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Anonymous No.717722204 >>717722861 >>717723206 >>717723395 >>717723592 >>717729130
Mass Effect Thr--
>The industry would literally be in a much better state today, if this game wasn't such a far cry from what it was meant to have been.
Anonymous No.717722861 >>717723145 >>717723395 >>717725513
>>717722204 (OP)
unsarcastically great post, but I would say this applies to ME2 as well to a lesser extent. Both of these, along with starcraft 2, were my first wiffs that something was off. Like perfection was having a tug of war with dogshit. It was clear something was going on behind the scenes and it didn't bode well.
Anonymous No.717723145 >>717723832
>>717722861
2 had a really positive vibe around it when it was new, other than bitter RPG nerds on BioWare Social Network. The criticisms against 2 are correct, but ultimately I felt like that game "won". ME3 doesn't, because it just didn't come close to the level of majesty it needed. It should've been like a Half Life 2 moment for the games industry, but something about ME3 in its entirety feels so extremely "It's just another video game". It didn't push any boundaries and stuck to safe clichΓ©s. It didn't even push the boundaries of its own franchise formula and relegated itself to just being a formulaic resummation of ME2 with more dev shortcuts taken to its aggressive deadline.

It's just another Jak 3, or Spider-Man 2, or God of War Ragnarok, except this was "Mass Effect". Like, it was supposed to be monumental, just like 2 felt monumental, and Jak 2 felt monumental, or Witcher 3 feels monumental.

It should've been a "Huge" game, not this.
Anonymous No.717723206 >>717723395 >>717723469
>>717722204 (OP)
no joke, this game marked the end of gaming journalism
Anonymous No.717723395
>>717722204 (OP)
>>717722861
Yes, I absolutely agree. I mean it had it's good points, but it definitely started to give a feeling that things would start to go down from there.

>>717723206
This is true. too.
Anonymous No.717723469 >>717723819 >>717724631
>>717723206
I still remember the shock that journos picked the wrong side. Here we had game makers we trusted, suddenly landing on their faces, but instead of admitting it when fans expressed bitter disappointment, they started not only defending it, but pretended it was "art" and that we just didn't get it or something. Then Journalists called us whiny entitled brats over it, to show they were fully behind BioWare and not even 1 single review had the honesty to add just 1 con saying "Hey the ending fucking sucks, but the game was good."
It felt so weird. I had never experienced anything like it at the time. It always felt like you were part of the internet conversation and journalists were moderate between it. I was 18 back then. And I just felt like I couldn't believe what was going on.
Anonymous No.717723480
ME2 > ME3 >>> ME1
Anonymous No.717723592 >>717723847
>>717722204 (OP)
Nobody wants to hear it but ME2 set up ME3 for failure from a plot perspective.
Anonymous No.717723819 >>717724249
>>717723469
this piece of shit and nfs most wanted (2012) were the two games that made me never trust journos ever again. they hyped them up as the second coming of Christ, yet they were back to back garbage. I was furious and for one also glad the rest of the Internet agreed.
Anonymous No.717723832 >>717724136
>>717723145
>The criticisms against 2 are correct, but ultimately I felt like that game "won".
I fully respect this opinion, but the reason I disagree is that Mass Effect 1's flaws felt like they were the result of technical problems rather than somebody else shoving their cock into the project.
ME1 feels like the game the team wanted to make, even if it could have been more fleshed out.
ME2 feels extremely polished, but like it was influenced by committee and soulless wine aunts looking at graphs saying "2% more people want to see more of X story and Y game mechanics put those in and take your shit out!"
Anonymous No.717723847
>>717723592
Most common take of all time, but it ultimately doesn't grab the bull by its horns for me.
I simply feel that 3 should've never been the kind of game that it became. Not from a plot POV, but just as a game production. It shouldn't have been a repetition of the kind of game ME2 is just made on shorter time. It should've gone the DA Inquisition route and been like "okay, we're REALLY making the hugest game as the finale, with so much ambition in every aspect" but it really just feels like a slightly polished up but narrowed-down version of ME2.

It's a good game but it really, really just felt like "another game" instead of the kind of hallmark "classic".

Final Fantasy Rebirth feels more like the kind of sequel I'd expect from something so already monumental. And it kind of delivers, you mileage may vary. But that being said, I'm fully braced for FFVII Remake Part 3 to be a ME3 tier fiasco with dev compromises and some kind of annoying developer history of people leaving midway or something.

A huge part of what doesn't do it for me in 3 is that you can just tell some of the writers aren't there anymore, because the whole tone of the game feels off at times.
Anonymous No.717723938 >>717724187
I'm kind of enjoying it the second time around. Feels like an unfinished game though, the side missions being glorified multiplayer sessions was a big misstep. Still, there are enough good character moments to make it worth playing. Playing with all the DLC makes it seem like a different game.
Anonymous No.717724136
>>717723832
>ME2 feels extremely polished, but like it was influenced by committee and soulless wine aunts looking at graphs saying "2% more people want to see more of X story and Y game mechanics put those in and take your shit out!"
2 is definitely the midway compromise between like "Hey, we work for a dudebro corporation now, let's make it COOL, but still try to keep the story going".
And i don't begrudge anybody for picking up on that and calling it illegitimate.

but for me, I'm just in the camp that it still "worked" for me, but I just didn't expect it to continue so straightforwardly into the final game. I thought okay, now you've polished up your game with slick guns and all that crap. Now go BACK to that more expansive feeling of the first game, bring some of that "feeling" back again, but also make the game feel more technically competent, all with the improved cinematic shots and all of this.

but in some ways 2 already had more stiff looking face animation than 1 had, and 3 while it can look more "emotive" it kinda feels like even in just a detail like that, there is a constant regression from game to game, and you look through so many conversations that it kinda matters to the lasting impression. People start having dead stares in ME3 because something about the face tech got screwed up between the games.

And it's just that, along with the writing issues that bother me. It feels like there are superficial technical improvements, but under the hood each game only got more dumbed down from the previous one, but I genuinely thought at the time (because I didn't fucking get the industry) that you could go to have ME2, and then reverse-inspire yourself to make ME3 more like the first game but with some technical learnings of 2.

But we just got an iteration on the direction they were already taking, and that totally fucked the series to its completion.
Anonymous No.717724187
>>717723938
I can also enjoy 3 in a "Majora's Mask of Mass Effect" sense.
But it's still full of moments that piss me off, especially if I play the 3 games in order, just like "Man it should've been THIS instead"
Anonymous No.717724249
>>717723819
NFS is actually truly baffling. I genuinely, to this day, don't understand what the fuck anyone was thinking giving that a 9/10. Like seriously! What is there to do in that game? It's the most empty racing game I've ever tried.
Anonymous No.717724631 >>717724698 >>717724841 >>717725493
>>717723469
The game is terrible as well. The ending wasn't a turd on a lemon meringue pie. It was a turd on a turd pie. It was literally decent shooting mechanics surrounded by every good character being raped and/or sidelined. The missions chains are incredibly long and lock you into them. There's a fucking evil twin straight out of an episode of The Young and the Restless. Your characters go "HURR DERP I GUESS EVERYTHING'S OKAY" when surrounded by indoctrinated people all speaking in slow monotone. More happens inexplicably in the 6 month downtime than happened in the 2 years between 1 and 2, and practically none of it's good. Jack is all better now and le cool teacher. Daniel is speaking complete sentences and acting reasonably normal (but he still does square roots because autism, y'all!).

Dumb shit happens all throughout the game. Liara doesn't think for a second that you wanting to kill the one human councilor and save the aliens means you're probably not on Cerberus' payroll. You sit there and watch Thane solo Kai Leng and do nothing. When Kai Leng is down, your party doesn't open fire on him. Kai Leng is a fucking jobber and somehow a badass within the storyline

This game is more than just a bad ending. It's an abortion.
Anonymous No.717724698
>>717724631
Er, Ashley, not Liara.
Anonymous No.717724841
>>717724631
>The game is terrible as well. The ending wasn't a turd on a lemon meringue pie. It was a turd on a turd pie. It was literally decent shooting mechanics surrounded by every good character being raped and/or sidelined. The missions chains are incredibly long and lock you into them. There's a fucking evil twin straight out of an episode of The Young and the Restless. Your characters go "HURR DERP I GUESS EVERYTHING'S OKAY" when surrounded by indoctrinated people all speaking in slow monotone. More happens inexplicably in the 6 month downtime than happened in the 2 years between 1 and 2, and practically none of it's good. Jack is all better now and le cool teacher. Daniel is speaking complete sentences and acting reasonably normal (but he still does square roots because autism, y'all!).
ME3 is one of the weirdest sequels in the feeling that it did a disservice by including characters only to write them off on a checklist.
I think it might've even been better if it took the bullet and excluded a few characters instead of treating it like a fan popularity contest, and just try to weave a proper story around any character they might've included.
They do a decent enough job working Mordin and Tali/Legion into the plot, even though all of them might be dead. It's literally all they had to do with anybody else, or create a proper side subplot with more meaningful use of some minor ME1/2 characters. But instead they went the most generic route trying to find excuses to insert them, and it just makes most missions in the game feel soulless, because it becomes "Oh this is the mission where Jacob shows up" and the other stuff about "Ex Cerberus crew" feels like it's just an offshoot.
Anonymous No.717725248
>potential new space ip worth billions
>fucked it up

crazy they didnt even get a cheap ass series
Anonymous No.717725493 >>717725563
>>717724631
That scene worked well IMO. She ditches you in the second game because of your affiliation, I don't see why she would suddenly forgive you at the start of the game. There's also her being instated as a Specter which she knows she is not up to snuff for but wants to do her best at it, and her first assignment is to defend her new boss from an unprecedented attack by the very group fueling her paranoia. 3 actually gave Ashley something interesting to do for once, I don't know that much about what happens with Kaiden but Ashley's backstory lines up pretty well with the outcome. It was a fairly tragic right trigger moment desu, I think it makes the most sense if you are a dick to her the entire game.
Anonymous No.717725513 >>717725621 >>717726176
>>717722861
Since you seem to have played me2 on release by that post of yours, here's a q: do you still give games/tv shows/media of any kind a chance anymore after they fumble the ball as hard as me2 (despite being a great game) did?
Anonymous No.717725563 >>717726217
>>717725493
But it's still
>let me kill the human! he's trying to kill the aliens!
>"that's just what Cerberus would want you to do!"
It doesn't make any sense. That should be the moment she stops doubting you immediately.
Anonymous No.717725621 >>717726072
>>717725513
>fumbled the ball
>almost universally praised except my ME3tranny
>fumbled the ball
>won the superbowl, but fumbled the ball
>fumbled the ball
>the ball got fumbled
>fumbled, the ball was
Anonymous No.717726072 >>717726152
>>717725621
I'm sorry, I didnt realize I was talking to a post op shrieking tranny
Please continue with your dilation, sir
Anonymous No.717726152 >>717726707
>>717726072
>gets called a tranny
>"NO U"
Great Job!
Anonymous No.717726176 >>717726639
>>717725513
Honestly I rarely give them a chance the first time anymore. I'm extremely jaded. I don't give something a chance if nobody is praising it and even if everyone is praising it I don't think it's garunteed to be good because most people are redditors.
The only things i give a chance these days are things that tickle my very specific brand of autism.
Example:
Helldivers 2: I love coop games, games where you play as a dominating force against lower life forms, etc.
Palword: Pokemon with guns is cool
Symphony of War: I like strategy games.

Honestly things fumbling isn't a deal breaker at all for me if the core concept is still something I like and can't get anywhere else. Serious Sam has fumbled the ball multiple times and I will still buy every single game that comes out and play them multiple times because I just love the core gameplay, and even when it's loaded with bugs like SS4 was it's something I can't get anywhere else.

Basically i'm a special snowflake.
Anonymous No.717726217
>>717725563
I can buy the conflict they set up in it being her new boss though, as well as the original human specter showing up to save the day when she has just come to grips with accepting the post, and her misgivings with the council vs humans in the first game when now the guy she felt betrayed by is coming to kill the first human councilor to save the aliens. There were a lot of confusing emotional threads being tugged at the same time while the clock is ticking, it made for a good tragedy. I think it's difficult to identify her as a character because squadmates always follow orders like lemmings and it usually only takes one line to simmer someone down, but here I think all the right ingredients were present for that to be unlikely.
Anonymous No.717726639
>>717726176
Completely understandable and I'm glad you found your niche
I had a similar discussion about a tv show called succession which shat a the bed after the s2 ending (similar to what happened with the bear after s1, and iasip after s7, bethesda after skyrim, etc)
People kept giving them a chance, in fear of missing out on what couldve been kino, only to be left with a pile of trash in their hands
My autism is way more easy to please than yours, even if I'm having trouble finding something that'll fit the bill these days,
>a good rpg with a story that I'll pirate.
If I play it for 100h+, I'll pick it up on gog. Otherwise, thanks for the free game
Anonymous No.717726707 >>717726868
>>717726152
Its okay to seethe and cope, you are after all a tranny
Keep on seething. Keep on coping.
Anonymous No.717726868 >>717728297
>>717726707
Too bad Mass Effect 2 is one of the greatest games ever and everyone agrees except you.
Anonymous No.717728297 >>717729038
>>717726868
Damn, all that anal leakage out of your neo-vagina making its presence evident through your views on the game that killed the franchise
How do you manage to not kill yourself tranny?
Anonymous No.717729038
>>717728297
>killed the franchise
>had 2 more games
>but it was killed with 2
>has no actual arguments, but thinks he's original by trying to reverse me calling him a tranny
Here's some walls to upset you.
Anonymous No.717729130
>>717722204 (OP)
The rot began with ME2