Thread 717394904

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>>717394904 (OP)
>instantly forgotten
What went wrong with Mario?

Frustrating how amazing this game seems, but it's just not that memorable

One of those games I liked just enough, but don't really care about ultimately.
I think I just like sidescrolling Mario more when it has old school sprites.

>>717394904 (OP)
Didn't feel like a mario game.. I liked the psychedelic mode but the normal levels felt boring

I liked the talking flowers tho they were pretty amusing

Possibly the worst of the 2D series. The whole thing feels like a sequence of "hold forward" Mario Maker levels. They don't even utilize the wonder fruit thing, the advertised draw of the game, in interesting or visually pleasing ways.

All of the New Super Mario Bros games brutally mogs this wet fart of a game.

>>717394904 (OP)
why did they go back to a shitty 2d game when Mario 3d World and Bowser's Fury kicked so much ass. Literally who asked for this shit?

Remember the weird fan art

>>717394904 (OP)
oh yea, that happened.

>>717394904 (OP)
If this was made by any other company than Nintendo it would have been received better and remembered.
But from Nintendo, especially under the Mario brand, it was underwhelming. On its own terms it is great, but since Nintendo is the best at platformers it feels underwhelming.

>>717395545
I think the fundamental issue is that the game is just too easy to be memorable. World 8 felt like World 5 from the NSMB games, 90% of the secret world felt more like world 7.

I'm not looking for a Kaizo game, but Mario needs to be at least mildly challenging to be enjoyable.

>>717395974
Me. I asked for it.

>>717396158
It's pretty challenging, on emulator.

decent game but
>not hard enough (I know, modern Nintendo is for babiez)
>lame powerups instead of focusing on the cooler badges and designing more levels around those
>burnout on nsmb and 2d platformers in general

Wonder is where Mario finally died after years of mediocre to bad games. New shit voices, first game to use worse redesigns, bad ill-fitting lul so random xD additions, forgettable soundtrack, ugly ADHD art direction overall to take attention away from how bland and easy the level design actually is. By far the worst 2D Mario.

>>717394904 (OP)
Anyone else just not get Mario? Even when I was younger it felt very milquetoast and boring. Flash games or whatever I could get for free on Steam was infinitely more interesting than the copy of Mario we owned. Even a little later on with Odyssey, even though I beat it, it still felt just too soft.

The only kids who played Mario were the weird ones who wore some variety of sweat pant like picrel with a hoodie, had glasses, and were named Aiden.

3D World was OK.

>>717394904 (OP)
the joke is that zou is elephant in japanese

I thought wonder was better than most of the nu-super mario bros games desu

>>717394904 (OP)
>hey look classic mario!
>but everyone else still looks mandated as fuck and the yoshi is still the gay ass new style instead of the classic dino

>>717396760
age?

>>717396882
Gen Z

>>717395891
>I liked the talking flowers tho they were pretty amusing
WELL
THAT
JUST
HAPPENED

the least mario feeling mario game to ever exist

>>717396824
you mean like how its a me mario is actually itsumi mario aka super mario

>>717396760
Mario had edge on the N64 and GameCube. He became milquetoast, bland and very inoffensive with the NSMB series and most following spinoffs. Most games were still good up until 2016. With the Switch the games became worse, and with Wonder, Brothership, Mario Kart World, Bananza, they overcorrected the past blandness and made the Mario/DK world soft goofy chungus shit.

>Super Mario Bros. Wonder Where The Audience Went
>Kirby and the Forgotten Game
>Tears of Boredom
>Mario Shart World
>Donkey Kong Babygamenanza
wtf happened to nintendo???

>>717396158
Real problem was with the badges. Since they were all "optional," the levels weren't designed around them and you could bypass half the obstacles even if you had a shitty one like the Mario 2 charge jump. But the badges were fun, you didn't want to just ignore them entirely.

Honestly, I think the best way to address the issue would have just been to, after beating the game, add an extra optional Wonder Seed that doesn't count for the Special World but gives you... I dunno, a golden flagpole on the map or something. And you can only get it by beating the stage without a badge. Give the player a reason to replay levels without that broken-ass double jump.

>>717395127
They didn't go hard enough with the fetish content.

Can't believe they hyped up that ugly-ass elephant power-up only for it to be less functional than the raccoon leaf.

>>717397319
Yes, and bing bing wahoo is derived from 彬彬維護 (bīnbīn wéihù) which means something like gentle saviour or refined protector (what Mario is).

>>717397319
>>717398196
sorry i don't speak the lesser asian languages

>>717396745
and the censorship is the final nail in the coffin.

>>717397871
They started hiring zoomers

>>717398430
Censorship?

>>717395127
not enough cow

>>717398458
[citation needed]

>>717398154
newer 2D marios are so weird with power ups, they're more like level specific gimmicks than actual power ups

>>717395127
>Forced animation
>No damsel in distress because God forbid
It's shit

>>717394904 (OP)
Should've had an entire world made of final final test tier levels. Also the game was too short to pull the "no boss at the end of a world" bullshit and they did it twice iirc.

>>717395127
2D Mario became shit ever since DK showed how it's done.

>>717394904 (OP)
It was solid but it's a game I 100% and never feel like returning to again. People act like it was so amazing just because it's NSMB but with more expressive characters and no more bahs, that's it. It's still a barebones 2D platformer.

>>717400121
ive always said that retro should do a 2d mario game

>>717400174
wonder could have been the best 2d mario game since world if they removed the badge-shit and the retarded ass puzzle levels

>>717400482
They should've done away with badges and just made everyone different like doki doki mario.

>>717394904 (OP)
i liked it but i sold it instantly after 100% because i know i will never want to replay it

theres so much bullshit in the overworld and everything but the last level is too easy (invisibility section is just bullshit btw)

>>717400121
Top: graphics
Bottom: gameplay
Just as it was in the SNES days.

>>717402136
I hate how the elephant form is bald

>>717398034
I've busted multiple nuts to elephant peach squeezing herself into a pipe

>>717402197
yeah it really is lost potential

>>717394904 (OP)
Mario if he Merrick

>>717396871
>dino
Yoshi is a turtle.

>>717402587
japanese smw manual says hes a dragon ドラゴン

>>717402182
Top is both actually.

>>717394904 (OP)
I still can't get over that one anon who throat fucked (and very VERY likely killed) his bird while complaining about waiting for the XCI. What the fuck was gained I'll never know.

>>717402873
a SUPER dragon

>>717395127
I'd argue Mario Galaxy 2 was when it started getting soulless. While it was a good game, it was a still a rehash that removed a lot of the things that made Galaxy 1 interesting so it was kinda the end of the line of the Mario franchise IMO. And yes i don't think Odyssey was all that good either. It felt hollow, never had the urge to replay it after i beat it.

>>717403498
galaxy 2 is just galaxy 1 with better more challenging level design
>i don't think Odyssey was all that good either. It felt hollow
good thing nintendo doesn't pander to you. they make a game with good design all around and a great movement system and you're all "meh feels hollow" you're a homosex

>>717403682
>galaxy 2 is just galaxy 1 with better more challenging level design
Never said it was a bad game, but it felt more like a level pack for Galaxy 1 than it's own game.
>good thing nintendo doesn't pander to you. they make a game with good design all around and a great movement system and you're all "meh feels hollow" you're a homosex
I'm sorry my opinion offended you so much, but i just didn't like it. Besides New Donk, the levels weren't memorable and most of the possessions felt like cheap gimmicks. Like they were only used for a single challenge.

>>717404080
>Never said it was a bad game
And I'm saying that it's better than Galaxy 1 in all the aspects that matter, so it's telling when you say that it's the one where it started getting "soulless"
>Besides New Donk, the levels weren't memorable
Interesting considering it's one of the blandest worlds with the least amount of actual platforming challenges
Sunshine wasn't very good, and Galaxy scaled back the movement system to a detrimental degree. If anything Odyssey is pushing the series into a positive direction

>>717399798
>>No damsel in distress because God forbid
it's actually just because one of the lead developers has two daughters so he made peach and daisy playable for them

>>717396158
This is what I felt the later Mario platformers missed; they were all unique from SMB1 to SMW and even SMB2JP had some unique stuff (Luigi's physics, reverse warps, etc). NSMB the first game at least had some unique bosses and it was a return to form, but the subsequent games weren't interesting. NSMB2 was when I realized they were creatively bankrupt. If you dive further into the SML games, SML3 was a gateway into a new platformer franchise. NSMB only led to Wonder, which was more or less the same game with a better presentation. If anything, it was easier than NSMB. If they want to salvage the work the put into Wonder, a sequel that changes a lot of the original game needs to happen. They'll have to really go outside the box and do something with it that no one expects.

>>717395127
2D mario is just boring.Odyssey mogs wonder hard.

>>717404707
SMW is better than any of the 3d games

>>717404750
you've been contrarian poisoned little nigga

>>717397871
Don't forget about
>Pokegay Shit and Vandalism
>Pokegay Laggy G-AF (Who gives a fuck)
Give me Time Stranger already Bandai god

>>717398196
Anon, Mario doesn't say the bing part. That's just the sound effect of him jumping.

>>717395127
New Super Mario Bros. wore 2D Mario out, Mario Maker drove that stake in harder. Mario Wonder has nice animations but it's ultimately just a slightly more expressive New Super Mario Bros.
Combine that with the repeat bosses and you've just got another forgettable Mario experience.

>>717402873
retconned. yoshi is now related to koopas.

>>717405815
>it's ultimately just a slightly more expressive New Super Mario Bros
...with better more creative level design, sure

>>717404750
Yeah smw is great but when was the last great 2d mario game? Wonder is alright but nothing all that special, all the new super games are bland af.
3d mario has been consistently 10/10 almost every game.

>>717405960
>sunshine
>10/10

Wonder desperately needed a Luigi U like expansion. That's actually mildly challenging

>>717406136
>I have 0 arguments, just funny reaction images

>>717406006
I was gonna say "except sunshine" but I didnt want the sunshinefags getting uppity.

Mario Wonder is a perfect example of what happens when you have run out of ideas but you try really hard to make it seem like you haven't

Are people who prefer NSMB and call Wonder "forced soul"/"forced animation" brain damaged?

>>717406450
>people who prefer NSMB
I don't think people like this exist, the people who claim wonder is forced soul aren't tendies in the first place

>>717404080
>it felt more like a level pack for Galaxy 1 than it's own game
Pretty sure that's what it was. It is the only instance of two 3D Mario games coming out on the same system, and the first time since the NES where they released two mainline titles on the same console.

>>717402967
Wasn't that in a Superstars thread?
Yeah it was funny as fuck think it was a seagull

>>717406776
Pretty sure it was someone malding hard over wanting the Mario Wonder XCI files asap since they leaked before Wonder did. It has been awhile so don't quote me on it but it sure was fucking funny and retarded.

>>717402182
DKC1-2 shit all over SMW though

OOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>717406510
I saw pro-NSMB artsyle contrarianism back then.

>>717396361
Why on emulator? Does Yuzu have a noticeable input delay or something?

>>717407324
i played it on ryujinx and it ran just fine. pretty sure my rig is considered low-mid range at this point as well

>>717406339
i agree but it has sold 16 million units at 60 dollars + tip and probably wasnt very expensive to make

>>717394904 (OP)
>mario wonder still gets threads to this day
What went right?

>>717394904 (OP)
Such a short and easy game. They really needed to put more stuff in it.

It was probably as good as 3/SMW. The problem is 2D Mario in the modern day is just boring, even if you do give it a more fun artstyle.

Mario needs to push the bounderies of game design, which is why 3D Mario does better. Say what you want about Sunshine/Galaxy/Odyssey but that's exactly what they did. And they were revered for it.
They're not stuck in the past like 2D Mario.

>>717396760
No. Mario 64 was great. sunshine was fun. galaxy was great. then a lot of meh until odyssey which was also great. There's nothing not to get. You just hate fun.

>>717397478
>mario on gamecube
>edge
That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Not only did they make him doughier he had a stupid talking nozzle on his back. I love the game but there is no edge there. At least 64 had that fuckin eel and bowser scream roaring even when you just grabbed his tail.

>>717407510
i didnt mind the length there is just 0 replayability because a big chunk of the content is just "look at this crazy gimmick"
>>717407558
its crazy how the first smb and 64 are still the best ones all these years later

>>717407690
I don't really see what that anon is talking about either, but to their point, I'm pretty sure back then is when Miyamoto specifically said he was pushing to make Mario edgier and cooler.

>>717397026
I like the talking flower but I recently saw a youtuber show the japanese voice and how it's better. I'm not weeb enough to turn that on.

>>717407726
>the first smb
>the best one

>>717407728
What he means to say is mario was cooler back then. And he was cooler but that was because we were younger.

>>717403498
i agree with you, but i saw more focus on level design, and creating new enemies. Oddysey however is just trash, style over substance.

>>717397871
>Kirby and the Forgotten Game
KEK that got me and I love that game. At least nintendo fans can handle the banter.

>>717407823
>odyssey hater is an esl third worlder that can't spell
can't even make it up

>>717394904 (OP)
This game is literally too bright, colorful and cheery. And if we aren't rescuing peach from bowser give us a new villian. Is bowser a king trying to complete his family or is he just evil as shit and wants to conquer everything?

>>717407995
who gives a shit you fat fuck. take the stick out of your ass.

>>717407995
nah it's fine as is and will sell millions fuck you

>>717407761
its the one i feel like playing the most
short sweet and has some decent difficulty

>>717396760
He was always a little bland back in the day BUT his games were great and varied. It was after nsmb that his whole brand was completely sterilized. Odyssey is a massive outlier that game is very different from what had been going on in Mario. After that though it was right back to the status quo.

>>717407859
This is the most pathetic reply I've ever read. You guys sound like nationalist retards but over videogame companies.

>>717407859
i want to play the kirby game but i dont want to pay 60 dollars for it when there are plenty of other games to play for cheaper/free

Was there a single wonder reference in MKW? I feel like Nintendo wants to forget this game too

>>717407891
whatever helps you cope