Thread 717753776

It's now been the longest gap between entries

What are you hoping the next game looks like?

total mechanical overhaul
ultimate was brawl 3, it's finally an okay iteration but jesus fucking christ just give me momentum in my fucking jumps again
let me waveland on platforms and fucking move around
get rid of the goddamn ledge magnetism
go back to melee DI with the perpendicular directions instead of horizontal DI in ultimate being completely different from vertical DI for no fucking reason

Reimu

>>717753905

Yeah the post-Melee games do feel like a contained trilogy

a new take starts with a new creative director and there's a non zero chance the next game has one

>>717754060
sakurai is insanely autistic about details which is perfect for a smash game so I worry about him being gone if that is the case
but mechanical overhaul is really what the series needs, you can't top ultimate in terms of content, and it's backwards compatible on their new system anyway so there's every reason to shake it up and make something actually new

>>717753776 (OP)
That's not true.. the gap between brawl and 4 was like what, 8 years?

Characters should have shield specials. Something that can only be activated when groundborne.
>Inkling - ink refill
>Terry - dodge attack
>Peach - turnip
>Mario - fludd
>Villager - tree

>>717754279

January 2008 Brawl
September 2014 Smash 3DS

December 2018 Ultimate to today is longer

>>717754469
God, I wish games were less successful as an industry. Series shouldn't be split between either being annually released slop or taking an entire fucking decade for the next entry to release.

>>717753776 (OP)
change everything from the ground up. keep the platform fighter concept but start from square 1 instead of copying the previous game

>>717754279
You shouldn't consider years since release a worthwhile metric since Ultimate was pumping out DLC characters up until late 2021. Truthfully, I don't think we're gonna get another Smash game for a while, especially since Sakurai is working on the new Kirby Air Ride. The guy's a workaholic, so if a new Smash game were eventually greenlit, it'd have to be produced with his involvement (or at least under his guise).

>>717754207
ultimate's content sucked dick, you could very very easily top ultimate in terms of content. Melee and Brawl both had better single player content for a start, melee's stadium mode and brawl's subspace shit all over ult's pathetic versions of the same

>>717755017
I liked world of light and I'm tired of pretending it was bad

>>717755059
I was interested in it conceptually before release but it was very very underwhelming in execution and as an actual experience to play.

>>717755059
World of Light was nothing but boring, gimmicky spirit battles and statfaggotry, with the occasional character unlock or boss fight. It's incredibly dull and mind-numbing to play. Subspace Emissary beats it on every front.

>>717755059
It was fun. I just didn't like it as much as Melee Adventure or Brawl Subspace. Maybe even 4's Smash Run

give Shulk his goggles back

>>717754768

miss the 2000s where major releases typically had a 3 to 4 year gap

>>717753905
>>717754060
>>717754207
Take a shower, stay away from children, and stop making each other kill themselves

>>717756479
smash 64 came out in 1999 and melee came out in 2001, and melee itself only took 13 months. it was a much better time

i absolutely fucking hate these new decade long development cycles. No-one knows how to ship a damn game in a timely fashion anymore

>>717753776 (OP)
>A smaller scale roster that focuses more on updating and heavily revamping old characters movesets. I'm picturing a roster with around 50-55 characters total
>Some new major universal mechanic that makes the game stand out from the others in the series. I don't know what specifically but an assist/character call mechanic would be cool me thinks
>Something along the lines of an adventure/story mode. Not exactly Subspace 2 since I feel like that's unlikely, but something closer to that than World of Light. Either that or an updated Smash Run
>Corrin is removed

I hope that they are all nude

>>717753776 (OP)
hoping for more side modes, i've thought a "king of the hill" mode could be fun.
boss rushes, more stuff like master and crazy orders from smash 4, things like that
imagine a story mode that's slowly released post launch so sakurai doesn't get mad at people just posting them on the internet
>>717755059
it was a good idea but spirit battles were held back by weird limitations, i don't know why they all had to be 1 stock battles. the flat attack and defense upgrades made most of the powers pointless outside of floor effect immunity. they were likely putting most their effort adding and balancing 69+ characters into the base roster of a fighting game.
also spirits needed descriptions describing who any of these people are

>>717759498
It's funny how easily you can make FEfags asshurt in Smash threads

Would it be too much to ask for most of the Mario characters to finally have models that aren't still based on their goddamn GCN/Brawl models

8 player open world 3D arena fighter with sse and volleyball minigame

>>717753905
Ultimate was worse than 4

>>717761879
lol

>>717757041
Because its not just
>Make video game
>Ship video game

Its:
>Writers: Come up with story/dialogue
>Development: Procure people and learn tools to dev
>Marketing: Make material and coordinate campaigns
>Consultants: DEI etc.
>Voice overs: Negotiate terms, procure and record, devs go back and rig models to dialogue
>Graphics Artists: Style and generate concept art, assist marketing
>Musicians: Create music
>Play-testing
>First attempts at game balance
>Make Alpha, put it through QA
>Game balance
>Make Beta, closed if needing user input
>Game balance
>Coordination with publisher to release game

Not to mention you have to corral these potentially 100s of people and make semi-coherent timelines for all these pieces that will both progress and finish at different times. Alignment meetings and meetings with various shareholders and possible coordination with 3rd parties for anything and everything that may be needed in the midst of everything everybody else is already working on in between your project.

Definitely not as simple as it was back in the day. Throwing more people at to get it done faster only helps to a point.

>>717761978
>sticky platforms
>best characters are all campers, literally all of them
>shittier online somehow
>more input delay
Its shit. Ult is shit

>>717761124
It’s funny how easily you can make anti-FEfags asshurt in smash threads

will the next game actually be about first/second party nintendo characters again? And just have about 3-5 3rd parties in base game?

Because of all the third party stuff they added in Ultimate's DLC. I've seen so many youtubers or people on the general internet not view Smash as a general Nintendo crossover anymore, but just a celebration of literally the entire video game industry and history

Ultimate Switch 2 Edition. They've been rehashing the same assets since Brawl anyway, might as well embrace it

>>717759498
>only asks to remove corrin
>still rumproasted

Kirby Air Riders won

>>717757393
>>A smaller scale roster that focuses more on updating and heavily revamping old characters movesets.
>I'm picturing a roster with around 50-55 characters total
are you retarded bro, if you want revamps you gotta cut it down a LOT more. 30 at the absolute most.

>>717753776 (OP)
No it isn't, its only been close to 4 years since SSBU was being continuously worked on until 2021.

>>717753776 (OP)
Freddy Fazbear

>>717753776 (OP)
That it doesn't exist and instead you fuckers have to put up with more Ultimate DLC that's now Switch 2 exclusive, and the only way you can balance Steve is if you buy the next console and upgrade your copy.

>>717753776 (OP)
Was never into smash

The perfect Smash game post Ultimate would have:
>40 characters at launch
>3-4 alt costumes for every character with palette swaps for default
>Revamped moveset for every single character that originated from Melee or 64
>Updated movement, no more adding and taking away from Brawl. New momentum, for example, would be a great start
>Every single side mode from 64 - Ultimate present, modes that overlap with one another get their best incarnation in.
>Online mode should have official tournaments, private lobbies with support up to 15 players, private/user made tournaments, for fun, and for glory.
>Smash tags return, but bring back stickers for extra personalization. If you want to make them collectable, then give the players something to actually look at
>Any returnees, or DLC post launch will all come with stages, music, stickers/spirits/trophies, and their own Break the Targets stage
>Character unlocks through numbers of fights or exploring other modes

>>717761978
Ultimate has the least amount of valuable side modes since 64, and it's variety in online is pitiful when put against 4. Sakurai was retarded for adding preferred rules in Ultimate.

>>717770362
brawl+ characters are the ones that need their moveset reworked. Smash went to shit after melee because everyone got retardedly strong recoveries. edge games became a thing of the past.

>>717753776 (OP)
It should look like virtual fighter. I want to see all the platform fighter fans cry.

>>717759498
Hi I made the original post. I just want to clarify its exclusively Corrin. the other Fire Emblem characters are fine

>>717767907
I know but like... Smash is way too big of a franchise for it to have only 30 characters in a basegame roster

>>717764223
>will the next game actually be about first/second party nintendo characters again?

You know how failing Gacha games will have a Persona 5 collab to try and save the game. The same thing basically happened to Smash and Mario Kart during the Wii U days. Profits were in the shitter and Nintendo needed some way to get their big hitters to sell. Ultimate was made with this in mind which is why they had a ballot and added the kitchen sink in terms of third party characters (including Persona 5 funnily enough). Nintendo is not in dire straights anymore so it will probably go back to being about Nintendo characters, just as Mario Kart went back to being about Mario (remember when everyone though the next Mario Kart would be Nintendo Kart lol)

>>717772619
corrin is sexier and the only FE char worth keeping

>>717774842
pff see ya next DLC

>>717774842
>implying they aren't saving the crossovers for DLC
They're keeping them as a back pocket option, especially in case World doesn't get the longevity they want. And given the shitshow state of online, it's pretty safe to say they'll be busting out that emergency option in due time.

honestly they really missed an opportunity to do another subspace with ultimate's roster.
Because i imagine the next games will probably cut most of the fighters.

>>717772715
>only 30
Most fighting games could only dream of having a base roster that big.

And having a base roster of 50 revamped/new movesets just isn't gonna be feasible either, unless you want the game to take a decade to develop, or for them to significantly cheapen how much effort goes into characters.

>>717774842
i feel smash is just a special scenario and they will likely keep a lot of 3rd party characters in, maybe the more out there or expensive characters will get cut like Joker, Hero and Cloud, but a lot of other 3rd partys will likely stay, like Sonic, Ryu and Pac-man.
>>717775623
getting all these companies approval for cutscenes would probably double, if not triple the already lengthy development time and budget.

>>717775989
When I said 50-55 I meant like: 35-40 veterans and 10-12 newcomers, I don't mean just the veterans with that number
Obviously I understand significantly reworking every veteran would be impossible, so trying to be a little more realistic, lets say only the characters introduced in 64 & Melee (not all of them but most) get significant reworks, whereas the ones introduced in Brawl onwards (aside from a select few like Sonic) only get minor tweaks

>>717753776 (OP)
Actual good gameplay would be a start.
>>717753905
GIGA FPBP

>jump momentum
>tone down the input buffering and baked-in lag, it got fucking ridiculous in Ultimate
>revamp or redo certain veterans' movesets (Ganondorf, Samus, Sonic)
>better single-player content
>just basically bring back Melee or even Brawl's Classic Mode (about a dozen random fights and a couple minigame levels), why do they keep fucking this up on purpose

>>717753776 (OP)
Ultimate 2 baby. Give characters more accurate moves and add in my nigga Rocks Ass. And put back in every single stage they left out.

>>717753776 (OP)
It needs more blacks

>>717778994
Name one who deserves to be in it. CJ?

>>717778994
excuse me?

If Sakurai is working on Kirby doesn’t that mean we have to wait a very long time for the next Smash or is Bamco on it right now?

>>717778994
The only notable black man worthy of a spot in Smash is Barret, but we already have Cloud and Sephiroth, so that'd be Final Fantasy bloat.

>>717779551
I thought he was meant to be latino?

>>717779162
would actually be cool. maybe the other protagonists can be alt skins, like bowser jr.

>>717755059
It would’ve been fine if it was 10 hours shorter

>>717753776 (OP)
Give me a beat-em-up esque adventure mode with co-op where the cutscenes and story take place in actual Nintendo worlds instead of generic landscapes.
And please don't have anything resembling The Great Maze. What a shitty final level.

>>717779364
Bamco is on Air Riders, but HAL is secretly working on Smash 6 at the same time, possibly with a new director. Their only Kirby games in the 4 years since Forgotten Land are a couple of spinoffs and touched-up ports, almost as if they’re spending the big guns on something else.

>>717780626
>gib me heckin avengers kingdom hearts style ebent pwease!!!
>oh fuck I wove SWOP so much!

>>717753776 (OP)
>>717754469
This is such a stupidly disingenuous take. Ultimate was supported after launch until October 2021 with constant barrage of new fighters, stages, music, costumes, patches, and spirit events. Ultimate's 3 year life cycle only got more hype as it went along. So in actuality it's only been 4 years that we've been dealing with a Smash drought. To imply that we've been waiting for a full 7 years is dumb.

>>717780626
>asking for Nintendo to make a movie game
Snoy falseflagger

>>717753776 (OP)
Is that including DLC, or just the original base game?

>>717753776 (OP)
who cares
smash hasn't been good since melee

>>717753776 (OP)
idk last game was pretty good, although i wanted something like subspace. world of light was decent but there wasn't much to it. apart from that, gimme quote and curly and a hell stage for somethin new, give wario a land based moveset, give mega man moves from other games than 2, give ness and lucas psi rockin/pk love as their final smashes, and please keep simon belmont in the game. that's all really, shouldn't be much to ask for desu

Just make Ultimate DX (Nintendo Switch 2 edition)
>11 newcomers to round it out to 100 fighters
>revamp the existing echo fighters to be far more unique
>bring back every other retro stage that isn't in ultimate and a few more (including one for ROB, why the fuck doesn't he have a home stage yet)
>focus most of the new content on side modes, namely a new and improved smash run, holy fuck ultimate dropped the ball when it came to the side modes
That's all i really want.

>>717782094
Faggot try hard

Btw anyone who says remove Corrin is a shill troll trying to confuse Nintendo and ruin their chances of success.

>>717782282
We get it, you're scared of losing Everyone Is Here.

>>717780626
This, but also get rid of DLC2 (except Banjo), Sonic, Lucina, and Rob.
Add Black Shadow with Ganondorf's moveset, and make Dorf his own fighter instead of a shitty Falcon clone
De-clone the carbon-copies like Daisy, D.Samus, etc.
Do some balance tweaks and changes
Finally, add Homestar Runner as a playable fighter
in b4
>n-not vidya!
Besides the many well-made flash games that celebrate legacy gayming, and the 10 or so professional titles that have appeared on Nintendo consoles since the Wii era.
He's more vidya related than Rob, G&W, Ice Climbers, or garbo requests like Sans Undertale or Goku