Thread 718313431

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiWRwkeH1VM
>we got Superstars instead of this
kek we were so robbed

>>718313431 (OP)
Mania is very overrated. The new levels weren't good and most of the game was just nostalgia pandering.
Superstars was dogshit and not a good alternative either, but Mania worship is silly.

stop changing the narrative, superstars outsold mania and superstars was double the price

the mania team went on to make penny's big breakaway and that game was underwhelming at best, accept this reality.

>>718313536
Mania is the only good Sonic game to release since S3K

>>718313536
Mania is the only sonic game I've ever player so the nostalgia factor wasn't there for me, still was a fun experience for the most part

>>718313536
2010s Sonic was so bad with Lost World, Boom and Forces. The only good things people praise to this day from 2010s is sometimes Colors, Generations is universally praised and look at that, Mania.

>>718313612
>Advance games
>Rush games
>Colors
>Generations
All good.

>>718313431 (OP)
This shit looks like they were still trying to find uses of the sonic 2 HD sprites... also remember that, sonic 2 HD.

>>718313964
yeh I member

>>718313536
>>718313571
Yo motherfckers stop changing the narrative. Mania is a fantastic game and was near universally praised. Judging a game by their sales is would make any sonic game worthless. If this game existed and was near manias quality I would be ecstatic.

>>718313925
Advance 1 was worth of being called Sonic 4. Apart from that everything else in that list was trash.

>>718313724
Don't bother, he didn't either. For some reason detractors like to throw that negative around despite never actually having finished the games themselves.

Can't decide if that looks good or kind of shitty. Fine as proof of concept, but they probably should have stuck with pixels.

>>718313536
>the new levels weren't good
Based on what?

>>718313536
Studiopolis and Press Garden were the best stages in the game. The attempts to pretend this isn't the case are insane.

>Tee Lopes deleted the video and Whitehead deleted the tweet

What did they mean by this

>>718314261
Really depends on how it would look in motion which is hard to guess from a screenshot alone.

>>718314006
God what a wild turn of events. Narcissistic coders seem to be such a common thing. Something about the inflated ego of being a rare resource, you used to be a living wizard programming indie games circa 2010.

>>718314467
Sega told them to fuck off.

>>718314083
>Judging a game by their sales is would make any sonic game worthless.
well no, because the games that sold well were the good ones

>>718313925
Based, Mania is disgustingly overrated, dare I say it’s the Megaman 9 of Sonic in its own way

>>718313431 (OP)
>And now, our ORIGINAL ideas for Sonic!
I'm so happy they made that trans penny whatever platformer instead. Just that kangaroo behind Sonic is the most un-Sonicy thing I've ever seen, and T-Lopes's flamenco inspired woke music isn't ultimately that Sonicy either.

>>718314613
People who buy Sonic games are mostly just literal children, and parents.
I think the Olympics games series is their best seller.

>>718313431 (OP)
looks like rancid boomer pixelshart

>>718313536
almost as retarded as Frontierstards and that's no simple feat

>>718314485
Like the guy who made that Sonic Battle fangame coding the game to give users malware if it detected someone trying to hack it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_5IS7nWKas

It's doubly hilarious because the entire fangame community (and Mania by extension) was built on the back of fans hacking and disassembling the original games

>>718314679
But I liked Mega Man 10.
And Superstars sucked.

>>718314613
That's like saying Sonic 06 is good because it sold over 2 million

>>718314703
if you like anything other than 2012 London and 2010 winter you're a liar

>>718314679
>carry the series
Obviously the lesson Sega were supposed to learn was to carry the momentum of Mania forward, not just continue making Mania, while making whatever the fuck Frontiers was supposed to be.
Return to the 90's style, because it's better, and make a really solid game that emphasizes a sense of weight, and rolling around as a ball, and put actual money behind it.
A new Mania done in the Megadrive style every few years would be nice, sure, but what people are really screaming out for is something like that, in 3D (no, not Superstars).

>>718314679
Nobody ever said Sega should just keep making Mania-style games forever tho

>>718314913
>That's like saying Sonic 06 is good because it sold over 2 million
Do you think 2 mil is relatively good when you previously reached more than 10 mil before?

>>718313925
Genesis > (For starting out the franchise first and foremost, these are the most important games) Advance > (Smoothly transitioning the Blue Blur to Nintendo systems with amazing sprite work that may as well be iconic for flash animations) > Rush (Expanding upon the 2D formula giving us the boost power *I love F-Zero* and also giving us Blaze) > Sonic 4 (It was just a port of a mobile game that had the audacity to have the name of “Sonic the Hedgehog 4”) > Superstars (Just another Classic Sonic that doesn’t really expand or evolve the formula since it’s traps itself using the damn classic designs since classic has to always be simple multiplayer isn’t that great and Emerald Powers are whatever)

>>718313431 (OP)
It was Evening Star the retards this time, they didn't want to be "typecasted" as a sonic making team so they went away to make Penny's Big Breakaway, it flopped so hard they already let people go.

>>718314695
Drooling mongoloid retard that's Kanga Clanga and it IS on Sonic Superstars.

>>718315118
The only Sonic title that ever sold that much was the original, which was a pack-in title for the Genesis

>>718314679
And yeah, the mistake Capcom made with Megaman, was to just halt right there.
People loved MM9, but they didn't want MM10, they wanted X9 in the SNES style, Legends 3, and maybe an actual new Megaman series.
Even with MM11 I'm like "fine, but why isn't it X9?".
We already did the Megaman Classic revival. Push forward.

>>718314679
By which you mean people who didn't like nes megaman in the first place, I loved mega man 10 and I like mega man 11 too. The reality here is that companies don't want to make niche games that are made with passion and favour safer weaker games with general broad appeal. Why do I have to listen to dumbasses champion this?

Losing Evening Star is probably Sonic Team's biggest fumble since Sonic 2006 and Sonic Boom 2014. Plus Tee Lopes not composing all of Superstars soundtrack

>>718313431 (OP)
What happened to the original song upload?

>>718315229
They have a job listing for a 3D modeler who's capable of anime style models and a level designer. Suffice to say they're not going back to Sonic still.

>>718314679
>Mania is disgustingly overrated, dare I say it’s the Megaman 9 of Sonic
The best in the series? You're right.

>>718314679
Mega Man 9 is one of the best entries, so that's a compliment.

>>718315312
>but they didn't want MM10, they wanted X9 in the SNES style

Took the words right out my mouth, but alas that 16 bit X9 ship has long sailed

>>718313536
>t.

>>718315419
I don’t know man, It's crazy to think that out of all 11 classic Megaman games, only 3 of these games aren't made in the NES style.

4 if you count & Bass

>>718314083
>>718314613
Sales shouldn't even be an argument here. Mania did well enough for Superstars, a $50 title by high-profile Sega collaborators, and Origins to be greenlighted. It was a successful game by all metrics.

>>718315294
So explain the next 4 best selling sonic games

>>718315916
There's an FMV game on the Playstation, and Powered Up.

>>718313431 (OP)
Do people not realize this is just a proof of concept for a 2.5D game? The actual game probably would have locked a lot like Superstars still. Proof of concepts are often not accurate to what the final game looks like, pic very much related.

>>718315796
The IP holders may fail us but at least we can make it ourselves...
https://youtu.be/7pk-DsDpiBo?si=7cJ4hsqM92w81wZG

>>718313431 (OP)
>Re-upload
lmao they got the call

>>718316084
If it was the Penny airbrush style, but locked to a flat plane, that would be pretty good looking, actually.
A lot better than plasticy Xbox Live arcade looking Superstars.

Can the Mega Man fans leave this thread? We all know your threads archive within 10 posts, but this is NOT a refuge.

>>718316106
A game that's been in development for literally 17 years with no release window in sight?

>>718313431 (OP)
Sega being so mad that Westerners handle some of their properties better than they are is confusing, they don't give a shit about Sonic and no one in Japan does. I would get it if it were Yakuza or Persona or SMT but why the pride for something you don't give a shit about?

>>718314695
>T-Lopes's flamenco inspired woke music
you don't know what the hell you're talking about

>>718316084
It looks exactly like Penny's Big Breakaway though.

>>718316240
Only Sonic weirdos pretend there are rivalries between different platforming mascots. Most of us like all of them, because they appeal to the same sensibilities.

>>718316223
>implying it wasn't

If Mania 2 was gonna look like that we don't want it

>>718313431 (OP)
classicnggers have no business sense so they'll never understand that you can't sell mobileshit-looking pixelshit for $80

>>718316106
>all those badly designed donut steel OCs
>a donut steel OC is the third playable character
cringe
some of it's pretty cool though
the upgrade system seems a little too convoluted

>>718316240
Are we seriously pretending there isn't a huge overlap between Sonicfags and Mega Manfags?

>>718316246
Yes. One guy and a dream vs billion dollar corporation. Want it sooner? Get good at art music or programming and help out. Sonic fans at least know this well.

>>718316426
Games in general should only cost $20. Not my fault companies are greedy.

>Penny's Big Breakaway is SHIT!!!
>N-No I haven't played it...
>N-No I won't post gameplay...
>N-No I'm not even aware of its core mechanics enough to comment upon...
>IT'S SHIT because uhhhh IT LOOKS WEIRD!!!
>Christian Whitehead OWES ME Mania 2!!!

>>718313536
You shut your whore mouth. Mania was a masterpiece even despite Sega's retarded insistence on recycling old levels. It's the highest-rated sonic game of all time and for good reason.
Few games manage to feel like a true and improved sequel over 25 fucking years after the fact.

>>718316464
He already has a team, he's just a turbo autist that redoes everything from scratch a million times because muh perfectionism.

>>718316510
>Penny's Big Breakaway? Nah I'm not buying it, it looks weird and shit
>Mania 2 is the same artstyle? YABBA DABBA DOO NOW I WANT IT SINCE IT HAS MY CORPORATE BLUE RAT IN IT

>>718316426
Huh? Not only was Mania $20, but everyone thought Sega was dumb for making Superstars $60.

>>718315229
They are so dumb for thinking they can work on Sonic and then not be cursed to making shitty games when afterwards. Bioware were considered good until they made Sonic Chronicles

>>718316619
I only don't like Penny's design (which wouldn't be a problem if it was a Sonic game). The rest of it looks really nice.

>>718316426
So that's why Segay made mobile looking 3D shit and sold it for $60? Hey, blind nigger, Mania 2 was also gonna use 3D graphics, except better looking ones compared to Superstars.

>>718316632
>Paying $20 for a glorified romhack with more automation than boostshit is good, actually
Average Mania fan

>>718316632
>Mania was $20
And that's the problem. Companies only give a shit about full-priced $80 games.

>>718316240
The class struggle affects us all, there will be no infighting here.

>>718316335
>>718316457
Roll threads are infinitely more worse than Cream threads

frontierszoomers doing overtime rn

I'm glad /v/ finally realizes Mania was mediocre in its own way

>>718316736
They made a whole engine for it. It's less a romhack than Sonic Frontiers.

Superstars bombed.
Mania won.

>>718316809
It's the best Sonic game.
Stop trying to consensus crack Sonic Mania, just because Shadow isn't in it.

>>718316878
superstars sold way more so no

>>718316457
I'm a Sonic fag, been playing since 1991.
Never played a Megaman game.

>>718316935
Would love to see the sales figures. Can you post them? Thanks.

>>718316808
frontiers is the highest selling sonic game since the original trilogy btw

>>718316931
It's really not. It's a greatest hits compilation except bogged down by all the levels trying to be vertical like sonic cd and gimmicky super armor bosses and incoherent story which is an advert for sonic forces

>>718316980
You're a loud minority. Most people do not only play one series of games, and throw shit at every other series of games.

>>718316807
What about Maria Robotnik threads?

>>718316847
Frontiers is still an original game. It may be shamelessly ripping assets from other sources but it's an entirely unique experience.

>>718316474
time to go to bed grandpa. gaming is not for you anymore. go play with your pixel vomit nobody likes on your shitty game gear

>>718317035
That's not what I do, so you are incorrect.
I just never played Megaman. Never said it was shit. I just don't want to play it.

>>718317019
It's a "greatest hits compilation" except they made the old levels better, and put new ones in it too, yes.
It contains everything good about the best Sonic games, and more.
It is the best Sonic game.

>>718317017
Eh. It's readable.

>>718313431 (OP)
Why was the original upload removed?

>>718317089
They literally build all of the modern Sonic games on the back of the previous one. They haven't made an all new game since like Unleashed.
Unleashed is still under all that mess, somewhere.

>>718316106
Yeah the fact that somebody else finished an X8 in 16 bit before JKB and X Corrupted is just…

>>718316935
Fake news.

>>718317019
>all the levels trying to be vertical like sonic cd
Retard alert. Not even the CD levels in Mania are designed anything like in the actual Sonic CD, they also hold the honor of the only remixed stages with fully new level layouts for both acts rather than just one of them. Mania takes level design ques from 3&K, you clueless faggot. Just more proof that anyone trying to downplay Mania have zero clue what they're talking about.

Only bad things about Mania imo were
>the returning levels (did we REALLY need Green Hill and Chemical Plant to come back three fucking times in a row?)
>some of the bosses were pretty crappy
>some slight pacing issues (FBZ2 was so long I got a Time Over the first time I played it)
It's got the best special stages in the entire franchise tho, way better than fucking Blue Sphere

>>718314467
what did whitehead say?

Mania good
3K still better

>>718317279
I can live with it, because those were really good versions of Green Hill and Chemical Plant.
What they should have done is cancel Forces.

>>718314679
>people who think sonic 2 is the peak
eve and dough mania is literally a 3&K circlejerk

>>718317342
Frankly the fact that mania is up for debate against what is considered one of the best games of all time really speaks to how good it is.

>>718316240
Blue Homies stick together son!

https://youtu.be/7m-In9URyao
https://youtu.be/nk4JyZ7SbzM

I don't know why the Mania Defense Squad is in full force today when only Mirage Saloon and Studiopolis were the only good new stages out of the 4, they needed to be put on a tight leash by Sonic Team, and that's the only reason why Mania did as well as it did.

>>718314467
Whitehead never tweeted it. It was only on his bluesky and it's still up.
https://bsky.app/profile/cfwhitehead.bsky.social/post/3lwhbnncp6s2y

>>718314679
Undertalefags should be executed.

>>718317224
>>718316980
kys

>>718317139
I played penny,
Unironically ama

>>718313536
>>718314679
"overrated" aka "popular thing that I hate to be contrarian"

>>718317387
Yeah, it's Sega who can't get off Sonic 2 specifically. Or Sonic 1. They're always bringing back stuff from those, and kind of snubbing 3.
>another Sonic 1 or Sonic 2 inspired special stage
Why do they always do it?

>>718317493
Sorry, I don't belive tweets.
Can you post a real sales statistic? Thanks.

sonic superstars won
https://www.segasammy.co.jp/cms/wp-content/uploads/pdf/en/ir/20250618_Management_large_MTG_all_e.pdf

>>718314613
Heroes and Frontiers sold the best. Your argument is very silly.

>>718317456
Mirage Saloon was the worst one out of the bunch, what are you talking about?

>>718317493
>No Mania sales listed
Are you retarded?

>>718317019
>all the levels trying to be vertical like sonic cd
most schizophrenic opinion i've ever read, seek meds immediately

>>718317610
we know mania only sold 1 million

>>718317136
>They made the old levels better
And finally the mask slips. This right here is the mindset of all self-proclaimed Classic Sonic fans who insist Mania is the best game in the series and constantly shill source ports that "improve" upon the retro titles. They don't actually like Sonic, they're trannies who think it's inherently flawed and that only the fans can fix Sega's mistakes.

>>718314467
>>718314503
They went troo far

>>718314679
>terrible direction
huh? posting random twitter screencaps should be a bannable offense

>>718317456
Press garden is a better zone and more mechanically and thematically interesting than the entirety for superstars just give it up man.

>>718317671
meds

>>718317653
You have to prove this claim.
Go ahead.

>>718317456
people don't want to hear it but Iizuka tard wrangled mania team

>>718317527
>the two highest selling games in the franchise
>came out when Sega was still at the peak of their popularity
that's my guess, anyway

>Terminal Sonicfags will try to argue the only good game they've had in a decade was actually bad just to keep people from forming a consensus.
The Internet was a mistake.

>>718317691
Press Garden Act 1 is one of my least favorite levels in Mania, it's too claustrophobic and linear. Act 2 is great but short unfortunately.

>>718317740
I'm shocked to hear he helped with Penny's Big Breakaway.

>>718317671
Are you able to prove him wrong though? Because this post doesn't convince me.

didn't the original plot of mania give eggman depression? mania would've been complete shit why do you guys think whitehead and his friends did anything of value?

>>718317136
I dunno, I thought Hydrocity in Mania was pretty underwhelming
What was even different about it, anyway? The boats?

>>718317691
Speed Jungle Act 1 has more complex platforming than anything from Mania. Press Garden is a fucking slog.

>>718317841
It's the temple level with a very interesting coat of paint and speed sections thrown in. I can understand not liking temple levels though.

>>718317813
>the only good sonic game is a game which stole 90% of its content from more talanted developers and had no original ideas of its own just references for easy good boy points
I don't think so sweetie

>>718317671
I like Sonic plenty. I used to play the classic games when I was a kid.
A game is allowed to be better than Sonic 3. That's what I *want* as a fan. I don't want the entire franchise to be in the shadow of three good games that happened in the early 90's. That's depressing.
Mania simply took what I already liked, and heaped even more joy onto it, and I can cope with this, because I'm not a weirdo who needs my childhood to be king.

>>718317671
If Sonic wasn't flawed, it wouldn't have died a mere 3 entries in, while a console mascot no less.

>>718317992
>No argument on quality, just "it's not creative enough."
I know what you are.

sonic mania came out 8 years ago and moderntrannies have been mindbroken over it ever since. it's just sad at this point

>>718317571
>Heroes and Frontiers sold the best.
Maybe because those games are good when you don't have revisionist spamming threads

>>718317589
I personally think Titanic Monarch was the weakest, I did not care for Act 2's gimmick in the least. At least with Mirage Saloon you got an actual Act 1 with Knuckles (though I agree we didn't need a Sky Chase homage).

>>718318105
Frontiers I'll give you but Heroes sucks.

>>718317813
The vast majority of this fanbase cannot even conceptualize what good Sonic level design looks like despite it being the most obvious thing ever

>>718318014
>A game is allowed to be better than Sonic 3
Yeah but it's not though. I think Mania 2 could have been better than 3K but Mania 1 had a lot of stuff going against it keeping it from its full potential.

>>718316084
Drawn concept artwork seen there with Mighty Number 9 vs an actual playable tech demo seen in the OP (confirmed in some Penny interviews).
I don’t think it’s too far fetched to think the game would actually look like that if Evening Star got the game picked up, Penny already did that visual style but completely 3D

>universally loved game suddenly gets a ton of detractors trying to convince you it was always bad several years later
Can someone explain to me why Sonic fans in particular like doing this? I remember Colors getting the same treatment years ago.

>>718317589
>>718317691
>Mirage is the worse, not Titanic Monarch
>Press Garden
You lost.

>>718317992
>stole 90% of its content from more talanted developers and had no original ideas of its own
factually false, why are moderniggers so disingenuous, bros?

>>718318184
most sonic fans are mentally stuck at the age they played their first sonic game and statistically they probably played a really shitty one first but they feel like they have to defend it with their lives and bash all the others to make it look better by comparison

>>718318141
Titanic Monarch act 1 is insanely fun once you learn the layout.

>>718317992
It's got five original Zones, a new special stage, new bosses on every stage, and some of the returning levels are so different, they may as well be their own thing. It easily has about enough new content to at least match Sonic 1. Maybe 2.
Stop being a disingenuous queer about this.

>>718318063
I've already told you its poor quality due to the unfun bosses and levels which drag on longer than they should. Press Garden Act 1 for example is shit with those spinning newspaper wheels you have to awwardly bounce through

Studiopolis > Encore Mirage Saloon > Titanic Monarch > Press Garden > Base game Mirage Saloon

>>718318048
You haven't played any of the 8-bit games, you haven't played CD or Chaotix, you haven't played Pocket Adventure, you definitely haven't played Spinball or 3D Blast. Your opinions barely matter if you've only played the Genesis trilogy and nothing else.

>>718315465
This is the SEGA equivalent of when Sony declined to buy FromSoft after Demon's Souls.

>>718318184
Generational rotation. Kids play a Sonic game, grow up and go on the internet, see the game they loved is shat on, then they lash out on other games to get back at people who they think wronged them.

>>718318315
>I've already told you its poor quality due to the unfun bosses and levels which drag on longer than they should.
But enough about Superstars.

>>718317279
>>the returning levels
that was sega's doing
>>some of the bosses were pretty crappy
par for the course for sonic games
>>(FBZ2 was so long I got a Time Over the first time I played it)
nothing wrong with taking your time exploring

>>718318184
It's the 00's faction of the fanbase, who basically don't want Mania to "win", because then they never get SA3.
At least that's how that works in their minds.

>>718317671
>You don't actually like a game if you prefer any version that adds or fixes things from the initial release.
A bold claim.
Do you refuse to update your games, anon? Did you reject SSF2T because it meant you didn't like the original? Is Resident Evil Director's Cut sacrilege to you?

>>718317905
It's a good level but it's stardust speedway in a trenchcoat and runs out of ideas going into its second act and it's probably the best zone the game has to offer. Press garden is practically an entirely new zone in its second act, this is coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb.

>>718318105
Frontiers is a dogshit game and nobody arguing in good faith would claim otherwise.

>>718318336
'3 entries in' is counting CD, 3 failed at the time despite the rampant revisionism since. Played these games and they fucking sucked, 8-bit especially.

>>718318309
>Only two-thirds of the game is rehashed content, it doesn't count!
>Yeah the new bosses fucking suck BUT THEY'RE ORIGINAL!

>>718318485
>Frontiers is a dogshit game and nobody arguing in good faith would claim otherwise.
then why on earth did it sell well?

>>718313431 (OP)
>Greedy Sega gooks stole enemy concepts and mechanics from this prototype, then inserted them in Superstars but received all the credit
>and probably didn't even pay the Mania devs for their ideas
lmao fuck them

>>718318527
The original bosses were great. Stop trying to consensus crack.
I don't CARE what some youtuber said.

>>718318147
If it was just taste or ignorance, they would be arguing it's "not that great."

The insistence that it's actually shit is a matter of terminally online fandom culture war bullshit.

>>718316638
Bioware was good until Andromeda. Chronicles was nothing for them, plus it wasn't their fault anyway. It was SEGA buttfucking them that made it turn out the way it did

WHERE IS IT SEGA

>>718318415
We already got a "Sonic Adventure 3". Fuck, we got FOUR of them.
>Heroes and Shadow continue Shadow's story from Adventure 2
>'06 copies the Adventure gameplay wholesale
>Unleashed was also called "Sonic World Adventure"
How many more do you need?

>>718318545
We're talking about a franchise that shrugged off 06 like it's nothing. Rub your braincells together.

>>718318545
Marketing.
Appealing to current market trends.

Plenty of shit games have sold well. Doesn't make them good: just means they convinced enough people to buy them.

>>718316084
It's stylized way more and would have looked better.

>>718316438
>iffy/ugly original characters that don't fit the source material's aesthetic
>in development hell due to constant feature creep (though this one actually has a chance of coming out)
>originally had music composed by Dominic Ninmark/Nitroflasher but got a new composer
If I had a nickel for ever fan project that had this happen, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened this specifically twice.

>>718318545
We've been over this, general broad appeal is great for short term success. Why the fuck do you think they made it open world and made the music stings like Zelda?

>>718318643
They wont be happy until it actually has the name "SA3" (and even then they'll probably hate it for not getting the "vibe" right).
It's a religious crusade for these people.

>>718318643
The Sonic Adventures will continue until morale improves.

>>718317085
Retarded 3rd brother trying to be like their older bros

>>718313431 (OP)
uhh.... what... what was sega's reason for dropping the Mania devs again? Because this doesn't look that far off visually from Superstars (besides, y'know... Superstars looks worse)

>>718314679
>>718313536
And here we see the proud /v/ contrarian in their natural habitat. They gained their (You)s but did not earn them.

>>718318570
>already assuming he got his opinion from some youtuber
Oh you're one of those retards. Anon stop arguing with him, he's just going to deflect by saying you got your opinion from some e-celeb HE watches like a projecting nigger.

Maniasisters... The SuperCHADs are proving ONCE AGAIN their game is better than ours!!! What do we do???

/v/ have convinced themselves that a romhack is the second coming because it wasn't made by sonic team

>>718317901
Man, who the fuck gives a shit about the story in classic Sonic games beyond the brief exposition it gives to lead into the next boss or zone?

>>718318834
They are? How? Where?

>>718314613
>Fortnite and CoD are better than your favorite games
lol

>>718318797
I know they literally all watch that Cybershell faggot. I've been around Sonic fans.

Go on. Someone show me the video where some tard is like "actchually Sonic Mania's bosses are really bad, because they make you wait...".

>>718318184
Sonic has fans obsessed with fandom discourse. Those people will just lie about shit to try and push discourse towards what they like.

Mania being the only good game the series has put out in years pisses some people off. They feel they get people agreeing with them sooner if they shit on Mania instead of saying "It has problems but I enjoyed Superstars."

>>718313925
>calls Mania overrated pandering
>lists Generations as good when it's basically the same concept but even shorter and classic Sonic plays worse
lmao

>>718318834
Superman 64?

Why was Mania so fucking comfy bros?
>the leaks
>the announcements
>the pre-release hype and media rollout
>the release and realizing you are playing a modern classic

>>718318834
I'm a Superstars defender but I've never said it's better than Mania. Just that it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

Mania fanboys have no real arguments other than insisting that it somehow magically catapulted Sonic back from irrelevance because they can only appreciate this series by insisting it's been dogshit for half of its lifespan

They literally, factually aren't real fans because everything is built upon dismissing tons of games they haven't even played and just assume are bad

>>718318660
>>718318661
>>718318734
Your arguments make ZERO sense considering Forces was the previous installation.

>>718318771
From what was said in interviews that I recall (please link with source of you have one anons) it was because they wanted to persue more "3d" elements in superstars (think the background layerr stuff) while the mania team want to go a more traditional 2.5d route. Considering how little a role all the stuff plays in superstars I think they just wanted a safer art style that would sell to people who only play 3d stuff while also being cheaper to make. Creative bankruptcy.

>>718319029
You didn't even read any of these posts, fuck off.

>>718319016
Okay, but you actually like Sonic 06 tho.
That's not an argument in regards to you being a "true fan". That's just having broken taste receptors.

You did collect it right?

>>718318942
Sonic Speed Simulator brought more fans into the series than Mania. This is ultimately a game for kids and it makes sense the out of touch uncs on /v/ would hyperfocus on the memberberry romhack (that only sold a million copies.)

>>718319016
>Mania fanboys have no real arguments other than insisting that it somehow magically catapulted Sonic back from irrelevance
I mean... are they wrong?
What did the franchise have between Generations and Mania? 4: Episode 2, Lost World, fucking Rise of Lyric... at least the Boom cartoon was decent?

>>718319115
I did, they were all excuses. There's no way you earn the best-selling SONIC title in 30 years just by marketing your game as a ZELDA-like

>>718319016
>But what if I strawman?
Sonic 1-Adventure 2 is based.
Shadow needed more time in the oven; the fan hack that just changes some numbers is fun. Secret Rings only suffered from the Wiimote controls. Advance 1, 2, both Rushes and both versions of Colors are fun. Unleashed's biggest sin is padding + the Werehog not being balanced better. Generations is pretty fun.

It's really just the last three 3D games and the two "Sonic 4s" that are ass. And they're really ass. Mania's great. Superstars wasn't as good, but it's okay.

Cope

>>718318991
The build up to Mania was almost as euphoric as the actual game. I wonder if any newcomers to this series will ever get to experience anything like that for the first time, or if we'll ever experience that again

>>718319176
Wait so if I like Sonic 06 I'm somehow not a real fan even though the fanbase won't shut the fuck up about Project 06? Damn it's almost like you aren't allowed to enjoy these games unless a tranny tinkered away at it for a decade and made it a completely different experience.

>>718319221
Okay? That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

>>718318545
>>718319029
>>718319284
Frontiers was the best Sonic game ever made. Period.

>>718319292
The Adventure games are like questionable at best.
If you strip them down to just the Sonic stages, you have fun games there, but still kind of broken and fucked up, and generally not half as good as Sonic 3.

Jun Senoue > Tee Lopes
https://youtu.be/KfxgZQ2ftig
https://youtu.be/-xksPK0nxwM
https://youtu.be/nVxRbaUV-HM

>>718319273
The movie is what catapulted Sonic back to relevancy you retard.

>>718319105
Damn Sega really hates giving Sonic any style or flourish anymore (not that it currently has much substance either)

>>718319341
>even though the fanbase won't shut the fuck up about Project 06
The people who jerk off P06 are stupid. It's a completely different game that reuses S06's assets and level design, and even then it's just okay. Not good or great. Ok.

>>718319363
Wrong again, Anon-kun!

I'd much rather play the Advance trilogy than Sonic Mania desu.

>>718319273
>Omitting Colors and All-Stars Racing for no reason
Retarded or shitposter? You be the judge.

>>718313431 (OP)
Were these images that were shared just mockups or screenshots of an actual demo?

>>718319189
>WELCO
>METOT
>HENEX
>TLEVEL
what did they mean by this?

>>718319284
...dude literally every franchise ever reached tripled sales by going open world over the last decade have you been living under a rock?

>>718319384
>people pretend dying cats were good just to shit on mania
desperate

>>718319453
Both of those games came out before Generations

>>718319456
Probably fan made

>>718319481
I'm not pretending

>>718319341
Just because "the fanbase" failed to gatekeep people who actually like stuff like 06, doesn't mean they're good fans.
Most of the authentic 90's era fans are old and don't care anymore, so the kiddies took over. That's just the reality of it. Even I'm a little too young to have been in that generation(I played the classic games on Gamecube), and I'm basically past it.
I'll show up and play a good Sonic game if it happens. I'm not posting in your general threads.

>>718319472
name 5

>>718319328
It was the fans going through the sonic cycle except the game was actually good for once.

>>718319380
I can make an argument for a lot of people misunderstanding what Adventure 1 even is. It's not an arcade game you blast through. It's a slow burn adventure game (hence name) with platformer stages tucked in it. You're meant to take it in very gradually and interact with the world and the side activities as much, if not moreso, than the stages. The plot literally does not work unless you're interacting with NPCs and raising Chao between levels.

Adventure 2, yeah, it's kinda shakey, I won't lie. Still much better than Heroes.

>>718313536
I replayed it recently and still love it.

>>718319445
Advance also copiously reuses concepts from the original Megadrive games.
It's just in Advance, you have worse versions of old levels, instead of really good ones.

>>718319456
>>718319518
A playable prototype made using the Star Engine they were developing, and later used for Penny

>>718318419
>No response
As expected.

>>718313536
If you don't think the Mean Bean Machine boss was the tightest shit you have no fucking taste

>>718319709
this is exactly what I mean by mania relying on cheap references to inflate its score

CHOOSE

>>718319398
Mania did it first, but then Forces came out and fucked it all up.

>>718319672
Advance 1 is a great game. Don't be a fag.
Advance 2 and 3 are barely like the 16 but games at all.

>>718319608
Sure, but even moving your character in those games feels fucked up and unrefined. It's something you adapt to, but it's not good.

>>718318889
further drives home the point that the mania team needed to be tard wrangled

>>718319328
Between the arguing this thread kinda feels like a funeral for mania. Just gotta be thankful it happened anon. I always had prepared myself for it to end with mania, it's a fucking miracle it ever got made. It had one shot to be made right and it was a knock out.

>>718319773
Vulnerable Sonic

>>718319328
WHAT'S
IN
THE
HOLE

>>718319773
*munch* *crunch*

>>718319384
>>718319524
Anon, even I like Sonic 4's soundtrack and think it was underrated, but come on now...
https://youtu.be/CQF-P5bUNG0
https://youtu.be/-gJO0rolQ3U
https://youtu.be/BqwlKkT-okM

>>718319821
Well yeah, of course. But it has very different priorities than the 2D games. I'm not gonna argue it's as good as S3K, but I absolutely think it's a good game and worth someone's time. It's just far worse at conveying what it wants from the player.

Why don't we just take a vote?
https://strawpoll.com/e6Z2AzQL5gN

>>718313431 (OP)
Superstars is so bad man

>>718319960
Nice virus

>>718316510
It's a fun game, the bad things about it are the character design and the bossfights. Great game otherwise.

>>718313431 (OP)
Why are you lying?
Evening Star made this as a proof of concept and then CANCELLED IT THEMSELVES to work on Penny's Big Breakaway
Sega didn't do shit

>>718319773
the ones I recognize
>1 2 3
>blonic needlemouse pikachu mspaint
>snick sanichegehog exe
>fuglysonic
>toei boomed

>>718317139
I played Penny. Good game. Shame it dropped when it did and most Sonic fans didn't give a shit/didn't know it released

>>718319960
Mania is over hyped but you're genuinely insane if you honestly believe Superstars even comes close to it or any other classic game in quality

>>718318419
>>718319693
I ignored you because your examples made no sense.
>Do you refuse to update your games
Not necessarily, I can name three off the top of my head I play on old versions for a variety of reasons. And that's just freeware, if I could easily rollback lots of modern games to be pre-patched I would, but it's not an easy process even if you're a pirate.
>Did you reject Super Street Fighter II Turbo?
A better example if you wanted to trap me in a gotcha would have been to talk about Alpha 1/2/3. Even so, Turbo has worse CPU and deliberately changes the balancing to screw with people who got too used to have SF2 vanilla worked.
>Resident Evil DX is sacrilege
I don't even like RE1Make, as far as I'm concerned the original PS1 and Saturn versions of the game are all that matter.

Not a fan of the saturn 'aesthetic'. Penny's big breakway shows sonic team maybe dodging a bullet.
In general I dont think you can make 2d sonic look good without classic spritework.

>>718319292
I don't care what anyone says. I liked Advance 3, flaws and all.
That no other game in the franchise tried the modular movesets gimmick (teams or no teams) is a massive loss as far as I'm concerned.

>>718320128
>Sonic fans didn't give a shit
When they revealed it in the Nintendo direct Sonic fans were the only ones who gave a shit
And then the dumbasses shadow dropped the game. It was their own fault it flopped

Mania released during that post-Generations era of Lost World, the entire Boom sub-series, a bunch of mobileshit, and was immediately proceeded by fucking Forces. I can't blame bitches for giving it so much praise.
I thought it was very fun, only complaint was that there wasn't that many original zones. And that the zones they did reuse were just from those four Genesis games instead of expanding out to the Game Gear/MasterSystem shit

>>718319292
Shadow and 06 were not and would not ever be good stop this
And Secret Rings had horrible mission design
>Frontiers is ass
Frontiers is fine
>NO I DON'T LIKE IT SO-
nobody cares

>>718319773
As a sonic hater, the last one looks cool

I have yet to see anyone explain how Superstars ($60) sold more copies than Mania ($20).

>>718320384
normies prefer 3D graphics and multiplayer

>Christian Whitehead "hey here's a proof of concept we made a long time ago for a Sonic game, but we decided to move onto other things!"
>Every sloptuber and retard Sonic fan like OP "HERE'S A PROTOTYPE IMAGE OF SONIC MANIA 2! IT WAS CANCELLED BY SEGA TO MAKE WAY FOR ORIGINS AND SUPERSTARS! BAD BLOOD WITH EVENING STAR!? CLICK THE VIDEO TO FIND OUT!"
God I hate the modern internet

>>718320384
>Holiday release
>3d graphics appealed to kids more
>Multiplayer gimmick appealed to some casuals too

>>718320384
You could have masterfully crafted artisanal pixel art and people would still choose the amateur 3d rendering. Its a dead end for the market unless you're making some edgy rpgmaker game

>>718320437
same reason 2D animated movies aren't popular anymore
people only care about CGI

>>718320384
3D graphics and physical release available on the shelves day one instead of being a collectors' item.

Sonic Mania underperformed compared to Forces

>>718320645
I dont even know how whitehead keeps the lights on in his studio. I'm guessing he must've been wealthy to begin with

>>718320207
Not necessarily...
(I made this as a fake leak but people figured it out in minutes)

>>718320645
considering Mania was produced with a fraction of the budget and time that Forces got, Sega probably would've been more upset if it hadn't

>>718320645
Nah, Sega viewed Mania as a side project. Forces was the one they spent an ungodly amount of marketing money on. Nobody's really sure how much it actually sold (people estimate around 2 mill) but Sega viewed it as a hard bomb on their end

>>718320437 >>718320529 >>718320534 >>718320553 >>718320523

the prototype image clearly displays 3d graphics, which makes me wonder why the fuck Sega didn't just let them make it

>>718320728
More like layoffs
Penny bombed BAD
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/action/pennys-big-breakaway-studio-announces-layoffs-evening-star-has-been-swept-up-in-the-same-turbulence-that-has-affected-so-many-of-our-peers-in-the-games-industry/

>>718320728
he barely is they had to let a lot of people go after penny's big flop

>>718320858
It's a proof of concept not a prototype
And Evening Star was the one that didn't want to make it. They didn't want to be branded as just a Sonic studio. Sega was more than willing to work on Mania 2

>>718320645
Post the numbers

>>718320858
It wasn't full 3D like Superstars.

>>718315916
Do the acrade games count?

>>718320071
Why did they make the demo in the first place then?

>>718313431 (OP)
considering Penni exists we know how this game would have turned out (shit)

So this is the power of Christian Whitehead...
Shouldn't have made a tranny brown mc

>>718320950
Generations isn't up here for some reason but it sold 1.85 mill
Forces isn't up here because the full sales have never been disclosed
Superstars sold 2.5 mill
And Sonic X Shadow sold around 2 mill

>>718320198
Alpha 2 is better than 3. There, I said it.

>>718320937
>could have been the envy of the industry receiving steady work from Sega on a prized IP
>Let a shitty shovelware JP studio take the contract
I can't get it

>>718320937
>Evening Star was the one that didn't want to make it
source?

>>718320645
Explain why they would greenlight Superstars after Mania "underperformed"

>Evening Star refuses to make Mania 2
>their original game flops so badly they have to layoff part of their studio to make ends meet
>meanwhile Sega partners with the guys who made Balan Wonderworld instead and of course they go on to produce mediocre slop
What a world.

>>718320746
the graphics remind me of the sonic 2 HD project and its grim fate (DRM for a fan game, ran like shit on current gen CPUs)

>>718320950
peasant, best I can give you is this 5

>>718321121
>sonic team is fucking sick to the death of getting stuck developing sonic games
>turnover is atrocious. none of the people who worked on the originals remains
yes, very curious

>>718321109
>claims Mania flopped compared to Forces
>ask for proof
>gives me sales numbers for everything but the sales for Forces

>>718317139
Penny's godawful character design didn't help her at all. Holy shit it's bad.

>>718320198
>A better example if you wanted to trap me in a gotcha would have been to talk about Alpha 1/2/3.
No it's not. Alpha 3 is a completely different game.
>Even so, Turbo has worse CPU
Yeah man, you're playing Super Turbo for the single player. Fuck off.
>and deliberately changes the balancing to screw with people who got too used to have SF2 vanilla worked
Yeah. You gonna tell people they're fake fans who hate OG SF2 just because they like Green Hand? Come on. You know you're full of shit.

>as far as I'm concerned the original PS1 and Saturn versions of the game are all that matter.
The "original" international release made a ton of balance and resource changes that Director's Cut changed back. You shouldn't talk about games you don't know shit about. Changing how many ink ribbons and how much ammo is in the game is way bigger than making Sonic 2 widescreen, get the fuck over yourself.

>>718321182
it's still going? I thought it died after they leaked they haven't done the water zone

>>718321040
It's not a demo it's literally just a picture
That's what studios do. When you finish one game you don't just sit around doing nothing. You get to work on the next game, they started up more Sonic stuff and then got the idea to do Penny instead

>>718321123
https://gonintendo.com/contents/23633-sonic-mania-dev-explains-why-a-sequel-didn-t-come-about-discusses-2-5-experimental
>When we started Evening Star, it was always our goal to move beyond 2D pixel art into 3D games, and develop all-new, original IP. Evening Star did work with Sega to explore possible directions Classic Sonic could go after the success of Sonic Mania. Sonic Mania 2 was never in development, though, because we actually agreed early on that we should try to make something fresh, like hand-drawn 2D or 2.5D. At the same time, Evening Star was developing our new Star Engine, so we also ended up making a cool Sonic prototype that played with depth in 2.5D, and some other gameplay ideas.

>>718321121
Oshima being in charge of Arzest is the only reason they worked on Superstars
A damn shame too because Arzest is so fucking shit

>>718320470
vocal online sonic fans are 99% trannies
trannies love drama and the little fandev and hate big corporation
hope this helps

>>718320858
It was clearly the art direction. That was one of the biggest complaints of Penny. Sega saw this and just rejected it because it looked ugly.

My only issue with Mania was out of all the classic levels they could have picked they chose Flying Battery Zone and Oil Ocean Zone.

>>718321304
Take your meds, I'm not the guy who originally said that

>>718320334
>"Uhm, I'm right and you're wrong!"
Great argument, but it doesn't change that Frontiers' Open Zones are fucking ass and the game controls terribly. Keep coping about how you definitely didn't get bamboozled by the hype cycle.

>>718321372
Wasn't this before Penny? Are Sega fucking time travelers or something?

>>718313431 (OP)
>Existing in this timeline long enough to have memories
>we were so robbed
How is this any level of surprise?

>>718321412
>I'm supposed to be able to read minds
Get bent.

>>718321336
>It's not a demo it's literally just a picture
Wrong, they went and pitched a demo to Segay like they did with Mania.

>>718321308
They wanted a weird character like the mischief makers girl or dynamite heady without understanding the appeal

>>718321427
>Criticallly reviewed well
>Commercially best selling 3D game
>You, a retard "NO IT FUCKING SUCKS! I JUST KNOW IT DOES! PLAY A REAL GOOD GAME LIKE SHADOW/06/Secret Rings!"
every time

>>718321109
Why are they not announcing Frontiers 2 if it's so successful?

>>718321643
Froniters 2 is literally in development as we speak

>>718321584
Making her not look like a granny would be a good first step.

>>718318184
genwunners exist on any series

>>718321372
Only thing ugly about Penny was the character design (and sometimes the colors, but not always). That problem isn't applied here.

>>718321643
https://www.thegamer.com/sonic-frontiers-director-next-game-has-begun/

>>718321589
>"Uhm, I'm sorry, game reviewers disagreed. Argument. Over."
Yeah, they're never a poor judge of a game's quality.

>>718321643
they're increasing wait times to cram another 20 minute long bossfight

>>718321643
they will at the Game Awards 2025

>>718320384
Physical version available day one, not one fucking year after launch.

>>718318184
It happened to Colors because Lost World and Forces sucked and they were made by the same team so people went back and started hating on Colors for some reason
Which is trash because Colors is a good game

>>718321589
When did anon say 06 is good?

>>718321728
>Posts a game most people on the internet still love
Oh man...you...got me?
Oh wait, am I supposed to hate it because you do too? Isn't that being an echo chamber like reddit?

>>718321125
You're acting like there isn't a Sonic 4 Episode 2 that exists.

>>718321790
Yeah.
It ain't Sonic, but it was fun.

>>718317139
Sonic fans seem to understand everything great about the series except for one crucial detail: the only reason Sonic fans put up with all the shit is ONLY because the character designs are so good

>>718316404
>we

>>718321882
Episode 1 sold a million copies, also they were obliged to make a second episode anyway regardless of how it did.

>>718321874
>most people
Most people are also big fans of transexual yodeling and personally hate you.
>"Uhm, source?!"
Yours first, faggot.

>>718321882
Mania is mostly reused assets, it probably cost less to make than Sonic 4 and wasn't that big of a risk.

>>718321910
Don't forget the music

>>718321970
why was there no obligation for episode 3 despite 2 clearly ending on a cliffhanger? and don't say it was sales because they cute the episode 3 teaser ending like 2 weeks or so before release

>>718321790
I never really liked Colors but you do you.

>>718318184
>universally loved
you twitter trannies have controlled the narrative for far too long, people are just finally allowed to speak up

>>718321874
>Quality is determined by the opinions of the masses.
Pretty fucking sad you can't even defend an opinion with your own thoughts.

>>718322051
Because stopping at two episodes doesn't look nearly as retarded as stopping at just one.

>>718322182
fair enough

Man he's really mad that I'm not responding to him huh

>>718322030
>Mania is mostly reused assets
It isn't, all the returning levels had their assets redrawn to fit the 32 bit style.

>>718322051
I think Dimp's next project was Lost World 3ds. This was back when it was still in fashion release a seperate portable version of a console game

>>718322251
Still that's quicker than coming up with ideas for all new stages and making everything from scratch and with 3D/2.5D graphics

>>718322245
That could be like ten different posters in this thread.

>>718322290
I'm still mad how Lost World 3DS was the only 3D Sonic game on that system and it was the worst one ever
I remember wanting a SA1 remake on the 3ds badly

>>718322051
https://soahcity.com/sonic-news/taxman-was-asked-to-develop-sonic-4-episode-iii-with-sega-studios-australia/
According to Taxman he was asked if he could collaborate with Sega Studios Australia (the guys who made the Castle of Illusion remake) to help develop Episode 3
The studio went out of business before any work was done and Taxman decided to work on the 1 & 2 remasters instead

>>718320243
It could have shadow dropped and been successful if it didn't release the same week Elden Ring's DLC did. It's the equivalent of Ubisoft releasing Rayman Legends next to GTAV

>>718321728
Wait a minute, that card.

>>718322786
>DINGDINGDINGDINGDONGDONGSINGDINGDING

>>718315916
1998 is the best looking. Why not just up the resolution of the pixel art instead of going PIGDISGUSTING 3D?

>>718313536
t. classic hater or bot, either way someone bad at a 2d platformer for kids.

>>718317498
Is the game good enough to stand the horrible character design?

>>718314679
>Mania is disgustingly overrated
Kill yourself.

>>718317813
It takes one or two retards to poison the well.

>>718318184
Must be the same breed of autistic zoomer that tries to convince everyone that Unleashed and 06 were good.

>>718315604
Then I hope to continue to crank out flop after flop until it finally gets into their heads that Sonic is the only thing they're good at.

>>718317691
Hell even Mirage Saloon is goated and much better than the overrated Studiopolis

>>718321384
True but Mania's take on Flying Battery was the best version of that stage so I can't really complain too much

>>718318184
Mania came after the shitshow that was Boom that’s all I’m saying

>>718313536
Shut the fuck up faggot

>>718317456
>>718317740
>Sonic Team needs to be put on a tight leash by Mania Team
>people don't want to hear it but mania team tard wrangled iizuka
fixed

>>718319010
Uhhh Trip is too young to get pregnant but the picture is cute, wait until she’s older anon

>>718313431 (OP)
>You know I don't care. At least you still get to have games.

High probability, the game would've sucked anyway.

>>718318184
People have been shitting on Sonic and the Secret Rings for years and I enjoyed the game wholeheartedly. It is a great game fuck off Sonic hating fags.

>>718318206
Mirage is just Sky Chase in the first act, and the second act ends before it truly gets to shine. Titanic Monarch is at least a full brand new level.

>>718319284
>ZELDA-like

Hedgehog of the Wild

>>718317456
>they needed to be put on a tight leash by Sonic Team, and that's the only reason why Mania did as well as it did.
I know, Sonic team saved the Mania devs from accidentally releasing Sonic Mania without any of the stupid DRM and Phantom Ruby/Forces tie-in bullshit. That would have been awful.

>>718319445
My brotha! I’m always finding myself playing the Advance games more than Mania, shame Sega or whoever won’t free the Advance games from GBA prison.

>>718325732
Sonic Mania would have been 4 levels long without Sonic Team interfering.

>>718313925
They are okay. Mania is significantly better than those.

>>718319328
Mania wasn't for newcomers. It is for the fans of the classic Sonic games.

>>718325852
And that was their one good suggestion.

>>718326028
I meant the general overall hype, anon. It doesn't specifically have to be for the classics

>>718320315
Sonic Mania during it’s honeymoon phase was great fun but many years later I never find myself going back and playing it, I feel people overhype it too much, most of the levels are just rehashed old levels, the special stages are the worst imo they’re basically Sonic R lite (I think even Chaotix had better special stages), Studiopolis is overrated too, Mirage Saloon is the best new stage all only brought down by the fact that Act 1 is just a lame Sky Chase and very short, HydroCity? Hydrossity? Is the worst rehashed stage with its slow bubble gimmick where you have to slowly float inside bubbles to progress and it’s a huge downgrade from the original.

Mania was riding high off the shitshow of Boom and other MobileSlop games, that’s how low Sonic standards were, crazy to think about.

>>718320470
The original Sonic was going for a late 80s ray tracing CG style aesthetic, think early Pixar animations, and the style Sega also used in Bonanza Bros. You can see it especially in the palm trees in Green Hill Zone and the bonus area. And a lot of the promotional art for Sonic 1 and Sonic CD also used it.

But, I think the art style in Sonic Mania 2 was attempting this look too. Shame, as I love that look, it fits perfectly with Sonic.

>>718320470
The Outback Zone is like what would happen if Crash Bandicoot broke into Sonic Mania.

>>718320470
Tee Lopes never said that image is from Sonic Mania 2. He said it was from a cancelled 2D Sonic game. That game is not pixel art but closer to a 2.5D design and honestly looks more like an early concept for Sonic Superstars.

>>718319601
what's The Hole?

>>718321308
Hell, say what you will about Pomni but her character design is very cute and charming, I’m surprised we haven’t gotten an Amazing Digital Circus games yet I don’t keep up with the pilots

>>718326598
newfag...

>pic Roskur's Run
Look to indies for new 2D classic experiences.

>>718327332
>That ugly art
No thanks

>>718327332
Too zoomed out, and looks like a Metroidvania. There hasn't been anything like Sonic that isn't Sonic.

>>718313431 (OP)
I love pixel art so much.
Good pixel art arouses me.

>>718328442
>40 second long video
>only runs into one enemy/obstacle
Sonic fangames are all style no substance.

>>718328442
hold right to awesome!

>>718328442
no one would play this except your dumb autistic ass

>>718328654
>>718328729
>

>>718321503
More like
>Show off new game
>"Ew this color pallet is awful. We don't want to make this."
>"Fuck you we're gonna make our own game with hookers and blackjack"
>Releases Penny
>"Ewww this game looks ugly WTF is this?"
Some of this was Penny's dogshit design but its not like the rest of the game looked great either

>>718313431 (OP)
I personally wish they made a 2D-HD Sonic game, but that's pretty good.

>>718328442
yeah the pixel art is nice but that's really all it has going for it

>>718326792
Who the fuck told you to bring this shit here? Go back.

>>718329202
>>718323102

>>718329182
>>718329370
>>718329484
>

uh oh melty!

>>718329518
>They/them are still going
nice pfp

>>718329308
OP's image doesn't really have the issues Penny's art direction had, Penny used it to a worse extent.

>>718313724
thats because 50% of it is copy/pasted from old games, lol

>>718330032
which happens to be the weaker 50% lol

>>718329635
>>718329806
>

>>718330294
quit subjecting this thread to pictures of your ugly ass mug fatass and get back to work on your shitty fangame that you'll never complete

>>718313536
agreed. easily 50% reused content (including the same blue spheres maps. they couldnt even make new ones). chase the ufo is fucking retarded. you can fall off of tails's plane. half of the bosses suck, and it relies too heavily on member berries. the new stages they added werent particularly great either.

>>718330548
>

>>718325371
Based

>>718316084
Mn°9 was doomed from the start, that design looked fucking retarded

>>718321715
>"Is that... KAN- I mean GREEN HILL ZONE?!!!"

>>718328442
Individual sprites look decent, but the whole scene doesn't quite work because of fucked up palette that's all over the place. The foreground blends with the background.

>>718326241
My problems with Mania really boil down to it being all about low friction except when it spontaneously isn't, honestly. Hold the down button to roll, hit the spots and the levels are designed to easily let you sail through most of them besides the occasional obstruction, but it's really easy to discover them and just coast on through. Then you get a boss fight that is just absolute fucking ass to want to sit through and play because several of them heavily de-incentivize aggressive play or are only vulnerable at awkward, select periods - when they aren't just reusing old bosses with a slight twist or addition.

It's still a fine enough game, but even with me hating Sandopolis because I can never properly remember the routes in Act 2, I'd still rather play 3&K any day of the week because it's a more consistent game overall that encourages some risky play if you know what you're doing, and isn't afraid to force you out of the comfort zone for a challenge or obstacle.

>>718316084
>superstars is so ugly that people can't believe a sonic game can look like OP's picture.

Kek, that's just Penny's graphics and art style in a 2D plane.

>>718333291
Yeah and you fags have done nothing but shit on Penny ever since it came out.

>>718332956
>"ITS MOTOBUG!!!"

>>718328729
>>718328654
>sonic is all about going fast!
>here lets stop you ever 5 seconds with traps and enemies to slow you down

>>718318643
>Unleashed was also called "Sonic World Adventure"
>This makes Unleashed Adventure 3
>Sonic fans believe the Adventure series invented the word "adventure" and has exclusive rights to the word
Tails Pocket Adventure is an Adventure game, everybody/

>>718319773
>The sonic Adventure sonics not on here, but movie sonic is

The fuck?

>>718333869
>sonic is all about going fast!

>>718333291
Yep, penny graphics are great, Sega should've Evening Start went with their style instead of try to force shit on them.

>>718333601
>you fags

Fuck you tranny, you'll never speak for me, go dilate bitch.

>>718317498
why?

>>718322076
Mania being critically acclaimed is just a fact. I don't use twitter nor am I a tranny, I swear these things live rent free in your obsessed schizo brain.

>>718318414
>>>the returning levels
>that was sega's doing
so if you pretend it didn't happened then it doesn't count?

>>718318643
And they're all terrible, just like Adventure 1 and 2.

>>718319016
>they can only appreciate this series by insisting it's been dogshit for half of its lifespan
It has, yes.

>>718327332
this plays nothing like sonic

>>718333869
>a platformer should have obstacles
Yes.

>>718334253
desu, that's actually good looking, and a bout a thousand times better than any modern Sonic with their flat rubbery graphics.
Just a shame Penny herself is such a nothing character. They really dropped the ball there.
Has anyone just modded Sonic into this yet?

>>718315201
Sonic Rush forever.

>>718318559
>>Greedy Sega gooks stole enemy concepts and mechanics from this prototype, then inserted them in Superstars but received all the credit
>>and probably didn't even pay the Mania devs for their ideas
>lmao fuck them
As someone who actually works in the industry and lurks here for fun, I just wanted to comment on this. Whenever you pitch a game to a company, you often sign an NDA and a forfeiture of said idea and contents of the pitch to the company. In other words, the company you pitch to owns the contents of the pitch and you aren’t allowed to talk about it, potentially indefinitely and others for a decade if not more depending on the contract. The reason Sega did this was because it’s industry standard and devs sign this paper willingly, it’s literally their property now. You can’t strong arm a contract like this because ultimately you need the publisher and not the other way around.

>>718318545
>then why on earth did it sell well?
>>718318661
>Marketing.
>Appealing to current market trends.
Are you two forgetting that Sega literally bribed reviewers with an all inclusive week trip to Hawaii? This was an actual thing, look it up

>>718335559
You work and browse 4chan?

>>718335691
>You work and browse 4chan?
Yes, but I rarely post. When I do, it’s when I see things that need clarification.

>>718335960
Ohhhhh. What's the best 3D Sonics? Adventure style? Boost style? Riders?

>>718334253
Game looks fun, shame it didn't sell well.

>>718336171
>Ohhhhh. What's the best 3D Sonics? Adventure style? Boost style? Riders?
That’s a really weird question considering they’re all different. Whatever you personally like? All these games have different philosophies and one is a completely different genre (Riders). I’m not sure what you’re getting at

>>718335632
Yeah. That's marketing.
What, you think reviewers and influencers aren't part of the marketing budget?

>>718319589
Not them but
>Best selling Pokemon entries to date
>AssCreed Origins
>Elden Ring
>Monster Hunter World
>Diablo 4
To say nothing of all the gacha slop that made infinite money by ripping off BotW.

>>718318527
>Yeah the new bosses fucking suck BUT THEY'RE ORIGINAL!
But enough about Superstars...

>>718330565
>agreed. easily 50% reused content (including the same blue spheres maps. they couldnt even make new ones).
except they did.
>chase the ufo is fucking retarded.
sonic cd is retarded?
>you can fall off of tails's plane.
just like in sonic 2 and sonic 4.
>half of the bosses suck, and it relies too heavily on member berries.
just like... every sonic game since generations

>>718330565
>>718340152
>Sonic fans try to critique Mania as if the game is inferior to the other games
>most of their "problems" with Mania are things that were either in the original games, or in other contemporary Sonic games
>say the new stuff "wasn't great" but doesn't elaborate any further
lmao

>>718314771
>pixelshart
are you blind or retarded

>>718317125
ok pal go play your shitty $60 lite version of Sonic Mania consoomer

>>718328442
Everything looks nice except Sonic, which is the most important thing and they fucked it up

>>718313612
Since soldier soldier soldier king?

>>718318868
Every modern boost except Unleashed Sonic game is a romhack of the previous installment.

>>718342689
I think it's because his palette looks like Sonic 1's, but it just doesn't work for some reason

>>718318868
It's unironically less of a romhack than Frontiers.

>>718319328
>the hole
>the pre-release press garden theories evolving into sakura synagogue
>black sonic & fake screenshot leaks
>mark leaking the entire game. DOUBLE NIGGER
sad to know the fake leaks that were posted here have been lost to time, these were pure genius

>>718318868
Every modern boost Sonic game (except Unleashed) is a romhack of the previous installment.

>>718319328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98eoSTr8ips
You had to be there

>>718343341
erm his name is NIGGER sonic

>>718317456
Press Garden Act 1 was meh, it felt kind of "rom hack-y". But Act 2 was as good as Studiopolis and Mirage Saloon. Titanic Monarch was ok, just the obligatory final level, not a very exciting theme

>>718343235
No the sprite itself fucking sucks

>>718319709
>The new levels weren't good and most of the game was just nostalgia pandering.

>>718343824
you cant enjoy things anymore especially Sonic in current year unless its subversive or deconstructs him.

>>718344106
>running around and inside a giant eggman mech
>not a very exciting theme

>>718344050
i forgot until after i posted it, you are right my bad

>>718313536
Fpbp absolutely correct, but /v/ can't handle the truth

>>718344902
The truth is that Generations had the same "nostalgia pandering" problem, if not worse, yet you don't see any revisionist BS for that game

Ever since this whole Mania 2 thing got shown, there has been this idea spread around, usually in response to people saying "SEGA fumbled", that the reason why this didn't get pushed into production is because Evening Star said no, and they actually wanted to work on Penny this whole time, or something which no, this isn't the case. We know this isn't the case because we have direct confirmation from the people involved.
>"There was a period after the development of Sonic Mania when we worked with them to consider concepts for the next generation of Classic Sonic," Iizuka says. "It's too bad that it didn't become a finished game. Still, I'm pleased that the next generation of Classic Sonic that we talked about with them has been achieved with Superstars."
>"When you make a 2D game using pixel art, you kind of end up targeting a very specific core audience," he says. "We wanted to bring this game to as many people as possible and in order to really make it look and feel as appealing to a wider audience, we needed to use the 3D assets to really give it that current look. But we do know that core fans want that old Classic Sonic look, they want that old classic Sonic feel, so we focused on making sure the controls were solid and the look and the feel was really representative of a classic Sonic game."
Iizuka specifically wanted a "Mania 2" to be something that tried to evolve Sonic forward. He was pretty anal about pushing a specific look for classic sonic, he says "current look" here

>>718318184
This clown fanbase is trying to convince people that all of the good games are actually overrated and trash, while all of the bad games are actually underrated gems. I expect people to say that Shadow Gens was bad in a few more years.

>>718345592
It is bad, all the boost games are boostslop

Mania is mid

>>718314679
MM9 and 10 are the best
11 was a bore

>>718345140
Generations has fun boost gameplay and was the first to do the nostalgia gimmick. Mania does nothing special but nostalgia pander when Forces was doing the same thing too.

>>718345592
Shadow Generations deserves to be criticized for being so short and lacking a stage from Shadow 05 (and honestly more variety from other Sonic games), not to mention the high price tag. Even on sale the price is too high.

>>718346919
>Generations has fun boost gameplay and was the first to do the nostalgia gimmick.
Mania has fun gameplay.
>Mania does nothing special but nostalgia pander when Forces was doing the same thing too.
Forces was released after Mania.

>>718347319
Boost stages take more effort to make fun than 2D stages.

>>718347407
More than half of Generations is in 2D.

>>718328442
great pixel art, but that is some bland ass level design. always the case with these sonic romhacks. every. single. time.

>>718347564
Just because it's on a 2D plane and has pixel graphics doesn't make it a ROMhack anon

>>718313536
The new levels were fantastic what are you smoking

>>718346919
>Generations ... was the first to do the nostalgia gimmick.
Sonic 4 and Sonic Pocket Adventure

>>718345140
>yet you don't see any revisionist BS for that game
Where the fuck were you when Shadow Generations came out? You had a ton of people suddenly shitting on Gens to lift up Shadow Gens.

>>718328442
now post the other levels

>>718316510
>N-No I haven't played it.
indeed, nobody did LMAO
penny's big flop

This thread fucking sucks.

>>718348642
I mostly saw people complaining about the changes being made to the Generations portion if anything, and asking Sega to leave things as is.

>>718316619
> Sonic's design is miles better than Penny's
we know and the sales reflect this

>>718348674
You mean the water level that goes on for 8 minutes and just repeats the same 2 gimmicks over and over?

Normies love shitty 3D? Is that it, is that why all the classics look dogshit these days. Damn I thought devs did it because it's cheaper than good pixel/sprite work. First personal hit for me was Metroid Fusion, fuckin hate that game. Then it was Contra Operation Galuga, I don't remember if Sonic Superstars came before or after. Same with all Nintendo games too, although I'm not a retarded tendie to care much about them but at least the classics had soul

>>718349296
Fusion's pixel art was great, did you mean Dread?

Mania was peak "HIRE.FANS." that's why twitter is in love with it
it was always a mediocre game propped up by the remains of superior games

Superstars is mid

>>718349410
no that would be frontiers

>>718349410
>sonic frontiers
Sega HIRED THIS MAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxjz3Zio_fc

>>718349410
>Mania was peak "HIRE.FANS." that's why twitter is in love with it
>it was always a mediocre game propped up by the remains of superior games
https://youtu.be/lmhjqLxRIPs

>>718349368
Whoops, yeah I meant Dread. I got into metroid just before it was announced and after playing amazing looking AM2R I was in for a big disappointment

Frontiers is mid.

>>718319936
This might be my favorite Tee Lopes composed track, period.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AljyfUWbvss

>>718349739
>>718349894
Hello newfriends
"HIRE.FANS." and "Hire this man" are not the same thing
Hope this helps!

>>718319936
these sound like shit lmao, not sure what you're trying to prove here

>>718350901
My mistake, I'm not a twittertranny

>>718351082
>these sound like shit lmao, not sure what you're trying to prove here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGso3hph72A
Fuck off Jun, you hack

>>718347828
contrarianism

>>718313431 (OP)
this looks bad, visually. Not sure what people are freaking out over, its a mock up.

>>718351082
Hi, Senoue.

>>718351269
cry harder Lopez, nothing you've made or ever will make will be a tenth as good as this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A2lG_KDySo

>>718351438
>27 year old track
keep living in the past you washed up clown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3gQ6ot46lE

>>718351438
you're a joke, tee
nobody gives a shit about you outside the most obsessed of sonic autists, that's why everything else you do flops

>>718351634
>"AIEEEE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO POST GOOD MUSIC! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ONLY LISTEN TO MY CHERRYPICKS! THAT GOES AGAINST MY NARRATIVE!!!"

>>718351770
meant for this faggot, of course :) >>718351634

>>718351778
>>718351836
>"AIEEEE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO POST GOOD MUSIC! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ONLY LISTEN TO MY CHERRYPICKS! THAT GOES AGAINST MY NARRATIVE!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBBgb3UEAKU
>>718351770
...Literally who?

>>718352019
>"Literally who?"
>maniasecondary doesn't know anything about sonic
lmao, typical

>>718351634
>my ocean of consistently mediocre 4/10 slop makes me a better composer than you, who's made multiple albums chock full of 11/10 masterpieces, because your current music is kinda bad, actually

>>718351770
>>718352141
>that's why everything else you do flops
that's why Tee lopes keeps getting hired for other franchises and Jun is stuck working on sonic lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tee_Lopes#Video_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jun_Senoue#Works

>>718352104
I know he made a bunch of shitty tracks for Sonic 3D blast and Sonic R that don't even fit Sonic

If there was any definitive proof that Sonic fans have no taste whatsoever, this thread is it

>>718352340
If you're talking about the retard larping as Jun Senoue I agree

>>718352183
>that's why Tee lopes keeps getting hired for other franchises
a couple of indie games and other sega properties?
that's your best response?
even your own link shows Jun having a billion more works under his belt, I think being at retirement age with more money than he'll ever need means he's allowed to just do sonic occassionally for fun
unlike tee who has to scramble for the nearest indie scraps to stay alive and beg sega for gibs

>>718352416
>even your own link shows Jun having a billion more works under his belt, I think being at retirement age with more money than he'll ever need means he's allowed to just do sonic occassionally for fun
Jun has been in the business longer, big shock dumbass

>>718352416
tbf Jun Senoue's been composing for Sonic since 3&K, he's got a two decade head start on Lopes

>>718352340
how am i supposed to refine my tastes when both sides are posting songs i like

>>718352416
Contra, Metal Slug and Tomba are not Sega properties.

thread theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eW6YnKz8jg

>>718352821
Appropriate. It's a gay circus.

>>718352692
contra operation galuga (wayforward) and metal slug tactics (some french nobodies) absolutely are indie games lmao
and "credits theme arrangement" for a tomba port ain't exactly serious work
point is no serious company is hiring tee lopes, he's an indie darling, only people who are on twitter 24/7 care about him

>>718352901
He just started retard. Only Sega is hiring Jun and they aren't a serious company at this point

>>718352901
>O-ok He's getting non-Sega work, b-but not the work I care about those don't count

>>718352987
>He just started retard
he's been at it for 12 years
he's 40

>>718353085
Only sega hired jun his whole career.

>>718353074
>Say "just a couple indies and sega games"
>erm, what about these?
>"Those are indies, like I said"
>oh so now they don't count arbitrarily?
you're mentally deficient

>>718353225
Only sega hired jun.

>>718353147
he's not a freelancer like say, yuzo koshiro
he's part of sega
it's not like they're gonna let him do other shit
it's like saying koji kondo has only worked with nintendo

>>718353372
Yes, because Tee Lopes is a better composer than kondo

>>718353372
>>718353225
Is LOL indie?

>>718353542
you're insane and/or retarded

>>718353542
You're right, forgive me for speaking ill against the illustrious man who composed for somecallmejohnny, caddicarus, and scott the woz
Truly a recognized legend in the industry

>>718352416
>League of Legends is a small indie game

>>718354051
cry harder zoomie
your hero is a nobody
nobody gives a shit about him, only indies will hire him

>>718354124
>no argument

>>718354157
>no work

>>718354124
>>718354195
>No response

>>718354232
>no games
>no money
>no love

>>718354272
Why won't you address this? >>718354051

>>718354330
>HE MADE 1 (ONE) SONG FOR A LEAGUE LOADING SCREEN (WITH ANOTHER GUY)!!!
>HE'S A REAL COMPOSER!!!
>IGNORE THE FACT HE ONLY WORKS FOR RANDOM INDIES AND YOUTUBERS

>>718352416
>>718354365
>Jake Kaufman isn't a good composer cause he only does indies

>>718354687
the point isn't the games he does, it's the fact that only the same clique hires him
jake kaufman has worked for plenty of non-indie games btw