Thread 717233230

Is this copium for how badly Shadows did?

Yes and no, it depends.

>>717233230 (OP)
It was never good, but good god did i want to play jade's game

>always
I played Asscreed 2 when it was still new and it was pretty fuckin good.

The first one kinda sucked but then it got better.

>>717233230 (OP)
Don't care about shadows. but 2 really shat the bed with all the schizo dan brown stuff
1 still was about the same conspiracy, but it was presented intelligently and with taste.
2 went off into "OMG THEY HIDE THE TRUTH IN PLAIN SIGHT", "EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED", "SAVE ME ANIMUSMAN" retard territory that most modern conspiracies share

>>717233230 (OP)
It was always open world normalfag shit that was just okay at best

>>717233230 (OP)
k*k

First 2 games were great. I even somewhat liked 3 and thought the whole Indian (the cool ones, not saars) theme was good.

>>717233356
1ST ONE IS THE BEST

>>717233447
>the cool ones, not saars
India hate is so forced.

For once the game journalist is right. It’s probably for the wrong reasons but Ass Creed was always AAA overstuffed, unfun slop. People were calling it overshilled and clunky even back in 2007

I liked it up until the end of AC3. I was hoping for some awesome, "trilogy" concluding ending and then... that? Fuck you. Didnt play Black Flags but people say its good swashbuckling fun

>>717233498
I will redeem the card, sire.

>>717233498
I had to turn the phone part of my phone off because I get so many scam calls

Indians stole my identity when I was desperately looking for a job and was being stupid

>>717233559
Consensus seems to be that Black Flag suffers immensely from being tied to Assassin's Creed

IT TOOK YOU NORMIES THIS FUCKING LONG????????

>>717233356
the first one was the best one because it's the one that actually focused on the assassinations
2 improved on every other aspect, but the assassinations started to suffer for it
I know I'm probably the minority in this opinion, but I was excited for historical Hitman more than the open world side quest stuff

>>717233230 (OP)
Just because this company ended up milking the game's formula ad nauseam because they went creatively bankrupt, that doesn't necessarily mean it was bad at it's time. They could have closed the series off at Revelations and there would be less negative connotations associated with it regarding industry trends.

>>717233230 (OP)
are you saying assassin's creed was ever good?

>>717233230 (OP)
>always

>>717233498
Total jeet death

>>717233498
You clearly don't have to work with them on a daily basis

>>717233748
The first one gets repetitive rather quickly

not gonna lie I really liked Origins

>>717233460
>>717233447
my favorite part about the first 1 is collecting flags so i can be allowed to assassinate a guy

>>717233230 (OP)
Yes, but these games have always been anti-Christian woke garbage

>>717233330
AC2 was full of bugs, like any Ubisoft game. So yeah, it was bad.

>>717233230 (OP)
Yes, Ass Creed 2 was hard carried by it's cool lore and high production value but the gameplay and world design were very mediocre even for its time (mogged by BamHam)

>>717233230 (OP)
Yes, 100% prepare to see an influx of pajeets spamming threads shitting on the other AC games as well.

>>717233230 (OP)
These games have been bad ever since they dropped the assassin stuff to focus on open-world action rpg slop

>>717233498
Saaaar

>>717233230 (OP)
He's right though.

>>717233230 (OP)
>people totally hated the Ezio trilogy trust us
Bullshit. AC1 was rough but fresh for its time and AC2 was beloved. AC3 was such a hotly anticipated game but unfortunately failed to meet the hype and began the series' downfall. But literally everybody loved AC2. Ezio was a gaming icon. Revisionist bastards.

>>717233230 (OP)
It was just Tomb Raider gameplay with a shitty gimmick slapped onto it.

Jade's game was always fucking garbage and I don't understand how it managed to spawn such a boring franchise. It followed the same tower-climbing monotonous trash. Sure, they "improved" the games over time but they were still boring.

It was always very repetitive and the platforming and stealth was very clunky. You do the same actions over and over and the same few solutions solve most problems, like 2's OP as fuck smoke bombs. Counters are way too strong in combat it's basically all just reaction based. Most mission are poorly disguised linear setpieces where you follow the intended path and end up on top of or behind the target. Same with the platforming "puzzles".
Just look at Batman Arkham games and compare them to Assassin's Creed. Muh epic wingsuit? It's a setpiece. In Arkham City it's a core mechanic that lets you traverse the map in a really fun and creative way and use it at any time. Assassination missions? Compare them to the stealth rooms in Asylum. Look at all of the gadget puzzles in Batman and compare them to the average puzzle in Ass Creed. Don't even get me started on the combat.

>>717234421
people liked the ezio trilogy, but the games still sucked anon. you seem to be conflating quality with public reception, which has not ever been a measurement of quality

>>717234421
Liking AC2 doesn't make it good.

>>717233330
I'd say the series up to 3 was fun. Yes, they were (bar 1) formulaic. Yes, they were movie games. No, I don't care. I had good fun going on the adventures with them.

Everything after 3 went pear shaped.

>>717233230 (OP)
Ass Creed was never truly good. The first game had interesting ideas but was a repetitive borefest that had no idea how to actually make the ideas it had work.
2 was decent but pretty McDonald's safe.
3 sucked
4 was the same deal as with 2, not a bad game but kinda safe with very few genuinely good moments. The rest are bad or poor man's games of whichever genre they were trying to imitate at the time.

>>717233498
ew i can smell you from here shitskin

>>717233230 (OP)
Tencent needs to force the brand from the greasy hands Ubi and outsource it to IOI, they're the only dev in the history of gaming who can make decent social stealth games

>>717234147
Origins' combat and the gear system was dogshit. But the rest of the game was pretty comfy. And I really enjoyed Bayak's story.
Feels weird to say "this game was pretty awesome, except for its gameplay"... but thats exactly what it was.

I remember the schizo 2012 wall from AC1 but not much else

>>717234908
>Which has never been a measurement of quality
It has always been a measurement of quality save for thr psueds who seethe about it. AC2 was a great game for its time. Nothing else like it existed.

>>717235451
>It has always been a measurement of quality
so skyrim is the best RPG ever made according to you

>>717233498
lol no its not

>>717235451
t. Capcom
Anything that sell less than 10 million copies is shit that must be killed immediately

Whether it actually was bad or not is debatable, but it certainly wasn't good. In (now) traditional to Ubisoft manner, it's a time waster that can only fool the normalfag crowd. Anyone else would sooner or later see it for what it really is.
Prince of Persia (2008) on another hand was pretty good, and certainly didn't deserve *all* of its hate.

>>717233230 (OP)
Yes, classical tranny retconning. Look up the author, bet he's a troon or a jew

>>717233230 (OP)
I only played the first one, it was fine I guess. It was hard carried by the setting.

>>717233230 (OP)
No ass creed always sucks ass and killed pop
It has cool design and music but gameplay was pure dogshit

>>717235919
Half of the hate it got was because it removed the game over screen which was seen as an insult against gamers.
I miss that era

it's had 2 good games out of what, 15?

>>717233230 (OP)
I can't believe that I am actually agreeing with a journalist.

>>717233230 (OP)
He's right. AC2 is criminally overrated and every game after that was a lazy reskin of it.

>>717233230 (OP)
It's opportunism to try and kill it like how it killed the far superior Prince of Persia games.

>>717233230 (OP)
Only 2 and Black Flag were any good
Also I've only played 1, 2 and Black Flag

>buy OG AC for like $20 at blockbuster
>excited because I hear so much about how great this series is
>long boring exposition and cutscene
>do first mission
>hey I guess that was fun
>more boring boring non-gameplay
>second mission is literal repeat of first mission
And that's where I began and ended with this shit series.

>>717233356
AC1 is unironically the best

2 and 4 were ultrakino

>>717235998
>zoomer who liked asscreed is also a tranny obsessed weirdo
lmao

>>717233330
That's cus you were playing dogshit like Ass 2 instead of Red Steel 2. Its crazy how we have an entire generation of Gaymers who grew up with garbage like ass creed because Ubisoft hyped that shit up so hard every E3.

>>717233230 (OP)
>phoneposter
kill yourself

>>717233230 (OP)
Probably, but he's right, AC has always been shit.

>>717233330
Same, I enjoyed the first 2 and Brotherhood

>>717233230 (OP)
Which is the best, or better, assassin's creed game to play? I want to dip my toes into the franchise.

>>717236486
the only AC1 is better than is AC3, AC:Rogue and maybe Shadows. it's only remembered because the whole "are we the bad guys?" shit which is part of the series DNA at least when it comes to people with media literacy who play these games.
the ezio games completely trumped it.

>>717233230 (OP)
>for how badly Shadows did?
Did it actually, or is it only a case of people really wanting it to sell badly?

>>717236879
Ezio trilogy, AC4, Origins and Odyssey
None of them are particular great nor bad to play, depends on your tolerance of Ubisoft games, the setting and the lore in these games are always on point though.

>>717236879
are you a zoomer and can't play old games? then origins is the only one, followed by odyssey then maybe if you havent dropped out then valhalla and shadows.

otherwise just play them in release order, you can skip the DLCs they dont matter.

I've beat the first one when it was new and once the novelty of the climbing & parkour mechanics wore off, it became the most mind-numbingly boring game I ever experienced. I never understood why normies ate this shit up the way they did. I tried out a couple of the sequels because of constant shilling by friends, but they weren't any better.
Garbage franchise through and through.

AC like HALO canonically stopped as as trilogy
Any game after that is non canon

>>717237595
is your favorite game the mario bing bing on nintendo one?

>>717233230 (OP)
whatever fag posted that is correct, ass creed was NEVER good. always hated the ultra simplistic "parkour" or the retard proof one button fighting scheme.

>>717233230 (OP)
No, Ass Creed has actually just always been bad.

At its best, it was an incredibly dumbed down, bastardized Thief-meets-Hitman. And the game would have still been pretty shit if it was just that, but those moments are actually pretty few and far between.

>>717238276
>>717238313
bing bing wahoo

>>717235810
No, FFX and E33 are, and they both also sold in the multiple millions.
>>717235908
Never implied tens of millions were necessary.

>>717239040
>No, FFX and E33 are, and they both also sold in the multiple millions.
sorry kiddo skyrim sold better and is more widely beloved by everyone, therefore it's the best.

>>717233230 (OP)
>TheGamer
Really? We're posting headlines from this site now?

>>717236879
2 and 4

>>717233230 (OP)
It was good when they still had Jade making this shit. And yes I do mean 2 and Brotherhood.
Ezio was peak.

>>717233498
Cry about it on your subreddit raj

>>717233230 (OP)
They're not wrong for once

>>717233230 (OP)
dunno, I'm 40 and never really felt like asscreen was ever good.
The hype mostly came from French loyalist that pretend all things French are good, and children whose eyes still see the E3 trailers quality when all they do in their own screen is mash 1 button and wait for cinematics

>>717237043
Ubisoft is publicly audited, you can see the stock market's reaction to the release.

>>717233230 (OP)
It was always dogshit
Its just that various aspects were technologically impressive and new at the time

>>717233230 (OP)
No it's just that the ubisoft cheques stopped arriving.

>>717233230 (OP)
No? It has always been garbagge
>press x for le cool animation
>wow amazing gameplay

>>717240501
>>717240059
>>717240049
>>717239971
bing bing wahoo! wahoo!

>>717233230 (OP)
>Assassin's Creed has always been bad

Yeah. The first one was the only one I was impressed by; the only one that had creativity put into it and tried something I hadn't seen before with its "crowd stealth" and parkour shit. After that, it has just been the same damn thing over and over and over again with improvements so minor you need a microscope to see them.

>>717240587
Ubisoft, much like Blizzard, it's a corpo corpse held up by the state and have been for most of their time.

>>717240683
WAHOO!

WAHOO!

>>717239135
Quality sells is what I said. Creating a ranking system beyond that is something you made up to cope. As for Skyrim, it's a landmark moment in gaming, but contrarians will do what they do. Any games that you actually like?

>>717237043
Unquestionably. They never released rev figures, but the rev was explicitly a part of the bailout they got from tencent. Keep in mind that it's budget was completely fucking obscene and it needed something in the neighborhood of 5 million full price sales just to break even, according to their own guidance.

I've been playing AC Shadows and it's funny how it feels like it's trying to distance itself from Assassin's Creed

>>717233230 (OP)
>Is this copium for how badly Shadows did?
Yes. Consider the Gamers' previous articles on AC shadwos, and the same author simps for Lord of the rings but MYSTERIOUSLY has no idea why the new game just cratered.

>>717233230 (OP)
1 was shit
2 was good
3 was shit
4 was good
I can't be bothered to list all the dumb fucking spinoffs and sequels this series has, but everything after 4 has been bad

>>717233447
Verticality + exotic historical locations to explore was what made AC cool
1 and 2 had it, 3 dropped the ball by being set in boring ass colonial America with zero tall buildings.

Only black flag saved it’s legacy by being just a simple fun pirate game.

>>717240901
>Unquestionably.
source?
>Keep in mind that it's budget was completely fucking obscene
source?
>it needed something in the neighborhood of 5 million full price sales just to break even
source?
>according to their own guidance
source?

>>717240587
>>717240795
Yes, yes, Nintendo is bad too, two things can be true at the same time. You can fuck off now.

>>717233230 (OP)
Probably, but he's still right. AC has always been press 1 button to awesome AAA slop.

>>717241058
>REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY MODE: ACTIVATED

>>717233230 (OP)
yeah but now its worse

>>717233230 (OP)
Assassins Creed was on the best franchises ever until they decided it time to use it as social engineering

>>717233230 (OP)
No it's the truth. AC has always been lowest common denominator slop.

It wasn't that hard, they just didn't have to make it gay.

>>717241019
1 was shit
2 was slightly less shit
I stopped playing here

>>717241378
All videogames are lowest common denominator slop.

I've never played an asscreed game or even seen more than 10 seconds of gameplay from the series. Thanks for asking.

the multiplayer was so good, but instead of fixing the smoke bomb spam they just axed it

>>717233230 (OP)
Holy shit you fags are such contrarians. 1 was pretty good, two and brotherhood were pure kino and revelations was ok. Everything after that, except for Black flag, was pure doo doo.

Yeah gameplay can get a bit repetitive but at that point who cares. Characters, story, settings and music are pure soul.

AC was revolutionary for its time, taking everything they learned from PoP and applying it to a larger canvas. You unappreciative fags have no idea how amazing it was to walk around in a historical locale at scale. Everything Ubisoft descended into admittedly starts with AC, but the first two games back to back were amazing. Back when sequels were actual improvements and not half assed dogshit like ToTK and Death Stranding 2.

>>717240873
>quality sells is what I said
no actually you said
>It has always been a measurement of quality
you trying to redefine what you said aside, yes the high quality game, World of Warcraft Shadowlands. or NBA2k25.
>games you like
I like plenty of games. Been playing Digital Devil Saga 1 for the first time on my PS2 and been having a good time despite not quite liking how hunting skills work, though a friend assures me it gets better later on as I invest into hunt skills. also decided to replay MH3U, haven't played it since launch and despite the swimming I still think 3rd gen maps are my favorites. I've also been enjoying the new donkey kong game

>>717233230 (OP)
Series started to go downhill after Origins but it started at origins

>>717233230 (OP)
1sucked
2 was a 7
brotherhood or rev whatever brought online an 8 other one a 6/7
3 sucked
black fag sucked (I DONT CARE you liked the boating I didn't)

>>717233498
good mooorning saar
sent from iphone poo edition from bangalore

>>717233230 (OP)
2 and 4 are great fun, fuck whatever nigger faggot wrote this gay article

>>717241915
I'll take the more limited environments if it means I can have the better mechanics and more tightly designed platforming setpieces. Asscreed traded mechanical complexity and level design for scope and accessibility

>>717233401
midwit

>>717238313
I'd rather just call it bastardized Hitman mechanics than making the Thief comparison at all. My stance on purist stealth is light intensity meter and sound based detection are the definitive combination (so splinter cell fits). I just think they're more methodically paced and that should be the intentional experience. Assassin's Creed doesn't place much emphasis on penalty for detection. Hitman gave it's own incentives on social stealth for the silent assassin ranking, that's what AC lacked. It lacked the same commitment to actual stealth ideas and what you had to do to obtain it. But Hitman is also a much more tightly designed experience because it is map based, rather than AC's approach with recycling outposts.

>>717233230 (OP)
Only Ezio trilogy and Black Flag were good

>>717233230 (OP)
The Ezio games were good and the part of Black Flag that isn't AssCreed is good.
All the other mainline ACs were kinda shit, the ones from after they dropped Desmond's plotline are kinda dogshit because Ubi shat the bed
Nobody talks about the spin-offs for some reason, doubt they're any good

I'm sorry hitmentards but black flag was the best and last AC

>>717242710
Rogue was okay

>>717233230 (OP)
I find it baffling people actually like this franchise. I tuned out after the second game. I didn't even stick around for Ezio's trilogy. If I ever do go back to it though I probably would play the AC2 trilogy and then tune out again most likely.

I always thought the appeal was you fuck around with the fun parkour platforming, get your enjoyment from that and some comedic stealth for a few hours with the main story and then you move on. So maybe AC would have been better off as some arcadey-like experience rather than what they keep making.

>has always been bad, chud!
I love this cope

>>717235002
There's a timeline where I actually played through AC1 when I got it in early 2012, then played through the rest of the series and getting a decent AC3 later in the year might have become an invested ACfag.
I'm still grateful that didn't come to pass.

>>717242784
I tapped out after brotherhood, kind of funny to see the new gen of retards here being nostalgic for these dogshit games though.

>>717242784
The story in the bed was actually quite interesting until it completely shit the bed with ancient aliens BS

>>717242936
In the games*

>>717234129
For me the the main culprits were the terrible info gathering side missions.
Each target should have had 1 unique-ish mission to gather intel and maybe 1 job that would make it easier in some way. Less guards or whatever.

>>717241689
>"Holy shit you fags are such contrarians."
>posts contrarian opinion

>actual asscreed fans ITT
/v/ really is normalfag central now

>>717233230 (OP)
It's not exactly wrong. The series has always been hit or miss. The series was in a massive slump until Origins revived it

>>717243179
Yeah, it's always funny when /pol/tourists realize there's people who actually play games on this board.

>>717242784
You were simply filtered nigga.

>>717243263
>play games
the game plays itself man, you just hold the stick forward and watch the game do all the platforming for you

>>717243179
People liked the early games

>>717233330
I really hated 1 and 2 was also terrible, one of the rare games I sold before completing.
It had, what? 3 side quests types you did over and over? And combat was just: parry to insta kill. Combine that with the automatic platforming and you have prime slop.

AC was always fucking shit, pure beta-ubislop.

>>717243393
sheesh no cap

>>717243491
>>717243393
>>717242784
samefag

>>717243451
normalfags liked the early games. you think ubislop being a staple in the AAA industry didn't have some kind of origin? people used to meme about the low execution platforming and
>hold RT and press counter to win every fight
all the time

>>717243451
normalfags liked the early games
you faggots defend halo and cod too

>>717243567
close but no potato
>inb4 "you autistically edited the webzone elements because I couldn't possibly be wrong"

>>717243636
why did you pretend to be me, samefag?

>>717233230 (OP)
Assassin's creed had its highs and lows. The first game was pretty revolutional for its time, felt like one of the first true "next-gen" games for that era. A lot of people were coming in it from Prince of Persia, I remember some of my friends hyping it up as the PoP4, but it was technologically miles ahead of the PoP trilogy. Still a bit janky game, kinda repetitive. But it made its name and created a new franchise for Ubisoft.
AC2 was something Ubisoft forgot how to do. They took everything good from AC1 and improved upon it immensely. It was a long ass game, but not bloated at all + you could skip optional content if you wanted to (in modern ACs they stall your progress by making enemies high level, forcing you to grind)
AC brotherhood and revelations were similar to AC2, especially brotherhood. But they were carried by the protagonist and the story you were already invested in. Plus ubisoft still added new mechanics each game. They all felt fresh

>>717233330
I played Asscreed 2 when it was still new and it felt like it was a AAA slop

>>717243693
In AC3 they again improved a lot of things from ac2 trilogy, but it had problems with the pacing. It was also the first AC that didn't add much new. They were kinda exterminating with naval battles, which was interesting.
AC4 was good. But it had its problem. People often forget about the very boring parts of AC4 which all happened on land. That's because the core gameplay of AC was starting to get very fucking boring and repetitive. That's why nobody remembers a couple of spin off games they released at the time.
AC unity was a fucking disaster. It wasn't a bad game. Hell, it is better than any modern AC, but it was extremely buggy. It was also the first game where all the normie fans of the franchise started to realize they are playing the same game for more than a decade now.
AC syndicate was much worse. The realization I mentioned earlier settled in completely. It was also very boring. London looked cool, though.
Origins was an experiment. It was a fine game for the time. Back then there was no open world fatigue like today. I still appreciated that Ubisoft actually tried something new. I dislike a lot of things there. It was also the first AC that pushed the bloat hard. The game was huge. But not in a fun way. More like tedious and repetitive.
Ubisoft stopped experimenting with the series since. Every game after is just origins in a new setting.

>>717243332
I played and beat AC 1 and 2 though. So how am I filtered by such easy games?

>>717243687
>autist who fabricates screenshots is an asscred fan
you can't really make this shit up lmao. why do you like Asscreed if you clearly enjoy actually having to do things?

I miss the good times

>>717243849
>projecting

Series ruined

>>717243141
contrarian according to whom? /v/?
only in here you will find le savant gamers who don't like the first few AC games.

>>717243821
>So how am I filtered by such easy games
Why are you crying about such easy games online if you weren't nigger

>>717243858
I too remember the good old days of holding RT+A and forward on the left stick while my eyes glaze over

>>717243920
calling AC origins bad is very contrarian yes

>>717244008
not it fucking isn't. a lot of people were turned off by it because it was a wannabe witcher 3. not everyone wanted the shitty RPG mechanics it introduced. the games was very divisive when it came out.

>>717244113
>>717244008
yeah odyssey is more widely accepted game, still ubislop of course.

>>717244113
>>717244146
contrarianism and historical revisionism

>unironic AssCreed fans on /v/
disgusting

>>717244240
sorry you like bad games, don't worry though you can go talk to the many normalfags who have never once thought about the things they consume for your confirmation bias if you want

>>717244334
trolling

>>717244146
agreed on that but I never said I though odyssey was good. The contrarian opinion in here is that AC was always bad, because most fart enjoyers on /v/ will label anything mainstream bad only because it is mainstream.

>>717244505
>because most fart enjoyers on /v/ will label anything mainstream bad only because it is mainstream.
good thing I think asscreed is bad because it has the mechanical complexity of a dried puddle and it alongside farcry 3 was the grandaddy of the ubislop formula. like have people forgotten why it's called asscreed online in the first place?

>>717244579
what games do you play

>>717233230 (OP)
The truth is that AC1 blew fucking ass and the only saving graces were the ability to climb anything and the somewhat edgy story/setting. The gameplay of AC1 is fucking dreadful and it remained an issue well until AC4. From then on, the story and settings also started to decline, alongisde Ubishit's jewery and lack of quality control.

>>717244812
>started to decline
>origins has better story than every AC besides ezio games, which are a trilogy so don't count

>>717244650
already posted what I've been playing in this thread but I'll do it again because you're more interested in my tastes than actually arguing the mechanical depth of asscreed
>Digital Devil Saga 1
>MH3U
>Donkey Kong Bananza (borrowed my friend's switch 2 after he 100%'d the game cus I'm not buying a console for 1 game)
are the main 3 I've been cycling through, though sometimes I'll also boot up Ninja Gaiden Black on my modded xbox and PSOBB on the Ephinea community servers because I've never actually played much of PSO1 past the first dragon boss. fought the second boss and I hated every second of that fight, shit sucked ass

>>717233230 (OP)
It actually has always been dogshit, I've played most of them because I love history and running around the different historical/cultural settings but they've been spiraling into lunacy pulling things out of their ass since Syndicate and Shadows was too gay even for me to buy. I've never really liked the gameplay because they're barely stealth games after 1, compare AssCreed run up and shank a dude in broad daylight and then hold X to parkour away to Hitman or even Far Cry, it's just not fun.

>>717243592
Early CoD and Halo were good
Cry more boomer

>>717244916
nvm i thought you were baiting but you're just retarded

>>717245028
sounds like you're more interested in namecalling like a stupid child instead of actually discussing the merits of any video game

>>717243569
None of the people who worked on the original games are in the company anymore, the series has nothing to do with the original concept anymore

>>717244579
>mechanical complexity of a dried puddle

So is tetris by that standard. AC used to be good because of the story, the characters and the settings. Music was kino as well. Now the only thing left is the settings. Unity was dogshit but the only thing good about it was being able to walk through the world. That's what sets the older games apart from the new ones.

>>717245109
you think some handheld slop of the week or console shit is complex your brain would melt from opening eu4 for 5 sec kiddo just sit down

>>717245340
>Asscreed
>not console shit
not beating the stupid child allegations I'm afraid

>>717245406
i never claimed ac was bad because it isn't "mechanically complex", that was you. and then you suggested some console shit is as a self-own

>>717245406
>Asscreed
>Not beating the allegations

nta but that zoomertalk of the day, ew
/vt/ is that way

>>717245497
>i never claimed ac was bad because it isn't "mechanically complex", that was you.
I never said you did bozo, in fact I said that you'd rather namecall than discuss the merit of any videogame and so far I've been right on the money. But if you think my "suggestions" (despite me not suggestion them at all and just answering your question of what I am playing lol) is "console shit" and therefore not mechanically complex because of it, then by extension you agree that asscreed is also not mechanically complex, because it too is console shit.

>>717245604
you couldn't gatekeep a fat shit from your pants

>>717233230 (OP)
>Suddenly shifting narratives from sucking Ubisoft off

>>717245790
BAZINGA! let me give you an updoot fellow redditor

>>717245726
nobody but you has been trying to claim only "mechanically complex" games are good then when prompted what said "complexity" is to you think it best to bring up some consoleslop. >>717245790
>>717245406
you were the first to whine about people having no arguments instead of insults but you're the one who keeps devolving the argument into namecalling and insults. why not just drop the act and start whining about "woke" or whatever is it that you zoomers love nowdays?

>>717244916
>AC bad
>plays turn-based menu moviegames, jap grindslop, and tendie toddler shovelware
it's so funny to see people acting like a patrician for hating AC and then you ask what they play and it's the worst shit imagineable

>>717233230 (OP)
AC was the last new exciting AAA IP that brought something new and interesting, what else have we got since then?

>>717233447
Hello Delhi !

>>717233230 (OP)
Did it even come out? Last I heard of it was it was delayed and all the woke shitposting. If it did come out they actually did a terrible job marketing.

>>717243936
There's a lot of fun to be had with the parkour system in the Ezio games, but you're an NPC so you never tried experimenting with what you can do. Every single game can be oversimplified in a disingenuous manner, might as well say that DMC is just mash Y to win lol

All that people wanted was another game like Black Flag, how did they fuck up so badly?

>>717233230 (OP)
No. Assassins Creed was even worse than it is now. You could turn your screen off and beat the whole game.

>>717238313
Thief is dogshit, take off the nostalgia goggles boomie

Ubisoft pirated Singapore money

>>717233230 (OP)
No it was not always bad. It was very unique and interesting back in Ezio's timeline. It was THE parkouring game, and old Italy recreation was done masterfully. AC stopped being a good game after AC3

>>717234284
my favorite part about the first is the kino medieval setting and kino assassinations and kino boss fight, also the kino schizo ramblings on your cell wall at the end of the game that got ruined later with ayyliens

>>717247084
>no, no, game simple so game bad
>normie like so me no like.

half the fucking thread in here is spewing the same shit trying to appear le true gamers while ignoring what you just said.

>>717247084
the bleeding effect is caused by the animus devices. the isu stuff is already set up in the first game but it's a seperate thing.

>>717247590
>the isu stuff is already set up in the first game but it's a seperate thing.
for me it was a former abstergo prisoner leaving warnings and prophecies

>>717234421
Public reception for Brotherhood was shaky at best at release because people were 50/50 on doing another Ezio story, and then Rev was quite disliked for an enormous amount of time due to them retreading Ezio again, Desmond farting around in the Animus to justify it, and feeling like a filler story. The TD segments were also very despised.

>>717246524
you're right, sometimes you get to press A instead of holding it.

>>717233230 (OP)
It is true that franchise has sucked since 2007

>>717233230 (OP)
I have not enjoyed a single AC game

>>717245927
>nobody but you has been trying to claim only "mechanically complex" games are good
well it's a good thing I never said this then, I said Asscreed is bad because it's very shallow. I didn't say "every game needs to be complex to be good" I said "this specific franchise is bad because it's extremely shallow"

It's over for AC

Does anyone give a shit about the current time sections? I always hated those

>>717246424
>something new and exciting
anon asscreed was just a bad open world prince of persia game with the worst version of Hitman's social stealth ever put into a videogame.

>>717247826
>I said Asscreed is bad because it's very shallow
>I didn't say "every game needs to be complex to be good"
>this specific franchise is bad because it's extremely shallow

why is THIS franchise bad because it's shallow and others not bad because they are shallow then?

>>717244307
>He hasn't been here since the launch of AC1.
AC1 release threads being positive about the game are the only reason why I ever remotely looked at it at K-mart and bought it. We had solid threads for literal years which only started to die down after 3's massive disappointment and then we had an absurd amount of Unity threads at launch laughing at the bugs.

Next you'll tell me people here also weren't massive CoD fans despite 32 player Warehouse servers running 24/7 and always filled, people laughing about Grenade of Grenade 4, bitching about WaW, and MW2 while older fans hated the newer fans.
People also loved Halo, you just had to not browse at midday in the US and instead only browse at night because all the Captain King shitposters went to sleep and you could actually talk about the games. People used to host their own CTF and KOTH servers, particularly on Blood Gulch and provide the cracked CE client for people who didn't own it.

>>717247938
Yes. You are absolutely the minority if you dislike Modern Day as the only reason Layla exists is because of how many people hated how they became toned down with Unity and Syndicate.

>>717233230 (OP)
I liked the first one, even from the second game onwards it lost it's focus.
>wide open entire cities full of interesting architecture and huge crowds to run around and look at
>neat atmosphere through color grading, building style, and npc gatherings
>actual difficult climbing and parkour
>if you just hold forward you'll either get stuck or be really slow, you actually have to press buttons and platform
>tells a straightforward story of a single man from start to finish in a reasonable amount of time
>main focus is actually the overarching mystery outside plot, desmond is an actual character who actually matters
>combat is almost entirely optional and very fast, you can just run away from every fight and all targets are instakills if you get close enough
Even in AC2 it started to get way more linear and the tower bloat was nuts even from the start, plus the story was all over the place and ridiculously overcomplicated and drawn out. And oh god the endless fucking tailing missions.

>>717247960
because other games can have redeeming qualities that can make tolerating the shallow mechanical experience worthwhile, or those simple mechanics can be implemented in ways that make them enjoyable to interact with. Asscreed has neither.

>>717233230 (OP)
Nah. Back in the day it was a cool new IP with lots of potential that the later games never lived up to. The OG devs didn't want it to become a huge franchise too.

>>717247751
Sure just like every platformer is hold forward, every racing game is hold R2, and every shooter game is click click

The parkour system was great but I know there's no convincing someone who gets all their thoughts from the hivemind here

>>717248034
The thing I liked about 1 I'm so annoyed they got rid of was you doing missions before the big assassination to scope out exits or get intel etc.
Yknow, like an actual fucking assassin. AC1 is easily the best "assassin" game in the series, and then 2 is just a sandbox with cool movement mechanics.
>>actual difficult climbing and parkour
Yeah I liked that too, although it could have been a bit more intuitive. I guess it's just that modern games issue where to sell to a mass market things need to have 0 frustration.

>>717242507
well it was only a minor rape

>>717247985
>Yes. You are absolutely the minority if you dislike Modern Day
Can't imagine being this confidently wrong. Every single person I've ever spoke to about AC, online or IRL, have been like "yeah kinda wish all that desmond shit fucked off I just wanna run around stabbing blokes"
I only liked Revelations for it as it had some cool aesthetics in the animus levels

>>717248173
I liked that a lot too, but the missions always being the same got old after a while.

>>717248246
>Can't imagine being this confidently wrong.
You are genuinely talking to a minority of people. Like I said, the only reason Layla is even around was because of how much people disliked Unity and Syndicate having next to nothing of Modern Day and were complaining that it felt like a pointless story ever since Desmond was gone and they bungled Juno. It's why they introduced and spent so much time setting up Layla.

>>717248374
You are the vocal minority, no one likes modern AC timelines.

>>717248170
it was a good idea on paper executed in a way to make it idiot proof because it was the dawn of mass vidya consumption by casuals so any and all friction and difficulty of execution was removed in favor of a system that was about picking a route and letting the game do the actual gameplay bit of platforming. the cities were designed very well in regards to being a parkour sandbox, but the act of navigating just wasn't very satisfying or difficult to pull off. I could forgive it if the combat or stealth made up for it, but all 3 major aspects of the gameplay share the same issues as I've outlined above.

>>717248038
now you are truly talking out of your ass. Ezio is one of the most famous and beloved protags for a reason. He is a cool fucking dude with an interesting story and all the knives and the charisma to do what he wants. The other characters as well are amazing, like Machiavelli or the Borgias. The story too is great both Ezios and Desmonds. The worlds are fucking gorgeous too especially for the ps3 era. Being able to walk through Italy like that is turbo kino. Everything, from the hidden blade, to the creed moto to the visuals are iconic as fuck for a good reason too. Music is 9/10 too, still listen to it from time to time. And don't let me get started on Altair, his iconic outfit, his battle of beliefs with his master, the whole order vs chaos fight. So fuck straight off a cliff and take the new donkey kong game with you.

>>717233230 (OP)
Are you ready for Asscred Witches?

>>717248559
>using iconic twice
starting to make me think you're an ubisoft employee

the series ended with unity

>>717248495
Again, they spent a ridiculous amount of time, effort, and money trying to build up Layla and only stopped because people were vocal enough that they hated her compared to Desmond. That's literally what we now have The Reader at all.

It's not a "vocal minority" when you can literally see it happening in each consecutive game. Mirage only exists because of people desperate for a classic AC game and complaining about the RPG games.

>>717248671
yeah I'm waiting for the check right now, you got me. still didn't disprove me though fag

>>717247952
>It was just X
Yet no one else has done it before

>>717233498
Indians are genuinely a humanity-ending threat. If we keep leaving them unchecked it will quite literally be the end of the human race.

>guys we are totally returning to the roots and focusing on stealth again
>it's the most bland forgettable game in the series with ridiculous instant win abilities

>>717247826
>well it's a good thing I never said this then
>>717244579
>good thing I think asscreed is bad because it has the mechanical complexity of a dried puddle
why did you wait a full hour to try and come back with this gotcha attempt i can btfo in 10sec?

>>717249441
>guys we are totally returning to the roots and focusing on stealth again
the franchise was never a stealth franchise. it didn't even have crouch until unity. what they meant by "return to roots" was in terms of being a mission focused linear story as opposed to MMO grind focused game like valhalla

>>717247985
Yeah I love my comfy adventure in a historic city be interrupted so I can walk around some office doing mundane shit only for my fun to be interrupted once again when I finally get immersed in the modern day story
It's just so poorly executed and I remember absolutely nothing about revelations' RL plotline even tho I still have the cd

>>717250105
>It's just so poorly executed and I remember absolutely nothing about revelations' RL plotline even tho I still have the cd
brotherhood's current day plot is very memorable. in revelations it has less of a focus.

>>717248503
>mass vidya consumption by casuals so any and all friction and difficulty of execution was removed
The biggest casualization of vidya was going from the SNES to the N64/PS1. Most of the games that people love form the 5th and 6th gens aren't difficult at all

>a system that was about picking a route and letting the game do the actual gameplay bit of platforming
Yeah you can play in the most boring way possible if you just run in a straight line and never experiment, but within that system there's a lot of cool tricks and moves you can do. In the same way that if you're playing a game with open world driving like GTA, you can mindlessly drive from point A to B, or you can learn the driving physics and how cars behave to really enjoy it

The mechanics serve an open world sandbox, it's not about insane difficulty. These games weren't trying to be NES Ninja Gaiden dude

>>717233230 (OP)
Just because the orginal games were 5/10 in 2010 and doesnt make them 8/10 in 2025.
People need to stop with the retard take of
>the standards have fallen
No, the average in current year is worse.
That doesnt mean that the current average is 5/10, it just dropped to 3/10
the average has fallen, not the standard.
...
Atleast if you have a modicum of taste and arent a conzuumer of current slop

>>717247952
>anon asscreed was just a bad open world prince of persia game
It was a great open world Prince of Persia, that's why we loved it

>>717250252
I can't remember anything about modern black flag either. It always felt as if they were trying to mash 2 completely separate plot lines together and I just couldn't give a shit. Don't know how I'm the only one who thinks so

>>717233230 (OP)
It's always been overly bloated, but not bad.
Assassin's creed 2 was fun.
Assassin's creed brotherhood was fun.
Assassin's creed revelations I didn't play.
Assassin's creed 3 was okay.
After that I stopped caring, but my brother had a lot of fun with black flag.

It seems that post blah flag everything was progressively less appealing.

>>717250371
black flag modern plot line is a templar psyop attempt and it's funny as a one off but does nothing for the overarching story besides namedropping some people from the graphic novels or whatever.

>>717233356
The first one was a functional prototype, and the second was a really good game.

>>717233230 (OP)
There's a reason AC games still exist. There's literally nothing else that does meticulous city parkour. If any other game were to do it, Ubisoft would prob be on their ass instantly. Every other game like it is either super human parkour or look at this giant yellow thing parkour.

>>717250496
>but does nothing for the overarching story
It directly introduces Aita's DNA actually doing something as shown in AC3, introduces the concept of Sages which are then used in Elijah, Germaine in Unity, and that guy Lydia kills in Syndicate, shows that it's not just happening in one gene pool but humanity as a whole, and sets up Juno trying to be brought back by Aita and the Instruments of the First Will (Who aren't named yet if I remember right).

It also directly talks about how the new Animus works, how Vidic somehow got non-ancestral DNA reading working before he died (He stole it from some other chick in Abstergo who died testing it to try and beat him), how they can even make Abstergo Entertainment work, how Abstergo is now having blood drives to harvest every human on Earth's DNA for them to sift through freely (How Rogue, Unity, and Syndicate even happened), and how they grabbed Desmond's body, chopped it up, and are now using it for both propaganda and an Assassin bloodline meaning they have a leg up on William's operation on top of the commune Desmond grew up in for a bit.

You really gotta pay attention because there was a lot explained and established in Black Flag alone. They even talked about future bloodlines they could do like "Jack the Ripper" for example to hint at future games.