what the fuck is its problem

>>717847904 (OP)
Drake sword for a new generation

>>717847904 (OP)
This sword is slow as fuck.

I'm glad Korone stopped using it

bleed damage is such a fucking meme in this game

It's the only somber weapon that can be buffed with resins and spells

>I'm gonna do a bleed build haha I bet no one has done it before

>>717848398
Not even.

Drake Sword was a noob trap. It was hilariously overpowered when you got it, mostly because you hadn’t upgraded any other weapons yet. Upgrading a regular weapon to +5 (which you can do by spending a couple thousand souls at Andre, like 5 mins after Drake Sword) will make it almost as good. And normal weapons will overtake Drakesword somewhere between +6 and +9 depending on how many points in STR/DEX you have. But it leaves such a strong first impression that people simply never upgraded anything else, and ended up screwing themselves over by using it.

Bloodhound is nothing like that. It’s very good when you get it, and stays good for entire game. There is never a situation where a different Curved Greatsword is better, assuming you want physical damage.

>>717847904 (OP)
It's actually an amazing idea
>close enough to the starting area that everyone can find it on their own
>locked behind a boss that teaches you about bleeding, and how blocking everything isn't the best idea if you're into shields
>curved greatswords have an amazing moveset so you're more likely to enjoy the game better after picking it up
>it also has a kind of cool-looking WA to teach you about how varied they can be
>it's also strong enough and somber stones are common enough to carry you through the entire game until you find something cooler
The thing is that many players are fucking lazy so they never move on to other weapons afterwards

>>717848908
Poor Varre’s Bouquett, so easily forgotten.

bouquette with bleed grease is fucking broken, since ARC scaling boosts the grease as well. With grease it hits 200+ bleed

>>717849156
Okay then. Zweihander for a new generation.

I understand why people like it I just can't fuck with the curved greatsword moveset on any level

>>717849176
why would a normie casual player ever move on from it? It's so strong and can carry them through the entire game. It should have been nerfed into the ground years ago.

>>717849176
>The thing is that many players are fucking lazy so they never move on to other weapons afterwards
I didn't move on from it and why would I? it has good stats, the jump attack is good and bleed is all but necessary to deal with the health sponge bosses in this game. Bleed makes the game tolerable
I can't imagine using any other weapon.
I play Souls games offline FYI.

>>717849380
Yeah that’s a far more accurate comparison. Although they don’t play anything like eachother, both are very strong weapons that utilise overpowered mechanics.

DaS1 Zweihander
> one of longest weapons in the game
> R2 is highest poise damage single hit in entire game, and has a gigantic hitbox that staggers stuff that doesn’t even get hit
> perfect weapon to Facetank with using heavy armour and constantly poise break bosses, you can stunlock Smough with R2’s


Bloodhound Fang
> bleed
> very strong way of war
> hidden 10% bonus to jump attacks

Its like early game training wheels guiding you to most dominant strategies.

>>717849647
>>717849915
I mean, the game has so many weapons that eventually you were supposed to try something you found, a new boss weapon or found a new ash and went "oh god this is pretty cool, I'm going to start using it".
In fact not being able to customize it with another ash or damage scaling is probably meant to be the main balancing point that should make you want to try something else, but then again they probably didn't count on people just being satisfied with what they got

>>717850386
The game also guides you to the BHF and practically gives it to you for free. You can summon Blaidd, so you don't even need to beat the boss.

i used it until rani gave me the popscicle

>>717850394
elden ring has a reputation of being difficult so average players will lock in to a weapon that has been good to them. There is no incentive to try something else when they've spent dozens of hours with it, upgrading it, and putting stats in their build. You can respec but we're talking about the casual player here who is intimated to even think about changing their entire build. If bleed wasn's so overpowered they would have dropped the sword within the first 8 hours.

>>717848908
bloodflame flamberge > bloodflame bloodhound's fang

>>717851702
flamberge looks like shit and upgrading non somber is fucking pain

>>717849156
Drake full upgraded is 300 pure physical base damage. Which is honestly not bad for it's weapon class that is a straight sword for minimum stat requirements.
Baldur Side sword does 96 more pure physical damage at 60 dex.
The only thing really holding the +5 Drake Sword back is it's inability to be buffed.
A sword with very little stats need and 300 base damage would've been extremely strong if it could be coated with weapon buffs.

It's really mid outside of DEX/FTH builds
>>717849156
>There is never a situation where a different Curved Greatsword is better, assuming you want physical damage.
This is so wrong.
STR builds have no use for it as things like like the Beastman's GCS and Freya's CS outdamage it easily on top of providing better ashes of war.
FTH builds are better off with either an infused Omen Cleaver or the Magma Wyrm's sword
INT builds still want the Omen Cleaver since it has the best elemental scaling in the game and you can put much better ashes of war.
ARC has Morgott's CS which simply outclasses Bloodhound's fang, ARC hybrids that aren't DEX focused all have better GCS choices, let alone things like the Flamberge.

>>717848692
Has she? I haven't caught up yet.
But that's good. It's a very powerful weapon, but everyone and their mother is using it already, I certainly prefer something more unique.

>>717849380
>Objectively really good weapon found very early on in a run
yes

>>717852749
A lot of the options you list are mid/late game or use regular smithing stones (lmao). I think part of the appeal is how early you get it. It also has fantastic reach, iirc only morgott's is longer, so a few lost points of damage can be a fine trade off.

For me it will always be my beloved...

>>717849156
Bloodhound is a noob trap because the aow is shit against bosses. Flamberge does everything Bloodhound does and you can put a good aow on it.

>>717854215
You're not wrong, BHF's major benefit is that you can get it immediately for free, but to say that there's no other scenario where you can have a better GCS is just patently wrong, which is why people who actually know how to play this game largely ignore it as it has no place in anything that isn't a DEX/FTH build.

>>717847904 (OP)
>acquired early on
>good damage
>bleed
>buffable
>somber upgrade path
Genuinely what the fuck were they thinking?

>>717849279
not even that can save the flower weapon, entire hammer moveset sucks ass, 1h 2h dual wield doesnt matter, garbage

>>717854753
>"we need to let retarded players access easy mode for the first half of the game"

>>717854323
yup, thinking: "Based"

>>717855086
>caring about how others play the game
this is why you niggers are mocked

>>717855346
you asked why the weapon exists, that's why, its not my fault you're self-conscious about your build

>>717854341
Nah bruh, Flamberge only starts cooking once you're deep enough to farm the damn Exiles for a decent drop rate, and even then you're burning normal stones like crazy while your sombers just sit there. Bloodhound’s Fang gets you absurd early game value: high damage, built-in bleed, solid scaling, and the ash carries against mobs or bosses that don’t go airborne every five seconds. Yeah, the AOW gets outpaced later, but you’re already halfway through the game before it really shows. Tryhard comparisons are cool and all, but for a blind or casual first playthrough? Nothing beats it.

>>717847904 (OP)
it's funny how this only started being a popular meme weapon after distortion started using it for his regionlocked speedruns

>>717854341
I mean bloodhound's ash of war is still good against bosses, as long as you dont spam it like a retard. mix it up with some evasive strafes into bosses blindspots followed by charged R2's, ect.

>>717854753
>npc can solo the boss for you
all pure coincidences

>>717856016
Just use CE to spawn them in really. Don't waste time wrong warping to Farum Azula.

>>717856016
>Flamberge only starts cooking once you're deep enough to farm the damn Exiles for a decent drop rate
you can pick up flamberg in redmane castle anon

>>717856165
>literally who
It was always popular due to being a solid all-rounder you could also infuse since day one, your speedtranny had nothing to do with it zoomer

>>717847904 (OP)
The basic greataxe which you can get in limgrave too is stronger than this if you don't count the status.
And then there's the crit greataxe, which is definitely one of the best weapons in the game.
I am convinced that people who talk about le popular weapons being most busted ever don't even try looking what else exists in the game, they just read some guide and beeline to what it points to.

>>717856165
retard

>>717856016
?? You don't have to farm for the Flamberge. You get it from Redmane castle. You can rush to it right off the bat and don't have to kill anything for it. Granted it's not something you'd know on a blind playthrough but Redmane castle is something you should be tackling in the first 1/3 of the game. And smithing stones are a non-issue if you don't ignore mines.

>>717856562
Nah, it's really bad.

>>717856165
brainrot post

>>717857046
>I am convinced that people who talk about le popular weapons being most busted ever don't even try looking what else exists in the game, they just read some guide and beeline to what it points to.
You're objectively right.

>>717857046
>stronger than this if you don't count the status
that doesn't mean much considering how disgustingly powerful bleed is in elden ring
and the weapon art on the bhb is ridiculously good

>>717856763
why do this, the joy of replaying an ARPG is to play the game as intended with different builds, not to cheat and oneshot early game enemies

>>717848398
I beat the game (with it)

>>717857261
I never said cheat and oneshot. I said not to waste time investing stones in one weapon, wanting another, and not being able to because the bell bearing is in Farum fucking Azula.

>>717854341
>Spamming on bosses
Go frost stomp some more noob

>>717857261
It's infinitely more fun to spawn in a weapon only available at the end of the game than doing an NG+ run with said weapon.

>>717857251
Bleed is not particularly powerful unless you're building to inflict it with some DW arcane scaling weapons and shit. An average player who just has one weapon with non-scaling bleed status, particularly a greatsword sized or larger one, and hits enemies with it as usual, will generally see one bleed proc per fight, on some more resistant enemies - none.
Not to mention that many enemies are bleed immune.

The most OP'd weapon I've found in the game for pve is probably Backhand Blade. It takes time to get used to and is kind of boss dependant but it's the second best weapon to take out Melania with.

>>717857528
Frost stomp was good until like 2 weeks after launch, anon. Then it got nerfed to oblivion. But anyways, there are plenty of "good but reasonable" ashes of war out there.

>>717857604
>Bleed is not particularly powerful unless you're building to inflict it with some DW arcane scaling weapons and shit.
That's horseshit. Back when the game released a shitty bleed weapon obliterated anything because of how OP bleed is. Maybe they nerfed it since then but it sure as fuck was never weak.

>>717857525
>I said not to waste time investing stones in one weapon, wanting another, and not being able to because the bell bearing is in Farum fucking Azula.
That's the intended progression path for weapons, there's a reason you can't get a +25 weapon before morgott

>>717857046
I wanted to make an axe build with the warcry ashes of war, but warcry makes charged R2s too hard to use. It sounded fun on paper at least.

>>717857604
>Bleed is not particularly powerful unless you're building to inflict it
That's completely false anon. Even with basic arcane bleed is extremely effective. Just because you don't bleed enemies with a single powerstanced attack doesn't mean it's not strong.

>>717857820
you spawn in the +0 weapon and play normally, you dont cheat in the stones retard....

>>717854753
They truly ruined this game by doing this crap with multiple gear, just fucking easy mode for everyone in 5 minutes, no wonder so many tards got mindbroken by the DLC

Every ER character I made I just end up gravitating to using the Misericorde and shanking people with it, I just like critical hits too much

>>717857251
Bleed is overrated, Frost is much better for % damage as nothing is immune to Frost.
Good luck getting a bleed proc on things like Black Blade Kindred.
>and the weapon art on the bhb is ridiculously good
It's really mediocre actually, super long animation, mediocre damage, the only good MVs are on the second hit...it's actually hard carried by the stats and custom MV on the weapon rather than being an actually good weapon art, and the fact that you get in limgrave where everything's a chump so you can't see how bad it scales later on.
Even among the unique weapon arts it ranks pretty low, it's nowhere near things like Bloodblade dance or actual busted stuff like Dynast Finesse or Ordovis' Vortex, most normal ashes of war are better, a Lordsworn SW with Square Off is vastly more powerful than the BHF in any scenario and it's not even close.

>>717857820
I keep everything leveled not to break progression already. Just not wasting time to have fun.

>>717857879
Warcry seems mostly a meme, but greataxes have a very good moveset in general - attacks are very fast for weapon's damage and stagger, and reach is long. Maybe it's the best base weapon category moveset in the game, not counting dlc. Very good both 2h and with a shield, and dw omenkiller axes are super good bleed weapons (but they look like ass).

>>717858132
>>717857604
>>717857760
>>717857932
>>717858132
bleed has been nerfed several times since release, its pointless to discuss unless you give a version number, otherwise you're comparing apples and oranges

>>717857879
Warcry's really good on great axes/hammers/colossals since you can leverage the extra HA you get on charged R2s for maximum damage.
It's not really good on hand axes though as the slower R2s don't benefit as much from the lower HA of that weapon class, it's really something you'd use on bigger weapons while two handing them, and even there it's designed around PvP more than PvE.

>Tfw proper rot weapons are almost all in end game areas
I absolutely love Rotten Great axe but its in the fucking snowfields. Life is suffering

>>717858386
Unironically use Glorious Merchant if you're on PC, get the gear you need and have fun

>>717857046
>stronger than this if you don't count the status
So it's not stronger, gotcha.

>>717847904 (OP)
The Bloodhound's Fang is gay and cringe because all curved greatswords are cringe in ER because they didn't put my weaponfu, the Murakumo, in the game. Simple as.

>>717858386
>Mfw FROM erases the fixed Battle Hammer drop from that one Limgrave catacomb and makes it a rare drop from that one lone gladiator all the way in Leyndell
>But they leave the brick hammer at the usual place anyway

>>717858494
Im pirate so most mods dont work. I wasnt even aware of this. Thanks anon

>>717858586
Omen Cleaver is ER's 'Kumo, it also looks way better, shame for the butchering knife R2s though, they really don't fit the weapon's aesthetics

>>717858097
Elden Ring was made with mass appeal in mind, so it's obvious why they would make it so ridiculously easy to get a really good build early on, because the vast majority of people who play the game will immediately search for the most busted early game weapon they can find and stick with that for the overwhelming majority of the game. It's also why you can immediately get shit like the Blessed Dew Talisman right from the beginning of the game, or even the Dragoncrest Shield Talisman. Hell, they even made it so that if all you level up is Vigor, you'll be completely fine. It's obviously intentional to broaden the potential playerbase by making it as accessible as possible, to the point that they give you your own personal summons to use for difficult areas and bosses.

>>717847904 (OP)
It’s insane how strong this weapon is and how much versatility it has. It’s also crazy that you can get it within the first 45 minutes of the game. This thing is the ROB of normal weapons.

slightly off-topic but it's the only ER thread up right now: is there a WORKING mod for Elden Ring to respawn the bosses? i want to go back and fight some but i'm too lazy to make a new character. i tried https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/2790 but it doesn't work and it looks like it's abandoned

>>717850386
>hidden 10% bonus to jump attacks
really wtf?

am i misremembering or did they massively buff colossal weapons in a recent patch?

>>717859154
Try Reforged and stop it from separating your vanilla saves with reforged saves

>>717859398
The recent patch being in 2022, yeah. They sucked massive cock in the release version, slow as molasses

>>717859057
Not only can you get it within the first hour of the game, but if you do Blaidd's quest leading up to the boss, you can summon him for it.

>>717858123
I would do this but I don't like the daggers' crit animation on large bosses

>>717859543
They got their attack speed buffed again in September last year.

>>717859471
ugh isn't that a complete overhaul mod? then again it does say you can resurrect bosses so i guess that's the best one can ask for right now

>>717860248
you can just use cheat engine

wats ur guys favorite boss weapon

>>717859359
Really
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j4bpTbsnp5Xsgw9TP2xv6d8R4qk0ErpE9r_5LGIDraU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

>>717859038
But the previous games are like this too. For example, you mention that you can only level vigour and be fine. But that strategy is even stronger in DS1 due to how OP pyromancy and non-scaling infusions are. If you want to get an OP early build, all of the best rings (FAP, Havel, Darkwood) are super early in the game. OP weapons like Zwei also come very early.

No idea how it became such a noob magnet. I tried using it and thought it sucked. The Ash of War has an abhorrently long wind-up and obvious telegraphing, it can't be infused, and its scaling is mediocre.

>>717861772
>and obvious telegraphing
It's not great for PVP. It's a PVE weapon.

>>717861824
It's not particularly good for PVE either, it's just that noobs see that it's good in Limgrave and then never take it off for most, if not all of the game

It falls victim to the spicy handshake every time!

>>717862160
I both love and hate this retarded piece of shit, that and the poison handshake should have been Hand to Hand, not fists

>the combat isnt anything special

>>717847904 (OP)
>Bleed just chunks an enemies health
>Frostbite is just blue bleed
>Sleep depletes FP and immobilizes you
>Frenzy is yellow sleep but you lose health too
>Poison does 0.07%+7 Max HP per tick over 90 seconds
>Red poison is just twice as good
I just wanna poison people... Why is there such a power gap between the statuses

The real most OP weapon in the game.
>Does the most Bleed damage
>Fire damage on top
>Synchronizes well with Dragon spells for S-tier spells.
>AOE
>All the "hard" bosses are weak to it.

People just don't use it because it's slow and doesn't look as cool as dual-wielding katanas, but it's the real cheese weapon in this game.

>>717863062
Same thing in Division 2:
>end-game scaling fire DoTs with entire builds centered around them
>bleed is total meme not even affecting enemy HP bars, only appliance is a gear set that uses it to deliver a whole another debuff altogether

>>717863062
Bleed scales with Arc, Frostbite with Int. Frost also lowers afflicted enemy's defense for as long as they are affected.
Frenzy only affects NPCs and player-models, Sleep works on significantly more stuff.
Poison can be applied to any weapon and will result in more than double the buildup of Rot (no rot sources scale with any stat). You can also apply both to the same target.

>>717847904 (OP)
It just works and you can get it early.
The amount of weapons and items in that game is ridiculous. There's far too many and there's barely any difference between any of them.

Games have a massive fucking bloat problem, and the amount of weapons in Elden Ring is a prime example.

>>717863519
The weapon art is the only good thing about it and the full chain leaves you stationary for way too long to be good against actually hard stuff, it falls off really bad in NG+ cycles too due to that

>>717863010
It's true, it's not like you juggle hollows or anything.

>>717864448
>Only one weapon catalyst in the entire game
>Only one hybrid catalist in the entire game
>Catalysts themselves lack dedicated options for entire spell schools
>ARC still has no real options in multiple weapon categories
>There is ONE throwing blade type in the game and it's outclassed by a fucking hybrid claw
Nah fuck off with that, the game needs more options if anything

>>717860498
u posted it :)

>>717848746
wdym

>>717860498
>went in dlc with shitty strength occult build just to get a little extra damage out of 66 strength
>End up with something that pushed 1000 damage per swing with this thing
>Bossed dying before frost had a chance to proc
love this "axe"

>>717847904 (OP)
>midhound badweapon

>>717852749
int build would want bloodfang because you arent going to infuse the sword with magic you are going to buff it with magic weapon and bloodhound fang WA does good damage with str/agi investment anyways

>>717870086
*without

>>717847904 (OP)
I enjoyed it for a while but didnt want to play the game doing the same exact shit the whole time. I went the other stereotypical route: berserk sword or board with the behelit sword. Next playthrough I'll be a magic shitter or a naked man with fist weapons

>>717854753
Somber upgrade path should not be an upside
what a retarded design decision

>>717857046
it's really not, even pure raw physical AR the BHF is only a tiny bit lower on an average build and can actually be higher depending on how much stat investment you want. At 99/99 a +10 BHF is the second or third highest pure physical AR weapon in the game, after the Giant Crusher and maybe one more
And it has faster attacks, longer reach, lower stamina costs, and fucking bleed on top of it

>>717863010
And that's a good thing

>>717847904 (OP)
im trying to convince myself to try this piece of shit game again but i cannot think of a single weapon or playstyle I want to do, and I've only played the game twice
everything that I normally enjoy doing or seems interesting to me (great axes, great hammers, ugs, flails, powerstancing something funny, shortbows) seem to either have absolutely no weapon variety or dogshit boring movesets
are shield runs any good like they were in 2 and 3? im not doing the dlc early for a "dueling shield"
and then i remember smithing stones and i wonder why i think about this at all

>>717847904 (OP)
>can't use ashes of war
Sorry, not using it

>>717847904 (OP)
>we want the STR/FAI audience

>>717860498
I honestly don't like the boss weapons very much, but my favorite is probably Blasphemous Blade, which is ironic because it's the king of NPC boss weapons.
>2H GS R2 is a god attack
>has hyper armor
>recovers your HP on kill
>recovers your HP on L2
>L2 is hilarious when it hits, and it hits more than you think it will
>looks cool
The real reason I like it is that, for a while, I was obsessed with regeneration builds, which only really work at low levels because regeneration doesn't scale at all. I made and remade the same build three times, and Blasphemous Blade ended up on one version.

>>717876240
I ended up using Blasphemous Blade in my first playthrough, but really just because I was a STR/FAI build and liked the look of the sword; I don't think I ever used the L2.

>>717875357
a fun playthrough I did when I was getting tired of the normal game shit was fat roll with a great shield and quickstep lance
also just cheat in a duelling shield or get someone to drop one on console

>>717847904 (OP)
>no equivalent in ER

>>717847904 (OP)
for me it's

>>717879563
I hate this thing
the idea is so cool but the actual model is just a bunch of identical low poly sword blades glued together randomly

>>717875690
A shame we can only get it so late into the DLC, it has a lovely moveset (has the moveset of the two weapons that i used to beat the base game) and also has batshit insane AR with fire
>>717876240
Strongest weapon in the game imo, if it was a Ultra it would be my main weapon
>>717879563
GOATed for sl1 runs, still great otherwise

>>717848398

I went all the way to the DLC with it. Did I beat the game

This is the upgrade.

>>717880317
This was retarded as fuck.

>shaped like a spear
>is actually a giant fuckoff railgun

>ctrl + f "banished"
>0 of 0
fuckers

>>717886852
It's a shorter Knight's Greatsword that doesn't look as cool.

>>717886884
slightly beefier physical stats and has a better looking scabbard

>>717886968
longer reach > more damage END OF STORY also the scabbard is a bit better yeah...

>>717886884
The Knight's Greatsword would be the best looking weapon in the game if it didn't have that fucking crossbar thing, what the fuck were they thinking

>>717847904 (OP)
parrybait

>>717886852
best looking greatsword honestly

>>717849560
I wish dead angle was still a thing.

>>717887812
I like it for the same reason I like the Black Knight's Sword in Dark Souls 1/3: you're using a really fucking big guy's straight sword as a greatsword

>>717861985
Exactly retard. You don't hate it because its bad, you hate it because its good enough to carry the average player through the entire game while ignoring all the other shit you're emotionally invested in

>>717861772
It's a noob magnet because it's a Curved Greatsword that inflicts bleed and is upgraded with somber stones (you can very nearly max it out without even hitting the Altus Plateau if you're following Ranni's questline and exploring the Nok cities) that can be had almost immediately after starting.

>>717876240
>>717877434
blasphemous blade made me stop playing the game
>struggling to get cool spells and interesting weapons
>eventually get this
>invalidates all my moveset with the comically op skill
i just got so bored. im about to give the game another chance hope i get some cooler weapons this time around

>>717876240
how did frick take 0 damage from the riposte?

>>717888301
Host already dead

>>717888261
Give zweihander lightning strike a chance, its fun

the absolute state of contemporany youtube
>>717888338
i see, i didnt know you gained immunity after that
i thought it was like in other souls games where you could keep killing others

The R2 gives boner.

>>717847904 (OP)
>speedrun weapon

>>717888717
not the iron balls/star fists.

>>717888301
It's not >>717888338
It's because of latency. Even though they crouched to cancel the recovery frames of the greatsword R2, they were actually too late for the riposte, but it still plays the animation. It happens occasionally.

>>717888554
this thing with Stormcaller is massively underrated in invasions
the R2 rollcatches perfectly if they mash roll after getting stunlocked by the first swings of the ash, and if you frost infuse it those and the R2 probably proc frostbite, it's like 1400 damage if they chase you around a corner and you catch them in the tornado

>>717890516
based

>>717890516
>>717890575
Tons of common weapons with custom ashes are strong as fuck and underrated, the majority of people get charmed by unique weapons with fixed ashes and never truly experience Elden Ring's strongest game mechanic.

>>717847904 (OP)
Troonhound's Fang

I miss my beloved so much, why didn't you bring her back, Zaki..

>>717849156
I really miss weapon progression in Elden Ring. A lot of the weapons you could get were cool, but I never saw a reason to switch. Too many resources to see how things line up.

>>717890516
Stormcaller is just a fucking beautiful AoW overall. I fucking loved going an entire run with it on a cold scythe, from the start of the game to the end of the DLC.
I pussied out and used a greatshield for guard counter spamming against Radahn though

>causes bleed
>has hidden life-steal effect
>takes normal smithing stones
>can be infused with ashes of war
>can be buffed

>>717880317
> late into the DLC

you can rush straight there killing litterally nothing and farm it as soon as you enter DLC. You will break Miquella’s great rune, but that doesn’t actually make you lose acsess to any items except Dragon Roofies if you want a useless spirit ash and pointless spell instead of a good weapon and dragon transformation.

>>717847904 (OP)
I used mace then morning star and when I got golem's halberd I rocked it the entire game on the first playthrough

>>717894143
Great stars carried me on my level 1, no upgrades run.
Fucking love that thing.

>>717886852
I have only got one of these things to drop after playing through the game on 4 characters.
Great weapon though.

>>717860498
Pic related.
>Awesome moveset
>Amazing ash of war
>Great scaling
>You can fucking teleport

>>717850394
It's annoying how some of the weapons in this game are really cool but they're so good they trivialize everything. Blasphemous Blade is the worst example. Something like Messmer's spear or Dragon King's Cragblade are better, still really cool and strong enough to use (although Cragblade could be a bit better) but not so strong they ruin the game, or make it so you can't press L2 if you want to actually fight the boss. As a matter of fact I used Blasphemous Blade to skip bosses I don't like, I have never beaten Godskin Duo without melting them in under 30 seconds.

I prefer odachi
I wish I was playing nioh instead

>>717863062
picrel is stronger than scarlet rot for some reason
Completely useless against common mobs but has some potential against bosses, I tried it against Mohg and it was actually very useful.

>>717886667
They did it twice
It was a thing of beauty before the nerf. I'd use it on mage gankers who stood in the middle of fields. Could oneshot viglets without needing to build for it, just by popping on Godfrey icon and shard of Alexander.

>>717888378
I think they've made YouTube purposefully worse, as in giving less pleasing recommendations, to make people more addicted. They browse for longer because they aren't satisfied. Fuck Jewgle.

>>717894143
this with prayerful strike is fun

>>717895090
>tfw no moonlit snow redux

I have been trying to refine a proper and consistent weapon ranking criteria and since the thread is up I want to know what you all think.
Overall the primary factors that you can rate a weapon on how good it is are
>Availability
How early in the game is the weapon available, how hard is it to get, do you need to grind for it and if so what's the drop rate?
>Stat Investment
How many levels do you need to put into certain stats to use it and how spread is the stat split, this is also where you factor in weight and having enough carry weight is an investment
>Scaling
How well does the weapon scale when built for and ow many different builds can the weapon be used for effectively.
>Moveset
How good is a weapons move set across multiple scenarios (Standard weapons have a massive advantage due to modular AoWs) and how simple is it to use the weapon effectively (can be split into PvE and PvP)
>Utility
How useful is the weapon as part of a overall toolkit, and does it have any niche aspects that help at various parts of the game?

>>717847904 (OP)
Wouldn't know, I only ever use the Broadsword and nothing but the Broadsword.

>>717888943
That’s a no-hit weapon. No one uses those in Speedruns because upgrading a smithing stone weapon takes way too long. Speedruns use Bloodhound, Deaths Poker, or Serpent Hunter.

>>717896629

Also I weight the aspects differently with Moveset, Scaling, Availability, Investment, Utility being take into account in that order, i don't have exact weights for each category yet though
So for example the Bloodhound Fang
I would give it
>Availability
9/10,
Available at the very start of the game by having Blaidd do the fight for you without having to leave Limgrave, only not a 10/10 because you cannot start with it.
>Stat Investment
7/10
Of the starting classes for most of them its going to take 6 levels to two hand via a point or two of strength and the dex tax it and 10+ levels to one hand it.
The exceptions are vagabond (4 points to two hand, 8 to one hand and samurai (2 points to two hand, 8 to one hand) starts where you can make that easy, also of note is the warrior that takes only 3 points to two hand but 11 for one hand. However this early on in the game its not that big of a deal. But it also suffers from a moderate Strength Investment for less payoff
It also weights 11.5 meanign that you may need to invest some points into Carry Weight for armor more so if your two handing it.
>Scaling
8/10
Its Dex weapon with viable strength as a secondary stat, and bleed for use arcane builds, but mainly the weapon will draw you into dex builds due to the higher up from quality costs lowering the pull for arcane. It cannot be infused but the core stats are overall solid for most builds
>Moveset
8/10
The curved greatsword moveset is generally good thanks to ERs wide open environments for the most part leading to less situations where you bounce off a wall while swinging and more groups of enemies. Also you can R1 and Jump through he game with it. However its AoW can't be changed and is outpaced later but is still overall decent. Also the aforementioned in the thread Jumping attack bonus is always nice.
>Utility
6/10
Its a great Main Weapon that can carry you through the game but its really just a weapon
Overall
8/10

Any feedback or things I'm missing?

Haven't played since release and feel like doing a faith run. What are some solid weapons to look out for early game?

>>717897285
erdsteel dagger from kenneth, it has innate faith scaling and can be infused, which gives it the best dagger dps in the game. Also has good double hit r2s
treespear is in the path between liurnia and limgrave, it has innate faith and can be buffed, but not infused. Also has a good double hit r2
get the sacred blade ash in eastern limgrave, it's the only early faith ash and is generally good on anything
otherwise just any generic weapon you like can be infused and work well

>>717897285
Get the Sacred blade Ash of War from the scarab up the hill from the first church.
It allows you to give any normal weapon faith scaling and it doubles and a ranged energy slash that also buffs your weapon with holy.
Beyond that there is the Winged Scythe down on the Weeping Peninsula with is a Dex/Faith weapon with bleed and a Unique Ash of War

>>717897285
Erdsteel Dagger, it keeps it's Faith scaling on infusion. otherwise just grab your favorite low req weapon and slap the Sacred Blade AoW on it. also grab the Whetblade from Redmane castle before triggering the Radahn festival so you can use the Flame Art affinity for your physical ashes.

>>717895232
That’s a misconception.

Default Poison does 6.3% +630 over 90 seconds

“Deadly” poison does 4.2% +420 over 30 seconds

Perfume Spraymist does 6.3% +630 over 30 seconds.

Weak Scarlet Rot does 16.2% +1350 over 90 seconds

Strong Scarlet Rot does 29.7% +1170 over 90 seconds. So assuming target has at least

Rot Dog spirit ash does 59.4% +2340 over 180 seconds.

So assuming target has at least ~7400 hp then a single Strong Rot proc will out damage 3 perfume poisons in a row. While also having advantage of only needing to be procced once instead of 3 times (with increasing resistance each time), but also far easier methods of applying.

And if you can manage the summon in the Rot Dog and let him get the proc, the boss is sentenced to lose at least 2/3rds of its hp. A single proc straight up kills many early to mid game bosses.

>>717897585
>>717897630
>>717897638
Thanks lads, some solid looking options.

>>717897791
What ways are there the get the strong form of scarlet rot on the player side?

>>717897972
hefty rot pots

>>717898078
Thanks, Is that the only one and does it scale with the Pot buffs.

>>717898169
It's the only one
No, pot buffs buff only normal damage types and not status, it's a bit wack that the hefty frost pots behave the same as the regular ones(just a larger radius while the frost doesn't fuck up resistances more)

>>717898574
Thanks again anon

>the shredder

>>717848398
>Great when you get it
>Great scaling for your first NG cycle
>DEX focus allows you to get other stats like Vigor and Endurance up
>Somber weapon so it isn't a liver punch to upgrade
>Good AoW
>Just keeps getting better and better as Blood Grease, Bloodflame and proc on bleed items unlock
It's basically ER's Black Knight Halberd/GS-

It's just so comfortable and fun to play with.

in an organic playthrough im sure every player has come across a cheese weapon to abuse - just like OP's curved sword. I got the reduvia dagger, and I could kill bosses just by wittling them down with the ranged attack as the boss walks towards you (which they very often do). Also used a night's flail for more stagger and infused with cold, then switched the Morgot sword then meme blood katana.

>>717898851
Not a particular weapon, but an ENTIRE weapon class. Great Hammers have been the best weapon since the game launched I swear.

One of my great hopes when Tarnished edition comes out is the potential to the DLC weapon types before accessing the DLC especially this thing.

>>717899073
just cheat it in
the person that placed it in the DLC disrespected all the others that made the moveset, damage formulas etc. by putting it way the fuck in there

Never used it.
On my first play-through I mainly used Ruins Greatsword and the heaviest armor available.
Second playthrough was hooked claws with occult infusion into the bird claws once I got them, always light armor class and dragon incantations for range and blunt damage.
Third playthrough was the Crucible knight roleplay, with Ordovis's Greatsword for funny stunlocks. But I quit midway because I got bored and it was too similar to my first run.
My forth run is sorcerer and I'm pissed I have not good counter to runebears. Cristal release sometimes does it, but is risky.

>>717899276
Cheating things in takes away from the actual playing of the game.
Do I want to use the DLC weapons on NG? Yes
Am I going to break the indented progression and break the first barrier between me and not putting any effort into playing the game anymore? No
Just cheating shit in negates the journey and I trust From to alter the game in a way that works more than me just cheating it in.

>>717898628
That anon is wrong.

The following are “strong” rot.

- Rot Breath incantation
- Ekzykes Decay incantation
- Scarlet Aeonia incantation
- Rotten Butterflies incantation
- Hefty Rot Pot throwable

>favorite weapon
>madness is useless against 99% of PVE enemies
FUCK

I need a weapon for my FTH build, but it can't be the following as I've already done playthroughs with them

>Colossal Sword (so no fire knight greatsword)
>Greatswords
>Curved swords/Dual curved swords
>Spears
>Katanas

Right now I'm looking at
>Double flameart Erdsteel daggers (g
>Hammers
>Great hammers
>Cipher pata/coded sword

Any recs?

>>717899747
>>Cipher pata/coded sword
Does anyone know if these are good/how they compare to normal longsword? ive been thinking of dual wielding those

>>717899747
imo for faith you want an un-infused weapon which you buff with an incantation
I may be wrong about this in the later stages of the game, maybe the base infusion is better then buffs at that point.
You can also consider the helberald you can get from the tree knight near the start. I found it pretty strong in the early game, if you an get the requirements to use it.

>>717899747
Coded Sword is good but Pata was never my thing thanks to the range, Any of the Envoy weapons are fun and have unique AoWs. Coming in Small (Hammer) Medium (Great Hammer) and Large (Colossal)
>>717899928
Both are Pure Holy and Ash's are as they say good for getting around blocking, both arts also have deceptively long range with Cipher beign a thrust and Coded being a slash. Their biggest weakness is that the majority of endgame bosses are resistant to holy meaning that your going to need to rely on incantations or switch to a Flame Art weapon to not suffer.
Also as your going full in to faith they serve more as sidearms for incantation casters than standalone weapons.

>>717899739
>madness is useless in PvE
Seriously? I'm the Faith anon above and I wanted to do frenzy shit, what the fuck.

>>717900163
i always find weapon buffs to be underwhelming, unless it has a special property like cragblade (added stagger) or DMGS (frost beams). But FTH does get all the body/aura/healing buffs which are great when stacked

>>717900836
Yeah madness and deathblight both only effect NPC style enemies in PvE and Players in PvP. Outside of that Vyke's War Spear is a Dex/Fth weapon with split Physical/Fire Damage a Pure Physical Str Shield, and Str-Dex-Int-Fth Seal, Fire Perfume, and Physical/Fire Fist Weapons.

>>717852538
>Baldur Side sword
A shitty meme sword that Epic Name Bro popularized, because he's kind of a dunce and thought that shitty sword was good.

>>717901373
It's an amazing DEX weapon with high reach, high scaling, low weight and a fantastic moveset, your e-celeb faggotry has little to do with its fame.

>>717847904 (OP)
I know you guys don't use twitch. But that weapon is used by half of all Elden Ring streamers, it's insane.
This one time, I encountered a new player who never played a souls game before. She was accepting help, so I was giving tips and stuff. And I basically told her that she can play with any weapon except for the bloodhound fang. She asks why, I and told her that everyone is using it, so it's boring to watch. Some other people in chat were hyping the shit out of it. But she agrees with me, and promises not to use it.

Shortly after she finds the sword, and equips it to "test it out". And I'm like, "hey now, you promised you wouldn't use the word", and she's like "I know, I just want to see how it works". Hours later, she's still using the sword.

Fast forward to another day, and I check on her stream. She's STILL using the sword. I didn't even mention it that time, I just put the stream in the background, and disengage, because I don't want to be a bother. If I say anything, it's going to be to nag about the sword, and I don't want to be a nag. So I lurk.
The next day, she's STILL using the sword, so I just unfollow. Dumb bitch broke her promise.

>>717849156
>Upgrading a regular weapon to +5 (which you can do by spending a couple thousand souls at Andre, like 5 mins after Drake Sword)
The Drake Sword was the go-to because pre-update 1.5, as in the version of the game that predates the PC release, and was only ever seen by console players, weapon upgrading and scaling was fucking abysmal. The Claymore in the current version of the game upgraded to +5 does 154 damage, plus the bonus damage when two-handed. Before 1.5, upgrading it barely increased it to around 120 damage.

Other factors leading to the prevalence of the Drake Sword were

>Weapons across the board had pitiful stat scaling, very few were higher than C, almost none were A
>Upgrading items was ridiculously expensive
>Upgrade drops from enemies were ridiculously rare

There's a reason the Drake Sword was only dropped by the time the player got to Sen's Fortress and found the Lightning Spear, it was the only real cheap upgrade over the Drake Sword. And then when you finally got the resources to upgrade your shit, people would make lightning versions of weapons they actually liked.

>>717901973
This, the game was different back then.

>>717902075
It's kind of funny to me how "you didn't beat the game" is thrown around so much and yet pre-1.5 Dark Souls is never brought up. The game was fucking insane prior to these changes, it was basically impossible to get more Humanity outside of the preset world drops. Bosses didn't even give you any upon killing them.

>>717900836
It only works on NPCs, so stuff like Tarnished Hunter Anastasia, Gideon, etc. and it doesn't work on 99.9% of the enemies in the game.

So, what's the deal with the Tarnished Edition, is it a rerelease only for tendies?

>>717902075
>iron flesh effectiveness reduced
pour one out

>>717902892
Completely forgot Iron Flesh used to make you borderline invincible.

>>717900836
The frenzy spells are still some of the highest DPS spells in the game, and some of the madness exclusive weapons have amazing ash of war's don't let them discourage you anon.

>>717904423
This

Sniping niggers with the eye beams will never get old.

>>717899739
Madness builds are peak aesthetic though. Nobody picks Frenzied Flame because it's optimal - they pick it because they want to scream lasers out of their eyes and watch the world burn. PvE viability be damned, I'm going full yellow eye and incinerating Albinaurics in style.

>>717902697
>ELDEN RING Tarnished Edition is an all-in-one version that includes the base game ELDEN RING as well as the major downloadable content ELDEN RING SHADOW OF THE ERDTREE.
>The title will also feature new armor, weapons and customization features for Torrent’s appearance. ELDEN RING Tarnished Edition is slated for release in 2025 on Nintendo Switch 2.
>The additional content in the title will also be available on other platforms.
might be free or might be a $10 DLC, not sure
can they charge tendies $100 for the whole thing? maybe

>>717905339
Nice, I don't want to buy the fucking game again for some shit horse armor, but I don't give a shit about tendies

>>717899739
install The Convergence mod and have fun

>>717899739
>>717900836
>>717905087
>>717901192
>>717902614
>>717904423
>>717904598
install The Convergence mod and have fun, Frenzy now affects all enemies.

>>717903808
>>717902075
Gotta fire up my PS3 copy with no patches one of these days

has nightreign been torn apart by modders yet? probably thats when I'll pick it up.

>>717856016
thanks grok

>>717907215
>torn apart
For what? It's mp game centered around reused assets.
Most you'll get are ports of movesets into base ER

>>717849156
>drake sword was better until you hit +6
how is it a trap, then? that's halfway through the game.
you'll definitely have multiple weapons by that point anyway be swimming in souls, comparatively speaking

>>717907547
Not that anon, but you can buy Shards from Andre that'll get your weapon to +5 like ten minutes after Drake Sword, so it's basically obsolete by the time you get it, not midgame. If you've caught Crystal Lizards its obsolete by the time you're at Andre.

Furthermore, if you keep using it you'll likely upgrade it, which costs 10 000 souls per level. For reference, that's one bosses worth of souls (bell gargoyles). Its an almost-instantly obsolete sword that'll set you back if you upgrade it. Its a fun power boost for Undead Parish, but that's about it.

>>717895014
The gargoyle’s black blade is fucking insane but no one but me used it because it’s worse than the blasphemous blade.

>>717907434
actual randomness and not map seeds, backported weapons/enemies from other from shit, map mods.

>>717899073
I want an alternate dlc start

>>717907941
you probably won't upgrade it. the upgrade items for it are too rare and come comparatively late. isn't the absolute earliest at the bonfire just before quelaag? 10k is not as much when you get to sen's fortress as it was when you fight gargoyles.

>>717908676
Not gonna happen.

DLC story absolutely requires Radahn and Mohg dead to make sense. And they are only pre-requisites. If you’re skilled (or overpowered) enough, you can acsess DLC within an hour of starting new character, and you need to kill a total of 2 enemies, Radahn and Mohg.

>>717849156
>There is never a situation where a different Curved Greatsword is better, assuming you want physical damage.
The Dismounter and Morgott's swords are both better curved greatswords.

>>717901373
Any poke weapon is at least A tier in DS1 because you're stuck in hallways most of the game.

>>717852749
The Omen Cleaver is a gimmick.
Its shorter than even your dick and doesn't shit out ridiculous damage for it like the Ruin's Greatsword does.
There's basically no reason to ever use it compared to other CGS.

>>717857261
The Smithing Stone system is utter dogshit if you're using more than 1-2 weapons for absolutely no reason.
You only find Stone Bell Bearings after you'd want them. Or have to make huge unalterable story progress to get them.

>>717905668
hideous turbo tranny

>>717849279
I hate using greases because they always run out at the least convenient times.

>>717854323
The unbuffed R2 is the worst moveset on any 'good' weapon in the game.
>it should always be buffed
Yeah, yeah, sure.

>>717909498
The nightlord being dead caused time shenanigans to occur

>>717856854
I think he's talking about smithing stones, because regular weapons are a meme for the first half of the game. The balance in upgrades is so heavily skewed towards somber that it's absurd, and that's just for a casual run where you don't break the game by getting a +9 somber before Margit

>>717860498
I love the skill you get with the Sword Spear, the weapon itself is mid, but the skill is one of the most fun in the game.
Rennala's Staff is also just the best general INT build staff in the game, so it is almost a default grab.
Radahn's Great Bow is extremely useful because it has insane range with his special arrows. If an enemy is rendered in the game, you can reach it with Radahn's Bow and kill it.

>>717899747
Double lightning Noble Straight Swords

>>717897285
If you are good enough to rush Radahn, after beating him you can get the Fire Whetblade and put Flame Art scaling on anything.
Holy Damage is kinda shit.

>>717901973
>>very few were higher than C, almost none were A
what were they actually thinking with this game? and why did the patch so completely gut this vision? WAS it a vision or just retarded mistakes accumulated?

i had a dream there was a nightreign content patch with all new nightreign exclusive weapons, only a few here and there in existing categories + one new weapon category just for NR.

>>717899928
The sword has a very good ash.

>>717899928
>pata
L2 is just impaling thrust, but better, that's pretty much the most remarkable thing about it. Good, but boring.
>sword
I mean... it's a sword. You R1. You R2. You L2, but it's a big sweep that hits in an arc in front of you and does respectable poise and stance damage.

>>717912038

>>717912479
Probably an issue of the playtesters being too familiar with the game and being too good at it.
Back in the day, one of the many random PS2 games I acquired was Driver. It is a pretty standard decent racing action game. The problem was that the tutorial you had to beat to start the campaign was literally harder than any level in the game and absolutely stonewalled me.
It turns out from some developer interviews that they had all been playing their game in development so much that they were all masters at it and never realized that the tutorial they were making was almost impossible for a racing game noob without tons of practice.

I can see the same with DS1.
The playtesters were all people that were very good at the game and they didn't need good scalings or much humanity to slam through the campaign. So the devs never saw the necessity of putting that all in.
Then when a wider audience got a hold of it, and the skill gap was made obvious, some hotfixes had to be made to rebalance things.

Delete bleed
Delete frost

>>717894897
I always beeline it in Stormveil just because it's THAT good of a greatsword

The dogshit weapon upgrade system incentivizes people to sit on one weapon forever. I'm doing a 100% exploration run on a dex build just so I could try a bunch of different weapons but after the very early starter area there isn't enough upgrade materials in the game to keep new ones at pace so I can try them against at-level mobs.
I try rapier, whip, and uchigatana and it feels like shit because my guardian swordspear and nightrider flail are already 4+. I know they would be good if I had enough smithing stones to level them but it causes every new weapon to leave a bad first impression or to be leveled blindly.

>>717847904 (OP)
This game is so fucking boring it killed my interest in souls games permanently. Imagine changing absolutely fucking nothing for the better since 2010, keeping the same retarded press R1 and circle combat, the same shitty P2P netcode, the same NPCs which do absolutely nothing in the world, etc... But hey, you can jump now!

>>717917224
Iji sells unlimited somber 1 and 2 which are good enough for all of limgrave, liurnia, and even caelid in the hands of a patient player. if you felt "encouraged" to stick to one weapon it's a skill issue. the skill is observation.

>>717917275
ChatGPT

>>717860498
>wats ur guys favorite boss weapon


Only one I ever used.

I'm not giving a cent to PSN, are co-op, pvp, and mods fun enough to be worth re-buying the game on PC? The original copy was a gift.

>>717860719
Do any other weapons have something like this

What's with the FTH build shilling itt? Ain't faith the most boring playthroughs?

Godslayer's Greatsword

>>717917898
Damn its good enough for the places I've already cleared. Thanks o' master of observation.

>>717899747
>>Double flameart Erdsteel daggers
Powerstanced daggers are so so unless you use Endure/Quicksteps.
Erdsteel Daggers with Flame Art shit out damage though and legitimately melt things if you pair them with Millicent's Prosthesis/RSI, they'll serve you well against anything that isn't Mohg or the Fire Giant.
>>Hammers
The Monk's Flamemace is okay-ish for FTH builds, Marika's Hammer is the go to but you can only get it after beating Radagon so it's kind of dubious in terms of actual use.
The Envoy's Horn is very underrated though and a very versatile FTH weapon outside of its shit melee range, I recommend getting one.
>>Great hammers
Beastclaw is good for FTH, Envoy's Long Horn got nerfed hard but it's still a passable stick, an infused Pickaxe is probably your best bet though.
Cranial Vessel is busted against anything weak to fire though and the weapon art can shred if used point blank.
>>Cipher pata/coded sword
Coded Sword is possibly the GOAT FTH weapon imo, but it's also pure Holy damage which will backfire against some lategame bosses.

Some personal FTH focused suggestions:
>Flame Art/Sacred Dryleaf Arts
>Sword of Light+Sword of Darkness powerstance
>Flame Art/Sacred Rogier's Rapier
>Flame Art/Sacred Queelign's GS/Godskin Stitcher
>Euporia
>Death Knight weapons
>>717910961
Omen cleaver is the fourth longest GCS and it has the single best elemental scaling of all of them on top of higher poise MV on its R2s

>>717847904 (OP)
it's really not that dangerous

>>717918770
Fth has the coolest spell pool in all of video games

>>717918770
Incantations are extremely fun and you have a lot of diversity in what you use and how.
Putting points into faith lets you use the most interesting and unique weapons or spells in the game overall.
Arcane builds are all the same because they're only good for Bleed and Spectral Lance. Maybe you do something with the telepathic swords, but they get mediocre scalings.
Sorcery is good for damage, but almost every good sorcery is some kind of blue laser so it is very samey over time. The gravity spells kinda suck, outside of Rock Throw for early game stuff.

>>717917224
not only iji sells unlimited 1 and 2 tier stones, the bell that gives the twin hags the same stones is literally on the other side of the lake
your 100% is working at half capacity, anon

>>717918770
Incantations are fun as fuck and you got very good versatility with FTH/ARC and FTH/INT builds.
FTH weapons tend to be very strong and the fact that there's strong hybridization with both ARC and INT on top of STR makes FTH a very interesting option.
But really though, the spells are just that fun, you can do wild shit like webm related.

>>717849380
Yes although the zweihander in elden ring is also still extremely good, only held back by not being somber

For me it's the Greataxe combined with axe and roar talisman for the super early game charged R2 that chunk bosses health in half.
Super good early game and scales well throughout the entire game.
Way more fun and unique learning proper charged R2 gameplay instead of just spamming R1s.

Then once you beat the game its all about Godfreys axe for the most fun weapon in any Souls like game.

>>717919076
did you happen to observe that the monsters respawn when you sit at the site of grace? this should provide you with plenty of realistic training to try a wide variety of weapons at low level, even if you "cleared" those areas (not likely imo that a new player has cleared raya lucaria by the time they find iji, but ymmv)

>>717919302
Maybe I should have posted that I literally just finished Weeping Peninsula. At this point, the average normalfag has already put all their available smithing stones into bhcgs and will be using it for the majority of the game with no incentive to ever swap.

>>717919158
They look cool but they arent as fun as int just because none of them combo as seamelessly as all the carian sword sorceries+gavel of haima
Morgotts spectral weapon things should have been faith spells

>>717919158
This
Unendurable frenzy is a personal favorite

>>717899747
Great Stars with prayerful strike is all you need
Malikeths UGS is great, and the HP debuff passive stacks with his own spell so get them both

>>717919181
>Arcane builds are all the same because they're only good for Bleed and Spectral Lance. Maybe you do something with the telepathic swords, but they get mediocre scalings
You're forgetting the Dragon Breathes.

>>717919672
Catch flame is just a better version of carian slicer

>>717918770
Incantations also cover Pyromancies along with Miracles in Elden Ring so it ends up a pretty damn diverse spell pool.

>>717919628
Use your observation haki to properly observe the point of the post next time.

It's a shame that everyone does bloodhound fang for their early somber weapon when the golden halberd is cooler. I guess people just don't want to fight the tree sentinel

>>717919740
They don't need much Arc. I think the most that isn't a Bayle drop needs like 18 ARC. Which is trivial to get on a Faith build in passing.
You wouldn't go heavy into Arcane to use the Dragon spells. You'd just toss a few points that way on a Faith build.

>>717919871
It weights like 4 times as much...

>>717919871
Golden Halberd requires a pretty nutty investment for how potentially early you can get it.

>>717919950
Worth it

>>717902892
>>717903808
Iron Flesh still trivializes the game

>>717919181
>Arcane builds are all the same because they're only good for Bleed and Spectral Lance. Maybe you do something with the telepathic swords, but they get mediocre scalings.
i use ore greatsword with poison antspur in off-hand. millie's, rsi, rot exult, alexander shard. you poke until both statuses proc then use the ore sword weapon art with insane buff.

>>717920049
Just two hand it. The dex and faith requirements are nothing.

>>717919672
This is wrong, all repeater spells like bestial sling or Bloodflame Talons combo into other spells just like sorceries with that mechanic, things like Bloodflame Talons even have true combos into other incants for PvP

>Dragon Boner Smasher
>Claymore
>The undead king's sword, forgot its name
>crucifix of the mad king
>bloodhunter saif
>Twin peeler
Favorite weapons in those games

>>717919181
I have literally never used whatever dogshit AoW Spectral Lance is, Dragonmaw and Dragonclaw all fucking day BABYYYYYYYYY

>>717920238
Spectral Lance is really, really good, it deals a fuckton of poise damage and has more or less infinite range.

>>717920049
20 str for two hand, 14 dex and 12 faith can be reached with less than 15 levels for most classes and just ten for confessor and vagabond

>>717920238
>dogshit AoW Spectral Lance is
It's good for dragons since you can aim at their heads with good tracking and it gets the bonus damage for hitting their heads.

shame that pic rel is destined to always be overshadowed by the moonlight gs

>>717920164
A small faith dip is honestly a good idea for every player unless you're actually speedrunning

>>717920373
Its twin death gs is cooler

>>717920373
I remember finding that thing after already getting the DMGS and realizing it was a DMGS for people that weren't doing Ranni's questline. Or something tossed in to power-stance with the DMGS.

>>717920373
It's a good damage stick but doesn't really have going for it.
MLGS does more damage, more poise damage and has unique R2s, the poking stick does comparable damage but has a much better weapon art and unique R2s, it's just the Onyx Blade again but without the original Claymore moveset, which puts it in an awkward position.

>>717847904 (OP)
>Want to replay Elden Ring
>Open world is now more of a chore than anything else with 95% of locations being totally meaningless if you know what you want to build
>Too many of the cool weapons come so late that they're functionally pointless
>DLC is annoying as fuck to do if you want to actually do most of the quests
Is it unironically time to install some kind of randomizer?

>Can be picked within an hour of starting the game.
>Versatile move set for any situation.
>One of the best ashes of war for staggering and damage.
>Carrys your RL1 run with it's basic requirements
For me it's the Claymore.

>>717920742
Claymore has always just been the zwei for trannies

>>717920373
I actually find this weapon to be exceptionally ugly.

>>717920682
that tends to happen after your 4th run in a game as xboxhueg as this

>>717920742
I've used Knight's Greatsword and the Bloody Helice on my RL01 playthrough. I like Knight's Greatsword's moveset a lot more than the basic Claymore one.

>>717920049
I think it's intentional. Pretty much every scrap you get on the way to Margit is cursed in some way.
>get a somber weapon, but it's the one with the highest requirements in Limgrave
>get a smithing stone, but just one so you can't upgrade your weapon
>get a talisman, but it's basically useless until Stormveil (fire resistance)
>get an ash of war, but it's useless in PvE
>get a summon, but you can't use it yet
>get a physick tear, but you can't use it yet
The only actual good thing on the way to Margit is the golden seed, which can actually be used even if you took one as your starting gift. Every other item is a monkey's paw designed to give you a taste of better items you'd get if you explored more.

>>717920373
Just powerstance the two like that one guy from the thread the other day who killed Moore’s bug friend

>>717920682
>>717920961
The mod that should exist is one that dramatically compresses weapon levels and/or makes it so that weapons you find are pre-upgraded as per the location you find them in.

>>717921012
Roar Medallion chads stay winning

>>717921012
There's like 3 more smithing stones ten feet off the road to margit, but I agree with the rest

>>717920682
>Randomizer mod
>Wretch start
>Use whatever you find
Could actually be fun

>Finally, if you plan on going back online, make sure you use restore a save file from before you started using mods, or else you will definitely get banned! Some launchers will handle this for you, so see their documentation if this is the case. Otherwise, randomizer creates a save file backup when it first does randomization, so browse C:\Users\<user name>\AppData\Roaming\EldenRing\<save id> from local disk. The file to restore is ER0000.sl2, the randomizer's default backup name is ER0000.sl2.randobak.

Okay, nevermind. I am not gonna use a randomizer if it is gonna ban me lmao.

>>717854323
...AND her hot cousin, >>717920373
>>717911454
Skill issue.

>>717920830
Based. FUCK greatswords in general. The colossal sword moveset is way better.

>>717924494
The zwei is the UGS for fags
Either you use one of the 50str ones or you're gay

>>717924575
chaddest UGS coming through

>>717924575
No those look stupid. Besides, STR maxing with a heavy zwei is also a fantastic option given the zwei's superior moveset and relatively light weight. You give up like 10% damage to be able to wear a TON more armor.

>>717924802
That's what I actually use
Too bad the split scaling and the WA are kinda shit, I was hoping there was a "restored" version of it in the DLC

>>717924802
This is sexy but the WA is kinda shit

>>717924575
If you're gonna use a fuckhueg anime weapon you might as well unga bunga with colossals at that point

>>717879467
>parry bait the weapon

>>717854323
I love lasers
unleashing a point blank fuck you blast is so good and you can also use it at range for dealing with annoying enemies
It's astonishing how fun this is when the the moonlight sword was shit throughout the entire souls series because of durability, the second you remove durability it became fun

>>717847904 (OP)
>somber
>buffable
>innate bleed
>great skill for exploiting npc ai
>all CGS benefits, like stagger and moveset
>can get it in like 10 minutes
Then you get curbstomped by an invader who has fought BHF L2 spam a million times

>>717925450
I miss the BB MLGS thrust and the charged R2s from DS2 though, ER MLGS is busted statistically but it's very boring to actually use

Yep it's gaming time

Does Carian slicer/greatsword counts as a weapon?
I dont actually use weapons.
Just magic

>>717928490
What about you wife's sword.

>>717847904 (OP)
>>717854323
>>717920373

PVP chad here

All these weapons are noobtard scrub traps for people who don't want to play the game. I always rape PVE shitters who use these weapons because they are trash at PVP. It doesn't help that the type of people who main these weapons are low IQ scrubs who just smash R2 because how braindead their ashes of war are.
Listen to a PVP chad like me and do not use these noobtard weapons or I will invade you and own you for being a PVE shitter.

>>717925450
I always find the sword waves fall short of where I actually want them to go, the visual effect is misleading

>>717920682
The Convergence Mod is a pretty good one for replayability.
Remixes some aspect of the game, like fixing Smithing Stones. But also gives you class quests where you focus more on getting all the themed armor and weapons and spells for a certain class type over just running through the game.

>>717928838
I play this game without multiplayer thougheveritmaybe

>>717928838
Why do they PVP players act like this?

>>717879467
fuck i miss this one, what a sexy moveset

>>717879467
Never before did I think poledancing swordsmen would kick ass

>>717894143
>Cold Great Stars with Wild Swing

>>717928838
How will you invade me if I don't summon?

>>717929346
cold anything
i love frost so much, mini bleed proc + defense down, quick to proc and you can reset it with literally any fire damage