Thread 717393490

How good was Giant Dad?

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very good. nowadays people will whiff punish or parry ya

>>717393490 (OP)
It was good. It was designed to exploit three things:
>UGS R1 stunlocking players who didn't know how to toggle escape
>chaos weapons dealing high damage without stat investment due to their humanity scaling
>damage negation from upgraded armor
You'd never do anything cool with Giant Dad, but you didn't need to - because everyone who didn't know how to toggle escape would die.

I once saw a video that tried to "improve" upon the build, and it was one of the worst Dark Souls-related things I've ever seen. Both completely missed the point and made it worse.

Not very. Greatshield rapier poking was more effective.

>>717393490 (OP)
It was fine, but it was no 82 poise ninjaflip backstab build (post-flip nerf).

>>717393490 (OP)
they got mogged by hexers like everyone else

>>717394020
>revolutionizes Giant Dad in your path
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1r_asXU_1Q

>>717393550
So you admit that the efforts of the united nations would possibly stop him?

>>717393490 (OP)
Absolutely shits on the entirety of the PVE content. I was able to guide my normie coworker through DS1 by pointing him to the zweihander before he got to the burg and he loved me for it.
Beeg sword go SLAM hahaha

gay meme build

>>717393490 (OP)
raped the shit out of noobs
was still decent against ppl who knew waht they were doing if you also knew what you were doing
overall a very versatile build for pvp and obviously good for pve

>"hates" his giantdad video
>censors "faggot" so it won't be taken down

>>717394935
yup, there it is. motherfucker.
>completely ignores that giant dad was always a PvP build
>the entire fucking point of the build was being able to fast roll and stunlock, now it mid rolls
>more poise is completely pointless as 77 was enough to tank two R1s from GS and CGS, while 91 gets you nothing
>gets rid of black flame (which was for raping other player's poise) for... power within and DMB
>this stupid PvE meme build asks you that you fucking farm souvenirs of reprisal for DMB
and, worst of all
>replaces the godlike zweihander with its 2H R1 infinite stunlock combo with...
>the fucking demon great machete, one of the only weapons in its class without any true combos, completely removing what made Giant Dad good
i shouldn't be as mad as i am about this, but it's just the purest representation of what normalfags and content creator grifters have done to these games. i remember when demon's souls and dark souls actually had a real community.

>>717394935
is this guy an idiot or is he ragebaiting? giantdad was not a PvE build, anyone "struggling" to beat Dark Souls is not going to make it to Anor Londo to get the giant's set nor get the black flame from the DLC (also pointless since it's a PvP spell).

and why the jump from SL99 to SL125? might as well put 99 in every stat if you're going to "improve" upon a build by also increasing the SL.

>>717393490 (OP)
giantdad is not a good build and everyone saying it is wasn't there
literally the whole joke of the video is that giantdad is bad but THE LEGEND NEVER DIES, and the legend still hasn't died to this day. Giantdad is only good insofar as you can kill noobs who can't toggle. Otherwise it's a blatantly inefficient meme build that's objectively inferior to a bunch of other similar builds. But THE LEGEND NEVER DIES so people who otherwise understand the game have a gut reaction that giantdad is op and don't think about it for half a second.
66 END should be the first giveaway. It's a huge waste of stats and should automatically signify that your build isn't efficient. Mask of the father is pretty much always worse than just going lighter and using mask of the mother. Chaos infusion is almost always worse than lightning infusion. Double blackflame (that means ng+ bitches) is a huge waste of time, just use a normal great combustion. If you need 66 END just to wear your armor, the placebo amount of stamina regen you get from the grass crest shield isn't worth the weight.
The point of giantdad is to try to recreate the flipping havel mom build that was possible on earlier patches. It used to be that you could wear the dark wood grain ring and get ninja flips even with heavy load, meaning you could do a fully heavy tank build with the agility of a light build, and it was ridiculously op because you could do it without needing to invest huge into END and equip load. But they changed the ring to only work on light equip load, so the build doesn't work any more.
Giantdad looks and feels like a flipping havel mom build, but it's not. So players would get invaded by giantdad and accuse you of minmaxing even though giantdad is mediocre.

>>717396463
>the entire fucking point of the build was being able to fast roll and stunlock, now it mid rolls
i thought giant dad was always a midroll build, comparable to midkumo

>>717396658
He probably literally wasn't there when Giant Dad was posted, so when first he heard about it years later, he took it seriously.

>>717393490 (OP)
They changed poise in the next games because of it, very good I'd say

>>717393490 (OP)
lightning greatsword counter charged heavy poke deals more damage

>>717396721
nah, it was a reference to launch patch DS1 when the flip ring was broken and people were running around like this with no downsides, that's why the video is called "HE'S BACK" and the build has 66 END to fast roll in the full meme outfit

>>717393490 (OP)
It was mid but it solidified the dad mask as the official uniforn for gankers, trolls, and general purpose dickheads. No matter what, if you saw a guy with a dad mask online, you knew he was going to be an asshole to deal with. And that's great, because it was exactly the community based emergent storytelling that made Dark Souls so magical, and elevated it from a great game into an amazing cultural phenomenon that created the legacy it has today.

He's mostly notable for being one of the first people to make a meme video about poise-tank twink builds for PvP

>>717394020
Toggle escape? I know nothing about pvp.

>>717395942
These do not contradict

>>717397602
just switch weapons when you get stunlocked or before getting hit (if you time it right you can avoid stunlock completely)

>>717397602
If you switch your weapon, aka toggle your weapon, it cancels the stun animation and lets you escape.

>>717397602
tl;dr the animation where you swap your left or right hand weapon can completely override hitstun with the right timing, which sounds broken as shit, and was, but without it a bunch of weapons had infinite stunlocks so it ended up kind of important and overall beneficial to the game, to the point that Remastered kept it in despite removing Dead Angles, a glitch that let you ignore blocking.

you can see it at around 15 seconds in this webm, the white phantom holding a zweihander gets hit and stunned by the first swing, then toggles the second swing by switching to the bandit knife.

>>717395014
what efforts? harsh diplomatic note and import sanctions?

>>717394020
also OG giant dad did ninja flips despite being heavy load.

>>717396718
>t. Got pwned after Giantdad got back up

>>717397946
I loved PvPing in DaS but the shitty networking always left a sour taste in my mouth.

>>717397946
do you have the webm of the guy using lifehunt scythe against a giantdad? giantdad just tanks the hits, then gets parried, he switches to gold tracer to get a cheeky bleed proc, then the riposte. it was the coolest thing i've ever seen in pvp

>>717398326
I know the one but I don't think I ever saved it

>>717395942
Why does he hate the video? Is it because it's the only thing of worth he has ever put out, obnoxious faggot.

>>717395942
>>717398489
I don't think he ever said that he hates it, it just isn't his favorite one

>>717393490 (OP)
what a classic vid

>>717393490 (OP)
Giantmom was always better. The claymore is an actual tool, the zwei was a noobstick

>>717396658
I could be misremembering but the universally agreed pvp SL was 125 for DS1

I just remember on PS3 going through undead burg and getting invaded by nips who already had the game and coming at you with SL1-10 using pine resin and just destroying anyone who unhollowed

>>717398818
pretty sure it was 99 for kiln, 125 for the oolacile an LEVEL 387 for the forest

>>717398818
125 was a remnant of des but got less popular as time passed, das was 99 and 120 for most of its life then 110 later on because that could invade 99s while having higher stats

>>717393490 (OP)
The whole video was a fucking joke about retardedly overcompensating for the flip ring being nerfed to only work at 25% equip load instead of 50%. Prior to the release of the DLC/PC version and that nerf you'd constantly see people flipping around in full havels and shit, but it was never really the min/max meta build, it was just easy to accomplish.
Of course high poise shits on PvE in general so after the video blew up in popularity most people saw it and assumed the build was really good just because it let them breeze through the game but you can achieve that without having to spend so many points in endurance.

>>717396718
Giantdad is only inefficient by modern standards. The video was released in october 2012, a month after PTDE came out, and was presented as a functional alternative to ninja flipping with havels that people used to do before the wood grain ring nerf. People didn't start overwhelmingly using the mother's mask until a year or two later.

It's also worth noting that poise stacking and using the chaos zwei is the second best easy mode for PvE, behind the black knight halberd.
>Chaos infusion is almost always worse than lightning infusion.
No.

>>717399014
>People didn't start overwhelmingly using the mother's mask until a year or two later.
I was playing a vitgouged 53 poise breakpoint hornet ring flip ring MoM lightning rapier forest ganker with 3 copies of WotG before the DLC hit and nerfed the flip DWGR, and I just took the idea from a video I saw online. Plenty of people were running vitgouged mom mask builds already at that time.

>>717396718
>Mask of the father is pretty much always worse than just going lighter and using mask of the mother.
Post nerf maybe

>>717399001
You definitely don't need that many points in endurance but, "use an elemental zwei and put all your stats into health and endurance" is indeed the second easiest way to play the game, at least in NG+0

>>717396718
This dude is completely correct and anyone that disagrees never actually played the game before the PC release.

>GrimDisaster literally died
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd4JnDKGj_Y

>>717393490 (OP)
who cares
dark souls pvp is for faggots

>>717399191
He's mostly right but not completely and ignores the context of the build

>>717399191
He's wrong in how he presents the build as being bad just because it's not the absolute best for the retarded forest fag and townshit sweats. Also, yeah, almost nobody played DaS on PS3.

>>717399282
I miss these types of random videos people would make in the DS1 days. Impersonating NPCs, chameleon, greatbow shenanigans...

>looking through my computer
>find ds1 pvp clips
>it's all just me doing reverse rolls, toggle escapes, offhand gold tracer burritos, spamming moonlight beams into the floor repeatedly, swapping to greatclub for ripostes, and getting backstabbed by havel moms
disgusting

For me, it's the Demon's Spear with a high stability shield and bleed resistance armor.

Souls PvP is, by far, the gayest shit that ever happened to video games

>>717399527
I hate you

It's a joke build. Every part of it is sub-par.
>father's mask
No point to it besides looking ridiculous.
>stunlocking weapon
Useless in a game where toggling exists.
>77 poise
Especially useless because why the fuck would you tank ultras?
>elemental weapon to save levels
Countered by spending it all on END.

It can only kill those that don't know how to play, which isn't hard in a game that favors invaders so much.

>>717399527
You will NOT see the light of heaven

>>717399667
>You will NOT see the light of heaven
maybe he doesnt want to go to there

>>717399667
Toggle escape did not exist at the time, MoF is for extra equip load, and
>why the fuck would you tank ultras?
To stunlock the other guy with your ultra since he doesn't have as much poise
>Countered by spending it all on END.
Armor maxing is less gay than vitmaxing.

Dead angling was one of those cool unintentional game mechanics that ended up making an multiplayer game much more interesting.

>>717399667
>Countered by spending it all on END.
The point is that you get good damage, good defense, and can fast roll. 53 poise is nice for most builds since it's more attainable though, true

>>717399391
The Darkroot Garden offered a wealth of player interaction that the other games couldn't quite replicate

>>717399667
>No point to it besides looking ridiculous.
Prior to its nerf, it gave 15% equipment load. That 66 Endurance, FAP, and Havel's let Giant Dad fast roll.
>Countered by spending it all on END.
Again, for fast rolling. Chaos weapons remove all stat scaling and scales with humanity, Retard-kun.

>>717400340
Afro's Giant dad is post-nerf, that's why it has to have 66 end to fast roll
that exact build works in the current version of the game
Pre-nerfs you didn't have to make a shit build to wear full giants and use a zweihander, so forcing it to keep working even though it is no longer a good idea was the whole joke

they should have made armors weight less and then nerfed havels
almost everyone and their mother runs havels in their PvE playthroughs and also 90% of people you find in PVP

>levels dex
>troons out
many such cases

>>717400606
It's a great build, just not perfectly optimal for the 50 townshit sweats. Especially since the video was before people knew about toggle escape, so getting hit by the zwei once was a death sentence.

Giantdad was 'fine'. It was obviously a joke build in reference to the havelmums but it was still a build, which made it automatically better than 95% of players who decided to pvp for fun after beating the game. Giantdad will pubstomp retards as well as any other build you can think of (probably better in fact since that's its main job, to beat noobs fast), it just wasn't going to turn heads in /dsg/ fightclubs.

Reminder that the guy who made the video got cucked by a vtuber and had a meltdown on /vt/ over it.

>>717400793
it's high level and high poise and has a big weapon and uses an elemental infusion for damage, but it is basically the worst way you can do those without intentionally gimping yourself
people knew about toggling in 2012, here's a random occurrence of the phrase toggle escape that google found from around a year before that video came out

>>717401102
source

>>717400340
Chaos weapons are for low level invaders. They just can't compete at high levels. Pitiful damage.
A level 99 build has to compete with 125 sweatlord mom maskers all with FaP + free ring slot. They can do what Giantdad, but better, in every way.
Sacrificing your damage and ring versatility potential for 3 pieces of giants just isn't worth it.

>>717400793
Toggling is Demon's Souls era tech, dude.

>>717401153
The one thing Giantdad isn't is high level. It was SL99, not 120.

Does anyone non slav non south american non chinese still play ds1 pvp?

>>717401394
Nobody has played DaS1 pvp in years. Maybe tendies I guess since they didn't get DS1R until somewhat recently and it's the only souls game they have

>>717400984
>It was obviously a joke build in reference to the havelmums
I like all the people itt who obviously werent there for that and are defending the build as legitimate

>>717401474
People still play it regularly, just not many.

>>717401394
no

>>717401283
https://files.catbox.moe/7ydmu1.txt

>>717401394
i just wanted to co-op dsr recently and while invasions are cool they rarely happen
then you get to oolacille and people are lag switching and even hacking
it's kind of sad you barely get anyone to summon you for co-op anywhere outside of the 40 range

>>717394935
>"this build immediately improves upon the giant dad because you don't need to put any points into dexterity like a filthy CASUL!"
>filthy CASUL
>not fucking FAGGOT
lmao this nigger is such a poser it hurts, and since the build in the video is a build that's not even meant for PvP, then it's by default a build for casuals, as in, for people who are going to be casually beating the PvE content and not invading/dueling, this shit is so retarded

>>717396658
he's just a grifter and a newfag who doesnt even know what giantdad signified

>>717395942
MANLY
MINER
MEN

>giant dad is a bad build
>because it's based on a good build
>and because it exploits people not knowing how to toggle escape
>which 99% of people who have played dark souls don't know how to do
So... it's a good build?

>>717401936
Have a modern take on an old classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ex2vfGhwQo

I don't know why this has no fucking views

>>717401303
chaos is still better than lightning most of the time, as long as you have 10+ humanity. Fire resistance is a bit more common than lightning resistance, particularly on shields, but the raw damage is simply higher than any other infusion. A chaos zwei has 676AR and a lightning has 650. Some fags used to just carry two and switch if they saw a BK shield or something.
Worse than a well invested pure physical weapon because split damage is pretty gimped but pretty insane for 16 str. For comparison 27/40 2h at +15 is 610.
And that's post nerf, lighting was better on launch but I can't remember by how much.

>>717401642
reads like a drama between 16 year olds

>>717401946
No you don't understand, if you aren't wearing havel pants the mom mask and the gold tracer like the top level DS1 duel sweats who died of diabetes years ago then you might as well just kill yourself

>>717401993
that was better than I expected, remakes are normally pretty cringe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd4JnDKGj_Y was always my favourite

Tangential, but DAS1 and 2 had such good pvp systems and covenants. Elden ring invasions are so fucking bad compared to 1 and 2. I hope you like running a marathon in the open world while 3 dudes chase you, because that's like 50% of invasions.

>>717401946
its a good noobstomp build, but its bad against any actual pvper

R.L STEIN & Smuph > manly miner men > giant dad

>>717402236
The worlds were dangerous, DS3 and ER don't want people to quit on the run back to the boss so there's not much to invade in those 2 mins

>>717402236
> DAS1 and 2 had such good pvp systems and covenants
because it was easier to invade and shitstomp people?

>>717402320
no, because it had actual interesting covenants and didn't prioritize 1v3s in open fields

>>717402387
>actual interesting covenants

>>717401946
99% of people who have played dark souls lose to a broken straight sword if you know how to chainstab, people that know what they're doing don't get stunlocked and will roll or togglebs you for mashing R1 with the zweihander and wasting 26 levels to wear a meme armor set doesn't help

>>717402056
it was havel chest and the poise diaper, come on get it right

>>717402236
Yeah it's a mess. Legacy dungeon invasions are good still but that's it

HOMO KARL

I dont like nu Fromslop Jabul souls. I'd rather replay Kingsfield again. Someone explain giant dad to me

>>717393490 (OP)
it was only ever good when darkwood grain ring worked at 50% equipload

>>717402604
he's a giant and he fucked your mom

>>717393550
WHAT RINGS YOU GOT BITHC?

>>717402447
rat king and bell guardians were a lot of fun, and had useful rewards too like twinkling titanites and titanite chunks

>>717398818
>>717396658
120-125 was always standard. It was only after the DLC hit with the arena brackets that anyone tried to give a shit about SL100 but it panned out like a wet fart.

>>717399282
holy fuck memory unlocked i remember that shit of bowing at the water LMAO

>>717401642
Afro actually has a working dick and an interest for the opposite sex? That's crazy. last I saw of him he was repeatedly streaming while wearing skirts and cosplaying as traps. I thought he'd have trooned out by now or at the very least went full fag. Good on him for not succumbing I guess, even if he fell into the vtuber pit and got cucked instead.

how the fuck do I get to this "bandit leader" boss I seen people talk about? I went to bandit camp and lit the 3 fires, I fought and killed the spear ice guy and now I explored that snowfall town and am near the snowfall palace or something?

is this the right way to get to the bandit boss?

>>717399282
What's the source on that, anon?

>>717404570
did you give the bone of grief to Quiblinec the sorrowful?

>>717402283
>it devastated literally 100% of the playerbase you could invade for all of the games' relevant lifetime, except its not good anymore against incredibly autistic people stuck for 15 years trying to outdo eachother in abusing exploits and glitches in pvp that was already janky to begin with
so it was a good build

>>717393490 (OP)
It was only good because of the terrible netcode where even if you had a good connection both players would see that an attack *should* have missed but half a second later the victim would stumble and get stunlocked. That's why the build used a pyro and a sword that did big poise damage so it was basically always an automatic first-hit-wins against any other build.

>>717394935
This dogshit channel proves how you don't need an ounce of charisma to make it big, just ride trends and pump out shit and you'll make it big.

>>717393490 (OP)
I think the creator of Giant Dad trooned out if that tells you anything

>>717401993
Very underrated channel anon thanks for sharing

giantdad was parody build based on the then-nerfed havelmom build. it was never a meta build that people seriously used for pvp, zwei wasn't ever a good pvp weapon. it was optimized for fast rolls in heavy armor under the new weight load change for light rolls because ninja flipping knights in big armor was funny and looked stupid. it was never actually good, it was just funny.

>>717405191
>hurr i THINK lul
retard

>>717401946
> is ackshuwally good because they can beat the worst players with that character
dishonest drooling retard moment

>>717405597
fuck you

>>717405597
good morning sirs

>>717404879
heavy armor with grain ring basically broke PvP, and people were super salty about weapons like zweihander way back then because its moveset covered such a large area and you could stunlock people.

Everyone saying "well akshually its bad because if you played perfectly vs it then you should win" is just coping. id bet no one here even played back then, back when there was pretty much no reason not to put on the heaviest armor you could find with the ring. probably the biggest part of the "HES BACK" meme is using heavy armor + great weapon while doing ninja flips again, which was the main dark souls PvP build until fromsoft nerfed the ninja ring.

>>717405817
if the criteria for "good" is noob stomping then your standards are extremely low. anything in any game with pvp can be good when your opponents can barely understand what's happening on the screen except that they're getting hit and don't know what to do.

>>717405817
the build in the OP is not wearing the DWGR
that build hasn't existed since october 2012 when 1.06 released
jesus did you argue all this time without even actually watching the video?

>glazing a cross dressing south american avatarfag that ripped off 4chan memes and uploaded them to YouTube with le ironic dubstep in the background
Never change newfags, the build was dogshit too.

>>717405191
Retard, he didnt create shit, he stole it like the gay spic troon he is

>>717408324
>>717408416
then why didn't you do it
anyone could have, but you didn't and he did

>>717393490 (OP)
He loved his giant son who loved his giant mom

>>717408465
Go upload shit to r/4chan for karma, faggot

Shiva of the East?
More like Shiva the Deceased
I still laugh at this dumb joke

>HE STOLE FIZZY LIFTING DRINKS
you're just jealous some people, like Vaati, made a living out it

>>717408661
LMFAO I make more than you and youre here defending ecelebs, just how pathetic can you be

>>717408751
then why are so upset about someone stealing funny maymays from korean basket weaving forum?

>>717408609
So do I, it lives in my head rent free. That and those bass drops and YOU WERE INDICTED.

>>717397946
>kicking
>shields
I miss the more slow combat of DaS. Everything Fromsoft has released after has been faster and faster. Not to mention the PvP was just better despite its flaws, I don't like that they made invasions co-op only, made the games feel less alive.

the best ones are the cosplay invasions
shame they're mostly gone now because of metafags and gank squads

>>717409193
>I don't like that they made invasions harder
ftfy

he's cute

>>717409432
>I don't like that they made invasions boring
ftfy

>>717398489
it says faggot in it. he probably regrets it, considering he turned into one

>>717409628
>I don't like that they made invasions harder
ftfy

Dark souls remastered got seamless co op.
Just remember to disabled invasions because your npc's like andre will get killed.
https://www.nexusmods.com/darksoulsremastered/mods/899

>>717408661
Vaati dies the moment /dsg/ or /erg/ lose interest in lore shit, then he would have to steal his lore ideas from reddit and then people would definitely call him out on it since the entirety of his audience is made up of redditors

>>717405597
bodied that freak

>>717398326
actual god gaming

>>717410749
two more weeks

>>717399368
>Almost nobody
More than you think, I got constant action in Anor Londo PS3 all the way until DS2 came out.

>>717409193
Solo invasions should be brought back, they're far better at encouraging build experimentation and for any player to dabble in PvP rather than thinking they need a hyper-tailored build for it. Dark Souls 1 had a major problem with everything devolving into backstab fishing though, and the netcode was way worse.

>>717415165
>Solo invasions should be brought back, they're far better at encouraging build experimentation and for any player to dabble in PvP rather than thinking they need a hyper-tailored build for it.
or maybe you just need to get good

>>717415363
I am good. New players dabbling with PvP aren't going to be hyper-optimized pros, so they're not going to have superb builds on their first playthrough. Having to fight only one other player helps both invader and host learn about PvP in a far better way than always encountering or having a gank, especially since most hosts in Elden Ring have two summons. These builds faring better against hosts will keep people interested in trying to be invaders, and it can lead to more experimentation and enjoyable, themed builds akin to people being Silver Knights in Anor Londo. Solo invasions also give blues a better reason to exist since a host will actually have vacant slots in their world rather than summons already filling them.

By forcing every invader to face a gank, that can readily push people to rapidly finding a meta build that can result in every encounter being all too similar. Furthermore, any host who tries the Taunter's Tongue is likely to just get meta builds meant to fight three people at once + any blues, meaning that they'll have to rapidly seek a meta if they want to try a 1 vs. 1 fight at all. It ultimately resorts in a swift homogenization process and disincentivization to even try the mechanic while also fucking blues over out of getting to do anything at all.

The map and legacy dungeons have far, far better designs and variety than the coliseums, so PvP should never be forced to the coliseums to avoid ganks. Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1, and even Dark Souls 2 proved time and time again that the levels are the most enjoyable places to face another human.

This is an Elden Ring question rather than a Dark Souls one, but does anyone remember a joke summary of ER's plot shortly after the game released with a segment that says "you can either marry a sex doll or get cucked" followed by Ryan Gosling having a breakdown? I can't find that video again anywhere. I recall the section in question being about 11 minutes into the video.