Thread 717284442

>Muh 4K giga ultra supersampled
>Muh 480Hz mega hyper interpolated motion blurred

None of that shit matters if the colors and contrast are dogshit. HDR does a whole lot more to gaming than marketable numeric inflations ever can, and the best part is that you don't need an expensive supercomputer to power through it.

>>717284442 (OP)
that image makes no sense because i have a non hdr monitor

>>717284442 (OP)
I don't have HDR and my image never looks like the left.

>>717284442 (OP)
What a retarded image. The one on the left just has a lot more bloom, HDR/SDR does not differ in bloom values.

>>717284525
>>717284583
>>717284641

>>717284442 (OP)
I was playing Expedition 33 just last week on my 15 year old LCD TV and it looked okay. Bought a Sony Bravia OLED with HDR Friday after work and it is insane how much better it looks. I can't wait to get home from work.

I'm not interested in sidegrades anymore and the price for a 4k 120hz+ oled hdr monitor is out of my budget so I'll stick with mediocre 1440p 144hz tn panel for a long time.

I'm still satisfied with my 1080p Plasma.

>>717284790
But I'm on an SDR monitor and I still see the high contrast HDR part on the right side

>>717284790
I still see the right image perfectly on my nonHDR monitor, this is a nothingburger

>>717284442 (OP)
That's like selling color tvs via tv advertising to black & white televisions.

>>717285079
Congrats you found out why HDR is a scam

>>717284790
>detail visible with HDR
>in SDR the detail is uhhh all blown out because of the light blooming 5x more
it doesn't work that way at all. Are you retarded?

>>717284442 (OP)
I just got a new monitor. Ill be honest, the higher resolution, oled panel and ridiculous refresh rate were a way bigger game changer than hdr for me.

if you're using Chrome on an HDR compatible system you can actually upload HDR images to 4chins now.

>>717284442 (OP)
you must be playing on a nintendo switch or gameboy if you think anything under 4k in 2025 is acceptable

>>717285149
HDR shows detail in ranges outside of SDR where there's no data since it's out of range. Why is this so hard to understand?

>>717285127
https://ironicsans.ghost.io/the-optical-illusion-that-let-black-and-white-tvs-show-color/

>>717284790
>>717284442 (OP)
i wonder how many people actually fall for shit like this without realizing you can only tell the difference if you have 2 seperate monitors in front of you

why yes of course I want to have to wear sunglasses while I play video games

How is HDR such a mismanaged technology? It will never take off when you have to constantly toggle it because HDR mode makes anything not HDR look awful.

>>717285872
Still in its infancy.

>>717285149
>SDR detail is blown out because of artifacts that only happen under SDR
Woah, genius observation, Einstein.

>>717284790
> HDR demonstration through a 256 color .gif...

OK

>>717285149
its blown out since its clipping since SDR has limited range for max brightness
in SDR there is no diffrence betwen a sheet of paper "white" and the sun, when then sun is a bilion times brighter
in HDR the range is larger so you get more information, gif shows just an HDR vs SDR image at diffrent exposure

in real life it looks the same, so if your monitor brightness is perfectly set to match the displayed image it looks fine, but in reality all monitors have diffrent brightnesses and settings, so it will look washed out

and i mean you dont need a HDR capable monitor, just fucking look outside your window, then look at your screen, and the difference in brightness dark values and detail will be obvious
And if you want to be tryhard take a photo of your window, and display it and then compare to what you see with your eyes, since a perfect display will reproduce what you see

>>717284442 (OP)
HDR should be the left image. It makes everything look like it has a gray tint to it. What are you trying to do with these stupid ass lies? Shit is garbage.

>>717288483
based autoHDR user

>>717288483
fix your monitor settings, retard

>>717284442 (OP)
HDR fucking sucks on windows.
Games could easily toggle HDR by themselves if the devs gave half a shit, but instead you have to turn on HDR before booting up any game.
>Oh, just have it on all the time
HDR fucking sucks on Windows

>>717288023
>just fucking look outside your window,
The SDR reference white is around 200 nits, which is equivalent to thick rainy clouds. It won't do any good if you're British.

>>717284442 (OP)
I hear HDR is ALWAYS poorly implemented in video games so why should I bother?

>>717288743
SDR reference is 120 nits, though sometimes 80nits is used.

>>717285972
Then why release it at all? Would you not want to get it properly working before you put it on the market? It’s like they knew this would be something new to shill tv’s with so they rushed it on the market at a markup so they can cash in with [NEW THING]

>>717288674
There is no fixing my settings. SDR looks better and HDR puts a great tint to everything. It's a gimmick bullshit piece of shit fuck you.

>>717288915
80 nits is the sRGB standard. They use 203 nits on HDR mastering as the reference SDR white.

>>717288697
I dunno if it's a windows or Nvidia bug, but if i have HDR on and i let my monitor go to sleep while playing a game. It won't wake up. I have to restart my computer.

>>717284442 (OP)
It's interesting that you believed I wouldn't KNOW
that this photo was taken in PIAZZA VIGNAIOLI of RIOMAGGIORE overlooking the restaurant LA LAMPARA

>>717284790
>both look the same at the brightest I intend to play the game at
You're not doing a good job of marketing this thing

>>717289693
That is an Nvidia bug. Supposedly that was squashed several driver revisions ago.

it's braindead easy to tell if a monitor has hdr enabled or not

>>717284442 (OP)
It's almost like it's a good thing that the 500hz OLEDs that are coming out all have HDR as well, so you get both things regardless.

Why are wide gamuts such a scam?

>play RE2R
>turn HDR on, fix with renoDX
>walk through decontamination chamber just before G3
>get blinded by the blue lights
feels good man

>>717289049
Money.

HDR is a meme - just look at the switch 2 for all the proof.

Everyone everywhere when they buy a device with HDR comes to the conclusion that turning it off looks better because HDR is dog shit.

>>717284442 (OP)
Didn't we figure out HDR 10 years ago?

>>717293395
apparently not
https://ventspace.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/games-look-bad-part-1-hdr-and-tone-mapping/

>>717284442 (OP)
HDR is not really about the colors and contrast but the highlights and supposedly showing the content how the creator intended but more often than not it just look pretty awful compared to SDR.

>>717293395
This is the OTHER type of HDR.

>>717284442 (OP)
I'm a bigger believer of HDR than 4K but color science is an absolute nightmare and HDR implementations on consumer TVs range from okay to barely functional
Implementing HDR support will leave you more confused than before you learnt anything about it

>>717293906
Still not gonna buy your shitty displays. My 12yo Philips perfect

>>717294057
>when you don't calibrate

It's easy to prove it like this.
Without HDR the sign looks white and you can't read the letters, but if you have HDR you will be able to see the additional colors, in this case pink, and be able to read the white letters like in the screenshot.

https://youtu.be/SiryvrStb8E?si=lPCGRnM1ueV-0W8z

/thread

>>717288697
>but instead you have to turn on HDR before booting up any game
I have never had this bug before. I'm on Windows 11 latest version.

>trying to explain to retards/poors who can't afford it how HDR makes everything look much better
It's not worth it bro. let it die

It's weird but ever since I got my oled steam deck I've been seeing "HDR" in real life a lot. I can't even articulate it but it's like certain lights just stick out of the world in a way I never noticed before.

>>717294947
it's because you are literally getting more colors at the hardware level. No reshade or messing with the contrast will give you more colors.

>>717293395
it wasn't HDR but rather it dynamically adjusted the exposure of the scene

>>717295172
Idk if it's just that. Seeing certain highlights popping out of the screen is like rewiring how I expect displays to look.

This "HDR" is it still a small number of retarded dimming zones?

>>717284442 (OP)
This picture is bait, SDR doesn't look like this you fucking nigger

>>717294749
How come I can see the text in your pic then on my sdr screen?

>>717295172
>just download more colour

>>717295668
You can convert an HDR screenshots into SDR, the picture will still never look the same but it's just good enough. The point is that with an HDR display you can see the pink sign and the white letters very clearly, but if you open the video on an SDR screen the whole thing is white. Funnily enough, the reflection on the floor of that same sign looks pink on SDR.

>>717294749
Hmm that's interesting, I really don't see white letters in SDR but see them in HDR

Nobody needs more than srgb anyway.

>>717296361
>nobody needs more than 480p
>nobody needs more than 24fps
>nobody needs more than 48k of ram
>nobody needs more than 1.5mb of disk space
>nobody needs more than 9gb DVD drive space
>nobody needs more than sRGB
poors are fucking retards

>>717296560
Except vidya was at its peak when all of those statements were true.

>>717296560
>YOU NEEEEED 8K 190hz 30GB VRAM & 4TB SSD to play brown doody 5000

>>717284442 (OP)
Explain to a brainlet why you need some meme technology for the monitor to light up pixels brighter.
Try to make it make sense.

>>717296987
it makes things look closer to real life, especially lights and highlights.

>>717295965
it's because SDR monitors can't display that specific tone of white. it's like asking a motorcycle to fly.

Don't mind me, just turning on my screen's HDR mode

>>717296987
look gooder

I still game on a 1080p TV with no HDR
The thing refuses to die

lmao HDR10 (and HDR10+ is used by nobody). We all get to be fucked by dolby!*

*except in games because nobody supports dolby output for vidya

I have 2 TVs in my house that have HDR (an LG and a Sharp) and I had to disable it in both of them because all it does is make everything super dark and impossible to see.

I fucking hate all these tv manufactures as well as film directors thinking that everyone is sitting in a pitch black room to use their content.

>>717284442 (OP)
480hz are the grapes.

>>717297229
>"standard"
>isn't actually a standard
HDR is such a joke

>>717297324
>shocked that a cinema standard is based around being in a dark room

>>717297501
How are those subtitles treating you?

>>717297095
>>717297113
Why do you need meme technology for it if the monitor can just light up pixels anyway?

>>717294749
Those virtual japan videos are great.

>>717297480
I don't even care to upgrade from 60Hz, it really doesn't matter.

>>717297145
this you?

>>717297689
Here;s the magic anon - outside of oleds modern display technology can't light up individual pixels, only groups of them.

>>717297770
Enjoy your stroboscopic effects.

>>717284442 (OP)
The human eye can't tell the difference between dark and light

>>717297674
THX died so you can have inaudible speech.

>>717297818
"I'm in this picture, and unbothered"

>>717296687
>video games were at its peak when I was playing Chuckie Egg.
no it wasn't

>>717298086
I'd say james pond robocod.

>>717296860
>poors proving my point
well done

>>717297865
Yeah it doesn't matter. I just play games.

A computer? Why would I need that meme box anyway? Just another plot by the elites to keep you away from free stick and circle entertainment, the best form of entertainment, mind you.

>>717297818
No, I think those people are retarded. Games look amazing these days

>>717284442 (OP)
Bros wtf I can see the difference on my regular old 1080p ViewSonic from 2011 did they sneak in HDR for me as a treat???

Far cry 5 with HDR is real fuckin' neato.

>>717284442 (OP)
Unless you use your TV to view photos or spreadsheets - the only thing that matters is motion clarity.
And both OLED and LCD fail completely.

>>717299570
Motion clarity won't matter for shit now that everything has diarrhea compression and generative upscaling

>>717299570
This is why MiniLED is king among displays.

>>717284442 (OP)
>None of that shit matters if the colors and contrast are dogshit
That's an art designer issue, not tech flaw.

>>717301428
Nobody needs more than 600:1 anyway.

>>717296987
With SDR, it's assumed that the brightest signal you can send to the monitor (#FFFFFF) is going to be a "comfortable white". Bright highlights can never exceed this white level.
In HDR, you still have your "comfortable white", but it's defined MUCH lower in the code values, so there's plenty of room for bright highlights to outshine UI elements.

>>717285872
This is either a crappy OS implementation or a crappy hardware implementation. SDR content when HDR is enabled should look no different whatsoever than if HDR was disabled. I'm on Bazzite and the only way I can tell that HDR is even on is if I try to display some HDR content because of how perfect the SDR compositing is.
Windows, on the other hand, has a shit nonsensical piecewise gamma curve that ruins and heavily lifts the image in the shadow regions.

>>717303024
>dials down screen brightness to 50%
HDR!

>>717290948
Im on the latest driver and i can confidently say this bug hasn't been fixed.

>>717288743
>>717288915
>>717289301
SDR doesn't have a reference Nit level. "Paper white" (aka peak brightness for SDR) is set in accordance to the user's preference (which can be brighter or dimmer depending on their environment). Professional color grading is often done at 80 nits, due to their darkened, specialized environment, but home consumption is often done at around 120-250 nits.
Most HDR formats are absolute, but even they are treated in a relative manner in many implementations (Linux Plasma, for instance, scales HDR brightness to your SDR brightness settings, and Android will do the same). It's technically improper and out of spec, but it's a more sensical way to do it.

>90% of /v/ are children who only game on a rinky-dink little gaming monitor.
The opinions you get here are skewed. Anyone with a house and a bit of cash knows that a giant ass TV is perfection.

>>717303751
only konsole babies play on TVs

>>717303397
No? That photo is just at a lower exposure.
Though HDR, in its purest form, is just "brighter colors". One of the things I did before I had a proper HDR screen is that I would make SDR versions of my projects, rendered at a lower exposure, then send them to my OLED phone, put the brightness up way high, and display the image. This was a good way to "fake" HDR.
...Though I can't say I fancied exiting the image and being blinded by a searingly bright UI. I much prefer working in actual HDR, where the image can get bright but the UI stays at a reasonable level.

>>717284921
do you not know the definition of the word "sidegrade", retard-kun?

>>717303912
ok, enjoy your immersive experience on a 24inch monitor and headphones lmao

>>717304065
Giant TVs for PC gaming are a meme until 8640p TVs at a reasonable refresh rate come out.

I learned through a course that HDR is stacking a dozen different exposures into a singular layer so that you can see clearly the darkest dark and the lightest light.
Is this not HDR? I don't think any image posted here can portray that clearly especially on a dim lcd monitor.

>>717293395
For this as example I think of just adjusting the scale of visible gradient so a dark room the scale lowers but leaving it outside it adjusts to a lighter gradient but the game textures aren't color or gamma corrected so pure black splotches in something will still be so.

>>717304327
keep coping, screenlet

>>717304905
>Is this not HDR?
It is one of many meanings the letters H D R have taken throughout the years. What you learned is properly known as "Exposure bracketing".
>I think of just adjusting the scale of visible gradient so a dark room the scale lowers but leaving it outside it adjusts to a lighter gradient
And this, also referred to as HDR in the past, is known as Eye Adaption.
The "HDR" being discussed in this thread is what I personally call "extended luminance range", and it refers to the branch of display technology that can output physically brighter colors, and the image formats needed to store this data.

I like playing video games in the dark and HDR sounds like a good way to blind myself even more.
Really I just wish I had an OLED or something for pure blacks.

>>717304912
>screenlet
Don't think those TVs go to 240hz or higher. So you're the real screenlet. NTA but i needed to chime in because the TV elitists are indeed console tards.

>>717306812
Doesn't it go the other way too? If you had SDR content and you wanted to make the darkest shade actually OLED black/off, then the rest of your image would be too dim.

>>717284442 (OP)
this is actually a decent representation, impressive

>>717284641
>>717284525
>>717285113
>>717285141
>>717285149
Wow you're all absolutely braindead retards, congrats. Almost on the levels of nigs failing the hypothetical breakfast question

>>717297480
There's a reason why we add motion blur to games.

>>717284442 (OP)
wow the one on the right looks so much better!
oh wait, my monitor is in sdr mode.
oh wait, it's actually the fault of developers for not using existing color space well
oh wait, it's all just a limitation of the lighting models that they are forced to use.

>>717284442 (OP)
irony is that screenshots are usually the opposite

>>717309319
>falls for marketing scams
>calls other braindead

>>717309326
The reason we add motionblur is because it's simply necessary to depict realistic motion on an display. You eyes cannot do it by themselves naturally because you're not looking at real life with an infinite refresh rate. The type of motion blur your eyes creates from an lcd screen is completely different (but can be removed with BFI)

But it's still shit to see useless motionblur on camera motion, so the best compromise is to leave motionblur on scenery for racing games exclusively, and everything else should only have motionblur on characters, projectiles, weapons etc

>>717309568
I'm sorry you have a below 80 iq, that must be horrible.

ITT: Retards that know nothing about color theory and digital imagery.
The OP depicts a simulation of lowered camera exposure. This is what it would look like if you took a picture with your phone of two screens next to each other with the sun through a window right behind them to trigger camera darkening, i.e. contracting pupils. Obviously, you can't just compare two screenshots as is, for you would need HDR in the first place to see the difference.

I want to build a new PC and get an oled monitor but I do work and goon to chatbots a lot and I'm afraid of burn in

>>717309659
even someone with a below 80 iq can see you wasted your money

>>717296560
>>nobody needs more than 9gb DVD drive space

The Xbox 360 was the only thing protecting us from 500GB bloat

>>717288697
Allow me to blow your mind
https://github.com/Codectory/AutoActions

>>717306812
That's not true at all
On any games with proper HDR or using RenoDX you can adjust the HDR values to whatever you want, so you can stick to about 300nit peak and 150nits paper white.
That way you won't get blinded (not that some OLED will ever blind you lol) and you get the rest of the HDR's benefits (better contrast, much better tonemapping with no shitty washed out raised blacks, higher lightning details, and high color depth)

The claim that HDR is only useful if you have 100000 nits are completely untrue and only perpetuated by idiots who don't understand how it work, why it work and likely don't even have the proper hardware for it.

>>717284442 (OP)
the left image is what HDR content looks like on non SDR screens you moron

>>717309863
Make sense that you're also poor.

>>717310074
LMAO no, that's wrong, you're retarded. HDR content on sdr screen will simply not be tonemapped so it would horribly white and washed out.

>>717309719
this is correct.

>>717303751
>caps out at 120hz
>perfection
lol
get on with the times
you can get an IPS with better refresh rates than that for $100

do none of you own a oled smartphone?

use YouTube app at 100% brightness and see how good HDR looks

https://youtu.be/-qwuY0f6xuA?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/hVvEISFw9w0?feature=shared

>>717289698
>There are lamps near our restaurant
>Let's call our restaurant The Lamp
Britbong pubs are less retarded but still retarded. People couldn't read so they just name their pubs after random animals and put a picture of it outside.

>>717294749
Damn that looks comfy. I can walk to nice places where I'm at in Houston, but the walks aren't comfy, partially because of the homeless.

>>717296560
This, but almost unironically.
1080p closely matches the original HD standard from the 80's.
60FPS (fields per second) has been the standard since the invention of TV's.
4GB RAM has always been the hard cap of 32-bit CPU's that the original Doom ran on.
Disk space was always superfluous when you could stream data off optical media.
Blu-Ray set the gold standard of game size that nobody should surpass to this day.
And indeed, you don't need more than sRGB. CRT's are God's own perfection.

>>717310340
the "lampara" is not just a lamp, it is a special lamp used for fishing at night, to draw in the fish before casting the net.
It implies they serve fish in the restaurant

>>717310390
We would be a LOT happier if shit was just cheap and worked well, especially for gaming. Good looking games are great and all but not at the cost of your kidney and your performance.

>>717309531
This guy think he's smart for this post.
I bet he thinks he knows all about this too and that he's totally correct
Lmao

>>717295510
The number of dimming zones depends on how big the screen is and how much you're willing to pay.

My AOC Q27G3XMN 27" has 336 and costs ~$300. Looks way better and cost $200 less than Samsung LC32HG "HDR" I bought 7 years ago.

>>717310562
This guy think he's smart for this post.
I bet he thinks he knows all about this too and that he's totally correct
Lmao

>>717309326
Turning on motion blur is no different to turning off the monitor as a valid solution.
>>717309608
Motion blur isn't realistic. Your eyes can transfer information through things that would blur it from being fast. That information is lost and destroyed if you emulate the blur on the screen.

>>717310107
every TV now is HDR so if you think that's a money flex you must be poor

>>717309531
>Watch movie on projector
>really washed out and gray

>Watch movie on SDR monitor/tv
>slightly washed out and gray

>Watch movie on cheap HDR montior/tv
>barely washed out and gray

Just get the HDR monitor they're pretty affordable. You don't have to get the OLED ones.

>>717310951
that's just brightness

>>717310802
Every TV is "HDR Ready" the same way screens used to be "HD Ready". It's not the same as being the actual thing.

>>717311473
there isn't a single monitor or TV that says "HDR Ready" what the fuck are you even talking about

>tendo makes an """"HDR""" capable screen
>suddenly HDR shilling everywhere

>>717309319
What do you mean you stupid tendie? I did have breakfast today retard

>>717311136
Yes? And how you implement the brightness affects the image quality.

IE for projectors they have RGB color wheels. There are RGBW color wheels with a "white" portion for more brightness and the image looks even more washed out.

For WOLED monitors and TVs they would put a white pixel next to the RGB pixels instead of behind them for more brightness and the image looks washed out.

>>717311610
It's almost as if the bad LCD on the Switch 2 gives leverage to OLED's that are naturally proficient at HDR without using dirty tricks with horrible blooming artifacts.

>>717285501
Youre a retard. An hdr display set to hdr tonemaps sdr content to srgb.

>>717312745
My man, the switch 2's screen isn't even capable of HDR, it's a fucking edge lit LCD

>>717311584
https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/GS27QA
https://ca.msi.com/Monitor/G273CQ
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XR342CK-bmijqphuzx-Monitor-Adaptive-Sync/dp/B075LSVK6V

Forza Horizon 3 was the first HDR game I played and as soon as night hit in the game world I was sold on the tech absolutely incredible.

>>717284880
Take some time to dig into the settings.

>>717313514
so cheap SDR monitors that can take a HDR signal? that isn't like 99% of TVs made today bro

>>717285079
It's simulated

>>717289102
No it certainly does not.
It gives more range between darks and blacks.
If you're seeing a gray tint, you don't have your color profile correctly set.

I can't believe I'm actually seeing retards thinking SDR is better than HDR.

>>717310037
>better contrast, much better tonemapping with no shitty washed out raised blacks,
This isn't true though. HDR benefits only by facilitating brighter luminance output and, if the content has it, a wider color gamut. But the idea that it provides better contrast is a myth (it may present itself in the accurate reproduction of bright, saturated, beyond-SDR colors that were previously tonemapped to SDR white in a Filmic manner), and "better shadow detail" is an outright lie which is ENTIRELY dependent on the color grade.

>>717315368
>paying more to get your eyes radiated

imagine thinking otherwise

>>717316190
Not all of us spend 100% of our time in our mother's dingy, dimly-lit basement.

>>717315243
>It gives more range between darks and blacks.
Dark and black handling is entirely based on the color grade. HDR does not give "better" darks and blacks compared to SDR.
If that anon is turning on HDR and the SDR content looks at all different, either you calibrated HDR incorrectly, your OS sucks at compositing SDR content in HDR (looking at you, Windows), or your monitor sucks at HDR. SDR content in HDR and the same SDR content in SDR should be perceptually identical.

HDR is absolute trash with poor implementation. 99.9% of people do not know how to set it up properly and without intuitive solutions and proper support it will never be standardized.

>>717314414
It definitely is. The vast majority of people buy cheap dogshit as long as it checks the right boxes. My mother's 4K Philips TV looks absolutely horrendous with HDR activated, so I had to disable it for her.

>>717285872
>>717285972
Dolby Vision pretty much solved the problem with HDR, at least for movies/shows. Basically in DV every frame has color/brightness metadata that tells the TV/monitor the best way to display it. You don't need to adjust any picture settings because it's all set by the metadata of the content.

Regular HDR has static metadata, basically telling the TV hey here's the peak brightness, figure it out.

Dolby Vision looks fantastic every time I see content with it. There's a few games that have DV but idk which.

>>717318496
>Dolby Vision pretty much solved the problem with HDR
A genuine solution involves non proprietary tech that is easily implemented by all. Dolby Vision fails from the outset.

>>717318609
Somewhat true, kinda like how alot of movies are mastered with DTS but most speakers wont accept the format because Dolby wants a monopoly on the market. Too many different companies are fighting over this with different formats. Would be nice if one just "won" like bluray did so we only have one format.