head (no pun intended)? I guess all the trips to the manor softened me for the Alicia reveal. At best they are suspended by wires to create some mood or whatever artsy shit the family want.

What do they eat? What is their tax policy?

>>717129307
They aren't real. You need to learn to accept new information, rather than clinging desperately to your initial observations.

Maelle wants to trap everyone in hell forever, just to make herself feel better.

>>717133456
oh also, iirc looking out of windows in that room it was just paint (CHROMA) flowing
not very IRL of that room

>>717131340
The Paintress was keeping him buffed with immortality, once she went down, he got debuffed

>>717133790
But it wasn't hell. Renior made it hell with his Gommage bullshit.

>>717116336
deleting a sims world isn't genocide

>>717121131
And now they all get to suffer as Maelle rots away inside the canvas. Good job, retadrd

>>717134231
Sims worlds are full of characters with self awareness and consciousness, moron.

>>717134334
They didn't look like they were suffering in the Epilogue, jackass chud

>>717134009
No, he tried to save them from the inevitable outcome of a painter losing themselves in the painting for too long. Renoir was a fucking hero.

>>717134419
Prove it. And they're doomed in Maelle's ending too, they just get to die slowly and painfully in about 16 to 33 years as Maelle's body and mind fail.

>>717101539
>I would make a defense for anyone who suddenly inherited a lifetime of memories from the real world.
That's not what happened. It is more like Alicia woke up and suddenly had 16 years of memories from an extremely vivid dream about someone named Maelle. Maelle and Alicia are not the same person, no matter how much Alicia wants to pretend she is. They don't even act the same.

>>717134481
Maybe because Maelle will just erase and repaint them unless they play along, or just force them to obey with paint magic, kinda like what she's doing to her own brother. There's a reason her ending had pretty obvious horror vibes going on.

>>717111762
Her entire family warned her. It was made very clear in journal entries that the Writers' animosity to the Painters was well known and had been going on for a long time. She would have to be a literal shut in and retard not to know even if her family didn't tell her.

>>717098112 (OP)
I dont bloody think so

Do you think Alicia fell for a cute Writer boy?

CAN'T YOU SEE?
IT'S NOT HEALTHY!

>>717135257
That's the only thing that makes sense, really. And teenage girls have a track record of fucking everything up for a boy.

>>717114717
And? Tough luck. Renoir loves her at least, having a loving dad and a fortune on top of your superpowers is more than most people get.

>>717135257
>>717136487
Quite the blatant Romeo and Juliet telegraph i say

>>717133621
Is this ever hinted at or is it just headcanon? Obviously I get they were "created", but the inhabitants of the painting very much seems to have consciousness and a will of their own. At that point, how are they any less "real" than you are?

>>717133459
fish and they shit in the streets like pajeets

>>717098112 (OP)
How do I cope with finishing this game?

>>717137896
What people usually do is become retarded like Maelle and start pretending that the painted people are real, sentient, and matter.

>>717137546
If the people in the painting didn't have free will then Verso wouldn't have been able to fight Maelle at the end.

>>717137896
Pray that someone makes another game that's just as good but with a more conventional narrative so we don't have to argue about it forever.

>>717138104
Yeah, good point. So accepting that, maelles ending seems to be preferable to the immediate eradication of thousands of lives. There's still a good chance the world is fucked as maelle wastes away, but at least it leaves a glimmer of hope that a more lasting solution can eventually be achieved.

god i wish maelle were real

>>717139210
God I wish I looked like that

>>717139134
>m-muh genocide!
the fuck do they think is going to happen to all the people once alicia dies irl

>>717139134
>If deities were having a meltdown over family bullshit I wouldn't mind being snapped out of existence for their benefit
>>717139509
You're right, in all likelihood they're fucked either way, but it's also not a foregone conclusion, either.

I wanna know what's up with the writers

third ending dlc when
>but everyone is SUPPOSED to be retarded!
don't care

>>717137896
play it again

>>717139932
I hope they don't follow through with that, it's lame as fuck.

This game doesn't need a sequel.

>>717141152
I'd rather it be a DLC thing and left at that

>>717139932
I have a feeling that they're the literal writers of the game who exist in the real world where December doesn't have 33 days.

>>717141396
The characters are gonna leave the game like some sort of 90s story book thing and kill the real writers

>>717098112 (OP)
I don't like the ultimatum of either ending, but I'll always side with Maelle. Verso is a character I have less and less sympathy for the more that I think about him.

>>717141981
I genuinely think he'd owe the people of Lumiere their life-times had Renoir not kill everyone -- but he does so I don't. I get why he lies and treats his mission as the top priority. You can only fault him if he doesn't carry it out but keeping alive in a world where everyone dies doesn't benefit anyone

I preferred when the game was about expedition and discovering a strange world with crazy lore and not personal drama of shitty family of demiurges.

To side with Verso you'd basically need to erase the first 2/3 of the game from your mind.

>>717128479
Alicia looks a bit older so she's probably 18 or so

Did this game deliberately make the characters boring so that it would be easier to choose Verso's ending? Luna and Sciel fucking suck, Gestrals are irritating, Grandis are pretty much non-entities

>>717145453
>Luna and Sciel fucking suck
each other

>>717098236
Life doesn't exist inside a video game either. The painted people are just as real as the painters, which is to say they are all entirely fictional.

>>717098112 (OP)
How come she has the Homelander glare

>>717143461
He could have told the truth and worked with the one sympathetic painter to build some form of compromise. Instead he paves the way for the worst outcomes because he can't stop being a two-faced sonuvabitch for ten minutes.

>>717143461
>I genuinely think he'd owe the people of Lumiere their life-times had Renoir not kill everyone
Uh huh. And why did that happen? Oh yeah, because Verso didn't tell them the truth.

If Maelle was a guy, everyone and their mom would mock him because how short he is.

Sex with Maelle

>>717141656
Sora is going to visit their world and save their hearts.

>>717141981
Your mistake is focusing on either Maelle or Verso in "their" endings. Either choice affects much more than just those two. You might not like Verso but he's right.

>>717143849
>demiurge
>demiurge
>demiurge
What youtube video taught that word to all you fags in these threads? None of you seem to know what it means.

>>717143461
>I genuinely think he'd owe the people of Lumiere their life-times
That would be worse than just killing them IMO

>btw you're all imaginary characters invented by my dead son
>as of now you are all infertile and I will be erasing this world as soon as you're all dead
>better hope you're not the last one here! hahaha
>sorry about those babies but I'm a nice guy, gonna let em die alone
>you're welcome! see you never

>Verso the perfectionist has a gameplay style called "Perfection" oriented around perfect play
>Verso does everything wrong all of the time
heh

>>717143849
The soap opera shit is what draws in the retards. I mean just look at every e33 thread, its just people arguing about their favorite character with 0 discussion about the actual game

>>717098112 (OP)
It’s so stupid that Lune made the
>Maelle is a strong independent lady that can make her own choices!
instead of
>We’re all alive, we deserve to live. Even if Maelle leaves the canvas please let us live. Killing us all is hideously cruel.

Removing the IP count was a mistake

>>717147080
>Either choice affects much more than just those two
Exactly. The biggest reason I side with Malle is because the people of Lumiere are clearly living thinking people in their own right, and I think everyone in the canvas deserves the chance to live a life without fear of the gommage that's plagued them for generations.

The fact I also hate Verso for being a manipulative, self-pitying, backstabber doesn't have much to do with that decision.

>>717147442
Her best bet was appealing to Renoir's fatherly senses about Alicia, because at this point it's very obvious that Renoir would not give a fuck about a morality argument.

>>717147548
Then you're just dooming them to a slow painful death in a doomed world because you can't face reality, just like Maelle.

Sciel is going to WALL so hard

>>717115237
power bottom

>>717147595
A life they'll actually get to live. And the only reason Maelle is at risk is because her shitty family can't just leave the canvas alone and would rather commit mass genocide then simply let Lumiere exist on its own.

>>717147595
How is that slow and painful, even if the canvas is eventually doomed at least the main cast can live a full life without dealing with the Gommage and Nevrons

>>717128372
It's the opposite, Aline did not want to blame Alicia for Verso's death but she found it difficult to face her daughter regardless because Alicia is a mirror of her grief.

>>717147803
>finding out that the world is fake, you're not real, nothing means anything
>"yeah so anyway just fuck around til you die lol then I'll erase any and all remnants of you forever. Have fun!"
>btw you and your world is 100% controlled, to the smallest detail, by a teenage girl who is going insane

>>717148371
I think we’re told the reason Painted Alicia is burned is because she blames her for Verso, and crippling her is kind of her way of punishing her

>>717148371
I can't really think of a non-fucked up reason for creating a copy of your daughter and making sure she still can't talk or breathe properly due to her burn scars

>>717148548
>just fuck around til you die
That's literally just what living life is.

The difference between Maelle and the other painters is that she fully lived among the people of Lumiere and cared about them as actual people and not just toys that need to be thrown away.

>>717148679
It seems unlikely that every single painter just commits genocide on a regular basis and thinks nothing of it, but somehow nobody but this traumatized teenage girl could realize that they're actually alive, not just painted to seem alive. Sounds like a young adult novel

>>717148548
Maelle controlling the canvas like that is headcanon though, a character like Lune has dedicated her life to the expedition she hasn’t really gotten to live for herself yet and a lot of her camp interactions is about that. Look at her reaction to Verso’s ending and how betrayed she looks. Also Sciel was so excited to be reunited with her lover, she tried to put a brave face but you can tell she was disappointed at the ending. So that’s kind of the reason why Maelle’s ending might be appealing, for the expeditions and their sacrifices.

>>717148875
We have no idea how many painters there are or how they operate as an organization, but the Dessendres are blatantly used to playing God, creating and burning down entire worlds.

>>717147442
The game seems to go out of its way to forget about the plight of the people in the painting even though the horror of the gommage is the hook that gets you into the game in the first place.

>>717149071
You have to learn to adapt your views as you get new information. Sure it seems horrible at first, but then you learn what's going on and figure out that it's a mercy.

>Painters make worlds with pretty much fully sentient human beings inside them
>Then can just choose to destroy it all on a whim
Pretty fucked up, this isn't the kind of power anyone should have.

>>717149656
The actual good ending to the series is killing all the monsters in real world, the Painters and the Writers.

>>717149656
What the fuck makes you think they're sentient dumbnuts?

>>717149890
>Being intentionally dishonest
Sentience is defined as being able to experience and react to sensations or feelings, more broadly it can be defined as "free will", or the capacity to make your own choices. Which all people in the paintings display. They feel pain, love, sorrow, in every way that people outside the paintings do. And all of their own accord, the Painters don't need to make any direct inputs in this regard, it's essentially a "Set it and forget it" kind of model where people there all go through the same life cycles in the real world, people have children, they get old, they die. All without any direction of the Painters.

>>717150071
NPCs, robots,no different.

>>717145453
No. It's very obvious they knew they made something subpar and figured it didn't matter because it wasn't going to do well anyways. Imagine their shock when retards ate it up.

>>717150207
I just described how they are different.

>>717150237
NPCs and robots can do the same pretending. In fact they did, in this video game

>>717150293
What makes you think all the people in the canvas are merely pretending?

After seeing Carbot's animation, now I can't unsee Clea keeping guard in front of the canvas and shoving Alicia back in everytime Renoir removes her from the canvas during his boss fight.

I still don't envy the devs. Imagine coming up with the sequel that lives up to the hype.

>>717151224
The game really coasted by on its music and gameplay. Both things are fairly repeatable. The story starts out really intriguing but flounders about a third of the way in.

>>717151758
The idea that the story goes to shit after Gus is offed is shared by absolutely no one besides a vocal minority on 4chan

>>717151976
I meant the last third not the first third, mb. Although Gustav dying is also wasted. All the talk of "Those who come after" and it wasn't a total party wipe (Maelle can be the sole survivor for story reasons) with a new expedition team lead by her picking up where the team died. Also we never set a checkpoint flag ourselves for future expeditions. Weak capitalization on the themes.

>>717152180
I see what you mean but I will push back on a few points.
One, Maelle being a sole survivor and recalling with a new expedition would just lead to an annoying situation where you lose both Lune and Sciel with Gus, which would either lead to them being wasted character archetypes not worth spending any time on learning, or just palet swapped with replacements that use their exact same shtick.
It'd be an incredibly unsatisfying gameplay device to service a story point that isn't necessary.
It works with Gustave because it is a one-off and Verso has enough of his own thinf going on while also evolving Gustave's shtick.
As for not ever setting a 33 flag anywhere, its because we never go anywhere that has not been tread before.
33 is the fulfillment of all those who came before, the journey is perfected and Maelle assures that, while Verso gradually guides them to where expedition 0 has gone.
The only location the expedition visits which has not been previously explored is the mansion, which actually does have a 33 flag. "Those who come after" is ultimately a misdirection and not a main theme of the story. It is a motif that provides context ultimately to the core ethos of Lumiere, and provides liturgy which propels the main characters to succeed where all before them did not.

>>717152758
>It'd be an incredibly unsatisfying gameplay device
Isn't that exactly what happened with Gustav and Verso though? He just takes over his entire shtick gameplay wise.

>>717152994
>>717152758
Ah right you mention that, but it's not really a satisfying explanation. If it's gonna happen to him and be pulled off decently enough I don't see why the same can't be true for the girls. And the point about not spending time or learning about them, that's not how people felt when Verso died.

As for the one about them not going anywhere other expeditions haven't that's just not true, at least according to some journals. The team that sets down the climbing and grappling points all died toward the end, but not the very end, and there are other higher level areas you go to that still have them.

Also the entire ending area in Lumiere really makes no sense to have expedition flags entirely, since no team ever got to the point where they are, having defeated the Paintress and fighting against Renoir.

Was there really anywhere for Gustave's character to go in the story, had he lived?

>>717153423
Verso let him die because he was worried the plan wouldn't work with him there, so there's potentially some drama there. Especially if Gustav is suspicious of him and not just swallowing all his lies and bullshit. There's also no telling how he'd react once he learns the whole truth of the situation. He might want to destroy the canvas too, or he could side with Maelle.

Maelle's ending is the only choice.
Verso gets to die of old age.
Maelle gets her happy ending
Everyone lives and rebuilds the world.
And Verso gets to play piano like he always wanted.

>>717153683
>Verso gets to die of old age.
Verso never dies, he stays as that ghost boy thing being forced to paint forever. Well, his soul anyway.

>>717151758
Nah, that's when it went from decent to great.

Holy shit Gustave-isms were annoying

>>717153683
Cope. The world is still fucked in Maelle's ending, they just get a bit more time before the end. They're not going to be rebuilding shit, and in fact it would be cruel to let them have any more children at that point.

>>717128372
>Aline made Painted Alicia look more creepy and monstrous
She didn't even finish colouring her.

>>717154136
Nope. Your headcanon doesn't work here.
Maelle saved the world. And is living happily there. She gets upset for a bit when she looks at Verso being a moody bitch, but she gets over it quickly as she's smiling again in her last scene.

>>717147220
>btw you're all imaginary characters invented by my dead son
They were invented by Aline.

Maelle ending isn't that bad, its not like she's gonna waste away in the painting her parents could just be like "Alicia time for dinner, say goodnight to your sims"

>>717155240
She can't leave because the second she leaves the painting Renoir destroys it, which he's right to worry about her being obsessed with it because in the ending she's turning into those spooky ghost things that happen when you stay in their too long.

once you know it's not real the magic should just be gone and she should realise the error of her ways
only women i swear to god

Maelle does not resurrect anyone after they got all gommage'd. She just paints them again based on her memories and emotions. That's why Lumiere in her ending is filled with copy-paste white people; she never cared enough about any of them to recreate them as individuals and doesn't care enough or is too inept to paint in individual people as populace of Lumiere. None of the people have come back. They're just copies painted in to replace the lost originals.

>>717156446
She probably is just not good enough too honestly. She can barely beat her dad after he was weakened from being TRAPPED and BETRAYED by his wife for dozens of years. And she always talks about how Clea and her mom are stronger painters than her.

>>717128372
>>717154485
>Aline purposefully makes the painted version of her daughter scary, hideous, and more deformed than she already is, complete with crippling pain and physical handicaps
>Clea paints over the painted version of herself to make her also a mute freak that is so fucked up it she kills herself when given the chance
The Desendre women are all just psycho cunts

>>717152758
>Lune and Sciel being wasted character archetypes
They already are that. They're both boring as shit. Sciel at least has her suicide attempt backstory, Lune doesn't even have that.

I don't trust Alicia to be a benevolent god.

If 100 canvas years was what Aline thought was okay/"safe" to fight Renoir for then generously 1000 canvas years is deadly.
I don't think Alicia would allow death under her rule.

>>717154025
I meant the last third, Gustav dying was a good hook, but ultimately squandered

You should choose Maelle's ending. Not for any sympathy for Maelle, but to maximize the suffering of the Dessendres.

>>717109779
>Verso’s biggest mistake was letting him die, because Gustave was probably the one person who could have convinced Maelle to leave the canvas.

You overestimate his influence over her. This isn't Maelle, it's the fusion of Maelle and Alicia. And she gave a rat's ass about what Verso wanted to the point where she forces him to play the piano for her entertainment, despite valuing Verso so much.

>>717105054
>other than watching Maelle become more and more of a bored demiurge)

How long would it take until she dabbles into absolute degeneracy?

>>717155240
We don't know how much time passes in the painting when you leave it. Maelle will most likely miss her friends' entire lives if she steps away. When she returns they're old.

>>717159247
When Maelle returned to the real world she was gone for a good few minutes and time seemed to have passed pretty normally.

>>717159370
Alicia immediately returned to the canvas the moment Maelle was killed.
Meanwhile Renoir and Aline have been in the canvas for 60 something years while outside Alicia is still 16. And the fire was recent enough because the manor still has damage from it.

>>717159570
She had time to chat with Clea for a few minutes before returning, but yeah time does seem to pass faster in that other case

>>717160301
That wasn't returning, that was a flashback to the time she first entered the canvas. Moron.

>>717098112 (OP)
She just wants to OD on drugs until she dies, that's what the painting is. While abandoning her family and the struggle that is ongoing in the real world (there's a war at play). She's a LOSER.

>>717160476
No need to be rude. BITCH

>>717160540
Her mom and sister hate her anyway, it's like her dad is the only one that that still cares about her.

>>717160717
They both found some respect for her from the achievements in the canvas. The whole family has the potential to mend afterwards. If Alicia only gets her ass out.

>>717160839
You don't want "some respect" from your family, you want them to love and care about you. This is how older people are reacting to a young girl getting horribly crippled and her brother dying, all because they're too up their own ass in despair.

The message I got form the devs is that if you are suffering greatly in life and you want an escape, you shouldn't, you should instead continue to live and suffer and THEN perhaps kill yourself but don't kill yourself with drugs because going away painlessly isn't good, you MUST suffer physically and mentally first for a while.

>>717161027
Retard.

>>717098112 (OP)
The moment I laid eyes on Maelle, I knew I had to jerk off to her

>>717098112 (OP)
You don't understand, living as a deformed cripple in early 20th century France is the ideal life for a woman :)

>>717160915
>older women
FTFY. Renoir still loves her unconditionally

The whole painter concept is good because its basically just a sci-fi simulatied universes story but placed into a fantasy world. We will unironically have to deal with these moral questions within our lifetimes when we are playing games with sentient AI in them.

>>717161767
>>717157005
>The true message from the devs is that women are evil
Ugh... dare I say, BASED?

>Maelle
>grew up on lumiere
>an orphan
>fucking hated it there
>rather go on a suicide mission because she thought everyone hates her
>somewhat sweet
>happy go lucky
>learning to grow as a person through her grief
>for those who come after.
>died in the gommage (act II)
This is Maelle.
>Alicia
>grew up in paris
>stacked as fuck
>loved and feels loved
>"aye, momma I love me "wroid-thang" more, blushing is for pussey"
>burn the house down
>blind, burned, mute and possibility of chronic pain
>*time skip* (act III)
>maelle's memories get!!
>bratty as fuck
>want to fuck her fake brother
>delusional
>uuuuugh, she said she wanted to die so... but not for you though, you must live because I will be marrying you and we'll be making gallons of incest babies together
>b-but I have nothing left outside the canvas except I'm rich as fuck. an older sister but she's a bitch. maybe mom fucking hates me now but dad's still love me so whatever.
>did I mention I can do painting magic too
>oh? you want to keep the scarred face?
>nah you look better without it
>to me, yes. to me
>play the piano, verso
This is Alicia. please refer to them properly. my autism can't handle this.

>>717148875
>>finding out that the world is fake, you're not real, nothing means anything
>>"yeah so anyway just fuck around til you die lol then I'll erase any and all remnants of you forever. Have fun!"
>>btw you and your world is 100% controlled, to the smallest detail, by a teenage girl who is going insane
I think the other painters do recognize the personhood of the painted people. Just look at how Renoir addresses verso near the end, he is genuinely sympathetic toward him and is sorry that he was made to exist. The way he talks about offering oblivion as recompense comes across as him talking to somebody who he recognizes as a conscious entity.

>>717162026
>This is Alicia
No, that's Maelicia.
Alicia was a shy, tortured girl with no assertiveness at all.

>>717149797
>The actual good ending to the series is killing all the monsters in real world, the Painters and the Writers.
My headcannon is that the Writers are the gods of the Painters world and their war with them parallels Lumiere's war against the Painters. Hence the vagueness about the writers "causing Verso's death" i.e. writing it into the story. You could go one step further if you want and say that the writers are the actual writers of the game in some sort of meta-narrative. This makes the painters all the more selfish and evil in their indifference to the painting's inhabitants, since they're literally no different and have no god-given rights as real people above the fake painting.

>>717162245
Alicia is Alicia's cousin and Maelle is Maelle's cousin.

>>717162542
Esquie cuddles :3

>>717162750
Gonna get me an Esquie plushy and make it an onahole.

>>717162542
What the fuck kind of a toy is he supposed to be? He's fucking terrifying. My older female cousin had a huge Alf plushie and he fucking traumatized me

>>717154493
That’s bull crap, the Maelle ending was creepy the last shot of her was her deformed face with a loud PANG back track to emphasize how bad it was

>>717162112
Renoir might have had a Maelle experience of his own before, which explains why he can sympathize with painted Verso as painted people whether real or not still originated from someone with true experiences.

>>717163016
She was smiling.

>>717163063
He says he did. And Aline was the one who taught him how to not get addicted by the intoxicating power of the canvas. Which is why he's going so hard to save Aline, and why Clea is so mad at her for being a hypocrite.

>>717163443
Yeah, it's not for nothing that the game tells you more than a few times that canvases are dangerous in general.

I was gonna give this game a try but the ending really is "it was all just a dream" tier bullshit isn't it?
not worth my time.

>>717163651
Yes, yes. Not worth your time. Now fuck off.

>>717098112 (OP)
she's an egoist that only cares about herself and doesn't give a fuck about others. Some day you'll grow, kid, and understand the concept of selfishness.

>>717163380
The game was clearly trying to make that a creepy Bad End kind of thing, and even her smile looked fake. This could even be considered one of the flaws with the game: it’s pretty obvious Verso’s ending was part of their “creative vision”, they shouldn’t have made Maelle’s ending so disturbing. Verso’s ending was sad but it had a more “things are put right” kind of vibe, the game could have also gone a lot harder explaining why Maelle’s ending is the right choice ie more emphasis on how you’re basically wiping out a civilization but the game spends shockingly little dialogue on that ramification; the emphasis was more on Maelle’s health, Maelle’s argument is 95% about what will make her happy she has one dialogue talking about how she doesn’t want Lumiere wiped out (and it wasn’t like a “theyre alive they deserve to exist” kind of argument it was more of a “but I’ll miss them :(“ thing).

>>717163380
Certainly not creepy and scary in the slightest!

>>717163743
>you’re basically wiping out a civilization
The issue with this is that perspective matters. If a man painted three younger versions of himself and you saw him destroying those men without context you'd think that he killed three men when in reality he only erased past memories of his that are nothing more than illusions, and that's also what Lumiere is: Nothing more than an unsustainable illusion.

>>717163923
Illusions that are for all intents and purposes completely sentient

>>717163923
Not really considering the people of Lumiere clearly have desires, capacity of love and relationships. And that is best expressed through Lune who despises Verso for destroying the canvas and wants to learn about the outside world. And it would make all these interactions with characters, and emotional plot beats like Gustave or Painted Clea killing herself, null. Even the ending plays into it with Painted Verso’s sorrow “I’ll miss you guys.” I 100% reject the idea that the game wants you to think Lumiere is expendable, I can understand Verso’s ending in a more “well they’re doomed anyways” mindset so might as well pull the plug when most of them are already Gommage’d + spare Maelle.

>>717098236
It depends on how you define "life."
In the painting:
>The people / Esquie / Monoco / other Gestrals all seem to have agency, self-awareness, consciousness
>If you played the game and paid attention you'd know that they seem to give birth as with Maelle's "reincarnation" (I couldn't think of a better term)
>They all have passion, emotions, the ability to make decisions
>They all have the ability to lie and deceive
>They can fuck as with Sciel and Verso, indicating the feel pleasure and are obviously capable of feeling pain, whether physical or emotional
>They are also capable of death and have enough agency to fear it
All this without any of those actions being controlled or directed by a third party. The Paintress nor anyone else is controlling them like a marionette puppet.
So, barring that they may not be made of organic material (cells, DNA - which is questionable due to the fact they BLEED) they are indeed very much alive. Just not "alive" by the standards of a simpleton, like (you).

>>717164118
Yet they're still illusions.

>>717164182
I don't think the game is telling you to throw Lumiere away as much as it's asking you what it represented and if such a creation can truly die forever if its creator still lives. That being said my take on Lumiere is that everyone in the story was simply Aline's take on her family members so it doesn't truly 'die', all of those possibilities and healthy behaviors they had are what the Dessendres can do too. The only true loss would be Verso's canvas in this case but it's the painted Verso's right to erase it as he's finally grasped the true meaning of Verso, becoming the same man in essence after over a century of torture.

>>717164608
Yeah, illusions that are still sentient and thus it would be immoral and fucked up to just destroy them with no care or thought to their will and agency

>>717164841
You're talking to a moron with barely a high school education. She has the all the agency of a potato and can't reason beyond what she's going to have for breakfast. Philosophical dilemmas like this are 1000's of miles above her head.

>>717098236
would be nice if we get to explore this powerful concept in any way or have the painted people argue their right to live to the person that is threatening it. wait, here comes lune and sciel now about to talk to renior for the first time at the final battle. surely they will try their best to portray their side of things in an effort to argue for their very existence.
>"you know renior, parenting can be ruff, it can even be tuff, but what really helps is that you really listen to your kids"
what in the goddamn...

is the game worth it as a long time final fantasy fan?

>>717165192
If you want to play Final Faggotry, go play Final Faggotry.
Are you one of those NPCs who has to compare every game to your favorite franchise then shit the bed when said game isn't the same exact thing as your favorite franchise?
If so, KYS

>>717165287
jfc i just asked faggot

>>717165192
you'll probably like it if you like rpg's generally, it's not very FF though

>>717165358
>it's not very FF though
It's turn based

>>717098112 (OP)
I want to fuck her burned version

>>717164965
Rich, when you never considered the possibility that maybe the game isn't focused on that and keeps emphasizing the things Painters paint for a good reason.

>>717164841
If I'm right and everything is just a reflection of Aline's thoughts and memories about her family, that means you didn't actually destroy them in the first place and Verso's ending returns the light reflected in Lumiere to its true place with the Dessendres.

whats the best build and how do i get the best gear asap

>>717165192
Most likely, as long as you don't mind the parry/evade system.

>>717165379
Every turn based game is like FF? It is only 1 of many elements of what makes up an FF game
It is also a variant turn based system in which dodge/parry eliminates a lot of what might otherwise be more relevant

>>717165443
Would be nice if we ever got that clarified, but I haven’t really seen enough evidence of that being the case beyond the painted figures most closely associated with them like the painted forms of Alicia and Clea.

does this game have secrets? areas, items, bosses

Verso's remnant, the one that fuels the Painting, what is he exactly? It can't be his soul right? It doesn't age, so if it his soul then Verso grew up as a shell of a man. Is it a sort of clone, a snapshot of him at that moment of the Painting's creation? This works better as the remnant Verso is still a child with childish reactions and feelings.

>>717165938
I always took that little painting boy to just be a fragment or a portion of his soul. But I still have a lot of questions about that whole thing, like how much they understand and interact with us, he stops talking and noticing you after a while but how come. No power left to do so, or was he never talking to you specifically in the first place?

>>717165938
It's just a part of his soul, it's actually why Alicia and Aline are so obsessed with protecting the canvas at all costs.

>>717165569
He's a faggot (the hint was his favorite franchise is final faggotry). I tried to warn you he would be a fuckface about it. He's only baiting and seething because in his simple mind E33 is somehow a competitor to Final Faggotry and he have that.

I could make her happy

>noooo, you can't just stop me from fucking your wife, renoir
>I love them too!!!!!

>>717125705
>>717126036
i reached act 3 when patch 3 came out. right in time to add hp multipliers to the endgame bosses, which was sorely needed as i was fighting alicia & i was running through her like a hot knife through butter. i had thought there was maybe a phase 2(no way it's this easy) but seeing how she applies rush & powerful the lower her hp drops, i decided to follow my intuition & give enemies 20x hp. i'm very thankful that i did because it turned out to be the most kino bossfight in the game. finished the rest of act 3 story with the multiplier on & it was a ton of fun.

>>717167845
I play on Story Mod with cheat mods and I am better than you.

>>717167048
You couldn't make a blow up doll happy, incel. Stick to rubbing your little peepee to cartoon anime girls and holding anime waifu pillow tight at night because that's as close as you will ever get to a woman without duct tape and ether.

>>717163380
>She was smiling.
in the same way those journalists converted to islam or else got their head choped off by isis.

>>717108558
i noticed this on my 2nd playthrough, believe you can land close to there, run in and get the pico for 1k def, but half hp.

>>717098112 (OP)
>Male
Thats a dude anon.

>>717163743
the fact they made maelle's ending so haunting just elevates it imo. the monochrome filter, everybody's smiles looking so offputting(gustave in particular), the random kid whose parents we don't know(i like to imagine maelle mounted verso vigorously), the music, the opera, maelle's broken visage, & of course verso facing off against the piano in what mirrors an ancient greek tragedy.
in terms of presentation & thematic callbacks, it blows the verso ending out of the water.

>>717098112 (OP)
She's literally the hero of the story, saves the people and her friends. She did absolutely nothing wrong, just a nice girl.

Verso betrays everyone he claims to love, lies and deceives. Tries to kill everyone including his friends so he can force his mother back to her controlling and abusive husband against her will. Clearly the villain.

>>717163016
How do people not understand that the black and white stuff in her ending is just Versos depressed point of view.

>>717163380
>>717163743

The leader writer of the game clearly wanted to create negative implications for both endings.

Implication for Verso's ending:

Everyone started to properly grieve like normal people but Maelle is gone. Lumiere is gone. The continent is gone. Her friends? Gustav, Sciel, Esquie Monoco, every single person she met and loved for the past 16 years are dead.

Alicia is standing alone at the funeral, having to learn to live as a deformed, eyeless mute in the real world.
She is alone. Will she finallly move on and reconcile with her family? Maybe, maybe not.


Implication for Maelle's ending:

Everyone is back, Lumiere is back, Gustave is back. Verso can now play the piano. The implication here is that he is forced to do it because he is afraid of Maelle.

He gets up on the scene, but hesitates. Then BANG.

Discord piano sound.

In his eyes, Maelle is becoming like her mother. She is losing herself in the canvas become consumed by it. Her mental state will deteriorate. And what will happen after that? We don't know.

Both endings have their negative connotations, it's just that unavoidably, Maelle's ending has the worst of the two.

It just needs nuance and insight to figure it out.

Only Esquie, Francois, the Gestrals and Grandis have a business being in the canvas. The rest can get scraped off and thrown away. Aline selfishly painted over Verso's (and Clea's) creations. What a bitch.

>>717170279
Clea can go fuck herself too. She created the Lampmaster and traumatized Verso for no fucking reason

>>717098112 (OP)
Yes

>>717102786
Alicia wouldn't do this...

>>717112627
Jesus Christ, I heard it's even worse in cutscenes

>>717098112 (OP)
Every character from this game looks... crusty.

>>717167048
A sequel about Alicia trying to secure a boyfriend would be a story in and of itself.

>>717172170
They haven't showered in weeks.

>>717102786
>>717171287
>verso mon frère, it looks like i dropped my rapier. how silly of me tehee

>>717167048
You and every other emotionally stunted art school reject in this thread. Bro saw her tragic backstory and thought “I can fix that” like it’s a Pixar short and not a downward spiral into codependence and paint-fueled madness.

>>717136190
>DODGE GUSTAAAAAV

>>717124398
>There also needs to be adults that stay to care for the youth who
CHILD SOLDIERS YAAAAAAAY

>>717172723
VISA/Master Card won't like this

>>717113134
Her life was miserable in the painting, watching genocide over and over. The inhabitants of the place only even existed due to her family. Abandoning her family to stay with their creations is redundant and will end badly due to being their creations, they will inevitably perspire with them if not turn on Maelle, as Verso did or wish for suicide, as painted Alicia did.
Not to mention she is dying in the painting and her body exist in the real world and is vulnerable to things in the real world, like the Writers. Solipsists need to fuck off.

>>717106037
Even her sister does not hate her, she is just really firm.

>>717167048
The only thing that could make her happy is brothercock

>>717169407
>abandoning your family and reality because you can't cope with loss is a good thing, tee hee hee
>a man should put up with shambling and dying zombies in his home or else he is an abusive husband/father
Retard/woman logic.

>>717098112 (OP)
>Played by a fat english lesbo
Yes, she is evil and I know nothing of this game.

>>717169407
>Verso should be forced to keep painting and playing the piano just to make some spoiled girl who isn't actually his sister happy.
The Maelle ending is unmistakably evil.

>>717173170
Clea does blame Alicia for Verso's death, though, and is cross with her because of it. And to be fair, Clea is absolutely right. She's the only member of her family to not fuck up in some way.

>>717171049
just a bit of sisterly banter

>>717174119
Yeah, that doesn't mean she doesn't still love her sister, she said she does still love the fact that Verso saved her in spite of it costing him his life.

>>717174581
And she's not beyond praise when Alicia comes up with a good idea.

>>717174581
She said she loved and hated him for that.

>>717174721
Yeah, because he died.

>>717167294
It's very relatable how the Dessandres kill their copies.
Clea must've been so disgusted at her mother's recreation of her and her father's axon of her, so of course she made sure to torture the copy and destroy the axon

Why is Clea so goddamn hot? She's terrifying.

>>717171049
You can't have Clair without the Obscur. Clea understood the assignment

>>717158459
Verso: please kill me
>Alicia: But I still feel bad about you dying, we didn't have enough time together, it's not fair!
Verso: Let me die plz.

The "QUIT QUOTING PUHPA" line cracks me up

>>717175306
It shows she knows Renoir is right and Verso quoting him upsets her severely.
>you're going to die here
>nooo, let's go home and talk about this

>>717172723
Thats canon

>>717098423
>psychopath
That's literally Verso though
>superficially charming
>lies and uses everyone for his own ends the entire time

>>717173760
Maelles family let her down so badly she has every right in the world to leave them. If you mean Aline then yes her leaving the family was wrong of her, but a far lesser wrong than Renoirs response.

>>717173942
Verso promised her to play for her in their theatre once they finished their mission. For once he had to live up to his promise the lying fucking scumbag. He's depressed, boo fucking hoo, suck it up.

Aline and Renoir are both retards for defacing their sons creation, so at this point where it's already fucking ruined you might aswell bin it

>>717176883
Aline didn't ruin shit she added to it. The fading boy does not complain about humans once, in fact he seems happy they're there. His issue is with Renoir and Clea.

>>717176692
The worst part is he'd have gotten exactly what he wants if he just pulled a betrayal after Maelle killed Renoir.
Stab Sciel or Lune in the back, be beaten by the others, problem solved.
And with him gone, Monoco would just leave, so maybe Maelle with Sciel or Lune alone won't be able to beat Alina.

>>717172785
Most realistic reply. They will try to save her and nevertheless, and like her, they will enter a painting that will slowly suck the life out of them.

>>717176812
Verso is playing in the theater when they return to Lumier in act 3.

>>717177135
How is that him getting what he wants? Aline will just keep painting

How long does Alicia REALLY have in the painting before Renoir re-ENTERs the canvas and forces her out once and for all?
Maybe Clea too.

>>717178187
Does Clea care? Yes she wants to erase the canvas, but she seems pretty whatever with leaving Aline in there forever. It feels like she'd be content letting Alicia stay. She's preoccupied with the Writers anyway. Renoir already tried and failed, what else can he do other than kill Alicia IRL

>It was all a dream and actually none of the characters are real they're just painting lol lmao even
Worst fucking writing. Haven't people learned not to write like this? I also find it funny how none of the gang seem to have mental breakdowns learning their entire existence isn't really real and can be ended at any moment if the painting is destroyed.

>>717178507
They very clearly are "real" though. It's just a matter of definition, but see >>717164357 who summed it up pretty well

>>717178492
Renoir was tired from his fight with Aline.
Let him get a cup of coffee and a croissant before he tries again.
He's not going to literally let her die in the canvas.

>>717178492
>she seems pretty whatever with leaving Aline in there forever
She doesn't think Aline will stay in there forever.

>>717139825
Renoir is definitely getting rid of the canvas if Alicia dies because of it. That world is doomed either way. The only difference is how long the people there get to live.

>>717177135
Are you literally retarded? That wouldn't accomplish what he wanted at all.

>>717179660
All the people died at the end of act 2. What's walking around are painted versions Alicia put in from memory.
Which is the only legacy they could hope for as Alicia is the only one wo cares enough about them to create a rendition.
Which is also why she needs to get her shit together and out of the canvas or oblivion, not legacy is what the people of painted Lumiere will receive.

>>717098112 (OP)
If there's any character who's done literally nothing wrong, it's this one.

>>717179660
Alicia should leave the canvas and kill Renoir. Maybe she could send out Aline to do it, pretend she forgives him and cut his throat when he goes to sleep.

>>717157005
>Aline purposefully makes the painted version of her daughter scary, hideous, and more deformed than she already is, complete with crippling pain and physical handicaps
>Clea paints over the painted version of herself to make her also a mute freak that is so fucked up it she kills herself when given the chance
I think that is two separate things. There is a bit of a subtext that people hate representations of themselves. Clea calls the fake family obscene and mutates her own version, but not Verso when she meets him. With Maelle, we see she VERY easily decides to erase painted Alicia, even though we see later she can't let go of things easily. The Curator barely hears Painted Renoir out then he goes to grab Maelle's hand to push it onto Renoir and erase him. But we see later with Verso he is willing to hear entertain discussion until it becomes clear that Alicia is in danger. He is also a bit more caring with Verso and Maelle. We see he touches them a lot, but he never so much as greets Renoir.

>>717098238
Not only that but the player experience and Maelle's experience are very similar.

>>717113134
>>717173037
The game made a point that her life in the painting wasn't very good. She was an outsider who wanted to go on a death expedition just to get away from Lumiere.
Her life outside the painting isn't just bad because she got burnt.

>>717180287
I think it's about finally moving on rather than "hating" them. Renoir and Clea are ready to move on whilst Aline isn't. Clea defaces her painted version out of spite and anger at her mother, not the painted versions. The Dessendres aren't bad people. Renoir clearly understands the pain this conflict has brought the painted people, which is why he sympathizes with Verso and obviously Alicia.

>>717161027
Faggot

>>717098112 (OP)
She's just like me

If alicia really wanted to escape that badly, even if this painting was destroyed, she wouldve lost herself in another one.
She was already gone. She was, the walking dead.