Thread 717176527

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/1mgijwx/keplerl2_xbox_xs_hardware_has_sold_less_than_30/
No wonder they're going third party.

>>717176527 (OP)
Welcome Sony, here are your future sales numbers

>>717176814
Sony derangement syndrome

>>717176814
You mean Nintendo

Damn, would be a shame if they had to heavily discount some Series S to get rid of their stock when they stop making hardware haha

>>717176527 (OP)
They’re actually turning a profit on the consoles now though since they shrunk the die and did the price hike

Microsoft as a business nowadays seems to prefer turning a profit over being at a loss with higher numbers of product moved

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That's decent. It's 5x what the Steam Deck has sold.

They should keep making normal consoles. What if the PS6 is shit, or overpriced? They could have another Xbox 360 situation that keeps the brand alive. But Satya Nutella is too obsessed with muh numbers go up and muh AI to have a reasonable long term strategy.

>>717176527 (OP)
Good riddance

>>717180871
>That's decent.
Anon, even the Xbone had hit like 40 million units after 5 years.
At this rate the XSeries won't even hit 50 million total lifetime sales.
Hell, it may not even hit 40 million total considering the current state of the economy.
They'd better hope that GTA 6 is a once-in-a-lifetime masterclass success that manages to singlehandedly boost XSS sales, otherwise they're fucked.

>>717177276
Kek Nintendo is finished. Steam and Sony won!

>>717178554
How do you make money out of something that doesn't sell?

>>717176527 (OP)
The Xbox Series consoles were engineered at a cost of 600-700 dollars production for Series X. With the Series S possibly 500 dollars. There were times were Xbox price dropped them to 150-300 dollars (infamous Christmas sale at Costco). Fast forward today and Xbox
>isn't sold in most European countries
>Walmart Canada doesn't carry it
>Costco in America doesn't even have Xbox on their online systems
>Middle East retailers don't carry it
>The EU localization branches were laid off
>8 year old Nintendo Switch 1 outsold Xbox Series in America last month NPD Circana sales
Probably a good estimate of 25-32 million consoles sold. Is this indicative of next general? We're now in a post Xbox is a third party publisher pivot, prospected customers would know now that Xbox has no desire to make exclusives. The big hailmary that Xbox diehards (paid marketers) have proposed is Xbox PC fusion. The leaked ASUS Rog Ally with an Xbox sticker costs 1,100 Euro dollars. lol. Anyone with above 10IQ recognizes that third party OEMs need to markup their products like prebuilt PCs because they don't get money from Steam/GOG/EpicStore marketplace. There's also this huge issue with online being free on PC, which means GamePass won't grow because why pay for online on console? All of Xbox issues keep snowballing out of control the more you think about it. We didn't even get a chance to talk about Microsoft cancelling Rare's games, Perfect Dark reboot, and that Fable reboot game is delayed (going into 8 year dev cycle now).

>>717176527 (OP)
Well, at least they are not lying about numbers like Sony

>>717178554
>Microsoft as a business nowadays seems to prefer turning a profit over being at a loss with higher numbers of product moved
That explains why all of their products are so shit nowadays, even compared to a decade ago when they were already shit.

>“We’re not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn’t really a great solution or win for us. I know that will upset a ton of people, but it’s just the truth of the matter. When you’re third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are and, in certain cases, have very discrete focus on doing deals and other things make being on Xbox hard as a team - that’s on us, not on anybody else - ....But we’re not in a position - and I see out there, I see commentary, that if you just build great games everything would turn around. It’s just not true that if we go off and build great games, all of the sudden you’re going to see console shares shift in some dramatic way. We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation when everybody built their digital library of games....
>I see a lot of pundits out there that kinda want to go back to the time when we all had cartridges and discs and every new generation was a clean slate and you could switch the whole share. That’s just not the world that we are in today. There’s no world where Starfield is an 11/10 and people start selling their PS5s. That’s not gonna happen.”
Phil Spencer (the CEO of Microsoft Gaming)

Why are snoys malding so much?

>>717183163
>>717183452
The Series X 2TB costs 700+ dollars. The Series X 1TB with the disc drive is 599 dollars. The Series S costs 400 dollars. I don't know why you're so mad about Sony, when its something Microsoft is doing to themselves.

>>717183341
Xbox is shit compared to what?

>>717183452
Sony is going full multiplat so they need to beat a dead horse

sexbox xD

>>717183527
There's steam coming our of your ears. lol

>>717183562
>delusional Xbox console fanboy ESL babble
How does Microsoft still have Xbox console fanboys after everything they've done to their own ecosystem?

>>717183283
We’re in the final era for Xbox.
Any hardware from this point will be rebrands like the handheld or prebuilt pcs with an Xbox logo slapped on there.
I can see Microsoft eventually discontinuing the Xbox brand leaving Gamepass as the brand for all their gaming shit

>>717183683
They're getting a lot of new ones from Playstation.

>>717183712
The Xbox Series consoles have been selling less than 100,000 units every month. IIRC it sold like 80,000 in USA in June. I doubt it'll ever sell 40 million units worldwide and I believe they quietly stopped production of Xbox Series consoles last year.

>>717176527 (OP)
Ummm, actually everything is an Xbox now. So when you include every Xbox Series S/X, PC, PS5, Switch 2, and phone sold, they've actually sold over a 1 billion Xboxes!

>>717183683
I think most of them are just shills, I imagine it's the same shill you see freaking out about Linux in random threads.

>>717176527 (OP)
Content matters, and wokeness is not only killing game studios, it's killing consoles. The best systems on the market now are 3rd-party "mod-station consoles."

>>717176527 (OP)
Honestly Xbox should try to get bought out by Valve and merge Gamepass with Steam.

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>>717183832
That's because the console is optional. But people are still using Game Pass. It got to a record 5 billion revenue recently.

>>717182993
>>717183163
But Xbox has high subscription numbers and more dlc sales than Nintendo so it's not a 100% disaster.

Series X/S feature parity is what killed their console sales after series X flopped, MS should have allowed devs to just release games on Series S as is, so they were available day one to overwhelming majority Xbox uses instead of forcing devs to spend extra time getting niche things like split screen working on Series S

>>717176527 (OP)
>believing that reddit group

Sure...

>>717183870
Prefering Xbox to Playstation isn't being a shill. It's having common sense.

Even snoys prefer Xbox to their own console. And they don't have Game Pass. Lol imagine if they did.

>>717183952
>>717183870
See? Why do Microsoft marketers keep trying to insert themselves with Steam/Valve. Gabe Newell does not give a shit about Xbox, at all. In the slightest. Not even during Windows 7/Vista Games for Windows Live era.

Valve Corp would like you to buy Steam games and/or their dedicated handheld. Period. Why do Xbox astroturfers keep trying to drag others into their mess? An Xbox PC hybrid would mean: Microsoft loses their marketplace royalty cost from game revenue and more importantly their paid online subscription is lost when PC gamers don't have to pay for online on Steam. The whole thing is so unnatural to drag Valve here. It's a very obvious desperation from the Xbox side to look relevant. Most PC gamers have too much time to play their backlog of Steam games or pirated games, why the fuck would they want to rent games? Are Xbox viral marketers fucking outsourced retarded marketing groups in India?

>>717184198
>It's having common sense.
How so?

>Even snoys prefer Xbox to their own console.
if that were true then they'd be buying Xboxes and the Xbox wouldn't be a doomed console.

>>717184198
The Playstation 5 has outsold the Xbox Series consoles by a factor of 3 to 1. The Nintendo Switch 1 has outsold the Xbox Series consoles by a factor of 10 to 1. The PS5 outsold the Xbox One family (55 million) a year ago. The Nintendo Switch 1 has outsold every modern Xbox console units sales combined (Xbox One + Series). Microsoft hires the worst Indian viral marketing shill groups.

>>717184332
>how so
Not having to spend €80 on games for one. Being allowed to use their subscription in more than one device. Actually having a subscription worth a fucking damn.

Look at what games Snoys are buying, tard. Mostly Microsoft games.

>>717184413
That's because Xbox allows you to use the service they have on PC. People are simply optiong to use it on PC or elsewhere.
Meanwhile a you have to buy a nogamesstation 5 to play their no games.

>>717184227
Microsoft and Sony fucked up and lost so hard that both now keep shilling Nintendo and Valve to the point of even partnering with both to release optimized games for their handhelds despite Nintendo and Valve now giving a shit. It's pure annoying desperation from both parties.

I'm still not renting my games, Indian sirs.

>>717184527
>Being allowed to use their subscription in more than one device
>Look at what games Snoys are buying, tard. Mostly Microsoft games.

It's only that way because XBox is a dying console, bro.

>>717184791
Better not buy any of the other consoles then.

>>717184882
The entire video gaming industry is. Games are way too expensive to produce nowadays.

>>717185101
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2487761/steam-now-explicitly-states-you-dont-own-the-digital-games-youre-buying.html
>Steam now explicitly states you don’t own the digital games you’re buying
In clear terms, Steam wants you to know that you're actually buying a "license."
Okay viral marketer. Still not buying an Xbox.

>>717185198
When you can play Bloodborne on the Xbox and when can you play Mario Wonder on Playstation? Looks to me and everyone else that Xbox is a platform dead in the water. Thanks for the games, still not buying an Xbox or renting GameSirPassDRM.

>>717185198
With more and more people playing older games of lesser graphics just to have a good volume of games to choose from, I think there'll be an eventual market adjustment where developers focus more on gameplay experience rather than on graphics. Overwatch 2 has around 50 million active users, and the last Zelda game sold over 20 million copies while Minecraft has sold 300 million copies. All three of these games focus on the gameplay experience instead of graphical realism.

>>717185445
I'm not asking you to buy shit, Snoy. In fact, you probably are spending more on full priced games than me just subscribing to Game Pass. Eat a fucking dick.

>>717185520
I wouldn't trade Game Pass for Bloodborne or Mario Kart. Lmao

>VR will be the future of gaming
Said /v/. As the VR marketplace has collapsed.
>Multiplatform will be the future of gaming
Said /v/ as Switch 2 the exclusivity platform is a success.
>Xbox PC hybrid will he future of gaming
Said /v/ as 3rd party OEM builds cost $1,000 to make PCs with an Xbox sticker.
>Renting games is the future with Ubisoft+ EA+ Microsoft SirGamePassDRM
Said /v/ as gaming subscriptions collapsed post COVID.

Listening to /v/ Indian marketing groups is a speedrun on how to lose money btw.

>>717176814
>look at the success of nintendo vs xbox
>decide to do what xbox is doing

unbelievable level of retardation from sony

>>717185609
>With more and more people playing older games of lesser graphics just to have a good volume of games to choose from, I think there'll be an eventual market adjustment where developers focus more on gameplay experience rather than on graphics.
That's more the reality of the failing PC gaming market. 4K GPUs aren't mass market adaption (less than 50% of Steam hardware survey can play at 4K). The cheapest 16GB VRAM GPU that's viable for 1080p recommended and 1440p gaming cost 450 dollars. You're drawing conclusions that aren't part of the real world pragmatism. The group of e-sports gamers don't have viable gaming PCs that can play Raytracing required games like Doom The Dark Ages. Borderlands 4 has an 8 core CPU requirement that half the Steam Hardware User survey don't have. Windows 11 has a TPM requirement for the CPU/motherboard BIOS that many on /v PC vegan/ can't afford to upgrade to.

The snoy has abandoned the thread.

>>717183562
>Sony's going full Xbox
Kek, nice cope. The future of "Xbox" is being Playstation's little BITCH.

>>717187853
Satya Nadella uses sales on PSN to keep his job, 'fraid so.

>>717187853
Then why is Sony putting their slop on Xbox now?

>>717188243
Sissy Kong? They didn't make it.

>>717178554
yet they still keep laying off people. Funny how that works. I guess people are just going to rage every time that happens, forget about it in a week and then claim victory over $70 games and act like Microsoft listen to them.

>>717188376
Not even Patapon or that golf shite published by bandai, the absolute state of Xbox beggars.

>>717188382
In the mind of the Indian Xbox fanbase, when you fire more people and cancel more games then the brand is doing exceptionally well. Rare's cancelled game, Perfect Dark Reboot cancellation, Fable not being complete and delayed, Scalebound cancelled, etc etc. There are regions in the world were the Xbox console isn't in stock because Microsoft stopped distributing in many markets due to the Xbox being an unpopular console brand.

I'm still waiting to see Bloodborne and God of War on Xbox, since the Indian marketing group SIRS keep saying Sony is multiplatform. I don't get it, do they think repeating this lie gives then one more DRM Pass Trial to rent games???

>>717182993
Crazy to think there are 40 million xbones out there. It barely deserved a hundred thousand units.

>>717176527 (OP)
Wasn't there an leaked email of Phil Spencer being excited for the Xbox Series launch where he was like "we've got sony"

>>717188973
>https://www.ign.com/articles/what-xbox-boss-phil-spencer-really-thought-of-the-ps5-reveal
>“We have a better product than Sony has, not just on hardware but equally important on the software platform and services on top of the hardware,” Spencer wrote. “We have the ingredients of a winning plan. I felt the feedback from the BoD discussion on being too confident and maybe this will just reinforce that perception, I get the need to be humbly confident but today was a good day for us.
The Switch 1 has sold 150+ million units, which is 7.5 more than the Xbox Series consoles. The Xbox One and Series consoles added up still don't outsell the Switch 1. The PS5 has outsold roughly 3 to 1 at 80 million vs Series at mid 20 million units. The Xbos Series by all accounts is an unmitigated disaster at the hardware level and software side they corroded their business with RentPassDRM so they are relying solely on third worlders renewing GamePass Rent subscriptions.

Microsoft leak confirms Phil Spencer wanted to buy Nintendo and Valve
>The Microsoft FTC leaks suggest that Xbox boss Phil Spencer was reportedly interested in acquiring Nintendo and Valve.
>That comes from a fresh round of leaks from non-redacted court documents about the US Federal Trade Commission's case against Microsoft over its deal to buy Activision Blizzard.
>In one of those documents, we see an email exchange between Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer, chief marketing officer Chris Capossela, and commercial chief marketing officer Takeshi Numoto from 2020. Loosely titled "random thought," the trio talks up the odds of pulling an ambitious acquisition of Nintendo off, which Spencer says would be "a career moment" if it came to pass.
>Less is said of Valve, though Spencer does mention the Steam storefront operator and games developer alongside Nintendo as, at that point, Microsoft had seen a full write-up on the pair and would fully support an acquisition if the chance arises.
>We also see firmer talk of ZeniMax and Warner Bros Interactive, with the former deal eventually going through.
https://www.gamesradar.com/microsoft-leak-confirms-phil-spencer-wanted-to-buy-nintendo-and-valve/ Just one more acquisition and Xbox can heal.

So, it's not worth buying a Xbox SeX in current year?

>>717185609
the real problem is that f2p games are making it so people no longer want to pay for games in the same way streaming music has made people not want to pay for music. why pay $80 for the new cod if you can play apex instead? why play $500 for a ps5 if your phone plays genshin and hsr instead?

the games that popped off this year were mostly cheap indies because they're $20-$40 instead of $70-$80. gamers don't want to pay full price for a game they'll play for 2 weeks when they can play a free game for years.

>>717176527 (OP)
MS don't care. The Trojan Horse is the service.

>>717189476
I love the story about them offering to buy Nintendo, and Nintendo execs just fell about laughing their faces for an hour straight, even inviting other staff members into the room to laugh at them too.

>>717177276
Nintendo didn't copy Microsoft

>>717183283
I find it hard to believe these numbers when I got an Xbox X for $350 at Microcenter a few Christmases ago. No one's actually paying $700, they're waiting for sales.

>>717180871
Less than the xbox one, not a suscess anon

>>717176527 (OP)
You have to include switch, nintendo and playstation sales as well though.

>>717183369
Oh Phil, He such a moron

>>717188382
>yet they still keep laying off people
Meanwhile hired 14000 H1B visa indians.

>>717191560
Also all the PC handhelds, every laptop, and every phone ever sold.
If you look at it that way, Xbox is the biggest platform ever, truly Microsoft are geniuses and definitely not desperate.

>>717191156
Like 80% of the Game Pass subscriber base is on console. What are they going to do when the next gen Xbox is >$1000?

>>717191509
That was 2 years ago. Then Costco stopped selling Xbox products completely. Check for yourself, they don't even have Xbox on their online computer systems. Dropped support. And retailers are going to be happy carrying unsold stock? The Xbox situation is not good no matter how you slice it.

>>717183369
He originally said this while trying to convince regulators to let microsoft buy actiblizz but the funny thing about this is he wasn't just saying this to appease them. He is literally paid by the pajeet ceo to be a moron the same way mattrick was so thats what he does.

>>717192074
>>717191684
>https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/redfall
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_(cancelled_video_game)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalebound (cancelled video game)
It's gaming time Phil Spencer DRMPass renting sisters.

>>717192034
>And retailers are going to be happy carrying unsold stock?
Logical conclusion is that they eventually sold out, then.
I'll be at Costco in a few days, I'll check for myself.

>>717192251
>https://www.costco.com/xbox.html
>https://www.costco.com/nintendo-brand-showcase.html
>https://www.costco.com/s?dept=All&keyword=playstation
Xbox doesn't really exist anymore at Costco little bro. hasn't for years. They removed Xbox completely from their inventory. Likewise in major markets in Europe, Middle East, and Canada retailers don't carry Xbox anymore.

>>717191939
I think they're going to slap the xbox label onto higher end PCs like they did with the ROG handheld and tell people to go buy that if they want something high end while continuing to me make cheap low end series S style consoles for gamepass.

>>717192419
$750 for a PS5? That's insane, who's buying these?

>>717192420
It's not sustainable for Xbox. Valve can subsidize their failing Steam Deck because every game sold is on THEIR marketplace. Their true return of investment is keeping the consumer locked on their marketplace. Microsoft opening the doors to Valve/EpicGameStore/GoG removes their online subscription paywall and they make no money from customers buying games.

The average Xbox user in this thread is a retard so I have to dumb it down
>Customer A buys Steam Deck. Buys Dead Space Remake on Steam.
>Customer B buys Playstation 5. Buys Dead Space Remake physical or digital.
>Customer C buys Xbox PC hybrid at $1000+. Buys Dead Space remake from EpicGameStore.
>None of these customers pay Microsoft for online access.
Do you see the problem yet? Or why prebuilt PC manufacturers sell their computers at a higher price than building yourself? The Series S is an abject failure in that it set out to make digital only renting the commonplace landscape for the game industry, what future do you envision a replacement to be?

>>717192205
Whats hilarious about this is they can't just commit to not funding games even though thats obviously the plan. No, they gotta piss away untold amounts of money on games they know they're gonna cancel at some point at the last possible moment.
When I say that I mean microsoft, I remember reading a while ago that tango getting canned came as a complete surprise to the xbox division. Also that zenimax mmo that just got canceled was loved by phil.
So phil is just going full retard as he does and then when microsoft sees xbox losing money they come in and cut and cancel at will because they're not even monitoring them outside of the income reports. Such a cluster fuck of an operation they have going over there.

>>717192946
>It's not sustainable for Xbox
Of course it isn't but this is the microsoft way. Instead of doing the obvious thing and canning the xbox division asap to save money they're going to do every retarded idea under the sun thats doomed to fail until they finally give up.
>you're a retarded xbox user
Ah yes me predicting their next move makes me a believer, that makes sense. Watch them brand PCs, they've all but said they're going to do this.

Years ago a shareholder wanted thats Microsoft sold Xbox division, guess thats he was right

>>717192956
They're genuinely retarded

>>717185905
Sony likes to pretend they have the pockets that Microsoft has and it leads them to be retarded. Microsoft can only skirt by because of their money, they don't have any creatives left.
Sony has few, Nintendo has slightly more.
Let them be free with the games, don't use extra cash chasing trends and buying shitty devs

>>717194686
>>717192956
Ballpark how much money do you think Microsoft has spent on Fable reboot alone? They would have to gain new GamePass subscriptions to even out this bizarre math they have for renting DRM.

>>717191358
>being so retarded thats nip suits laugh at you for a fucking hour

>>717194697
Sony is competing with Xbox on how much money they burn

>>717194850
400 mi

>>717195670
Concord was 250-400 million. Fable reboot is 250 million minimum.

>>717185905
Sony did do what Nintendo's doing... with the PS Portal.