Thread 717307220

Why don't they just do a balance patch? It's not the 90s anymore, we have technology.

>>717307220 (OP)
Balance patches are a curse. It's better to leave games as they are and if they die, they die. Should have designed them better in the first place.
That said I do wish they could make Wolverine better and give everyone actually good colors.

>>717307334
This. Make it right the first time. If anything, devs should add options for character tweaking of things like hit box sizes and damage %. Let the fans determine their own autistic tastes.

>it couldn't be done in the 90s

retard thread

>>717307334
This

MvC2 is too much of a sacred cow to balance for the FGC. Dudes have just accepted that Mags, Sent, Psy, etc. are the gods. The safer option is balance patching 3. its a more recent release and even though it's not a borked as 2. a lot players would like to see Hsien-ko and Iron Fist get buffed, many hate Zero, Morri and Vergil and 3 players are wondering if it will get rollback anyway.
There's also audio bugs in the more recent ports they could tackle and Replays and hitsphere display are stuck in the vita version they could move over.

>>717307220 (OP)
No one who actually plays wants that. It might be interesting for a week or two but most of the community is just playing for nostalgia

>>717307220 (OP)
you'll piss off grandpa

>>717307220 (OP)
No, just make a new one thats 2v2 with ugly 3d models instead. Ideally with a retarded new control scheme too.

>>717307220 (OP)
I remember always playing as that black humanoid-cat creature with the black mane. No idea if it's good or not, but that's what I liked to play as when I was a kid.

>>717310246
And serves as a shill for the mcu?

>>717307334
>>717308421

They could release a balance patch, and leave the older version available. Something like that remix version or whatever of SFIV.

>>717309758
it's better to be pissed off than pissed on
AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
Seriously though, Capcom could do it if they make a version select. If the balance ends up worse, everyone would go back to the old version. If it's better, zoomers would gravitate towards it quicker than oldheads but the oldheads might want to try new teams anyway. Crossplay would need to be implemented at this point though because of the playerbase split.
>>717310874
this.

>>717308421
sounds like a lot of work for something barely anyone would even play

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>>717307220 (OP)
Marvelfags play their game like how they like their steak. If you do it differently then it's wrong.

people who like the versus games like the total lack of balance

People play mvc2 because they want to use the broken characters.

>>717311280
>>717311215
thread solved

>>717311079
dudes already play it on parsec for long distances. MT framework engine already can work with rollback because that's what the collection runs on. They would just need to apply it to UMvC3.

I watch a lot of modded Marvel 3. They have a ton of extra characters now.

>>717307220 (OP)
>see DBFZ

>>717311664
it's nice they brought Saki in from her TvC appearance.

I used to want balance patches for games like this, but looking at the current state of games I think patch culture is worse. Balance and intention is more important to devs than fun nowadays. If something is good and wasn't intended to be, it gets completely gutted. And even though there's shit I hate about older games like a lot of moves punishing you for using them, sometimes it surprisingly adds identity to a character. In the modern era, it's as if people forgot to enjoy games as they are, and devs respond by making games blend together more and more rather than embracing their unique identity.

>>717307220 (OP)
>he thinks there's such thing as balance in fighting games
fgcfag in a nutshell

>>717311215
not me at least. I like 2 for the speed and giant roster, 3 for the combo autism and edgy roster picks, and Infinite for certain mechanics like active tag and counter tag. I wish more characters were viable so that tier lists can be contentious and team mirrors don't pollute top 8s in tournaments.

>>717307220 (OP)
>why don't they ruin it?
Not worth the squeeze.

>>717313464
>NOOOOOOOOOOO THE SUPER STRONG GUY SHOULDNT BE WAY FUCKIN BETTERRRRR IM A PLUCKY SPEEDSTER!

>2025
>Still no Punisher playable in a MvC game
what the FRANK

>>717307220 (OP)
mvc2 was never good

>>717307220 (OP)
This has been tried before in multple other classic games (ST, CvS2, Kof98, A3, etc.), whenver a new patch or iteration happens after the fact by developers going back and trying to rebalance the old game the players bitch and moan that it isn't the "true" version and they go back to the previous shit they played on an arcades when they were 12.

>>717311008
zoomies are playing tokon

>>717307220 (OP)
evo ran the broken version of cvs2 not the balanced patch version ggpo

>>717307220 (OP)
The "communities" for these games are made up of 45yo boomers who will have a heart attack if they have to relearn the game.

>>717316121
tokon deez nuts nigga

>>717316437
>>717316437
this

>>717311207
3 fags at least have self respect and get tired of having the same 6-9 top tiers when other characters still appear regularly

>>717307334
Shut up you dumb old faggot

>>717317015
>karate niggas after the balance patch

>>717311215
Not me. There are more people who dropped 90s and 2000s fighting games than because of lopsided tier lists making the game stale than people who stuck around with it through the years.

>>717316018
Those players should not have been listed to be TOs, and we should stop listening to them now. Don't let the top players decide the community rules.

>>717310432
>I remember always playing as that black humanoid-cat creature with the black mane. No idea if it's good or not
Do you mean blackheart?
https://youtu.be/7AgEDE8iIJw

>>717307220 (OP)
The fightcade community for the game often plays with a ratio list, which controls which characters you can pick together.

>>717316437
I'm a 40 year old boomer and I argue hard for new rulesets for these old games. Playing a game with the same 8 or so characters viable out of a roster of 56 in perpetuity is retarded.
People just have to tell some other people to shut the fuck up and deal with it when it comes to things. Notably, the people who care about the long-term health of the game vs the top players who don't want to lose their tech they have come to rely on for easy wins.

>>717316208
Yeah, that was pretty depressing to see.

>>717307220 (OP)
communities are stubborn and it's very likely that a balance patch will just make the game worse. MvC2 is one of those lucky games where the top tiers are among the most fun to play in addition to being incredibly deep while requiring high levels of execution. As you've seen with modern games there's no guarantee that they'd actually balance things in a good way. That said it's a worthwhile dream to have because there's a ton of obvious shit they could do that would make a lot of characters more viable/interesting or take down top tiers a very slight notch. I don't think many people would complain about stuff like roll being able to beatplane in the air like she could in 1 for example

>>717307220 (OP)
They literally did. People have made fan balance patches for every remotely popular old fighting game and no one ever plays them because they like the games the way they are, which is why they're even playing them 30 years later.

>>717317502
>Playing a game with the same 8 or so characters viable out of a roster of 56 in perpetuity is retarded.
MvC2 doesn't work like that. A team is a character, and there are quite a few viable teams. I actually played the game for real for a good while and low tiers are more annoying than top tiers. Top tiers keep the really dumb shit in check. The game becomes *less* balanced when you pull that good ass meta pool off the table.

>>717317502
>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO MOVE ON FROM BELOVED CHARACTERS
No. I will play a young Ken in SFA3 in dignified perpetuity whilst the rabble march raggedly down paths of decay and ghoulish proclivities.

I know for sure the characters I grew up with are cool. Can you say the same?

>>717310874
If you mean the mod, SF4 remix is a garbage meme with a taco meter. If you mean Omega mode, that's not a rebalance as much as it was an early testing ground for gameplay concepts and characters that would eventually get added in SFV and 6.

>>717317765
disingenuous post
fuck off

>>717313464
MVC2 is especially bad, in the sense that 90% of the roster isn't competetively viable. If you aren't playing a meta team made up of at least 2 of the top 6 characters, you might as well not play the game. Really the game should just get a patch that buffs the low tiers without touching the top tiers, but every attempt to patch it has included those nerfs no one wants.

itd be cool if re-releases got optional balance patch modes you could play separate from the original balancing

>>717317779
Dumbass doesn't even know what the fuck I'm talking about here. Your Ken (who is not even top tier in A3) would still be fine, moron.

>>717317894
Sentinel needs a health nerf at a minimum and nobody disagrees

>>717317765
>there are quite a few viable teams
Why do you lie? There's fewer viable teams than viable characters because most of the viable teams run some mix of magneto/storm/sentinel. There are maybe 2 competetively viable teams that don't run those, and they're still objectively working much harder to win. Shit like Anakariscurse doesn't hold up in tournament, you need to play those top tiers to win.

None of you seem to understand that bunch of literal teenagers and college students in southern california made the rules for competitive fighting games 27 years ago and their word is absolute law that can never be challenged. The arcade version is the tournament standard, and that's it, forever. Don't like it? You're probably a scrub. What's your fightcade ID? If I beat you in match that means your argument is invalid.

>>717311215
i don't, because the average person just plays whatever's cracked

>>717313464
>>717317894
i'd take just fixing infinites or making them more difficult, and making the weaker chars better

>>717317890
What do you know about the game lol?

>>717318156
Infinites and body infinites are so much of what people like about MVC2, you couldn't possibly remove them and expect people to still like it. People are just mad they didn't get a good new marvel game to play, and I can't blame them.

>>717317765
>quite a few viable teams
Every team in the top 8 of evo had at least one of magneto, sentinel, or storm. Often two of them, and then the third character was one of maybe three or four potential picks.

>>717317997
>Your Ken
>not even top tier
What the hell do I do now?

>>717307220 (OP)
Crazy how they can go inside Capcom Fighting Collection 2 and give Alpha 3 the Max treatment, wonder why there no threads about it but I guess we can discuss it here

>>717318197
Enough to know you're a lying apologist e-celeb dick-sucking brainwashed-by-the-FGC regurgitating turbo-faggot.

Would you rather have the magneto/storm/sentinel core of MvC2, or Zero May Cry of MvC3?

>>717318236
mvc2 is one of the few fighting games i actually played and i don't like the infinites

>>717307334
>make Wolverine better and give everyone actually good colors.

Better yet remove Bone Claws and add a new original character

>>717318116
>There's fewer viable teams than viable characters
MSP
MSS
SSC
Thrax
Trix
Scrub
Row
Duc
Combofiend

These are all incredibly deadly teams. And that doesn't include teams that aren't the tippy top but still competitive. >>717317226
This is from a tournament.

>>717318303
there's a thread on /vr/

balance-patching games that are +5 years seems like a death sentence because everyone considered the previous state to be the status quo
it only worked for Virtua Fighter 5 because US/REVO didn't retroactively delete FS so people get to see if they like the new version and can just go back to their ancient bullshit if they hate it.

>>717318236
>Infinites and body infinites are so much of what people like about MVC2
The minority of people who ever played the game like these. This is the error people make in this discussion: survivorship bias of players. For everyone who "loves" the brokeness of MVC2 forever there are ten people who walked away from the competitive scene because it became stale.

>>717311664
Modded MVC3 is great

>>717318437
>because everyone considered the previous state to be the status quo
Those people should be told to sit down and shut up. They are just the loud autists who can't deal with change and ruin the scene for the rest of us. They'll keep playing btw.

>>717318543
The game is still played because it is like that. It has more players than SFV does lmao

>>717307334
The colors and soundtrack are the only things I wish we could swap
I still have fun playing ratio, but I miss being able to just reburn a disc for new music and it feels wrong without certain color schemes

>>717318642
>they like it BECAUSE of the infinites
>surely not IN SPITE of the infinites
i liked it in spite of the infinites

>>717318642
Again, you're looking at survivorship bias. The game is not really "still played" by the majority of people who ever touched it. It runs on the fumes of the former playerbase. Once those fumes run out the game will be truly dead. No amount of re-releases or Evo feature placements will change that, the actual game has to be changed because getting into it now at this stage it has little to offer.

>>717318543
9 of those 10 people would have walked away no matter what it played like
the fact that there's still any number of people playing it means it did something right compared to the literal thousands of other fighting games from the era that literally nobody plays regularly

there are only like 3 relevant infinites with only 1 of those being a character's whole gameplan. Always makes these discussions feel disingenuous

>>717318816
>9 of those 10 people would have walked away no matter what it played like
No, they would not have. What a weak-ass unsubstantiative response.
>even if the game was much better with more viable character people would have still done the same thing
eat shit

>>717318642
>It has more players than SFV
Yeah, it's a better game.

>>717318876
>3 relevant infinites with only 1 of those being a character's whole gameplan.
And guess which character has one of those infinites? Oh, it's fucking Magneto, one of the best, if not THE best, characters in the whole fucking game. A lot that because of his god damned infinite!

You sir, are the disingenuous one!

>>717307220 (OP)
unfortunately the people who could make this happen do not know, play or watch the game enough to know what to do. unfortunately this is true for all modern games as well.

>>717318739
There are very few true infinites in MvC2. It has an undizzy system to prevent infinites. The reason Magneto is so deadly, besides being the ultimate offensive character, is because he can reset into an 8 way mix up. It's more so one touch death and/or inescapable setplay. You can't remove the infinites because... they don't really exist. What are you going to do, ruin Ironman teams for no reason? Wow less teams that are viable.

>>717318816
>literal thousands of other fighting games from the era
nigga you actually stupid. "Literal thousands". There's like...20 from that era in total. Maybe 3 that could be compared gameplay wise with Marvel.

remember all those well balanced games that achieved the success of MvC2? Yeah, that's what I thought

balance is a meme and always has been, no one wants to play diluted lukewarm crap with nothing dominant and nothing difficult to execute

people will say WAAH, mag storm sent are OP, but they neglect to tell you how absurdly hard it is to play those characters near their maximum potential

>>717319173
I do remember Super Street Fighter II Turbo, yes.

>>717319173
shut the fuck up dumb faggot

>>717319041
magneto's infinite is not only fairly tricky, but the scaling is outrageous to the point where you're not even trying to keep it going but are setting up resets instead, which you'll need like 2 starting from 100%. In an actual match his it is just a decent combo 99% of the time

>>717319234
Super Turbo is insanely unbalanced and broken.

>>717319310
You're the type of person who should be ignored by TOs. You're completely out of touch.

>>717319415
said hall & oates

>>717319173
>literally nobody's saying make it perfectly balanced they're just saying "i wouldn't mind seeing a patch that makes more characters viable and addresses the most broken of characters"
>um hurr durr y u tryin kill game hurr

>>717319415
You got what you wanted when combo breaker took over EVO and pulled MvC to shill skullgirls and everyone hated that shit.

>>717319132
so in your opinion, if i fixed cell being able to get unavoidable instant kills in budokai 2 it would kill budokai 2 as a game?
oh man that's crazy, i just found out budokai 3 did exactly that and, this is insane, but players actually love budokai 3 way more and widely consider it the best

>>717311453
>MT framework engine
That has nothing to do with it. Emulated games are far easier to add rollback to since save state and load state are native features. There's a reason games like GBVS and UNI just made new games instead of retrofitting rollback since the costs and manhours would be comparable but you'd sell more from a title update. It was far easier to retrofit ASW games after the first one since they were built on a common skeleton and as for +R, XX itself is from 2002 so the added computation costs are negligible for any potato in 2020 even if you implement it naively.

>>717319446
its not that you're lying, its that you truly don't understand what makes mvc2 good. if it got balanced and the top 8 or so got replaced with the top 20, the best players would still exclusively play the strongest characters, but would no longer be able to do anything exciting, nor would there be any arms race to survive against godlike strategies
compromise is compromise
tedium is tedium
bland is bland
theres no magic bullet to make balance a good idea

>>717319525
Budokai isn't a competitive game and the discussion ends here for revealing yourself to be this retarded

>>717319332
No, it is not. Only recently has it begun to crack with Claw dominance, and players are moving to do something about that now by having talks about either

1. reducing tourney speed (claw is weaker at slower speeds)
2. banning n. claw (claw players can still use o. claw, who is still very powerful)
3. going back to an older tournament format of playing pre-picked teams of characters instead of the current "arcade mode" style

I think it will probably be 1.

Even with an overpowered Claw, ST has been regarded as one of the most "every character is viable" games for decades. You can find 1st place finishes for every character in tier 1 tournaments. Including Cammy and Fei Long. But some of that came from a Claw soft-ban in recent years. Will Marvel players ever have a gentleman's agreement like the ST OGs? time will have to tell.

>complaining about fucking magneto when he requires insane execution and can barely function without psylocke
come the fuck on. Storm and Sentinel are right there

>>717319606
embarrassing post

>>717319647
ST has 16 characters. Maybe half of them are truly viable and the other half are self-inflicted uphill battles. So that's 8 characters.
The same number people criticize MVC2 for having.

A balance patch for who? There will be zero no sales generated because there is no growing potential for MvC2. There are probably less than 2,000 total fans of MvC2 that still play it actively and the vast majority of those players would be pissed off if you touched the game they have been playing and mastering for 25 years.
Yeah, you could make it a new version, but that just loops back around to, who's actually going to buy it and play it? It's a waste of time for Capcom,

>>717319693
It's because even the most devout MVC2 apologist agrees Sentinel is a game breaking character. Really, it's all the COTA characters + Cable being overpowered compared to the rest of the cast. CVS2 has a similar thing with the characters least changed from A3 being broken.

>>717319647
>every character is viable
Dude what, game has 8:2 match ups all over the place
https://www.goukipedia.com/mu

>>717307220 (OP)
Even if it would be safer to do a re-release with its own distinctive changes and additions, Capcom in any case just wants you to buy whatever new game they shit out. The greater roster might be fucked but at least there's still fundamentally an enjoyable game underneath it; it's not like say, Project M trying to completely unfuck Brawl's fundamentals.

Also, perfect balance is a meme. Trying to make characters more viable is a noble goal but who knows if more problems will trickle down the line that makes it less fun than how regular MvC2 is.

>>717319871
Truthfully what would be better to see is a Super Marvel vs Capcom 2 that fully reworks the game. New backgrounds, music, etc. Stuff for casuals like actual endings. Maybe a few more characters. That would sell.

That would be kind of a first, going back and updating a 25 year old game with a new version and pushing it as a big deal (not just another cheap cash-in like USF2 on Switch, but a full-effort big release project).

I think it will eventually happen, although I think it will be SF3 that gets the first entry.

The best fighting game would have two characters and you play the one you don't like so you know how to counter them

Yeah, there's a solution, it is called releasing a new game.
What's with the autists in this thread seething about how people who still play a nearly 30 year old game enjoy the game. Why do they care?

>>717319917
You're misunderstanding the tournament metagame. People routinely counterpick, and these match-ups sort of counter each other out at the tournament level, leading to different players reaching the final from tournament to tournament. Which can in turn make some people salty, such as a recent tournament where Kusomondo went out early running into a Dee Jay player (iirc) even though he was the "best" player in attendance by reputation. Of course, he was free to change characters..

I can't even begin to imagine how you could bring a character like Charlie up to the same level of somebody like Doom within the context of mvc2

>>717319946
>super turbo is widely regarded as one of the all-time goat fighting games.
>it was the fifth revision of SF2

How many other games have been allowed to have that many attempts?
>Gear Gear X
GGXXAC+R widely considered one of the GOAT
>SFIV
USFIV widely considered a classic
>SFV
Constantly reading about how the game turned into something good towards the end and deserves a revisit


But nah, let's play vanilla original release Marvel for eternity, nothing can ever be improved.

What does low-level MVC2 without all the broken shit even look like?

>>717307220 (OP)
The reputation of this game as "super unbalanced" convinced me to never even try it because I figured I would just be wasting my time. The huge roster and appealing art style and pixel art makes it tempting but I'm mainly interested in the Capcom characters not the Marvel ones and I think the actual viable ones are all Marvel or something? So that's another reason not to play it.

>>717316018
ST HDRemix was by Sirlin who fucked off from the FGG. It's kind of funny though because now people are finally getting ST Claw fatigue.
CvS2EO decimated RCs which actually just made K Groove the strongest instead of sharing top tier with A Groove and arguably C Groove.
KoF98UM neutered one top tier but didn't fix the rest of the bottom of the cast so the scene didn't find it any more interesting, even if you could convince the Chinese to move on from it.
Upper never got traction because when it was ported to NAOMI hardware, it ended up with more input lag. That got resolved, but the game is still kind of a mess of a mish mash of sprites in different styles and systems that aren't as tight with all the nerfs across the board nevermind the outright removal of crouch canceling.
So there's legitimate reasons to not move on even without considering it would split the community.
For what it's worth, TvC is played way more in Japan than Ultimate All Stars, since UAS neutered some otherwise sauceless characters and TvC was an actual arcade game and not a Wii exclusive. So there's definitely a schism with overseas communities of this game, which is unfortunate.
>>717317194
It's not the top players deciding, unlike the fanfiction meta of Smash Bros. games, it's the TOs who actually have the burden of getting communities together and they're going to go with whatever the community wants to play.

>>717320421
button mashing, raw tags left and right, less assist spamming for some reason, wake up supers, maybe launcher into magic series depending on how "low level"

>>717320217
Give him a bigger sonic boom that tracks. A flash kick he can do in the air that sends an energy wave downward. Let him store booms and flash kicks for later. Let him turn into Shadow for 5 seconds with buffs. Let him call in airstrikes from a jet.

>>717320552
I'm not talking about player skill level. I mean when you're playing optimally, but with low-tiers.

>>717320519
>it's not the top players deciding
It is, they get in their buddy the TO's ear and tell them what to do.
>and they're going to go with whatever the community wants to play.
They should have been more harsh. But back in the day there was more personal drama and stakes about this, and it wasn't always relating to the actual games. Wiz wasn't the only TO running tournaments for questionable reasons. So when you've got a TO who doesn't really even care about the games more than his *other* reasons to be holding a gathering of lots of young men you get a lack of focus on the health of the game and a desire to just get raw numbers in the short term.

>>717320195
>You're misunderstanding the tournament metagame
No I'm not lol, you pick the wrong character and you literally just lose. That's not balanced. Match ends at the character select screen.

>>717320792
Addendum: in the past sometimes it *was* important to get raw attendance numbers in the short term, as it was kind of do or die, hanging on by your nails back then for the FGC. And the games weren't nearly so old and near-solved as late as 10 years ago. But time has passed, and we need to take a longer view of things now. It's disheartening to hear the same old tired talking points that might have had a little bit of merit in 2005 but now in 2025 seem like it's just something they learned from FGC twitter being regurgitated by Alex Valle or Justin Wong or Combo Fiend or whoever. And the thing is? Those guys didn't even come up with that FGC theory and philosophy themselves! They copied it from SRK posters! Back in the day the top players were often actually kind of condescending towards SRK and didn't like to participate in discussion. Now they steal ideas that came from that site and peddle them as if they were their own.

>>717320912
You could just pick a different character, you know? The match begins at the character select screen.

>>717314641
It's literally the opposite.
In a fighting game,
>Fast = Useful and competitively viable
>Strong = Slow, useless crap. Exclusively low tier gimmick characters.
I want to see a MvC2 balance patch because I want Hulk to go from being worthless to actually kind of playable like MvC3 Hulk.

>>717319580
>There's a reason games like GBVS and UNI just made new games instead of retrofitting rollback since the costs and manhours would be comparable but you'd sell more from a title update.
Then I'd like to see Capcom make MvC3 Uncanny edition with rollback, crossplay and the characters that were supposed to be in Ultimate because fuck the 2011 Japan tsunami.

>>717320046
>That would be kind of a first, going back and updating a 25 year old game with a new version and pushing it as a big deal

This already happens in other genres with massively varying results. AoE II went through two re-releases and only convinced competitive players to switch off from the CD release for good by the second one, after trying to get tournaments to use HD with extra expansions made by former modders. AoE I DE on the other hand did not convince the Vietnamese competitive diehards to play it at all and I don't believe Return of Rome did either despite officially giving them a mode that outright helps them reinforce their ruleset.

That said, I would think that re-releases would generally need to be a lot closer to the originals to stay relevant in a competitive manner before everyone else moves on.

>>717320792
You're a fucking retard who has never been to 1 major in his life.
Go to a BYOC and run a EO bracket and prove there's demand for it.
For reference, the French Bread players were so badass they had their own major before UNI got to EVO.

>>717321061
You're more likely to see a new edition of SF6, with a 'paid' major update for like $15-20 for people that already own the game. It's honestly the only way I can see fighting games stay profitable with how long the lifespan of these huge titles are meant to go on for.

>>717320046
It is *extremely* unlikely with MVC2 due to licensing issues. Re-releases yes, maybe even with balance patches. But when it's a whole new game/pseudo-sequel no way.

>>717321040
The winner doesn't get to change characters. Have you ever played in a tournament even once in your entire life? This isn't like smash.

>>717320652
for the most part it's very, very boring outside of novelty since most bad characters only have 1 or 2 things they can rely on. The mid tier is kinda interesting I guess since many are so close to be good characters but are missing 1-3 things to put them over the top. Chopping off the top also still introduces similar problems and those almost good point characters like Rogue start to completely dominate. There are "low" tier vids on youtube if you want to take a look

>>717321169
I've been to over a dozen of them, kid.
>Go to a BYOC and run a EO bracket and prove there's demand for it.
Idiotic non-sequitur argument. Unfortunately common. You're another type that should be completely ignored.

>>717321301
>Major TOs should run an arbitrary version of the game that doesn't even get played locally just because I, a non-attending nobody, wants it!

>>717321215
That's the risk you take, picking a character that has a 8-2 match-up in your favor when the opponent has the chance to counter-pick you right after turning the tables into their own favorable match-up. You have to be careful about the match score.

>>717319798
First of all, you're just wrong about that. And second, its abour percentages of the roster that are viable. 50% is way higher then 10%

>>717321391
Sit down and listen to your betters, kid.

>>717321391
>run an arbitrary version of the game
It's not an arbitrary version, it's the official company endorsed update to the game.

>>717321493
You can run your own tournaments but you don't.
>Kid
I thought it was OGs who were the boogeymen. Surely Viscant's critiques of 3S's flaws are the reason everyone stopped playing it after 2006.

>>717321169
You have no idea what that anon is referring to because you're young. that you even bring up BYOC in this context tells everything.

You have twenty thousand fighting games that try to be balanced.
You have one MAHVEL BABY.
Choose wisely on what you actually want.
Tourist.

>>717321582
And it's not what the people who actually go to events sign up for.
Did you know that ST tournaments are run off MiSTers and not 30th Anniversary Collection?
Did you know 3S last year was run off PCBs and not 30th Anniversary Collection?

>>717321648
>You can run your own tournaments but you don't.
I have. Not for many years, but if I was doing it today you bet your ass I'd run Zero 3 Upper or CVS2 EO as the versions of those games on offer. Nobody wants to sign up for those games and prefer the vanilla versions? Too bad, I'm not interested in those anymore. Nobody shows up? Fuck it, less work for me.

>>717321820
If it's so arbitrary then why does everyone want to stick with the same original release version of Marvel or CVS2 forever? Because it's what they are used to? Even if another version has very substantial upgrades? They still won't change because "it's always been this way". Or because "we might get fewer entrants".
That's real lame, bro.
We've seen what happens when you endlessly chase bigger and bigger attendance numbers and make that your god. You get what Evo has become.

>>717321891
Yes, it's already implied you exclusively play with yourself.

>>717321418
Then it's not balanced, retard. Scrub vs MSP is like a 4:6 match up. That's why meta is more important than balance.

>>717321891
They ran Alpha 3 Upper at Evo this year and it got 34 entrants, which was one of the biggest turnouts for a western A3 tournament in a long time. You didn't see a resurgence like that when the vanilla version was released a few years ago as part of the 30th anniversary collection.

Marvel and CVS2 had more entrants at Evo than KOFXV and SFV.

>>717307220 (OP)
Is that mugen?

>>717315469
I am mad Super Skrull did not make a return. Much more interesting than the Fantastic 4.

Let's be real. I never bother with this rom. I always get MvC1.

>>717321723
Why is it a good thing that the entire left half of the roster is unusuable? Why is it a good thing that even the Marvel half still has total joke characters like Captain America, the face of the brand?

>>717322313
>NOBODY TO DRY YOUR EYES
>DRIVE ME CRAZY
>BUT I WON'T LET YOU GOOOOO
>EXCITE ME