>No guns in Silent Hill game
the fuck were they thinking?

Why does the game freeze on every hit? Shit looks ridiculous

>>717258887 (OP)
Does Japan even have guns

Japan doesn't have guns, it's supposed to be realistic.

horror games arent scary if you have a gun

>>717258965
yeah, this has never been a good idea, no matter the game genre

>>717258887 (OP)
>guns
>Japan

>>717258965
A couple good action games do it sparingly, chinkslop took that to mean you should do it all the time to seem epic

That hitstop is way too over the top and the animations make her look like a professional batter instead of an average schoolgirl.

>>717259287
Police revolvers and illegal pistols and shotguns smuggled by organized crime.

>>717258887 (OP)
>game freeze on hit
>shockwave on hit
its over...

>>717259072
Yakuza have guns. Should be yakuza mc.

>>717258965
>game release
>0.00001s later
>"no hitstop mod for Silent Hill f"
I'm not worried about that, everything else looks great.

>>717258965
because you are the thing. It'll be an original plot twist if you aren't the thing.

FACT: Japanese horror is only good in an American setting with American or otherwise WHITE protagonists.

>>717258887 (OP)
Based, guns are for pussies

>>717259024
They have overpriced hunting shotguns.
Also it would be a great and cheeky way of tying the cult that Abe was accused of being in to silent hill by adding the homemade gun the guy used to shoot him.

>>717258965
It's called sticky friction
https://kotaku.com/in-praise-of-sticky-friction-5558166

>>717259527
What?

>>717259628
yeah and western horror is never good

>>717259501
This, desu.
Imagine playing on cucksole.

>>717258887 (OP)
>£70 (SEVENTY GREAT BRITISH POUNDS) for this.
I'm good

>>717258887 (OP)
Hinako doesn't need guns

>>717260159
Close combat is for losers.

>>717258965
I think dark souls has like 1 frame of freezing hitstop. Just fucking ONE.

>>717259162
Plebbit.
Hitstop is awesome and good.
The problem in this webm is that
1. it's extremely excessive
2. it's fucking silent hill, this has no place in silent hill and immediately completely takes you out of the experience

>>717260159
POG POG POGGERS POGPOG MORE PARRY MORE SLOP MORE MORE MORE

OPOOOOOOOOOGPOOOOOOOOOGPOGEEEEEEERS MORE E33 SLOP MORE DEMAKE 2 SLOP

MORE MOREMORE

POGPGOPGOPGOPGO

GAMING IS BETTER THAN EVER
POOG
WEIRDCHAMP?!?
POGPOGPOG

>>717260159
I love this animator

>>717260152
>No denuvo

>>717260449

>>717260573

>>717258887 (OP)
I think it takes place in Japan, not Silent Hill

>>717258887 (OP)
i fucking hate hitstop. i'd rather take screen shake if they want to add "weight" to the hits so bad

>>717259024
sometimes they do

>>717259351
maybe she's a softball champion

>>717259501
kek nothing looks great it looks fucking horrible hahahah

>>717259072
realism isnt fun

Silent Hill F(lop)

general red flags:
>80 euros for a AA game from a chink studio (their first own game after only doing RE:sistance)
>japanese setting (silent hill PHENOMENON)
>piss easy puzzles, with hinako telling you the solutions
>enemies look like straight out of homecoming / downpour (dolls, mine bats)
>every enemy gets introduced by screeching into the camera like a soulsboss
>only one ending on first playthrough, you have to play it several times to get the whole story
>not even a mainline SH, but a spin-off (just a rebranded horror game)

gameplay:
>action-focused SOULSLOP (with stats faggotry)
>hit-stun on every hit (enemies don't actually react to being hit)
>focus mode after 'perfect parry' with matrix slo-mo (konami didn't want to show this in gameplay footage)
>no guns, only melee weapons
>weapon durability (you have to repair weapons with repair kits)
>you can only carry 3 weapons at a time
>sanity meter depleting on every action; at 0 sanity inability to move (meaning you can get softlocked; konami didn't want to show this in gameply footage)
>most enemies cannot be outrun, you have to fight

story:
>female protag (schoolgirl drama with woke gender theory themes)
>hinako refuses to 'abide by the patriarchy' by rejecting her role as a female while also being the most beautiful in her class (lmao) and being bullied by her envious peers for it
>hinako's sister was "ruined" by marriage (anti marriage, anti-natalist)
>hinako's parents are in an abusive relationship (anti-relationship, anti-monogamy)
>extremely woke with the most outragious content deep into the game, so that you can't refund anymore

>>717258965
It's fine if it's like .05s where you don't directly notice it but every game with this shit decided to increase the duration of it by 10x

>>717258887 (OP)
This is not a Silent Hill game. It's a Fatal Frame game with the SH title slapped on. Shan't be playing. Ugh, I know - I'm just not going to!

>>717258887 (OP)
>the fuck were they thinking?
"I'm based beyond belief"

>>717258887 (OP)
>the fuck were they thinking?
They probably thought since the game is set in japan, access to firearms would be highly unlikely.

>>717260031
You will never be Japanese. Or a woman.

>>717258965
Isn't this a Capcom game, they probably copied this from their Monster Hunter series.

>>717264712
you'll always be a butthurt faggot burger

>>717258887 (OP)
americans can't even that the rest of the world isn't the wild west

>>717259024
Japanese cops carry a .38 revolver all old school like. I've heard some even carry it unloaded as they're more likely to have an accident with a loaded gun than actually need to use it.

Shattered Memories didn't have guns, or any combat whatsoever, and it's the best game in the series.

>>717267435
Silent Hill 2 was a mistake

>>717259162
not having it in fighting games is a really bad idea

>>717259072
>>717259024
>>717259074
Put a fucking bow Neotards, Japanese schools usually have a bow club

book of memories pog kino is back on the menu boys bros we are so back

>>717259759
It's called hitstop.

>>717258887 (OP)
Guns are no honorable, she is a samurai and will use samurai weapons like pipes and naginatas.

>>717267435
fuck no, it's the most boring silent hill ever made

>>717260839
It's fine and even good when implemented correctly. It helps with the pacing of swings so you don't demolish enemies effortlessly while also making your character seem powerful. God of boi overdid it by a little. This is overdoing it by a fuckton.

>NO GUNS
>NOT SET IN SILENT HILL, THE NAME OF THE GAME
>SOULS SLOP
>HITSTOP
Fucking trash, this is everything but Silent hill

>>717269542
*teleports behind you*
*slices you in half with a katana*
Nothing personnel, kid.

>>717269896
Don't bring a knife, to a gunfight you lose. Like in the song.

>>717261484
IF ONLY KOJIMBO WAS HERE

>>717270101
There are no guns in japan.

>>717269896
Ok, Heather.

>>717259072
This is an old timey bumfuck town where they absolute SHOULD have guns. They'd be rare and just single shot hunting rifles (no american automatic assault rifles) but they should be there. Farmers and hunters had them, and the restrictions only got more stringent in the 80s which is after this.

>>717259072
>>717270223
Another reason to this shit to be set in SILENT HILL and not fucking JAPAN pretty sure cops also have guns in Japan, the devs are just being extra retarded on the no guns bullshit

>>717270429
Heather has Mac10 and Beretta with shotgun.

>>717270809
Shizuoka is Japanese for "silent hill"

>>717270434
Acthually bumfuck towns must have guns doe to wild animal attacks.

>>717258887 (OP)
When does it come out? I think it looks comfy

>>717260502
Probably the only reason why I bought that fucking Zelda game. I was pretty much already hyped about Silent Hill f, though seeing the gameplay has lowered it.

>>717270809
Silent hill 4 and SH5 also Downpoor say otherwise.

>>717258887 (OP)
>we don't want guns to fit the time setting and also because you're a petite japanese girl who wouldn't know how to use them...

>...but the soulslike combat stays

>>717271004
That's what I said

Japan has bear problems in particular and there's some retarded ass laws that make it so that the police aren't allowed to shoot them, so they have to round up local hunters to go shoot them while the police watch. It's actually absurd to claim that a bumfuck town like this wouldn't have guns.

>>717271142
>SH5
what?

>>717271285
Silent hill 5 happens to be limbo that looked like SH.

>>717271231
What's the problem here? Petite Japaneae School girl literally the masters of the blade.

>>717258965
Hitstop is an important part of making combat feel good, but hack devs don't have the experience/talent to figure out the right amount, so they either put in too little or too much.

>>717271231
Samurai blood runs through her veins.

>>717265330
Guns are neccessery to survive.

>>717271231
Shooting a gun is a no-brainer

Her not knowing how to reload a hunting rifle could work as a gameplay mechanic - if you pick one up you get the one shot and there's no reloading or finding more ammo. Treating a regular ass single shot hunting rifle the way other games would treat a rocket launcher could've been an interesting dynamic.

>>717271895
>not knowing how to reload a hunting rifle
Why mc is a retard? Did she goes to school for mentally disabled people?

>>717272063
She is a woman.

>>717272360
Not all women are retards some of them, can drive a car.

>>717260434
What's with you faggots bringing up reddit every fucking second. Just because you got out of middle school this summer doesn't mean you shouldn't shut the fuck up and lurk. Hitstop is garbage

>>717272360
Yeah and Heather can shoot a gun since the first time. Not an excuse.

>>717259162
It's ok for action slop, not for a horror game.

>every single game is some form of over the shoulder rollslop/parry slop now
what went wrong?

>>717272635
But Heather is American.
They teach AR'S there in elementary school.

>>717259628
What about the Siren games or Fatal Frame?

>>717272885
She know how to shoot beretta, without shooting it even once before.

>>717272635
But she isn't a small jap girl raised in japan.

>>717273107
What part of "Heather is American" don't you understand?

>>717260434
>Hitstop is awesome and good.
no it isnt. good games dont use that shit. its always slop like god of war and horizon zero dawn doing that.

>>717272823
Zoomertards and normalfags

>>717273169
Not an excuse. Besides she had long school bully history.

>>717273107
Her american school shooting genes allow her to master any weapon first try.

>>717273317
Excelent.

>>717258887 (OP)
It's really weird since didn't ryukishi wrote this game? He made it a point that guns absolutely would be around in bumfuck villages like this one just like in Higurashi, with the teenage characters using guns too.
If not from hunters or police officers, at the very least even remnants of WW2 weaponry are always around, especially 1960s Japan.
Even Siren with its bumfuck villages has guns. I'm really just hoping it's a early game thing and they didn't wanna spoil you getting one later in the game.

>>717273278
That is why she trained the blade.

>>717258965
>it looks ridiculous
>let me add a "SH-" in there for no reason

>>717273579
Just like Heather.

>>717273169

>>717273912
I totally expect that to be an endgame weapon.

>>717258887 (OP)
>land a melee blow
>it just phases through the enemy without any sense of impact
Looks awful.

>>717274290
>without any sense of impact
Bro.. It literally stops time for a moment when you hit something....

>>717268081
Oda Nobunaga says see that ninja village. I don't want to see it anymore, and gun it down. Total succes.

>>717274471
Nobunaga was a notable westaboo.

>>717274393
Selling hits with screen shake and shockwave effects don't count. I want to see the monster get knocked around by each swing.

>>717274712
Still a legit samurai and ninja slayer..

>>717273107
you don't seem to understand that guns are in our ancestral memories, it's second nature, pussy.

>>717271895
>find hunting rifle
>she doesnt know how to load it
>classified as a melee weapon, swings it like a club from the barrel
kino, i will now play your game

>>717258965
bad implementation of hit stop, blame Sakurai

>>717261165
Didn't ask retard

>>717275237
There is no word "pussy" in the concepts of "war and survival".

>>717271824
how many times have you shot someone?

>>717275736
Guns are intutionial.

>>717274290
meanwhile in og SH2 the monster gets shoved around by the hits and they naturally feel weighty without a 1 second hitstop.

>>717275736
your entire existence depends on the implied threat of men with guns taking action should anything in your life get too far out of line

>>717259024
This is the main reason japan makes so many games in America, its the only place on the planet that it makes sense to find bullets and guns

>>717276141
Danger zone is still a thing.

>>717275736
I guess I should cancel my home insurance too with that smoothbrained ass logic.

>>717258887 (OP)
i like hitstop but this is ridiculous

>>717260031
You're going to laugh when you realize what inspired Silent Hill to begin with. And it sure as fuck wasn't Japslop.

>>717261484
>euros
And into the trash it goes

>>717258887 (OP)
Theres weapon durability.
100% you will be given a katana and its gonna be the strongest weapon

>>717259024
You can buy guns in big like Bic Camera or Yodobashi.
This is set in the 60s, you think remote locations wouldnt have post wwii weaponry? Its a game too

>>717258965
Japanese school girl... is strong!

>>717276594
Keyword being inspired.

>>717276901
So inspired, the devs even named in-game streets after them, and mention them in interviews. I guess "le white devils" deserve a lot more credit from you, Ranjesh.

>>717261039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3JHV5Fo5iA

>>717272823
>everyone keeps saying that over the shoulder camera is more immersive

I dont get it, I dont find it more immersive at all. Maybe first person you could say its more immersive, but over the shoulder? I miss the cool camera work from the PS2 games, there was some great camera positioning in some rooms.

>>717258887 (OP)
They were thinking "let's be different from Resident Evil" and literally nothing else at all.

It's set in the 60s in japan, how the fuck are you gonna get any guns there if you're a schoolgirl.

>>717258887 (OP)
>>717276871
why is my internet lagging when i watch these

>>717277739
Find gun on dead police man/soldier, magic town creates one for you, antagonists attain weaponry somehow and you take it from them at some point. It's not hard.

Most of those gameplay things are literally good things

Maybe the MC just doesn't like guns?

>>717276871
I love how her hair continues to move mid hit stop because of its physics

free gayme

W2AVI-TP4N2-05G2P

>>717261484
>chink studio
Say no more, no wonder why it's a souls clone.

>>717258965
Devil may hill

>>717271231
The jew fears the samurai

>>717271231
You haven't gone to a Japanese school. You need soulslike combat to handle the most dangerous thing there... school girls. Japanese school girl bullies will make you wish you were dead if you cross them.

>>717258887 (OP)
>the fuck were they thinking?
Probably something like "let's make the first good survival horror". I hope they also got rid of the inventory tetris, then the could even achieve that.

>>717278405
Silent hill wasn't a tetris.

>>717278405
>inventory tetris
You're thinking of RE, tourist.

>>717278316
>Sunset Overdrive
Got it, thanks.
On the other hand, fuck. I had already a game planned for after I'm done with the current one, so this ruins my schedule, but since I took it, I feel obliged to play it.

>>717273510
The hands on from outlets pretty much spoiled mostly every little detail. That's where we've got all this info about only being able to hold 3 weapons at a time, every one gets the same ending with first playtrhough, the shrine level up mechanic. 5 different endings including UFO one. If they haven't mentioned a gun being available, then it probably isn't there.

>>717258887 (OP)
>massive hitstop
>pipe still phases through the enemy

Come on now

>>717278479
>>717278546
Only played the first one over 25 years ago, so frankly, I don't remember. But the inventory (or rather, the fact that you need to leave shit around and then look for it) is the reason why I get bored of REs in an hour or two.

>>717278630
enjoy anon i just did a key gamble and got two copies of that one. looks kinda fun to just fuck around in

>>717272992
>Siren
Literally nobody played
>Fatal Frame
For permanently online weebs

>>717278776
so your opinion on survival horror doesn't matter? should have opened with that

>>717278973
If this one turns out to be for me, and it sells well, then maybe my opinion will matter more than yours does.

should horror games have health bars?

>>717260229
You say that until someone gets close enough yo hit you in the face.

>>717279207
No, they should have heat gauges

>>717277739
By using the same dream logic that granted firearms to every other Silent Hill protag.

>>717279207
Optional, damage to your character should be displayed with the screen getting increasingly more red and your character limping.

However, since combat is mandatory and a central mechanic for this one, a visible health bar is necessary so you know if you should be more cautious about your approach.

>>717258887 (OP)
>the original Silent Hills made a quarter of a century ago by teams that numbered less than 10 people who also had to built the fucking engine had better hit physics, collision and feedback than this

>>717280529
The schoolgirl superior samurai strength makes it possible, she cuts through her opponents with a Japanese metal pipe folded over 1000 times.

>>717280529
>doesn't even look close to connecting
>no feedback whatsoever
>enemy just randomly jiggles completely independently of the actual hit impact
This really wasn't the best webm you could have posted to supposedly prove your point cause all it's done is just make you look blind cause this looks SO much fucking worse than f. Which is fine by the way since this is literally a fucking PS2 game but don't lie like we're all as blind and stupid as you.

>>717281273
me when I'm gay, blind, retarded and on Konami's payroll

>>717276430
But I don't have a problem with you having insurance, a gun tho..

>>717281358
You don't need to sign your posts here redditor.

>>717279507
Based Cryostasis mention, far better than this tripe being shown off. The hitstop is ridiculous, totally unfitting of a Silent Hill game.

>hill shrines (bonfires)
>you went silent (You died screen)
>touching a hill shrine respawns all enemies and somehow magically restores your ripped clothes
>hill juice (estus flasks)

>>717258965
it's a cheap way to add impact without having extravagant stun animations

>>717281383
Good thing it's not up to your discretion then eh, bud?

>1960s japan post war after america rounded up all the guns
>WHY ARE THERE NO GUNS!?!?!??

also i doubt a japanese highschooler from that time would even know how to use guns in the first place.

>>717281358
that's some huge ass hitbox

>>717281579
Anyone complaining about the lack of guns is a single digit IQ moron. That shit is the LEAST of this game's problems.

So has anybody confirmed if the game has upskirts with real panties yet? This is a deciding factor if I buy it or not.

>>717258887 (OP)
>We want the zoomer audience
Boy that worked so well for Final Fantasy, didn't it?

>>717281713
game was released in 2003, a little outsized hitbox is forgivable, at least the hits have a collider and enemies react to being hit unlike the SH f(lop) and the demake where pipes go through enemies.

>>717282052
>it doesn't count
If you want to pull the "for it's time" bullshit then don't do a direct comparison with all that "this game from back then can do it better" horse shit you started with you goalpost moving faggot.

>>717258965
Because this game was outsourced to rice farmers that didn’t realize that they shouldn’t put fucking Transformers Devastation hitstop into a horror game

>>717282052
>backpedals
concession accepted

>>717281579
Yeah given that it's a rural teenage girl in Japan after they got glassed in WW2, I'm fairly confident she wouldn't even know how to load a gun realistically. Now people can argue about muh realism, but guns in survival horror are always less scary than having to evade enemies or fight them up close. I should not have an option to deal with scary things from a safe distance.

>>717282192
I did not move my goalpost, you sad - sad tranny - SH1, 2 and 3 are indeed better, they are simply not perfect, which is not what I said, but still miles above the UEslop dark souls clone you so desperately want me to buy.

enjoy your last (You), cuckold. dilate with it even.

>>717282501
>absolute damage control not even addressing the contradiction in your initial argument and this new one
>"l-last (you) I'll give you"
KWAB

>>717261484
>Proto Amnesiaslop
>Entire plot rendered meaningless for a retarded “twist”
Fuck no, it was always shit that got astroturfed by faggy journos

>>717280529
Game dev is a lost art

>>717281579
Why would acquiring a gun in a Silent Hill game need to be logical? You find them in baby carriages and gift-wrapped boxes.

>>717282908
Then there equally needs no logic for them not being included too.

>>717277531
RE4. While RE4 itself is a good beat-em-up with guns, retards took the wrong lessons from it and thought that because they were engaged by a well-designed combat system, that meant turd person over-the-shitter = “immersive”.
In reality it’s the exact opposite of immersive if you’re the kind of autist who pays attention to details.
Like in SH2 Remake, Woodside and Blue Creek need to have their rooms and hallways expanded to the size of a ritzy condo even though they’re ostensibly a small, low-rent apartment complex, all because turd person means environments have to be cartoonishly large. Same thing with all other areas in the game that used to be somewhat reasonable in scale and felt like real places, now just feel goofy and video gamey.
We’ve already seen that SHF will be the same way with what should be narrow hallways in the school widened as much as possible so the terrible Eurosouls melee combat can happen.

>>717279481
>someone gets close enough yo hit you in the face.
This is point of having a gun, only retarded cops let someone to get close enough. Shoot first, ask later. Why is this even a question, Silent hill without guns is stupid you fight literally a Alyssas romper that romps people.

>>717261484
If that story stuff is confirmed then damn. Can’t say I quite like how with time Ryukishi has proceeded to become more and more “progressive” with his story ideas. I won’t even say woke because no one’s forcing him to dei include this he actually buys into that shit now which is sad

>>717279207
How re9 will solve a health question. Zombie infection time limit?

>>717261484
skipping this trash for RE9

Combat in these games was always criticized, I think it makes sense they want to revamp it. The ol` excuse of "its a horror game and the combat being ass is part of it" doesnt fly anymore with newer audiences and critics. Lack of guns and focus on mellee is not whats going to make this a good or a bad game, its all in implementation. I understand why some people are pissed at the combat footage, but Im still holding on my evaluation for the actual game, and how it implements it.

>>717283286
Yeah, realistic environments need the old school camera, or first-person. I miss being able to turn into a room and get into a specific shot highlighting some aspect of the environment. It can add to the surreal atmosphere too.

>>717279207
I think some can, but as you go closer towards a grounded horror setting, stat bars and shit become more and more goofy. Tell you what, if your horror game has guns that aren't shit like Resident Evil, you can have health bars. Obviously games like PT clones would only be negatively affected by something like a health bar.

>>717261484
Yeah, skip.

>>717258887 (OP)
Silent Hill was always more about melee than RE and the like so I'm not completely opposed to the idea honestly

>>717284273
You can only fight with guns against flying enemies or else.

>>717258887 (OP)
How is a Japanese school girl going to procure guns?

>>717284273
If they just reused it from SH2R it would’ve been fine but having this damn perfect dodge stamina meter bullshit is too much.

>>717284504
Dead cops?

>>717261484
>source: my ass

>>717258887 (OP)
We're into the
>Silent Hill has always had combat
>But it also had guns, which this game doesn't
part of this old-fan larp?

>>717284428
In SH? For 3, yeah. Though honestly I didn't find it worth it to fight much of anything in 3. Hammer clears every non boss in 1 though. It's stupidly OP

>>717258887 (OP)
It cracks me up that fans have been complaining about the over the shoulder combat gameplay since Homecoming and they haven't changed a fucking thing since. SHfags have it the worst of any fandom I swear.

>>717258887 (OP)
I know this game takes place in the 60s, but I think the combat could have been better justified if you were playing as a delinquent girl lol

>>717272595
reddit opinion

>>717280529
>original silent hill
>posts not the original silent hill
>additionally the webm looks like crap
Huh?

>>717267435
>No combat
Huh? But isn't the end of the fucking game an infinite hallway with infinitely respawning enemies? What the fuck was it then. Like, QTE's? Shining a lamp at them? Nog my joggin here.

>>717258887 (OP)
Hit-stop does the action no favors here. Just looks ridiculous.

>>717284685
It would be fun if Hinako got a magical girl outfit like Heather. Alien tech and stuff.

>>717284943
It had those otherworld sequences where enemies were chasing after you. Sometimes you had to do little tasks, running from safe spot to safe spot. But you were never given any weapons or means to attack them other than pushing them away.

It had an actually pretty neat thematic significance.

>>717285134
>Game just suddenly ends with you getting swarmed by non-threat enemies or solving a weird looping room puzzle

I dunno, no matter how you jerk your pin-dick about it this was total ass.

Silent hill never really had good combat. Good exploration sure, but the combat was never the star. I don't really mind them reinventing it and doing away with the guns tbqh

Just stop making SH titles. The rape of the fan base must end

>>717285559
Until you get alien gun or one shot sword.

>>717279207
Health are just blood, energy or oxygen. With time limit.

>>717258887 (OP)
That they want me to play it

>>717285559
I'd rather have bad combat than combat that while technically good, completely gets in the way of the horror tone. Gameplay unironically comes 2nd to horror in a horror game. I don't care how fun it is if it stops the game from being scary I don't want it.

>>717284990
I hope so

Will they really connect it to When they cry?

>>717258965
this, such an obvious effect. they may as well just scream "WOW SO COOL" every time you attack

>>717284579
literally everything on that list has been confirmed by the journos hyping up the game, anon

>>717289251
>journos

>>717281713
>>717282192
you are complaining about hitboxed being off when the game you are shilling the weapons go through the monste like it's not there, that is worse than a 2 decades old game

>>717284504
cops, licensed hunter, soldiers?

>>717259759
>kotaku
lel

>>717258965
No respect for the 'hood, all clean and shit.

>>717275736
22

>>717261484
>their first own game after only doing RE:sistance
ohnononononnoono

>>717258887 (OP)
>game is called silent hill
>takes place on the other side of the planet from the town silent hill
the fuck were they thinking?

>>717294603
>the name will bring more money

I don't fucking mind it. I don't find it realistic for a Japanese schoolgirl in the 1980's to be using firearms.
>>717259024
They have like 2% gun ownership. That's why in the Yakuza games it's supposed to be all dramatic when people pull guns or grenades even though to us Americans it's like "thats all he brought? An UZI?"

>>717294603
"Silent Hill" has no vertical limit

>>717261484
All of this is great, cope you absolute faggot

>>717258887 (OP)
I love hitstop in games like dmc and mh but this looks retarded lol

>>717261039

>Horror games set in Japan with no guns have been done before, with the most famous one being picrel
>people were fine with it
>now that it's a silent hill game noguns is suddenly a problem

>>717295040
it's a matter of implementation. that clip has the hitstop of something like real impact, despite being a pretty standard attack. cut the length of the hitstop and it'd look and probably feel much better given the kind of attack that's occurring.

>>717295276
>silent hill should drop a longstanding element because [unrelated horror game] never had any

You are retarded.

>>717258887 (OP)
It's silent hill, nigga, not loud bang hill.

>>717295680
you should be more worried about the game not being about the american town of silent hill then, considering how that's like, the single biggest element of the franchise over having guns anon

>>717295680
That's not even the first time they did this though. You get no guns in Short Message either.

>>717290342
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>>717295276
the gameplay with the camera is more conductive to horror than this bad soulslop with 1 hour hitstun

>>717294869

>>717296113
And it was shat on. SM also divided the fandom, but was at least a spin-off that can be liked for the novelty.

>>717297504
Then do the same with this game, how is that hard to do? Shit isn't even in America.

>>717297629
Silent Hill fans and /v/ love to be outraged.

>>717258887 (OP)
That's one of the main reasons I don't enjoy horror games. I just want to be able to shoot and kill monsters. I can't handle games with too much horror in them where you're running away the whole time, it freaks me out too much.

>>717295993
It's the same fogworld/Otherworld aesthetic of Silent Hill but in a Japanese town instead of American, it's technically even closer to the OG's than SH4 was.

Also gameplay and setting are significantly different characteristics of a video game. Some sort of ranged analogue to firearms like archery or black-powder matchlocks would've been fine and fits with you using outright Naginatas and such later. Having none while over-emphasizing how Soulsborne-like your melee is down to even fucking leveling up is a more significant change than the Asian setting.

>>717297629
I already plan do, I'm just also allowed to criticize individual elements that sorely stick out. Like with any franchise. Or is that not black-and-white enough for you?

>>717300484
Damn bitch. Why you not bitching about it being in Japan then?

>>717300639
see >>717300049

>>717300049
I disagree, the silent hills have placed just as much emphasis on melee combat as ranged combat and even had a reaction based defensive mechanics for melee in SH3. them leaning more into the melee side of combat is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to make in conjunction with the shift in setting, but the shift in setting is the much more radical departure.

>>717300763
So what? It's still "individual elements that sorely stick out", bitch.
Hell, bitch about the nip protag too because that's the same shit. All other SH games had you playing as whitey.

>>717273731
really. your fucking bitching about that post because they used the word shit in it?

>>717295276
Fatal Frame is a horror series that could actually do with a reboot/new mechanics. I'd just like them to make a camera simulator where the different lenses and film speeds are ideal in different situations, there are physical stage hazards that you can stumble into if you stay in first person, and it uses all the fancy new raytracing and physics sims that games have to do things like have ghosts only visible as reflections (until you damage them) or have Hunt: Showdown-tier directional audio to locate where they might be in a room.

Stop parroting about muh guns you retarded mutts, this is not even one of the concerns.

>>717300836
Melee was powerful in past SH's, but ammo abundances (aside from maybe 3's SMG, ironically enough) were enough that either way could be played to your preference and on harder difficulties it was a must. 2 Remake nailed it even better: your melee is still useful and the dodging added to the heightened enemy AI, but attempting to solely use it against multiple enemies without firing a few shots will likely get you hurt.

I've even argued in a prior thread that Souls doesn't own the concept of "evade attacks until opening is present", and I'm sure I'll find some enjoyment in whatever F is trying to do here if balanced and paced well, but to advertise itself as such down to the removal of half your approach-options (ranged), awkward hitstop and arbitrary RPG stat elements just to fit within a marketable demographic like RE did with TPS's during the 00's definitely feel like misses here rather than gains.

>>717300838
One weighs heavier than the other unless US buildings were the only reason you liked SH.
There, I simplified it for your third-world brain.

>>717302616
>One weighs heavier than the other unless guns were the only reason you liked SH.
Think fast chucklenuts.

>>717295276
>A game in which you have absolutely no defense against enemies except from a magical camera is the same as a game in which you can beat the shit out of monsters with a pipe

I think there's something of a tonal disparity personally.

>>717258887 (OP)
so far thats the only good thing i've heard about this game

>>717302820
I noticed you didn't say that you beat the shit out of monsters with a gun.

>>717302881
Sorry, can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean. What do guns have to do with it? I was talking about how, tonally, a lack of guns is handled in Fatal Frame versus Silent Hill f.

>>717302695
>half the gameplay weighs heavier than the origin of architecture in your still-Otherworld town setting
Donezo, thirdie.

>>717303061
And I'm saying that you've basically made it clear that you can make do in a Silent Hill game without having guns, which was what >>717295276 is talking about.
You retards hyperfixated on Fatal Frame when the post literally says it's just one example of horror games set in Japan that doesn't use guns.

>>717303102
>guns
>half the gameplay
kekarooo

>>717300838
Did you also stop at SH2 because it wasn't about Alessa's rusty nightmare world, Northern Silent Hill and cult worship? Or did it not bother you because it was still the same game underneath?

>>717303191
Totally agree. I think a Silent Hill game without guns would be great- but if you retain clobbering things with a pipe (complete with dramatic slow-downs) then you're taking away guns just for reasons of mechanics rather than to accentuate the horror in any way.
Fatal Frame was scarier because the only way you can hurt the ghosts is a camera. That is definitely not what we're seeing in Silent Hill f so I don't think it's an apt comparison.

>>717258965
It's so you can cancel out of it and immediately switch into another combo.

>>717303417
I didn't stop at any of those because I'm not the gayass bitch crying at how the new Silent Hill is noguns in Japan makes it have "individual elements that sorely stick out".

This game looks fucking lame. Like, SH was Japanese take on Western stuff. Even though everything looked Western, it was actually based on Japanese stuff. They finally make a game in Japan and it looks fucking lame. Give me a new Fatal Frame or Kuon.

>>717258887 (OP)
I'm still buying Silent Hill F.

>>717303284
>majority of survival horror game is confronting monsters or being ready to confront when backtracking (puzzles are just breaks for pacing)
>usually half your options involve firing bullets

I hope you're not a Twitter circlejerk secondary who thought SH was about running away from every enemy possible.

>>717303571
>give me a new Kuon
That'd be interesting, but I think the story is done. I don't see what else they could bring to the table without retreating old ground.

>>717303728
>>usually half your options involve firing bullets
Guns don't even compromise half of the available arsenal for any Silent Hill game. The closest it gets is SH3 where of the 12 available weapons 5 of them are firearms.

>>717303860
VR, a kuon game with VR support

>>717303502
This.

There's also at least weapon durability to fill in for ammo, and I guess the polearms you seem to get can mix the ranges up, I just hope it isn't as egregious as BotW's paper mache weapons.

>>717303191
They hyperfixated on Fatal Frame and Silent Hill being different games entirely. I'm not going to say mainline Resident Evil should be like Amnesia because the latter worked at horror.

To be honest, SH needed to be like Soma. Combat should be optional. I know SH is an arcade horror game, but at the same time it tries to tell this kind of difficult story, and combat breaks the immersion. They could have made the game have two modes, something like Shattered Stories and an arcade-focused mode. The SS mode would be the main mode, with some light puzzles but narrative-based with a bunch of endings and a non-linear structure, and an arcade mode that has combat and shit.

>>717258965
Japanese games fetishize hit confirmation mechanics like that. It fucking sucks.

>>717271695
>Hitstop
Depends. Not for every fucking attack.

>>717304225
it only sucks when implemented poorly, like basically any and all kind of mechanic or feedback system.

>>717258887 (OP)
I think the new SH could be more about mundane things, its own yokai. The game would be divided between the normal world and the “fog” world. And as the game progresses, the fog gets stronger. SH has a lot of possibilities, with the exception of Memories and 4, which tried to break the formula, most games are the same, and end up suffering for it. Arcade ranking breaks my depressing “guilty” simulator.

>>717258887 (OP)
From the previews, one thing I do like hearing is that in some fights, the right call would be to run away. Like when there's too many enemies.
They also mentioned that in one of those fights with the big blob enemies, it's better to do some kind of puzzle in it than just fighting it directly, because obviously just fighting that thing with only a pipe is stupid.
It really emphasizes the horror more, it's really way too easy in SH games for you to just kill everything.

>>717303890
Putting aside joke unlockable weapons:
>SH1: 4 melee, 3 guns
>SH2: 3 melee, 3 guns
>SH3: 4 melee, 3 guns, 1 taser
>SH4: the actual melee-fest with 2 guns (4 if silver singleshots and spraycan count)
>SHO: environmental melee, also 6 guns
>SHHC: 3 melee, 3 guns
>SHSM: flares
>SHDP: environmental melee + ranged throwables, 5 guns
>SH2R: 1 melee, 3 guns

SH1-3 kept the numbers pretty close, and western SH's that threw in breakable melees everywhere had a proportionate number of firearms or throwables.

>>717305147
>if we don't count all the weapons it's totally close!
I accept your concession.

>>717304859
Yeah I'm holding off on judging the "soulslike" influence until I see it in practice cause if it's hard to incentivise you to run and save resources rather than difficult to please Soulsfags who'll spend 2 hours retrying to beat a boss I'd like it. More horror games need to focus on moment to moment decision making for whether you'll even engage with enemies in the first place.

My favorite silent hill weapon? the portable TV of course.

Guns are smartest when the dev gives you one but heavily restricts the ammo.
>find a policeman's gun
>you only have a handful of usable shots with it because where the fuck would you find ammo for it, aside for the police station?

>>717305147
>SH2R: 1 melee, 3 guns
SH2R has 3 melee weapons. The wooden board, the pipe and the chainsaw.

I don't think she would know how to use a firearm. She would use it as a melee weapon because she is a child, and she is a Japanese child who has never seen a gun in her life.

>>717258887 (OP)
>no animation
okay i see they don't even need demake to make a shit game now

>>717305587
It doesn't really count, you lose the board once you get The pipe which is just a replacement, it does increase the damage slightly however.
Chainsaw is a NG+ unlock

>>717258965
it's to focus of the enemy hit animation (don't react)

Outlast (outsold the entire SH franchise, by the way), combat is optional. So why does SH need combat?

>>717258887 (OP)
Isn't Silent Hill like an actual place in the US though? How is there one set in Japan? Is there a Japanese Silent Hill town? Is it called Silent Hill too?

>>717305832
Outlast doesn't have combat outside of the multiplayer game, bro, and even then that's more of a means of slowing down the enemies.

>>717305832
Silent Hill isn't a walking simulator.

>>717278645
Nah the weapon count thing is only 3 because that how much they got up to the point of stopping playing which was the school, there's likely more weapons you get later on, like it would be retarded to not give the player a Katana as a more powerful option later on.

>>717306001
She's a fucking kid, and the Yokais are probably things she's afraid of. She shouldn't have any way to fight these creatures, since they come from... her head. A hide-and-seek game with lots of interactivity, like Outlast + Lucius. That would be great.

>>717306157
Ok? Wouldn't be Silent Hill

>>717305884
Silent hill as an influence has always affected places outside of it.
Half of the beginning of sh3 happens outside of Silent Hill and sh4 also mostly happens outside of it.

>>717305203
Even with the joke POSTGAME unlockables you desperately relied on for whatever reason it's not far off:
>1: 3 melee, 1 firearm w/ 3 unlocked modes
>2: 1 melee, 1 ranged spray w/ 4 unlocked modes
>3: 3 melee, 4 firearms/ranged
>4: 1 melee, 1 firearm for bitch
>O: 3 melee, 1 firearm
>HC: 1 melee, 1 firearm
>DP: IIRC 1 melee, 1 thrown, 1 firearm
>2R: 1 melee

>>717305884
Why are these threads so full of tourists who pretend to care about the sanctity of the original games despite never having played them?

The game doesn't even take place in the fucking town of Silent Hill. In fact, does this girl have any connection to Alessa? According to the plot of the first game, the fog and the creatures are things created by Alessa's mind. Since she has ESP powers. Unless this child is an ESP herself or the reincarnation of Alessa, this game is not Silent Hill.

I just wanna know how Hinako's farts smell like

>>717306362
Why the fuck do you retards get so opinionated when you don't even know anything about the story of this game?

>>717304859
This, one thing I find annoying about the franchise is how scary the enemies designs are but at one point they just stop being scary because of how easily you can take them out. Making it so that fighting them is actually difficult to the point it's better to haul ass would make them way scarier to fight.

>>717258887 (OP)
>I want my teenage asian school girl to be skillful using guns.

>>717306573
It's a balancing act. Making them too hard but also forcing you to fight them would just completely desensitise you to their presence making them be completely not scary. Horror games should learn more from Subnautica in how more effective horror can be when it's used sparingly.

Silent Hill hasn't been the main setting of the series since Silent Hill 2.

>>717304859
>the right call would be to run away. Like when there's too many enemies.
hopefully they follow through with this, but I kind of doubt it, at least in any meaningful capacity.

>>717308330
Well the game is described as being pretty open and allowing you to go where you want.

>>717259351
>>717261094
iirc she's a track & field enjoyer unless i'm mixing my prerelease material up. so she should have some stamina/endurance beyond an average no sports person

>>717308378
I don't trust devs or journos anymore, especially when it comes to survival horror games. TEW also promised a slew of things that went straight down the gutter, and just ended up being the devs talking out of their ass.
it was still a decent game, but it was no where close to what was promised.

>>717308665
It makes me mad how much better TEW would have been as a horror game if it wasn't trying too hard to be RE4. If any horror game would have benefited from having enemies be optional it would have been TEW.

>>717308665
I dunno if it were just the devs themselves saying it without anything to back it up then I'd probably not believe it either but the fact that plenty of journos have played a 5 hour slice and described it that way leaves me little reason to doubt it. Like sure the devs could lie about stuff but what reason would journos have to lie about that?

>>717308740
I knew it wasn't going to be what was promised from the early gameplay teasers, but I still had some hope.
>>717308954
>but what reason would journos have to lie about that?
because they're in bed with the devs/publishers, anon.

>>717305203
>if you don't count Heather's magic girl eyelasers and overkill postgame chainsaws you conceded lol

are you actually retarded

>>717303550
No, you're just gayass bitch crying over a quote stuck in your head because they criticized your Souls game.

>>717309052
>because they're in bed with the devs/publishers, anon.
Anon you have to use logic when you want to make these arguments. There are times when journos would benefit from lying to help devs out but there are times, like this one where lying would cause more harm than good, also the sheer amount of journos that have said it leaves me to believe they're telling the truth cause Konami is not that big that they can buy out every single one of them. If giants like Bethesda can't then how the fuck is Konami? I'm not saying you have to take their word for it still but being adamant that they're lying just sounds retarded to me like you're trying too hard to stretch logic to fit a narrative.

Choose

>>717309189
>he says, in spite of the OP of the thread
lol
lmao

>>717273229
No hes right. The hitstop in that webm is very excessive. Most action games have hitstop but not that much.

>>717309397
I FUCK AND MARRY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!

>>717281358
bodied that freak

>>717258887 (OP)
>>717276871
Teenage Japanese high school girls are way too powerful...

>>717308330
I think it's highly possible, the combat seems to be mostly focussed on 1 on 1 duels and if there's an encounter with 2 or more enemies then it's likely better to run away. And I'm sure there will be plenty of encounters with multiple enemies at once.
Combat in horror games always shine when it has limitations.

>>717258887 (OP)
>Silent Hill reboot
>action slop
Lmao

>>717309194
>but there are times, like this one where lying would cause more harm than good
we're well past that point, anon.