Thread 717119346

Do you like city building games?

no, i always put something in the wrong spot and an hour later i'll realise how much it annoys me

>>717119346 (OP)
Wake me up when slavery, harem, and skirmish mechanics

>>717119413
Start analyzing the city planning in your are. You will quickly want to kill all city planners

The last good one was Zeus master of olympus

>>717119346 (OP)
No, I end up realizing how inefficient and shitty everything I built was a few hours in, when my citizens all start freezing and starving to death or something, and then want to metafag it all which subsequently ruins all the fun and creativity.
That was my Banished experience any way.

>>717119346 (OP)
yes but I get bored of them after playing for one day

Yes but I kinda have to be in the mood and also a lot of them are crap.
One of my favourites is actually hated, Anno 2205. I liked the naval stuff to break things up it was fun
Anno is good in general. I'll probably get that Pax Romana thing

Honestly though I want a rts where I can build with the bros.

>>717119346 (OP)
i do >>717120053 banished is one of my favorite, basically nailed the perfect scale for this kind of game
there arn't enough of these, also i like picrel in the small scale kind that i shilled a bunch of times already

>>717119759
way ahead of you

I dusted off SimCity 3000 today and its been pretty fun, took me a minute to get in the habit of just messing around and remembering that a town can be shit for decades without you needing to save scum because everything has to be perfect every second.

>>717119346 (OP)
I don't like how little building variety there is in these games. Tropico is the worst offender I admit it's a bit of a skill issue and I'm not really creative. I just don't want certain buildings next to each other it's hard to make it aesthetically pleasing and functional.

>>717119346 (OP)
>build city
>nothing really happens

it's just too boring. it needs stuff like riots, zombie hordes, alien invasions, being bombed in a war, etc to put your design and infrastructure to the test

Ye
Thoughts on against the storm? I liked the base game, wondering how good the dlcs are

>>717119346 (OP)
>Do you like city building games?
I am interested in Timberborn, Dwarf Fortress and Against the Storm. I have 170 in Kenshi too but that's not really a city builder

>>717120886
why do europeans constantly have to talk about american cities and cars in city building threads

>>717121063
banished have that, illness and tornadoes

>>717121293
because it's simply shocking how poorly designed American cities are.

>>717119346 (OP)
Not really, and its not that I inherently dislike city builders, but more so that aren't really a legit genre and rather just extremely casual logistics games. Like there's no gameplay element in Anno that isn't present in OpenTTD or Factorio. Its just an extremely simplified version of that. City Skylines almost breaks through that glass ceiling but ultimately doesn't.

yeah, waiting for Anno 117, Manor lords and Farthest Frontier to finally come out

>>717119346 (OP)
Yes and I wish there were a generic thematic game where you can build elf city, orc city, or undead city

>>717119879
You are god damn right

I love ANNO. Super excited for 117. Not a city builder but I've been playing Two Point Museum, shit is so god damn good.

I don't like games where I'm basically doing a job.

>>717121293
nobody mentioned europe or america little bro

>>717122752
Killing enemy combatants or being a hitman is some people's job.

>>717119346 (OP)
>Do you like city building games?
Fuck yes I do. Probably one of my favorite genres. Pic rel is probably the best I have played in a long, long time

https://youtu.be/_GtBWONlJ10?si=YFxouamOicafhtk6

>>717122595
yes, I've been waiting for a game like this since I finished Alien Nations 2

>>717122679
Greece never looked like that???

Just got Worshipers of Cthulhu. Loved the demo

>>717122939
Not everybody gets to kill 100+ bad guys, anon. That's a fantasy, not a job.

Been playing Against the Storm a bit since the latest DLC dropped. Not sure how much it really counts as a city builder though

>>717121881
In the campaigns you got basic objectives

>>717123234
Not gonna entertain your mental gymnastics.

Play Tlatoani: Aztec Cities

t. Mesoamerican history infodumper

>>717122679
>>717119879
especially you two

>>717121293
it's literally one autistic car hating bikefag

>>717119346 (OP)
Only Dark Cloud
W*stood games are inferior to Japanese games folded over 10,000 times

anyone played this?

Ive been playing Foundation. pretty chill

>>717123661
>early access
nah, remind me when it actually releases and matters

Anno 1800

>>717121616
Why don't they add in a supermarket or some ammenities in the center? Jeeze. Suburban living is a fucking meme

I love citybuilding. But I've lost the ability I had as a child to just drop shit and carry on. I *need* to plan. And there is too much to plan which results in paralysis.

>>717124009
Can't wait till they add trains.

>>717119346 (OP)
i always like the start of this games growing a small comfy village then it gets too big and I dont like it and stop playing.

>>717124843
It's more than just planning. It's a need to optimize. Suddenly you need to know what the end result will be before you even start. That's just hellish. Even moreso if you're just starting the game and have some concept of what the optimization is but don't have the experience to know precise details.

>>717123320
Sure, but the gameplay itself is incredibly basic. And generally involves dropping a handful of copypasted blocks. Its not as good at presenting problems that need to be solved as the aforementioned games, insofar as resource and space management, eliminating bottlenecking, and meeting growing demands. Ideally a logistic game is an increasingly complex puzzle with limitless optimization.

>>717119346 (OP)
Yes.

And I think Emperor is vastly underrated. It's the best Impressions game by a good margin.

>>717120886
>thinks gross exaggeration helps his point rather than hurts it

>>717119346 (OP)
Yes.

>>717120886
me on the right

>>717120053
>when my citizens all start freezing and starving to death or something
This isn't the result of not metafagging. This is the result of not understanding the mechanics and their consequences. Ensuring that villagers live near where they work and controlling the expansion so that you don't get birth/death waves is not "metafagging." Metafagging is making your farms with specific dimensions that give the greatest yield per worker and puzzling out how to fit things so that there is no wasted space.

>>717119346 (OP)
As long as it isn't 100% casual.
I want my city to matter beyond some off colored lines of illness and trash. Especially a story!
Which is probably why I like games that are closer to Diplomacy not an option and Age of Empires.

>>717121616
it makes sense when you realise stuff like this exists because people want to get as far away as possible from brown and black people

>>717125234
Last time I had trouble was in a mission I had to build 3 mastaba while dealing with exports to fit some deadline quota. Idk rly.

>>717123661
Are they planning on music, voices, animation?
The historical attention to detail is nice but you do need a bit of life to sell the thing.

>>717125428
are
are you implying black people made car cities? what? reactoids are retarded

>>717123661
I'll play it, I like when niche civs get games.

>>717126150
loved those games like Rome or Pharaoh
played them over and over again until you had to fight with units

game's magic was just gone when it gets to military

>>717126719
I wanted an image with my post. I skimmed my folder of semi-recent image acquisitions and that was in the vicinity. It's content was not my point. The text of my post was my point and it was unambiguous (no one in a suburban housing development has a 30 minute drive to the grocery store and saying that undermines the argument). You are retarded.

White flight is a significant factor but car culture is the dominant part.

>>717127218
>this whole clunky reply
indistinguishable from bots!

Thank you for admitting your retardation.

>>717127515
u wan sum food fatboy? betta drive fast!

>>717119346 (OP)
>Service buildings with a circular area of effect
One of the worst tropes in the genre, I want to build a city, not play a gimmicky puzzle game.

>>717120886
>implying
Corn syrup = get in the pod.
Walkable cities = pod people
I won't drink the corn syrup
I won't get in the pod
I won't live in a city
Blacks, browns, and jews will never live around me

>>717127798
that's how real services opperate as well

>>717123312
Loved ATS back in the day. Never got into the DLC but maybe I'll go back. It's more of a settlement and resource control strategy than city planning, but I like that the design adds to the litteral flow of good to the city through street avenues and building locations to materials.

>>717119346 (OP)
>max speed slop

>>717119346 (OP)
>Sink 15 hours
>"Look at how beautiful my city is. She's perfect. No need to expand her further"
>Stop playing

>>717127798
It actually is a little baffling that this hasn't been done better. How about this:
>effect of service has value from zero to maximum
>full effect from building within a reasonable radius
>reduced effect within a larger radius
>only falls to zero after a very large radius
>buildings outside of the primary radius of any service building receive an accumulated benefit from the larger radius of multiple buildings, quickly adding up to maximum even if not within any full effect radius
Result is players still need to keep in mind having the services spread through the city but you don't end up with any stupid voids for not having perfect placement.

>>717119346 (OP)
are there any good city builder with combat?

I'm White so yes. It's genetic.

>>717119346 (OP)
No, they feel like work.

>>717128248
Sounds way better.

>>717128248
Nah an area that's on the edge of 3 hospitals isn't doing jackshit if they all take 30 minutes to get to someone bleeding out. Stacking their outer radius doesn't reduce the time to get there to 10 minutes

>>717127823
>Walkable cities = pod people
you have it all backward, anon.

are there any city builders where you build multiple settlements and they interact (e.g. trade or w/e)? all that comes to mind is citiesXL/XXL/whatever and OpenTTD (which is not really a city builder).

>>717119346 (OP)
I like them but I'm fucking terrible at them

>>717121293
Probably because ZOG is working hard to bring such hellscapes to the entire world and we don't like it.

>>717128790
this is what utopia looks like
god it's so perfect

>>717120886
Public transit would be ok if they were more expensive. The issue right now is there's too many undesirables on public transit so the bus/train always smells like a zoo and you have people talking on the phone constantly and homeless people leaving food waste all over the place.

>>717126023
>how do you do fellow white person
>we, the federal government have marked your neighborhood as uninsureable because one (1) black person lives there
>here is our friend, a real estate agent
>he is going to buy your home for way under the market rate in order to rent it out to a brown family at way above market rate, because you are just so scared of black people, amirite?
>also your property value cratered because we scribbled over your neighborhood with a red marker on a map somewhere
>but anyway
>here's a soulless suburb, enjoy your generational wealth

>>717128782
Real cities have lesser versions of the main buildings sprinkled between them. "Urgent care." You could make a case for the main building as a core requirement for the service in its radius and smaller buildings with their own radius bring the reduced effect areas up to full. Or you could just accept that the smaller buildings are part of the automatic zone development and that they just exist without the player making them.

>>717128921
that's the central pillar of Anno games

>>717128782
flesh out the math a bit more then. arrival time equals 0.9 to the power of number of hospitals and add in the distance in some way

>>717128782
>Nah an area that's on the edge of 3 hospitals isn't doing jackshit if they all take 30 minutes to get to someone bleeding out.
30 minutes? Could be worse, my family lives in a region where it takes 1 hour to reach the nearest hospital, somehow this country I'm referecing is still considered 1st world.

>>717127515
Very distinguishable from bots who just repeat the same short posts with minor variations.

>>717123661
Unless it has music, ambience, voices, and a much more colorful palette than what you're showing with that washed-out picture then I am not interested. What made the IG games like Zeus and Pharaoh so memorable were their charm with the music, the dialogue especially all the flavor voice clips form the walkers, all of the casual animations with the buildings and walkers, etc.

I am already so fatigued with all these indie city-builders that are so damn quiet and lifeless. I tried Nebuchadnezzar ages ago and it was miserable.

>>717119346 (OP)
i used to but i played too many and now all the resource management sims feel the same. also there aren't any good new city builders, cs2 still sucks. really wish another company would make a city building game.

>>717129107
You see the homeless population who clearly needs help and your solution is just to make basic shit more expensive so they're out of sight out of mind? My god man. You're brainwashed. Maybe if these giant landlords weren't hoarding empty homes, maybe if those massive police and military budgets were spend on rehab programs and social workers instead of jets that break down, there wouldn't be smelly hobos in your line of sight, but instead healthy members of society.

>>717129278
Uploading completely unrelated images and them offer long winded apologies is peak bot behavior

>>717127798
Anno 1800 improved this a lot by mak8ng services adhere to roads instead of just in a circle, with stone roads traveling further.

Except for specialist buildings for some retarded reason fucking shit. At least they are doing away with specialists in 117

>>717129652
Specialists broke everything about production chains in 1800, it was such a retarded design choice.

>>717128782
That's still far better than having an arbitrary threshold where one tile benefits and the one next to it doesn't. Yes, there has to be some cutoff but not to where subtly misplacing the buildings creates small holes of zero coverage in the middle of a near-enough continuous grid of services. And especially with CIRCULAR areas - as was the original - point creating pic related.

>>717128492
Is the sequel fun?

>>717129646
>Uploading completely unrelated images and them offer long winded apologies is peak bot behavior
Designed to accomplish what?

>>717128790
>he lives in a city
lmaoing@urlife.fag

>>717130101
No.

>>717128248
I think a better idea would be to designate what areas the building is supposed to service. Like with police precincts.
Plop down a building, click on it, and then select the streets and buildings it's responsible for. If you stretch it too thin and the ambulances/police cars/firetrucks/mail trucks/whatever spends too much time driving back and forth the service level drops. If they have to service too many people the service level drops. Budgets and policies can affect the service level.

>>717129759
Exactly this. It’s like the devs forgot that city builders are half optimization puzzle, half sandbox chill. Hard cutoff circle ranges just punish you for not min-maxing with a measuring tape. There’s nothing immersive about placing a fire station and watching the building literally next door burn down because it's one tile outside the sacred circle. Gradual falloff mechanics would solve everything-give us smoother, more realistic service coverage instead of binary nonsense that turns the game into a tile-counting exercise.

>>717130164
"Soulless" is an understatement, that looks fucking hideous.

>>717128790
:dow at 11k
>toys r us billboards
this image is from 2011, damn.

>>717128921
The trade routes autism in anno is intense

>>717129646
>your solution is just to make basic shit more expensive so they're out of sight out of mind
No, my actual solution is to reopen the asylums that were shut down for no reason and just keep all them in there. But since that would never happen because asylums have been given a bad name. So the only realistic solution is to just drive (which most people already do).

>>717130567
In the 80s, leftists supported deinstitutionalization because they thought no one should be be locked up against their will, even if they're insane, and rightwingers supported it because it cost the government a lot of taxpayer money.
A half-century of wrecked cities later and they haven't changed their minds.

>>717130472
Note the old school stand-alone GPS and early smartphone, too.

>>717130128
keep disaffected young men angry at the wrong things; obsessed about identity politics rather than class.

>>717130567
>>717130880
>dude homeless people are all crazy schizos!!!
a comfortable lie. in reality most are just normal people who had bad luck, maybe they got scammed, and continually harassed by police. capitalism requires a reserve force of unemployed to drive wages down, and homelessness the threat they dangle over us.

>>717131179
that doesn't matter. most of everyone is normal, it's a minority that fucks shit up for everyone everytime, hence it's much easier to block the whole group out.

I want a city builder with a lower level focus on aesthetics. Actually designing the buildings and parks. But it can't be full autism individually placing every wall and tree and deco piece. More like a thorough tileset that lets you rough out shapes and pick a style. Perhaps somewhat like Townscaper but deeper and with more.

>>717124564
>yfw you have all the DLCs enabled and start producing celluloid and SCOOTERS

FUCK

TOO MANY CHAINS

>>717131615
I forgot, what was the technique for this called?

>>717131179
When we colloquially talk about homeless people, we're talking about the mentally ill and addicts living on the streets and sleeping rough, not the poor people living in shelters. A poor person doesn't stink up the bus or randomly assault people; no one's avoiding public transit because of them.

>>717131852
>we're talking about the mentally ill and addicts living on the streets and sleeping rough, not the poor people living in shelters
lol

>>717123661
Play Nebuchadnezzar!

>>717120886
Most American cities are laid out in giant square mile grids. There's an endless assortment of grocery stores along the main roads on these grids. all within 5ish minutes from each other.

>>717119346 (OP)
Yes. Currently playing Emperor Rise of the Middle Kingdom and while the Feng Shui system is making my life hell, I'm having a lot of fun.

dude who owns Crate, the devs of Grim Dawn and more relevant Farthest Frontier, is living the dream
>be so good at AoE2 that you get a job at Iron Lore
>20 years later make over $1mil on your own citybuilder

>>717131943
I don't get it

>>717130101
Not him, but I played Majesty 2. It's not bereft of fun, but the game is several times harder than the original. You need an army of heroes in order to kill a single werewolf or vampire for example, and they spawn constantly. I played everything except the last expansion, and that's even harder because you're exclusively fighting heroes, who level up the longer the fight goes on.

>>717131852
every single "mentally ill smelly heckin drug addict" homeless person can and should be treated. see >>717129646

>>717127798
It should have a Zone of effect and then you can extend the zone by building roads buss stops.
You would build new ones or upgrade existing ones for every X amount of size of the city or to improve services by reducing the stress of having just one.

Pic related was really fun for the first 20ish hours. Then you learn how the game works and every run feels the same.

>dude homeless people lmao
What's this got to do with video games? Get the fuck out of here.

>>717132940
It's the same experience when I'm playing Citadelum, except I figured out the game in less than 2 hours.

>>717132834
Yes, I agree. Sadly neocons and neoliberals don't, and while MAGA types seem in favor, the democratic socialists who are poised to take over the Democratic party are even more against it, as it's one of their core voter bases.

>>717119346 (OP)
I love tech trees. There's nothing better than getting some tiny digital cavemen to rub their sloped noggins together and figure out this whole "wheel" business then next thing you know you're inventing grain silos and monotheism.

>>717133098
>MAGA types seem in favor, the democratic socialists who are poised to take over the Democratic party are even more against it,
i think you have this flipped around, anon

>>717129646
>Uploading completely unrelated images and them offer long winded apologies is peak bot behavior
The image was not unrelated and the post was not an apology. You retard.

>>717126591
Well, the game does have some music already, and some animations, but I'm not sure how many tracks it has as of now (I think it only had one last I spent a lot of time with it), and the animations are pretty limited.

Off the top of my head I don't remember if the dev told me if he plans to add more of either (or narration), but I can ask (though maybe not before the thread 404s). I think I did ask about animations for units/people but I forget what he said.

>>717129392
There's an ambient music track, as I said, but IDK how much plans there are for more, see above.

As far as the color palette, I agree it'd be nice for things to be more saturated (though I think the game is not quite AS desaturated as it is in the trailer screenshot I gave: Compare to some other uploads of the trailer and youtube videos, but it depends on your setup I'm sure), which is a convo I plan to have with him. Unsure how realistic it is to be done though, or if it'd require changing a lot of art assets beyond just some basic color correction.

If either of you do check it out or watch footage and have feedback though, email me at saintseiyasource@gmail.com and I can pass it along, though no promises it gets acted on since I'm not a dev, just someone who occasionally speaks to him and gives info about the historical stuff (and even then it's been a while since I did so frequently or played builds)

>>717132957
homeless people should be added to city builders

Always wanted to try one of these. any old/new game recommendations?

>>717133537
They already did that to Anno 1401. You can either let them in and set up homeless shelters and have them eat your food and drink your cider or they'll turn into bandits and attack your island.

I like A-Train because the idea of building infrastructure taking into account the characteristics of the city to try to develop it is much more interesting to me than painting maps with residential, commercial, and industrial zones.

>>717133630
Majesty the Fantasy Medieval Sim is the easiest of the bunch. Zeus Masters of Olympus is more accessible. There's also SimCity SnapCity if you want citybuilder to be more arcadey.

>>717133631
that sounds more like late coming settlers or refugees and not like the homeless

>>717133375
Nope, I do not. I can't even understand why you would.

>>717133764
Homeless people stop being homeless if you give them a home

>>717133764
They're literally called Beggars. They bring some housing bonuses have other citizens level up if you let the Beggars in, in exchange you have to set up more food production and cider farms.

>>717133430
>If either of you do check it out or watch footage and have feedback though, email me at saintseiyasource@gmail.com and I can pass it along, though no promises it gets acted on since I'm not a dev, just someone who occasionally speaks to him and gives info about the historical stuff (and even then it's been a while since I did so frequently or played builds)
Based

>>717133870
No they don't. Homeless people are homeless because they can't function like normal people

>>717133870
The poor ones do. The mentally ill ones do not. They wreck the house and move back out on the street.

>>717119346 (OP)
I like the *idea* of city building games

>>717133870
are they producing anything of value to """society""" or are they just leeches

>>717133870
In fact, there is a portion of the homeless population that is naturally homeless. These are people who are completely unable to adapt to modern society. You can give them a home, but after two weeks they will be back on the streets. They also tend to reject shelters.
I don't know of any country, even underdeveloped ones, where there are normal homeless people. I'm referring to people who are mentally healthy, educated, able to follow rules and interact socially, and yet are living on the streets. This only happens in situations of war, natural disasters, or total economic collapse.

>>717133967
In ye olden days you you just lynched the craziest and there weren't as many because drugs weren't a big thing yet

>>717134051
Drugs don't cause crazies, crazies cause drugs

>>717131179
i can tell you live in a nice area
the vast majority of the homeless are drug addicts and criminals who actively choose to live that lifestyle
the only people with "bad luck" are ones displaced by hurricanes or other natural disasters, and they don't stay homeless long
>>717132834
the only solution is involuntary treatment - IE, asylums. of course, neither the left nor the right can stomach the solution because its the equivalent of stuffing them away in camps, which is a dangerous societal precedent

>>717134059
Does Populous count?

>>717134040
wasn't america just recently having a surge of people getting kicked out their houses for missing one [uno] paiment? living in their cars but living normally except for taht

>>717132259
You continuing to embarrass yourself by clearly growing up in some fortunately-financially-stable household and regurgitating this laughably naive sheltered outright ignorant rhetoric you gained from what appears to be the news and popular online articles, like your entire knowledge base comes from an encyclopedia page of "homeless people".

>"poor" people are somehow different from "mentally ill" people and everybody has full control over the choice to own a home despite external factors like economy
You sound like a MENTALLY ILL trust fund baby.

>>717133098
>"mentally ill drug addicts"
>voting
u wot

>>717134230
You sound like a trust-fund kiddie who's never been on the streets, much less lived on them.
I note you've never bothered to explain your point of view, you just disagree with mine and hurl insults.

All city building games should let you move buildings for free, or a low cost.

>>717134768
>no u
lol

>>717134230
>>"poor" people are somehow different from "mentally ill" people and everybody has full control over the choice to own a home despite external factors like economy
Also that's not what I said, reread my posts.

>>717121162
I thought it was pretty good. I did use cheat engine a bit to speed up the progression, but not skip all of it.

>>717122679
AI SLOP

>>717133938
>>717133967
>>717134040
None of this shit is backed up by any data; this is entirely a vibes-founded analysis. The idea the homeless are all wild crazy destructive forces of nature that "we'd like to help but they just can't be saved sorry" is cope, it's a way to put their plight out of your bind. In reality this is not true. Any homeless advocate can tell you that; studies don't show this retarded "they will turn everything into a crack den and refuse rehab and not show up at their job" theory.

>>717123794
hey hey people

>>717134968
Still no argument.
>>717135010
Please link to said studies.

Help me find a city builder
>Grid/tile based, NOT freeform
>Medieval/ancient, nothing modern or futuristic
>No or optional combat
>Preferably stylized graphics over super realistic
>Makes you feel happy about giving citizens big upgrades to the town, if that makes sense
It used to be the Impressions games. But im sure theres newer stuff.

>>717135123
Startopia

>>717135261
I said no modern or futuristic

>>717135010
Go spend more time with them, specifically the ones that don't go to the shelters

>>717135414
So fucking picky

>>717126591
Well, the game does have some music already, and some animations, but I'm not sure how many tracks it has as of now (I think it only had one last I spent a lot of time with it), and the animations are pretty limited.

Off the top of my head I don't remember if the dev told me if he plans to add more of either (or narration), but I can ask (though maybe not before the thread 404s). I think I did ask about animations for units/people but I forget what he said.

>>717129392
There's an ambient music track, as I said, but IDK how much plans there are for more, see above.

As far as the color palette, I agree it'd be nice for things to be more saturated (though I think the game is not quite AS desaturated as it is in the trailer screenshot I gave: Compare to some other uploads of the trailer and youtube videos, but it depends on your setup I'm sure), which is a convo I plan to have with him. Unsure how realistic it is to be done though, or if it'd require changing a lot of art assets beyond just some basic color correction.

If either of you do check it out or watch footage and have feedback though, email me at saintseiyasource@gmail.com and I can pass it along, though no promises it gets acted on since I'm not a dev, just someone who occasionally speaks to him and gives info about the historical stuff (and even then it's been a while since I did so frequently or played builds)

>>717135123
consider >>717123661

>>717132038
I've heard mixed things about it desu

>>717135123
There's Citadelum, but it's not very good.

>>717131813
Wave Function Collapse or the grid stuff that's like six different techniques?

>>717135662
>Wave Function Collapse
That's the one, thanks!

>>717127798
>>717127869
Intelligent games measure effective distance by a certain distance down connected roads, not just arbitrary circle that only applies to birds.

>>717135934
intelligent anons read one more post before replying

>>717131179
You don't know shit about the homeless. I've been homeless and most of them are either crazy or drug addicts, or both. There are some that just made a mistake or got unlucky, but they don't stay homeless for long. There are plenty of services and programs to help the homeless, but most of them don't want your fucking help and you can't force them to accept it. Give them a free house and a good job and they'll ghost all of it within a week or a month. And then a significant portion of them have hardcore mental issues and good luck with that.

>>717131615
I think I know exactly what you're looking for. Islanders: New Shores.

>>717119346 (OP)
No. I don't think there's anything wrong with them mechanically, but I seem incapable of developing any emotional investment to the city I make or the inhabitants. Managing them just seems like a massive, thankless chore to me

>>717135110
NTA but the extremely specific and spurious claim that homeless people will trash housing when given housing is one of those things that is so absurd that I don't know if researchers even think to run studies on it. Try poking around the National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty and associated orgs? I don't have any authors to recommend sadly.

>>717135416
>>717136132
lol

>>717137164
You've never even met a homeless person, but you want to sit here and lecture me who spent 3 years among them. Thanks for that paper, guess I'll just forget everything I saw and learned during my firsthand experience. You stupid spoiled brat.

>>717137417
>My anecdotal negative experiences with a handful of people is more accurate than studies involving thousands of people

>>717137164
>We screened 732 participants from 22 shelters from four shelter organizations across Metro Vancouver. Our preregistered screening criteria were: age 19 to 65, homeless for less than 2 y (homelessness defined as the lack of stable housing), Canadian citizen or permanent resident, and nonsevere levels of substance use (DAST-10) (21), alcohol use (AUDIT) (22), and mental health symptoms Colorado Symptom Index (CSI) (23) based on predefined thresholds (see SI Appendix, Table S1 in SI Appendix, section 1.3.2).

>we removed the vast majority of homeless people so it solves homelessness

lol

>>717137457
I guarantee those studies self-selected for the ones who could actually be helped and wanted to be helped. I highly doubt that's a representative population at all, because the normal ones would refuse, not care, or forget about it. You need to get some real life experience before you try to lecture people who have lived it.

People who are down on their luck CAN be helped with services and such things. But they are the MINORITY of the homeless population. I know that's hard for you to imagine, because you lack empathy and the ability to see the world through the eyes of people who think very differently than yourself, but it's the truth.

>>717121616
Do yanks hate grocery stores?

>>717123661
>caesar/pharoh but for aztec cities
im sold

>>717137618
so much so that the term "food desert" had to be created to describe areas without them

>>717137417
This is an Anonymous imageboard. Anecdotes even more utterly worthless than they usually are. Btw I'm the prime minister of Ireland.

>>717137476
It's a study, those controls are there for a reason. If it's drug addiction you're concerned about, there's overwhelming proof that needle exchanges, free methadone, and socialized healthcare saves money, saves lives, and reduces addiction rates.

>>717138241
You need to stop believing everything you read, and start observing and thinking for yourself. But I guess that would be hard for you, coming from a rich family and a nice neighborhood, for whom these issues only exist in the abstract. Maybe a homeless guy asked you for money one time and now you're an expert lol

Come home white man

>>717138385
Forgot Pic

>>717119413
Anno 1800 is good for this, you can just pick built shit up and move it around if its location displeases you

>>717138241
By limiting it to people homeless for 2 years or less they removed the "career homeless" people. The type that would have just vanished into the mountains or jumped on an explorer's ship 200 years ago. These people can't be "fixed" or made to behave like the rest of society and make up the majority of homeless people. They don't want to be like you

>>717137980
Those areas exist because grocery stores in those areas get robbed too often and can't afford to stay in the area. I've seen armed police standing outside of grocery stores in diverse parts of American cities, like guards.

>>717138443
>Den*vo
>Up*ay
no, I don't think I will

>>717127823
>Walkable cities = pod people
It's absurd how captured mutts are

>>717138628
Food deserts often have more expensive (and more reasily robbed) bodegas, but not cheaper supermarkets.

>>717127218
i work for developers like lennar, meritage, kb homes, there's plenty of developments that are 30 minutes from a grocery store.

>>717130513
>being a pc gamer
>not knowing there's a button that takes a pic of the desktop
how the heck?

>>717140206
The post didn't say just "development." It said "suburban development."

>>717140719
and those developers build...suburbs

>>717140867
A development that is 30 minutes from a grocery store is not suburban, you tremendous prancing la la homo man. Stop replying.

>>717138628
those areas exist because retarded town planners didn't zone space for them to exist

>>717141003
retard

>>717141003
>not a city so not urban
>not farmland spread out over miles so not rural
>not suburban because you say so
>a mysterious fourth kind of residential area, heretofore undiscovered by mankind

>>717141003
Technically those are exurbs, but colloquially they're called suburbs.

>>717141068
lol

>>717141150
>>717141191
A gridded plot of homes with no adjacent trappings of urbanity is not fucking suburban. The homes themselves are not the suburb.

>build 100 homes in a tight blob in the middle of nowhere
>form a HoA, why not
>"Behold: a suburb!"

>>717132834
who's going to pay for the treatment? they need months or years of treatment, therapy, and counseling. they're beyond fucked and a simple clinic visit will do nothing for them.

>>717141523
You don't know what life is like in the suburbs. I promise you couldn't deal with it.

>>717142820
I had to drive fifteen minutes to get to a movie theater. OOOoooOOOOooooh.

>>717119346 (OP)
>OUR LITTLE HOUSES ARE THE PRETTIEST OF ALL!

>>717131179
>in reality most are just normal people who had bad luck, maybe they got scammed, and continually harassed by police.
Okay so you've never interacted with any homeless people in your entire life.

>>717119346 (OP)
Anno 1404 was great, after that the woke started seeping in.

>>717142894
I can walk five minutes to get to a movie theater

>>717141523
what would you call this

>>717138569
That shit was so bad, ruined the whole point of a city builder game. I get why some casuals would like it but it felt like a cheat code without marking down that I was cheating.

>>717143015
>pinned right in the center: a waterpark
lmao

>>717143015
We both know there's a bunch of commercial zoning just out of frame. Maybe a five-ten minute drive for the people deepest in.

Zztt

>>717143305
I guarantee those bridges into Fort Myers are absolutely hellish

>>717119346 (OP)
I still cannot get over how bad ck:2
Just fuck my shit up

>>717143305
>>717143412
i grew up in ft myers and cape coral is a hellhole. genuinely a terrible place to live. yes you'll probably always be within 15 mins of a grocery store but that's it. there's nothing there at all besides houses and some small businesses along a few of the main drags.

The one new city builder I want to play is stuck in uplay launcher hell has a shitzillion dlcs

>>717119346 (OP)
Anno 1404 was more cartoony than I was expecting, are the other ones just as goofy?

>>717143847
>crack solves the Uplay problem but doesn't have all the DLC
>DLC unlocker solves the DLC problem but it's still on Uplay
cursed

Is this a faintly disguised /int/ thread?

>>717144004
no

>>717141003
>>717141523
>>717143015

>>717119346 (OP)
Pic related is what I'm playing. I like to imagine it takes place in the same world as Rust, and making a safe place where you don't have to worry about maniacs shooting everyone for Low Grade Fuel and pipe shotguns.

>>717135123
The Wandering Village might be up your alley, but that one is more about the journey rather than the hard city building aspect, just like IXION

>>717135010
you delusional retard, they've destroyed many a hotel here in WA. during COVID (i think) they tried housing them in some hotels and guess what happened? the places were trashed beyond recognition. it happened at least twice

>Play Anno 1800 with New Horizons mod
>Hyper autism tier 6 production chains
>Cool new region
Now this is pod racing.

>>717137164
>giving people money for no reason
confirmed as a retard. didn't even have to read the rest of it.

>>717143736
Based and brutally honest. Cape Coral feels like someone rolled out a SimCity template and forgot to add, like, anything fun or functional. Just a maze of cul-de-sacs and canals that go nowhere. You get sunlight and Publix, that's about it. It's like living in a slightly better HOA prison.

>>717143015
florida.
and its a special type of suburban hell there. thank fuck i live in a relatively secluded flood zone (on stilts, of course)
it's a great place if you can stand the weather and enjoy water recreation, but fuck me it's one of the worst places on earth otherwise

even in the most developed of places you're getting eaten alive by insects. i got bitten by fucking bedbugs checking my mail once and ripped apart both bedrooms in a panic. they weren't in the house, i think they must've been in the mailbox or something

>>717137618
Instead of a dirty convenience store downstairs there's whole 4700 square meters palaces that are clean, cheap, and have most of what you can easily want

>>717137980
>>717141068
"Food deserts" are created when blacks drive off every grocery store in the area from shoplifting

>>717145695
i thought you yanks were the ones hating walmart the most

>>717145409
>for no reason
you do understand that lifting someone out of homelessness and into a productive member of society is something that pays for itself, right?

>>717145785
This.

>>717145847
I'm not talking about Walmart.

>>717146014
then i missread your post? are you talking about malls, aren't they dead?

>>717143305
>commercial zoning just out of frame
You can see it if you zoom in, and that's not even counting small convenience stores and dollar stores. Disingenuous horseshit from urbanists as always

>>717144575
you have no idea how bad it is until you go there. don't try to defend it. honestly not sure why you're even trying to defend it just seeing it on the map. it's a terrible place to live. there's too many houses with little else in between.

>>717146168
If city builders were actually good you'd be able to make shit like this

>>717146140
No, I'm talking about supermarkets. H-E-B. Albertsons. Safeway. Hy-Vee. Publix. Market Basket (DeMoulas). Jewel-Osco. Rouses. Fry's. Kroger. All of them have large stores, with produce, a bakery counter, a deli counter, a meat/fish counter, a drug store department with a pharmacy, often a florist, and a wide selection of dry and fresh products.

>>717146532
Exactly, most of the city builders only have an extremely limited area so you can't build anything to scale

>>717146667
At least there's this

city building games would be great if I could just watch them build themselves and have the option to push development in a certain direction but not spend the hours needed to do it.

I just want to watch the simulation run

>>717146442
The post you replied to quoted the reply chain, the context. No one is defending anything. Read, nigga. Read.

>>717146927
Quintessential nu/v/ post

>>717145535
yeah it's terrible and the people defending it here are people who've never been there and just don't want to be wrong in their online argument. cape coral is an example of an entirely suburban town with no urban centers and it is not good.

>>717147124
The strawman is full. You can't fit any more in him.

>>717143015
6 mins by car
45 mins on foot

>>717146968
they are though, read some books, it'll improve your reading comprehension.

ignore bots

>>717143015
Damn that really makes we want to live in an apartment building with 1000 other people, that would be way better haha

>>717147124
>just don't want to be wrong in their online argument
Pray tell, what do you think is the argument?

>>717144830
what gaem?

>>717147285
retard

>>717147351
bocu no pico

i liked cities skylines 1 (modded out the ass ofc) but it got impossible to keep it modded, as the constant updates and DLC rollouts broke a lot of shit

i've tried skylines 2 but its just not the same.

>>717120886
>Xe doesn't love the filthy cities and stroads
Stop being anti-Semitic RIGHT NOW

>>717143847
It's worth buying the base game and then just pirating the DLC. Great game.

>>717119346 (OP)
Yeah, I kinda do.

>>717146968
>>Read, nigga. Read.
>>717147238
>n-no you!

>>717147561
nigga u gay

>>717146868
Kino

>>717129107
Japan doesn't have this problem and public transit is extremely popular over there

>>717148073
japan is (mostly) very homo(lol)genous

>>717148073
its because they lock people up there with extreme prejudice

>>717147641
>see any anti-capitalist critique
>call it antisemitism
tourists do this desperate to stay relevant in the face of actual political analysis. crying "jews jews jews" is nothing but a distraction. bonus points on this guy including some lgbt shit with the 'xe' pronoun for no reason at all. they have you where they want you, obsessed with all the wrong things.

No more, says I. No more will I suffer gridshit.

>>717145578
ano that was a flea

>>717148128
>implying class consciousness isn't synonymous with Jew consciousness
shalom

>>717148193
nah chigger bites look different. they looked EXACTLY like bed bug bites

>>717146927
Consider Bulwark Evolution: Falconeer Chronicles

>>717148128
You'd like me to elaborate on the extensive history of social engineering perpetrated by the various institutions vying for world domination through social control?
Jew is a shorthand for the spiritual disease that affects all modern victims of our modern throw-away culture designed to lash us to the wheel of consumerism.
Jews are emblematic of this because they have a history of directly subverting cultures for financial gain and societal control--BUT for every "Jew" there are millions of complicit Whites, Browns, etc., all climbing over each other to secure what they can before it's hoarded by the global elites.

Hope this helps.

>>717148340
>well most of the people I call jews are actually not jewish... and most jews in fact aren't even doing this sort of thing or own any capital ... but i still call it jewishness because uhhh because shut up shut up you're a jew you're trying to trick meAHH

>>717148645
not every jew is a problem
but every problem has a jew involved

>>717148645
>made up schizo ending
I accept your concession, and I apologize if I made you feel foolish but you can't act so ignorant on 4chan of all places.

>>717119346 (OP)
>Do you like city building games?
I like Majesty GOLD, Dungeon Keeper 2, Zeus and Surviving Mars so yes, you could say that i like citybuilding games.

Yeah, I love city building games.

>>717148678
>>717148721
you people like to tout a facebook tier list of a hundred countries that historically expelled dajoos; where do you square the circle that these feudal societies had massive economic imbalances? kingdoms that were just white men, yet they still exploited one another? is it a magic jewish space laser that's shooting jew thoughts into throne rooms?

>>717147351
all will fall
>>717148170
sauce

>>717149010
It's weird that you read my post and paraphrased it back at me correctly, where I said Jew is shorthand, but then you pivoted to this exaggerated gish gallop.
I'll accept your concession again. (x2)

>>717149010
so what? every people has it's own problems, it doesn't need to import the problems of other peoples the second it gets slightly better.

>>717149156
Thats Foundation

>>717127823
All these anons and only this one gets it. I'll live way the fuck away from anything that can be classified as a city, have a less than ten minute commute to work or civilization in my own personal vehicle, and never set foot in one of those human hives they call a city. Might as well be a bunch of soulless ants in there.

>>717148128
Stop projecting, jews are the cause of all political issues and people are finally waking up to it. People like you do nothing but defend them.

>>717125947
It depends on what you get your population to in Banished. If you play on a large map and have around 2000-3000 people, the game's algorithm to decide who has what job and lives where is too inefficient to save you from people getting jobs that take multiple seasons for them to reach. Banished might as well be hard locked to about 500 people because any extra and you just wind up fighting the game's mechanics more than playing.

I built a city once with a couple dozen trading posts just to supply my food needs because trying to rely on farms for it was impossible, I just sold firewood and wool coats all year long. That's kind of where the game winds up eventually anyway due to the fact that iron/coal mines are limited.

>>717149156
what >>717149386 said

>want to build aesthetic city
>end up with le efficient grid
Every time

>>717131615
Foundation is very good step in this direction. It could be GOAT if they continue developing it but they’ve been pretty quiet since 1.0 release.

>>717149694
Systemic exploitation of the workers has been done throughout history by the ruling class; you cannot possibly seriously blame that on a desert tribe. This is why you actually need to read Marx, at least the Manifesto which is quite short, because it's eye opening stuff.

While I'm in this thread, has anyone played Endzone 2? I have the first one (It's 100% a Banished clone set in a post-apocalyptic world) and sometimes I think about picking up the second, but really the first is pretty barebones.

>>717133713
what game is this ?

>>717149879
Smallest possible mountain map is the way to go for Banished. Max out under 300 pop.

>>717119346 (OP)
no because they're all just autistic grids

>>717119879
Citadelum is basically Caeser III, get it cheap on a sale. I got a good bunch of hours out of it

>>717150619
I need to be able to go full circle and Banish people from my town. Families keep growing and I wind up having to stuff people in the homeless shelter so they stop fucking. Either that or do a Logan's run and just kill the oldest person in the village every time someone new is born after 300 villagers.

Either way, my point is that Banished lacks the systems to support a town over a certain size because the developer didn't plan for it. That's not to say I fault him for making a game about creating a small, stable village, just that it would've been better if he took a step back and asked "what now?" after you achieve that.

>want to build a cool city
>can't build a cool city because the game part of the game requires you to build up in a certain way

>>717123312
did they ever get rid of the starvation meta shit
it really killed it for me when I found out that all the top level players are just spending the first 2 years micromanaging food breaks for everyone

>>717121192
Timberborn has a great snadbox basis, now it just needs some kind of a game around its bones.

>>717133870
it doesn't stop them from being drug addicts, alcoholic, criminals and/or mentally ill

people always post this shit as if simply giving them a place to stay hasn't been tried
it always ended with everything being vandalized and literally stripped for valuables so they could get their next shot

>>717121616
>>717126023
no because its easier for the state to tax

>>717150357
>gommunism works
>it's totally not jew propaganda to create a heredity ruling caste without pesky money that lets people buy guns
Can't trick me, Mao.

>>717137164
>turn yourself homeless
>collect money
>stop being homeless and go back to your life
>the files now show 1 less homeless person
>"great success!"

>>717143065
You could have just enabled the option to make it cost money you know

>>717143015
a ranch fo tax and rent

>>717120886
Based and correct

>>717152034
>it always ended with everything being vandalized and literally stripped for valuables so they could get their next shot

From litterally 2 weeks ago:

https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2025/06/supportive-housing-first-homelessness-opioid-use-public-health-cost

For all I know the study could have flaws, I haven't looked into this shit like the other anon claims to have, but I've seen reports of studies about this sort of stuff pop up here and there ever few years and most of them seem to support giving housing being effective

I'm sure a decent amount of homeless people are just mentally illy druggies who don't want help, but I'm litterally probably going to be homeless in a few years due to physical disability, no employment, and lack of family who can support me, and even with all the state run support systems and disability shit I can get isn't enough for me to afford housing, so frankly I find some of the convo in this thread a bit disturbing

>>717127798
Based.

Thankfully Anno1800 fixed this a lot.

>>717150357
>>717152216
what if I hate both capitalism and communism

can't we do a system where we just make public shareholding illegal and make it so employees automatically get a amount of stocks instead, therby cucking executives but also not giving the state power

>>717153506
Gaddafi socialism? It sure worked on Libya.

>>717137980
food deserts were created by riots and basketball americans scaring away the only people who would sell them food (koreans)

>>717153506
you're basically asking for mandatory co-ops, which are not a valid endgoal because there would still be the profit motive ruining society and making bad decisions against society's interest.
the nebulous fear of 'state power', as if all governments are the identical monoliths, is something that you need to unlearn. 99% of your grievances are with this being a bourgeois state without real democracy

>>717128790
SOUL!

>>717153979
dude you're naive and retarded. both.

>just trust the government they want what's best for you
lmao

>Cities Skylines runs like shit and the traffic is retarded even with mods
>Banished is barebones because it was the first of the "colonyslop" boom
>Simcity 2013 is actually OK but the 1 tile city shit is retarded and the game is just bugged from the outset so its impossible to max out a city in it
>Dwarf Fortress is ded after 15 years of no meaningful updates
>Oxygen Not Included keeps catering their updates to the 1% of endgame sweaties and not fixing the actual issues with the game.
>Rimworld is a highly overrated idle game.
>CS2 is just the first game but you have to buy it again and its missing features
>101 Caeser/Pharoah clones on Steam but they're all missing 1 or 2 features that the originals had
>mountains of extremely niche indieslop like Timberborn and Foundation that had the potential to be good but always have some huge glaring issue that makes them not worth the money
>mountains of other ones that rely on some meme gimmick like Frostpunk (wow its cold! pls pay $50)

It sucks man.
10 years ago I dreamed of there being more city/colony builder games on Steam.
Now there are 1000s and they're all just really shit.

I really liked Airborne Kingdom but it runs like ass and eventually just turns into fetch quest simulator.

>>717154236
*rolls eyes*
yes anon all forms of organizing society are actually the same. don't read theory, don't ask questions, just drink your corn syrup and remember you live at the end of history.

>>717154294
Yeah, I'm sure your theoretical government that you read about will be totally different than every other government that ever existed. You'll just scan people at the door to see if they're greedy or selfish and nobody will ever abuse the system or use their power for their own benefit. It'll be different this time, because that's what it said in your book.

you're very clever

>*action*
Faggot

>absolutely fucking love W&R during EA
>closing in on release, every update added more autistic tedium
>now have lost all interest in playing it

"Just turn off the features!" dude no

>>717135123
Anno 1404 is late medieval/early renaissance era, there's no combat if you disable corsairs and AI opponents (or play with/against easy ones that don't fight you unless you go out of your way to provoke them. Artstyle still looks cozy and holds up to this day IMO.

>>717154772
gridslop

Kill me

>>717154910
Grids are fun.

>>717154995
Is that 1404? They don't look efficient to me.

>>717154360
>Hurr you think your system has no flaws and is watertight against corruption
Nobody said this Anon, but when you weigh the basic tenants of both system it's clear that capitalism inherently trends toward corruption. Ask yourself when the last time you saw an American president go on an anti-corruption campaign and actually enacted anything to disrrupt corrupt actors.

>>717143847
Having all the DLC is just too much, like the game never ends it just gives you more and more to do

It's fine without it

>>717154910
The guy I responded to specifically asked for grids.

>>717119346 (OP)
Used to. Now I need for something else to be going on or I'll just quit after setting up a small town

>>717155050
Modded 1404, I'm happy they got rid of radius areas for 1800. There's no reason why a farm can't be long.

>>717121293
>neither europe nor america mentioned
telling on yourself lil bro

I sincerely miss when Workers & Resources was still fun.

>>717155558
What mods are there for 1404? I'm only using the unofficial patch

>>717154259
>Simcity 2013 is actually OK
lolmao

>>717155760
Is it not anymore? I haven't played in a long time

>>717155197
He asked for snap-to-grid building. You posted (and got made fun of for) building an ugly meta-grid of roads.

>>717121063
> they are billions
> frostpunk
> anno has riots and wars

Civ 5, while not a city builder, has wars, nukes and riots too.

>>717123661
>t. Mesoamerican history infodumper
Keep up the good work lad.

>>717155960
They added so much dumb shit to it.

>>717156092
He asked for ">Grid/tile based, NOT freeform", Anno 1404 is grid/tile based and the screenshot I included is clearly not a minmaxed meta city if you've ever played the game.

>>717119346 (OP)
Every single one that looks interesting is another fucking Banished clone.
HMMMMM nothing like unnecessary resource grinding to pad out the fucking gameplay.
ALMOST LIKE THERE WAS A REASON BANISHED WASN'T FINISHED.

>>717155789
No "real" mod, I just downloaded the RDA explorer for anno games and edited the game files directly. Mainly just changing noria supply and farm radius size. Also using custom maps, because I hate dealing with fertilities.

>>717156261
"Meta-grid" meaning a larger grid (roads) over the small grid (snap-to placement), not an emergent definitive strategy. "Meta-" as a prefix has a meaning. Come on, dude.

>>717156918
shit is there a map editor for 1800

>>717156918
you didn't beat the game

>>717123661
because you specifically suggested it, now I won't and will tell everyone it's gay

>>717156918
Can you make custom scenarios in that? I really love some of them like Barren Lands and Noblesse Oblige that have a combination of weird constraints and no time limit/pressure, but I've already beaten those.

>>717157018
There's a map editor for 2070+, but 1404 is the only have to have an actual map creator it seems.
>https://www.nexusmods.com/anno1800/mods/393

>>717157154
I don't care, I want to play slowly and make a beautiful city, not be on edge about resources.

>>717157381
Yes, either in the regular world editor or it's ToolOne, but I don't know for custom scenarios in later games.

>>717121616
I never understood what's wrong with it.
Why would I not want to live there, exactly?

>>717127823
>Blacks, browns, and jews will never live around me

>>717157797
They don't belong in a high trust society anon

>>717157890
No one doubts that. Pic rel is trying not to laugh at your impossible standard of living.

>>717157731
Arguments against Suburbia are usually
>copypasted rows of identical houses, usually in artificial grids with little integration with nature
>located in completely artificial environments, the picture used looks like its literally in a desert
>no mixed zoning, few if any nearby businesses and recreational activities
>over reliance on cars, nothing is within walking distance

>>717119346 (OP)
Yes

>>717158026
I have never seen a black, brown, or jewish person within 100 miles of my home. It's almost to the point where I don't think they actually exist.

>>717158260
I'll never understand why automobiles scare yuropoors so much.

>>717158447
We don't understand why you glorify spending over an hour on some 8 lane monstrosity freeway just to get to work, or how you can't send your kids on simple errands to buy some milk because the closest store is 15+ minutes away by car.

>>717153979
>because there would still be the profit motive ruining society

To a way, way lesser extent if there were no shareholders who weren't also workers who had an incentive to run the business in a way which benefited themselves as a labor force and the long term interest of the company instead of being able to just profit off of it in the short term to then sell shit before it crashes and is run into the dirt

>>717122404
>Farthest Frontier
>oooohhh why can't put bridges in the game thats too hard oooooohhh

>>717158625
>freeway scary
>roads scary
>firewater drinking metal dragon scary
>not being surrounded by security cameras and commie blocks scary
>trees scary
So you're scared of rural areas, woodlands, and the metal dragons. Gotcha.

>>717158625
>cor blimey me mum an gran toiled fer lord burton en ahm proud to be serfin' roight besides me da's grave
How utterly pathetic you peons are. No wonder you don't go to college.

>>717158720
oh. hold up they are actually adding bridges now. wow.

I love SimCity 3000 and Anno 1602.
I also played a lot of SimCity 4 + NAM but I haven't touched it since I switched to Linux some years ago.

>anno 1800 still $90 after 6 years
>assloads of dlc on top
get fucked ubisoft

>>717130513
dude NAME YOUR ROUTES

>>717158819
>go to college
Glorified nigger zoo's and woman daycare.

>>717143847
>wahhh theres dlc
over 6 years of updates yeah. its all free btw

>>717119346 (OP)
Yes because I HEIL HITLER!!!

>>717140508
Phone posters be that silly sometimes.

>>717158260
>>copypasted rows of identical houses
Why should I care if my house looks like the one Joe next to me has?
>>usually in artificial grids with little integration with nature
Don't care.
>>located in completely artificial environments
This is bad because?
>>the picture used looks like its literally in a desert
If I can (or want to) live in a desert, why is that bad?
>>no mixed zoning, few if any nearby businesses
Which attract the usual demographic of being loud and obnoxious at late hours. Not to mention the trash they leave behind.
>>and recreational activities
I live in a crowded city and for these things I still have to ride the bus or the train. I'd choose a car with open and wide roads for that, if I could.
>>over reliance on cars
Which aren't even expensive if you have an average job.
>>nothing is within walking distance
What exactly do I want in walking distance?

Pic rel is what a lot of German smaller towns or suburbs look like.
Spoiler: There is also jackshit in walking distance.

>>717158447
They don't. Unfortunately the ruling parties want to make it look like "the people want more public transportation" to push green agendas when in reality every other person avoids it due to them being full of migrants.

No sane person prefers a bus at 5 pm being filled with indians and syrians when they could ride back home in their own vehicle with AC and peaceful solitude.

>>717159060
Ah, I understand why you're afraid of the countryside. You can't afford land.

>>717158735
>>717158819
>the only alternative to suburbia is a police state with commieblocks
What if I told you... That from the twisted mind of Jordan Peele... In a world filled with sick people there was another way, a way of houses that look different from their neighbor's house, are not only located near nature but are integrated with it instead of being built in a flat desert. That's not the worst part however... These things can be built near both businesses and workplaces, allowing people to use their car but also walk or ride a bike through a shortcut through a scenic forest.

>>717120053
Sounds like you're a boomer who hates learning. It's ok, your brain just isn't good at it.

>>717157731
It's a golem plantation and you need a car to do anything once you step outside the house.

>>717155558
>all that wasted space
Bro your income...

>>717159158
My ranch is larger than that entire community. I think yuros don't understand what the concept of "America" really is. You see pictures and just assume the totality of the country is like that, you have no sense of scale. I'm going to just say that's Sweden or some other faggot nordic country and use the stång as land measurement.

I live on 300 stång. That's my land. No neighbors, no nothing, just my land. I have a large pond and a river. There's woodland. I can do whatever the fuck I want and there isn't a desert within however the fuck many 2500 miles are in stång.

>>717131179
capitalism requires productive golems so that rich fags can fuck each other on yachts and launder money 24/7 but having a group of "subhumans" to shit on is also a bonus
>I may be a cashier but at least I'm not a meth addicted hobo
>I may be an office drone but at least I'm not a cashier
and so on

>>717158625
You cant send your kid out on errands in europe either because you put the kid at risk of being attacked or raped by sandniggers. You probably could like 50 years ago but things aren't the same anymore.

>>717134005
is pic rel producing anything in society aside from getting prostitutes pregnant?

>>717126096
YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON FUNDING! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!

>>717134269
meanwhile in modern games: you throw a dynamite stick inside a wooden shack in RDR2, it explodes and nothing happens

>>717126001
>>717126001
>>Age of Empires
>2025
>nobody is playing Diplomacy maps on AoE2 with bros online that isn't just a straight Random Map style military rush
>map is usually custom and people have specific civs or all the same civ
>The maps sometimes feel smaller than they are so you can only place so many buildings, thus creating your city and country

I genuinely play AoE 2 bot matches just to play a city builder with with military. I usually try to play with at least 1 CPU ally so I also have a reason to send military to aid an area and keep trade routes safe.

>>717143015
Urban sprawl: the city?

>>717119413

thats realistic, cities don't plop themselves down perfectly the first time. Things change over the years and an organic looking city requires mistakes.

>>717121616
Is that.... PEOPLE LIVING IN THEIR OWN HOMES INSTEAD OF BEING CRAMMED IN TO APARTMENTS WITH NO PERSONAL TRANSPORT AND BEING DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT TRANSPORT TO LITERALLY GO ANYWHERE?

AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>717159751
you're literally forced to live in a slave plantation and access to anything is severely limited and requires driving and wasting your time in traffic

>>717119346 (OP)
I like ADOLF HITLER

>>717154236
>just trust the government they want what's best for you
by the people for the people? absolutely
rich faggots should be kept far away from politics and career politicians should not exist
anyone found guilty of lobbying should be given the death penalty

>>717159795
k, still better than living wall to wall against a stranger, or not being able to camp whenever I want

>>717123794
Man, I'm getting too old to start new games with steep learning curves

>>717159913
Nigger I live in a solid brick house. Your cardboard "house" has walls that are so thin you might as well be living in a tent with your neighbor and the niggers on the street. Same level of sound isolation.

My absolute favourite was Knights and Merchants - the resource and material loop was really satisfying, except everything was geared towards building armies to destroy the enemy players, and the enemy players always started with a huge army and you get nothing at the beginning, and then you always ended up getting absolutely swarmed before you ended up with any reasonable force in a skirmish match because they'd had the entire match to build up an even bigger army

>>717148829
please tell me more about this screenshot anon

>>717138443
I hate myself for it but Im thinking of preordering it. why does it have to be published by ubishit

>>717159913
>k, still better than living wall to wall against a stranger
It takes zero effort to go and meet the neighbours you antisocial nigger

>>717123661
Kek you still alive?

>>717151806
Elaborate please? How does that work?

>>717151806
just don't be a sweaty fag and its fine, nerd.

Regarding the exact opposite of no conflict city builders, that is games where your objective is building a medieval city so it's functional against extremely large waves of enemies, Diplomacy is not an option is still the only valid choice right?
I remember that Zeus and Pharaoh technically had combat and enemy waves as well but I'd rather forget about those

>>717123661
Based, good to see you're still around

>>717126150
Unit combat was a mistake. Every map just has this cluster fuck corner where 50 enemies stacked into one tile and mauaudwred around aimlessly under arrow fire

>>717159347
That's cool and all but a completely pointless comparison.

>>717119346 (OP)
Yes, but only in short bursts, I lose interest once it gets into logistics death territory, which is damn near fucking every city builder ever.
Except that one roguelike, but I don't wanna shill so find it yourself.

>>717161183
>Except that one roguelike, but I don't wanna shill so find it yourself.
Yes, I like Against the Storm as well.

Yes, provided the game is relatively chill and has many smaller objectives to work towards. Basically, Tropico.

>>717161110
Except is isn't.
>lmao mutts live in deserts
>I don't
>lmao mutts live in suburbs
>I don't
>lmao mutts can't walk into the woods
>I can
>lmao mutts can't go swimming in nature
>I can
>lmao mutts don't live in pods
Damn, got me on that last one. I'm not going to trade my land to live in a bumblefuck hobbit hole in Fagurcok Norway or a concrete hab-block in the Sharia State known as Engelstan.
>lmao you have to have a car
Oh, snap, you got me, I have to drive my car with the radio turned up to eleven and the windows down to do whatever it was I was going to do. Shit.

Lemme turn it up so I don't have to listen to yuropoors bitching about my carbon emissions anymore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFpp9b-O_JU

>>717119346 (OP)
Yes but only objective focused ones not sandbox ones.

>>717161502
dunno what shit you're butthurt about, but this post makes it seem like you're a real fucking loser.

>>717161502
I'll make it simple for you:
>suburbia is bad for these reasons
>YEAH WELL I DON'T LIVE IN SUBURBIA SO THOSE REASONS DON'T APPLY TO ME
Can you now see why that still leaves suburbia being bad?

>>717161651
Don't care, not my problem. I'm just bored with yuros trotting out the same shit over and over and felt like educating you twats about how shit actually is over in my part of the world. All other parts of the world are pretty much irrelevant and gay. I don't live in suburbia, suburbs are gay. I don't live in a city, cities are even gayer.

Only retards and poor people live in cities.
>>717161628
lmao projecting much Skarzar or whatever the fuck? Here's your last (you), spend it well, maybe you can get a carbon tax credit for the 30 gallons of diesel I'm gonna buy later today.

>>717161768
>Don't care, not my problem. I'm just bored with yuros trotting out the same shit over and over and felt like educating you twats about how shit actually is over in my part of the world. All other parts of the world are pretty much irrelevant and gay. I don't live in suburbia, suburbs are gay. I don't live in a city, cities are even gayer.
I never said anything about the rest of the US, I only talked shit about suburbia which you don't seem to like either.

>>717119346 (OP)
>thought this might be a comfy citybuilder thread
>it's actually brown americans and brown euros shitflinging about nations they shouldn't even be living in
brown genocide when?

>>717119346 (OP)
can't wait for anno 117, gonna preorder the deluxe version

>>717160403
R-18 City builder/monster girl capture and training game by a 4chan dev that's currently in development. I'd tell you to look it up, but it got shadowbanned on itch due to the visa fallout so here's the link https://erodungeons.itch.io/ero-hunters

>>717161889
>preordering ubisoft
that makes me sad anon.

>>717146168
the linchpin of the urbanism case is that these car-dependent, artificially low density suburbs are financially insolvent because of how inefficiently utilities like roads and plumbing lines are utilized. this is the most biased source because this guy basically breathes urbanism but it's the best summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI&t=203s&pp=ygUQc3VidXJicyBiYW5rcnVwdA%3D%3D

also cars are just stupid expensive and kids, the disabled, and old are shit on luck when you have to drive everywhere, it's just retarded

>>717161909
thanks anon but now I'm mad it's a coomer game

>>717159141
I own my house and and several lots.
Fuck em urban poors.

>>717121616
What is bad in this image exactly? Looks like a great place to live

>>717133938
This is what brain on capitalist propaganda believes.

songs of syx is my addiction, rarely found a citybuilder that can entertain me for 60+ hours in a single city, only problem is that race segregation is still broken so you see the hate crime notificcation constantly pop up when a tilapi decides to sit on a bank in a human neigborhood

>>717143015
QR code?

>>717135110
>ask for data and FACTS
>immediately attempt to prove said data is not viable

As always with you neolibs. God I wish you kept to your America and not be spreading your barbarism to the rest of the world.

>>717163040
That looks neat, no doubt, but how the fuck are you supposed to defend it?

>>717153506
You just described market socialism. I know the word may be cursed for you, but welcome to the family.

>>717163040
That's gonna be a fucking no from me, pal.

Why do devs insist on ruining perfectly good games?

>>717162936
Shelters exist for homeless people, many just prioritize continuing drug use over food and shelter.

Play Knights and Merchants.

>>717163040
>isekai town

>>717163498
This looks like piss.

>>717150357
Chuds always mispronounce 'capitalists' as 'jews'. Recently the also blame other minorities and 'woke' for their opression.

Play Augustus, Caesar 3 opensource port

>>717163167
with an army duh

>>717163345
lol filtered
jokes aside review was kinda hit the nail for the last two patches, needing to alocate 2/3 of your population inside silicon valey tier tech labs so you can unlock how to shit in toilets faster was neither fun nor imersive

now its way better and there are actual difficulty setting so you don't have to mess with the files anymore to nerf the most outrageous modifyers

>>717149883
Is it stable yet?

>>717163707
So are you telling me the game is still like that review describes it, or has the dev removed the bullshit?

>>717119346 (OP)
Nah I got into grand strategy games first and now I see city-builders as a step down

>>717119675
Holy based

>>717119346 (OP)
Anno 1404 is such a soulful game.
I love it.

>>717119346 (OP)
I love Anno 1404. Setting up the orient-occident trade routes was always maximum kino. I should replay it sometime soon

>>717163671
Sierra games are ruined when you understand how they work mechanically, the walker system is just bad IMO and while I can't speak for the other ones as much Caesar 3 also really suffers from a massive discrepancy of results if you use the same optimized grid over and over again versus trying different layouts. It's almost like the game requires you to minmax.

>>717119346 (OP)
I like Anno 1602

>>717150505
>retarded names
>miasma

Looks like Dwarf Fortress

farthest frontier is cool but takes forever to come out of early access

>>717164147
its historicaly accurate tho, real rome also copy pasted its town layouts over and over again in its imperial periode

>>717164423
That may be but games are meant to be fun and personally it isn't enjoyable to spam the same grids over and over and over and over and over again.

>>717119346 (OP)
yes but only if there is some kind of threat in it or rival cities. like the anno games. pure city builders like foundation get boring quickly

>>717163973
there is the stable build which is quite easy, the two beta builds after where unbalanced trash and the latest build I say is pretty good

play the demo if you are unsure, its litteraly just one version before the latest stable build and should have 90% of all the features that are in now

>>717128248
Radius more like gaydius.
A feeble-minded abstraction.
An incident happens somewhere in the city (Be it a crime, or just garbage piling up)
The closest service building should try to respond, whether it is right around the corner, or twenty miles away.
And if it is the latter, they will most likely fail to stop the crime, or spend so much time picking up trash that it will begin piling up in other areas.

But if you build your police station right next to a fast highway, if major roads around your city have special service lanes acting as shortcuts for service vehicles, then even if its WAY out of some arbitrary radius there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be able to service the areas it can reach in reasonable time using you well-planned infrastructure.
And the opposite is true. If your infrastructure is a jammed clusterfuck without any thought, hierarchy to it, you would either have to spend all your income on new service buildings or stop being such a retard.

This works for everything, not just incidents. For example, you build a park. If it's the only park in the whole city - people from all over will come to it just to get some fresh air. This will put additional strain on your infrastructure (they will have to use cars or public transport) and won't be as efficient at reducing their stress accumulated by living in a large city, especially if they have to spend hour+ of their free time in a traffic jam just to get to the fucking place.
But if there is a well-developed metro system that can get them there in about half an hour or so, it will be pretty efficient.
Judging by my very own self here, my life improved considerably when I realized that there is a population of wild elks just a short 30 min subway ride away from my place

This time and distance model is a lot more elegant, nuanced and realistic. It lets you be creative and rewards consideration.

>>717127823
I agree except the point about walkable cities.
Wtf is up with you retards? You think car centric cities are le TRVE HYPERBOREAN LEGACY or some retarded shit?

Thread still up, nice. Is there any small scale city(more like town or village) building similar to Banished?

>>717167005
Supposedly Farthest Frontier. I'm pirating it right now.

>>717167005
foundation

>>717163498
For those who think Settlers is too high-paced

what do y'all think of The Bustling World, I think the city building is looking really promising thus far.
I just it's gonna be able to keep it quite small, like >>717167005 said, I don't want it to only be a gigantic huge bustling city

Anno 1404 bros, I can't bring myself to enjoy the nobleman stage or even the late patrician stage. The production chains are not as enjoyable and that's when you hit the "production not high enough>overscale all your new production buildings>spam new settlements to increase revenue to afford new production builds" cycle.

>>717169769
I thought The Bustling World was supposed to be a chinese medieval grand theft auto(grand theft rickshaw?)

>>717170287
Isn't that inevitably the case for all city builders? That you hit a point where all you can really do is expand production horizontally rather than unlocking new tech. I also prefer the early game, but the late game doesn't bore me

>>717170580
you can also work with property and customise a bunch, it has the tag "city builder"

>>717121192
>>717151928
I love Timberborn i love that you have to build scaffording first.

Haven't played many, and the last one i played was Zeus Master of Olympus (i loved it) but i wishlisted this. It seems cool

>>717170890
Yeah, I guess you're right. I just don't enjoy that cycle of expanding production horizontally. It just feels like you're adding more soulless grids to maximize tax revenue and production space efficiency. Anno 1404 is pretty unforgiving when it comes to suboptimal layouts. I haven't played in a while but when I last did I either did challenges with restrictions (no occidental islands, just oriental ones) or I deliberately tried to build inefficient, aesthetically pleasing stuff with mixed industrial and residential zoning.

>>717119346 (OP)
>still no city builder where you have to manage a town next to a dungeon in a medfan setting with magic and shit
I just want a Tristram simulator.

>>717119346 (OP)
Yeah, looking forward to the new anno game, looks like they put a lot of work in the war system.

>>717171490
I've never looked up a guide or anything for Anno, but I completed the 10k orient and occident population achievement, so I wouldn't say it's unforgiving. Sure, you're meant to build efficiently and not aesthetically, but I can't see how you'd even balance a game where efficiency doesn't matter. Seeing a small town grow to a large city is still pleasing, even past the point where new tech will bring large changes. Though I also value having a set goal, as it will inevitably get dull to just grow forever past that point. Maybe it's the objectives that's lacking, rather than the progression, if you frequently find yourself growing bored with your play sessions

>>717171589
There's Dungeons 4 where you're the evil overlord who builds his dungeon against invading heroes. You can build up your own army of monsters and pillage villages at the surface like an RTS.

>>717129754
That specialist who pretty much printed free money by making a shitload of heavy weapons was really broken as fuck.

>>717171589
MiA/DanMachi type citybuilder where you have to build and manage a city around some ancient dungeon/abyss full of treasures.

>>717119346 (OP)
yes

Perfect

>>717171845
The orient is a lot more forgiving IMO because they have fewer production chains and fewer needs, it takes a long time before you can build or even need a mosque and then envoys only need a bathhouse IIRC, for occidental residents you need church right away, then a pub, then a church, debtors prison and I think they have way more consumption needs as well.
>Maybe it's the objectives that's lacking, rather than the progression, if you frequently find yourself growing bored with your play sessions
I think you're right. I love the early stages of the Barren Lands scenario, because it's pretty challenging and there's always something to do. Resources are scarce (but you're in no real time constraint either) so you need to carefully plan (and intentionally scale back) city expansion to unlock new tiers, there's always a bunch of towers or enemy buildings to destroy, quests are very rewarding to do - but the scenario completely falls apart once you've pacified the region and it turns into a logistics simulator where you just build a warehouse on every island and set up passive trading so you can feed your main island.

>>717154981
That's not even the worst one in the game.

Saw this post-apocalyptic citybuilder Endzone (and its sequel), anyone played it/them?

>>717159751
who do you think pays for the roads to be built retard?

>>717120886
The anti car people always say this shit but I've never seen an american suburb that didn't have a grocery store within like 5-10 minutes. You could walk to one in most suburbs I've been to it's just more convenient to drive.

>>717122404
Love FF. I already have 1000 in it

>>717173607
What does it do differently from Banished?

>>717127798
>his service buildings don't have pigeon delivery in the year of our lord 1404

>>717127798
I liked how cities: skylines did this for buildings like fire departments and clinics, where their effectiveness depends on their surrounding road network, but then you have more than enough other buildings with stupid circles.

i like tropico

>>717174858
It always felt like the more complete city-builder to me, since you can run a tank on the enemy presidente.

Many years ago I got the Anno 1404 collectors edition, it was in a wooden treasure chest with an art book, compass and almond seeds.

Would enjoy the other games? With 1404 all I really remember is waiting around for stuff to happen.

>>717175505
I hated all Tropico games because the traffic system in all these games are nonsensical.

>>717119346 (OP)
Yes, but only good ones, like SimCity 2013.

>>717174858
I haven't played one since 3, but I loved them when I was younger. I'm just not sure if I should get back in with 4, 5, or 6.

>>717132695
did you play it with fps above 60? for some fucking reason game difficulty is tied to frames per second and above 60 enemy respawn faster and your building take more time to build

Manor lords was pretty fun for a while, shame the updates have slowed to a crawl but that's what I deserve for trusting an early access slav

>>717119675
I don't see how some sort of sex slave management system would fit in a city builder.

>>717177220
tropico 4 is tropico 3+ with lots of new content and voice acting, its realy fun

tropico 5 is a downgrade that tried to fix the games heavily frontloaded difficulty with the era system and created a bunch of new problems instead, also it has the worst dlc implementation that I have ever seen in any game in my life with the new buildings (that they cut from development to sell extra) not even working properly and their quests getting forced on you because they take priority over other ones, legit paying extra to make the game worse

like with 3 and 4, tropico 6 build on 5's foundation and fixed a lot of the anying stuff, its actualy fun now and even gives you a decent challange because prices now fluxuate with time so you can't just build only oil rigs to finace your island, also rents actualy matter now and can be a huge source of income in lategame

the only complaint I still have is the era system still sucks, it streamlines and gates your progress too much and is in general just bad

also its highly abusable, you can stay in the first age forever by bribing the brits, there are no elections, foreigen powers and cups to worry about so you can just build endless farms to get endless income while you don't have to worry at all about your peoples needs
you can even steal a world wonder with the raid mechanic that prevents your people to die from bad healthcare( you cant build clinics in the colonial age) so your people become immortal hobos that wage slave for you forever

>>717178276
Thanks, Anon! Very informative

>>717163040
I really really like your town. It looks like a handrawn map of a DnD town or one of these maps generated by a program, which gives you tools to easily and quickly generate fantasy towns.

The only thing that's missing is a proper keep.

>>717178132
>>717119675

syx has slavetrade and an RTS/total war component, not sure what you mean with harem, there are brothels tho

>>717177905
Probably. I'm at max settings, I believe.

>>717127798
it's a casual abstraction so you don't have to plan routes for every service

>>717119346 (OP)
How’s Manor Lords

I loved workers and resources, played it a few years ago pretty heavily but stopped. Tried to get back into it recently, but just so much time spent setting shit up but I really like the earlier starts at 1930, but I also never knew you could use cheat engine to speed the game up by like 7x so I wasted so much time in my earlier playthroughs just sitting on the max speed which is crawling. This was probably the biggest city I made a few years ago, tried to make a new one a few weeks ago but I don't know just get so burnt out playing it quickly. Plus the sewage, water and waste they added it pretty annoying. I ended up just turning waste and sewage off, call me a casual but it's just such a pain in the ass to manage. Plus this game suffers from the just classic city building game flaw where your buildings have fucking NO RANGE. Oh....that building is 400m away....oh sorry that's actually too far for your citizens to ever walk so their just going to stay in their apartment unemployed and die of hunger/escape because the grocery store was 401m away and a job was 405. Plus it just gets so micro intensive, there are a lot of things you should just be able to automate but can't and people kind of think it's cool because it makes the game more "hardcore"

This was the biggest city I managed to build, it was years ago so lost all my screenshots I made it considerably bigger but lost the save and screenshots.

>>717127515
Your response would fail a bot test. His is fine.

>>717142925
this

>>717172240
first one felt tedious when I tried it but it was a while ago and I couldn't tell you specifics
never touched the second one

>>717172240
The sequel is shit just like Frostpunk2. I hope they just make DLC for the first game.

>>717180545
Just turn off the season.

Against the Storm is really fun but it's not really about making a forever city

>>717163040
Seems to me that said tilapi needs some old fashion human-administered correction

Also, that's a great looking city. I should really give that game a try