>brvtally mogs Final Faggotry and makes FFsnoys cope and sneed

what game should i play first?

a real SaGa chad wouldn't talk like this

>>717427561
he's probably only played the RS2 remake

>>717427479 (OP)
Like, I know it says saga but i always see salsa

>>717429179
same.

These games always kick my ass

>>717427561
He's been making this thread for a while, he's probably the shitposter from the general JRPG ragebait threads

I didn't even know Frontier 2 was already remade/remastered, it came out of nowhere. How is it? A new game when?

TLR 2 never ever

>>717431939
It was too based for this world

>>717431857
They fucked up some of the backgrounds, and there's one new event which is pretty controversial but other than that it's pretty great
>A new game when?
After SF2R came out Kawazu said they were already working on new stuff but we'll need to wait a bit this time, probably another year or two before we see anything new

>>717431857
unlimited saga remake will shadow drop any second now.

They depicted what the Dark Tower would be like traveling in the first game.

>>717427479 (OP)
>game is obtuse and sucks
>no one likes it except hardcore autists
>gains "untranslated gem" status in the west
>official translation finally happens
>everyone finds out that it was obtuse slop all along

>>717427479 (OP)
>um we don’t know how to properly write a linear narrative or balance gameplay so make your own fun $60 btw :)
Nah it was cute when they did it for the FFL games, now it’s just obnoxious

>>717427479 (OP)
I've tried many times to get into this series by playing RS3, but no matter what character's chapter I played, everything I did just felt like one dead end after the other: Areas that either lead to nothing, have really tough monsters, or boss fights where you do barely any damage and then get your ass handed to you within a turn or two. I also had trouble understanding the weird character progression and battle systems.

>>717427551
Frontier 1 or Minstrel Song

>>717435089
An expanded remake of the first game with the original plan for both towers would be pretty cool

>brutally mogs Final Fantasy
>series sucked ass until they started remaking them all with less shit mechanics
that's funny. compare SaGa 1 and FF1 for us. then kill yourself for being a tremendously retarded faggotI just started playing the DS SaGa 2 remake after trying many times to tolerate all the shit from FFL2 that I already slogged through once in my childhood

Am I retarded? I'm a boomer who bought Saga Frontier on launch because I loved Squaresoft so much at the time, and it completely, totally filtered me. I could never figure out what to do, where to go, what the hell was going on. I'd just wander around talking to NPCs, find myself in some random area where the enemies kicked the shit out of me and I wasn't even sure if I should be there, then limp away and repeat. That was decades ago and I still remember the disappointment.

>>717439781
>compare SaGa 1 and FF1 for us.
why? kawazu was a developer for FF1 and crammed it full of sagaisms.

>>717440189
>Am I retarded?
Yeah, but SaGa filtering you has nothing to do with that.
These games show that the vast majority of JRPG fans are completetly helpless the moment they aren't put in linear rat mazes and handheld in literally everything, they're just too complex and demanding for most people.

>>717440189
frontier is unfinished kusoge and its only saving grace is the novelty of playing such an unhinged schizophrenic creation.

I don't believe anyone legitimately enjoys SaGa games, it's just some faggot weeb elitist shit posing by playing the shittiest JRPGs they can find

>>717440820
There's nothing schizophrenic about it.
Your average FF is also just as unfinished if not more despite being way more rudimentary and made with ten times the budget.

>>717440962
I love them and have from the moment I played Frontier on release.

>>717440962
>I don't believe anyone enjoys one of the most influential series ever made
What's your favorite JRPG?

>>717440189
Frontier is one of the few I hesitate to return to. I like the setting, but it surprises me that it's one of the most recommended entries to start with.
>>717433061
I'm hoping for an Unlimited remaster by the end of the year, but realistically I'm expecting 2026 minimum. Then again, we did get EB, RS2 remake and SF2 remaster in the span of a year, so maybe there's a chance.

>>717441096
the Persona games, Dark Cloud 2, FF7

>>717439781
That's your first mistake playing a childhood game always ruins it

>>717441234
You just like shit that's more on rails than SaGa and that's fine. None of those games have any real freedom to them.

>>717441234
>VNs, a mediocre Action games and a movie
Checks out, you don't like RPGs.

>>717436665
boss fights you just have to get lucky and hope they don't use two AoE attacks that wipe your party

>>717427479 (OP)
Unfortunately it's an unfinished mess
>>717427551
Rs2, 1 is shit nowadays, despite being marvelous back then.

>>717429280
Maybe invest more than 5 minutes? You can always restart with your gear. Best ng+ mechanic.

>>717432920
Is the remaster even needed?

>>717427479 (OP)
SaGa is literally just a Final Fantasy spinoff though.
The entire series is descended from the lessons learned in Final Fantasy II.

>>717440189
That's part of SaGa Frontier's charm IMO, even if you're a JRPG veteran it will leave you baffled at first. But if you pay attention to the mechanics, you can try to unravel the mysteries of how they work.

>>717443878
OG SF2 was really rough around the edges and a lot of planned scenarios had to be cut due to part of the team being busy with Legend of Mana, the remaster fixes that by adding quite a few new scenarios that help flesh out many characters who got a very short stick back in the OG and it also adds a long list of improvements and QoL to the base game like the rest of the remasters, on top of some extra challenges, some new playable characters and various functions like the Pocketstation minigame being included and also enhanced.
Like all the other remasters it's very much a director's cut sort of deal and the definitive version of the game.

>>717427551
depends on who you are
do you actually like rpgs? then start with the first one
otherwise don't bother with any of them, they're not for you besides revenge of the seven which is complete bastardization and not a saga game, plus it's in unstraight troongine which means it's automatically a non-game anyways

>>717427561
i've been playing the series from the first incarnation, i talk even more like the parts of that that your faggot nigger ass doesn't like, fuck off you secondary troon

The gameboy games were okay. The Romancing and Frontier games were good.

Everything since has been a complete and utter disaster.

>>717431857
kawazu is already retired, so even if they made a new game, odds aren't good on it even being a saga game, it most likely will be more shitty unrealslop octoslop like the niggering of the seven is

>>717436665
rs3 is a low point, but yeah it expects you to either be familiar with saga or to have an open mind to learn with, which 99% of people going into it aren't going to have either

>>717431939
Squeenix can't be bothered to release the remaster on PC, shit's grim.

>>717439781
saga 1 BRUTALLY fucking mogs ff1 to death and back, you're actually fucking retarded and you don't play rpgs, you play thinly veiled visual novel dating sims wearing rpg clothing, fuck off coomer gooner zoomer nigger faggot

>>717444996
Nah I disagree, Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond are solid but I will not object if the next game is similar to Minstrel Song; if we're stuck on the overworld a third time I am going to be upset.

>>717427479 (OP)
There's three SaGa games renamed Final Fantasy to sell better in America, not the other way around.

>>717444469
So they add quite a few story content? I didn't know. Was repulsed by the ruined backgrounds. Qol + restored content sounds good. Sf1 remaster worth it, too?

>>717440189
yes unironically, frontier is by far one of the easiest games in the series, it's more of a series of expositions in storytelling than it is a deep and enthralling rpg, which was already the direction that rs3 heel-turned to following rs2's very strong very game-heavy singular story approach

>>717440581
this guy gets it, rpg "fans" don't enjoy rpgs at all

>>717441234
>literal non-rpgs
the jokes write themselves

>>717427479 (OP)
I finished revenge of the seven this year and its my favorite jrpg of all time now

>>717441234
Kek'd

>>717441325
>>717441673
>>717445834
>Me? I'm a REAL rpg fan because I enjoy eating shit

>>717427479 (OP)
SaGa fans are the pseudointelectualsbof JRPGs. They think they're much more smarter for like this badly written story with convoluted gameplay. Thank god every SaGa is a failure.

Out of all the JRPGs I've played, clutch victories always feel the most satisfying in SaGa titles

>>717445627
They've added a lot of new scenarios to both Gustave's and Wil's sides, it's good stuff overall and there's many needed additions that help making certain parts of the story and characterization flow much better.
If I had to complain about something that isn't the new "secret" NG+ scenario is that I wanted a bit more new stuff with Johan, but I'm personally satisifed with what they did, the QoL improvements to the gameplay are also amazing, not only do the battles run at an acceptable framerate now, duels are no longer a slog due to the new turn repeat and combo library function, there's also a couple of good rebalances to characters.

>>717445895
since kawazu retired upon finishing emerald beyond and had nothing to do with the niggering of the seven, i forsee the series jumping the shark to appeal to retarded mongoloids like you who don't like rpgs
which is fine, that's business, the series had a phenomenal run anyways, it was bound to end up flanderized sooner or later, especially with kawazu out of the picture
r.i.p. saga 1989-2024

>>717436665
I didn't like RS3 for the same reasons, just a lot of aimless wandering trying to figure out how to trigger the next event. I played RS2 first and liked it a lot better, there always seemed to be somewhere I could go or something I could do. Scarlet Grace is even better in that regard, loved it.

Every SaGa fan I know is a insufferable autist.

>>717427479 (OP)
Nobody can be bothered to translate the second snes game, that's how much fans love it.

>>717446331
It's been translated for 8 years

Mibgestalt my beloved
fuck, Fronter 2 had good fucking tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_HiktqwoCc&list=RDW_HiktqwoCc&start_radio=1

>>717427479 (OP)
It's funny how the Final Fantasy using Kawazu mechanics is largely considered the worst one (FF2). Truly the old hack is the most overrated and imbecile hack I ever seen.

>>717443732
romancing saga 1 is still pretty good and I would even recommend it as a cursory introduction to the series (as long as you are okay with not being able to beat saruin)

>>717446651
>largely considered the worst one (FF2)
only by people who have never played FF2

>>717446189
Is there a ng+ or what are you referring to? Maybe I was too harsh to brush it away. Gave you played the star ocean remaster?

>>717446651
I rather enjoyed FF2 when I played it on GBA, the little bonus epilogue segment was cool. Experimental mechanics are fun to mess around with, some people just don't get it

>>717446331
Holy retard alert

>>717446761
I played FF2 and the growth system is an abomination.

>>717446470
Not the SNES game, and you say 8 years ago so even if you were right no one bothered for 20 years and fans didn't even do it. So "beloved" by fans.

>>717446664
It's very good, it's very dated, too. I like Rs2 better than rs2r. Hopefully the remake of 3 won't be as cartoony.

>>717446331
Just play it in japanese. You do know japanese right?

>>717446587
>tfw all the new Hamauzu kino in the remaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqWcjMpN-Us
>>717446816
Yeah, there's a new NG+ function like all the other remasters, and a couple of new scenarios that are tied to it.
I haven't played SO2R though.

>>717440189
>>717436665
once you get a feeling how the progression in those two games work you can have a blast. Some of their sidequests are outstanding to this day

>>717446651
FFII > FFI > FFIII
Does it have flaws? A lot of games have flaws, but it is fairly easy going in regards of progression, even without trying to 'game' it.

>>717446973
SD3 was tl'd a gorillion years ago. Now that game has real fans.

>>717446998
the love for this game is evident when you listen to the fuckin bangers they made for it. love them crazy bastards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LcJIPzoWIE&list=RD7LcJIPzoWIE&start_radio=1

>>717440189
SaGa demands the player to pay attention to the little clues it gives and also do their own foot work in wanting to explore the world. Often times you should feel hopelessly lost. On the other side there are various levels of hand holding. You'd have to literally be brain dead to not know how to progress in Emerald Beyond. Scarlet Grace is fairly easy to progress in since quests are done within the maps you acquire them in. Since there's almost no dungeons you eventually will find yourself at the end point of the game. The Gameboy games have standard story progression of the time. You are told where to go and it's linear. Romancing SaGa 2 eases the player in with limiting where they go at first and slowly opening the world. SaGa Frontier 2 you just have story points on the map, the only trouble you might have is typical 5th gen map readability in not knowing if an object was a door or intractable. Romancing SaGa 1, 3, and SaGa Frontier expects much more out of you.

>>717427479 (OP)
So what if Final Fantasy has not been good since 10? FF17 will be a retvrn to form, you'll see. I'm not crazy, you are.

>>717435653
OP's clearly praising it though

>>717433061
Kek

>>717433061
and i will buy it and play it day 1