Thread 718082567

"There were more sports cars in the parking lot in the PS1 era than there were in the PS4 era, because if you're selling 20 million units at $60 for something that only cost you $10 million to make, that's different than selling 20 million units at $60 for something that cost you $160 million to make."

>>718082567 (OP)
games already cost more because of microtransactions

>>718082567 (OP)
just make games for 10 million dollars then

go ahead, make them more expensive, let's see how many will still buy it

>>718082567 (OP)
ok. make the games 300$ a copy then. what are they waiting for?

PS1 was PRE DOT COM BUBBLE BURST ERA
boomers always forget to include this

damn that would have been one expensive game

>>718082795
>>718082851
too many lazy poorfags who don't care to make enough cash to buy stuff

What a dumb fucking cunt that guy is.
>waaa it cost $160 million to make
Skill issue, cunt. Just don't spend $160 making shit nobody wants to begin with. You're outsourcing everything and using intern labor, what the fuck are you spending $160 million on? What a dumb fucking idiot he is.

>>718082567 (OP)
>game prices should have increased with each generation
No
>game prices should have kept up with inflation
Yes

>>718082567 (OP)
Actually prices should have been reduced by 50 %.
There is nothing innovative, new or actually properly made. There is no reason to pay for any game more than 15 bucks in 2025.

Unless you're counting Nintendo sniffing farts as the baseline for every generation they did tfor everything but PS3>PS4 though, and that's largely because most PS4 games are pretty much PS3 games that don't run at 600p/26fps with half the textures loaded.

>>718082567 (OP)
Just make better games, it's that simple.

>>718082567 (OP)
Nah, game prices should sync with wages, which has been below inflation since 1971-1972. Game should not cost more than $30, now die in a fire and hope you family starve on street.

>>718082567 (OP)
But not salaries, right?

>>718082567 (OP)
He's right, but nobody wants to admit it.
$60 has been the price standard since fucking 2005. Meanwhile, development costs have EXPONENTIALLY skyrockted since the 7th gen. It hasn't been sustainable, and there's no counterargument to these facts.

I've always said I'm fine paying premium prices for games if they don't contain DLC and MTX monetization bullshit. Problem is, that pandora's box of cancer has been opened and is never going away. Stuff like Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong costing $70-$80 is fine by my book since they aren't laced with monetization bullshit. Expensive games used to cost more in the 80s and 90s (e.g. Phantasy Star 4), yet for some reason the industry just stopped having variable pricing.

It was retarded there was IMMENSE outrage over Nintendo raising game prices. Meanwhile, retards don't blink an eye at Western AAA games charging $60-$70 and still lacing their games with cancerous post-launch monetization, like cosmetic shops and battle passes.

>>718082567 (OP)
no gaming franchise back then was worth over a billion dollars so he's retarded. not to mention that all of the profit is only for the top level, devs rarely gets meaningful bonuses for well performing games.

>>718082762
Remove microtransactions, offer a complete experience with no strings attached, and I'll pay $70-$100 for games. That's fine by me.

>>718083575
And why have development costs skyrocketed?

>>718084015
you were not supposed to ask that

>>718082567 (OP)
i hate rich people. They don't understand that everyone besides the rich are getting poorer.

The best games ever made cost like <$25m to make, most far less than that limit, without exceptions.

>>718082567 (OP)
Can we just have another game industry crash already?

>>718082567 (OP)
It's almost like you don't actually need CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY to make real video games
Keep making multi-million dollar budget movie sims you faggots, til you're out of business because you forgot how to make simple, fun video games

>tank disengages in a situation he is never ever supposed to
>by doing this he transforms 2 kills 0 deaths engagement for us into a trade 1 for 1
>10 SECONDS LATER he does the EXACT same thing in the EXACT same situation again thus transforming a would be easy pick into a -1 for us
RETADED
DEMENTED
DISEASED
TANK
MINDS
YOU HAVE 700 HP YOU ARE FUCKING UNKILLABLE RAPE MACHINE
YOU DO NOT RUN AWAY TO GO DO NOTHING WHILE YOUR TEAMMATES FIGHT AND TRUST YOU NOT TO DISENGAGE FOR NO FUCKING REASON

Deus Ex 1 cost $5-7m to make. $9-13m adjusted for inflation.

>>718083575
>boo hoo why are you bullying Nintendo they dindu nuffin with $80!
You mean the same cunts who make you pay for two games to get all the content in a pokemon generation? The same Nintendo who charges $110 to get all of the content in Smash?

>>718084015
Because dev times are longer than ever. Times are longer than ever because of
>Focus on hyper-realistic graphics
>Expanded scopes/scope creep
>Modern devs being more incompetent
>Corporation of the games industry, bloating teams sizes with bureaucracy
>Lack of deadlines means teams dick around forever in development, no pressure (e.g. cancelled Black Panther game being in pre-production for 4 FUCKING YEARS)

>>718085152
>You mean the same cunts who make you pay for two games to get all the content in a pokemon generation?
This is a greedy practice, but it's not remotely as bad as what the rest of the industry does. It's a tradition that goes back to the first gen on Gameboy and was meant to encourage trading and getting friends to buy the game. Needing to trade for 5-7 exclusive Pokemon in another version is not even in the same universe of dogshit as Western AAA devs lacing their games with cash shops and baking in MTX monetization models.

>The same Nintendo who charges $110 to get all of the content in Smash?
Smash DLC is post-launch expansion packs. Expansion packs are fine. They didn't cut content from the base game to sell later, it was content developed after the game was already out. That's how DLC should be done, retard.

Shit arguments.Try again retard.

>>718082567 (OP)
I hope Rockstar makes GTA 6 $100 and everyone else follows suit.

>>718086080
It will, they will, and the layoffs will be beautiful to watch.

>>718082567 (OP)
cut development costs instead of raising prices.

>>718082567 (OP)
>inflation goes up
>game prices go up instead of down
so why aren't companies helping the consumer out instead of helping themselves out?

Listen SHAWN that ain't my fucking business you try to sell me slop for $100 I'm not gonna buy it simple as that, it's your job to come up with something I'd wanna buy for that much money

he's literally correct, especially his last point of infinite growth

>>718082567 (OP)
This retarded faggot
Games development costs went way down over the years which is how they managed to keep the price the same

>>718082567 (OP)
Raise my wages by the same percentage, and I'd be fine with that.

This. A lot of the 80s and early 90s devs who got out during the 2000s are substantially better off than those who stuck around or showed up later. Random fuckers like Tommy Tallarico were unironic millionaires from paying someone to make music for random Disney licensed games that sold a couple million at best

>>718086330
What's your point? Home Computers were expensive back in the day, especially for high end models like that. You had budget options like the Commodore 64 make Home Computers more affordable to every day consumers.

>>718086973
lol

lmao even

>>718086973
Not really. It was easier to found companies and break into the industry. But wages were still shit unless you were a company founder or high up.

>>718082567 (OP)
>tfw there's not as many sports cars in the parking lot because games aren't expensive enough
feelsbadman

>>718082567 (OP)
so stop making games that cost $160 million to make? You don't need 4000 developers to make a AAA quality game.

nobody asked for games like horizon or spiderman 2

i get you want to make your games look super cinematic but there is no reason games should take 10 years and 500 million to make

>>718083151
>$1m for the game production
>$50m for marketing
>$100m + bonus for the CEO because he is the CEO
I wonder why they are demanding to make games more expensive, its really a mystery

>>718082567 (OP)
stop putting more money than you need into it then. balatro was funded by like $50 and 3 paperclips.

>>718083575
I can’t stress this enough but I hope you lose someone you love and die painfully soon after.

>>718082567 (OP)
Games shouldn't spend 20 million on development and 50 million on marketing.

>>718083781
>games in 2000
>tons of fun little things and hidden secrets and unlockable costumes
>games in 2025
>all of those fun little things and hidden secrets and costumes cost $10 each, individually

>>718086330
yes, a complete computer package and a single videogame are very comparible

>>718083078
>don't care to make enough cash to buy stuff
It's more like there are already decades worth of games out there and hundreds more dropping every year. Everything from emulators and F2P games to $$$ AAA stuff and cheaper indie games.
It's not the same market as early console days 30+ years ago. Selling back then was wow look a new game?? Gimme it!! For basically anything as option were so limited. Now? Now it's devs going OK ignore all those free games over there and that amazing game from a few years ago on sale.. Oh ignore those cheaper indie games and......... roll the dice on my game that is in a poor launch state for $85!
Good luck with that....

>>718088703
well it's working
lots of people have bought into the FOMO hype
these days games being released are built around being talked about for a month after release and then never again

>>718082567 (OP)
Just increase the prices then. I wish all games are priced at $200 for the barebones edition, it only affects paypigs

>>718087993
Seen this with that persona 3 remake. What you used to have as a bit of customization in FES on the PS2 like changing the exploration soundtrack while on tartarus got completely placed behind a paid DLC on the $70 remake

>>718089335
at a $200 price point, they'll be justifying Denuvo a lot more than they already are

>>718083575
>Meanwhile, development costs have EXPONENTIALLY skyrockted since the 7th gen. It hasn't been sustainable, and there's no counterargument to these facts.
Horseshit. Absolute skill issue. Stop pissing away so much money on game development and it won't be so hard to profit from the endeavor (assuming you make a good game, that is).

>>718082567 (OP)
Why have they deserved sports cars but not me? Doesn't seem very fair.

>>718083575
You're not getting a sportscar

>>718082567 (OP)
>if you're selling 20 million units at $60 for something that only cost you $10 million to make, that's different than selling 20 million units at $60 for something that cost you $160 million to make
It's really not. 20M * 60 = $1200 million. Subtract the production costs and it's a 12% difference. Whoop de fucking doo.
Plus "back in the day" physical games cost money to distribute, while nowadays digital sales are literally free except for like a fraction of a penny for the server bandwidth cost to have the user download it.

>>718091176
but anon

line must go up

>>718091176
>Plus "back in the day" physical games cost money to distribute,
Also came with intructions, wich were normally 50+ pages, often full color

>>718087824
>die painfully after
nah. bro should be kept alive for the longest time possible while barely surving with some limb eating disease, making him just a blob of meat that nobody wants to take care of.

>>718082567 (OP)
>Ahhhh no one is buying our slop that we're making incredibly inefficiently we better increase the price that will certainly drive demand

>>718082567 (OP)
Games are non-physical goods that can scale the price freely.
You can have one dude paid minimal wage working on the game, or you can have a massive team working on it, so there's no real "price it should be".
You do the math, you make the team the size you want, and that's it.
This whine boils down to "people should want to buy $80 games", it's nothing related to how much it is worth or how much money is needed or anything like that.

So yeah, fuck you, i don't think a $80 game is worth it.

>>718082567 (OP)
@grok does this guy have Jewish ancestry?

>>718082567 (OP)
Spend less money making them.
I don't need 90 gigs of zero compression unoptomized textures and models with 100k tris to have fun.
The only idiots who give a shit about that are dudebros who judge a game's quality by the fidelity, and the people who buy new games to jerk off about how well it runs on their $4k rig when a $1k rig will already last through multiple console generations.
I swear marketers are actually making devs intentionally build games to run worse, because retards will equate the difficulty of running something smoothly with graphical quality.

>$4.5m design
>$10m programming
>$21m licensing third-party tools
>$90m marketing
>$2.5m testing and qa
>$32m celebrity mocap
someone who's good with money help me out

>>718082567 (OP)
They should've always been adjusted according to inflation, having a constant msrp for years fucked with people's mindset and now they are paying for it.

>>718095094
>I swear marketers are actually making devs intentionally build games to run worse, because retards will equate the difficulty of running something smoothly with graphical quality.
It has nothing to do with marketing, it's MTX consultants telling AAAs to deliberately bloat the file size as much as possible so users can't install other games and have the opportunity to spend their money on gacha/cosmetic shit elsewhere.

If they thought they could price games at $100 they would've already done so.

>>718095094
You retards bitch all the time about graphics.
>which ps3 game is this
Stop acting like it isn't you that's ruining things.

>>718095397
You could cut QA, users will just report all of the bugs

>>718083781
That's really since that's literally what Mario kart world, TotK, and donkey kong have offered so far

>>718082567 (OP)
games use to have coop, unique mechanics, no mtx, free cheats, no drm, ownership, you cannot compare that to this modern garbage model

can't wait for all the youtube shills saying how this is a good thing.

>>718083575
you're probably the same subhuman who thinks paying money for online like psplus is a good thing

>>718082567 (OP)
>production gets cheaper
>prices don't decrease
>distribution gets easier or non-existent with digital
>prices don't decrease
>begin adding in microtransactions, mini dlcs, season passes, different type of purchases with increased prices like a deluxe version with a week early access, artificially gating a week for normal customers
>prices don't decrease
>begin to hire interns, students fresh out of college and indians to offset seasoned industry veterans
>prices increase
>"actually games should have always gotten more expensive"
They lie so blatantly, there is no shame. During a time where were hitting massive inflation and a recession going into a depression. Also a big reason for their bloated operating costs and production costs is because they're hiring newbs who don't know how to work in the companies fucking software or indians lying about their certifications, and bloating their teams and operating budget for nothing. Why the fuck should the customer cover the cost of their ineptitude?

>>718095397
>$21m licensing third-party tools
Dude donn´t know other engines but unreal only charges you a tiny fraction if you go over 1m on profits?
>$90m marketing
In this day and age... wwhat does this implies? People don´buy magacines anymore and intret adds aren´t that spenssive
>$32m celebrity mocap
Hire not known people that match the roles needed.

>>718086330
People paid that much for a fucking Tandy? That's just sad.

>>718085805
>Expansion packs
Nope this shit may as well be cash shop. $110 is the absolute low ball for just characters. If you want everything in the game you are looking at over $160.

>>718083575
>Stuff like Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong costing $70-$80 is fine by my book
kys tendoid faggot

>>718083575
for anyone who doesn't understand this mindset, remember that someordinarygamer promised not to buy a switch 2, went out and bought in midnight release, and about a grand in games additionally for it, and then tried to handwave it. All after calling out anyone who would think about buying it. This is the same type of person, also
>prices didn't increase
>they just added in microtransactions, dlc, bundles, paid early access, and other shit to inflate the price
Then the price was fucking increased, wasn't it?

Don't act like you're gonna stop buying games. You'll pay whatever they want.

>>718097001
How do you pay $1000 for Mario Kart

remember, kids:
>sell game for $50
>"games should be $90!"
>sell next game for $60
>"games should be $100!"
>sell next game for $70

>>718084015
they fired all their experienced devs to save costs, while giving themselves bonuses and hiring more marketing managers and women to loiter around the office. They then tried to replace their devs who made and knew the systems they use with indian h1b hires, and kids straight out of college who only know ue5, so they can't reliably make shit. Guess how that's working out for them?

>>718097090
he talked about buying additional games after getting his switch 2 because its stronger. He dropped like an extra grand in games after buying the switch 2. No wonder the elites love indians.

>>718097002
i buy every game 2 years after release on sale
ive never paid more than $40 for a game

>>718096848
LMAO that's just not true fucking liar. Smash ultimate is in total 115 if theres no discounts.

You don't need NSO and are better off playing locally anyway

Also the gamecube controller can be used on any game on switch anyways so it's pretty worth it

>>718082567 (OP)
>games should be exempt from shrinkflation

>>718082851
brazil...

>>718082567 (OP)
>indie makes shitty game for 1$ and sells it for 30$
>AAA studio makes shitty game for 1,000,000,000$ and sells it for 60$
I think the issue is not the game's price. It may just be how much was invested into it...

>>718097285
additional games???? NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!!! You're telling me I can BUY MORE THAN ONE GAME FOR A CONSOLE?????

>>718091176
>>718092043
And memorabilia, like oblivion/skyrim/morrowind cames with maps of the game, or a sales code for a different game with 10% off or some shit. Some of these new games don't even bother to ship a fucking disc, they just send a steam come.

>>718082567 (OP)
>well it costs more to develop a game than it did 20 years ago!
yeah but i dont' give a fuck. how is this my fault or why should i be concerned? if you don't like how much money is spent on development, then don't spend so much fucking money, simple as. niggas out there are making games for a FRACTION of the AAA game's cost, maybe go and copy them or some shit?

>>718082567 (OP)
>GAMES SHOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE!!!
Stunning and brave

>>718097326
>$60 base game
>$50 fighters pass vol1+2
>$40 for mii fighter costumes and stages
Everything means everything. If you're going to whine about paid games with cosmetic mtx then you also have to include Smash's.

nobody counts online subscriptions or non-required controllers into the price of a game because unlike you they're not retarded

>>718097701
hey faggot YOU'RE STILL A FUCKING LIAR

Mii costumes and stages all come included with the fighters pass.

>>718097538
that you mutah? I heard you sucked your friends cock, that true, you fucking faggot

>>718097195
I still wouldn't pay 70 for that fucking shit.

>>718097789
They don't dumbass. Volume 2 comes with a single costume but you must buy everything else separate
https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/super-smash-bros-ultimate-fighters-pass-70070000003621-switch/

>>718083575
Why does 4chan have these types of post so consistently? Maybe being a chud is what the establishment wants young men to be. They are more malleable to the influence of capital after all, what with them believing in some form of it lest you become a onions communist or whatever (Nevermind the fact their spokepeople are all skinnyfat at best)

>>718088094
Missing the point. A top of the line modern computer technologically stomps this at less than half the price. Computers have gotten better and cheaper just like every other industry has with time. But all of a sudden we are expected to believe this is reversing with video games?

>>718082567 (OP)
Price them as whatever you want, it's a free country, but if the value isn't there for consumers they won't buy it.
It's a market, this is how markets work, all this discourse is retarded. You can't talk people into spending more on games, you have to just try it and demonstrate value, or fail and walk it back.
If you price them at $80 and it kills all your sales, the other solution is to stop spending so much fucking money on these games, clearly people don't value it as much as you think they do

>>718097947
bro you were saying stages were separate dumbass

>>718083575
>every AAA studio and publisher is massively successful and paying dividends on top of eight-figure C suite salaries bonuses
>OY VEY YOU NEED TO DO YOUR PART, YOU'VE HAD IT TOO GOOD FOR TOO LONG
Please consider suicide

>>718083575
Don't overspend money on video games simple. E33 and Mafia Old Country feels exactly like AAA games yet are made with quarter of the budget.

>>718098735
Mafia OC is a fucking movie game. BLLLLLEEEHHHHHH

>>718098735
After playing Mafia 3, I'm never playing that dogshit series ever again

>>718083575
>Original Doom was 40$ when it came out, which would be 90$ when adjusted for inflation
>Budget for Doom was less than a million, so about 2 million adjusted for inflation
Imagine the boomer cucks paying 90$ for a ~12 hour game lmao

>>718096130
>he thinks those baby games are worth even $20

>>718099205
HOLY SHIT GROW THE FUCK UP

go play you're retarded "mature" games. degenerate shithead

do you pay more for a song because they hired a bigger orchestra to record it?

Better headline would be "game budgets should have been reined in more intelligently with every generation"

If you increase the price and keep season passes and microtransactions, then you think I'm fucking stupid and fuck you for thinking I'm falling for that grift.

>>718082567 (OP)
>Le "games should be 80 bucks"
>Dankey Kang Bononzo launches at 80 bucks
>Floppeded horrenduously
LOL

The obvious thing to do is to have them be online experiences with cosmetics & dyes in a shop. People will complain, but people will always complain, and nobody will not play a game over non-p2w shop shit.

>>718082567 (OP)
Maybe they should invest that extra $150m into the quality of the game instead of marketing then. The cost of making games has apparently skyrocketed but the quality of games plummeted. The average game today is worse than the average game 20 years ago in everything but graphic fidelity.

>>718083575
>$60 has been the price standard since fucking 2005. Meanwhile, development costs have EXPONENTIALLY skyrockted since the 7th gen. It hasn't been sustainable, and there's no counterargument to these facts.
?????
GAMING as a hobby has fucking skyrocketed, what are you smoking lmao
also, the cost of games has increased with every generation, ps1 games were 40 eurodollars, ps2 games 50 and ps3 games 60, the new battlefield costs fucking $80

>>718083078
yeah calling them poorfags is suddenly gonna make them have more money and make them spend it on your shit
lmao you pinhead

>>718082567 (OP)
>increasing mass market appeal means game should steadily get more expensive, rather than less expensive
Something doesn't add up here...

>>718099767
Did it

>>718098525
Meant music. Whatever. It's still no better than any other full price game stuffed with mtx

>>718102737
Music is also included LMAO. It's just mii costumes being separate so eh

>>718103082
>music is also included
There are costumes with their own music tracks that cost extra dumbass.

>>718098015
they're (you)'s sluts. They'll say or do anything for a (you), they're a collection of whores.

>>718103082
>so eh
of course its a canadien making such an abhorrent post.

>>718082567 (OP)
Of course a sony employee would say that, they're the ones who standardised prices and fucked everything up in the first place.

>>718103545
Also, I'll admit that maybe I was wrong but I think there have been plenty of times that bundles existed where you could get a character and all the costumes that got released.

Games should cost upwards of $160.
It would help prevent the existence of manchildren and remove a societal coping mechanism for angry men, turning them into violent revolutionaries.

>>718082567 (OP)
Reminder that drastically increasing video game prices will turn off the general public from them and make gaming more niche of a hobby again. /v/ should be in support of this.

>>718104103
>>718104242
Based

>>718104242
see thats what im thinking

there were more sports cars in the parking lot because sports cars were popular in the 90s
now people have trucks and suvs that cost more money than those sports cars ever did

>>718082567 (OP)
sony really was the enemy all along

>>718104712
mmmmm hhhmmmmmmm

using discs was nothing more than a race to the bottom

>Development cost
What a fucking liar, games now waste millions on hype campaigns and shoehorn themselves into daily conversation.

>>718082567 (OP)
this guy is an idiot who compares games to movies and doesn't understand shit like why some people don't enjoy 30 fps games
I hope sony actually does this, go ahead and make PS6 games $100 a pop, snoys deserve it.

>>718082567 (OP)
he's right. the poorfags shouldn't be allowed in gaming spaces

>>718103545
you know I can also enjoy smash ultimate without any of the DLC right? Like the DLC was literally just for mii costumes and fighters.

But I actually got the game day 1 and was still able to enjoy all the content it had on the cart. Like obviously, DLC is pretty bullshit but this game never made me feel like I had to get it.

>>718103804
good mornin saar yes depoort the bitch batsgard canadaina sasr

>>718082567 (OP)
Line Must Go Up was a horrible mistake.

>>718082567 (OP)
I say go for it. Gen Z is already too broke to buy games even at current prices, the few remaining people still buying AAA should be able to afford it even if the prices were to be doubled.
You're applying a band-aid to a festering wound but whatever makes you feel better. Amputation is coming sooner or later anyway.

I can't wait for the crash
jewnami are the first nips to go for the 80 for all their games no matter the quality as seen in silent hill flop. it's like pissing and shitting the customer in the face at the same time. can't wait for them to go bankrupt like SE

>>718082567 (OP)
Bloated costs are literally and entirely the fault of corpos. Maybe they shouldn't spend hundreds of millions on marketing and paying a bunch of useless middle management leeches

>>718099342
I pay less because I find orchestras uninteresting. Just like I find AAA games uninteresting, it's a great analogy actually.

>>718082567 (OP)
You know you dont HAVE to buy them right?

>>718087612
nooooooo you dont understand we NEED the 40 million dollar marketing stunt with carls jr, the extremely generously paid consultants at mckinsey said so

>>718083575
>development costs have EXPONENTIALLY skyrockted
where is that money going? hm? because it's not going to the devs, their wages are stagnant, notoriously low. they claim dev costs are high, but all that money goes to marketing and consulting firms who the execs end up receiving favours for, thus laundering the money.

>>718082567 (OP)
by his logic games should cost $960 now for the same percentage of profit

Ok, but hear me out. What if we just stop making new generations because graphics are good enough? Retards. No one is forcing you to make these things.

>>718084015
We know why
ya'll voted for this

>>718086080
Let it all burn

>>718082567 (OP)
Yes, but you are not selling 20 million units in the PS1 era. You are selling a million units if you are very fucking lucky.