what made fighting games go from mainstream genre enjoyed by normalfags to being a near dead genre enjoyed by autists?

>>717507285 (OP)
Bamco kiling FighterZ

>>717507285 (OP)
15 years?

Fighting games made a resurgence with SF4 because of online netplay. Howeve, the people playing them are mostly kids who grew up on SFII from the 90s! They weren't bringing in new people. Now we're 15 years later, and the genre has no youth to replace the old men at the top who age out of games.

>>717507285 (OP)
a couple of trannies, journos and zoomers forced the developers into making them more accessible. And to be fair all 500 Guilty Gear Soive players ARE trannies.

>>717507285 (OP)
Mainstream fighting games were only a thing for like a couple years. It was a small genre before and it's a small genre again

>>717507395
[headcannon]

Most people that started with SFIV never played SF2. Just make a good game, remove magic dialings, shortcuts, macros and make the ceiling extra high.

>>717507578
[headcanon]

Fighting games sell tons of copies. Specially smash and mk

>>717507405
they were dead far before strive.

>>717507285 (OP)
people figured out how the games work instead of just mindlessly mashing

>>717507285 (OP)
you guys have been saying that fighting games are dead since 2004

>>717507658
>zoomers are subhumans that unironically think like this
Grim

>>717507285 (OP)
>fightin games then: I’m goin’ over to johnny’s house! He has the new mortal kombat we’ve wanted to tey! Scorpion is cool!
>fightin games now: scorpion isn’t meta, he gets instagibbed by subzero from across the map by an autist with 3000 hours of practice because the matchmaking thought that was an even matchup
You don’t have to like it, but that is the answer.

>>717507749
I bet you think throws and "spamming" are unfair

>>717507285 (OP)
>what made fighting games go from mainstream genre
The only mainstream fighting games have been Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat and Tekken. Everything else either got a brief time in the spotlight (DOA2 and VF) before vanishing forever or their popularity has been way overblown by the history books.
Outside of games like SFII and MK2, fighting games were always niche as fuck which only got worse when arcades died and you had that period in the 2000's where online gaming was still getting it's legs under it's feet and every fighting game franchise was trying to figure out how to adapt to home consoles (usually by attempting to remake their franchises into shitty 3D versions). Tekken was basically carrying a dead genre on it's back during that timeframe until SFIV came out later on in the decade and gave everything a jumpstart.

Genre is doing a lot better now than it was then playercount-wise, the problem is that the big games nowadays fucking suck major balls and devs are now chasing the mythical "modern audience" that doesn't like fighting games to begin with.

>>717507285 (OP)
some will blame transgenders or dei

the real reason was because of mma, it made people lose interest in fantastical martial arts in the form of hong kong movies and videogames. they want "practical" martial arts like kickboxing/muay thai + juijitsu/judo/wrestling/bjj repeated ad infinitum, can't have fun shit like bajiquan, karate, or caporiera anymore

>>717507808
that's not even based in reality. people still play characters they unironically enjoy

>>717507808
its funny because scorpion was just human smoke but worse in mk trilogy on ps1

>>717507867
>the mythical "modern audience"
that's /v/

>>717507903
people prefer winning than losing, thats why they play gacha more

>>717507285 (OP)
SF6 sold 5 million copies

>>717507971
SEA niggers don't count as humans

>>717507647
>smash and mk sell a ton
fighting game popularity are measured by player counts, not sales, since tons of posers buy them and play them for 15 minutes.

>>717507903
And they get smoked by comp autists in casual matchmaking play, and quit the game sooner than they would otherwise. As was my point. Online matchmaking killed fighting games.
>>717507954
Too autistic to get I clearly just made up an example from the first 2 characters I thought of

>>717507285 (OP)
Bamco killed FighterZ because they didn't want to pay ArcSys anymore
Capcom made three trash games in a row with SFV, MvCI, and SF6 - they were trash because Capcom wanted to save money and hold greater control so they built in house instead of using DIMPS and 8ing
Strive was niche from the start and dropped off fast

There simply hasn't been a fighter as universally appealing as SF4 in the last decade, and when FighterZ died the genre went tits up entirely.

>>717508487
>There simply hasn't been a fighter as universally appealing as SF4 in the last decade
SF6

>>717507285 (OP)
The death of arcades in the 90s
Fighting games always had shit solo content so unless you lived in a city with one of the few surviving arcades, had a sibling who also wanted to play them or lived in a place where friends could easily come over to play local versus fighting games had nothing for you and they became exclusively for autists and that handful of normalfags in the above categories
It wasn't until rollback netcode started spreading that all normalfags finally had the ability to properly play fighting games again so now they're back in the mainstream

>>717507834
the games having low skill ceiling, macros and shortcuts is unfair.

>>717508558
SF6 is ugly trash. I spent more than a thousand hours on SF4 and a couple hundred on SFV before dropping it because they kept patching out anything fun
I played the online beta of SF6 for maybe 12 hours before deleting it and SF6 is the first Street Fighter ever that I haven't bought.

It's ugly as sin, the music is shitty ancient BBoy crap no one ever liked, the roster sucks, drive rush ruins the game, the story mode is terrible, I have nothing nice to say about that pile of crap.

>>717508681
this

>>717507285 (OP)
Popularity bell curve
>First fighting games were in arcades. Prototypes, simple games.
>The Street Fighter 2Splosion occurred and everyone wanted that money. Birthed Mortal Kombat, other competitors
>Fight in the arcade! Fight at home on consoles! Fight with fighting game action figures!
>Then the popularity waned and we're here back at an age with 25 times the information and communication, but niche autists. Getting in jew is nigh impossible.
That's it. We're at the end of the bell curve, and while devs try to pander to Tiktok zoomoids, they never stick with it. Dead genre.
>Thank God for fightcade2

>>717508043
>fighting game popularity are measured by player counts,
According to who retard?

>>717508043
tell that to the people who fund your game

>>717508914
How is the genre dead?

>>717508681
Absolute nonsense from someone that wasn't alive.
Everyone in the 90's had SF2 and played it, no one cared about being good.
In the 2000's the Alpha series was enormous on handhelds, no one gave a shit about being good or online play.
SF4 was the most popular and culturally relevant fighter ever.

Things have only gotten worse since rollback as these games appeal to smaller and smaller niches and bleed old fans.

>>717507285 (OP)
too many nogs in the community makes anything smell like shit

Unironical answer is jive launch

reminder that smash is not a fighting game

>>717509080
>30,000 SEA's can't be wrong!
lmao
>>717508914
>>717508681
If you're under 20 stop trying to pretend you know what happened before you were born

>>717509158
you are more retarded than actual niggers kek

>>717507285 (OP)
better games for casual players exist now

>>717509194
>30,000 SEA's can't be wrong!
>lmao
What the fuck are you even trying to say, retard?
There are at least 30k people playing Street Fighter right now. 30k players is very far from 0 players.

>>717507285 (OP)
When fighting games were kept solely to arcades, then moved to home consoles for the first time, where people would only buy 1 game for a household, they were able to keep at least 2 kids entertained.

With the proliferation of dedicated single player games, as well as newer easier games to simply pick up and play, fighting games fazed out of normalcy. Even with newer fighters attempting simplicity, the only fighters that are popular enough rely on heavy brand recognition and heavy advertising. And they all pale compared to a single new shooter because people don't want to learn a different type of game.

You give a man a shooter, he can ascribe all of that knowledge to practically every other shooter ever made. You teach a man a fighting game, even if they can carry over muscle memory, due to it's high technical requirement to function, even learning a new game can be a hassle.

>>717508994
useful idiots are still useful

online queue sucks. there is something lost by going from match to match with faceless opponents.

>>717509080
>One game is the entire genre
Fucking amazing.

>>717509360
You know you could have just googled what SEA stood for instead of posting "huh? what? duh?"

>>717509430
Street Fighter is THE fighting game

anyone up for aacc?

>>717509083
>games with rollback get 10x the players as any installment without
>"these games appeal to smaller and smaller niches"
Actually delusional, probably upset that he's getting washed by the normalfags "invading" his genre

>>717508915
anyone who's not an investor and doesn't drop games after a week or two

>>717509469
what do south east asians (who are wrong, apparently) have to do with fighting games being "dead"?

>>717508487
>>717508880
Yep.

>>717509594
>What is 2 plus 2?
Honey if I do it for you then you won't learn reading comprehension.
Try really hard, I know you can do it. Use context clues.

>>717509527
>Games with rollback get 10x the users
You're utterly delusional

>>717507285 (OP)
during arcade days fighting games were a social thing people did. with online normies lost interest and only the sweaties play it for more than a month after release

>>717509679
lmao you can't even answer my question without looking retarded

>>717509537
So people that don't matter dictate what game is alive ? Can't wait for MK slop movie violence kino to keep selling millions while you keep playing pretend with dogshit modern games

>>717509208
keeeeek so true sister i love obamacare

>>717507285 (OP)
local multiplayer is dead

Anyone that says a single thing about arcades is a retarded zoomer that has never been in one.
Fighters were only big in arcades in really poor areas, in most places you'd have maybe three people that gave a shit about a fighter beyond button mashing once and moving on to other games. Nogs played them nonstop because if you were good one quarter would keep you playing a long time.

99.9% of SF2's popularity was from console release, and SF4 is/was the biggest street fighter ever on purely on consoles outside of Japan.

>>717507285 (OP)
the dead of arcades as a hangout place and no significant innovation on the genre in the past 40 years

When were fighting games ever played by normies? In the arcades? In the very early console generations? This shit was just grandfathered in, normies were never really into fighting games.
Also the hard pivot to hardcore competivie gaming and away from the thing normies did in these games (play story mode or an equivalent) didnt help.

>>717509083
>the Alpha series was enormous on handhelds
lol no it wasnt
The biggest Alpha release was Alpha 3 on the PS1 and that was only able to hit a million, which isn't shit compared to the 6 million SF2 did on the SNES.

>source?
In 2008 Capcom released one of their financial reports that had a list of all their games that had a million or more sales, there's only one Alpha game on there. Quit saying that people are bullshitting and then spewing it yourself.

>>717509083
SF2 is a bit before my time but i remember people and magazines talking about it as a global phenomena, it might be the biggest and most played fighting game around the globe.

>Street Fighter II became the best-selling game since the golden age of arcade video games. By 1994, it had been played by an estimated 25 million people in the United States alone. More than 200,000 arcade cabinets and 15 million software units of every version of Street Fighter II have been sold worldwide

And then SFIV revived the genre after the arcades died, it wasn't as big as SF2 but it was huge. New people, new faces, locals, majors and despite what zoomtard tubers say the game was incredibly fun.

Then SFV killed the genre and SF6 failed to bring more people in, causalizing them was not the way. Either make them full movie slop like mortal kombat or make a good and complex fighter , fuck the trannies and Peter Rosas

>the concept of zoning slowly being removed from all fighting games in order to pander to casuals
I hate them like you wouldn't believe

>>717510210
I play Happy Chaos btw

>>717507285 (OP)
This is my own personal theory but I think a lot of the appeal with normies was technological. Many of the best looking games were fighting games in the 90s and 00s, whether they be gorgeous sprite work in Capcom and SNK games, or genuinely revolutionary 3D games like Virtua Fighter or Tekken. Hell even DoA jiggle physics looked like magic in the late 90s and caught the eye (among other reasons).
What do they have now? No fighting game is pushing the boundaries of technology anymore. It’s too expensive to do so and diminishing returns has so thoroughly set in that any improvement wouldn’t be particularly noteworthy regardless. All that’s left at this point is the gameplay, and for a technical genre like fighters that only attracts a small group of people.

>>717510082
>normies were never really into fighting games.
You'd be surprised how many dudes and hoodrats were obsessed with fighting/puzzle games back when there was a machine in any given bodega/laundromat/pizzeria. Dudes just cracked out on Street Fighter, Puzzle Fighter, King of Fighters, Puzzle Bobble/Bust-a-Move, etc.

>>717510276
>What do they have now? No fighting game is pushing the boundaries of technology anymore.
Arcsys

>>717510206
>SF6 failed to bring more people in
It absolutely brought more people in and will likely sell as much as SF4 did when all is said and done.

>>717507285 (OP)
The number of normalfags ballooning out, revealing the true popularity once gaming became larger.

>>717510276
>revolutionary 3D games like Virtua Fighter
Nigga no one played virtua fighter, it's always been a niche title. People swear by it because tekken was too slow and VF was more aggressive.

no one was wasting quarters on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7OYlmdhOZY

When you had this at full volume right next to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvs61upTF1A

>>717510206
/v/ is retarded

>>717510359
Fair point but their tech is more to capture a very specific art style rather than raw fidelity.
Soul Calibur 2 for example was a technological marvel that had objectively better character models and animations than basically anything else that came out that year (or the next). Same can’t be said for Strive or DBFZ as good as they look.

I'm trying to learn to play on KB after my arcade stick started to malfunction again and I hate it.

>>717510397
>tfw most new players are sfiv and sfv players
>tfw betty is 30 years old and technically on the same gen as j.wong
>tfw i have no face

SF6 is a failure of a game.

>>717510093
>t. wasn't alive for the original release much less alpha 2 and 3 on psp
Quiet when the adults are talking, kiddo.

>>717507285 (OP)
Because the burden of getting better as a player is now entirely on YOU.
No longer are esoteric knowledge hidden from you by others in the know or just flat out unexplored. Datamining and the actual autists have laid bare everything within a given fighting game. The path to getting good is now accessible to anyone and the truth of the matter is, most people either ignore that entirely and just go in blind or can't deal with the burden of knowledge.
Being a scrub back was understandable, sometimes knowledge was withheld or simply not known so no one could truly fault you. Now if you're bad at a game then it's your fault because more often than not, you're neither practicing or looking up resources that people back then did not have.
Remember, you're not losing to some autist who has a 1000 hours, you're losing to a scrub who practiced more than you and isn't that actually sensible? A guy who put in the effort to learn and work with the resources available to ANYONE beat a person who didn't put in any effort at all.
No longer can people hide behind the "fish in a small pond" mindset anymore because the online age exposes fucking EVERYBODY.

>>717510497
>Virtua Fighter 2
>released in 1994
>Guilty Gear XX
>release in 2002
animetards not beating the allegations

>>717510206
I want you to look at those numbers again
200k cabinets
Fifteen MILLION console sales
The rest you've got right
>>717510397
It absolutely hasn't, the only thing SF6 has done right is release in more territories. It's trash.

>>717507285 (OP)
too many good games releasing, too many games in the backlog
fighting games require too much time investment, and it's never enough because you'll always be beaten by said autists that have been exclusively playing the game's serie forever, while you've played hundred of games

Why do people ask this same question for the last 25 years

>>717510648
SFV and SF6 are both games where pros are open about not enjoying the game and only playing because the companies seed pots.

>>717510656
Retard

>>717510813
sf6 humiliation ritual

>>717510648
>tfw most new players are sfiv and sfv players
You clearly aren’t familiar with the horde of Japanese zoomers that started playing after their favorite vtubers shilled the game to them

>>717507285 (OP)
>lack of single player content
>no unlockables only DLC
>death of couch gaming
>focus on multiplayer where you get destroyed in 1 combo if you don't already have 3k hours of FG experience under your belt
Picrel was one of my favorite games back then. I have zero interest in trying the latest Soul Calibur out because I know exactly how it's gonna go.

combo vhs stopped being a thing. the genre never recovered

>>717510764
>It absolutely hasn't, the only thing SF6 has done right is release in more territories. It's trash.
I don’t like the game either anon but it’s been undeniably successful and has brought a lot of people in, especially in Japan.

>>717510919
SC6 was pretty good actually but unfortunately it died

>>717510654
>alpha 2
>on psp
Alpha 2 was never rereleased for PSP, only Alpha 3 was. Why are you making shit up?

>>717509303
Ding ding ding ding ding. This. Even the most casual fighting game is a nuisance to play for those not vested. There's better things/more variety of things to play.

>>717510924
>My son is time to choose media
>you can choose skate VHS and become athlete
>funny movie starring steve martin and become a functional member of society
>or scuffed recording of combo videos from different games (most of them ain't even real combos) and become a worthless human being

>haha funny man go hadouken

>>717510082
>When were fighting games ever played by normies?
Mortal Kombat was absolutely fuck huge in my neighborhood growing up. Sega Genesis and SNES versions were in every house until PSX and Trilogy

>>717507285 (OP)
Fighting games are more popular both casually and competitively than they've ever been since SF2 on the SNES lmao
What is this "dead genre" cope I'm seeing, I hate modern fighting games with a passion you can't comprehend let me fucking tell you but they're doing better than ever. They have competition like roblox and fortnite for zoomies and yet they live.

>>717507285 (OP)
>why are the extremely time consuming "git gud" multiplayer game genres are dying?
uhhh I wonder why RTS are indeed dying for casual audiences.
Oh you meant fighting games? Same shit.

>>717510082
Tekken wasn't an arcade focused series so it became popular even in Europe.

>>717510656
I think you're missing the point, most people see fighting games as party games you play with your friends, they don't want to get that invested and they don't want to learn and play a single character.
The problem is that online play has been pushed more and more and in that competitive context you can't just jump in and have fun like in Marvel Rivals. You said it yourself you need to invest yourself and it doesn't help that losing can be very frustrating because there is no RNG, no factors outside of your control, it's 100% on you and if you're a scrub you're serving as a punching bag. Even if you suck at shooters you still get to play and will land a kill here and there.

>>717511551
no one stops you from playing like an Iron rank player

>>717511506
Relative to the size of the industry nowadays they are dying. The genre was fucking huge in the 90s, everyone who had a SNES had SF2, everyone who had a PS1 owned a copy of Tekken 3.

>>717510210
>Potemkin buffs
>Zoning nerfs
Casuals will surely be thrilled with getting their hopes and dreams dashed by a few big grabs!

>>717509495
I'd love to but I've been stuck with some dogshit wifi for a while

>>717511551
None of that matters to normies.
NONE of it.
They care about:
-character they know being in
-game not looking like ass
-game not costing a lot

That's it.
6's roster sucks and it's ugly and expensive

>>717511950
and yet SF6 is still the biggest FG right now

>>717510210
>Zoners and Grapplers are a dying breed
>When they are anything other than complete asscheeks the playerbase will throw a massive shitfit

Hold on to those guys as tight as you can, because they're gonna be gone soon.

>>717511997
hmm nyo

>>717507285 (OP)
fighting games were only popular because they were the only accessible pvp games, they were going to fall out no matter what with shooters and mmos getting mainstream

>>717511543
>Tekken 3 is still to date the only Tekken I've ever played
>Sold a quadrillion copies on PS1
>Franchise doesn't seem as fun since and people really seethe at T8
Feels like I dodged a bunch of bullets.

>>717512117
>anon denies reality
I bet you also think 9/11 and holocaust never happened

>>717511551
>Marvel Rivals
>Jump in and have fun
>Fake sweaty Spider-Cuck on the team barking about how we're all garbage cause he goes in alone and gets folded
>People unironically crying and sperging out
>Not even in ranked yet. It'd no doubt bt worse there.
This ain't fun for shit, but it WAS free so I'm not out much.

>>717512117
I hate trannyfighter 6, but how isn't it? it has the most players.

>>717512363
it got outsold by mk1

>>717511950
You forgot the important one.
>Ease of winning.
I've seen fighting games at parties get people pissed. Normalfag players WILL NOT tolerate losses in excess.
>Unrelated to fightan but multiplayer, this is why Fortnite has not matches. If it didn't, the 99 losers would drop the game. Multiply that by millions of matches.
Gotta account for the ionlyfeelgoodwheniwin factor.

>>717510656
This, sort of, but I would say more because other games lack the responsibility you have to take for your playing.
Why the fuck would someone waste weeks or months perfecting execution, learning nonsense like matchups, wakeup timings, float speeds, etc, and getting realistic with themselves about their ability when they can just jump into some multiplayer schlock, get a few kills, blame everything else and everyone else for any losses, and score wins? It makes zero sense for most people to do this.

>>717512486
"most players" is the operative phrase here. see:
>>717508043

>>717512363
Internationally
Because it actually released in every territory and SEA now buys games

>>717512541
You know there are always winners and losers in multiplayer games, right?

>>717512910
You'll have to clarify. What is SEA? South East Asia? And what does this have to do with Steam player counts? I'm humbly asking.

>>717512917
nta
It's a lot easier to lose in multiplayer games when you can blame dumbass teammates (even if you were playing like shit) or if you're playing a 100-person battle royal match where you can always come out of it saying
>Well, at least I didn't die first, so I'm better than that guy

When you lose in a fighting game it's because you got beat because the other person was better than you and that sting isn't something that most people can handle, especially if they get taken behind the shed and get cracked.

>>717507285 (OP)
what do you mean?
Isn't it more popular than ever?

>>717511997
>yet SF6 is still the biggest FG right now
GRIM
dead genre
dead thread

>>717513569
I don't think fighting game are more popular than they were in the 90s arcade boom era, but right now is easily a 2nd place position. Fighting games were in a way worse place in the 2000s and most of the 2010s.

>>717513417
you are an idiot
counter strike 2 is far more stressing than any fighting game, especially when your teammates want to kick you out

The autists made it almost no fun also constant updates that change the characters flow doesn't help

>>717507285 (OP)
>from mainstream genre enjoyed by normalfags to being a near dead genre enjoyed by autists
Literally every single arcade genre

>>717513816
>dead genre
How is it dead?

>>717513417
>if you're playing a 100-person battle royal match where you can always come out of it saying
>>Well, at least I didn't die first, so I'm better than that guy
You can do the same shit with fighting games.
>at least I took one round off him
>his health is low so I was very close to winning
>at least I did a sick combo
>at least I was able to hit him
>at least I learned something new

>>717515470
People who think like that are those who tend to stick with fighting games. The average thought process for people who try out the genre is more like
>FUCK I lost
>How was I supposed to know that was coming?
>I can't land any hits.
>I just keep eating hits and lose all the time.
>I hate this.
>I'm playing something else.

>>717515858
I swear my friend developed a complex going against me even though I’m just as bad and plain lucky. Maybe he’s just a defeatist cuck

>>717515858
That's how DSP and LTG think LMAO

>>717515858
woooooooow

>>717507285 (OP)
Home consoles. Fighting games used to be a social activity when they were confined to arcades.

>>717515858
This sounds just like one of my friends when I was trying to teach him how to play GG Strive.

>>717508914
I think the first wave that started with Street Fighter 2 ended with Capcom Fighting Jam (which was basically just proto-Mugen), and I really think it was just because they put way too much put in way too short a time.

>>717509208
>I-I’m not butthurt!

>>717517142
You sound mad

>>717507285 (OP)
people realized these games are just glorified guessing games

>>717517440
>Chess is a glorified guessing game

With how much people bitch about modern fighting games, you'd think there would be some grassroots effort to develop an indie game entirely catered towards those ppl. I guess the only title I can think of is Skulkgirls and we all know how that went lol. At least smash fans had the decency to make some decent clones with Rivals 1&2 being a strong contender of that example.Where's your rivals 2 with your fan service, and your complex inputs, and your no wallbreaks, and your free color schemes, and etc.

>>717517625
are you stupid or something?
chess is a complete information game
there are mixups in fighting games

With how much people bitch about modern fighting games, you'd think there would be some grassroots effort to develop an indie game entirely catered towards those ppl. I guess the only title I can think of is Skulkgirls and we all know how that went lol. At least smash fans had the decency to make some decent clones with Rivals 1&2 being a strong contender of that example.Where's your rivals 2 with your fan service, and your complex inputs, and your no wallbreaks, and your free color schemes, and your no cinematic pauses, and etc.

>>717507285 (OP)
The death of arcades and the existence of the internet and alternative multiplayer experiences. Fighting games were huge back in the day because there weren't many alternatives and everyone still hung out at arcades a lot.

>>717516665
>Maybe he’s just a defeatist cuck
I've noticed that there are a lot of anons on this board with a loser mentality when it comes to fighting games, so I could see that being the case. Not sure if it's a generational thing or what, but goddamn, I've seen so many posts where someone posts a webm of a combo and without fail one of the first replies is something like
>wow getting hit with a combo that long looks like unfun shit, no wonder nobody plays fighting games

Like the thought of even doing the combo themselves doesn't even cross their minds, they just go straight to thinking about getting hit by it.

>>717517968
>Like the thought of even doing the combo themselves doesn't even cross their minds
combos are boring
fuck guilty gear and fuck devil may cry

>>717518142
guilty gear has short combos

>>717517968
While there is absolutely a chance that a lot of anons are defeatist here, there's also an undeniable presence of people who actively hate fighting games and want to shitpost the threads to death with innocuous comments like that.

>>717518237
>Soive
>guilty gear

grim

There hasn't been a good fighting game in the last ten years

>>717507383
The worst part about Bamco souring ties with arcsy is that now arcys won't get to make any other fighter based on a shonen property because Bamco owns them all. It will just be arena fighter slop for all of them forever.

>>717519058
>5K c.S 2D 236K
>long combo

>>717519413
>xtard
>guilty gear
grim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwTsojLOmb4

>>717519143
CF and UNIST was within the past 10 years.

>>717519413
Anything longer than 4 seconds is too long

>>717519567
+R came out one year before Xrd

>>717519356
Bamco hates video games and would rather go bankrupt than make a good one.
Make your piece with shitty spike-chun titles.

>>717519664
why?

>>717519664
>>717519413
>>717519058
The problem with Strive isn't combos, it's that characters have one correct way to play and every fight in celestial is just a bunch of knowledge checks
Also the balance is terrible

>>717519356
Except for you know the fact that they just released HxH game. Sounds like you just want Big 3 fighting games. Bamco doesn't own everything from JUMP and other companies made games for the big battle series too.

>>717519854
>tranny casing
Obvious tranny is obvious

>>717519771
I don't want to be not doing anything

>>717519567
>video full of 10-15 hit combos that last maybe 5 seconds each
>long
Maybe my brain is all fucked up from other fighters, but that really doesn't seem long to me. Guilty Gear has always been on the shorter side of the combo game imo, only people I see spout that it has long combos are the people that still buy into the meme that GG is "the most hardcore fighting game".

t. GGfag

>>717519981
>Capital letters are trans now
Fascinating

>>717519917
Anon Nen Strike is one of the worst fighters ever
It's utterly broken kusoge

>trany casing

>>717510210
Play GBVSR. The two main zoners (Ferry, Metera) got to top tier.
Or COTW. That game has Billy and Kain.

I admit to not watching a lot of GBVSR during EVO but did Strive basically act as a lightningrod for all the trannies in anime fighters and have all of them move to play that instead?

>>717520167
burst nigga

>>717520745
There should be more bursts per round.

>combos are too long!
Play games with shorter combos (or none at all).
>damage is too high!
Play games with less crazy damage.
>motion inputs suck!
Play games with simple controls.
>shit balance!
Play SF1 (lol)
>but X is dead!
Because you and the other faggot(s) refuse to make a move.

>>717520807
is 4 not enough?

>>717520842
this

>>717520842
The mythical /v/ fighting game
>short combos
>low damage
>no motion inputs
>perfect balance
>1 million players on steamcharts
sounds kinda boring as shit.

>>717518576
>who actively hate fighting games
well yeah
virtual on is dead while crappy franchises like tekken or guilty gear are still alive

>>717520520
Which goes to show just because you have ArcSys and 8ing working on a project doesn't guarantee you'll have amazing products from them just because they have had a decent track record in the past.

>>717507285 (OP)
Im so fucking tired of games having to be fucking balanced
holy shit everything is so fucking god damn stale and boring now

>>717521485
Play New Impact or DNF Duel then.

>>717507285 (OP)
accesibility. It was only ever enjoyed by normies during the arcade era when you could play a game for a quarter with no need to buy a game or console. Somewhere between 2005-2009 consoles became the main way to play and a fighting game with a 30 minute arcade mode and basically no other content that cost $60 was a shit option for most people compared to other console games that would give you 30+ hours of singleplayer and multiplayer.
>>717507647
smash is not a fighting game, and NRS makes the only fighting games big with normies.

>>717509083
>alpha series was enormous on handhelds
your personal experience doesn't match up with sales stats . handheld versions sold less than half of what it sold on consoles.

>>717521541
you're a retard

>>717520842
I miss soul calibur 2 so bad but I'm not buying a switch for it

>>717521461
You get what you pay for

>>717521793
I thought you hated balanced games

>>717520842
They'll quite literally never run out of excuses.
I mean take a look at DNF, GBVSR, and MBTL.

DNF
>Good visuals
>Rollback
>Rather unknown IP to westerners unless they were old enough to fuck with korean online games
>Simple controls
>Died because lack of dev support and homogenized combos

MBTL
>Sprite-based
>Rollback
>Character designs aren't made for anyone not already fans of Tsukihime
>Autocombos built into combo structure
>Got dev support but numbers were dwindiling even with a year of free DLC characters
>Absolutely no one thinks its as fun as the previous entry
>Died because of unsavory universal mechanics and being boring to play

GBVSR
>Free to play option
>Good visuals
>Rollback
>Gacha IP
>Isn't gangbusters popular but doing far better than the other two
>Dev support, basically rereleased
>Arguments being made over the original being better

At the moment it seems that rollback is universal and there isn't as many defined points that newcomers "truly" want.

>>717507285 (OP)
The death of local multiplayer

>>717521274
/v/ wants a beat em' up with fighting game combos. They don't actually want a fighting game.

>>717509962
>arcade cab sales figures literally never eclipsed by console sales figures
>tons and tons of random wealthy celebs talk about having played street fighter in the arcade as a kid
Street fighter 2's arcade release was a global phenomena, the console versions just cashed in on the established fanbase.
you are either a retarded zoomer or an ignorant boomer, not sure which is worse.

I was gonna ask this in the VF thread, but that hit the bump limit.
Do any of you guys play any "dead" fighting games? There was a lot of arguments about player populations in there and I was wondering if it does effect what fightanfags play.

>>717522073
I guess I play AACC and Arcana Heart? I practice some combos in the latter but don't get to play it often.

>>717521813
Fair enough.

>>717508880
>SF4 revisionism in full swing
It never fucking ends Jesus Christ
Calling SF6 ugly when that game exists is funny as hell though I’ll give you that

>>717522358
SFIV looks fine. Rufus my beloved, i miss u

>>717521461
Arcsys didn't work on nen impact that was all 8ing the same way dnf duel was with arcsys just doing publishing and advertising.

>>717522073
Love me some Twinkle Star Sprites.

>>717522073
I would argue that sub 30 playerbase is within the dead fighter range. Anything above that you'll at least find 1 open lobby or some in ranked at peak hours.

To answer your question, a couple years back I would play some Koihime for fun.

>>717522073
i used to play xrd
+r is way more active

fighting games in general are bad products compared to the rest of the industry. The pricing+dlc combo is like the least bang for the buck thing ever. This is before you even get to any gameplay complaints

>>717522358
SF4 was animated by actual artists
SF6 is mocap slop handled by indians
you're blind and dumb as fuck if you don't see that, you retarded consumer

>>717521418
>my franchise didn't get to succeed so the entire genre and it's threads deserves to be disrupted, disregarded and die
Literal crab

>>717523141
>>my franchise didn't get to succeed so the entire genre and it's threads deserves to be disrupted, disregarded and die
yes

If there's any talent left at arcsys that can make a competent blazblue sequel, fighting games could be saved. Like just build on top of the current system instead of dumbing it down and make the graphics real good.

>>717507285 (OP)
Street Figther 6 with modern or classic controls anons?

>>717507285 (OP)
Modern video games do all they can to take the onus of winning/losing off of the individual. In fighting games there is no way to sugarcoat it when you lose and people's egos have become fragile compared to the past where you were still having fun even if you are losing.

fighting games are for remedial yolo bums

>>717523349
Classic is more fun, there's no satisfaction in landing Modern auto-combos and if you want to do anything but those combos it's actually harder than just learning them in Classic

>>717522073
A dead fighting game to /v/ is basically anything that isn't SF6 or T8 lol
But to answer your question, I can't speak for everybody; but from what I've seen there are quite a few people that put population first when it comes to whichever fighting game they play. But in my personal case, no, I couldn't give less of a fuck what fighting game is the most popular because I already grew up playing shit that was outside of the mainstream. I just picked up whatever I thought looked cool or fun and it turns out my sense of what's fun doesn't line up with the majority of people. Not the first genre that's happened with me and it's not going to be the last.
Now there is a limit to how dead a game can be while still playable of course, so there is some merit to the populationfags, although they usually tend to overblow what population a game needs to be active. I can't exactly go and have some online fun with Million Arthur right now because that's a game that is actually dead as dirt, but Blazblue CF is like 10 years old now and I can still find matches there.

>play any "dead" fighting games?
CotW is my primary focus right now, but I still also play KI and GGXX+R. Might give Granblue a shot soon since it's free and /v/ has been talking about it a bunch, but I'm pretty sure the gameplay isn't going to be my thing.

>>717523235
I don't know if you realized this but arcsys as a whole specifically learned from Mori to keep making shit simpler and for casuals as seen GG getting stylish mode for the 1st and only time when he was top dog along with it's retard proof newcomers and by bbtag being all his idea. Even if he was still at arcsys he would make a blazblue strive of his own volition the same way he made that gacha of his volition.

>>717523462
>you were still having fun even if you are losing.
you lose in most multiplayer games and people keep playing

>>717523586
SF6 and T8 are fucking dead because tranny wants to play game

To accomodate to tranny and dad gamer we have to make the games fucking stupid but still make them believe that they are "owning the opponent"

Tyrone doesn't even know what day it is and still plays arcana hearth with his tulpa.

if you play fighting games you are the problem.

autistic thread

>>717523586
>Million Arthur
Haven't thought about that game in a while. Mostly remember the roster being weird as hell.

>>717523915
>SF6 and T8 are fucking dead
They literally aren't
>because tranny wants to play game
What are you fucking talking about schizo? Sf6 is as popular as it is because of modern mode making the game easier for normalfags to learn and Tekken is the way it is to appeal to casual normalfags who want to keep mashing and getting rewarded by never having to block. Also schizophrenic Black people are the ones playing Tekken and sf6 with the only ones playing arcana heart being the whitest people and trannies just like with the rest of the discord anime fighters.

>>717523915
I think this is my sign to get off of /v/, what fucking happened to this board?

>>717524435
goodbye tranny

>>717523586
/v/ thinks SF6 and T8 are dead games

>>717524671
totally alive bro
better than ever

Just don't reply to the retard he's using steamcharts and an entirely different genre

>>717522857
>The pricing+dlc combo is like the least bang for the buck thing ever.
I've never really got this complaint
if you actually like a fighting game you can play it for easily 1000+ hours, there's very few genres with better bang for buck in terms of play time to price.
And if you don't really like it that much then you don't buy the DLC and you spent 40 or 50$ on something you still played for a hundred or two hours before going back to a game you do like, which is still above average. No one makes complaints like this about 70$ 50-100 hour games.

>>717524734
>>717524671
Gonna reply bitch? how come they are so alive and yet they are getting out numbered by the fucking sims 4?

Not so hot now right you fucking retarded nigger? Go ahead report htis, you lil bitch, you already killed fighting games by playing garbage fighter 6

>>717523586
If you like more complicated fighters GBVS isn't gonna do it for you but you might still enjoy the anime spectacle of it. There's some weird shit in that game

>>717507285 (OP)
Idk, maybe 30 years?
>>717507395
I see I'm not the only one with that thought

>>717525181
I don't play SF6 lol what

Why is this anon having a complete shizo meltdown?

>>717523702
Until bbtag every new blazblue was more or less an improvement over the previous one. Characters have also remained based. nu Daisuke would've retconned Carl into a trans icon by now.

What should i play if i dont want motion inputs and decent single player content? Or should i just play beat em ups?

>>717507285 (OP)
I thought fighting games weren't mainstream, OP. Isn't that what faggots like you say in every thread?

>>717525601
Carl isn't a crossdressing faggot who has acted, looked, and been voiced by a girl like the two retards only stupid fags and trannies gave a fuck about in GG so I dunno why you think he would.

>>717524734
The Sim 4 has way too many setplay shenanigans and neutral skips tbqh. Sims 3 had much less degenerate rushdown and was more neutral focused.

>>717525684
sf6. why dont you want motion inputs?

>>717525574
sf6 is dead
it killed fighting games get over it

>but let them plaaaaaaaaaaaaa

death to every single boomer and retarded nigger that plays it, worthless faggots killing an entire genre

You can safely ignore any post that has a Steam player numbers image attached to it

>>717525826
Dont care enough to learn

which fighting game character has heavy ass

>>717525920
understandable. u can play sf6 on modern and do the world tour mode.

>>717525851
GAMES DONT DIE IF YOU IGNORE REALITY

very cool kill yourself

>>717523702
This. Newfags love to suck off BB and Mori, but are completely ignorant to the fact that BB used to be the de facto baby game with it's geriatric input buffer and decade long hitstun. Mori most certainly would've Strive'd Blazblue if he didn't ruin himself with that shitty gacha.

>>717525920
>>717525684
kill yourself falseflagging fagot

>>717523349
I'd play modern but it actively gimps the player by reducing the character's movelist.

>>717525931
SF(any) and guilty gear strive girls. Mai and some of the 3d snk game girls too but samsho is the only 3d snk game worth a damn despite how they fucked up with it so tremendously.

>>717526239
falseflagging retard acting like a woman

>>717526024
Thanks, ill give it a look

>>717526129
>Mori most certainly would've Strive'd Blazblue if he didn't ruin himself with that shitty gach
bro he was on strive design team and it was his idea to strive-fy gg

>>717523729
But they're team games. I played some MOBAs and battle royales, it's amazing how people can convince themselves that they're losing because of the team while being the worst player.

its up

>>717526239
>>717525920
>>717525684
>Hey man, here's an easy mode for you to use. It's not as good, but it'll help you get your feet wet and incentivize you to want to learn how to properly play later.
>NAH I WANT ALL THE BENEFITS WITH NONE OF THE EFFORT, SPOONFEED ME OR YOUR GAME IS GARBAGE AND FIGHTING GAMES SUCK YOU FAGGOT CHUDS
You deserve to have your head bashed in, sincerely.

>>717520842
start every thread with this now

>>717507383
>The pre-release threads
>Cellfag and Zamasufag shitflinging
>Roster and moveset speculation
Take me back

>>717507285 (OP)
other games, particularly multiplayer games, got way better and bigger. Fighting games just aren't as fun for most people compared to the other shit they could be playing. The genre itself is also stagnant as fuck, maybe even regressive in many ways

>>717524435
People who actually play and care about videogames have been outnumbered by social media addicts for whom arguments are the primary hobby and the games are just a vague topic suggestion to get those started

>>717526239
Listen man you're not getting an easy mode in a multiplayer game without some disadvantages you gotta accept that.

>>717526647
Sorry your favorite genre is dying

>>717527173
According to /v/tards like you, fighting games have been dying for over 10 years now.
But they were also mainstream.
But they're also dead.
But they're also dying.
So which is it, retard-kun?

>>717526891
/co/fags will liderally big mouth at Tokon for several months and not buy it on launch anyway

>>717527352
It did die after sf3, revived by sf4, the genre lives and dies by sf, everything else doesnt matter, its why all other fighting games die so fast, only exception was dbfz but for name alone

>>717527352
Street Fighter 6 is a dead game
the only people who play it are either paid or severely retarded
why would anyone with working braincells load that game up unironically

>>717526442
meh
marvel rivals is a miserable experience even if you blame everyone else and league of legends is even worse than marvel rivals
if you want to improve in fighting games you have to lose a lot, if you want to reach the highest rank in marvel rivals just practice with an aim trainer like kovaacs
chess is an individual game and is very popular

>>717507285 (OP)
>what made fighting games go from mainstream genre enjoyed by normalfags to being a near dead genre enjoyed by autists?
Easy answer. They suck
They were ok to TRY, not continue playing

>>717527610
>e-erm it did die ackshually, even though people still made fighters after that, it was totally dead bro!!
Can't believe some people are legally allowed to vote.
>>717527707
You're a contrarian lil bro, it's okay.

>>717511506
They're retards that dont know vidya. Mk1, tekken 8, and sf6 all sold millions of copies. Sf6 still hits the top 100 played games on steam pretty regularly with probably close to 60k players online at a time. Tekken 8 is probably around 20k players online on average.

>>717526385
Really? I thought he'd have been too busy with BBTag, DBFZ and the shitty gacha

>>717507285 (OP)
The games are way more complicated now they are made for ppl with legacy skills, not new players. Also a lot of the single player content has been axed in favour of online features

>>717528052
How can you lie so blatanly when we have steam charts

>>717526647
>incentivize you to want to learn how to properly play later.
It doesn't do that.
Plus between custom controllers with as many shortcuts as you want and leverless, what difference does motion input and auto combos make?

>>717526698
That was 8 years ago anon

>>717528096
he was just guy overseeing projects / idea guy so yes

>>717528439
>The games are way more complicated now
What the FUCK are you talking about?
What was the last fighting game you even played?

>>717507285 (OP)
Aside from blacks whining about a hot Madagascar woman not being a gross ass sheboon as a new character in Tekken 8 I would say it's a pretty good game.

>>717528634
...actually doing damage, learning the game and winning?

>>717529058
>What was the last fighting game you even played?
Vf5 revo.
Look at Sf2 and then look at Sf6. Sf2 you had your buttons and specials, Sf6 is loaded with universal mechanics. Learning a fighting game now is much more complicated and is tuned for legacy skills.

>>717529581
A literal 14 year old beat Daigo in a tournament.
Daigo has been playing fighting games for much longer than that guy has been alive.
The SF6 scene as a whole is full of zoomers who keep beating legacy players, the game is LITERALLY designed for that to happen.

>>717526385
I'm not part of Mori Cocksucker Anonymous so I don't feel compelled to defend him, but this is just wrong. Even if he wanted to he wouldn't have been in a position to make that decision. It was Daisuke's idea to rethink GG from the ground up and make it simpler and he left it to Katano to come up with the specifics of how that would be done.

WHEN I SAY BUM

>>717519356
Man, I was waiting patiently for a One Piece 2D fighter from ArcSys.

>>717530173
It already exists, retard.

>>717529759
Well reaction time does degrade with age. All your saying is young tourney fags are beating old tourney fags, fighting games aren’t made for the masses anymore simple as.

>>717530291
Street Fighter 6 is absolutely made for the masses, that part of its design philosophy is precisely why it fucking sucks.
It even has a full knockoff Shenmue mode so that people who don't even want to interact with other players can have single player content.

>>717530429
It’s made for fgc fags and ppl that watch Max not casual players they moved on to fps games, you can’t honestly think sf2 is more complex mechanically than sf6

>>717530886
sf2 is less beginner friendly than sf6

>>717529261
So the only reason to use classic is because it has advantages over modern

>>717531348
If you want to simplify it that way, then yes, sure.

>>717507285 (OP)
those autists are the ones to blame

>>717531286
>sf2 is less beginner friendly than sf6.
Pffft no! All you had to learn was how to do specials and which buttons are good maybe some VERY basic combos. Sf2 was very pickup and play.

>>717529987
Yeah exactly, people throwing all the blame at Mori are just reaching because they didn’t like the shift Strive made. Daisuke has been itching to rework GG since Xrd was out and got vocal about casual accessibility being the future. Katano was straight up handed the reins to make it happen - Mori was overseeing like 3 projects at once back then, dude was barely even around. It's just easier for some to scream "Mori ruined my anime meta larp sim" than accept that Daisuke himself wanted this new direction.

>>717531893
Have you played ST on fightcade?

>>717532572
>have you played against people who have been playing the game for 30 years?! ITS HARD DUDE!

>>717523586
this game looks like absolutely dogshit bro. I’ll stick to SF6, thanks.

>>717532798
>>717531893
By this same retarded logic, you are perfectly able to just pick up SF6 and mash away, what the fuck is your point? In SF6 you don't even have to learn how to do the specials, the game can do that for you.

>>717532572
No! I am sure it’s pretty sweaty. But I was talking about sf2 being easier to pickup and play because of less Universal mechanics wall bounce, otg, cancelling, dr, combos etc. fighting games aren’t made for casuals they are made Justin Wrong and Fagbillion Dud.

>>717509080
He's not talking about numbers when he mentions "dead" in thie context...

>>717533236
>>717529581
Grim reminder that it literally, LITERALLY doesn't matter how retarded, watered down and casualized fighting games become, there will always be people who will still say shit like this.
Street Fighter was turned to shit in order to appeal to these people and it still isn't enough.

>>717532798
If it were an easy game, that experience wouldn't matter. Someone can spend 40 years playing tic-tac-toe and still only be as good as someone who's played 5 minutes.

>>717507285 (OP)
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean they're dead.
Like you fags have been telling me fighting games are dead for 20 years.

>>717507285 (OP)
The same thing that happens to every genre:

Compfags

>>717507285 (OP)
The rise of home consoles and the death of the arcade. When arcades died, fighting games lost their casual audience who could have fun just throwing a few quarters away every now and again. When home consoles took over, people began to expect more for the money. Therefore the only people left are those who've invested time into the genre which then splits into two camps - 'please play our games we're all nice and it's worth it' and 'you need to kill yourself NOW you fucking scrubby BITCH, fighting games are DEAD'.

>>717507285 (OP)
Fighting games has always been niche

>>717507383
>>717519356
>>717519735
The person in Bamco behind these decisions was and still is Harada. He’s not only a Tekken Director but his main role is still head of BNEI (Bandai Namco Entertainment Inc), the game division of Bamco itself. Need I remind you fags he also admitted that he was the reason why so many ex-namco people left, because he drove them off and reshuffled the rest in different departments with different roles.

>>717507285 (OP)
they were way ahead of the time in terms of gameplay depth, animations, character designs, sound tracks, communities and offline cultures, etc.
but they haven't evolved much outside of quality of life. which is appreciated but not enough, especially in an age where the strengths of the genre don't line up with what the average consumer desires. instant gratification and mindless gameplay loops.
their answer is to simplify further and further and further, but it'll never be enough and just alienates the core fanbase.

>>717533541
Why do 4tranners piss and shit themselves in rage at the slightest hint of challenge or competition?

>>717533660
trannies are losers so losing in a game makes extra mad lol.
anyway, heres my season 9 results so far. Im still a massive shitter but Its cool seeing the history charts the game provides and seeing my improvement.

>>717533384
That not what I am saying, I am saying fighting games have to many universal systems and that is a turn off to casual players.
Virtua Fighter is easy to play but complex if you want to learn, most fighting games now are made for the fgc community only.

which special move feels like saying nigga please to your opponent

>>717534094
the idea of a “casual” fighting game is a joke and will never be successful unless its something like smash with brand recognition.

>>717534094
It is exactly what you are saying.
These games have been designed from the ground up to be braindead easy, but apparently since they have mechanics beyond attacking and blocking it's already way too hard for casuals.

>>717534298
what does that even mean

>>717534312
Once again I am not saying a game needs to be easy I am saying it needs to not inundate the players with mechanics, it can have depth it can be hard as fuck but ppl have to be able to understand the game, you gotta get ppl in the door bro.

>>717534298
bandit bringer?

>>717533139
The skill floor is much higher in SF6 than it is in SF2
HOWEVER
The skill ceiling is MUCH MUCH MUCH LOWER than any other SF.

>>717534853
>ppl have to be able to understand the game
And how much should they be taught in order to make them "understand the game"?

>>717533623
>mindless gameplay loops.
fuck you
counter strike 2 is better than any fighting game

>>717534853
>you gotta get ppl in the door bro
someone post the vega clip

>>717535282
how so?

>>717533964
>are losers
people who play fighting games in a competitive way are not exactly winners in real life

>>717535058
>The skill floor is much higher in SF6 than it is in SF2
Lol. SF6 beginners just need to spam DI to win.

>>717535340
counter strike 2 is not a mindless game
the spray patterns alone make the average 4chan user cry like a bitch

>>717526618
> get banned for not wanting to fuck a mod because he is not gay
> get banned for calling Testament(guy with a scythe) a girl
these new GG "fans" are the gamers the feminists were talking about but its gay so I guess that makes it okay, was this Daisuke's true vision

>>717535676
You don't play fighting games, please shut the fuck up.
I am not going to comment on how complex Counter Strike is because I don't play it. I encourage you to do the same when it comes to things you don't play.

>>717536058
dont insult other games dumbass
go and play with your roman cancels little bitch

>>717536182
I'm not the guy who started that specific conversation.
I'm just pointing out that no one who actually plays fighting games would call them mindless.

>>717536253
>I'm not the guy who started that specific conversation.
then shut the fuck up dumbass

remember stuff like this will happen to you if you are clueless and decide to play super turbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9spdoKP9jA

>>717507285 (OP)
Sf5 shitting the bed but despite this, every other dev deciding to mindlessly copy it??? Even though nobody fucking liked that shit game

>>717507578
>a couple years
Retard, you clearly dont remember the entire fucking 90s. Also the late 2000s to mid 2010s

>>717507867
Everyone of you yapping zoomers teveals your age and your ignorance, soul calibur was a big deal in the early 2000s didnt, snk was pretty succesful in the 90s, blazblue was even relatively mainstream

And people played these games because they liked them not because oh its got good lobbies or netcode or its easy

And you fucking retards pretend were in some renaissance or fgs were always niche

>>717538185
>didnt
Not sure how this ended up in the middle of my ramble

>>717534298
Cody ex zonk
Urien's entire kit in SFV. Big shoutout to EX tackle
Katalina 236u
Any reversal super on hit

>>717522903
a dogshit animator is still a dogshit animator, and doesnt make him better than a dogshit mocap suit user.
this kind of mentality is why Koreans make millions selling dogshit games with pretty girls and why Gachashit has taken a hold of the gaming market, you only care about the surface stuff and nothing else. SFIV was a good game in spite of it being ugly, but you wouldnt understand because you dont play it and dont care about it you just like parroting what you see off retards posting webms from youtube videos comparing animations.
>>717508487
comercially SF6 is still a success, OP's question has to do about the size of their playerbase and the kind of people they attract, and SF6 managed to stabilize so that they can keep autists and normalfags or people who never played FGs aboard. Strive is also very simple but its core issue is the fact ArcSys can never decide when it wants to allow the meta and the balancing to stand still and they flip everything upside down every months.

>>717536376
No.
If you say something retarded I will point out that you are fucking stupid. Simple as.

>>717538671
No, Strive's core issue is that, for almost all of its lifespan, about as often as not random online play just doesn't work and that's a huge turnoff
>go into tower
>nobody ready to play, everyone's either in a match (and you cant spectate or see how close to done they are) or AFK
>get on a cabinet and wait, no one comes over to you
>someone else gets on a cabinet, get a connection error trying to join them
>move to a different cabinet, they stand there not joining obviously getting the same error message
>try to queue from training mode, get exclusively matched with one other guy in the queue who either has an awful connection or is AFK
>for like half the first year South Americans couldn't play because the server that handled their logins went down and they had to VPN to USA just to launch the game
>also for like a year or more pros/streamers basically couldn't play because of an exploit that let one guy crash their game
>finally get past all these issues, match is over in 30 seconds and you have to do it all again
For all anyone whines about Strive being dumbed down or woke I guarantee ten times as many people stopped playing just because they got sick of dealing with the tower

>>717538825
shut the fuck up dumbass
go and play with your comeback mechanics clown

>>717539804
OK retard
Have fun babbling about things you don't understand you stupid cunt.

>>717539941
your genre is a joke
there are no comeback mechanics or rounds in quake duels
your dying genre was designed for bitches like you

>>717539437
>For all anyone whines about Strive being dumbed down or woke I guarantee ten times as many people stopped playing just because they got sick of dealing with the tower
literally me 2 years ago
waiting for the Lucy patch to finally get back into the game

>>717538671
SFIV was "ugly" but it unarguably looks like a Street Fighter game.
SF6 is just ugly as shit; characters look weird and uncanny as fuck, don't look like they are supposed to AND the game itself plays like shit too.
You sound like exactly the kind of people they targeted with this piece of shit: idiots who look at realistic textures and high poly count and immediately accept that as """good graphics"""

>>717528451
>nobody plays fighting games on consoles
Imagine being this utterly retarded

>>717535423
players between 1800-2200 mmr make up less than 4% of the player base and even smaller percentage than that play the game competitively. do you not play chess with your grandpa because you see it as futile in playing if youre not pro level?
get a grip faggot, its just a video game. a very fun one.

>>717545395
what?

>>717545395
>chess
chess popular is very popular
fighting games are not popular at all

>>717535423
Why not?

which characters lets me say "la di da di da" after teching a throw and then do my TOD combo

>>717507285 (OP)
It was made for normies with SF2 arcade cabs

It became autist around that same time but turbonerds were actually shunned

Normies moved on and the genre was only filled by these same turbonerds

>>717546797
have you seen the evo participants?

>>717546968
Some of them

>>717534298
Literally any command grab or reversal DP.

>>717547157
exactly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1-8gqhRWQA

>>717507285 (OP)
death of local play as the primary mode outside of tournament contexts. it was fun button mashing with friends on the couch, it's not fun getting curbstomped by a stranger online

>>717547726
then just host a lobby with your friends

>>717547335
What point do you think you are making here?

>go into casual on KOF XV since ranked queue was slow
>2 of my characters get raped
>opponent teabags
oh wow you're so good bming someone with less than 10 hours in the game
fuck this

>>717549019
Yeah I dunno why some people act like faggots on more niche games drive people away when they do shit like that.

Why did Melty Blood die?

>>717549109
it didnt die it was MURDERED

>>717548537
that guy called people who dont like fighting games losers
people who participate in tournaments like the capcom cup spend several hour playing everyday
just look how daigo umehara ended up
a drunk idiot who keeps shilling crapcom games on twitch
people who are obsessed with fighting games have no right to judge anybody

>>717549019
kekkaro raped gringo go back to slime sharter 6

>>717549019
Why is the average/v/ anon so fragile now? Teabagging was a regular online occurance before, but now if you do it you either get reported or the other player starts crying and quits the game forever.

>>717549418
This guy >>717533964 is a retarded faggot, yes, just like everyone who can't shut the fuck up about le tranny.
That doesn't mean the guy who called competitive fighting game players "losers" is right. Some of them get to literally make a living by playing games they like, they get to travel and have fun.

>>717549761
>Some of them get to literally make a living by playing games they like, they get to travel and have fun.
menard is a fat bastard fuck him

>>717549956
He IS becoming progressively more obnoxious, yes.

>>717507285 (OP)
Pretty much you either win or lose and there isn't really a inbetween like what the other anons say. Sure some of them out there will say you're supposed to learn why you couldn't do y when they did x but majority of people will not do that. Fact is, fighting games are 1v1 and loosing sucks compared to loosing in a team game.

>>717507285 (OP)
Zoomers and millennials are too fragile to play a game where they can't blame losing on their teammates.

>>717550319
>fighting games are 1v1
>>717550613
>Zoomers and millennials are too fragile to play a game where they can't blame losing on their teammates.
but chess is popular

>>717507285 (OP)
SF2 and CPS1 hardware in general came at a time when the layperson was mainly familiar with 8-bit, so games like Final Fight and SF2 blew them away, especially with them being ahead of the then-brand new next gen. Notice that's also how Arcsys rose to one of the big 3 with games that went out of their way not to appeal to legacy fans, with games that had excellent graphics. Tekken blowing up on PS1 is another example, forerunner in realtime textured 3D. There needs to be a draw outside the core of the game that isn't just the usuals showing up because it's their thing. Nintendo branched out into using tech in other ways to draw people, but the go-to is visuals. The games have to do something to rise above the alternatives and set themselves apart, but nowadays they're treated as a genre that's expected to do more with less. It's kind of backwards.

>>717550894
IS chess popular with zoomers?
Are the stories of them being brain fried idiots who only consume 10 second videos all day long just a meme?

>>717551070
>>717551070
>IS chess popular with zoomers?
yes
there are multiple children who have official chess titles

competitive gaming community. They tried to make everything competitive when, you know, some games can just be just for fun. They dictated their "core values" and essentially removed the fun out of fighting games. They wanted everything to have a high ceiling of complexity when not every game should be like that.

>>717549019
I just raped a complete beginner with 0 ranked matches in ranked and I feel bad now
that was not a good experience for that dude

>>717522045

clearly the solution is to just staple other games onto them half-assed
we have shenmue SF6 so the next logical step is animal crossing

imagine some gimmick bullshit avatar lobby but you can actually decorate it with shit you win from playing matches
or if a nigga has some shit you want you can play them in a set for it
you calling my painting a forgery? run the set bitch

>>717507285 (OP)
Slop genres like mobas got bigger

>>717509080
SF6, Strive, T8, etc. All doing well is proof that the genre is dead

My brain won't let me get into any fg that isn't Third Strike, I don't know why

>>717551681
have you tried CvS2? seems like a good way to segue from 3S into something different as a sort of baby step. probably getting a boost of activity from the collection update as we speak that's bound to last, like, a few days.

>>717551917
I have been interested in it, yeah. Not sure what groove / characters to play.

>>717551584
>Tekken 8
>doing well
I mean...
It's doing better than other fighters? I guess?

>>717552054
Not that guy but you would THINK that P-Groove is the ideal Groove for a Third Strike player to get into CvS 2 but I wouldn't be so sure... the timing for parries is way harder and the reward you get for doing them is lower than in Third Strike, which is probably how it should be in Third Strike as well but that's a different conversation

>>717507285 (OP)
>what made fighting games go from mainstream genre enjoyed by normalfags to being a near dead genre enjoyed by autists?
It's simple: the demographic changed. Normies can't handle losses and putting in work anymore.

>>717552054
it depends
P-groove kinda overtuned in EO which is the basis for ranked in the collection, has super cancels out of special ala SF3 that Millionaire Fighting didn't have. but the parry timing window is tighter than 3S. still might be the best fit.
but then there's K groove which is like P-groove for dummies, parries that refill health and are done with the usual block input just timed well, so you can get them without really trying sometimes.
both grooves have lvl 3 supers only but P-groove has a 1-stock standard bar while K groove has the samsho rage meter so it depletes over time once it's filled

who do you play in 3S?

>>717540738
why so mad

>>717522045
Yes, give me Little Fighters 3

Transition from local co-op to online. Sorry but it's a different experience. You practice and put in a couple months, you could be king of the arcade machine or at your friend's house. Typically a good back and forth if anyone else practiced like you did.

Now, online is a bunch of frame counters and guys who spent years training to beat you. The competition is too high now it's not fun. At least you had a chance at the arcade or friend's house. Online sucks.

>>717540738
quake is way more dead than FGs tho

>CFC2 is fucking dead, even when they're adding 4 characters to Alpha 3
What went wrong?

>>717553317
frames are just a unit of measurement

>>717553317
>muh heckin framerinos
Why do you fags always make the same meaningless complaints?

>>717535676
>spray patterns
The "pattern" of almost every CS gun is a "7." It climbs to the top right of an invisible ten-degree box, then jerks around left-right a bit in the corner. CS recoil is the most basic baby simple shit of all time, and virtually every other FPS has more complex and challenging to manage recoil mechanics.
Fighting games have their own 7.

>>717546779
good faggot, stay out.
had no issues finding people to play them with before the internet and sure as fuck dont have any issues now with the netcode being better than ever and match queues instantly. one less shitter like you aint going to be the last drop in the bucket.

>>717553397
The Wazzler

>>717521274
The mythical /v/ fighting game is
>Short combos
>Low damage
>Simple motion inputs (foward/back quarter circle, down down, and foward/back shoryuken inputs only)
>Simple defense
>Strong movement options
>Good zoning but with strong counterplay to that zoning
>No grapplers
>Consistent playerbase
>Mod friendly
It's Hisoutensoku. Hisoutensoku is /v/'s dream fighting game.

>>717553815
You forgot to mention neutral only

>>717521274
>>717553815
Oh, and I forgot the most important thing
>Piss easy to pirate
Obviously if you actually had to pay for it or put any amount of effort into getting it set up /v/ would hate it.

>>717553876
That too.

>>717510206
Frogposters should be banned on sight

Why /v/ is so full of remedial yolo mashing rogs that couldn't get a round off me in a real game

>>717554402
Such as?

>>717553815
>anime game
/v/ wouldn't like it

>>717553815
Soku is fucking dogshit bro you just hug ceiling and spam your bullets

>>717554860
>Roster is entirely (possibly underage) girls
The coomer half of /v/ would. The gay half can just pretend to play Cho Aniki Bakuretsu Ranto-hen instead.

>>717538185
>blazblue was even relatively mainstream
In what fucking universe

>>717553545
It's not meaningless. Fighting games went from characters duking it out and most shit knocking the opponent away, to every button and special being precisely designed to be slightly plus/safe on block, with other moves being ideal frametraps and bait the opponent to push buttons, to get a knockdown that lets you perform an automatically timed safejump or follow up with mixup oki and other such shit.

The average newbie in any online fighter just a few days after release might make it to the equivalent of Silver rank, and every other match is him getting destroyed in the corner by someone with basic looping okizeme. These are things that are completely obtuse to new and low skill players, and require a lot of study and time in Training Mode to wrap their heads around.
It's not even fucking combos, it's how fighting games have developed in regards to most of the "fight" being about nebulous block pressure.

>>717555070
In like 10 years ago when you were still in your dad's balls

>>717555072
Do you genuinely think the average person playing online knows frame data?

>>717555070
In the late 00s it was one of the more successful fighting games for a little while. Fell off after a few titles though and Guilty Gear coming back was the nail in the coffin.

>>717507395
>>717525415
One of the top performers at Evo this year in street fighter was a 17 year old kid.

>>717553436
>>717553545
The fact people are autistically breaking down fighting game mechanics and measuring losing its charm. I know what it is, there are other details that get shared.

It might be the Internet in general even without online gaming, if the game is big enough you have too many people maxing out every competitive edge.

Smash fags are just a glowing example of the shitty community that awaits if you want to be a fighting game fan. No one wants play games like that.

>>717555418
It happens in every game but you fags never seem to complain about the breakdown and analysis of CS for instance.

>>717555418
Who cares dude. You are not going to be the next Daigo so you have no reason to care about tech. Just play fighting games for fun and accept that you are not always going to win.

>>717553728
>CS recoil is the most basic baby simple shit of all time
you need to post your global elite rank

>>717555141
Being one of the "more successful" fighting games in the late 2000's is like placing 4th in a special olympics race.

>>717555978
Are you trying to be a pedantic faggot?
If you're going to be like this then no BlazBlue was never relatively mainstream you are right. Mortal Kombat is the only genuinely mainstream fighting game series of the last decades.

>>717555507
>>717555694
All there is is PVP in fighting games, that's the issue. At least other genres have co-op or real teams.

Fighting you inevitably run into the autists who combo you start to finish where you never get offense off, might even hit a few in a row in matchmaking.

Not fun for the average person. So that's why everyone left are the autists. They chased off everyone else who just wanted a chance.

>>717556610
CS is only PvP too you faggot.

>>717556729
not him but people like shooters

>>717558267
Cool and? I am tired of people on /v/ making the same shitty arguments which all apply to CS too.

>>717507285 (OP)
>near dead genre
You said totally dead genre wrong.

The seasons and ONE character every 3 months,
instead of bigger updates all at once along a group of new characters.

Pandering to non-fighting game players.
Instead of people being invited to become fighting game players,
devs that make the games easier are saying: just stay however you are, we'll make a way for you to play it.
Doesn't matter how easy we have to make the game.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg of problems.
Also, for some reason there's an autistic number of new fighting games announced or out.
But people cannot stretch between a minimum of 4 games?
Also the genre is so dry and creatively bankrupt that people call anime games, fighting games, now.

WTF?!

>>717558346
people dont like fighting games
thats all

>>717558389
I don't think thats true.
I think people don't like learning fighting games.
I think they enjoy them at a base level though.

>>717558389
I don't like you.

dead genre

too many blacks

>>717507285 (OP)
SF2 cabs were in chippies and all sort of random places, fucking everywhere. i doubt anyone normal even knows about 6 and wouldn't find the fruity designs appealing anymore.
playstation and tekken was an after the club activity with the boys where you could fight bruce lee vs jackie chan. now it's all gay magic sparks with anime waifus and femboys.
MK in general was just cool now its embarrassing low quality and Burka Fighter.

they all have way too many complexities and barriers to entry compared to old ones. plus the genre fucking sucks online, no one normal would subject themselves to that.

>>717552304
If I were getting into the game I'd likely be playing it on Fightcade, so the EO changes don't make much of a difference to me. K-Groove was what I was initially thinking of playing.
>who do you play in 3S?
Ibuki

>>717508043
>fighting game popularity are measured by player counts, not sales

Not to the people that matter. Sales are everything.

>>717550894
Chess doesn't require any motor skill, unless you are epileptic or something.

>>717560316
OK shareholder

>>717560064
play rolento

>>717509962
Even our parents knew what street fighter was. My mom knows who Michael Jordan is and she's never seen a basketball game in her life. That's how you know something is truly a social phenomenon.

>>717508880
You’re trying too hard nigga please kill yourself

>>717508880
Spot on
SF6 is literally unbearably ugly, it's the main reason I never cared about it.
Turns out the gameplay is shit too so in the end I am not really missing out.

I'm so mad tekken 8 sucks this must be how SF fans felt with 5

SF6 takes a valid SF skeleton and basically gapes every aspect of the game to a suitably wide enough point of entry for anybody to be able to do it. Anybody can whiffpunish because normals stay out a bajillion years. Anybody can combo because it's a baked in mechanic that lets you staple BnBs together with the press of a button. While it does all this, it never does it so egregiously that it loses its identity as a Street Fighter game, at least to me. But it basically takes all the exciting stuff and prolongs it to where it isn't exciting anymore.

>>717560884
sf5 was legit so bad I legit quit modern fighters all together. now I just play sf3 once in a blue moon to satisfy the itch

>>717560884
It's how I feel about "Street Fighter" 6 actually
Tekken 8 sucks because it's the least Tekken Tekken game to date. That's what SF6 is to the series too.
SFV had a shit launch but became good as early as Season 2

>>717560402
thats irrelevant and it has nothing to do with the argument
chess is a 1v1 game and is very popular

>>717553397
None of the Capcom Fighting Collections have lasted long.

>>717553397
>What went wrong?
Capcom being a bunch of cheap bastards, unwilling to pay for crossplay in their 40 dollar ROM collections
All the games in these things are old, niche games within an already niche genre, and all potential players are divided by 3
They are also pozzed with Enigma for good measure.

>>717560975
I'd agree with you if Drive Impact could be cancelled and Drive Rush didn't exist
The game is completely designed around drive rush which is why everything is so slow and shitty - so the drive rush version can be good

>>717564528
I still don't understand why drive rush should be split into separate categories for one-bar and three-bar where it's the LESS costly ones that winds up dominating the game. It could all be three bars and I don't see how it'd affect the game for anything but the better.

The games got sanitized and lame.

>>717562782
Did they censor the final fight stage music in Capcom vs snk pro with the latest patch?

>>717507285 (OP)
>relative to sf2 and sf4
there's more games for normies nowadays and local multi-player is dead. the existence of stuff like fortnite comparably makes fighting games much more niche as a genre even if they're more popular nowadays in a raw numbers sense
>in the past past decade
dbfz was the only actually popular one over 10 years outside of the common ones like sf and tekken
then dbfz died, and it was only popular because it had the dragonball ip so it had mass normie appeal
so some dbfz players migrated to strive so that made then made strive popular for a little bit before falling to average niche numbers
the rest migrated to sf6 or just moved onto other games, making the fg playercount largely move back to what it was pre-dbfz, which is fine in raw numbers but comparably not nearly as common amongst your average normie for the reasons stated at the start of my post

>>717571589
forgot to mention that the dlc model that sf5 and dbfz started also makes them comparably more expensive relative to other games.
everything is getting more expensive so your average normgroid is gonna feel more intimidated by the steep price point of a modern fg, where in the past they just had to buy whatever the newest edition was of sf2/sf4

fighting games were always niche.
the difference is that videogames themselves were niche back in the day, as well. now they're mainstream while fighting games stayed in their niche bubble

unironically because the genre is so small and tight-knit so the cancellation cascade ravaged every single game to the point of no return, only wholesome trannies who do nothing but play video games in their discord are able to care about fighting games anymore

>>717533964
trannies are considerably more autistic and competitive on average compared to normal people, it's a reason they're the only people that still play fighting games

>>717508880
SF IV is garbage on fire

>>717574535
Its kino though