Thread 717424080

>anime has adventurer guild
>inspired by RPG video game trope
>no game actually does this

>>717424080 (OP)
It would be either a tavern, inn or shop. Morrowind has this though.

>>717424080 (OP)
Monster Hunter

fighters guild in tes is practically it

>>717424080 (OP)
Literally Wizardry. All anime RPG tropes are downstream from Wizardry.

Chris is the most molestable character in anime

>>717424289
>no wizards
>non D&D setting

>>717424080 (OP)
you shouldn't be able to talk about anime fantasy tropes if you haven't played dragon quest

Metaphor has this

>>717424080 (OP)
i absolutely loathe the amount of (usually shitty isekai) series that are literally just MMOs but they dont take place in a fucking game. theres just text boxes that pop up and they read, everyone has stats for some reason and literally no one even entertains the idea that this isnt fucking weird. solo leveling is easily the worst offender in recent memory because its just straight up a normal world but sometimes oblivion gates just open and everyone has a class.

>>717425292
>anime is unrealistic
welcome to the genre

>>717425292
One of my rules for reading manga is if someone opens a video game interface in real life I drop it immediately

>>717425292
I liked that one where the guy can order food online in the fantasy world

>>717425292
In writing, this is called a litrpg, and it's been a thing for a while now.

they literally do this in DQ3
why do you people complain about this shit when you don't play games

>>717424080 (OP)
FF Tactics Advance comes to mind.

Most DRPGs do this
OP is a faggot

>>717424080 (OP)
Wizardry Daphne

>>717425292
Wow I guess you hate fantasy.

>>717425292
when you really think about it, a seemingly omnipotent 2D plane that everyone can see, appears wherever you are, and knows everything about you at any given time is pretty suspicious. too many series sandbag how weird that shit would be because from a game standpoint youre character isnt the one manually going through menus

>>717425590
>Patty's Party Planning Place

literally not a guild, honestly the worst suggestion of the thread

>>717424080 (OP)
Is this some kind of joke?

>>717424851
So you're just going to goalpost move the entire thread whenever someone points out a game that proves you wrong?

>>717424080 (OP)
Are the mods culling /a/ or something? Go back, as the kids say.
>>>/a/

>>717425740
DRPGs suck, unfortunately

>>717424080 (OP)
Ragnarok Online.

>>717424080 (OP)
Violated Heroine does this.

>>717424891
Which Dragon Quest game has an adventurer's guild?

>>717424080 (OP)
Genshin Impact has an Adventurer's Guild

>>717425740
>DRPGs
Danish RPGs?

>>717426535
It's not even called an adventurer guild anon
No ranks
You don't get quests there
You just make your characters there

Some pretty basic parameters to meet

>>717426813
9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1C45Qhn_l8

>>717426157
Alright wise guy how about dq9
The inn has a portal where you can recruit other characters and dungeon maps to explore

>>717424080 (OP)
I've been waiting for the isekai and litrpg craze to inspire a game like this (adventure guild party dungeon crawler) for like 10 years now

>>717426996
The party planner is not an adventures' guild.

>>717427057
Bro, in DQ9 it's also Patty's Party Planning Place. Have you played these games.

>Game has healers/clerics
>theyre the most powerful, useful and desirable class
many such cases

>>717426535
Consider the goalpost moved, idc, the trope is pretty well known that these are the basic parameters

>Detailed static background
>fuzzy, off-model characters moving around on it
Pet peeve tbqhwy senpai.

Our Adventurer's Guild

>>717427178
What's the difference? The business is serving the same purpose. You're just acting as the contractor rather than the work force.

>>717426852
genshin doesn't have a skip button so doesn't count

>>717426045
Everyone can see everyone's UI?

>>717424080 (OP)
>Wizardry series
>Etrian Odyssey series
>Final Fantasy Tactics series
>Dragon Quest 3 and 9
>Ragnarok Online

>>717427520
They don't give you quests. You're not acting as anything for them.

>>717427520
I think it fits the trope but someone wanted to be 'in' an adventurer guild they wouldn't be getting that in DQ imo

>>717425292
Solo leveling is dogshit

>>717427484
based, that was my indie GOTY

>>717427304
impressive how often they need Aqua's hot bare ass to move the plot along

I hate this new breed of meta fantasy where everything needs to be a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" trope. I guess it was only a matter of time before le irony humor found its way to Japan.

>>717424715
That anatomy is terrible.

>>717427960
the story literally started because of her, and it can't continue without her

>>717427304
>Game has healers
>They're nothing but a hindrance
>Never actually help you when the chips are down

>>717428019
You're supposed to ignore that and focus on the torn clothes and exposed flesh

>>717425292
Why would it be weird if it has been a thing in-universe for decades? I don't like it either though and solo leveling is trash

>>717428085
>playing MMO's
>relying on other human beings to heal you

>>717427304
Mages are the best class though

>>717424715
Is this the one where thats actually a boy? Hot

>>717424080 (OP)
quest for glory

>>717424080 (OP)
>

>>717424080 (OP)
The Guild 2.
I haven't played this game but I'm sure it fits yw

literally TES, except Adventurer Guild would easily fit the Mages & Fighters & Arrow to the Knee guild under the same umbrella.
old D&D you used to meet at the Tavern where the barkeep was your source of work & rumor. but japanese devs sanitized that in to the "Hello Work" office

>>717425292
blame sword art online and log horizon. solo leveling is like the third guy in human centipede.

>>717425292
I personally hate magical girl anime because mascot characters are not real in real life and would be weird if they were normal

>>717425368
anime is not a genre. animation is a medium, anime is a word that vaguely describes animation from japan or some sort of animation that pays homage to japanese animation styles. a genre would be something like horror or comedy.

>>717427976
it's cause fat white women and fat white women (male) are in the writer's room and most of them loathe this kind of stuff. some of them love it autistically but they also like gay romance so they shouldnt be allowed to write either.

>>717428168
>*Knights are the best class though

>>717424891
you shouldn't be allowed to talk about anime fantasy tropes if you haven't played through Ultima 1-5

also dragon quest is trash

>>717428168
I will make Megumin... Pregumin.

>>717424080 (OP)
wrong!
https://youtu.be/KuU6G92UtaM?feature=shared&t=1138

>>717424080 (OP)
sounds like you need to play more RPG Maker H-games.

>>717424080 (OP)
it's too "tropey" for modern devs, which is why we don't see it anymore, same with the classic depiction of fantasy races, can't have that anymore even though it hasn't been done in over 20 years.

>>717425292
I also stop reading a manga or stop watching an anime if they pull up a video game menu and have stats or a class. I'm just so bored of it and it's never used for anything fun or interesting; it's just there to use the common shorthand for whether or a character is overpowered or underpowered due to numerical values.

I think it's fine in actual MMO isekai fiction where it's supposed to be a normal function of a video game to convey hard mechanical rules of the setting, but bothers me in traditional fantasy.

>>717424080 (OP)
>"Silver rank huh"
>*spits in your face*
>"Let's go"

>>717424080 (OP)
Final fantasy 14, but the player character very swiftly outpaces being just an adventurer so has minimal interaction with it.

>>717427484
>Our Adventurer's Guild
is that the porn game?

>>717426813
They don't use the name adventurer's guild, but for example in DQ3 you go to a pub to register adventurers for your party, and Adventure Guilds in shows like this often double as bars too, showing the obvious influence.

Really not sure why the name "Adventurer's Guild" itself caught on or the specific origin. I know Ultima Online used the term "guilds" but they didn't work like this.

Also, you can see actual named guilds in games from the 00s, like Etrian Odyssey.

>>717428210
Sauce, nigger.

Blaze and blade:eternal quest - a ps1 game. God I wish someone would steal the games gameplay and remake it...

>>717429631
>Really not sure why the name "Adventurer's Guild" itself caught on or the specific origin
It was in every web novel that sprung up during the isekai gold rush of the '10s. It fit the low effort settings they all copied and pasted perfectly

>>717424532
Why do the Japs love Wizardry and Ultima so fucking much? Like the rest of the world has moved on from those two series, yet they are constantly being referenced in Japanese media to this day.

>>717425712
>you can't actually use monsters and they're just summons for one of the weakest classes in the game
Thanks I hate it

>>717428279
Those were actual video games though, not "MC saw boobs for the first time and got a heart attack and now he reincarnated into a video game as a loser- oh wait he's a god now and he has a harem of girls with animal ears." light novels.

>>717425994
More like people hate lazy story telling. They use things like adventure guilds with rankings and explicit stat screens to make up for a lack of writing ability. Need to show that the hero is stronger than everyone but is also an underdog? Instead of writing a nauced character arc, just give him god-like stats on the magic RPG screen with a cheat ability, but have him only as a c-rank adventurer.

The thing is, even older anime as derivative as it is still wasn't as lazy as this shit from the last 10 years. Look at Record of Lodoss, as generic as can be fantasy. It's literally based off a D&D campaign. But they don't devolve into talking about their characters stat sheets or talk about how Parn rolled a natural 20 to avoid the dragon's attack, which is exactly what modern isekai would do if it was inspired by table tops games instead of mmos.

>>717428450
too big

The concept of "Adventurer" is pretty retarded to begin with

>>717429631
in some jap wizardrys like the ps2 game tales of forsaken land you recruit party members in "adventurer's guild" (though its only called "guild" in the localization). the game has bar separately for accepting quests. I dont know if there are earlier examples but thats already like 2001 or something.

>>717429994
Probably because japs still release new wizardry games, to them it's not a dead series. They started in 1991 with fucking gameboy and they released something like 30 titles, that's the latest I think.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2379740/Wizardry_Variants_Daphne/

>>717424080 (OP)
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

>>717430406
This game would be great if it wasn't gacha

>>717430324
Would Aqua understand you were raping her or just let it happen so she could sleep it off?

>>717425292
To be fair, solo leveling at least had an in-universe reasons for its systems
>People gained magic out of nowhere
>>It was a precursor to the monarch war, they pumped the world full of mana to lay the ground for their arrival and humans got affected, at first people were weirded out but they adapted
>MC's game interface
>>The shadow monarch's minion designed it that way because it would be easier for a human to adapt to something they are familiar with

Honestly SL is probably one of the least offenders regarding this

>>717430175
I know. I actually enjoyed both way back when. but my point is that the trope is so tired and derivative today that they stretch it to ridiculous proportions just to stand out. I haven't even seen "i reincarnated as slime" or whatever it's called but the premise from what I can see is the perfect example of what I'm talking about.

>>717430626
Except it follows all the boring tropes of isekai

>>717430186
It's the inevitable conclusion of inbreeding.
>wow this anime with video game elements is really popular, i should do that
>wow reincarnation means i don't need to think of backstories
>wow if i make mc just like me it's easy to self insert
And then that got popular, and then it got copied. Then the copies get copied and you repeat that for, what, 20 years?

>>717430786
yeah but it was made by gooks so gooks have to pretend it isn't derivative garbage

>>717430352
Oh, didn't know it went back to the PS2. I know the newest Japanese Wizardry game outright uses the "Adventurer's Guild" term in the same sense as isekai anime, but I couldn't find when it started doing that.

>>717424080 (OP)
>no game actually does this
Wizardry, Monster Hunter, Elder Scrolls

>>717430534
Is still great even as it is, I'm playing it and after 10 years you don't feel the need to waste a single cent

>>717430786
>yo wtf the MC is just some fucking guy tho

>>717430775
So did I. Shit like Sword Art Online, Log Horizon, No Game No Life, even Overlord? Those were pretty damn good.
But there's just so much actual shit. It's gotten to the point where if I look for new anime and see the word "reincarnation" anywhere and it's a light novel adaptation I won't even give it a chance to interest me.
Modern studio originals can be good, like Zenshuu.

>>717424080 (OP)
Etrian Odyssey

>>717426813
DQ3 and DQ9

>>717429994
Do they actually still care about Ultima? I mean for sure Dragon Quest and FF and older jrpgs are heavily influenced by it, but I feel no one in general has cared about Ultima since Ultima Online, mainly thanks to EA owning the series.

>>717430538
she would create water inside your lungs and drown (You).
not me though, she'd leglock me and kiss my neck

I can't stand grass pickers and F-RANK BUT ACTUALLY THE STRONGEST characters, but I'm a huge fucking contrarian and very much enjoy reading Isekai Doctor.
I like reading our world concepts clashing with magical whimsy isekai concepts, anyone got any more suggestions similar to it in theme?

>>717431392
It's essential boomercore.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ウルティマ
https://x.com/search?f=tweets&q=ウルティマ
https://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/%E3%82%A6%E3%83%AB%E3%83%86%E3%82%A3%E3%83%9E?sort=f&order=d

>>717429994
>the rest of the world moves to fotmo depressionsloppa walking simulators
>why aren't you following the *correct* trends like a proper goy?! you can't do that!!

>>717432103
There are a couple of Isekai Doctor manga. Are you talking about the one where he is actually a doctor and is teaching medicine to the beast races because only human's have healing magic? Cause that one is DOPE.

Isekai Izakaya "Nobu" is one of the only other isekai I like. It's about an izakaya. Nothing fancy, nothing magical, just an ordinary izakaya that is somehow connected to fantasy land. The proprietor doesn't have any special powers, he is just a modern chef. Yet somehow by simply by attending to his costumer's needs while providing them a peaceful respite, cold beer, delicious food, and a sympathetic ear he helps troubled people navigate their lives.

I am not honestly sure of its influence in Japan but Ragnarok Online pretty much codified the generic mmo anime rpg feel back in the early 2000s. Its weird because to this day, no mmo or rpg feels quite like it back in its golden age. Like as in, you literally had adventurers going around prontera, payon or izlude inquiring about forming parties to go on adventures. It would often have the typical anime isekai party of veteran player who plays knight, a semi rookie archer or thief, an acolyte who's almost always a girl, maybe a merchant and finally some novice who doesnt know what he or she is doing.
The advent of the modern internet pretty much prevents organic adventures or party finding like this from happening ever again. You had to be there.

>>717429294
no it's basically fantasy XCOM with guild management instead of base management
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2026000/Our_Adventurer_Guild/

>>717433232
Completely mogged by FFXI in Japan. FFXI defo had that vibe when it was still live and not in zombie mode. You couldn't solo shit, you needed to form connections to actual people and be able to work together as a cohesive party without ego or a bad attitude because some of those Notorious Monsters were insane in how long the battles were and how much coordination it took. If you couldn't cooperate like actual friends and work together towards a common goal it wasn't the game for you.

I miss my old Link Shell and the adventures we had together. Life goes on, you grow up, and people drift apart.

>>717433595
shame it isn't a porn game, but I'll take it

>>717424080 (OP)
The main hub areas in MMOS are this essentially. They just lack the granular details like ordering food and drinks

>>717433015
I specifically meant "Any Sufficiently Advanced Medical Science Is Indistinguishable From Magic", yeah. It's great.
>Isekai Izakaya "Nobu"
This looks neat as well, thanks anon.

>>717431120
based

>>717425994
>>717425368
its just lazy, even OPs pic and stuff like overlord or SAO give a reason to why the world works that way. i know im expecting too much from isekai self inset power fantasy but if i have to see one more "hero was TRAPPED and BETRAYED in a DUNGEON by his part for 1000 years and now hes grinded to level 999" story come across my screen im going to fucking lose it

>>717424080 (OP)
The Bracer Guild in the Trails series.

I fucking love adventure guilds. It's such a rock solid gameplay structure. Just go to the board and select a quest. Elegance in simplicity.

>>717429994
Because those games are actually good

>>717428658
i can only wish she'd pee on me

>>717431120
It wasn't a good book to be fair.

>>717424532
>All anime RPG trope—
Megaten

>>717425292
my tolerance for generic anime has decreased
I also never liked isekai
I dont even consider myself anime fan anymore, though I like a lot of older stuff. Haven't been interested in a new series for years.

>>717425292
Isekei in general is leading to the direct downfall of anime as a medium.

>>717424080 (OP)
>>717424851
Some Wizardry games have a guild that provides quests.

>>717429994
Wizardry and Ultima introduced Japs to RPGs. West had DnD in that role.

>>717429802
what made it good?

>>717425292
RPG mechanics are just another form of cultivation. It focuses on raw numbers instead of chinese esotericism is all.

>>717429994
It's more like those games had such a big influence on video game RPGs to them that the JRPG genre is just cargo culting tropes and mechanics that have their source in those games. It's like how if someone wants to include fantasy races they'll be influenced by LOTR even if they're not consciously trying to copy LOTR, simply because of how influential it was. Or Dante for Christian mythology.

in ffta you had missions, at least the vibe is similar but I don't remember how you took them.

>>717424080 (OP)
The Trails series is based entirely on this trope.

Also the real shame is how games just stopped trying to do classic D&D style dungeon crawling. Especially when extraction and battle royale games started getting popular.
Dark & Darker got halfway there, someone just needs to take that idea and make it an actual game.

>>717424080 (OP)
The thing you have to remember about a lot of LN fantasy writers is they don't actually play video games they just get all their knowledge of fantasy from other anime and manga. Your 80s primordial JRPG makers played D&D and Wizardry and Ultima and translations of western fantasy literature like Lord of the Rings, Elric of Melnibone, pulp stuff like Robert E Howard's Conan the Barbarian were all popular. People building nascent genres were experiencing all kinds of different media, that just really doesn't exist these days in a way that makes it to mass media production.
So they're just vaguely aware of shit like Dragon Quest 3 or Wizardry or whatever where you go to a place and all your RPG-ing shit that isn't an item shop or an inn happens there but they have no actual firsthand experience.

They're like /v/, they don't play video games.

On the other side of the gender gap you have the whole villainess story element. That's referencing very specifically one game series, Angelique.
You think all these manga writers all of a sudden played an otome game from the 90s?
No, you're a hero, put on this Erdrick cosplay, go kill a demon king, check in with the local union office, that's all that fantasy amounts to for these guys.

>>717428176
No, it's actually the Avatar of the Goddess Eris

Anime

>>717440594
We'll get some in the wave of clones that spring up after Notch releases his dungeon crawler

>>717426045
I wonder how anime characters would think watching us though
>so you’re telling me all these characters willingly give their notGold to a single organization and they don’t even keep it in a vault? You go to the Merchant’s guild and they can refuse to give you your own money but also everyone agrees to use this system?

>>717428283
are you a fan of solo levelling by any chance?

>>717424080 (OP)
>Not a single vidya where you get into a city like this as a lvl 1 nobody, get into the guild, roam the city for quests and just fucking around, then go out of the city on dungeon raids and shit

>>717433232
>>717433704
RO, FFXI and Mabinogi set the foundations of a lot of the Anime takes on MMOs and game mechanics. Of course Wizardry, Final Fantasy and DQ also pop in there.

>>717440320
In FFTA the client gives the quest to the barkeep, who then sells the detailed information to the clan that wants to do the quest. It’s what I immediately thought of opening the thread too

>>717440928
for me, it's swooshy sword girl

>>717440909
Anon, literally Ragnarok Online. That is what Prontera looks like. See >>717440926
Many of these isekai anime have been inspired by early mmos.

>>717440594
>Also the real shame is how games just stopped trying to do classic D&D style dungeon crawling. Especially when extraction and battle royale games started getting popular.
>Dark & Darker got halfway there, someone just needs to take that idea and make it an actual game.
I want a Dark & Darker but PVE only.

>>717440909
skyrim
second town technically but it's pretty close to the start

>>717441051
While I'm sure that anon didn't know that, it's not actually an answer. No one wants to play an mmo. They want the single player power fantasy that comes with the modern isekai formula

>>717425292
I wonder if solo leveling explained itself better in the manga.
In the show they said monsters came from gates and human weapons (guns/bombs/nukes/swords/bats/etc) didn't work on them, and only weapons made from the monsters could kill them.
I dropped the show instantly. They couldn't kill monsters to make weapons to kill the monsters.

>>717440926
>mabinogi
sadly mabinogi was ruined with catch-up mechanics
you now skip 90% of the game and max out all the skills you want as soon as you finish the starter quests

fucking hate what they did with mabi
such a cool game, and no one's tried to even remotely imitate any of it's systems

>>717440909
ffta lol

>>717441078
Deep rock galactic.
>but it's not fantasy!
make it. it's free real estate.

>>717441195
Because the single player experience doesnt just translate well imo to the bustling experience of what these isekai anime portray which is supposed to be a parody of mmos.
https://youtu.be/x9CzAlazGPI?si=xvzj6BMWUclzPzKP

>>717441078
I don't even mind the PVP, I just want it to be an actual game and not just a shitty battle royale with some pointless loot involved.

>>717441078
whatyou think about this
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3126410/Expedition_Into_Darkness/

>>717427304
>healer has an absurdly broken offensive spell thats so abhorrent the goddess she prays to has banned it
Or something like that idk its been a while sinc ei read this

>>717441321
>sadly mabinogi was ruined with catch-up mechanics
All long running online games get ruined by updates. It is inevitable.

I just want more games with retarded goddesses.

>>717441138
>guy who's first RPG was skyrim:
>"im pickin up some skyrim vibes from this"

>>717425292
Solo Levelling at least has very specific reasons for why things are set up the way they are and really the main character is the only one who has a status screen.

Angels are using dungeons to slowly expose humans to magic so when they fight a new war against demons in a decade or two the humans don't all die from magic radiation. The status screen is set up as a ritual to train the MC into becoming the host of the reincarnation of a dead angel/demigod.

>>717436887
megaten is downstream of wizardry

>>717441298
I don't remember if the manwa had it spelled out like that but I think those who awaken as mages know spells so in theory mages could've killed the first monsters.

>>717427304
>healers not only can heal and make your party practically invincible they also are the second best class for damage dealing

>>717441464
Looks interesting. Good to know someone is trying to do it.

>>717425740
Etrian Odyssey does, but the classic dungeon RPGs in the west (Dungeon Master, Eye of the Beholder, Black Crypt, Legend of Grimrock) don't.

>>717427057
>>717427275
Fuck I miss DQ9. Upset that Nintendo shut down online services.

>>717441417
Oh I'm aware. I'm just pointing out how it has shifted as time has gone on. But I also think the rise of "slice of life" and comfy games and books has paved the way for someone to make something like this in single player. Think Stardew Valley or Animal Crossing with the faux sociality of the npcs and festivals but with an emphasis on taking your pixel friends into a dungeon instead of harvesting fruit.

>>717424289
/thread

>>717424080 (OP)
Wizardry
FFXIV
The Pathfinder Society from Pathfinder
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
Trails in the sky
Alvorra tactics

I would say games with mercenary companies too like Daemon X Machina but I'm not even sure that should count.

>>717441417
It's kinda amazing how much effort went into the fake game. That looks like it could be a real game.

>>717441690
Welcome to 3.5 D&D.

>>717424080 (OP)
Considering that Tales of Vesperia has the character Megumin rips off wholesale, I'd hope you would've thought of it before making this post.

>>717441469
It's a defensive spell, but Priestess abused it for offense instead, in a quite brutal way too from what I remember, and her goddess was like "fuck you, you can't do that, do that shit correctly next time or else"

>>717424080 (OP)
idk how no one's mentioned Dragon's Dogma
but I do know why, they used this dumb pawn mechanic to facilitate the dumb story

>>717441469
That's just it, it's not an offensive spell. It's "Purify Water", the water in question being all the blood in someone's body.

I still think it's fucking hilarious that the goddess "Fantasy" made a party of what was supposed to eventually be the new platinum heros then fucked up all of her rolls leading to "Reality" slaughtering almost all of them, only to have GS take over and started training a character with INSANE potential the art of war crimes, subterfuge, and genocide. Even with three new characters designed to lead away from that and back towards "normal" adventures, Goblin Slayer's influence is too strong and now the babu can use her newfound creativity to fuck with everyone's plans.

>>717431267
This has already been proven wrong.

>>717431085
I just can't do it. I tried it a lot and even rerolled until I got a great starting party. I hope it does well enough to fund a non gacha game though

>>717441690
>healers can learn literally any spell or weapon technique, on top of their already overpowered special healing skills only they get to use

>>717442248
they'll just make a new gacha game since its success has proven there's enough idiots who will pay for gacha trash

>>717441934
Pathfinder Society is weird and meta since its an ingame organization but also the organized play system for conventions and stores.

>>717442323
>overpowered special healing skills
Dood?

>>717440649
>You think all these manga writers all of a sudden played an otome game from the 90s?
How do I trust that you know about those games better than these writers? You haven't met them.

Long Live the Queen. This is an otome game that isn't from Japan, but already has many elements from villainess stories, like death flags, ceremonies or events that you read in a wikia. If an American game has that, there might be spinoff Angelique games that the writer played and we haven't translated it.

But you insist that the writer has NOT played any game whatsoever. When even some /v/ poster here played Skyrim? how do you know? What if they did play skyrim? One isekai is about parry, what if parry is a reference to dark souls?

>>717442440
Makes sense seeing as in universe and irl it's they're meant to help teach and provide resources for adventurers. That's why in both Pathfinder owlcat games a pathfinder society representative is responsible for respeccing and recruiting.

>>717442107
Wtf thats the plot now? Last i remember they were killing goblins

>>717425292
Japanese NEETS can’t into fantasy unless it’s just like their MMOs. Literally 90% isekais gain nothing for the MC being from “the real world” but they do it anyways for “self insertion”

>>717424080 (OP)
Pokemon mystery dungeon is all about this

>most western “isekais” revolve around the protagonist wanting to go back home to their world
>most eastern isekais have the protagonist barely mention missing their old life past a certain point
Something something society

>>717425292
Solo Leveling is Huntershit, the basic premise of all Huntershit is that the world was turned into a pseudo video game when dungeons started to pop up and now they're a regular part of society because dungeon loot is extremely valuable. Nobody in universe questions the video game shit because Huntershit is typically set years after the dungeons first emerged.

>>717442719
Nta but it's pretty clear most of the modern otome and villainess stories are copying one another while occasionally someone comes up with a new spin and then that spin gets a bunch of authors copying it. That genre is my guilty pleasure and I read so much of them that they start to blend together in my head because the elements are so similar.

>>717440649
America isn't much better. Modern fantasy doesn't reference Lord of the Rings, Three Hearts and Three Lions, The Dragon and the George, or any of the 80s fantasy like Magic Kingdom For Sale or Spellsinger; it references D&D and maybe Harry Potter.

>>717443023
yes, the mc is literally a self insertion.
a literary device so the audience has a means of experiencing the story from the pov of a newcomer

>>717425292
>>717425430
There's this novel called The Magus World where the protagonist and the protagonist only can create a profile-like image in his brain of himself just like an RPG character and the reason for that is because he got an AI Chip in his brain that can analyze his capabilities and let him "see" them visually.
That was the only time I didn't drop a novel because of it, as the author was actually trying to make sense of it.

>>717440909
literally balmora, just make it brown and racist

>>717435914
i liked the female sidekick and the part where it explained about cost of living vs wages

>>717428658
ncie!

>>717439186
i wanted to kill the new wizardry but the touch mechanic the entire game is based around is broken in the pc port...

early mmos felt like anime isekai worlds to me. by early i mean 20th century

>>717443325
It depends on the western isekai:

A Princess of Mars - The guy comes back to earth by accident and the book is a journal he left to his nephew while he was searching for a way back.

Dragon and the George - The guy mainly wants to get back to his girlfriend/wife and not be a dragon. Once he's been back in the real world for a while he's fine with going back to fantasy world as long as his wife's there.

Thomas Covenant - The guy had an extreme case of leprosy and spent the first three books convinced everything was an elaborate halluncination.

Magic Kingdom For Sale SOLD! - Everything is set up by the main bad guy to try and force the dude to leave so he regains possession of the kingdom and can sell it to another schmuck.

Gandalara Cycle - Guy wants to go back but eventually figures out he was reincarnated and the world is post-apocalypse.

Guardians of the Flame (Possibly the first LitRPG ever published) - Bad guy sends D&D group to other world as their player characters. They have to trek across the continent to open the door back to their world which will let the bad guy return from our world. D&D group forced to settle in world as they almost die fighting dragon guarding door.

>>717444507
There was a not-Wizardry dungeon rpg made by Wizardry's creators in the early 2000s that I wound up returning to the store because the dungeons flat out refused to load on ATI graphics cards and clicking the gate to the dungeon caused the game to crash.

>>717444767
Anyway mostly with western isekai it depends on the person's state on whether they want to go back.

Dying in hospital bed = wants to stay
Living just fine = wants to go back, even if they're working a dead end retail job or are a broke college student.

>>717424080 (OP)
true.

>>717425292
Just like with books and movies, 99% of anime is dogshit.

The reason nobody in the West can really point to the true origin of the "adventurer guild" trope was because the "adventurer guild" trope was popularized by Japanese tabletop RPGs in the 80s and 90s, as well as Replays (LNs that are basically story retellings of Japanese TRPG campaigns) which are extremely niche and untranslated in the West. You'll notice almost everything present in modern "RPG/MMO fantasy" anime actually originated in Japanese tabletop RPG circles and their stories/replays in the 80s and 90s. Adventurer guilds, catgirl slaves, menus and stats somehow being a part of the world, round circular cities, everything.

>>717424080 (OP)
ff14

>>717445452
Catgirl slaves were in Western fantasy and sci-fi though.

>>717440594
>The Trails series is based entirely on this trope.
Yeah, and Cold Steel ruined it. Along with everything else.

>>717445452
Semi-related note, Sword World (Japan's oldest and most popular tabletop RPG) is getting an official translation finally.
Sword World's playerbase spawned most of the RPG fantasy tropes common in anime, manga and light novels today.

>>717445452
Leave it to gooks to bureaucratize adventure

>>717445282
But the other 1% is kino.

>>717443653
yeah, but how do you jump from that to "no one has played games".
it feels like saying "no one has played skyrim", in game fanfiction, how tf do you even know that. maybe many people play skyrim or clones and thats why it sells.

>>717446072
male swimwear challenge is so kino. Whoever thought of it deserves 72 virgins in the afterlife.

>>717446637
>the other 1% is kino.
Quite literally so. Kino no Tabi's also technically an isekai since each country she visits is basically its own unique little world.

>>717424080 (OP)
EXPLOSION

>>717433015
>Isekai Izakaya "Nobu"
That one is pretty good. It may be a "Japanese food greatest in world" type, but it does a good job of showing that it's because it's a new type of food to the land, the head chef is extremely skilled, and the restaurant has access to modern day ingredients. I liked the part where the restaurant got in trouble for the beer they served, it was fun to see the community the restaurant built work to help it. The community aspect is honestly a big part of why it works so well.

>>717424080 (OP)
>CRTL + F
>No Grandia to be found
I’m disappointed in you /v/, the leading heroine Feena, literally COMES from an adventures guild but then ditches it to join Justin’s more free-roaming adventure.

>>717424715
Chris is best girl.

Imagine

>>717424080 (OP)
What in the hell is an Adventurer?

>>717445452
>round circular cities
Was that because it's easy to draw one on a piece of paper?

>>717450604
>but then ditches it to join Justin’s more free-roaming adventure
do you realize how dumb you sound?

>>717424080 (OP)
The Elder Scrolls inspired 95% of anime fantasy elements. The goblin quests in Oblivion are copied 1:1 in many anime, Goblin Slayer even quotes Oblivion NPC dialogue a couple of times.

>>717424080 (OP)
Trails' bracer guild is essentially this.

>>717428019
Animefags hate good anatomy.

>>717440909
Ive always wondered how these wall cities deal with population growth

>>717451378
In the olden days, it was someone who fought for money or land (basically a mercenary) and was used kind of derogatorily for people as a way to denote people who want things for no greater purpose

>>717451378
a person who adventures
a guild is a group of specialized people
so and adventurers guild is where specialized people who adventure meet up

>>717446983
Elainas world is really weird its like a gazillion schizo city states no actual big countries

>>717432103
Doctor Gatto

>>717424080 (OP)
Plenty of games do this but it tends to be a shitty boring mechanic since you usually get fetch or "kill this" quests.
Arc the Lad 2, Atelier Iris 3, there lots of other RPGs but I often avoid ones that are driven off guild quests.

>>717451378
a more combat-oriented version of a Wanderer

>>717441382
>You and your three friends getting paid to get hammered and run around shooting bugs
>Not a fantasy
got a leaf lover over here

>>717444767
You are the first posters to discuss western isekai (portal fantasy) and bring up anything besides Thomas Covenant, a Connecticut Yankee or John Carter.
Those series you listed are new to me.

>>717424080 (OP)
Lufia series features it with the ancient cave, the guild tasks you with retrieving treasure

>>717440909
Balmora
Whiterun
The Imperial City

Man I want a new TES game that doesn’t suck so bad

>>717441564
He’s right

>>717451378
Mercanies/Bounty Hunter/Exterminator for hire

>>717424532
>Wizardry mentioned

>>717424532
>WIZARDRY
>MENTIONED

>>717455038
>people still dont view level-drain enemies as a blessing

>>717425292
Absolutely, its soulless as fuck. It appeals to a very mechanical type of fantasy that I think is only suited for games. It pulls away from a more classical, analog fantasy of being in a strange land with strange characters and instead just feeds the viewers lizard brain with numbers go up.

>>717424080 (OP)
Bard's Tale did it in 1985. It's been in games for 40 years. What are you talking about?

>>717441195
but the entire modern power fantasy isekai forumla is based on SAO.
SAO which was straight about being trapped in an MMO, and two of biggest ones following after were also MMO based (OP bone daddy and mmo economics in the DATABASE)

It wasn't until all these faggots who had never played a videogame in their life wanted to copy what was popular jumped on the train it turned into the statscreen mess isekai is right now.

>>717445452
>Replays (LNs that are basically story retellings of Japanese TRPG campaigns) which are extremely niche and untranslated in the West.
There was a guy on /b/ back in the mid 00s who was translating the Record of Lodoss War replays. They were really funny and nothing like the anime. For example the player who was playing Deedlit was playing her like an Fairy from English folklore. Just constant shit testing and pranks that were so ruthless the player who was playing Parn got killed in the first session thanks to the Deedlit player's bullshit and the DM just rolled back the entire session.

>>717443023
I think part of it is that your typical isekai author just can't come up with a better plot reason for why the MC (for the sake of the audience's understanding) would be constantly getting exposition thrown at him about the most mundane aspects of the fantasy world.

>>717424080 (OP)
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2 and 4

Dragon's Dogma

>>717429994
Because Ultima 8 never came to consoles, and even with ports to NEC systems, Japan wasn't a big PC country. This meant they missed out on the rapid evolution of PC RPGs in the 90s, and instead stuck to console RPGs that still mostly aped from Wizardry

Basically, the West doesn't actively love Ultima and Wizardry as much since they're just one part of the DNA for the last 30 years of RPGs. For Japan, the entire JRPG genre is a Wizardry clone, so Wizardry is just still around

>>717450604
>be part of a monotonous Adventuring Guild™
>what you are doing? let's go on a real ADVENTURE!
I kek when this happens

>>717456250
>Ultima - has an overworld you can walk around in
>Wizardry - only dungeon crawl, you walk in dungeons.
A regular jrpg is both, a few do dungeon crawl-only "Wizardry-lites".

>>717424080 (OP)
Trails in the Sky is entirely about this one mechanic.