Thread 718011551

How do we save it

TF3 on source 2

Unironically by not fucking with it any further, no more shitty ass balance updates that fuck up the rest of the non-stock weapons that are still good, and no more shitty ass changes to the matchmaking to piss off the playerbase further.

Reboot with an anime girl cast

>>718011551 (OP)
Go back to a previous build that was before meet your match.

>>718011551 (OP)
By bringing back quickplay, simple as.

>>718011551 (OP)

Remove MYM

Revert all weapon and movement nerfs

shadowban all 6v6, highlander, and nocrit servers from the server browser

Remove keys and unlock every crate in everyone's inventory, return hats to random drops including unusuals

Shut down the steam marketplace

>>718011551 (OP)
troon exodus

>>718011551 (OP)
Balance changes. The zoomers need to learn to stop being such terrified baby faggots about their sacrosanct weapons that have in reality been reworked seven times in the past and Valve just happened to stop rebalancing them before they started playing.
Time travel back to 2011 and just do whatever

MOVE.
ON.

>>718013981
Never

Save it from what?

>>718013981
KILL.
YOURSELF.

>>718013981
>MOVE.
>ON.
To what?

>>718013662
Don't Bullshit Us Brother HH

>>718013662
>What TF2 is missing is forcing people to play on gay retard youtuber servers that people are actively avoiding
Sure.

>>718011551 (OP)
Valve gave modders all the tools to make their own TF3 because I guarantee you thats what they expect. Valve is so checked out on TF2 and they've made it so apparent they want the community to take the lead. But the truth is nobody cares.

>>718015203
marvel rivals

>>718013981
TO.
WHAT.

idk, tf2c looks dope

>>718016096
so true sister

>>718011551 (OP)
Remake it on Roblox

>>718016096
I'm still waiting for TF2C and Open Fortress on Steam
How long does it even take? It shouldn't take that much but maybe I'm wrong

>>718016357
theyre both very close to release apparently. it does take some time to upgrade the sdk and keep everything working i suppose

>>718016357
I can't wait to use broken shit like AA cannon + kritz and drive away every potential new player
Maybe that will be enough to make the so-called developers rethink their fanfiction additions

>mp_timelimit 45
>sv_vote_issue_extendlevel_allowed 1
That’s it. You could argue for a reversion to quickplay, but those two commands alone would fix at least half of casual mode’s issues.

#SaveTransFortress2

why are tf2fags unable to accept their game for what it is

>>718017138
What exactly is it that you want them to "accept" it as being?

>>718017138
Because it used to be objectively better 11 years ago, when Valve servers were perfectly playable and half the weapons weren’t nerfed into the ground

>>718015864
I don't remember there being any gay retard youtube servers when quickplay was a thing.

>>718016079
lol, lmao even.

>>718017442
>Frontloads your post with the quickplay demands before the way more reasonable "Hey we should roll back all the shit youtubers and compfags ruined"
You fags genuinely can't control yourselves, can you?

I dont get the bring back quickplay crowd, you should be asking for valve servers to shut down instead. Killing off pubs will bring back community servers and filter out faggots that cant figure out how to use the browse tab

>>718016079
no community servers

>>718017757
It makes way more sense when you realize
>Million subscriber youtuber who can't regularly fill a 24 player server is accusing Valve of misrepresenting a situation for personal gain demands Valve push people into their servers
Is a pretty severe and flagrant red flag.

>>718011551 (OP)
unironically undoing alot of the weapons nerfs to the sidegrades.

>remove Axtingquisher switch negative add firing speed negative and afterburn time nerf, but fire is no longer extinguished after hit, still minicrits, still speeds on kill.
>unfuck the ambassador giving it back its mincrits on uncharged headshots and removeing the firing speed penalty
>revert enforcer back to how it was and add an accuracy negative while giving it the armorpen
>return the Scout cleaver combo but with the giftwrap letting the cleaver minikrit on bleeding targets.

alot of shit like that, the only thing I cant really think of coming back is the Sandman stunn.

I don't really care about the youtuber boogeyman I just want a decent /v/ server that isn't only active on the weekends

>That community server ending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZNbYkhmfZs

>>718018068
If you ACTUALLY wanted that, you'd make a server and ask people to play, not run propaganda demanding Valve force people to play with you.

just start randomly calling it tf3 one day

Compfags ruined this game and the troons and furries are just the icing on the shit cake

>>718018282
>troons and furries as one group
>When furries had one of the longest running non-shit user servers.

>>718017219
whatever the game is right now as long as its in a playable state

>>718018272
good god so many video games are so fucking bad lol

>>718011551 (OP)
go back in time and stop meet your match update from ever being made

>remove Casual and bring back Quickplay's last iteration
>stop catering to compfags, tf2 wasn't built to be competitive, leave that mindset to the small fragmented idiotic community of compfags that are too dumb to play CS2, ASSFAGGOTS, Valorant or whatever else
>revert nerfs after MyM
>stop adding so many fucking maps, from last summer to this summer we got 26 maps
>change the "kill enemies pushing the cart" by giving it a 2 seconds buffer if they leave the cart
And the worst part? The community will ball wash Valve so hard just for the revert on quickplay or bringing features from quickplay.
The current iteration is just anti-human.

>>718018160
>demanding Valve force people to play with you
how is matchmaking not already this
I play with a few friends on casual all the time when I'm not on a certain rarely-active community server

>>718013662
Quickplay has been reimplemented multiple times by the community, and it has never made a noticeable impact on things. It's not a matter of being out of the way, either, considering that browser-based custom matchmaking for other Valve games remains more popular. The simple fact of that matter is that you don't want Quickplay, you want official Valve servers back; TF2fags just don't want to admit that because it means admitting that community servers don't matter in the slightest for 90% of them, and as such shouldn't be a qualification when moving on to a different game.

>>718011551 (OP)
TF2 Classic
>>718013238
Or this

>>718018746
>But you're playing on Valve servers!
By choice.
I also play on MY server, by choice.
You're demanding people who want to play in an environment not controlled by people like you are forced into an environment you run.
Once again you completely burn what could be a perfectly valid thing to complain about
>Valve retiring map presents for Merasmissions to get people playing in matchmaking in halloween
To bitch that people don't like you and are, in fact avoiding you and that this grave injustice needs to be corrected by the developers.

>>718019293
your arguments seem to rely on a lot of assumptions

>>718019134
It's not even that people dislike community servers, the problem is that retards are demanding people be forced to play with them.

>>718019371
I don't assume that people don't like you and don't want to play on "your" servers. It's apparent considering it is the first fucking thing you retards frontload your demands with and have been for over a year now.

>>718019293
Is Quickplay really forcing people to play on community servers if Quickplay has options to only connect to valve servers to begin with?
Besides, I think most people just want a reversion of the system where on Valve servers slots weren't reserved, team scramble is more of a thing, matches don't end after one (or two or 4) rounds (depending on game mode) and being able to join teams as you please again. Quickplay helps promote community servers, but it was also the last time valve servers were still acting like vanilla tf2 servers with no bells or whistles.

>>718019134
Nigga I don't give a shit about your imaginary enemy bring back
>45 minutes map timer
>extending current map
>make voting intuitive
>team scramble and autoscramble
>choosing teams
>team limits so that the # of players on each team is mostly balanced
Who gives a shit about anything else? The current way is either to choose from random ass servers or put up with the inferior casual mode.
Also whatever >>718020251 said.
There's no justification in favor of casual.

>>718020251
>Am I really killing the frog if the water I put it in is room temperature
Yes you retard, you're not as smart as you think you are.

>>718020561
Nigga, by default Quickplay was Valve servers only, you can still avoid the community servers through that and the only people who get put into community servers are the ones who wanted to roll the dice specifically through the option to do so. Again, I think the majority of people just want Valve servers to act like vanilla servers again, rather than play one match then wait for the time to vote, then the time for the map to load (or god forbid reload if it is the same map) then wait for the match to start again without fear of their team being completely neutered because of the casual system reserving player slots to people queuing instead of a "first come first serve" basis.

>>718020851
>NNGNGHGHG I'M ONLY DEMANDING (MARIGINALLY LESS RETARDED THING WITH OBVIOUS GOAL OF MONUMENTALLY RETARDED THING) STOP NOTICING I'M DEMANDING (MONUMENTALLY RETARDED THING)
No faggot.

>>718021032
Fine, how about a middle ground then:
"Casual" just becomes default quickplay that places you in valve servers that go back to how they used to be, no option to roll the dice on community servers, no matchmaking algorithm. You pick a starting game mode, then it will find you an available map of that game mode. Sound better you pedantic faggot?

>>718011551 (OP)
It's time to let it go.

>>718021183
>OK BUT WILL YOU JUST GIVE ME
NO NIGGER. FUCK OFF. IT'S NOT MY NOR VALVE'S RESPONSIBILITY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE YOU.

>>718011551 (OP)
Bring. Back. Quickplay.

>>718021449
Explain to me how the current Valve server structure is better than how they used to work previously. Ignore community servers for now, since you are hung up on the idea the only people that are against this want traffic to their servers. What makes Casual servers better than the quickplay Valve server ruleset?

>>718011551 (OP)
Do you guys still spend money on this? like hats and stranges, some like Kritzkrieg are fucking retarded and it makes my medic main arsenal lacking

>>718011551 (OP)
You don't. It's an 18 year old game that's ran its course. They're working on TF3 now, for as much as that means at Valve. (Quite possibly nothing.)

what's better, openfortress or tf2classic

>>718021621
OpenFortress is honest in what it is, and whether that's a good thing is up to you.
TF2C betrays its' concept pretty badly with the new weapons it adds.

>>718015203
>>718016081
deadlock

Remove most of the unnecessary bloat unlocks, all the hats and other cosmetic slop like unusuals. Remove casual mode and have the server browser be the only option to find games.

Would instantly improve both the game and the community 900%

>>718020438
>There's no justification in favor of casual.
Valve spends less money on a game they don't care about.

>>718018110
The legally distinct Caramelldansen was surprisingly funny. It's so close that it keeps catching you off guard when it's different.

>Add new australiums in the MvM mappack update coming out
>Instead of a golden pan, add a universal strangifier for any weapon or hat in the game
Done

>>718011551 (OP)
>How do we save it
Just don't play the intended experience, I've spent 95% of my hours playing hard deathrun and jump maps and I've been having a good time.

>>718011551 (OP)
make Pyro a woman and 100lbs heavier

Quickplay was objectively better than Casual and it's still baffling. Besides being outright broken when they added it, it's basically the opposite of the spirit of TF2.

>every modern game now has matchmaking rank bullshit
>Valve seea this and decides to implement it
>"Competitive" mode for serious games, ranks, etc. which is fine
>"Casual" basically does a lot of the same shit as Competitive without the seriousness
>can't ad-hoc join servers anymore
>no choosing to switch to the next map, extend the map, scramble, etc.
>this shit is so locked down and badly designed that it lets bots make the game unusable for years
>you will never have lasting sessions with any randoms and no sense of comradery, because the server essentially nukes itself after every round

Quickplay wasn't perfect, but it was fine for funneling people quickly into official servers and not needing to touch the server browser. You could play on whatever map or mode you wanted, come and go whenever, etc. Casual forces you to play the game in the most locked down, shitty way possible, so the ONLY other option is community servers.

>>718023059
Community servers that could offer everything you're demanding but are conspicuously vacant of players. Because the server DOES A CHANGELEVEL TO THE MAP PEOPLE VOTED FOR AT THE END OF THE GAME??? :OOOOOO

>>718011551 (OP)
It has outdated game design and isn't as fun to play anymore since gaming has evolved quite a bit in the past 20 years. The only solution would be TF3 but there's absolutely nothing Valve could do to satisfy TF2 players. There's a reason they hasn't moved on. TF2 players want only to play TF2 because they like how it plays while majority of fps community doesn't. They think if Valve starts dropping updates again this will revive the game but it's absolutely 100% won't. It's just not very fun game. That's literally it.

>>718023552
I'm interested, what part of TF2's game design has been left in the past that should remain in the past?

>>718011551 (OP)
More hats.

>>718023552
It seems more like it devolved to me.

>>718023552
I'm struggling to think of any actual fps advancements beyond menu streamlining, bigger player counts, and destructible environments

>>718011551 (OP)
"TF2 HAS FALLEN, BILLIONS MUST UNINSTALL" thread no. ∞

>>718024119
None of these would inherently help TF2 either. Maybe environment destruction could be fun in niche gamemodes but it wouldn't go well with the typical flow of TF2 matches.

what's the most fun server to join in if i value fun

>>718024404
One with your actual friends.

>>718023552
>while majority of fps community doesn't
TF2 literally invented the hero shooter genre you dipshit. Nobody wants to play TF2 anymore because it became all about crates and rife with bots, and people would rather played named heroes not randoms.

>>718024119
>actual fps advancements
wall running
crouch sliding
vaulting
cover shooting
grappling hook/swinging
jetpacks

>>718013981
I dont understand this mindset, do people not understand that games can keep being good despite its game?

>>718023673
>>718024119
TF2 gameplay is predictable. It doesn't have as many variables as most modern shooters and it doesn't rely on teamwork despite the name. It's mostly about individual mechanical skill while currently popular games offer a more "sandbox" kind of environment where you can express your game sense, adaptability and communication. That's kind of why Overwatch won. Blizzard brought more depth and competitive viability to a hero shooter.

>>718024901
The lack of player agency is what makes TF2 so good. Do you want to be the medic who enables pubstomps, or the steak sandvich heavy who rushes in and dies with his melee out? There is no right or wrong answer, just whatever you think is more fun at the moment.

>tf2 gameplay is predictable
craziest thing I've seen in a thread in a while

>>718024901
That's intentional though, TF2 was designed from the ground up to be a more casual experience, where you would contribute to your team not by rigidly following a meta, but by doing your own thing in service of the goal. You could argue one is better than another, but I don't think it is outdated, I just think it is a different core game design. I like it because it leads to a much more chiller environment, where you can't blame team mates, you can only blame (You) for not doing your individual job.
>Overwatch won
You gotta be baiting because Overwatch's meta became a shitshow, let alone Overwatch 2 which soured a lot of people.

>>718015864
Quickplay had the option to only join valve servers enabled by default at the time of its removal

Wanting to add onto >>718025353 after reading >>718025351
I didn't catch that from the initial post, that's so hilariously wrong. What's more predictable, a team of 6 choosing characters that have one loadout and set of abilities, or a team of 12 where 9 classes have different loadouts which enable different styles of play?
The only thing that is solved is TF2's comp metas, be it 6's or highlander.

>>718025139
>TF2 only has 10k Players! Screamed the guy who watches some retard with "Hundreds of thousands" of subscribers have a complete melt down that his server is empty

>>718025351
What I mean is it's rare you'll get yourself in unique kind of situation where you need to come up with unique solution (play).
>>718025353
>TF2 was designed from the ground up to be a more casual experience
Which doesn't align with current fps community as much. I think most people prefer complexity and high skill ceiling over chill bean bag sessions. Nothing wrong with it just different times and different preferences.

>>718011551 (OP)
just played on a warioware server it was very fun
save it from what ?

>>718025518
TF2 largely avoiding rock paper scissors game design is a fresh air compared to hero shooter bullshit in modern FPS games. There's extreme examples where a class is a complete hard counter to another like engies shutting scouts down and Pyro basically ruining spy, but largely any 1v1 scenario will come down to both players skills and gamesense. If anything class based shooters are healthier than hero shooters because of this.

>>718021743
I played Deadlock and it's a fun game but it doesn't scratch the same itch
There still hasn't been a replacement for TF2 that fits into the same "silly fun casual shooter to mess around in but with a high skill ceiling and player expression" category. TF2 is a social experience like no other and we may never have a replacement

>>718026223
You say that, but a lot of the competitive class based shooters (Fucking HATE the term hero shooter) aren't doing as well as they used to while games where throwing shit at the wall and not getting to overly invested in each individual match (Fortnite) are being played more and more.
Also, the meta for first person multiplayer games right now seem to be friendslop, more co-op and more chill.

>>718026159
Be deluded all you want

>>718026347
Agreed. And even in those extreme examples, there are things that a player can do mechanically and with loadouts to alleviate some of the pressure of that "counter", like scout cornerpeaking sentries with his pistol or dead ringer/spycicle against pyro (This one isn't perfect but there are options).

>>718024873
>Wall Running
Could be a cool ability for Scout, but not really necessary
>crouch sliding
There needs to be less adderal shooters on the market where people are sliding around on an ice rink everywhere. TF2 has Rocket and sticky jumping and only those classes get to do it, which makes those classes valuable
>vaulting
Not needed
>cover shooting
Wouldn't work at all for the kind of balance TF2 has, also not needed
>grappling hook/swinging
These have been a thing since arena shooters server plugins in the 90's, not needed in TF2 but there is a gamemode with one
>jetpacks
Half Life 1 had this with the long jump pack. TF2 has one available for the Pyro, nobody uses it because it sucks.

>>718025351
>TF2 gameplay is predictable

>>718023552
>outdated game design
Shut the fuck up, nigger

>>718016079
>capeshit
>hero shooter
>all hitscan and no projectile
>coomer baiting

>>718013708
>Soda Popper that gave you free minicrits for walking for 2 seconds
>Lock n Load with 120 damage per pipe
>Equalizer with no mark for death and damage AND movement speed increases
>Black Box giving you the full HP recovery for scraping a Sniper 2 thousand kilometers away from you
>old Degreaser + Flare gun / Reserve Shooter combo Pyro
>Tide Turner with insta-recharges and guaranteed crits
>old Demo in general
Also half of that stuff requires Valve to not give a shit about making profits off a F2P game which they are allergic to.

>>718026842
For the record this isn't a joke, some how some asshole dressed up as Freddy Fuckass and repeatedly appeared out of no where and decked everyone upside the head, to the point I had to check all the respawn cams every respawn to find him.

>>718023552
>TF2 Sucks!
>It doesn't have a million different characters who are only good at one thing that isn't enough to fulfill their role on their own!
>The Medic gives you healing and a buff?
>It should be one or the other, so you have at least two support characters on the team!
>The Soldier can choose between three different kinds of buffs, a mobility tool or more flexibility in dealing damage?
>That's too versatile! Those should be split across five characters so they're all distinct playstyles (Even though they'd suck)
>The Engineer can build every kind of support building in the game at the same time?
>No! There should be a turret guy who can't defend himself, a teleporter woman with a gun that's annoying to use, and a little gremlin who builds the dispensers that only give you armor pickups!
>Every player can't just press a keybind and clear a chokepoint singlehandedly?
>That's unbalanced, it leads to stalemates!

The biggest advantage TF2 has to all these other hero shooters, and why its' community has never left after almost two decades is simply that having fewer characters without overtuned roles is more fun and more fulfilling to play.
Not to mention you don't have to wallow in matchmaking Hell where you either get forced to play against shitters or against tryhards who are just as desperate as you not to be forced to grind through boring matches with less competent players to get to something on their preferred challenge level.

You can just play with whoever you want in TF2, no one gives a shit about winning or losing unless you're choosing to play on a server that encourages high level play.
TF2 is more accessible and less toxic than most multiplayer shooters, because it doesn't incentivize you to worry about how your teammates play. It's not a crisis if someone's trying out a different loadout, or a different class. It's not a crisis if you don't have a Medic, it's not a crisis if someone's new to the game. There's no collective punishment.

>>718027815
I mean the bigger issue is tf2 isn't a hero shooter.
These are two different things and we only have this conversation since the other examples of the genre
Day of Defeat is dead
Battlefield is EA and iirc went more hero shootery.

>>718027560
The awesome silliness of stuff like this happening is completely absent from modern shooters and it makes me sad. Call of Duty will sell you a 20 dollar bundle with a shitty assassination emote while letting you play as nicki minaj with a giant mutant niggass and it's infinitely less cool and funny than a guy with a heavy dressed up as freddy fazbear going around getting holiday punch pootis-pow kills on people or stuffing an uber

>>718011551 (OP)
Have being a tranny be a bannable offense
If I were to make a multiplayer game, I would unironically make being a tranny a bannable offense and automatically ban anyone with pronouns in their name 2 weeks after purchase so they can’t get a refund.

>>718021503
I haven't played Hydro in a whole decade

>>718028058
A hero shooter is a shooter with characters who have specialized loadouts and abilities, usually with distinct and memorable personalities. TF2 is absolutely that. It just happens to have 9 versatile characters with interchangeable loadouts instead of 30 with fixed loadouts and niche utilities.

>>718028346
Nah it's class based, which is why all its "competitors" suck shit

>>718028346
Isn't that just a class based shooter? If the personality part is the distinctive modifier, then that's kinda dumb because there have been class based shooters where classes have individual personalities, like Star Wars Battlefront.

Obliterate casual and keep quickplay buried, community servers only. I have no clue where this sloptuber revisionism about quickplay came from, every single person I played with viewed it as a retard funnel for inherently undesirable idiots from the start.

imagine being against the return of quickplay after 9 years of casual lmao

>>718028346
marketable and unique characters =/= hero shooter. It's just easier to do in a hero shooters because they can have all their cool sonic OC abilities to use (all on obnoxiously long cooldowns btw) because you want to turn your brand into pseudo-capeshit to sell a gorillion comics and figures of it.

>>718028637
Why yes after Gun Mettle through Jungle inferno and years of Valve matchmaking enduring intermittent botting attacks I don't at all want to listen to youtubers and their very great ideas on how the game "should" be played and needs to be changed.

>>718027371
All worth it to bring back my gunfu

>>718028652
TF2 literally did that. And people waited like a fucking decade with bated breath for the comic to finish.
If you're arguing that TF2 isn't a hero shooter because all of the characters share the same mechanics and only the Medic has an ult, and only a few characters have tools that go on cooldown, that's your prerogative, but I think you're just splitting hairs because you don't want such a blighted term to be applied to a game you hold in such high regard.

The truth is that every single Hero Shooter was created to "Do what TF2 did, but better and flashier." And they all failed by tripping over their own feet.

>>718028771
Then what's the solution? For Valve to continue to sit on their ass and do nothing, getting passive income from community work?

>>718028879
I just hate the hero shooter moniker in general because I have no idea what separates a hero shooter from a class based shooter.

Calling TF2 a hero shooter is outing yourself as someone who wasn't into the game before the forced rivalry with Overwatch, which means you got into the game in 2016, which means you barely experienced a pre-MYM TF2 (or more likely not at all) which means your opinions do not matter.

>>718028879
this whole conversation boils down to whether your draw a distinction between class based shooters vs hero based shooters and what would those distinctions be

>>718028901
>The Solution
To what problem?

>>718028771
lmao what does it have to do with youtubers, we're talking about reverting to a system that was 1000 times better than what we have today. I don't think zestyjesus or uncle dane invented quickplay.

>>718028787
I think the best way to balance this is by decreasing the amount of damage needed to run at max boost and increasing the amount of damage you can take before losing it all, that way it works the way it always should have: maximizing Scout's horizontal mobility for a more aggresive playstyle that you have to commit to, always staying on your enemy's face.

>>718029020
Casual mode's main issues
>Unabalanced team comps, reliant on an autobalance mechanic that only goes off "sometimes"
>Way too much down time between matches
>Reserved player slots for people that may or may not actually get into the game
>Everyone leaving at the end of a match because it is quicker to requeue
>The death of certain game modes like PLR.

>>718029168
The only real issue you've listed there is plr_ being unpopulated and that's a UI design problem.

>>718028984
Calling TF2 a hero shooter is outing yourself as someone too young and ignorant to know class-based shooters existed before Overwatch

>>718011551 (OP)
play classic (mute the troons)

>>718011551 (OP)
Remove Soldier

>>718011551 (OP)
Unironically stop playing it for good and somehow find an incentive for valvo to make TF3

>>718028984
I played TF2 on The Orange Box on the fucking PS3 of all platforms before I had a decent PC. It's a Hero Shooter, only retroactively. It's the model on which all other Hero Shooters are based. They all suck because they try to outdo TF2 on spectacle and scale, and it never works because they're missing the parts that actually make TF2 good. When they tried to bring TF2 more into line with the other Hero Shooters, it suffered for it. Because TF2 thrived on letting players choose how seriously they wanted to take it, and it wasn't afraid to let players experiment with different combinations. It also didn't require competent teamwork and strategy for a game to actually be fun.

When your team doesn't coordinate properly to push or defend, in TF2, it's not the end of the world. One good player can make up for three or four mediocre ones, as long as those mediocre players are at least trying to contribute. But in Overwatch, a competent player can't achieve anything because the other team's abilities just get free kills if you don't properly coordinate a push to overwhelm their ability to counter you.

>>718011551 (OP)
Make Zesty Jesus the new game director of TF2

>>718029071
They'd have to massively decrease how much you lose by being hit, as is getting tapped by a pistol shot makes you drop almost all of it
Honestly I just would remove the damage drains speed thing completely and instead have the speed buff slowly drain on its own, or make it a temporary buff or something, because having it drain by damage in a game with hitscan weapons makes it worthless. If someone's shooting at you that's the exact time you want it NOT to drain out

>>718029658
>I'm a super duper turbo old fag and I totally just use the vernacular of newfags
The only case this shit flies is Runescape Players referring to taunts as "emotes".

>>718029428
>>718029521
>>718029686
these make a perfect plan desu

>>718011551 (OP)
TF2 needs to appeal to its core audience and add trans and pride cosmetics into the game.

>>718028984
>forced rivalry with Overwatch
Have you played the Overwatch beta? It was literally a TF2 clone

>>718029821
Please by all means I fully support you retards quarantining yourselves to an alt client nobody actually likes.

>>718029839
you can already do that with decal tools kek

doesnt a hero shooter necessarily restrict only one player to a single character for the whole round? not single tf2 class can truly do the work of another

>>718011551 (OP)
>reduce overheal on kunai kill to 150 total health max or have it on a cooldown
>stop flare guns from charging phlog meter
>make vaccinator uber build 60% slower

>>718029961
That's not enough. The TF2 fans want more!

>nerf the classes who actually dominate the game?
>nerf the uninteractive and unfun ones?
>no let's nerf the barely playable ones who are already nerfed to the ground

>>718030345
But anon, my favorite youtuber died to one. So that means it's Bad
BERRY BERRY BAD

>>718029781
TF2 wasn't really a class based shooter in the first place, it just didn't have a better term to describe it in particular. The original incarnations of TF were class based shooters for sure. Most of the classes had one or two utilities unique to them, and more than a little bit of overlap otherwise, all built on the same baseline character. TF2 isn't like that. The characters have distinct abilities, specific roles that only they can fill, different hitboxes, and only two weapons are shared between classes in Stock configuration. And even then, the utilities those weapons present are totally different based on which class is using them.

add a girl boss class better than all before it.

>>718030675
Didn't read, you're a newfag, I want Day of Defeat 2 with 50 v 50 games.

Come home, Tf2/Gundam chads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leihG70fmBQ

I still don’t understand how community servers died so hard after MYM. The means of accessing the server browser may have changed, but it’s still right there. It literally says it RIGHT THERE. HOW DOES THIS FILTER SO MANY PEOPLE???

>>718011551 (OP)
It doesn't need to be saved.
It's fun,everyone complaining is either nostalgia-blind or just grouchy their game got an update.
Dumb fucks have been complaining about changes to this game since it released.

>>718032419
i think most people who play tf2 just want to quickly jump into a casual, they probably have like a map filter thats just bread space and maybe lakeside off.
they like clicking a couple buttons and being thrown into a casual server so they can piss off for a few rounds before going back to jacking off or wageslaving

>>718032419
Quickplay gave you the option to funnel into community servers. Casual is Valve servers only, so you have to go out of your way to click on the button below it.

>>718032419
A lot of servers were a bot some dude set up ten years ago and forgot about.

>>718030675
>The characters have distinct abilities, specific roles that only they can fill, different hitboxes, and only two weapons are shared between classes in Stock configuration. And even then, the utilities those weapons present are totally different based on which class is using them.
Star Wars Battlefront isn't a class based shooter with this definition, stop reaching.

>>718032419
>I still don’t understand how community servers died so hard after MYM.

>>718031731
Bandai incompetence has led to a good outcome. Huh, neat.

>>718021449
>>718021032
Stop having a screaming tantrum because other people are saying your beloved MyM is shit.

>>718032419
people do casual matches instead of servers because people want to play actual tf2, not tf2 with a bunch of faggy mods and eceleb worship
>b-but my personal private server that always gets 24/24 doesn't have constant minigame shit and/or no crits/no random spread/stock only compfag shit and also doesn't devolve into the server regulars sucking eachother off

may I see it?

>>718032868
Quit crying for nearly a decade straight because people would rather play matchmaking than be with you.

>>718032939
>>and also doesn't devolve into the server regulars sucking eachother off
>community is bad.

>>718032939
The people with healthy user servers don't bitch about matchmaking because why the fuck would they?

>>718026159
>>718028771
>>718029020
>>718032970
SolarLight, go back.

>>718032618
>>718032646
Maybe it’s autism but I like the search. I like sifting through the server browser, finding hidden gems and storing them in the favorites tab and wait until they fill up.

>>718033148
>No YOU worship retarded e-celebs
I don't even watch TF2 Youtube anymore.
It's literally all garbage.

>>718032419
New players are scared of getting their asses kicked because they think only sweats play community servers, or they won’t know how to play on them.

>>718033024
>community is when the medics all ignore you because you aren't their discord kitten
>community is listening to gay furry erp the entire match
>community is literal youtubers
nope.avi

>>718033285
No they just don't like you.

>>718033257
>>718033334
and yet you're here, in every single thread about the game, crying and shitting your pants because god forbid we insult holy matchmaking.

>>718033257
Zesty Jesus only makes peak

>>718016357
>It shouldn't take that much
Modern TF2's code is such a mess not even valve wanted to touch it anymore. TF2C and Open Fortress devs likely had an easier time with the older leaked version they originally worked with.

There's also the fact that the sdk insists on relying on the item server when it's obvious modders would want to implement stuff independent of it meaning even something as simple as adding new weapons has been a challenge modders have had to figure out.

>>718032939
>>718033310
You can tell someone has been a console kiddy their entire life when they think community servers are only trade or YouTuber servers.

>>718033310
this doesn't happen and I play on TFP, shounic's, and the /v/an (among others) where you'd most expect that and worse to happen

>>718033357
Yes you dumb niggermonkey I am in the TF2 thread because I ACTUALLY LIKE the game.
The question is why the fuck are you here? Beyond the status associated with being "affiliated" with tf2.

>>718033460
You clearly don't since you blindly venerate the system that piledrove it into the dirt in the name of owning the youtubers or whatever

>>718033383
He's slightly less faggy than most other TF2 youtubers but he's still a faggot

>>718033383
He makes the same unwatchable slop that is ALL modern youtube, and the modern tf2 youtube scene.
>WAAAAH WAAH WAAH VALVE BAD MY GENDER IDENTITY IS SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T START PLAYING WHEN THE GAME WENT FREE TO PLAY HERE'S SOME NUMBERS OFF THE WIKI I HAVE A MILLION BILLION REAL SUBSCRIBER BUT NOBODY LIKE MY SERVER

>>718033420
>TFP
cmon dude
>shounic, /v/an
these are minigame shit servers so idc. again I shouldn't have to go to the fucking furry server to get a populated normal ass tf2 map like in the days of the 'teek

>>718033562
No nigger I play Valve matchmaking when I want to play a quick game of tf2 and on the weekends I play with my steam group on an unindexed server because you think I'm stealing your boyfriend-free mercs.

>one fourth of the thread consists of an anon having a conniption over quickplay and the existence of community servers
>the same servers that were a safe haven(mileage may vary on quality) during the bot crisis
this a new schizoid? I've been out of the loop for a bit, but I don't remember this one. faggot come over from tf2g?

>>718033989
>Um actually you're the one from /vg/ because you're doing wrongthink
Seriously for five minutes, have a single coherent thought about why peoplr don't like you.

>>718018110
why does he keep drawing the pyro with a huge fucking butt dude

>>718033989
apparently everyone who wants community servers is a completely unlikable weirdo compared to him

>>718011551 (OP)
Remove all unusuals from the game, all of them, delete them from people's inventories, maybe replace them with regular versions of said hats if Valve feels generous. After that remove the retarded wannabe CSGo bullshit from it (casual/competitive modes, the retarded badge, skins), and then pay a death squad to kill every TF2 youtuber with over 50k subs

>>718034289
community servers and quickplay with vanilla servers*

>>718034289
Never once did he say you can't have community servers, he just said nobody wants to play with your communities.

>>718034656
thanks for reiterating

>>718034716
I mean you can act as smug as you want but he has a point.

>>718033989
Fags really addicted to watching a number labeled “EXP” go up. That’s literally the only thing Casual provides over Quickplay. Just some point dopamine rush seeing a number go up.

>>718013708
>shadowban all 6v6, highlander, and nocrit servers from the server browser
wut

>>718034656
>>718034827
this never works, jagoff.
>>718034289
$20 says its a bothoster still butthurt over the raping of 2024.

>>718034827
it's not smugness, it's just not caring about the apparent point since it doesn't make sense
>people don't like you so they won't play with you and Valve can't force them to play with you
>unless it's through casual matchmaking, then they can force people to play with you
>and matchmaking with another, better method (i.e. quickplay) is also bad despite it using vanilla servers because the option to include community servers, which was off by default, makes it bad

some two years ago, i was playing scout and burning. a friendly pyro extinguished me and ran towards a medkit, but i took it first and laughed into their face. they vote kicked me successfully. i didn't write down their name, but on that faithful day, i decided it was time to have my revenge against the tf2 subhumans that i had already grown to despise. i started kicking "people" for the smallest infractions, such as playing pyro and whacking the powerjack for no reason, which really irritates me, having a pyro pfp, saying stupid shit like "mmph" in chat, stealing medkits, purposely blocking my view while i'm sniping etc. i started writing them down in march of last year, and by this point i have vote kicked about two thousand degenerates, over half of them playing pyro. along with pocketing aimbot users when they show up, that's me doing my part in saving tf2.

>>718035202
I mean yeah what you're saying doesn't make any sense.
What arbitrary difference does it make to have the system match you into the same Valve servers but with a definitely optional toggle for community servers that we keep mentioning.
It's pretty obvious what you're asking for.

>>718013981
Why is TF2 only told this but not something like WOW or LoL?

>>718024884
>>718016081
>>718015203
you guys have to understand, most people who post shit like this are underage b& faggots who weren't even alive when TF2 went free to play, let alone when it came out. They cannot fathom how people can play video games that don't involve an incessant dopamine drip feed of battle passes and meta updates

>>718035420
so then it circles back to the differences between quickplay vanilla servers and casual quickplay servers which was outlined earlier

>>718035582
casual vanilla servers* my mistake

>>718034998
You mean the bothosters that are currently attacking user servers made in game?
Those bot hosters?

>>718028637
It's just unrealistic to expect Valve to completely undo casual altogether and change back to the old system, especially after that long. I'd like to go back to it too but at this point we're off just making them improve casual, all it really needs are timelimit extensions and maybe a best of 3 instead of 2.

>>718016357
>Q: Why is it called "Open Fortress"?
>A:Originally, Open Fortress was going to be open source. That changed, but the name didn’t. Now what’s Open are the ‘possibilities’

KEK fortressfags can't stop losing

Uncle Dane saved TF2

>>718035841
>Now what’s Open are the ‘possibilities’
That's literally what isn't open BECAUSE they didn't make it open source. They're so full of shit.

>>718017757
I don't give a shit about community servers, I just want Valve servers to have ad-hoc connections, team switching, a functional auto-balance, 45 minute map timers, and the ability to play on maps like Doomsday or Pipeline again.
It'd take more effort to implement these things into the current matchmaking system than to simply roll back the removal of Quickplay.

>>718013238
faggot the all male cast is what made it great

>>718011551 (OP)
You can't save in an online game, you fat retard

>>718034258
>Pyro walks up to the scout on Dustbowl
>The fucking Double Donk sound as his asscheeks jiggle

>>718033383
His weapon rebalance video was garbage. Makes it apparent that he only knows soldier and sniper and doesn't have a lot of experience on the other classes

>>718034258
fetish bait character even if fempyro never existed

>>718011551 (OP)
It technically didn’t need to be saved, valve just needs to sell it to someone who cares.

Clearly the natural intended pattern of Team Fortress sequels is that each one reimagines the same 9 classes. But TF2fags will never accept anything besides the TF2 ones (even though they're not even the ones who started the franchise), so we're stuck with them forever. It's always sad when an IP is foiled by expectations

>>718024772
>TF2 is a hero shooter
based retarded zoomer
>TF2 invented hero shooters
based retarded zoomer

>>718037189
Going to be honest, I'd be interested to play the other Teams that they showed in the final comic, even though they are probably jokes on the current state of characters in shooters being mostly the same things.

>>718037123
>valve selling their best game to EA/Microsoft/Tencent
lol, lmao

So what do you think Valve has planned for TF2's 20th anniversary? Do you think they have anything big planned or will Valve's attention be too split since it also shares a 20th anniversary with Portal?

>>718037312
>EA/Microsoft/Tencent being "someone who cares"

>>718024772
>>718037231
Actually you're both retards because if TF2 is a hero shooter then that would make TF1 the first hero shooter. Also is Star Wars Battlefront a hero shooter then? Because that predates Unreal Championship 2. I guess a true hero shooter is one where each class is its own distinguished character, as opposed to a generic soldier with a certain loadout

>>718037406
more emporium slop

>>718037406
If we haven't gotten new weapons or balance patches in 7 years, it's safe to say that Valve is truly done with supporting the game. There might be QoL improvements, but nothing that will shake the fundamentals up.

>>718037406
Who knows? Absolutely nobody expected the Half-Life 25th Anniversary Update to be a thing, and nobody expected HL2's Anniversary to be as substantial as it was, either.

>>718037406
heavy and medic gay sex taunt

why do tf2 youtubers overrate the soldier backpacks so much
they fucking suck compared to the gunboats or shotgun

>>718037728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1TVBwoRUi8

>>718037406
I mean the only thing I could think of TO do at this point would be a Source 2 port so the sdk could run on linux, but given Valve has been too lazy to put the S2 SDK out, or S2 tools for linux for ANY of their Source 2 stuff I don't think it'll fix the current issue that nobody can be bothered to develop stuff for TF2 that isn't already a quasi valve employee with a dedicated development station, or mentally ill with terrible opinions.

>>718013708
>Remove MYM
I haven't played this game fully since Jungle Inferno came and went
>Revert all weapon and movement nerfs
I would play this game again if they do this
I don't give a fuck how much seethe this causes they removed all of the fun out of the game by doing this bullshit and appealing to compfags
RIP Neonheights and GMG you GOATed server

>>718037406
Team Fortress 3 shadowdrop out of nowhere

>>718037406
>The final major update (for real this time) to make up for the full decade without one.
>New weapons, at least one for each class.
>Maybe even doing a complete retrospective through every previous major update in the game's full history (i.e.: giving Demoman the Gunboats from the WAR Update; continuing Mafia Monday, Timbuk-Tuesday, and World War Wednseday from the Uber Update; giving Heavy 4 new weapons and Pyro 1 consolation prize weapon from Jungle Inferno).
>More new maps, at least one of them made in-house by Valve.
>New contracts.
>Actual balance changes to bring some weapons like the Sandman, Caber, and others back to their former glory, with continuous support the following year or two to make sure every weapon is in a good state before sunsetting development.

>>718037945
Valve can't make a new TF game without alienating TF2's players, which would alienate TF2's economy, which would alienate CS and Dota's economies. They are stuck with what they got and decided to try something entirely different with Deadlock, for better or worse.

>>718038038
This is why online-focused games are fundamentally retarded. It's impossible to make sequels to them. How do you convince players to abandon an account they've been building up for years? You don't

>>718038184
cs2

>>718038184
It's why the games as a service model is bullshit. Multiplayer games doing things the old fashioned way did not have that problem.

>>718038184
I mean it's more the concept of Multiplayer game sequels at least in the internet age are kind of dumb.
Why exactly do we need a "new" "Team Fortress"?

>>718037865
>I mean the only thing I could think of TO do at this point would be a Source 2 port
Could that have been what the TF folder was about or is that giving Tyler too much credit?

>>718038272
You know outside of the fact that
>People are autistic about multiplayer game release dates
>The dev tools are for fucking Windows XP
Which isn't what people are concerned about.

>>718038272
What, you just want to play the same game forever until you fucking die? I love TF2 and all and still play it casually occasionally but I'm never gonna play it the way I did when it was new to me. I'd need a new game

>>718038272
because some stuff could really benefit from changing and being brought up to date with current tech. Maybe a small annoyance in teh grand scheme of things but I feel it every time my backpack is full

>>718038321
Tyler's a moron, but he's a moron with a dedicated tard wrangler at Valve, but as stated I wouldn't get your hopes up, it could end up like Left 4 Dead Source 2 (Valve thought it wouldn't be worth dealing with the turbofaggots that 'control' that game causing problems so it was just shelved)

>>718037989
i wish i could have your enthusiasm anon

>>718038378
I don't need Valve to take the 2 off the Team Fortress 2 Logo and replace it with a 3 for it to be arbitrarily "OK" for me to play Team Fortress.
It's also not the only game I play.

>>718038548
Hey dipshit. Do you see that "2" in TF2? That means it's a sequel. It's an elaboration upon a previous idea. Now, imagine an elaboration upon TF2. Wouldn't that be neat? That's called innovation. It's the whole essence of art. What you're advocating for is called stagnation

>>718031346
All they had to do was just extend that building across the window between the bridge by enough to cover that sightline on each side

>>718038695
yeah and valve stopped doing sequels over 10 years ago dipshit

>>718016186
it's already been done, anon.
https://www.roblox.com/games/328028363/Typical-Colors-2-UNVAULTED

>>718037406
Absolutely nothing. Screencap this and put it on your wall. Look to it every time you might delude yourself

>>718038753
>stagnation is good because Valve does it and if Valve does it then it must be good
Based retard

>>718038695
You're right, I guess I need to go take a shit and drag my ass all across the Alamodome field because football 2 hasn't been invented yet, because I'm a pretentious fucking tool.

>>718038272
>game's code has become such a frankenstein's monster valve don't want to touch it
TF2 ended up being a perfect example of why you do want sequels made.

sex with olivia

>>718038807
Nah part of me actually finds that to be the reassuring thing.

>>718038874
That's not even true, most of the "issues" with TF2's source code is ancient fucking dependencies on super depreciated middleware.
The developers don't want to touch the source code because there isn't really anything they want to fuck with.

>>718038895
While her older self watches.

>>718038823
Imagine if you told the people who made and played TF2 in 2007 that the industry would ever grow beyond that. That they would still be maintaining and playing TF2 in 2025. They'd think "huh, did the fucking apocalypse happen in the 2010s or something? Was there a global solar flare EMP that permanently halted the making of all games?" The levels of cultural stagnation these past 15 years is actually unprecedented (and this goes for all media, not just video-games)

>>718038816
never said it was good, retard
if you're expecting for valve to make a sequel for anything anymore you're even stupider than i thought

>>718039025
I'll be sure to tell them retards like you cry and pretend the game doesn't have over a hundred maps and weapons that totally don't count when I get there.

>>718039031
>Man I wish Valve still made games
>lol retard
You're like a bot programmed to be a faggot no matter what. You're so contrived

>>718039025
Nah even back then "old = good" was a pretty familiar concept.

>>718039112
Wow, over a hundred maps and weapons. All that goyslop just for you? I'm jealous

>>718038394
The backpack system was valve being retarded to begin with.

>>718039132
fuck no. There was so much optimism and hope for vidya in 07 it was insane

>>718039119
You're specifically asking for Valve to shit out "sequels" for their games completely unable to actually articulate what you'd even want out of said sequel beyond the fact that they are sequels and crying about technically inclined users saying they'd rather have SDK tools so they can ACTUALLY make new shit, rather than the same shit with another number on it.
Do you WANT call of duty?
Because you're asking for call of duty.

>>718039169
Don't get wide at me you started playing after most of the weapons were added.

>>718039132
In the 2000s, people were playing 2000s games, because they were good. They were living in the present, because the present was good, and they were looking to the future because the future looked even better. Quake 1996 was not the foremost online shooter in 2014. The fact that people are still playing TF2 in 2025, the fact that the Rolling Stones and Ozzy Osbourne are still winning Grammys in 2025, that is apocalyptically fucking dire for pop culture

>>718039206
>>718039426
There's some serious revisionism if you think people were optimistic back then. To put things in perspective. This comic is from 2007.

>>718039235
>either no games at all, or soulless annual obligatory Call of Dutys. There is no in-between
I don't even blame you for having such a defeatist mindset in an industry this fucked

>>718039619
The fact people are more fond of older titles than newer says a lot. No one cares for shitty DEI shit when tf2 is 100% more gayer without even trying.

>>718039637
Still waiting to hear your brilliance of why Team Fortress 3 is completely necessary and would magically make "the game" a million zillion times better.
At least the people asking for a Source 2 port and a better SDK have something material about what would improve about the game.

>>718039119
once again, trying to say shit i didn't say
making a tf2 would be pointless and even detrimental at this point considering how many fucking cosmetics there are, completely dropping tf2 would cause massive backlash if shit didn't carry over
>"then just overhaul it and change it to tf3!"
nobody liked it with counter strike 2 and overwatch 2, and nobody will like it if it happens again now

>>718039619
Yes, people always complained, brilliant discourse-changing observation. People also believed film was dead the moment talkies became a thing

>>718039762
I already stated all of this earlier in the thread. I was simply lamenting how TF2 is an awkward, unwinnable position where it can't grow or innovate without pissing many people off. I never said I have a solution, or that a solution even existed

>>718039762
Actually people mostly cope about CS2 being bad for some nebulous reason. With people that play it say it kinda sucks the dev tools are windows only, so all there is, is ports of GO maps since windows users don't make shit.
That and it taking too long for some of the community maps to be updated like cache.

>>718039705
>>718039773
That's my point though. "Old = good" was an understood concept even back then. If you told someone that people would still cling to tf2 in 2025 they'd grasp that tf2 would become this classic gem the industry never surpassed because that's already a familiar concept.

>>718035861
Uncle Dane saved deadlock by leaking it.
Absolute fag in all other respects but he did give us that.

>>718039619
a few complaints in the year of orange box, the witcher, mass effect, mario galaxy, etc. means nothing. Even shit like Crysis was pulling people. The general atmosphere around gaming was great

>>718040032
Arguably that also got valve to get their act together and get rid of the bots.

>>718039992
I just feel like, when the Valve employees were making TF2 in 2007, they definitely never intended for it to be this perfect timeless masterpiece that people seek refuge towards literal decades later because the industry stagnated so much. They're artists, and any well-intentioned artist is always seeking to improve and grow, just as TF2 improved and grew upon TF1. Not saying that they ever necessarily planned a TF3, but they definitely weren't planning on resting on their laurels for the rest of time either. It's just a sad state

>>718040202
Robin Walker hasn't shown any interest in continuing his work on Team Fortress for a very long time now. I don't fault him for it since he spent over a decade working on it, but it is indeed a bit sad to have seen it all end in the second game.
I still think that someone is going to be able to eventually make a true spiritual successor to this game, but it probably won't be anybody at Valve. Well, unless Valve ends up doing what Valve does and buys out the guys making "TF3"

>>718040089
Mass Effect was Bioware's first big step to becoming a console-focused company, it was originally a console exclusive and introduced the dialogue wheel cancer to the genre. This started the dominoes that led to one of the many reasons for the company's downfall. Witcher was interesting but stood out as a pc exclusive crpg in a industry that was becoming increasingly console focused at the time.

Orange Box was the real breathe of fresh air. But the entire reason games like Portal and Team Fortress 2 were so refreshing was how dire the industry was getting at the time. Of course people loved TF2 when ever other shooter was trying to be devoid of color and personality.

>>718040387
I don't want TF3 because it'll have women in it.

>>718015203
Fortnite

>>718040658
Why would female classes in a TF game be a problem if Zoey and Rochelle aren't problems in L4D, or if Alyx isn't a problem in Half-Life, or if Chell isn't a problem in Portal?

>>718040658
What if they're cute or hot women?

>>718040819
Because anon is posting on 4changs and le fitting in so good here.

>>718040819
>Rochelle
Okay buddy, lets not get ahead of ourselves here.

>>718013981
Nah.

>>718040941
She has a Depeche Mode shirt. Pretty based in my book. Then again, irl, there are no fucking black women who listen to Depeche Mode. Almost seems like a "how do you do my fellow white men" pandering poser sort of thing

>>718041020
Ironically, L4D2 may have caused at least one black woman to listen to at least one Depeche Mode song. We may never know for sure.

>>718037406
They have planned literally nothing for it. Valve are niggers.

>>718040095
Yeah sure Uncle Dane leaking deadlock and the bots vanishing within like a month of eachother was a total coincidence but also he deserves praise for it.

>>718040819
Because I'm pretty tired of niggers and women showing up in stuff for absolutely no reason. Logically this war fought in New Mexico during the 1970's is going to involve a bunch of white guys and the odd minority, who is Demoman for entirely comedic purposes. Meanwhile if I play anything else I get to enjoy some negro mammy with giant negro lips and a retarded negro face playing soldier, or whatever, for no logical reason whatsoever. I'm so tired of seeing anachronistic, retarded race-gender combos in everything and everybody being tight-lipped, pretending it's all good and normal. TF2 is one of the last video games where the character designers did not go full retard.

>tone down some of the "competitive" features
>try to make the new player experience better(short tutorial, make unlocking new weapons easier, maybe nerf sniper a bit)
>give players the feeling that the game isn't abandoned and that they are working on it(constant small updates, balance changes, etc), making the game feel "alive" would go a long way in keeping people invested

>>718041324
So why aren't you bitching about Alyx and Chell being nonwhite women? Because it's not "anachronistic" for their respective settings? What if TF3 isn't set in 1970s New Mexico? That's purely a TF2 thing, TF1 wasn't like that

>>718041537
I don't play games for faggots like Half-Life 2.

>>718011551 (OP)
you can't
overwatch won

>>718041537
>>718040819
Posts tits

>>718033383
>>718033626
>>718033630
>>718036893
Zesty literally browses the TF2 thread on /vg/

>>718033383
>https://youtu.be/vZgf1zl_nsE?t=20
Agreed

>>718040885
>fitting in
Half of the threads are filled with anime girl pictures. Preferring a game to stay male-oriented is a contrarian take

>>718041560
We've reached peak contrarianism now

>>718041752
Those super mean-spirited videos somebody edited of him losing his shit about trivial things, including /tf2g/, are very funny.

>>718029839
Troons only play TF2 for clout.

>>718041764
Half Life is woke. It has mixed-race people and black people in it. HL2 also supports woke censorship of female characters.

>>718041858
Post them

>>718041923
Is it your bed time yet dude

>>718041959
How am I wrong?

>>718041956
You don't have to look much further than "zesty jesus rage" on youtube, and someone already posted one of em itt

>>718041764
HL2 being worse than HL1 is an ancient take

>>718040819
Alyx in Half Life Alyx is ugly and has a quirk chungus personality

>>718042223
>I prefer HL1 so that means HL2 is bad

>>718042309
half-life 2 is bad now go back to kiwi farms

>>718042328
Your lack of a comma really isn't doing you any favors
>half-life 2 is bad now, go back to kiwi farms
Because now I can do that and make you look stupid

I still can't get over the fact that valve tried to turn this into an esport and it was all for nothing. They were still going to make bank off of retards buying cases, comptards were still going to ban fucking literally everything "tf2" feeling.

>>718011551 (OP)
>delete quickscoping from sniper rifles
>improve matchmaking
>increase match times
>cycle maps from the map pool
>fix blu scout's pants
>implement other community fixes to viewmodels, hud elements, etc.
>add more mvm maps and shiny new australiums
>have one last good weapon balance patch
>give heavy a separate weapon slot for lunchbox items
>let spy walk his normal speed with disguises as a toggle
>give gunboats properties to demo's booties
valve please hire me

>>718040819
>if Zoey and Rochelle aren't problems in L4D, or if Alyx isn't a problem in Half-Life, or if Chell isn't a problem in Portal?
None of those have gibs.

>>718042043
Okay I've seen them now and I wouldn't call them funny. They are trying way too hard to portray zesty as a lolcow.

>>718042559
>fix blu scout's pants
Didn't they do this? I remember there was unforeseen consequences due to some cosmetics being designed for the wrong pants but that was easily fixed.

>>718042909
they fixed it for a day and reverted it because of the cosmetics but community fixes for the blu cosmetics already exist so why not just import the fixes valve??

>>718042909
Scout just shat himself again after getting new pants.

>>718043047
>he double jumped too hard

>>718042890
Only trannies like them

>>718029686
He would cook

>>718035463
WoW is dead, blizzard killed it.
LoL players go insane and hang themselves.

Send every compfag to the camps so 5CP and KotH can be playable by normal people again.

>>718033310
I remember playing on a comm server on the orange map with bunnyhopping on, while some guy was micspamming peter griffin saying "NIGGERS NIGGERS"
It was fun.

>>718034258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJhbbY_R3Yo

>>718047123
and then he just went "fuck it" and embraced being a degenerate.

>>718037406
I bet they're going to put out another documentary, but I'd sooner expect an Orange Box retrospective than anything specifically devoted to TF2 or Portal. Maybe one last update for the road.

I hate hightower so much it's unreal

>>718042559
all good except for two things
>cycle maps from the map pool
one of the biggest things TF2 has over the modern market is just being able to play what you want when you want. you're not forced to play certain classes or certain maps.
>give heavy a separate weapon slot for lunchbox items
the balance of lunchbox items revolves around the fact that you're sacrificing your secondary for it (a ready to go source of damage that isnt melee)
its SUPPOSED to be a tough choice between a shotgun for damage or a lunchbox item for survivability/utility