Thread 718017475

>HxH game flopped
>Naruto Storm Connection flopped
>Nobody cares about any of the One Piece games
>Bandai has so little faith in One Piece and Naruto that their games got cancelled in the middle of production
>Sparking Zero hated and slandered post launch
>JJK game flopped despite being made at the height of the series' popularity
Bandai Namco has a monopoly on the anime industry's biggest franchises, some of them being cultural phenomena. Yet, when they make games for next-gen consoles they almost all seem to crash and burn. What can they do to fix this?

I propose a very simple solution.
Start making good games, not just shovelware and assume that people will buy it just because of the IP. I don't know how many more of these crap have to flop before these companies admit that it just doesn't work, they actually need to put in effort and make a good fucking game.

It is this simple.

Unironically Gacha games. They're the best way to move forward. Think about it: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and Dragon Ball's most profitable games are all Gachas right now. Bleach's new Soul Resonance game for example is about to be the ONLY game apart from Brave Souls (another Gacha) to adapt two decade old arcs, and One Piece's Fighting Path is the only OP game to go from Romance Dawn to Whole Cake Island with Wano on the way. They simply do a lot of things the console games can't or won't.

Gacha games make more money, gradually end up providing more content and more characters, they get the newly introduced characters first, they have the live support that modern gamers crave, and both mobile devices and the studios in charge have advanced to the point now where they're consistently starting to look better than the next gen anime games. Why not just turn the next anime game into a gacha, farm money off of the gambling addicts, and then watch as that money turns it into a solid game?

>>718017475 (OP)
arena mashers were never good

>>718017641
Unironically the goverments can't step in soon enough to regulate the shit out of gacha games to the point that it will no longer be profitable, because the masses are too stupid to save themselves from this plague.

I pray everyday, yes, I unironically want daddy government to save us all because there is no other way.

>>718017790
>S-STOP HAVING FUN

>>718017894
You're having as much fun as you are in a fucking casino and you are too stupid to see it.
This is exactly why we need the governments all around the world to finally step in and end this shit once and for all. People like you are the evidence that the masses are way too fucking stupid to free market their way out of this mess.

Just bring back something like Jump Ultimate Stars for the DS, but this time give it some proper fucking music.

I like One Piece Ambition

>>718018193
>give it some proper fucking music
JUS already had a good soundtrack.
https://youtu.be/DG6w6mGX20o?feature=shared

Did the new HXH game really bomb?

>>718017475 (OP)
we simply don't
overrated trash

>>718017475 (OP)
Don't make them unless it's a competent fighter like Fighterz, doing something original is instantly ruined by needing to make it non-canon by default

>>718017475 (OP)
Literally go back to whatever they were doing up to 2010. Anime video games were almost guaranteed to be fun.
All the people who knew how to make videogames were fired or left the industry somehow?

Someone reminisce with me, because I think there were dozens of good anime games.
Dragon ball had the GBA beat em up games (advanced adventure is kino, the other one is the only true GT game we have so I also like it), SUPERSONIC WARRIORS which in a tiny gba / ds did alternative stories much better than Xenoverse or Sparking Zero could ever hope to do with nearly 1 million times more budget. Seriously how much did those portable games cost? You could take any character and play the story with them in a fanfic timeline at like 5% the budget.
On the ps2 there was Tenkaichi and Budokai, one creating a new style and the other being a souls calibur / street fighter 4 style game. Also Attack of the Saiyans rpg.

Digimon pulled off World 1, 2 and 3, (all vastly different) an rpg card game, TWO fighters.. Shaman King had many fighter and rpg games, and a beat em up. Same for Naruto.


It comes down to variety, I notice a pattern. We'd get turn based rpgs, beat em ups, and card games ON TOP of fighting games. Get those creative people back.

>>718019825
The problem is any fighting game is going to be put on FighterZ's pedestal, and the only anime-game studio that can match up to that is Arc System themselves, and Bandai doesn't seem ready to kiss and make up with them yet.

GETSUGA

They should try different types of games instead of figtherslop, that shit all feels the same.

>>718022897
People always say they're sick of fighting games, but the problem isn't just the oversaturation. It's also the fact that Bandai just doesn't put any effort into anything. You get an RPG or a Musou and chances are it'll be just as half assed and ugly as the arena fighters are, only now a big chunk of the playerbase is alienated and it flops and they never do it again because Bandai convinces themselves it's the product's fault and not their bullshit.

>>718022807
TENSHO

>>718017475 (OP)
They insist on making low budget kusoge and hoping it sells by name recognition alone.
Even if they "fail" they probably sell enough to cover development costs and bring a profit.

>>718017641
>Bleach's new Soul Resonance game for example is about to be the ONLY game apart from Brave Souls (another Gacha) to adapt two decade old arcs
I never understood this. Even years after arcs are adapted to anime, video games often refuse to move past the early shit. It makes no sense.

>>718023945
Well I'm assuming a good chunk of the budget for these games goes to securing the rights. Then you have to take into account Bandai's time constraints and how much of the anime is reasonably adaptable, don't forget the fact that manga content is forbidden outside of a few exceptions. In Bleach's case they probably didn't think anyone cared enough about the Fullbring arc and TYBW has only recently been anime-adapted.

Soul Resonance, Brave Souls, and the other anime gachas are able to work because they're telling the stories in chunks instead of either adapting the whole thing but butchering it or just completely skipping content, and then the money they make is able to keep the quality consistent.

Bankai.

Senbonzakura Kageyoshi.

>>718017613
If connections came out in the early storm days it would of been loved 10x as much as any storm game.

These days people just want infinite live service slop.

>>718019629
It did, looking at the Steam reviews ASW phoned it in.

>>718026549
I wonder if an arcsys game would have faired the same.

Just make more Musou

>>718026920
Probably would have faired the same because it's an arcsys game, wtf.

>>718017475 (OP)
Did people forget about the Demon Slayer game released a week ago already?

>>718017641
The first problem with this is that it's all at a sacrifice. You get less animations, a more simple fighting system, and instead of getting all the characters for free you have to put up with a predatory gacha mechanic. None of these are things the average anime gamers want.

The second problem with Gachas is that they don't branch out either. They're worse than console/PC anime games. It's either shitty mobas, 2D mind-numbingly boring and easy strategy RPGs, or awkward genshin style ARPGs where you just whack the shield gauge until it breaks then juggle the enemy with a bunch of flashy, seizure inducing nu anime attacks.

>>718027541
The what?

There has been exactly ONE good anime game ever.

>>718027541
I just saw a gameplay video of it. They put WAY more effort into Kimetsu than they did to Kakarot.

>>718027541
>CC2 arena fighter slop

>>718027752
Nothing was good on the Dreamcast, did you ever touch that controller? Practically N64 tier

>>718028018
I had it at release, it was fine

>>718027625
Dokkan and Fate Go have better gameplay than most real rgs though, I give my 2 cents to those

>How do we save anime games?
You can't. The market for good anime games left in the 2010's when handheld gaming died off, and the scale of console gaming rising higher. You won't see any good low scale anime games anymore, like the DragonBall RPGs for example, since everything needs to be a large scale project designed to appeal to anyone who likes said franchise.
Stuff like Gunnm Martian Memory, a PS1 game which adapts the original manga and continues off with an original arc and ending, will never happen in today's landscape. DragonBall Kakarot attempted something like that, but it's complete garbage in it's actual gameplay since balancing how DragonBall feels was an afterthought by CC2. Sparking Zero is also garbage again, because of how large console gaming has gotten in scale. Nobody played One Piece Odyssey, Bleach and Demon Slayer are trapped in arena fighter hell. All of the developers who'd actually make good anime games will never get their hands on a license since Bamco snatches them up, and produces garbage.
>>718017641
Gacha will not save anime games, all they'll do is generate revenue which will go to nothing. Bleach could've gotten an action game with all of the money Brave Souls has been getting for the past 10 years, and we still ended up with an arena fighter. DragonBall Legends and Dokkan Battle has generated millions, maybe even billions, and Sparking Zero was a dumpster fire. There's no winning. Watch the new Neon Genesis Evangelion game by Sega be complete garbage as well.

>>718017475 (OP)
>>Bandai has so little faith in One Piece and Naruto that their games got cancelled in the middle of production
I'll be honest, I'm happy those got cancelled over Digimon Time Stranger.

>>718028557
>continues off with an original arc and ending
Funny how in that game's canon Gally was the daughter of the martian queen and then the manga used that in a different way by making it a lie and part of a scheme to kill the queen and in reality Gally was just a face tumor of the Baron's sister. Guy was just using his niece in his elaborate revenge plot.

>>718028557
>Bleach could've gotten an action game with all of the money Brave Souls
tbf, Soul Resonance will be an action game. Not only that but it's set to have a few mini games to it to, like Kido training and some kind of beat-em-up side scrolling thing with Toshiro.

The problem with Gacha games is that they've been so unimaginative. I think the recent OP game and this Bleach game are doing pretty great things though, and hopefully they end up successful so mobile anime games can finally break out of their shell.

>>718029132
These are Chinese games. kek Maybe Shueisha needs to take the IPs from Bandai and give them to Tencent, Mihoyo, nuverse, etc

>>718028828
>Get put through extreme torture and infected with tumors that are slowly but surely killing him
>Everyone you worked with also gets put through this so you can't even hope that they're at least fine
>Rationalize that the reason you're suffering is because of the karma you'll accumulate through future actions
>Devote the rest of your life to being as evil as you can be and destroying all who wronged you while not giving a shit about how many bystanders you kill in the crossfire because you already paid for that in advance
Muster was based.

>>718028828
I knew about the tumor part, but hearing Kishiro actually pulled aspects from the game is really damn cool. I really should catch up on Mars Chronicle sometime soon.

anime games are dead but honestly like the one anon said it's probably just bandai
I'd like to say "stop making arena fighter slop" would fix it but they do other genre and it sucks
"stop rehashing Saiyan arc over and over" but it's just as bad when they make an original story
It just feels like a dead genre, I won't pick an anime game up just because I know it's gonna be a stinker. I'm a huge OP fan and they even made a JRPG but I just can't trust it to be a decent game.

>>718029429
Kishiro loves revisiting old no longer canon ideas he had and then reincorporating them into canon. The epilogue sequence of Last Order used a lot of stuff from the original ending of Gunm that was later retconned at the very start of Last Order. Shame I'll fucking die of old age before the Mars flashback ever ends given how the next manga's title pretty much makes it look like it'll keep going and going and going.

>>718029467
>anime games are dead
Nah its more alive than its ever been its just that the good ones aren't coming from Bandai and the ones that get the most focus are gacha slop

>>718029467
> I'm a huge OP fan and they even made a JRPG but I just can't trust it to be a decent game.
Ambition is pretty soulful, but a lot of people put off the combat because it's a beat em up. I like it though, it reminds me of those retro arcade games. Plus Fighting Path already fills the action game itch.

Wasn't that Bleach game supposed to be decent?

Any anime that could be a fun game are old and forgotten, unfortunately.

>>718017475 (OP)
One piece pirate warriors still getting dlc

>>718029824
holy shit why are the cutscenes so good?
https://youtu.be/jY4J0Jne4_c?t=1269

>>718029975
It lost m
e when I saw that it's only going up to Aizen's defeat. We already have more than enough bleach games like that. ALL these anime games share the same problem. The same stories get adapted and the same characters are there.

>>718018714
It does have a really good animation for the cutscenes

>>718018714
Zoro bros...
Sanji is beating our ass again

>>718029610
>Shame I'll fucking die of old age before the Mars flashback ever ends
I'm feeling the same. I thought it'd end with Mars Chronicle, which is why I stopped reading for a while, but knowing the next manga releases soon has me a bit worried about when it'll end. I know Kishiro's just entering his 60's and seemingly in good health, but I do miss his other works outside of Gunnm. Just hoping he can complete the story while still having enough time to create other works, if he desires it.
>Alita Quest
Beautiful finale. I'm glad Kishiro went back to Figure Four, Ido, and Koyomi since he had to compromise on the original ending for Gunnm. I'm still a little fucked up over Kanya's death.

>>718029975
no?

>>718029975
Sweaty ruins it

>>718030489
>>718030606
I think the cutscenes do the game a desservice sometimes because there are so many other soulful things about the game that go under the radar.
>Characters you rarely see are fully playable like Gaimon and Richie
>(simple but fun) monthly minigames like multiplayer Yagara races and cooking for Luffy
>Ship collecting and ship battles (I think these are shit, but I appreciate the effort)
>newly introduced characters get their own events, Ace for example got challenges where he fought marines, other pirates, had a tower defense ship battles with his striker, all leading up to a battle with blackbeard
>combo ultimates with allies
>beautiful menu animations for new characters
I think the pvp combat sucks because it turns into this mix of a beat-em-up and a fighting game and it's all awkward, and because the game has been too f2p friendly they've been trying to overcompensate recently to bring back the whales so the game doesn't get shut down.

>>718029975
People really wanted that game to be good and last long but then again it might just be Bleachfags being insecure as always.

>>718017475 (OP)
You can't make good anime games because no anime in the last 25 years have been good.

>but i like this anime, therefore it's good

Thats nice, but just because you like something doesn't mean it's good.

>>718017475 (OP)
I will dig for another OP grand battle

>>718030936
is this the game with kid shanks

>>718031235
Yeah.

Just make 2D fighters like Fighter Z and but not tag slop.

>>718031525
>Just make 2D fighters like Fighter Z
Why do people always assume that everyone wants fighters? This is worse than arena slop

>>718017475 (OP)
>caring about licensed slop

>>718027504
its not an arcsys game they just published it

>>718031073
>no anime in the last 25 years have been good
Are old good new bad fags the most pathetic anime watchers? You have no idea what you're even missing because you're too closed minded to know about it.

>>718017475 (OP)
My ideas, speaking as someone who doesn't design games.
>Hunter x Hunter
2D JRPG with an original story set across all major continents of the HxH world. Kind of like a Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy, with a queue taken from Final Fantasy 3, that it starts on Greed Island and after a lengthy intro you get the REAL world map.
>Naruto
3D JRPG with an original story set across the entirety of Konoha and Suna. Focused on party optimization and structuring teams in order to maximize efficiency and introduce an excuse to not make canonical team combos.
>One Piece
Again, 3D JRPG. These battle anime are about cool abilities so having them on command like that makes more sense (especially for an adventure series like OP).
>Dragon Ball
3D ARPG that is NOT like Kakarot set during the original Dragon Ball series. Encouraged to not use kinto'un by having it not be useful for scouting areas, and content includes the main series, with side missions dedicated to the three major films and all the filler episodes.

I want CC2 to make a Fire Force arena fighter and a Black Clover ARPG.

>>718017475 (OP)
It's not an anime game problem, it's an adaptation problem. They're not video games, they're third party IPs being adapted to a video game. That requires spending money on the license, which means less money for the game's budget, which means a developer worth their salt isn't wasting their time on it and anyone who does is doing a perfunctory job and hoping they just make money off the brand.

>>718029824
>>718030936
Yeah I think the complaints about the combat are valid, but one thing that can't be argued is that's pretty much the best looking One Piece game we've ever had. I said that to a bunch of normie retards on twitter once and they freaked out because it's a mobile game. That was literally the reasoning used and i don't understand it

>>718032417
I don't care its mobage so its garbage

>>718032417
>and i don't understand it
I think a lot of it is subconscious console-war bias. They find it absurd that the console or PC they spent all that money on, and the game they spent $60+ on is being outdone by mobile gachaslop. What they don't understand is that mobile devices have simply gotten more powerful. You can run the first naruto game on them now.

They are never going to beat actual AAA games in graphical quality, nor can they compete with all the fancy features and bells and whistles next-gen games currently offer, but in terms of art direction, modern anime games have completely stagnated, especially since CC2 and Arcsys do all the heavy lifting. Simply not making the environment look like a shitty unreal tech demo, for example, goes a long way

There's also a lot of things that gacha games can get away with. I think Sparking Zero will do a good of a job as they can with SS4 Goku's Super Kamehameha, but what made it awesome was how big the beam was, it breaking through all three realms and the explosions. SZ can't do all of that. Legends can though. They didn't before because they like to downscale and then sell better/more faithful characters later on, but they absolutely can do it. They've gotten more comfortable with adding backgrounds and props to ultimate attacks, and the explosion and beam VFX are bound to get better with the ram update so when SS4 (adult) Daimaku gets his inevitable Ultra that Kamehameha will be immaculate and only bested by DBZ Kakarot

>>718017475 (OP)
>Bandai Namco
That's your problem.

Just lets ASW make the graphics,

When are we getting a new jump crossover game.

Only Dragon Ball gets any effort on games nowadays. And even then it's barely any at all.

>>718033668
>Battle Hour 2028-2030
>Secret project gets announced
>But as a teaser poster of Goku and what is clearly a new time patroller, very obviously Xenoverse 3
>looks like a better looking version of those CGI renders characters always have during DLC announcements
>fanbase implodes and spends the next several months discussing it,
>"oh yo this is so hype bro fr fr" "DB fans eating GUD this year" "so dope bruhs no cap" etc
>shitflinging to and from Sparking Zero and FighterZ fans ensue
>*meltdowns at any kind of "negative" opinion on the game whether they be pessimistic trolls or legit realistic reactions based off of Dimps' history and Bandai's greed and unstable environments
>6-9 months later, we get full trailer
>...it's more or less the same as Xenoverse 2
>the graphics look better, oily sheen is gone, some of the older models are touched up but still NOT what you'd expect from a DB game in 2030
>the story seems to be a retread of XV2 since infinite history - beat up the purple character, get some help from guest star, insert cool CGI scene
>more customization options at least
>15 seconds left and the camera pans to the villain and the trailer ends before we can get a good look at who it is
>some copium is there about potential what-if content, possible but as more marketing comes in, increasingly unlikely
>fanbase implodes
>85% are gleefully consooming, 15% expected more
>"hurr not every game needs to look like FighterZ durr durr" "blud wants ssj4 broly versus baby vegito black ain't nobody want that fanfic shit go play heroes LMAO" "ugh dragon ball fans don't deserve anything SO UNGRATEFUL REEE" etc
>*Any critique towards this game is meant with aggression, retarded takes and strawmanning until 2 months after the release and the hype dies down and the hivemind breaks apart*
Screencap this because this is more or less how Sparking Zero went down.

>>718032902
>baki the faggot
Ratchet negs

>>718017475 (OP)
sparking zero was hated prior to launch, only shills ignored it's blatant flaws

>>718034632
I remember how aggressive people were when it came to defending Sparking Zero. One of those DB influencers (guy who made webm related) simply said it needed another year in development because some of the models looked half baked and he got harassed hard.

And that's pretty much how it was until the game released.
>durr wait until the game releases first before you complain durr (they still defended the thing in question when the devs didn't fix it)
>bE gRaTeFul
>duhh just play BT3 if you want that old shit back
I can go on, but that was pretty much the gist. And I expect Xenoverse 3 and any other future game to follow suit. This fanbase is bafflingly anti-standards and anti-consumer and any thing the franchise makes is looked at as if it was made for free by a struggling indie team.

>>718034989
DBfags consume slop it doesn't matter and Bandai knows they can get away with anything with them and why they churn out the most games whereas they'll gleefully cancel One Piece and Naruto games because they know they wouldn't get away with cheapening out in regards to them

>>718017641
One Piece has a gacha
Naruto has a gacha
Bleach has (had?) a gacha
Dragon Ball has a gacha
JJK has a gacha

>>718033427
It's going to be a gacha pokemon unite ripoff

I miss DBO

Need more ZOIDS games

>>718017475 (OP)
>Bandai has so little faith in One Piece and Naruto that their games got cancelled in the middle of production
>Keeps updating Pirate Warriors and Shinobi Striker every year
>Kakarot and Breakers keeps getting updates too for whatever reason
Yeah, okay.

>>718036983
>first Dragon Ball game with a custom character function
>Also spearheaded by Toriyama himself, he designed the world, the story, the new characters (including the CAC presets), the endings to most of the characters in the series, and anything made by the studio had to be okayed by him to maintain that authentic DB world
>to reiterate, this game (before Daima completely destroyed canon) tells you more or less how the series ends, Goku and Vegeta have a final battle in space where neither of them come back from, Gohan writes a book popularizes martial arts and introduces ki to the population, tien and krillin revive the turtle and crane schools, Buu makes a family after reading roshi's pornos, etc etc

>the game turns out to be a wow clone that gets regionlocked to Korea
>shuts down

>>718037246
>Bandai has so little faith in One Piece and Naruto that their games got cancelled in the middle of production
One Piece despite having dabbed and many genres have all either underperformed and flopped so it makes sense but Naruto has been stuck in arena fighter hell for over a decade now

>>718031584
t. Filtered brainlet
What genre should they be then? Shitty musous? Shitty action games that play shit? Shitty 4-niggas in a row?

>>718037812
Then you wonder why fighting games are practically dead

>>718020446
>>718028557
Doesn't 3DS have DBZ and One Piece fighting game by Arcsys that can literally be linked together for crossover fighting match?
Though that feature was only available in Japan, because the One Piece fighting game wasn't released outside

>>718036983
We got the kind of lore we'll never see again from this franchise, aka an epilogue.

>>718037373
This is all a decent alternative as a possible ending / closure for those who didn't like GT. It's a tossup between those 2, I much prefer them to DBS and Daima which are also possible choices not compatible with each other.
Dragon Ball looking like Fate stay night now, 4 possible routes after Z

>>718017475 (OP)
Make Jump Ultimate Stars 2

>>718038109
Yeah they were creative back then.
Although I fucking hate that dbz game because it's a massive waste of resources. They made 20 fun characters with like 100 different supporters with their own art and sprites.... and the matches are over in like 30 seconds. Nobody cares enough about that game, but I wish someone would hack it one day just to multiply hp by x10. It's no fun if you barely use any moves and the enemy dies, if I had to struggle for 1 or even 3 minutes for that victory it'd have been impressive for a handheld original.

I don't want to play as Luffy in One Piece games.

>>718038457
BASTARDS

SO THEY CAN MAKE A GAME THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE THE ANIME (which was Tenkaichi's thing) BUT DECIDED TO GET CREATIVE WITH SPARKING

>>718038457
I think what pisses me off the most is two things
The first one being that both Naruto and the demon slayer games got great explosion effects, but for Kakarot they're all orb or dome shaped. A minor nitpick but it kinda ticks me off.

The second thing being both games had unique ultimate combos, while Kakarot only has that shitty reused attack string + generic blue beam. Literally Dragon Ball legends tier.

>>718038539
One Piece supersonic warriors. Actually the ps1 games were like this iirc, you played a character in fights until getting into fanfic territory with them beating everyone.
I remember Zoro killing Mihawk at the end. Ah there, I found it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w5UYoPES3v4

This but updated to current anime canon would be cool. Grab any fighter and fulfill their dream winning all fights.

What do we do with Naruto?
>Idk make it a fighting game
What do we do with Bleach?
>Idk make it a fighting game
What do we do with Baki or Kengan Ashura?
>Idk let's just ignore those, they wouldn't make good games anyways. Now, back to shitting out another cheap Naruto fighter

>>718039079
>they wouldn't sell anyways

FTFY

>>718017475 (OP)
xenoverse solved anime games even if it's not done completely right. Anything short of it is a waste of time

just make a new jump ultimate stars

>>718017475 (OP)
Just make Ultimate Extreme Stars that plays identical to Super or Ultimate and just figure out how to do panels on a single scree. It's insane how they have a solution staring them in the face and they keep making stupid garbage like Jump Force.
>What can they do to fix this?
Stop making games with the budget of chewing gum. Every single anime and tokusatsu game they make has no budget unless it's Gundam, then they get some toothpicks to go with the chewing gum. Make a game with an actual budget. Even back in the PS2 era you had games like that Inuyasha JRPG, the Wonderswan had tons of solid sidescrolling Inuyasha games, GBA had solid Shaman King beat 'em ups and even a monster collecting game (Albeit low budget), DS had Super and Ultimate Stars, every system had Budokai, GBA had those Naruto RPGs and GC/PS2 had the action adventure games, etc. I don't understand what the issue is.

>>718037990
>Dead
>When they're more popular than ever
Stop giving your ignorant opinions you filtered brainlet.

>>718039595
>Every single anime and tokusatsu game they make has no budget unless it's Gundam,
>Gundam
>games

>>718039704
>When they're more popular than ever

>>718039290
Baki would absolutely sell, at least in JP

>>718039772
>His rebuttal is CoTW
HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA! What game filtered you, I'd love to know.

>>718039710
The Overwatch clone wasn't that far back, but the point is that those games out of everything seem to get slightly higher budgets somehow. Even basic SRW stuff gets more attention and effort put into them than normal anime games. Hell, this extends to Tokusatsu games as well with Super Hero Generation and Ultraman All Star Chronicle feeling like they have more love, budget, and effort put into them despite being basic SRPGs.

>>718039595
The story to jump force pisses me off so hard. Not as bad as the graphics did but a close second. I know these studios aren't the most creative bunch, but how hard could it be to make plots about characters being in the wrong reality?
>oh no! Majin Buu is eating whole cake island!
>What!? The demons from Kimetsu and the hollows from Bleach are having a turf war???
>So...There's this lineless, magicless midget with two giant swords running around Easton Magic Academy and screaming like a retard. We're trying to stop him but he's nullifying our magic!
>(insert JJK Chainsaw man crossover idea here, I don't watch either)
The list goes on and the possibilities are limitless

>>718039790
>Baki would absolutely sell,
No it fucking wouldn't. Baki is incredibly niche unlike something like Jojo

>>718039842
I accept your concession

>>718039970
>Present no argument
>Gets laughed at for being a retard
>"I-I-I accept your concession.
Still, I'd love to know which game filtered you.

>>718039595
Reminder that the retards at Spike shat out Jump Force and OPM just so they can put all their effort on Sparkling Zero

>>718017475 (OP)
you have to bomb Bandai Namco. they own all the game licenses, they are the problem. things will never improve for anime games as long as Bandai is still around, just like things will never improve for DC as long as Warner Bros are making all their vidya decisions.

>>718040036
>Gets proven wrong
>f-f-f-filtered

I accept your concession. So much for fighting games being alive

>>718039912
Nips love Baki, my guy
You don't run a manga for 35 years straight if it's niche

>>718017475 (OP)
DBZF sold well so the solution is to simply make a good game.

>>718039079
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3469230/Baki_Hanma_Blood_Arena/
It's getting a Punch Out game very soon.

>>718039912
He's talking about in Japan which it likely would. Baki even does crossovers with random gacha like Yakuza's gacha. It also has been gaining some visibility in the west because of Yuujirou threatening to rape Trump and Elon and people comparing it to Jojo or posting things like Baki eating the invisible food with Yuujirou and fighting the invisible grasshopper.
It's niche in the west but in Japan it's not as niche.

A new Jump! Ultimate Stars for all platforms, with a good art style, diverse roster, and tons of manga fan service, would be the closest thing to a real Smash "killer".

>>718040092
>"See, I posted a game that everyone said would be a flop! Fighting games are dead!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Man, you must still be upset over being filtered.

>>718040204
>>You don't run a manga for 35 years straight if it's niche
It runs in low publication magazine for a little over a few thousand sales and despite having many spin-offs they sell close to nothing. Its niche.

>>718039704
fighting games getting commodified and absorbed by eSports is not the flex you think it is. Pokimane owns EVO. lmao

>>718040290
>FIGHTING GAMES ARE ALIVE
>Except that one...

I accept your concession

>>718040235
>>718040204
>>718039790
>>718039079
Reminder that people said the same thing about HxH and that sells 50 times more than Baki. I wonder how that turned out

>>718017475 (OP)
They need to make a Super Robot Wars-like for Shounen Jump heroes. I don't get why they have never tried that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7mAcX3q2bk

It's hilarious that SRW survived while they ended up cancelling Naruto and One Piece games.

>>718017475 (OP)
A game where you play as the TRVE HERO of One Piece would save anime games.

>>718040449
>They need to make a Super Robot Wars-like for Shounen Jump heroes

Make it like Project X Zone and it'll sell like hotcakes

>>718040437
trvth apvcvlypse

>>718040354
>Retard thinks one niche game represents the entire genre
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I guess RPGs are dead too because the newest Dragon Age game was a flop, amirite?

>>718040530
meant for >>718040515
fuuuucccckkk, GODhawk is just so. fucking. STRONG.
i can't help but leap out of my chair and KNEEL everytime i see him
WHAT A BEAST.

>>718040449
SRW is barely alive as is and they were close to canceling the franchise entirely. The games nowadays feel so fucking restraint and safe

>>718040592
>I guess RPGs are dead too because the newest Dragon Age game was a flop, amirite?
Nobody but Nips give a shit about DQ. What a terrible example

>>718017475 (OP)
Just make either dating sims with the anime women or an RPG where you are an OC who can romance the females.

>>718040682
>DQ
Honestly, how are you this stupid? How could you even assume I was talking about Dragon Quest when I clearly said Dragon Age. Goddamn, not surprised you got filtered if you're this fucking stupid. You were probably holding forward to block and wondering why you kept getting hit.

Two major problems exist with using anime for games:

1) They almost always end up in boring 1v1s
2) There's little point in anyone other than the main character, and maybe a singular friend, fighting.

Kenshin? If you're not Kenshin you may as well not bother.
DragonBall? Unless you're Goku why are you even here?
Who the fuck even matters in Inuyasha's party besides Inuyasha?

The writers try to help this by having the side characters fight other side characters but ultimately what's the fucking point? When Kenshin went to go fight Shishio, Kenshin's friends knew they were useless and they were only there to fight mooks that Kenshin could easily defeat. The characters themselves even said so.

>>718041064
Not an argument.

>>718017475 (OP)
By giving me a new Gundam exvs home console release. Fuck arcades.

>>718017475 (OP)
I am surprised we are yet to see a Re:zero Soulslike, you would think that's an idea which can't possibly fail to be a hit.

>>718041263
Nobody wants to play as Subaru

>>718017475 (OP)
>Better Budget
>Somebody who gives a fuck
>Maybe dabble in different genres

Will Mashle ever get a game?

>>718041064
true

>>718043498
What is Mashle?

>>718017475 (OP)
Lol a proper made dota like game top down or 3d works but only if you do it right

>>718044289
Harry Potter if he were a Muscle Wizard

>>718044482
Black clover if Asta was in hogwarts and had Yuno's personality.
Alternatively, Saitama in Hogwarts with Mob's looks.

>>718045050
meant for
>>718044289

>>718037419
Every anime IP ever is stuck in fighter arena hell because its just a cheap cash-in to make to simply get readers/watchers of said IP to throw some money their way. Its basically what gacha games are but for consoles. And they always manage to make money off of it because Japanese fans are completely obsessed with the material. They wouldn't be shitting them out and purposely losing money, they are seeing returns because of how a large majority of the fanbase is crazed fans.

>>718022897
Black Clover tried to not be a arena fighter. It still looked utterly shit and slow as fuck.

>>718017475 (OP)
By actually making a good anime game. They could make easy bucks if they actually adapted the story properly in a video game format and make the gameplay turn based. One Piece for example has characters that could easily fit into traditional RPG classes, but they will never utilize it.

>>718017475 (OP)
Bandai Namco has to be destroyed and salt needs to be scattered on its' ashes.

>>718017475 (OP)
even the arena fighters wouldn't be so bad if they weren't so lazy and formulaic. the Ubisoft Naruto games are still some of the best in the genre because the story mode isn't just a list of fights with some cutscenes between them. there's an actual Konoha to explore and do lite RPG shit in. you actually walk to the Hokage's Office and accept missions, then run and leap across rooftops to a shop to restock your inventory, then run to the village gate. there's a sim experience between fights.

and in one of them, i'm pretty sure you ran out into the surrounding forest and had to find a gate leading to the zone where that story mission occurred. fucking Budokai Tenkaichi 2 even had that whole overworld map you would fly around and look for events on. these games used to be more than just menus, cutscenes, and arena fighting. we need to get back to that. i would pay out the fucking ass for a My Hero Academia game like Rise of Ninja. Jesus fucking Christ that could be cool.

>>718046213
now that i really think back on it, you did have to explore the forest, too. cause i remember having to perform techniques outside of battle to solve environmental, exploration puzzles. like creating shadow clones to make a bridge outta them, or using the Rasengan to destroy obstacles in your path.