Thread 717947057

>$30 for an HD graphics mod for a game that came out two decades ago

You're not actually going to buy this, right /v/?

yea. im gonna do it to enjoy the online multiplayer once more for a total of a week before it dies completely again. i love this game very much

>>717947057 (OP)
lol no but Ill put it on my wishlist like I am going to.

I was a big fan of this game when it released because there was nothing like it before. This game is responsible for introducing lots of people to 40k because there were simply no half decent 40k games before.
Nowadays, there are plenty, and I just don't play RTS games anymore. They were never fun in multiplayer, the autistic APM fest that they all devolve into is just not for me.

>>717947759
>complaining about apm in dow
wut

>>717947848
Complaining about APM in multiplayer RTS in general, that naturally applies to this game as well because...it's an RTS.

>>717947057 (OP)
idk dude I've never played it before. Is it good? Does is have a fun solo campaign or is it only really for mp?

Did the balance the game at all? It realy needs balance patches for specific expansions.

>>717947964
dont think you played dow much

>>717947969
The campaigns in the base game and the 1st expansion are fun. DC and SS campaigns are Total War-esque but meh.

>>717947969
first two campaigns are good, second is best. third campaign is decent and a lot of people really like it but also most of it is glorified skirmish mode. fourth is metal boxes
>>717948016
its more fun unbalanced. this is a game for 5v5s not 1on1s.

>>717947057 (OP)
First of all, you filthy fucking peasant, it's only $20 for me and everyone else who has the old version. If you don't own DoW 1 for 10+ years don't even talk to me and go back to your shooty-gook games.
And second, yeah I'm gonna buy it. Apocalypse mod matches will finally work without crashing. Allegedly they've fixed the pathfinding too to a degree, that was the biggest problem during the stronghold missions that typically required navigating through corridors (looking at you, Dark Crusade Necron stronghold).

>>717948132
>this is a game for 5v5s not 1on1s.
its not, its built for 1v1

>>717947969
I've only ever played the Dark Crusade and Soulstorm campaigns, which is basically just a series of skirmishes where you conquer territory, except for the the main faction's strongholds that have special scripts and some flavor. The Dark Crusade one is pretty fun, the Soulstorm one is a bit of a slog but I still enjoy it. Well worth the 30 bucks if you like RTS at all imo.

>>717948032
Nigga, please. You're not seriously going to argue that this particular RTS is somehow an exception to the autistic clicking competition APM fest that every game in the genre devolves into.

>>717947057 (OP)
If it say Warhammer then they already have my money, simple as. Except that Age of Smegma crap, miss me with that shit no cap.

>>717948032
See you later in the ladder when I brutally rape you as Eldar while you take breaks in-between the violation sessions to go online to rapidly oscillate between defending me by saying APM doesn't matter in Dawn of War and complaining about how something feels off about fighting high-end Eldar players.

>>717948347
yes. this rts in particular put effort into automating or reducing any benefit you would get from high apm. Resources are automated, units are grouped together and have a unit cap. Click all you want its not gonna magically give you more.

>>717948419
oh yea? try me son.

>>717948157
>Allegedly they've fixed the pathfinding
Their statement was actually
>We haven't touched pathfinding at all yet
Which I guess is kind of like "fixing pathfinding" (if you live in copelandia).

>>717948032
I don't think you know what APM is if you're implying it can't be discussed in DoW. Unless all you do is comp stomp on Easy

>>717947057 (OP)
$30 isn't a lot of money for me since I'm not a thirdie, and it'll be better than any new game coming out this year so why not?

>>717948347
Define clicking competition.
It's not a turn based game so your smooth surfaced brain does actually have to find some crevices and speed up on occasion. It's not anywhere near AOE2 or SC2 in terms of micro management though.
Engagements tend to last a little longer due to squad and cover mechanics, like Company of Heroes it's more about positioning than being an ATM god. This is even more true for factions like the Imperial Guard, perhaps less true for Dark Eldar that rely on hit-and-run.
If you can't handle DoW1's speed, RTS might just not be for you.

>>717948472
>this rts in particular put effort into automating or reducing any benefit you would get from high apm
I'm sorry
How do you get rescources?
You build nodes. You then research upgrades, then you upgrade each node...
*click all you want is not magically going to give you more*
Every fucking action you described requires clicking you fucking retard, so by your own description it does in fact reward higher APM. It's not Dota where literally everything is automated aside from the one unit you manage, that's why an RTS is you actual mongoloid

>>717948582
>We haven't touched pathfinding at all yet
Wrong. They've explicitly stated they have improved on the pathfinding. I doubt it's in a perfect state or anything, but just from the one gameplay footage they've released last week units do seem to get stuck less on obstacles.

>>717948697
>"it's not as fast as Starcraft 2 or AoE so therefore there is no APM and no clicking"
Wow, what an ironclad argument

>>717947057 (OP)
what is he screaming at?

>>717947057 (OP)
i hope i can play dark crusade multiplayer. i do not want to play soulstorm mp.

>>717948804
>Every fucking action you described requires clicking
And then there's this one motherfucker who wants his RTS to be an idler that plays itself.
40k: Gladius might be what you're looking for.

>>717947057 (OP)
only thing I care about is the minimap being fucked on widescreen
have they shown this fixed?

>>717947759
This whole reply chain is cope that you suck at one of the easiest RTS games to play. The game does several things differently that makes it easy to manage than its counterparts. If you can't keep up maybe it's time to move onto turn-based games.

>>717947057 (OP)
Meh, probably on a sale. I did enjoy this a lot when it came out, it was such a unique game and grew my interest in 40k. I still enjoy watching Indrid Casts for DoW2 Elite Mod matches since they are more entertaining battles. I do miss the base building aspect, seeing them dropped into the terrain was always cool

>>717948618
i think u r noob or are expecting the game to play itself if you think dow is apm intensive

>>717948804
APM complainers be like "building a building is too much work"

>>717949264
All I said is that multiplayer RTS is a clicking competition APM fest in every case, no exceptions, and that doesn't appeal to me.
Now I have an army of retards explaining to me that this game somehow is not like that (it is) and that I suck and I should not play RTSes (I said in the beginning that I won't).

So, really, it has been an amazing display of stupidity so far.

If the shit was free for old owners it would be good but it isnt so NAHHH
And man i really should play these but MANNNNNNN (i really dislike Vermintide shit poor mans l4d2 but somehow worse with endless microshit but i think i got the 2nd one for free and 1st one def so it ok i guess)

>>717949529
fps are also clicking competitions if you think about it...

>>717949529
>this game somehow is not like that and that I suck and I should not play RTSes
This is true

>>717947057 (OP)
Ill stop buying games I want to play when you stop being a bitch.

>>717947057 (OP)
I will play it but I won't buy it.

>>717947057 (OP)
>You're not actually going to buy this, right /v/?
I'd rather spit out 30 bucks for a demaster than $90 for some prime AAA sloppa at this point. Spent an unhealthy portion of my waking life playing modded Soulstorm on a shitty faptop. If you can run a single skirmish in UA with every single Baneblade variant on the field without imploding this would become my GOTY overnight. If it can't do that then it should be taken out the back and Old Yella'd.

>>717947057 (OP)
$30 is nothing to me

CHARGE THE ENEMY

>>717950268
alright there bezos

>>717947057 (OP)
Fuck no. Definition of a soulless AI cash grab. It adds nothing and at best the few "improvements" they've made should have been a free update to the anniversary edition.

>>717947057 (OP)
If it revitalizes MP scene for a few weeks, I'll buy it.

>>717950357
Better be careful or I'll buy you and force you to brush your teeth every day

>>717949668
Gladius is pretty fun if you like Civ. But then again, I don't think anyone ever asked for a 4x with the only win condition being grinding through a ton of Civ combat.

>>717951150
in the grim darkness of the 41s millenia.. . there is only war

i'm spending $20 to dab on shitters online to fuel my ego and there's NOTHING you can do about it

>>717948697
>take the oldcron pill
>can be methodical in your turtling that you aim for getting monolith restored to slowly win by rolling attrition
Any losses can be reimbursed through the resurrection orb or simply teleporting more in from across the map to make up the deficit. The squad cap is merely a guideline for the average Necron enjoyer.

Realized I pirated all of DoW decades ago, it was such a game that I hypnotized myself into legit owner of the game.

I just want modders to extract the widescreen hud and menu elements and implement it into the original games
this cashgrab is not worth anything else

CSM will look dope in HD

>>717952075
scratch that, I just looked at footage and this shit looks like ass, they DID NOT bother fixing the hud
https://youtu.be/9gV1AH4lga0?t=208
you can either either leave the 4:3 elements in the middle, or cut it in two
that's the laziest shit I've ever seen

Please tell me this also gives you the original version.
t. want them trading cards

>>717952363
Oh shit, that's why they showed us no HUD in the first trailer. That solution is hilariously bad.

wtf they removed the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>717952889
They put the AAAAAA back.

>>717953030
Yeah after everyone ripped them a new one for taking it out in the first place. Can't fix what was already perfect.

The more I look at it, the worse it gets. The skybox for DC's Necron stronghold is fucked too, the white part is supposed to be the cave entrance, towards the direction of your base, and now it's towards the Necron pyramids in the depths
Just how do they fuck these up

>>717953572
>crons no longer having their glow in the dark eyes
For what purpose?

>>717953572
is it supposed to look worse

>>717947057 (OP)
Christ no. Even if everything worked properly I played so much fucking DoW back in the day that I feel sick even thinking about playing it again, and Relic has made garbage for so long I don't want to support them with this shit

>>717953030
Good. Still, them taking it out in the first place is proof they don't know what they're doing.
Won't be supporting this garbage, sorry. Dow is one of my favorite games, but nah.
>>717953648
>>717953691
It's pure incompetence.

>>717953648
Warriors are basically automatons.
They literally lack the spark of conciousness.

>>717953648
Necrons got turned lame by the lore and Mechanicus. They are no longer soulless robot zombies, they can talk and sound like British soldiers in the 1800's.

I just wanted proper wide screen

The only ones complaining are turd worlders who bought the Anniversary edition for $2.99 during Steam sales.

It's a remaster, not a remake there's no point increasing system requirements beyond a baseline mid PC.

If they fixed some of the bugs and pathfinding issues this will be an instant buy.

I got the old version for like £5, so I'll happily pay £20 for the new version because crashing with the big mods is fucking infuriating.

>>717953908
Tired shill script. Just shut the fuck up pajeet. This game has never had pathfinding issues, and that certainly isn't a reason to drop a single cent on this if you already own the original.

>>717954264
>This game has never had pathfinding issues

>>717947057 (OP)
Will they re-add LAN?

>>717954709
LAN?

>>717953572
They use a 'remaster' to stealthily retcon designs, they've probably turned the Tau commander into a female too.

>>717954903
I bet they've snuck in female voices and models for Imperial Guard units

>>717954903
>they've probably turned the Tau commander into a female too.
Maybe the one in Soulstorm, I guess?
Kais is an actual character in broader lore unlike the other DC leaders.

>>717947326
This does sound tempting. I know it's imbalanced and I've never done it before but I can probably play better than your average person that will be around in that week.

>>717954903
>IG changed to Astra Militurdum
>Tau switched over to G'ay
>Eldar to Leldari
>all instances of meme dialogue removed to prevent future lampooning of the brand

>>717954893
Yes, LAN.

If they're charging $30 they should have included DoW2 who is also a 32bit game despite being around from 2008-2011.

>>717955370
They'll probably try to do that separately and charge $40-$50 for it. Pure greed.

>>717954972
>goes from the default bong to some barely passing eunuch and their poorly recorded attempt in the shower
The absolute state

>>717955295
The video they showed earlier still had Eldar, and I think it was still Tau.

>>717952363
Lmao, that's worse than the options we have for the original.
Now we'll have 4 ways to do it at least, and all are kinda trash.
Nurgle:
>play the original in widescreen with menus suffering horizontal stretching
Slaanesh:
>play the remaster in widescreen with 4:3 menu elements shoved smack in the middle
Khorne:
>play the remaster in widescreen with menus sliced in two, and the hide button being off center
Tzeentch
>just play any version in a 4:3 aspect ratio with correct menus like you did in 2004

I hope we get a God Emperor option someday, either from the community or an official patch, where the menus are finally properly updated for widescreen displays. Pic very much related.
That's literally all this game needs to be 'modernized' because everything else holds up.

Surprised James Workshop approved this, I thought they're abandoning all pre-Primaris content

>no AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA in the trailer
no buy

they should add tyranids, admech, custodes, inquisition
basically every pre-8th edition unit

>>717955295
>mfw Rogue Trader
I don't regularly engage with GW's jewery, so it took me a moment to work out who the fuck the Aeldari and Drakhari are

>>717955686
>custodes
Fuuuuuuuuck off.

>>717952075
>>717952105
Iron Warriors players are losers and don't actually have models

>>717955686
>nids without the copyright abusing carnifexs and screamer killers
No thanks bro

>>717955798
One of the Ciaphas Cain books flat out made fun of "Aeldari"

>>717955686
Tyranids, yes. The rest are just meme units that don't belong as their own faction in anything.

>>717955574
it seems I'll be sticking to the tzeentch option
they have no right to call this a remaster if they fail to fix such an integral part of the visuals that players will be looking at constantly
they have a disclaimer that it's pre-release footage, but I doubt they'll do anything about it

Will they remove the 20/20 unit caps?

Makes sense in the original DoW but not in DC and Soulstorm where Boreale had access to 4-5 companies, even if the Blood Ravens lost canonically that's half their Chapter

>>717956043
more factions are always better and less work for modders

>>717956171
>remove the hardcaps so you can lose all 100 baneblades in a single skirmish
Go for broke

>>717956246
But those aren't factions. Inquisitors and Adeptus Mechanicus are just Imperial Guard divisions. Custodes are just Space Marines with stupid looking armor.

They haven't shown large skirmish games like 1v7 or 4v4 filled to the brim with units especially IG and Orks, even if they improved pathfinding it seems like they didn't fix anything and the AI will just turtle in their base and only send token forces instead of their mass blob of bodies.

>all the middle aged manchildren with too much disposable income ITT proudly admitting they'll buy whatever GW shits out

You deserve trannies taking over 40k

>>717956638
It's a graphical and system update for a 20 year old game for $20, poorfag.

>>717956638
Society has fallen
Trillions must perish

>>717948416
It's not like GW even bothers with licensing AoS game, they know they don't sell.

>>717956606
Correct. It will probably also have performance issues the original doesn't have.

>>717947057 (OP)
will this break the mods?
I doubt anyone will play a 20yo game without mods.
And the game has impressive mods.

>>717956957
One of the first things they mentioned was mod support.

>>717955574
>>717956063
I just slapped together a corrected HUD concept in photoshop in 15 minutes. If it's this fucking easy for a 0 budget fuck like me with zero talent, a proper dev team with an actual budget and plenty of time should be able to do it too.

>>717957705
Here's the thing they're delivering.

>>717957705
>>717957802
am i going schizo? yours looks like fucking dogshit. why would i want all that empty black space on the screen?

>>717957705
>>717957802
I don't even know what the logic be where they couldn't stretch it out across the board when some rando can do it in photoshop.

>>717957972
If you select multiple units, that space will be filled, dummy.

>>717947057 (OP)
need RTS fix

Buying it day 1 to have fun paying the game and spite the negative Nancy's itt

>>717957972
As opposed to some half ass attempt with a portion of the game peaking through? Why not add more functionalities like grouping and unit formations if you are going to go back to the basics.

>>717957972
To add to >>717958040, it can only allow for 8 units to be displayed, and you'll likely have more of them.

>>717958095
I already had fun playing this game 17 years ago. And so did everyone else. Dumb shill.

>>717958040
>>717958292
Concern trolling, if you have more than 8 units to a group you're a retard.

>>717958342
lol
So be it man, defend their laziness for all I care, I've the right to voice my dislike for aspects of the product.

>>717958342
>if you have more than 8 units to a group you're a retard.
Have fun not running the mods then moron. 8 units is smalltime numbers for the apocalypse games.

>>717958489
Victim complex, I have a right to defend/explain aspects of the product.

>>717958601
Again, retard. What units are you grouping more than 8 of in one group? You can just tab through them regardless.

>>717956957
It might break some stuff for a bit. But since this is updating the game to a 64 bit application, from a 32 bit one, it might reignite the modding scene in a big way. Shit like Ultimate Apocalypse currently only works due to autistic code wizardry. With this release there'll be no more RAM workarounds, vastly improved ability for the engine to handle fuck tons of units, resolution increases, map size expansions, etc.

>>717958712
I'll give (You) (You)r last pity (You) because I'm going to bed.

>>717958712
>What units are you grouping more than 8 of in one group?
All of the gaunt variants for a start. Basilisks too when you need to move them closer to the front once they get outranged. Same with the Crons when you've abused the resurrection orb you'll have enough warriors and immortals to flood the map with them. If it calls itself the definite edition it should be more than capable of managing twice the amount of units onscreen then it did back in 2006. Anything less is downright pathetic and shouldn't be asking for compensation in their half pie efforts.

>>717959169
>group them and tab through them hitting R (i think) to perma que the reinforcement option

after that what the fuck do you need their portraits visible for with that many units?

>>717947057 (OP)
Of course they are, they've been buying mods for years now.

>>717959169
You aren't doing anything beyond attack moving in those scenarios though. So more than 8 being visible at any one time is redundant.

It's like people moaning about now swimming in the new Mafia game. Just complaining for the sake of complaining.

>>717959606
SCRUB!

>>717959695
just use the arrow to cycle through pages of units pussy

Same with Starcraft remastered, why only 12 to a group still? Blizzard are hacks.

>>717947057 (OP)
>an HD
H isn't a vowel faggot stop this shit. If you say it like it starts with a vowel, you're retarded and wrong.

>>717957705
Relic, hire this man
unironically

so will it be easy for the unification mod to be ported over?

>>717959829
Do you say "I'll be there in a hour" or "I'll be than in an hour"...?

Checkmate, atheists.

>>717957972
You're right, he's retarded

I prefer DoW 2 and the squad based diablo style it took for the campaign over glorified skirmish maps

>>717960927
I hated how shiny everything looked in that game.

>>717960927
I don't disagree with this, but only because some of the stronghold missions in DC and SS were liquid shit tier awful.

>another case of a pointless and unnecessary remaster when the original works just fine
of course I'm not buying
I just hid the heretic+hexen remaster from my steam library too, I don't even want these for free

>>717960927
i respect your opinion but disagree with it

DoW is shit they should remaster CoH 1 without opposing fronts none of the gay shit CoH 3 or the awful panzer elite units
I just want to 1v1 on angovile again.

>>717960927
Absolutely, it was a much better game. 1 is bog standard as an early 2000's RTS and nobody would pick it over something like C&C, AoE2, or Starcraft. DoW2 is a more inventive and unique game and more true to the setting.

>>717958292
>remaster
>still only locked to 8 units
Kek so no big battles are allowed and AI will only send 4-6 units at best even when they're maxed out.

>>717961354
>dude they should remaster and re-sell a game that already works perfectly on current systems and even had a Steamworks updates a few years ago!

>>717961453
>dude they should remaster and re-sell a game that already works perfectly on current systems and even had a Steamworks updates a few years ago!
Yes
Did I stutter?

>>717961445
technically small arrows appear when you have more than 8 units selected which you can click to scroll the list of selected units left or right, but they had the chance to use the additional space to display more of them and fumbled it

>>717961526
No I understood what you were say but it was completely retarded and pointless.

>>717947057 (OP)
It's worth it for the sole fact it'll run on more than 2GB of memory alone and won't crash ever 15 minutes once people start porting mods from the original over.

>>717961615
They should fully extend the UI when there are more than 8 units controlled, otherwise it's okay for that minimal UI screen.

>>717961453
>already works perfectly on current systems
it doesn't though, it's temperamental as fuck

>>717961770
nobody complaining actually plays the game and doesn't actually understand how any of this works on a technical level

>no new maps
>no new campaigns
>no balance patches or gameplay revamp
>30 dead american presidents

>>717947057 (OP)
Believe it. Well worth the cost, and if it excludes third world browns who can't afford 30 USD from shitting up multiplayer lobbies, I would pay a cool 80 just for that to keep them out even longer.

>>717960927
you prefer DOG SHIT!!!

>>717958342
what a corporate dicksucker you are. disgusting.

>>717960927
>no massive battles between two sides punching the shit out of each other
No sirs I don't like it.

How we feeling eldarbros?

>>717964223
*Aeldari

>>717964283
I swear if they pull the name changes, someone is getting mailed a pipebomb. In real life, not in minecraft.

>>717947057 (OP)
no LAN? day1 pirate

>>717960927
if you don't find it fun to watch entire armies clash then you are a homosexual.

>>717961937
They have said they are looking at balancing the individual games. You don't want a gameplay revamp when it's supposed to be a remaster. If some new developers add their own spin to it, it's not a remaster its some piece of shit.

>>717947057 (OP)
Why are warhammerfags like this?

My simple hope is that this initial release of the nochange-remaster does well and they go on to give it the AoE2 DE treatment with added content and gameplay tweaks/fixes over time, but retain the original unaltered game so that modders and purists can still play that.

>>717964767
Is the implication here supposed to be that Starcraft marines are comparable to 40k marines? Because they're not. Starcraft marines aren't even that good in their own setting. It's full of jokes about their incredibly low life expectancy.

>>717964771
I doubt we're going to see extra content in that form. If this does well they get to make DoW4. Relic's been on a hiring spree and is flush with cash from AoE4 and CoH3. The whole point of doing this Re-Release is to get them some more cash flow independent of SEGA, and to get DoW1 back into the public consciousness so the announcement of 4 can hit harder.

>>717964771
Fuck that. AoE2 was my favorite game of all time but all the garbage they've added to DE is awful and has ruined the game at this point. Old games that are complete should not be tampered with.

>>717964767
i think you mean like this

>>717964538
Retard

>>717966041
Where are her chicken feet and wings?

>>717960927
DoW2 has better ideas than execution. The campaign is just too boring. Captain difficulty is agony, not because it’s technically difficult, but because it’s incredibly tedious having Cyrus skulk around every single level sniping the high priority targets and then spend an hour doing cleanup duty. It really needed more mission variety. Angel Gate sucks so much. You’ve got a three way battle set up with you and IG vs orks vs tyranids, but you never get a single sense of any of them actually fighting.

>>717966074
that was post fuck up

>>717947057 (OP)
Lol no, get Soulstorm and the unification mod, it's x100 times better

>>717947057 (OP)
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSINDRIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

>>717948697
actually Imperial Guard can be quite difficult to play given how squishy the Guardsmen are. you're gonna have to be on top of your Guardsmen and Command Squad micro so that they don't instantly die

>>717956043
Mechanicum would make for an actually cool and potential faction though. Like IG but instead of raw numbers it's technological superiority.
Then again I don't know if they had actual 'units' in the tabletop back in 2004 so maybe it'd kill immersion

>>717958342
>this was a massively missed opportunity to fix an obvious problem with the game
>muh goncern trolling
now this is just regular trolling. Not even hitler was this jewish

>>717966618
WHAT...
My lord.

>>717967553
HD METAL BAWKSS AND FEWWWWLLLS

LO, THOUGH THE TIME IS DARK, MY FAITH SHINES

>>717964917
They are just more armoured redneck cadians, power level wise

I shall NEVER tire

>>717968715
>gay knights

>>717964917
Starcraft Marines are brain-fucked drug fiends walking around in mass produced armor and toting railguns.
Even given the low life expectancy of Terran Marines, you'd still have a hundred of them ready and waiting by the time a single Drop Pod falls, and it's only take a fraction of tht to gun down whatever Space Marine squad is inside.
Space Marines are MASSIVELY overblown, baseline humans wielding sharpened sticks and clubs can take one down.

>>717961359
>no one would pick DoW over C&C, AoE2, or Starcraft
None of these games have the spectacle of a Deamon dualling a space marine or dozens of orcs being sent into the air by artillery

>>717960927
based and true, it was much better
dow 1 also has absolute barebones and stupid basebuilding with fucking atrocious maps

>>717948347
>>717947964
>graaa, fps games are a precision and clickfest!!!
>graaa, fighting games are a buttonmash fest!!!!
>graaaa, adventure games are a pixelhunting fest!!!!

luv Tau, gonna play Dark Crusade as them again...

>>717947057 (OP)
can we at least play everything without jumping between 4 executables this time?
and no, pick-a-game-from-a-launcher does not count as a single executable

>>717972096
https://youtu.be/9gV1AH4lga0

>>717972096
https://youtu.be/9gV1AH4lga0?t=88

>>717948347
Are you some kind of underaged zoomer that didn't get to live through Relic literally revolutionizing RTS mechanics to make it less about APM optimization?

>>717947057 (OP)
Tips for Dark Crusade? Doing a Tau playthrough.

OrkGODS we eating good?

>>717973557
a good tau is a dead tau
so make sure to lose

>>717967162
>guardsmen
>not instantly die
Sorry, all my games must be lore accurate

>>717951150
Have you played Zephon from the same dev? They improved on their formula and even created some half decent lore.

No nids, no buy

>>717953572
The nu version can't even put the necrons on the ground properly

>>717953572
The only thing that looks slightly improved there are the guns. Every other aspect is a clear downgrade.

>>717973557
LOCKING ON TARGETS

>>717968782
no, not cadians. one of the penal legions.

>>717974361
they kinda have to play around their structures and it kind of takes a lot of micro to do well with them

>>717975128
It's worse in UA even with the additional health upgrades and weapon options. If they aren't getting fragged or strafed they will end up melting in real time because everything else is OP as shit. Really puts into perspective just how fucked it is trying to fight as a regular ole squishy with a solar powered laser light.

To tabletop experts, did Dawn of War complete all of the units or did Relic omit some of them?

Excluding the Primaris and new stuff other factions got over the years.

Relic should seriously put in the work and add the Tyranids, AdMech, etc.

>>717975581
Shut up faggot.

>>717972096
That's literally the reason why you are supposed to pay $30 for this

>>717964223
What are gayms workslop trying to pull this time with the knife ears? I only heard some bullshit about the retarded terminus decree

>>717947057 (OP)
Warhammer is awful normalfaggot shit, so no, I am obviously not going to buy it

>>717970418
This particular space marine is holding this funny little thing. This is called a Rosarius, and it houses a piece of technology called a Conversion Field Emitter. What it does is pretty funny, it converts kinetic impacts into photon bursts in the visual range.

>>717975581
Even going up to Soulstorm, the army lists were far from complete, especially in the case of Chaos, you have almost half a dozen factions rolled into one. Some units were in the wrong army entirely, Grey Knights aren't attachable to Space Marine armies for example. Vehicle options in particular were extremely limited, the Eldar doesn't even have a third of their options, a couple factions only have one of their super heavy tanks available, most others don't have super heavy tanks at all.

>>717964223
I'll take retarded lore decisions and excellent models over favourable lore and nu-GW designs any day of the week. The Eldar are basically the only army in the game that are still 95% faithful to the original design vision, God bless Jes Goodwin and his efforts to protect his babies.

>>717976715
>especially in the case of Chaos, you have almost half a dozen factions rolled into one.
Chaos was rolled into one book when DoW came out, it wasn't until many many years later that each subfaction started getting their own army books on the tabletop.

>>717948347
Yes, that's exaxtly what Relic did with RTS mechanics you mouthbreating zoomer retard faggot.

>>717977002
Most people still understood each chaos army as its own faction because of the sheer range of units available to them, just unified under a single codex. At least I did.

>>717977004
Yawn.

Could you all mentally retarded people stop being wrong for one minute? Really tiresome.

>>717973557
Early stealth is fucking busted

>>717978080
Commander unit and turrets see them, and both can be out very early.

>>717977341
IIRC basically everything apart from named characters could be taken as part of a Chaos Undivided force, which is the kind featured in all of the DoW games. It wouldn't have really made sense for Relic to make five separate Chaos factions that are mostly identical to one another.

what are they going to call the definitiver editions of definitive editions in 20 years?

>>717949668
As you can see, I will buy it as long as it has "40k" somewhere in its name.

It makes the game 64bit so it changes stuff for modders

>>717978206
Yeah, Chaos just has way too many units, even for the game to reconcile. You probably could fold them all in and have exclusive upgrade paths that unlock unit selections like the Tau had with Mont'ka and Kauyon, but for each of the Chaos gods. That's still a lot of units to have in the game for one faction though, a mixed Undivided force just made the most sense.

>>717978206
UA did it right where you research and select your eventual army composition based on your patron deity. Choose Khorne and you get berserkers and blood thirsters with further bonuses associated with melee combat. The con is you can't use anything from Slannesh like the crab hand demons and tentacle rape horses. It goes another step further with the Tau and IG where you can choose which doctrine you want to run as and you build your forces based around that. Like a free form version of the laser and nuke generals from CnC Zero Hour without having to set it out from the main menu.

>>717978318
Pathetic. You don't even have multiple space hulk games.

>>717978403
There will never be a game strongly starring Slaanesh because everyone just associates them with kinky sex by default.

>>717978325
Would you say it's a game changer?

>>717957705
The difficulty lies not in designing an UI that would fit a wide screen, genius.
They will have to create an UI that automatically stretches no matter what resolution you play in. The problem lies in coding an appropriate UI, not painting it.
Not that this excuses the female dev that was tasked with designing the UI, mind you, as it can be done with some light effort.

>>717948804
>the game... wants me to play the game?!

>>717978539
Maybe you should give UA and the Chaos Daemons mod a spin. You can spam Keeper of Secrets with their Total Recall style tits and crab hands to your hearts content. Not like you can build a fully fledged RTS based on kinky sex things in the current political climate. Let alone one that takes it to the functional extreme at scale. In a franchise that is more interested in selling toy models over actual vidya. Unless you want take Freecities and expand on that further. There might be an audience for that somewhere if coom mods in Stellaris are anything to go by.

>>717978790
Figuring out how something should look is usually harder than implementing it these days

>>717967162
Yeah until you get weapon teams and Leman Russ out.

>>717973557
>Get Stealth Suits
>Win
AI is really bad at dealing with stealth units.

>>717967162
Idea behind IG is that you build bunkers forward of your base and strategic points and stick your guard squads in them, then hold the line until you get your game breaking units. It doesn't really hold up much in practice though since the bunker weapons don't have decent range, even once you have a full stack of squads in there.

>>717979007
>you can finally run las cannon teams three lines deep without the game imploding from the sheer amount of light hitting a singular point

>>717978448
Hey I also got the Gothic Armada games, but otherwise I shall consneed to your collection. You're also a chad that didn't buy the atrocious Space Marine 2 I see.

>>717979284
Thought I'd wait for it to be patched some more, but they really don't seem to be making it good from what I hear.

>>717947057 (OP)
>You're not actually going to buy this, right /v/?
I don't think I will. Already have the Anniversary Edition.

>>717979462
>60 mins
Step it up senpai

>>717979217
Yeah I'm gonna download any unit cap remover mod day 1.

>>717979520
I played a few more hours in Dark Crusade.

>>717960927
I also like the campaign more, and I played more multiplayer DoW2 than all the versions of 1, combined.
However, I recognize that we're in the minority, and that's fine. DoW1 is more cathartic and visually appealing than the seriousness of 2.
Sometimes a nigga really just wants to see a 10000 hp tank, know that a lasgun shot only would deal 1 damage to it, and say to themselves "I am going to ignore that tank while it melts my soldiers, but it'd be really fucking funny if this battle went on long enough for it to accidentally die, anyway."

40k exists best as a vague background for a tabletop skirmish game. GW dickriding lorefags consoomers make me sick.

>>717979086
>>717978080
Dont Stealthsuits do like 10 damage? Their one of the weakest range attackers in the game

>>717981160
With upgrades and fusion blasters they become pretty potent. They have a nasty habit of killing IG hellhounds and chimeras if you don't spam the scanner or psykers.

>>717981469
This, they're a nightmare to deal with if you're running vehicles, Tau hard counter IG.

>>717981160
The issue is that you can't stop it, initially. Sure, it takes 30 seconds to kill a single soldier, but that adds up over time.
Plus, you can upgrade them right out the gate to triple that damage. They'll bleed off models and resources, and can keep squads from being full size before the real fight starts.
Before they got nerfed in Soulstorm, they could also be perfectly accurate on the move, like a squad of mosquitoes with tiny plasma guns. Depending on the faction they were facing, getting detection was five minutes away

Today I am going to teleport my entire Eldar base into the dark corners of the enemies' side of Kasyr Lutien and hide out over there for the entire match for no reason at all.

>>717981952
The AI players always know where your base is, you know, even through the webway shroud effect.

>>717981662
It doesn't help the chimera patterns are generaly made from wet tissue paper. Just sneezing on them would be enough to make it explode. The Tau are just that good when it comes to shooting things. The XV88 Battlesuits still tear shit apart when they start claiming areas with their locked knees and dual railguns. Not much outside of blob rushes, Baneblades and arty spam will be enough to dislodge a well organized firing line of them.

They're also releasing on GoG so it's an auto buy for me

>>717948347
>nooooo every game should cater to my casual self!
Kill yourself niggerfaggot

>>717948016
Yes they fixed some glaring balance issues in the original whereby Eldar worker units would occasionally lose to Khorne Berserkers in melee. Now they always win

>>717953572
I love how the ground texture is still a blurry mess.

>>717973557
Just spam Fire Warriors with a Pathfinder squad or two, then build some vehicles. You can do Kroot stuff too but Fire Warrior spam works just as well frankly.

Only thing that needs to be nerfed, deleted from the game even

>>717983127
I think the Eldar could stand to lose their cloaking bullshit too.

>>717947057 (OP)
>You're not actually going to buy this, right /v/?
>complains about RTS being dead
>doesn't buy RTS so publisher and suit fags see they could make money

do you still don't understand how the world works?

>>717983250
>Make hot Eldar lady
>Make art of her being the wife of Guilliman
>Proceed to do literally nothing else with her for years
What was GW thinking?

>>717947057 (OP)
Maybe if they finish soul storm so you don't have to rebuild your base every battle in the story.

>>717976715
>Grey Knights aren't attachable to Space Marine armies for example
Couldn't you attach an Inquisitor plus... two troop units(? maybe one elite, one fast assault too?) of Demonhunters(GK) or Witchhunters(SoB) to any Space Marine or IG army back in 3rd/4th edition? Pretty sure you could add basic grey knight squads to any loyalist army that way.
Unless the Demonhunter codex prevented grey knights from getting added that way specifically and only allowed stormtroopers but I don't think it did.

>>717983250
>Buy shit product
No thanks

>>717983191
Eldar cloaking is whatever. Since its really loud whenever there is anything cloaked. Stealthsuits on the other hand actually do damage however.

>>717983687
It's annoying hunting down their buildings.

>>717983439
You act like those retards at GW think at all.

>>717983901
Still funny to think that a single picture ended the Eldar as a significant faction.

>releases in 1 day
>no option to pre-order on Steam
I feel like this is gonna be one of those ‘overwhelmingly negative’ remasters

>>717984526
Looks worth it for getting an actual FOV and not having to fuck around with camera mods alone.

>>717984526
No review copies either and all of their dev diaries are all about graphics...looks like this shit is just DOW1 with an AI paint job and modern screen support.

They already fucked up the Space Marine 1 remaster.

>>717975581
I mean at the time, it didn't omit too much honestly.
I think by Soul Storm the only factions that had a codex at the time and were missing were Demonhunters and Tyranids. Though you do have Grey Knight squads in the Space Marines as an alibi.
The major things the game was missing were Space Marine chapters(DA, BA, BT) that had their own codex and thus a bunch of special units from them were missing.
Also Chaos was missing some of their god-specific troops and demons. Though to be fair, in the 3rd edition Codex that was current when DOW came out, a Plague Marine was just a CSM with a mark of Nurgle equipped. Same with a Khorne Berserker(though they somehow made it in as a seperate unit). I guess they were also missing a Land Raider but it's understandable why they kept that as a SM super unit.

I guess the game is generally missing all bikes, with only DE and Necrons having their jet bikes.

In fact Necrons weren't missing a single unit(their 3rd edition codex being pretty short(which lasted to end of 5th)).
Dark Eldar were missing maybe... Mandrakes? Can't think of much else from 3rd edition. This was before their massive glow up in 5th.
Eldar were missing wraith guards and bikes.
Even IG wasn't missing too much. All the crazy tank variants only showed up in 5th edition so I think they were maybe missing the leman russ demolisher maybe?
And on it goes.

Honestly, the game was made at a time when army lists were still pretty short and new codices like AdMech was still yeeeeears out. Tau were the hottest new thing available at the time.

>>717984526
I had an opposite impression. Devs knew their boomer audience will scoff at preorders and parrot all day that it's a cashgrab, so wisely decided to not have that.
I'm more concerned with absence of pre release reviews desu. There is nothing to spoil and a feedback on a tech side from someone other than developer would be nice to hear.

What's the difference between Chaos and SM in gameplay? How do you play them?
Always felt they were too fragile and die super fast, especially the crab

>>717985005
I always felt like Chaos was one of the worse factions. They have a couple strong things like Horrors and a decent late-game but just about everybody does so it feels too little, too late.

>>717952105
Yeah but the good csm models are all from mods.

>>717953030
>it's okay they didn't understand what was good about DoW, they undid the change they wanted to do!
What other changes have they done and will those be undone?
Do they actually like DoW1?

>>717985005
Obliterator spam

>>717984752
Did Tau get all of their robots and kroot or did they add more robots in future codices?

>>717985194
>spam
>unit with a cap of 2

>>717984795
They should send review copies to 40k Youtubers but it's too late now.

I'm not going to coomsoom until I get the full picture 48 hours to a week later.

>>717985005
Chaos is pretty strong T1 and T2 - csm out of the box do more damage with their knives than their bolters fyi. The main thrust is getting heavy bolters early and having raptors as a very strong T1 unit.

If you are facing people of regular skill berzerkers + chains of torment sorc will end games with a mild hard tech. If you are really ballsy a hard tech to T3 and dump a unit of possessed on your foe in like 5 mins is pretty challenging to stop if you don't know it is coming.

>>717984752
DE got every unit except grotesques because 3rd ed grotesques were the most retarded unit ever made by GW, both model wise and rules wise (lmao go look up their feel no pain ability) and the wych HQ's.

>>717957705
>bar where information is, eyes look up or down depending on what you want
>>717957802
>mixed area use, bottom left now shows off the battle, unit card now reduced
I don't like their UI choice.

>>717961016
I also didn't like the shine and it looks like this remaster is coming with reflections too.
I don't understand the desire for it.

>>717984451
>jpg
Why is a British game celebrating an American holiday?

>>717953572
Why are the feet of those on the bottom floating a few inches above the ground like it's a bethesda game?

>>717948804
Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong board, /vmg/ is two blocks down

>>717985217
I'm a bit foggy on this, but I also think Tau were pretty complete. I think they had like a Land Speeder equivalent called the Piranha that didn't make it(haven't played in a while, corect me if they do exist and I'm hallucinating)?
Pretty sure all the battle suits at the time were in fact just Stealth, Crisis and Colossus or whatever the double railgun heavy boys were called. Hell, the suit the commander wears in DOW was I think a straight up invention by DOW. Commanders in the table top were also just another crisis suit with extra health. So the way I remember it the table top had less different suits(though the basic crisis was ridiculously customizable in terms of weapons in the table top).

>>717956560
>Adeptus Mechanicus are just Imperial Guard divisions.
Retard

>>717985005
>Space Marine
Terrible early game, easy to be rushed, strong but expensive units, can't see stealth units.
>Chaos Space Marine
More of a horde army. Not an easy army to understand.
Really confusing in modpacks because they give you a lot of spells.

Gay Knights need to be split off from the Blood Ravens/Space Marines though they can technically be their own chapter with more reskins

Inquisition needs to be their own faction, pooling reskinned units from Space Marines (Deathwatch) and IG (Stormtroopers, assassin, officers and heroes). Female Inquisitors were always a thing, maybe a reskinned Cannoness

They get cheap Stormtroopers and then later get access to the Deathwatch and Grey Knights. All of the assassin temples are hero characters for them.

>>717947057 (OP)
Not sure, because i played through all of them. I might buy it for 10 or 5 euro when it goes on sale.

>>717947057 (OP)
I really hope the release of DoW:DE brings back all of the old memes into popularity.

>>717985104
I wonder if they improved the army painter

>>717986098
>4000000
>09
holy shit that's old

>>717947057 (OP)
I really like DoW, like a lot. but this is screaming cashgrab louder than howling banshees

>>717986098
Zoomers don't play RTS much less being into Warhammer

>>717985005
Rush with raptors. If all else fails try to get bloodthrister, teleport your sorc into enemy army and hope for the best

>>717954903
>>717954972
Warhammerfags try to not be a schizo challenge IMPOSSIBLE

>>717947057 (OP)
It's available on PS4?

>>717947057 (OP)
besides HD models and textures and better UI, what else did they change?
did they increase the default unit cap?

>>717947057 (OP)
Nope. Sticking to my much older and better game.

>>717986098
>Memes return
>Fun returns
>Smut returns

>>717987243
Based

>>717987243
Based.
The Grudgebringers are so badass.

>>717987535
I wouldn't complain...
maybe love can bloom will come back too

>>717987845
It's been too long, I doubt the original author even remembers it.

>>717970418
>Space Marines are MASSIVELY overblown, baseline humans wielding sharpened sticks and clubs can take one down.
assuming they somehow managed to catch him while he was completely unconscious, sure
muhreens are 7' giganiggas with superhuman reflexes who could literally rip a man in half
if he wasn't in armor it is definitely possible for an unending number of normal humans to eventually kill him but damn it'd take a lot

>>717983250
>buy this stupid shit you dont want so that corporation can get you to buy a terrible sequel t that they might never make
of course its a weeb

>>717950189
true , only AAA faggots dont buy this game

>>717947057 (OP)
I will only buy it if they fix the absolutely horrendous pathing of flying units in Soulstorm.

>>717988467
they did

>>717987636
>pic
Oh yeah, I forgot that he was a grudgebringer.

>>717988596
Well, shit, proofs??

>Someone asks where to start getting into 40K
>Instantly suggested Horus Rising
Horus Heresy ruined 40K.

>>717988920
Reminder.

>>717947057 (OP)
$30 for a fresh coat of paint on 100+ hours of 10/10 RTS gameplay and revived multiplayer doesn't sound too bad at all to me ngl.

>>717982280
>every game should cater to my casual self!
Unironically this.

>>717947057 (OP)
Did they fix the cringe "remastered" intro?

>>717985549
It's called "walking", oftentimes one foot is above the ground while taking a so-called "step". You might not be familiar with the concept, being a 4chinner and all

>>717988920
That's right anon, don't suggest anything and inmedietly come running to cry in the mongolian forum that I'll teach them

>>717989756
Not him but most any time some asks the best way to get into Warhammer there will immediately be a slew of Marine fans who jump in and say to start with HH since that's "what matters".

>>717985549
They aren't

>>717984526
if its ultra fucked like SM1 revomit, then quite possibly. what a disgrace that was

>>717988920
There are exactly two places that makes for a good starting point to 40k, largely depending on where you want to go after that. The first is the core book of the tabletop game (whatever edition you like, the latest one is usually the easiest to get but it doesn't matter for lore) and the second is the Dawn of War singleplayer campaigns. They absolutely perfectly encapsulates the essence of 40k in a way nothing has done before or since. It's not perfect canon, but that doesn't matter in the slightest. DoW if you're just interested in video games or lore, and the core book if you're interested in lore and the tabletop side of things.

>>717989240
Against all odds, they actually did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HiUectTy9Y

>>717990853
Based

>>717990661
Getting into tabletop after years of loving DoW might have been one of the most dreadful things I've ever done.
DoW gives a nice and prettyillusion of what most people would want 40k to be, but Space Marine (especially 2) is a far more realistic showing of what 40k is really "about".

I'd just like the stronghold cutscenes to not crash the game.

>>717991286
I dunno, god emperor not wanting to be deified is kinda funny

>>717991286
SM2 is also probably a pretty good start now, that's fair, if nothing else for the sheer spectacle of it. I do feel both SM1 and 2 does a lot less worldbuilding than DoW does though.

>>717947057 (OP)
>>717990853
>Permanent $21 for previous DoW owners
Idk if it's worth it, even with the discount.

>>717991662
It's not, should be free if you bought it 20 years ago for 100 slav shekels, you should stay away and tell every anon to do the same. 21$ is like half a month of mcdonalds in africa bro

Please don't fuck it up.

>>717991558
>I do feel both SM1 and 2 does a lot less worldbuilding than DoW does though.
That's what I mean, anon. GW doesn't give a fuck aboit world building. They want fresh customers to buy the newest Marine models so they can continue doing the bare minimum, and the worst part is that it works. Yeah SM2 has some neat moments where people familiar with 40k can point and nerd out, but the only bosses with remotely any kind of background are the Hive Tyrant (which is a handful of lines stating it's the Tyranid leader) and Imurah (who is just a vague Exalted Sorceror). It's essentially taking what's often portrayed as Imperial propaganda and instead treating it as hard truthful canon.
Anyone getting into proper tabletop from SM2 is going to be utterly waylaid by how Marines really are, but anyone getting into it from DoW is going to be waylaid by how GW actually treats 40k as a setting.

>>717992098
Make it 33% off for every previous copy. Already bought it three times, so at least I, if no one else, should get it for free.

>>717956560
You are a genuine fuckign retard.
Admech have always been their own faction within the lore, they are basically their whole distinct empire within the Imperium, with their own armed forces.

>>717947057 (OP)
If they fix the fucking pathfinding and whatever scaling insanity Winter Assault is on then maybe.
Genuinely think that Winter Assaults campaign logic has to be tied to framerate or something because it is fucked, those final few missions on modern PCs.

>>717976797
The Eldar are easily the best looking faction in the game so it is a true blessing that Goodwin has kept their looks consistent.

>>717983439
>>Make art of her being the wife of Guilliman

This is what the retarded coomers did, not GW.

>>717992612
Bro it's right here >>717984451

>>717992754
>some dumbshit joke image made for the warhammer community webpage, that doesn't even have any romantic elements in it in the first place, let alone being in any way or form canonical.
>Proof that Girlyman and Yvraine are totally fucking!!!!

Coomers like you are fucking delusional and just project your fetishes into everything.

>>717947057 (OP)
You can bet your ass I am.
20 dollaridoos is nothing.
It will also bring in new players to the franchise.

>>717992670
One day GW will make good warp spider models. One day.

>>717993003
My brother in Christ it's literally a parody of Norman Rockwell's Freedom From Want, which clearly depicts a family around the dinner table.
And the point isn't what's properly canon, it's that GW lent credence to the inane fan shipping by way of acknowledgement. Even if it's just a silly WarCom post, it still acknowledges what the shippers push the idea of.

>>717947057 (OP)
What if i am? What you gon do about it?

>>717993239
>One day.
My man that was earlier this year

>>717993305
If it is not canonical then what the fuck is your point?

Idk about Girlyman and Yvraine fucking or not, but what I DO know for certain is that Sigmar and Miao Ying did.

>>717990853
>Come home, Gamer man
Subtle shill is subtle

>>717947759
I vividly remember walking past a Games Workshop store when I was a kid and thinking "what the fuck is Warhammer? Wow, that looks cool". Then my dad took me inside, saw all of the pedophile-adjacent neck beards playing there, and promptly herded me out the door.

Orks and Eldar are two best top tier races in the game

>It's time to paint map again

Hell, It's about time.

>>717985005
Has subsequently the best and worst VA on the same unit. Chaos Marines are great while Chaos Champions on the other hand are meme tier. On par with the cultists that are constantly screaming.

>>717993560
The point is that nobody takes Yvraine seriously because options are canon where she's a useless failure, and fanon where she's Guilliman's arm ornament.
The former is just going to drive any potential 'real' fans away while the latter will fester through their manufactured interpretation. Guess which group has a longer lifespan.

>>717993981
kek

call me when they remove that cringe oc donut steel chapter from the game

>>717994568
>cringelordposter
>calling anyone else cringe
Like pottery

what is this slut saying?

>>717992189
I don't know what you expected, the game is called Space Marine, where you play with the most popular faction and the one that appears in every promotional material, you play as a Ultramarine, the face of Warhammer for decades and it's a direct sequel to a game that was exactly the same. SM never tried to anything more than Bolter porn: the videogame ever since the trailers came out and that's okay

>>717991558
>I do feel both SM1 and 2 does a lot less worldbuilding than DoW does though.
all three of them do less world building then rogue trader

>>717994848
The point is that Marines get a AAA third person shooter with full commercial support from GW while other factions get what? A glorified flash game? A niche gimmicky vehicle combat game? A mid-budget tactical game that GW still shoves their dirty fingers into? An RPG that goes out of its way to shit on more than one of the included non-Imperial factions?
And all of which GW quietly avoids mentioning outside their 'designated event'?
Eldar and Tau haven't had games in decades, meanwhile they've already announced Space Marine 3.

>>717993509
I said good.

>>717990853
>new pathfinding improvements
im buying only because of this, the old game pathfinding is unplayable

>>717993606
The Cathay AJ with Miao Ying being surprised by and smitten with Sigmar when she meets him is one of the funniest things GW has released in a long time.

>>717995254
What's wrong with them?

>>717995423
Retarded poses, not enough mandibles on helmets and their backpacks are not as sleek as they should be. The phoenix lord model is okay.

>>717994268
No actual eldar fan liked Yvraine from the get go because she is a mary sue cunt that was showed into the Eldar "storyline" and her only "accomplishment" is fucking over the best Craftworld.

>>717995591
As opposed to this?

>>717947759
Good game runied by the autistic retarded fan base.
Playing multiplayer was more painful than pulling teeth.
Never played a warhammer game since.

>>717995730
Those were still bad yes.

>>717995697
That's the point. Literally nobody likes Yvraine except shippers who ignore her actual character and plot to focus on her with Guilliman.
Because nobody liked Yvraine (even if they were right to not like her), GW cancelled her plotline. Since her plotline was the one that EVERY OTHER ELDAR PLOT was tied to, that meant EVERY OTHER ELDAR PLOT got ended with her.
So Yvraine's entire legacy is being disliked by Eldar fans for GW's shit writing, and the much broader idea of shipping her with Guilliman.

>>717995770
>Good game runied by the autistic retarded fan base.
That's all RTS games. DoW has an extremely low skill ceiling however compared to most other RTS games so you can get good fast after watching a few youtube tutorials.

>>717995171
GW isn't the one that comes up with the ideas for videogames and they just fund it and given how the quality of this games vary I would be temped to say that they give money to anyone who has a semi cohesive idea, and even if that wasn't the case the truth is that videogames aren't the priority for GW, hell I would even be tempted to say that they are more of an afterthought but this might change given the success of later tittles like SM 2, Mechanicus or Rouge Trader

>>717996265
Mechanicus 2 having the fucking Squats shoved in is more than enough to prove that GW has input on what is and isn't supposed to go into Warhammer games.

One thing I want to know: Are all of the bugs from Soulstorm singleplayer campaign fixed? One example: some of the Necron wargear doesn't even have any affects coded in so they do nothing. The ork warboss guy has lots of buggy gear as well.

>>717955943
>t. Poop eater Imperial Fist baby

>>717996923
>Discount Iron Hands

I'll maybe pick it up once mods start taking advantage of the 64 bit stuff.

>>717996414
.>Mechanicus 2 having the fucking Squats shoved in is more than enough to prove that GW has input on what is and isn't supposed to go into Warhammer games.
Here's my schizo theory, I think that the team behind Mechanicus likes them and they included them because they like them

>>717996998
Anon, nobody likes Squats. The new wave they're getting kinda helped, but it's damn well not going to be in the game given GW's reveal scheduling.

DoW1 issue is not 64-bit, but gameplay.
It's still way too close to Westwodd/Blizzard RTS with very same design around early rushes.

>as a kid I had one of my first 1v1 wins against another player after generally dying to khorne berserker rushes and getting completely outplayed by everyone
>but not that time
>I quickly teched up and rushed a defiler
>opponent put up a small defense but ultimately gets crushed by my superior unit
>was really happy to win for once
>even saved the replay and went to rewatch it to bask in my glory
>game starts
>I'm off to the races, start a panicked scramble for T2 racing against the clock until some doomsday army would emerge from the FOW
>disable fog of war and look at enemy base
>his starting servitor hasn't moved in 5 minutes
>when he finally does, suddenly a message pops up in the replay
>TEAM: "Sorry, I was watching cricket."

iron within iron without

>>717997137
Is this really a problem? Do you want every game to be an hour long like AoE2?

>they actually like useless fleshbags
lol

>>717997250
>Is this really a problem?
Actually yeah, because on that field DoW looks extremelly borring comparing to WC-3
Not even to mention how less balanced it is

>>717997350
Then it's not really an issue with the early rush oriented design. I agree the issue lies more in balance problems.

>>717994970
RT does too much worldbuilding though, I think it'd drown someone entirely new to the universe in terms and information. There's also a distinct lack of war in it, the conflicts are all (relatively) small in scale and highly personal. Nothing wrong with this, and much of it is simply because it's a CRPG and that fits its nature, but as an intro to the 40k universe I think DoW does a much better job.

>>717997137
I WILL drop 4 flayed one units on your HQ at T1.5 and you WILL be happy.

>>717996582

>>717972670
2:54 in this video guy talks about improving shit and fixing all the visual bugs they find

>>717995928
>EVERY OTHER ELDAR PLOT got ended with her.
If I cared about the Eldar, I would consider myself lucky.

>>717997137
>It's still way too close to Westwodd/Blizzard RTS with very same design around early rushes.
Which RTS does not have that? If you can't stop an early rush in any RTS you don't see the late game.
From age of mythology with athlantean rushes, to Age of empires, where people aggro from the first age, or maybe starcraft 2 which had 6 pool evolve into canon rushes, proxy marines...
I don't think I have ever played a RTS where the early rush is not the first hurdle every player has to overcome.

>>717997524
I will keep playing proper RTS instead Relic's cashgrab

>coolest loyalists
Dark Angels
>coolest traitors
Night Lords

>cringiest loyalists
Ultragays
>cringiest traitors
Negro Legion

>>717996998
CA mentioned repeatedly how close the worked with GW while making total warhammer

>>717997097
>nobody likes Squats
The main problem is the army due to how incomplete they are but lore and aesthetic wise they do fine popularity wise, they aren't even close to popular but they have their own niche of a fanbase that likes them and people have been complaining about the lack of material (lore, novels, named characters, etc) that they lack for years to he point that that's the most recognizable part about them, so seeing how most of the dislike comes from not having anything it makes sense that someone that may be at least a little bit interested in them want to add them to their game just so they can have something, hell that's what happened to the Blood Ravens

>>717997831
Extremely basic opinion. Very ironic.

>>717996258
No thanks, I'd rather spend my time doing something fun.

>>717997860
I don't care about Fantasy but GW meddling in games is reduced to basic shit like telling the developers "the Ultramarines are blue, Orks like fighting, this character does X and wants to have Y...", so if the team behind TW are complete lorelets then yeah, GW is going to be heavily "involved" (telling them the basic lore)

>>717998565
What you are describing is an approach that makes logica sense. GW however, is comprised of a greedy retards that care so much about having exclusive control over their IP they nuked almost all available fan material into orbit.
There is no way they don't meddle in things they should not. IIRC the devs behind the Ork racing game had tons of restrictions put on them for example.

>>717998565
CA can be called many things like lazy or Jewish, but calling them lorelets is very far from the truth. They dropped the ball a number of times on the first game but they’ve gone out of their way to specifically use older entries from editions for really well added flavor. They also have been correcting mistakes made previously, the things they couldn’t do because of GW meddling was retarded shit like not letting repeater handgunners on foot.

>>717978318
>>717978448
>Taylor's Pub Landlord: CRACKED
>Chocolate Digestives: READY
Yup, it's disappointing licensed game time
Still cheaper than basically anything from Forge World

>>717997820
I wonder what the scale of a mad cat or an atlas would be on this chart

>>717949668
>>717978318
>>717978448
>>717999793
Fucking peasants.

>>718001296
Squad morale broken

>>717999793
>eternal crusade
rip the dream

>>718002268
F

>>718002418
>300 hours
Slaanesh would be proud

>>717999793
Combopiggy

>>717952363
They are deslisting the original games for this, and making people pay for it instead of getting as free updates.

>>717999793
>Shadow of the Horned Rat
I am still waiting for a retard to finally force that game into 1080p+ with a WinG32.dll wrapper since Dxwnd is shit

>>718003242
30% discount if you own the old one already though which is better than pretty much every other remaster as of late.

>>718003290
meant for
>>718002912

>>718003290
Eh, they sold Starcraft Remastered for 20 bucks to everybody, so that still beats this. I guess that was a decade ago at this point. Apparently Blizzard thought they could sell Reforged for $30. What a disaster.

Guess I'll post my list as well.

>>718003374
Oh, and to this day, you can technically still download and use the old game for free. So that's something.

>>718003290
Dude, nightdive, id and other companies gave shit for free for less, and the OG games will be removed and merged into this.

>>718003374
And i got Starcraft Remastered for free for owning SCBW and i could still play normal war 3 without owning refunded due to owning the game too as Diablo 2.

this is classic Relic fuckery

>>718003242
just use dgvoodoo you semen connoisseur.

>>718003549
It's basically Rome Total War: Remastered all over again

>>718003416
Dawn of War 2 is pretty good, although the Skirmish AI sucks ass

>>718003762
Shadow of the horned rat doesnt recognize DDRAW.DLL and dege doesn't plan on supporting GDI renderer under wing32 games either.
The only person who gave a fuck about this was that dead ass ukranian who made the HOMM and Blood Omen 1 windows patches

>>717994674
>I’ve done nothing wrong
(She’s literally done everything wrong)

>>717981952
>Today I am going to teleport my entire Eldar base into the dark corners of the enemies' side of Kasyr Lutien and hide out over there for the entire match for no reason at all.
how did you know my 1 gameplan for eldar on that map

>>717988920
The correct answer is always Helsreach

>>717985005
>How do you play them?
I play them the same. I rush the air unit, upgrade the anti-building gun if SM, and then i kill/harass the enemy base

>>717960927
I just wish the campaign had something more like Total War.

>>718005375
For me it's Bloodquest

>>717947057 (OP)
Why is this not on ps5
>b-but muh feefees please let me justify my pc please!!
Shut the fuck up you stupid fauxzoom

All their gameplay footage is zoomed way out.
is this a feature too?

>>718005375
is that the one where they go on a sidequest to find one of those retarded trucks from Epic?

>>718006018
Try sitting closer to your monitor and don't watch youtube from phone

>>718006018
yea, the original game was very zoomed in

>>718005931
>RTS
>On console
U
Fookin'
Twat

>>718006129
you clearly never played the game

>>718006257
you clearly retarded

>>718006308
yes...clearly.

>>717997350
Is there even a point to giving these guys geneseed if they're just going to rip it all out and replace it with bionics anyway? Reminds me I have to read up on how they reacted to Primaris.

>>718007003
it gives them more body to rip out and replace with bionics even faster than normal

>>718006158
this

*does nothing wrong*

New Launch Trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtDozpvpb3E

>>718008563
>no blow me away playing
5/10 is the best I can do.

>>718008230
I agree with #1 #2 #4

>>717955650
they released another one a few days ago with the old audio

>>718008563
From what I've seen the developers behind this remaster are all white men that know 40k. It wasn't outsourced to India, thank fucking god.

>>718008230
>destruction of Monarchia
Emperor's single biggest fuckup in the entire Great Crusade, and you know it's true when even Leman and Malcador were against it.

The real reason to get it is 64bit support so that the modders can actually make what they struggled to barely make work. 15 years ago.

>>718009740
It's been theorized that the Emperor knew several Primarchs would fall to Chaos, and that he intended Lorgar (notably one of the weakest) to be the one leading them, allowing the Loyalists to easily crush the rebellion. What he didn't account for was Erebus targetting and corrupting Horus along the way.

>>718010558
thats a new one. real 6D billiard poker chess on big E side

>>718009641
which.. one.. is supposed to be the new *better* one?? unironically

>>718010689
It also explains why he shit on Mortarion and Angron so much, since they were both 'lost causes' that he could easily dispose of.

>>717955650
Literally the best part of the video. You have poopoo taste!

>>717997831
>Dark Angels
>loyalists

DoW2 aged so well it doesn't need a remaster

None of my friends will laugh at this, so I'll share with you guys. Makes me heh evri taem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZuYt1QlzMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUK80ovHbAM

>>718010930
should have just kill them offscreen himself then. what a shitshow

>>718011261
Played it two years ago. Didn't finish the Retribution because shit just sucks. But yeah. It's still fine. Endgame wasn't fun. But Chaos Rising was quite good, despite making 0 sense if you go for full purity playthrough.

>>717948347
I would argue with full sincerity that the edutainment games I played in elementary school required more APM than an RTS like DoW. Even if it were, games in DoW (and most) RTS aren't determined by APM at any level, unless having to remember where you sent a unit counts as gookclick to you.

>>718011564
He didn't who would be a traitor and who wouldn't, for example he thought that the Khan would betray him

>>718011564
If he did then Chaos would have gone after one of the better ones. Imagine Khorne grabbing Sanguinius insteas of Angron, would have been ten times worse.

>>717971780
all of these but unironically

>>717949529
The only RTS I can think of where this is actually true is SC2, because your economy is dependent on fucktarded busywork mechanics like larva/chrono/mules.
Even in Starcraft 1 top level tournaments the winner is not determined by who has higher APM.
An actual problem is metafaggotry and cheese, because players will always optimize the fun out of a game if given the chance. And that effects pretty much any competitive game, even sports.

>>718011068
shh

>>717961354
Fuck this they should release the latest version of the Essence Engine SDK/toolkit with documentation. I'd even pay quite a bit for it.

>>717966095
I did co-op primarch on multiple occasions with different friends. It's a slog but it led to some pretty memorable insanity. By the third time it was a complete breeze, knowledge about gear and mechanics made a huge difference for me.

>>718005931
>console
>rts
you fucking buffoon

>>718005931
It's easier and cheaper for 3.5 consolefags to buy mid level laptops and play every rts ever, than for devs to waste shit ton of money and effort trying to create a gamepad version of the game.
Get steam controller if you've got no money, I can see touchpads be used fine enough for casual play, you'll need to setup custom commands and macro buttons tho. Look up what Halo Wars did

>>718008563
You can see framerate shitting itself at the end.
At least bloodthirster summoning animation isn't 5 fps anymore.

>>718014706
Why was the bloodthirster so choppy anyway? I always thought it was an intentional design choice

>>717966041
>>717966226
Imagine being targeted by one the chaos primarch girl...the horror.....

>>718008563
That empty space in the new hud is ugly.

>>717986098
>>717987535
Oh, I wish.
>Smut returns
THIS!

>>718011261
dow 2 is a great game if u like shitty games

>>718012473
apm is just what non-players like to point to as an excuse for why they suck. They hear the term so clearly all their bad decisions are actually the fault of them not clicking enough despite being matched with players who are also noobs and also dont have apm.

The original games crash all the time on my PC and I don't know why.

>>717997831
desu, the Night Lords are my favorite traitor legion because they aren't the coolest (outside of their aesthetics, which are genuinely cool) but because they're the exact opposite: in a faction of massive losers and failures, they are the most pathetic and cowardly losers. just like me

APOTHECARY READY

>>717947057 (OP)
so sick of this shit, it ends up flooding the community with whiny rich normies who impose a bunch of weird personal rules via social flooding on the tiny community that's left from the old games, and splits that old community in two based on who has a job or is neet/pajeet

plus all the meager talent that should be hard at work debugging level 4 is being paid a liveable wage for this slop

>>718015463
Try on/off Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling, Game Mode too or whatever it's called exactly,

>>718016126
what community gamespy has been dead for almost 2 decades

>>718016230
Already did. Seems to be a Dark Eldar or Sisters of Battle thing.

Can I get some proofs/quote on the improved pathfinding?

>>718016126
What did I just read, you ok?
drink water

>>718016483
What it actually means is anyone's guess.

Game keeps getting stuck on this.

>>718016605
Considering they don't even dare release review copies I'm guessing the improvements are trash

Game feels like it's ten years too late when the community has been obsessively fixing bugs and other hangups like the pathfinding and zoom levels mentioned in the trailer

I suppose this is just for people who don't like modding games

>>718016605
will orks be op if a squiggoth can get out of the base?

>>718016126
The fuck are you talking about? This game is deader than dead. There is no community.

>>718017154
Games these days aren't meant for anyone really. They are meant to make money

>>718017154
easier to get multiplayer games when its done in offical capacity
of course multiplayer aint gonna last very long

>>718015380
It's amazing the amount of denial people here have about RTSes being APM clickfests. No amount of imaginary scenarios and cope justifications will change the fact that all multiplayer RTSes are just that.

>>718017154
>tumblr "art"

>>718017189
Not really.
Squiggoths are good mostly for trampling and breaking formations.
They're actually better at killing stuff with their ranged attacks.

>>718017336
try playing one noob

>>718017336
whatever you do, DO NOT play diablo

>>718017336
I give you one better, all games are Puzzles with varying degrees of speed and hand-eye coordination. Only clueless retards thinks best way to solve RTS is to click faster. People can play starcraft very well and chill at 80APM, which is incredibly slow. Fuck off already.

>>718018423
>People can play starcraft very well and chill at 80APM,
No the fuck they can't. Maybe Starcraft 2. Not Brood War though. I'd say you need at least 150 EAPM to play T or Z, probably more. You could get away with 100 EAPM on P.

>>718011408
I'm subscribed and bell-ringed to that channel :)
the best one is the key & peele one, followed by the alex jones ones

>>718016261
>>718016523
>>718017213
what thread do you think you're in, who do you think is posting here? fuckin newfags

>>718021054
Mostly a bunch of people who haven't played the game in 10-20 years.

Game is too old/shit to have guides/tier lists to reference
What factions are good and pros/cons of each?
Alternatively where can I actually get info on this oldass game?

>>718021478
google still works, maybe askjeeves

>>718021606
No it doesnt google is shit

>>718021478
necrons and eldar are busted

>>718021478
spess: marines, kinda allrounder
chaos: spooky marines, weird
eldar: fireprisms avatar of khaine fleet of foot cloaked buildings teleporting builders
ork: waagh many units, infantry, melee, everythings got guns on it
tau: range
necron: 1 resource, deepstrike flayed ones, necron lord revives where last killed, rez orb
ig: tanks, sentinels, grenades for troops
de: fuck if i know
sob: fuck if i know