Thread 718343834

How do you go from one million players on Xbox alone in Halo 3 to less than a thousand on Xbox+ PC for Halo Infinite?

This is too crazy, Microsoft should sue someone

They should have added aim down sight back in 2008

Halo was big when it was the only decent console shooter. But thats not the case anymore. Eventually the only thing that set it apart from other FPS was the setting and they completely fucked that up.

>>718343834 (OP)
halo needs black trans disabled women vitiligo down syndrome musulman

>>718343834 (OP)
>Star Wars and Halo fanbases tend to crossover
>Both IPs have been dragged through the mud for years and years
Its crazy how bad these companies allow things to get

>>718343996
Why do people say this? It's clearly untrue, because Xbox 360 had CoD and Battlefield alongside Halo, the former even taking the number one spot consistently by 2009. Halo was still doing fine for years afterwards until Halo 4 where it almost instantly went to shit within 1 single year.

>Xbox+PC
>posts only Steam numbers
Kill yourself LOL
It hasn't made sense to build a PC for gaming in like ten years.

>>718343834 (OP)
>Then:
>Like 2 evergreen games on the market that people will play for more than a month
>Both are buy in pay to play
>Now:
>100,000 skinner box f2p trash and even pay to play are filled to the brim with retarded MTX
>Please keep playing or you won't get your daily drip fed premium currency :)

>>718343834 (OP)
>halo player pretends to have standards

>>718344161
quit smoking meth

>>718343996
>Using our algorithm based on Google Trends, COD's player count for August 16, 2025 is estimated to be 646,585

CoD has had nowhere near the drop-off like halo did, even though halo was more multifaceted than CoD

>>718344161
good morning xsaar

>>718343834 (OP)
Halo was a passion project for a handful of nerds from Washington state. After they completed the trilogy they did two spinoff games and left to create their dream game Destiny.

Video games are always better when they're made by passionate nerds who actually like gaming and aren't out for a paycheck

>>718344029
kek
>CAPTCHA: BASEDPT

>Have this mostly gritty sci-fi shooter with high science fiction concepts in a pretty straight forward shooter with arena styled multiplayer
>Fuck up those core concepts hard.
How do you fuck up the basic shit so hard? Humanity were advanced but still technologically inferior to their enemies and other alien species, making up for it with raw ingenuity and grit, the human element. The Covenant were wiping out entire planets, humanity were on their last legs during the end of the war and yet despite it all we made it through the other side with heavy losses. It's the hope during the darkest times that made Halo and most military fiction so fun. 343 games don't capture that feeling. They don't capture being one ship running away from a Covenant fleet, they don't capture the feeling of the Covenant throwing their entire weight towards Earth, they don't capture the feeling of fighting against the flood and they certainly don't capture the feeling of being an ODST deep into the battlefield and against all odds being "just" a well trained soldier, coming out the other side. Halo works best as a military fiction series with high sci-fi concepts being the window dressing. Even then, 343 fucks up those high sci-fi concepts.

>>718343834 (OP)
>How do you go from one million players on Xbox alone in Halo 3 to less than a thousand on Xbox+ PC for Halo Infinite?
Easy. By having Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare MOG you.

Ain't nobody got time for space aliens when there is Sand Naggers to shoot.

>>718344425
>Halo was a passion project
mmm yes my passion is a watered down generic piece of shit

>How do you go from one million players on Xbox alone in Halo 3 to less than a thousand on Xbox+ PC for Halo Infinite?

Modern Warfare.

I was a xbox 360 halobro. I remember being really disappointed when I heard that there'd be no halo 4 because "master chief's story was over" and the only sequel would be halo wars. So I gave up on halo and never looked back. Glad I did because I seemed to have escaped at the peak!

>>718344495
Halo 3 was easily competing with prime Modern Warfare 2

>>718344494
>mmm yes my passion is a watered down generic piece of shit
Yes Anon we're all well aware how much you love FIFA and COD and Fortnite

>>718344425
>After they completed the trilogy they did two spinoff games and left to create their dream game Destiny.
And then it fucking sucked

>>718344494
Just leave the thread faggot

>>718343834 (OP)
1. There was nothing else to play
2. Zoomers don't care about arena shooters and people who care about them all have jobs or quit playing video games

>>718343834 (OP)
infinite killed itself when they broke the most popular game mode, BTB, and didnt fix it for months
it never recovered from that

>>718343834 (OP)
There's no point in playing it. Why play some story that can't choose what direction it wants to go and has half of the important shit happen off screen. Why play a multiplayer that is barebones on launch every time?

>>718344714
BASED BTB enjoyer.

We had no idea what we had.
That period of time where Halo 3 was on the horizon, the talks of the Halo movie, the Believe campaign, Landfall etc. Halo was always a casual franchise but it was our casual franchise damn it. It was our sci-fi universe to play in, it was our military kino to experience, it was our alien bastards that we killed for shooting up our ride. I hate this current era where nothing is allowed to rest, everything has to be a franchise to live forever destroying the legacy of what came before. Every sci-fi IP is going through this and I fucking hate it.

>>718344629
Of course I love those games, I'm a halo fan after all.

>>718344636
Make me? bitch

>>718344626
>Halo 3 was easily competing with prime Modern Warfare 2
Even if that were true (and I don't believe it is) how is that relevant? As I remember it, Modern Warfare one knocked the wind out of Halo 3's sails and Halo never really recovered.

I really cant stand this "Halo was already falling off" excuse, I personally think it was massive copium from Microsoft, 343Industries and those disgusting apologists, evident from how well Halo 4, Master Chief Collection, Halo 5 and Halo Infinite sold/did time after time.
The biggest hurdle was ALWAYS keeping people around, 343Industries just made dogshit games and it resulted in people leaving, and they consistently fucked up post launch content.

If you even dive into Halo Infinites multiplayer development you could find tons of information regarding the fact that the game was originally going to be a hero shooter until someone at MS saw what 343 were doing and told them to fuck off which is why the game felt disgustingly unfinished, they dropped everything and had to repurpose most of the content and gameplay, I'm pretty sure one of the concept artists for Halo Infinite posted some of these hero shooter designs on his workstation and explained in more detail.

The reality is that 343 are fucking HORRIBLE and they are willing to do anything but make a halo game and everything to avoid making making a Halo that plays exactly like Halo CE, 2 and 3 because they literally just hate the way fans jerk off bungie's golden era and their studio culture is toxic as fuck in this regard

>>718345371
Why the fuck does Microsoft keep making decisions about Halo with people that actively hate Halo? 343 outright admitted it several times and the Halo tv show writers showed a lot of disdain for the series.

>>718345357
Modern Warfare one only temporarily took over Halo 3 before falling off. Halo was the no. 1 spot on Xbox Live until MW2, when it shifted down to no. 2. From that point on Halo was consistently behind CoD but always within top 5 online games, typically 2nd behind CoD (for certain months there were two CoD games taking both no. 1 and 2 spots). Halo 4 released in the spot where Halo games typically had been and within less than a year had fallen off of Xbox Lives top 20 (at the time both Halo 3 and Halo Reach were in the top 20)

>>718345357
Halo was still very popular going into the Reach days, but COD was top dog during that era.

>>718346052
>Halo was still very popular going into the Reach days, but COD was top dog during that era.
That i do remember. Halo was still popular, but Modern Warfare had eclipsed it. Especially since it was multi-platform.

>>718346052
Well yeah Reach added a bunch of shit people didn't like as well as the script leak made the story sound fucking terrible.

>>718344495
to some degree this.
Halo 1 was an accident (cool story)
Halo 2's multiplayer and online was pretty much 1 guys project and he left after 2. Look into Halo2's production, it was a mess. (great campaign)
Halo 3, in my opinion they leaned to heavily into making multiplayer MLG friendly and made multiplayer boring. (boring campaign)
Halo Reach, they tried to copy Modern Warfare's sprint, but they already proved they were incompetent with how they balanced 3. (well paced/structured campaign)
After Halo 3, since they were having trouble filling up Big Team Battle games, 8v8, they started making 6v6 modes and focusing on smaller modes. Match making was slow for them. Back then I just started playing MW2 out of boredom with Halo 3. When Reach's multiplayer proved garbage I fulled switched to Black Ops 1.

Halo 4 was basically Halo Reach Multiplayer, so it was garbage
Halo 5 was great, but the fanbase was to shitty and old to know any better.
Halo Infinite is boring Halo 3 all over again.

>>718344150
>the former even taking the number one spot consistently by 2009
Halo was losing the top spot even back in 2007. By the time Reach came out, nobody cared because MW2 completely changed the console landscape.

>>718346419
>Halo 3, in my opinion they leaned to heavily into making multiplayer MLG friendly
Why do you think that?

>>718346452
It wasn't consistently though. MW1 was no. 1 for I believe the first two months of its release but then Halo 3 took over again until MW2

Halo died after reach for me. I had a wonderful time with it. Made irl friends because of halo 3. Halo had its time and that time ended.

>>718346639
Halo 3 was able to claw its way back up to #1 some months, but the writing was already on the wall by that point. Look at >>718346052. Reach was barely holding 100k concurrent players a year in.

>>718346664
Indeed, I just wish the corpse stopped being dug up like every other old IP.

>recently get the itch to play 2, 3 & Reach
>MCC 150gb
retards not compressing they're game files will ensure this shit never gets played

>>718343834 (OP)
halo infinites launch was so botched pretty much everyone dropped that shit
I recently gave it a second chance years after the fact and it's ok.

>>718346790
Yeah, it’s unfortunate.

>>718346730
Was 100k concurrent not really good numbers for back then, especially since it's known Halo was only really popular in specific Western countries? Do we know what the concurrent numbers were for other Xbox 360 fps games in 2010-11?

>>718346808
I make space for it once in a while. It’s pretty gay tho

>>718343834 (OP)
I'm pretty sure it's the only major franchise whose entire dev team quit to pursue other titles.

I wonder if halo ce on pc disc still has a multiplayer community. I remember playing on a handful of full servers a few years back. Shit was fun.

>>718345537
Microsoft unironically need to pull the plug on 343 and remove them from the equation. Their studio is a poisoned well.
From game testers to sandbox designers, they all need to go.

>>718346664
As sad as it is, the FPS audience has moved on from no-sprint no-ADS games. Give Halo to a zoomer and watch them convulse as they discover that the scope button is the right stick. I don't see a future where Halo can succeed while also sticking to its guns, so maybe it's just time to let it go.

>>718346923
It was the perfect launch window too, they were going up against dumpster fires like BF2042. It's impressive how incompetent 343 continue to be

>>718344494
>no argument

>>718343834 (OP)
That title still goes to Crash Bandicoot

New halo doesn't have the pizaz halo 3 or reach had.

The maps when I played it were pretty dull. They didn't release forge mode which was a driver for custom games and replayability from the previous games.

The battle pass system completely ruined progression. In old games it was fun to unlock armor, now you had to pay to access basic colors and helmets. Just overall felt like a ripoff.

Also in terms of gameplay it became quick kill call of duty, rather than essentially dueling with a slower movement and focusing on headshots to kill your enemy faster even if you were fired upon first.

>>718347003
>Was 100k concurrent not really good numbers for back then
No.

>>718347492
>The battle pass system completely ruined progression
To be fair, Reach ruined that too. It turned armor from a display of your achievements to how much time you spent in Grifball.

>>718343834 (OP)
Microsoft had plenty of opportunities to course correct and restructure/close 343 when Halo 5 was fucking dogshit that everyone hated and the MCC literally did not work for 4-5 years but they chose to do nothing. Microsoft doesn't get to sue anyone when they created 343 from the ground up themselves, and let it fester for more than a decade.

This is just what happened to a franchise when it's run by a corporate board of directors instead of people with a fucking vision and a love for video games.

Humans are Forerunners.

>>718347501
Was that on launch though? Because there are screenshots of Halo 3 having 1 million concurrent on launch.

>>718347785
>Was that on launch though?
June 2010, so the game was out for nearly half its lifetime.
>Because there are screenshots of Halo 3 having 1 million concurrent on launch.
Halo 3's count wasn't concurrent, it was unique users over the past 24 hours.

>>718343834 (OP)
My neighbor is a lead at 343,been there for fifteen years. What should I say to him?

Absurd amount of emotion and love put into humanity’s struggle against the covenant, idk why I would want to keep playing these games after the events of 3

>>718347897
Tell him to stop hiring fucking indian "engineers", they suck.

>>718346419
>halo 2 great campaign
>halo 3 boring campaign
>Halo 5 was great
why do halo 2 cultists always have the objectively worst opinions?

halo 3 had the most refined campaign with the most memorable combat sandbox moments. multiplayer was very well balanced, and the introduction of forge practically created an underground spin-off game akin to Garry's Mod.

>>718347018
the original games combined add up to like 30gb, what's all the extra shit? they didn't make new textures or anything

>>718347981
I looked up his team and they are all white though. Probably contracts to India though

>>718348000
I think the Halo 2 Remaster CG cutscenes take up a lot.

>>718347890
more games should use that to look more alive lol

>>718347984
Halo 3's campaign sucks. It's easy, short, and half of the missions are filler.

>>718346808
>they're
You have compressed your brain.
>decompression is magic that just happens magically
Assuming you ever had one.

>>718348068
343 is dogshit, no one even cares about that

>>718343834 (OP)
I have a lot of fun with Infinite but all the movement options and time to kill makes it a sweat fest which I don't mind all the time but it's not what I think of when I think of all the fun I used to have with Halo 1-3 as a teenager.

The Storm and the Banished fucking suck compared to the Covenant. The Banished has potential but none of it is being used.

I think Halo was just a product of its time. Halo 2 on Xbox Live back in 2004 was insane to me, as a teenager. Arguing with Americans was the funniest shit. I'm old now so meh. I still prefer Halo to CoD but I did move on eventually to Call of Duty like everyone else did during the CoD4 days.

>>718347984
>Data Hive
>A
>all those banger ass missions at C
obvious bait is obvious

>>718343834 (OP)
>have a trilogy whose games are properly connected with each other into an overreaching story, ending with an alliance between former enemies to fight a bigger threat
>we even had a proper prequel, a side story and pretty good RTS of all things
>games go from decent enough to downright 9/10 amazing
>343 takes control of the series
>instead of writing a proper new trilogy focusing on the Forerunners or a new war between factions, they just fuck everything up because they're too busy shilling multiplayer
>would you like some fries with your order of Cortana character assassination?
>and then they still fuck the multiplayer up because everything now has to be GAAS

Can't even say that Bungie should take the series back because they're about to be absorbed by Sony Studios after the fatal fiasco that was Marathon.

>This is too crazy, Microsoft should sue someone
>implying it wasn't Microsoft execs one of the main reasons the series went to shit

I don't care what happens to Halo because MCC has mod tools. That is all I could have ever asked them to do with the franchise outside of making Blam open source.

>>718348430
not that I disagree, but my point was more that H2 missions unanimously rank pretty low compared to H3

I wouldn't rank any ODST missions above B, they were pretty meh. Not bad but not great.

>>718348458
What pisses me off is that they don't even do AI rampancy correctly, so Cortana's behaviour makes less sense.

>>718348458
>Can't even say that Bungie should take the series back
I think you should just move on. Even if Bungie did the people who made Halo back in the 2000s arent there anymore

>>718348047
Halo Infinite was 80% made by outsourced indian "talent". That's a big reason why it was so non functional on launch. Anyone who has worked with outsourced jeets will tell you as I am now, no matter how absurd the requirements they always say
>yes saar, we will do the needful do not worry
If they think it will make the client happy. They will never push back and never suggest something is infeasible in a time frame. They don't care when they fail to meet a milestone because theyll just lie and push it back again. I guarantee that Halo Infindia was suffering from exactly this, and that this was the reason you couldn't even have a slayer lobby on launch.

>>718346808
>retards not compressing they're game files will ensure this shit never gets played

I'm pretty sure most of it are the HD graphics they use for 1 and 2, especially since you can freely toggle them in and out during gameplay, so they're always present and there's no way to not download them. I'm currently playing the MCC, Halo 2 would take like 10-15 seconds to load each mission while 3 only takes like 5.

>>718343834 (OP)
Yes and no, Halo ran its course from 2001-2007 as a multiplayer shooter. When COD4 took the crown, that was Halo's ticket to switch to a singleplayer-only series. Halo could have, by this point, taken from Doom and Half-Life while keeping it Halo putting the power fantasy back into the player character Master Chief but Halo didn't do this. Halo died because it kept trying to fight a battle it was never going to win while ignoring its strength. At least 343 learned this with Infinite, and Halo Studios seems to be making even more corrections for the future of the series such as finally making the campaigns and multiplayer their own games made by third parties while they just lead the development. Anyone thinking Halo can still compete with the big dogs as a multiplayer franchise needs to give it up, those days are long gone.

Infinite isn't a terrible game. People exaggerate. A new CoD slop comes out yearly from different teams and some are complete garbage. Halo hasn't had a release in 4 years and despite what people say the market for a new halo isn't very big anymore. Everyone moved on.

>>718344150
Halo was having a slow death. It was already a casual franchise and its competitors just took Halo 2's regenerative system and made a more casual game from it. Halo was clearly on its way out.

>remove any semblance of split screen in single player or multiplayer
>game dies
whoa

>>718349267
It wasn't slow at all though? It was extremely sudden, in under 2 years following Halo 4's release

>>718343834 (OP)
Halo Infinite saved the Halo franchise

>>718349392
It started in 2007, by 2009, you knew COD was taking over, by Reach, it was already done. Microsoft knew Halo being just Halo would kill it, so they try to copy Activision's homework and that killed it anyway. Halo only had one real way to save itself, shifting to a singleplayer franchise like nuDoom did, Halo made the dumb decision to keep trying to stay relevant as a multiplayer game and it finally collapsed in on itself.

>>718349442
...from success

>>718343834 (OP)

>Is Halo the most mismanaged gaming franchise of all time?

Normally these titles are bait threads and/or hyperbole, but it might actually be

Isn't there concrete proof that 343 actively lined their numbers up with people who did not like or play the Bungie titles?

>>718348458
>Can't even say that Bungie should take the series back because they're about to be absorbed by Sony Studios after the fatal fiasco that was Marathon.
They've been making terrible decisions as a studio since Destiny launched

>>718349596
I think multiplayer is essential for halo but it needs to be more casual. Big Team, Forge, and goofy custom games need to take priority over esports. Halo 5 leaned in hard to the esports crowd and it went over like a lead balloon.

>>718349917
I think the Certain Affinity multiplayer game will do better than Infinite because it'll be a better live service out of the gate, but I don't see it challenging others. It'll be something that Halo fans old and new may enjoy. Singleplayer though, that's going to get a huge boost from this since they can now put more focus in it and it now feel like a full gaming experience out of the gate.

>>718349596
If you seriously think Halo was 'dying' in 2007 IDK what to say. Also, just not being #1 does not mean a franchise is dead or over. Battlefield was never top dog during those years and yet it's in a much better place than Halo now because they never had a 343 type situation.

>>718349634
they cant find anyone who can push a product out the door.

halo died in 2009

On one hand I'm kinda sad that literally no one gives a fuck about Halo any more. But then on the other hand, Microsoft fucking deserves it, especially Phil Spencer. That retard stood by and let 343 ruin their flagship franchise 3 times now. Phil killed Halo as much as 343 did.

>>718350262
Battlefield was made to fight COD, a modern shooter. Halo feels like a boomer/Half-Life shooter trying to fit in with modern shooters instead of fitting in with its roots. Infinite was the first attempt since CE where the campaign was given "some" love but they still manage to screw that up and put multiplayer above it. There's a reason why the old heads are no longer at Halo Studios and the studio was rebranded. Now the singleplayers are top dogs, as far as Halo is concerned, it'll take from its roots and make fun singleplayer games. the new MP game will just be for Halo fans old and new, but I don't know if that'll do well or last. It'll sell you on the campaigns though through map advertisements most likely.

>>718350226
>I think the Certain Affinity multiplayer game will do better than Infinite
Didn't that get canned?

>>718350740
No, it's still in the works, they're going to announce a beta for it with the release of the Halo CE remake in 2026, then they'll release the full version with Halo 7 in 2027. They'll all be separate from each other though, unlike Infinite.

Steam went to download an update for Infinite last night. I paused the update, thought for 4 seconds, then just deleted the game. It's not garbage, but it's just Halo

>>718350697
Battlefield was around way before Halo or CoD struck big with online MP

>>718343834 (OP)
halo was never good

>>718351014
I know, but it always had a chance of matching or defeating COD, Halo didn't. Sci-fi shooter popularity was falling out with normalfags. Not even Microsoft believes Halo's multiplayer can be big anymore, and with the rumors of the UE Halo multiplayer, it's clear that Halo MP doesn't really have legs to stand on, I can only see it doing well with esports, maybe some casual modes, and Forge, but that's it. They'll use it as a microtransaction scheme.

>>718343834 (OP)
Halo Infinite is really fun. The gigantic astroturfing campaign against it by Activision on reddit (brainwashing site) is what killed it.

Activision saw how great Infinite would become on PC, so they started forcing redditors to parrot "le infinite bad XDD", which caused retards to avoid it due to the bad rep.

>>718350831
Isn't that the battle royale game? Nobody is going to play that.

>>718347747
WHAT?!

I knew Halo was doomed the moment 343 ditched playable elites in multiplayer because it was "too much work". They've always been a extremely lazy fucking studio with no passion for the series.

>>718351582
Yeah, it's also said to be an extraction shooter. I knew it was dead on arrival when I heard that. At least the campaigns can feel like proper singleplayer FPS video games now taking pages from both Doom and Half-Life while being Halo CE. I think it's over for Halo multiplayer. They should have canned the multiplayer project full stop and just let the e-celeb content creators rage out about it.

>>718349831
Halofreak WKS...

>>718348112
Compress my cock in your mouth

>>718343834 (OP)
Halo is not dead enough.

>>718347984
>halo 3 boring campaign
fuck you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-T6lEYJHm8

How come no one is talking about the multiplayer? I always thought Halo was a more multiplayer based series but it seems like a lot of people actually care about the stories and campaign

>Ctrl+F "Sonic": 0 Results
Strange, isn't it?

>>718352475
I always cared about the campaign more. Also I've always wanted to ejaculate on Cortana's face.

>>718352409
I was quoting >>718346419 retard

>>718347984
>The Library
>not F Tier
opinion discarded. Shut the fuck up you worthless shit.

>>718352475
People like the multiplayer, not doubt about it, but the story and campaign has effort put into it. Badass and charismatic characters with good voice acting, decent story, ad campaign, some really cool cutscenes, great music, cool friendly npc and enemy designs, fun weapons, handful of decent books and comics (most of them suck but there's still some gems if you look), idk what else to say.
https://youtu.be/p61VBqnc8n8?si=3CM2TLhyRf789527&t=521

>>718343834 (OP)
playing Halo CE, you can tell the dev team had a blast making it. it was a game by gamers, for gamers.
nu-Halo completely lacks that. it's not fun. it's not creative or innovative. it never does anything to "WOW" you. it was a game by clueless suits, for shareholders. and it took them 10+ years to finally get rid of Bonnie, Kiki, and Frank O'Connor after endless failures.

>>718352475
I've always been a singleplayer guy. I was never a fan of the multiplayer especially after it led to the gimping of the singleplayer campaigns of Halo.

Claim your Halo track now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzkfFf-6e7Q

>>718343834 (OP)
Nortubel is more mismanaged

>>718353548
https://youtu.be/_KeI0-0hbJI

>>718347492
it's still significantly slower than cod or battlefield but ironically significantly faster than 3 and reach.
I'm having fun with it (gave it a second chance and redownload it) but that's largely because most of the playerbase consists of shitters and Mexicans. You rarely run into sweat stacks

>>718354153
I feel like Infinite is the first Halo game to get the speed right even in campaign. That campaign had a lot of potential and I'm happy the people still at Halo Studio saw that and will be putting what didn't make it in Infinite into the CE remake and Infinite sequel. Multiplayer changes will also no longer affect the singleplayers going forward.

Currently replaying Combat Evolved(only Halo game ive played)
All guns are great, but this thing feels like it should be better than it is.
I shoot someone outside of melee range and the crosshair becomes more of a suggestion than anything.

>>718355028
Fugg, forgot pic.

>>718343834 (OP)
Get woke go broke

>>718343834 (OP)
I want to get into Halo but i find the first game boring as fuck. Are the sequels better?

Halo and starwars are cautionary tales that teach you that you can not hand off an established project or creation to a new group of people and expect it to still function with none of the original or founding members being in control. It reminds me of kingdoms or empires where the guy in charge dies and someone else inherits the throne and immediately everything goes into a decline and falls apart. In the same way that a king or some kind of dictator needs someone hand picked who has been trained to continue things, a proper successor, IPs like these which took years to build need the right people to work on them or else they will just fall apart as well. in the future 50 years from now the fall of rome will be in the same chapter as the story of what happened to starwars and halo.

>>718355438
They're worse, you may like Infinite though despite the development issues, I'm talking about the campaign specifically.

>>718355728
You can, the problem is who you give it to. It's fine to give your franchise to an indie studio or mid-budget studio, but you're borderline retarded if you give it to a corporation, that never ends well.

>>718355102
>>718355028
yeah it's basically a mid(but i mean more like close)/close range option for hosing down a single elite or a bunch of grunts. didn't it have like an absurd mag size in ce lol and it still used like the entire mag to kill 1 elite or something i forget

>>718343834 (OP)
MCC is fine but it desperately needs:
Queue player counts
Map bans or votes
Rotating queues
Because of this the matchmaking that took so long to fix is deliberately gimped and nobody can be bothered. Custom games is full of AFK tards.

>>718343834 (OP)
Halo 5 was one of the most offensive things I've ever experienced.

>>718355883
It has 60 bullets, the Elites usually go down in 30 to 40 in Heroic.

>>718356138
I put 80 hours into halo 4 and it was all forge mode and custom games. The game was trash. Anyone I meet who says halo 4 or 5 was acceptable makes my eye twitch and I will never speak to them again.

>>718355438
Depends what you it is you find boring about CE, but for most players I would say that yes the sequels are better.

>>718356264
i was misremembering then, my b

>>718344138
>Star Wars and Halo fanbases tend to crossover
>Both IPs have been dragged through the mud for years and years
>Its crazy how bad these companies allow things to get

They aren't the only ones. Look at Marvel and DC. Look at fucking Dragon Ball. All went down to shit.
Every single story/fiction based franchise is bound to go down the shitter if they don't end when they need to.
You simply can't keep telling the same story and keep it good forever. Everything needs an end. Even the good things.
It's okay to reuse the same universe, but for most part all the writers do is keeping expanding the same story, eventually ruining it. Things like "diversity quotas" only make the problem worse.
Halo should've ended with Halo 3. Maybe Halo Reach. If they wanted to make a new Halo game, they should've made an entire new story.

>>718343996
Bro stop. Halo redefined the console shooter and FPS in general, and consecutively raped everything for like 3 iterations.

>>718343834 (OP)
Disagreements between MS and Bungie that eventually lead to their split.

343, given increasing authority and code load, was never all that talented. Halo 4, Halo 5, Halo infinite. Could barely manage their own engine. Outside contracted projects were just OK.

Bonnie Ross is a mediocrity. Was never able to band everyone together on "this is what halo MUST be" and "this is what it must NEVER be".

>>718344138
There really is no Halo equivalent of SW acolyte.

>>718345537
Microsoft's people in later years hated guns and the millitary and didn't really believe halo was a long term franchise. It's literally people who see it only as something to slap a label on.

>>718344986
This. COD might be more dominant as an entire franchise, but it never reached the highs of Halo.

>>718347984

>Long night in solace
>D

Disgusting list

>>718346790
>>718346941
The question is, is there anyone there at 343 who gives enough of a fuck to make a good halo?

>>718347897
Tell him that anon has the world's largest supply of AI generated Bonnie Ross rule 34 that is set to be released upon the world when the time is right.

>>718355728
At the very least, you need successors. People you trust, who are passionate about the thing you're giving to them. They don't have to be perfect, but they need to understand the central premise of the thing you made and what fits and doesn't fit for it for future projects. Now, the hard part is for THEM to then find a worthy successor, and for THEM to find a worthy successor... eventually, it will go to shit, but you can ensure at least a generation or two of non-shit

>>718344986
Oh I knew what we had. I thought I could trust the future of the series to Microshart until after I played 4.
And then everything got worse. and worse. And worse.
And it never recovered.

Halo is one of those properties with so much supplemental material you could literally make whatevery ou wanted with the IP but they keep trying to remake the good games and end up making worse ones.
You could make a fucking detective novel, or a horror game. The RTS games were great, yet here we are.

>>718348458
Don't think of games made by companies. It's the PEOPLE that matter. I would bet that Crytek could do a better halo than fucking microsoft right now.

>>718348204
huh

>>718352316
LOOK MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

>>718349634
It wasn't just 343 but also the xbox division. The entire industry was hit with that during the GG/metoo shit. You had people making halo that hated guns and the millitary.

>>718357214
A horror game in the Halo universe where you see what life is like from the civvie perspective during the Covenant war could be neato.

>>718355028
>>718355102
Just burst fire it. It's accurate you just lose accuracy the more you hold down the trigger.

>>718357339
Flood horror game.

>>718357339
>>718357408
HALO, ISOLATION.

Off kilter Halo spinoff idea:
Kig-Yar pirate simulator.

Halo dominated FPS games from 2001 to 2007 because there was no competitor of that kind.
Halo simply catered to all types of audiences: camping, casual multiplayer, competitive multiplayer, big combat vehicles, campaigns, Forge, firefight, theater, and many other aspects.
>But what about Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Battlefield, Metroid, and COD?!
As I said before, Halo simply catered to all types of players.
It's no coincidence that the franchise lost dominance after games like L4D, COD 4, Battlefield BC2, etc.
And those who want to blame Reach for the "fall" have no clue.
Halo/Bungie fans were still numerous, even though they lost a large number of casual players.
If Halo hadn't been killed by 343I and Microsoft, it might have suffered a similar fate to Destiny 1.

>>718357516
no we kill kiggers here

>>718357339
That would literally be running/hiding from everything and fighting a grunt would be a serious life/death scenario because it would have a plasma pistol or needler. You would instantly die to it or club it to death with a chair leg or firearm if you get your hands on one from your home or from a dead police officer or marine

>>718357516
kig-yar wife simulator

>>718346730
you just talked about the literal peak of halo, the same point in OPs image with 1 million concurrent players, as if it was some desperate thing.
shut the fuck up retard

>>718357516
Sangheili Souls Like

>>718357652
Halo 3 didn't display concurrent players.

>>718357537
ODST and reach had enormous playercounts. these zoomers weren't alive to see it or were playing blops. I had time for both blops and halo reach. MW3 was a scam and everyone knew it. reach was king.

>>718343834 (OP)
No one wants to admit that there's been competition when Halo 3 was the only competition. Yes, it is shit regarding microtransactions, but they are only only addressing what regular players are paying attention to for the modern game space.

This isn't 2005. I wish it was 2005.

>>718357664
I hate that I kinda want to play this.

>>718357516
>Kig-Yar
Cringe bookfag shit

>>718357842
Halo 3, 2 still shits on every arena shooter to this day. Nobody has ever made a game with a shield healthbar that is as kino and may never again. Sorry.

>>718347501
This would be unthinkable nowadays. Console FPS' have really fell off.

>>718357664
>>718357898
I think the ttk would have to be really short because otherwise it would feel silly. An elite focused game would be cool.

>>718357774
Yeah it did. Halo 3 was the biggest game in gaming outside of wow briefly

>>718357774
it did both.
it was 1.1 million concurrent, 3 million uniques.
shut the fuck up if you are too stupid to look into it.

>>718358029
Shut your mouth, asshole. The ones who are dedicated to the IP are the ones that should be the most important to continuing the franchise instead of appealing to the Fortnite player-base who will get excited because it's a thing they recognize, play the thing for 15 minutes, then move on from the IP.

>>718358179
No it didn't. It displayed a 24-hour count.

>>718358125
>Halo 3, 2 still shits on every arena shooter to this day
Tell it to the Steam player tracker - that's the only thing corporations care about regarding games.

I'm not even disagreeing with you. I'm telling you that games like Halo 2 or 3 won't ever be created again without the same financial incentive.

I'm dying for more halo 3 but every time I queue MCC it takes ages to find a match because of the retarded menus to get into one. Then every match is standoff or rats nest, both of which I hate...

>>718358234
The ones that love the original games are the most important fans, not bookfags that read slop made by secondaries with an agenda

the BEST elite armor set

>>718358249
24 hour count of what

>>718358345
I agree with your core point that people that love the games first and foremost should be the most important consideration, but to call all Halo books, including the early ones, slop is way too far.

>>718358415
Unique users.

>>718358402
All Dinofags must hang

>>718358463
that was 3 million, retard.

>>718358402
Might be bias because of how much I used it when I played Reach, but Ultra is my favourite followed by Spec Ops and Ranger.

>>718358520
Proof?

>>718343996
Halo Infinite had genuine hype around it until it released in a horrible state. People were actually excited to go back to the halo formula but microsoft wasted the opportunity with the abysmal launch that it was, and releasing shit and promising to fix it over the next 5 years is terrible for player retention.

>>718358463
You're high

>>718358453
I don't trust bookfags anymore, they have ruined enough things about Halo

>>718344986
I still remember telling one of my frends that Halo 4 wasn't Halo as soon as I saw the teasers.

>>718358345
>not bookfags that read slop made by secondaries with an agenda
Absolute retard you are, Bungie book fans kept that flame going with the series. But because Bungie was shit at writing and fans who make excuses for every choice they made (regardless if it made sense), this will ALWAYS be a reason.

>>718358324
>Tell it to the Steam player tracker - that's the only thing corporations care about regarding games.
Not a single corporation gives a damn about their steam playercount lol, valve isn't corpo known even today. The people truly in control don't care because they are occupied with eating at restaurants, foreskin facecream, and being devout jews.
MS held Halo specifically hostage it's entire lifetime except Halo CE because it came out on PC early. They held the rest hostage because MS's true intentions in tech have always been evil from day 1. It was always a mistake trusting them.
They finally relented with MCC and lo and behold all cutting room floor has been restored in moments. While the MCC client is still spaghetti trash and they make 3 failed games. At least they released it on steam and let the assets out.

>>718343834 (OP)
It started with the inclusion of Sprint.

It's first appearance in Halo Reach as an armor ability showed that the then-great Bungie was losing their edge. It being made standard by 343 in Halo 4 and beyond shows that the series hasn't been in good hands since 2012.

>>718358582
Halo has shit writing?
Is this a common opinion with bookfags?
I guess it's another reason to ignore them

>>718344425
>baby's first fps is a passion project
zoomers were a fucking mistake

>>718358693
> Not a single corporation gives a damn about their steam playercount lol, valve
"LOL, CORPORATIONS DON'T CARE ABOUT OFFICIAL PLAYER COUNT!"

>>718356985
>Microsoft's people in later years hated guns and the millitary and didn't really believe halo was a long term franchise. It's literally people who see it only as something to slap a label on.
This may actually be a good thing for the remakes, Halo was never meant to be a military franchise, I think Microsoft were the ones that forced Bungie to start going to the US military starting with Halo 2, don't quote me on that, I could be wrong, but Halo's campaigns can no take cues from classic sci-fi shooters now over trying to be like COD.

>>718358552
proof of YOUR bullshit claim first?

The truth of the matter is that Halo was only ever really popular with (white) millennial Americans and that is an increasingly small demographic of gamers. When Halo was in it's prime in the 2000s that was the main audience for video games.

Asians, South Americans, Europeans and zoomers in general do not give a flying fuck about Halo so they're going to buy other stuff. It doesn't even really matter how good the games are, the brand just isn't culturally relevant anymore.

>>718344425
erm actually bungie was staffed by mostly chicagans

>>718358565
Listen, I understand your frustration because a lot of the book stuff has seeped into the post-reach shit and ruined a lot of it, but Fall of Reach still stands as one of the best expansions to the Halo universe.

>>718358717
>Halo has shit writing?
Halo: CE has solid writing. 2-Reach had fucking awful writing. It's why they tried getting Eric Nylund out ASAP. Objectively. Especially when you pay attention to stakes, world building, and logical character writing.

>>718344986
Imagine being a grown man and simping for halo 3

>>718358557
>Halo Infinite had genuine hype around it until it released in a horrible state. People were actually excited to go back to the halo formula
nobody was hyped about halo infinite except golems taking their meds and paid fed streamers
people were hyped about halo 4 until the story pissed on everyone's hopes and dreams. and it was just before diversity woke gay fag slop hit everything. if you believed microsoft after halo 4 you have mothballs in the brain. unbelievable how many niggers actually took the bait.

I just really really want to fuck Cortana.

>>718344986
I knew what we had but you faggots kept bitching during the 360 era. You have no fucking intelligence.

>>718358764
The fact that i never updated in real time. Unironically, you weren't there.

>>718353508
>gimping of the singleplayer campaigns of Halo.
How

>>718358872
Imagine not understanding my point of the Halo 3 era being the peak of Halo's cultural relevance and being one of the more ambitious eras that was hyping up the end of the trilogy and having something for every type of player to latch onto. Whether Halo 3 lived up to that is up for debate, I'm just saying never again would we have the hype that the Believe campaign and Landfall generated for Halo.

>>718358752
Sorry sweetie but corpofags don't care, otherwise dead shooters like cod and halo would go on sale for lower to up those numbers but they don't because the corpos don't fucking care and they never will. All they care about is hiring more browns to make sure white men get back to work.

>>718358801
This. halo is a white man's game but the brown zoomers of today suck cawadooty dick

>>718359051
>Sorry sweetie but corpofags don't care
"Corpofags don't care about the games their financially supporting"
You're either trolling or retarded. Either way, I don't have time for you, faggot.

>>718359012
343 took over and started catering to esports.

>>718359023
See? He literally can't stop simping for halo 3. It's embarssing.

>>718343834 (OP)
Thank god it was pure slop

>>718358872
I will simp for halo 3 until the day I die and my 10/10 girlfriends will as well
There's literally nothing better than a game with fat tits, large explosives, setting your sack on your enemy's face and no sprint. Simple as. The art makes 10/10 women want dick.

>>718344986
The only thing I remember about Halo 4 was /v/ losing its absolute shit to someone streaming the game days before release, with the finale culminating right alongside this song while Coca Cola ads slid across the screen.

https://youtu.be/pBI3lc18k8Q

I've never experienced a more pressing "I need to tap out now" sensation in my life.

>>718343834 (OP)
Absolutely, nothing else even comes close. The fact that Xbox still allows 343 (now named Halo Studios) to work on Halo after such a decade of unbelievable failure is mind blowing and proof that Xbox itself has no idea what they’re doing in the video game market anymore.

Why did they bring the forerunner back? The seems so fucking dumb.

Demographic changes resulted in less interest in scifi. Ghettos are the preferred playground.

>>718359105
>"Corpofags don't care about the games their financially supporting"
>You're either trolling or retarded. Either way, I don't have time for you, faggot.
Microsoft doesn't invest a nickel into halo except matching peer to peer clients. They actually don't care. They did the bare minimum to make the games work in one package.

>put a woman in charge of a male franchise
>it goes to shit and dies

Sad! Many such cases

>>718358859
>Halo: CE has solid writing. 2-Reach had fucking awful writing
2 is literally the only narrative in the franchise worth a fucking damn.

>>718359286
The halo 4 devlogs were heavily criticized for this, because the devs said it looks cool over and over, while halo 3 devlogs were about is this weapon and sandbox part fun or not. Simple as, the problem is zoomer fags saying halo 5 is a real video game.

>>718359286
Because we gotta shit on the obvious implication (Actually not even implication, it is spelt out to you) of humanity being the forerunners.

>>718358763
Considering their track record on Infinite though? Those fucks don't like sci fi shooters either.

>>718358801
I'm the one asian guy who likes halo.

>>718359325
>2 is literally the only narrative in the franchise worth a fucking damn.
Bullshit. The Covenant civil war makes no sense. Oh, the Covenant can activate Forerunner tech? Oh, the Flood was released "just because"? Oh, Guilty Spark could control the Sentinels on the Gas Giant "just because"? Oh, Truth wanted Tartarus to activate Delta Halo despite knowing what it would do despite acknowledging it needed a human "just because"? Wow. What amazing writing.

Thoughts? Best short?
Origin part 2 pissed me off.

>>718358984
you are full of shit

>Megaman
>Metal Gear Sollid
>Silent Hill
>Pokemon

>>718345537
There's a disdain for videogames in the business community leading them to hire people that also hate videogames. Remember that the writers for the tv show proudly stated they never played the games or looked at the books.

>>718359478
>Uh these little details are bad so whole narrative bad
Cool, so why was the Pillar of Autumn magically a fucking go-kart course in the finale of CE? Every narrative outside of 2 is "we need to destroy/capture/evacuate the mcguffin or we all die."

>>718359612
>There's a disdain for videogames in the business community leading them to hire people that also hate videogames. Remember that the writers for the tv show proudly stated they never played the games or looked at the books.
>>718359105
>>Sorry sweetie but corpofags don't care
>"Corpofags don't care about the games their financially supporting"
>You're either trolling or retarded. Either way, I don't have time for you, faggot.
I tried telling this guy as well but the business community doesn't have time for you

>>718359381
>Halo 3 devlogs were about is this weapon and sandbox part fun or not.
This is the ONLY thing that matters in a video game. If it isn’t fun, it isn’t worth a damn.

>>718359486
Prototype is the best short hands down.

>>718359478
>Oh, Truth wanted Tartarus to activate Delta Halo despite knowing what it would do despite acknowledging it needed a human "just because"?
???

Both Truth and Tartarus believed in the Great Journey. You think Tartarus is gonna turn heel because the Arbiter said some words?

>>718357214
>>718357339
>>718357408
>>718357457
>You play as a not-combatant crewmember of the In Amber Clad, an engineer or scientist, that got made a prisoner in High Charity with a group of other humans.
>When the Schism began you and your mates manage to break free, but after a skirmish you got separated.
>You can use UNSC guns, but they are hard to come by in here and you can't use them very effectively (shaky aim, high recoil, long reload time, etc). Covenant guns are alien to you (he), you don't know how to operate them.
>Cortana helps you a little, since she is in the system, but it's clear that her's and Chief's mission has priority.
>1/3 of the game in, the Flood arrives to the city. They slowly cover everything with their putrid biomass.
>The forerunner dreadnought escapes, leaving High Charity powerless and in darkness.
>In the end you find a dropship and leave, ally with some elites and leave, or straight up die.

The worst part is that 343 actually wanted to make these sort of fringe games, but were turned down by Microsoft executives. Several times.

Halo Infinite has a fun MP, the main issue is that it had so many bugs that went on for months without being fixed and they couldn't even keep to a seasonal update schedule until years after launch they ended up kneecapping its potential. With the new weapons and new vehicle it's pretty much in the place it should have been like two years ago if they were competent.

>>718359767
Yes but something has to look cool over fun if they want to sell it to indians. Mahabharata and everything yes sir.

>>718359769
SEXO KINO!!! THEN HE TURNS THE SUIT ON SEXOOOOOOO!!!!

>>718359701
"Little details"
Motherfucker, these cause the entire story to happen.
>Cool, so why was the Pillar of Autumn magically a fucking go-kart course in the finale of CE?
Because the size of the Pillar of Autumn in CE (which I also criticize) is not important to the overall story.
>Every narrative outside of 2 is "we need to destroy/capture/evacuate the mcguffin or we all die."
Did you also like how Master Chief after killing Regret is just completely forgotten about with Miranda and Johnson and they never bring him up again?

>>718347984
Halo 2 and 3 had shitty weapons compared to CE. Plus the weapon sounds are terrible in comparison. The smg and magnum sound like pop guns.

>>718359701
U have to remember that the Halo CE campaign was very rushed and it's a miracle it is impressive outright.

>>718359904
>Halo 2 and 3 had shitty weapons compared to CE
Excuse me?

>>718359783
>Both Truth and Tartarus believed in the Great Journey.
Nope. In Halo 3, Truth thinks that the Ark will shelter them from "Halo's fire". Ignoring Halo 3, why would Truth flee from Delta Halo's launch if he believed in the promise of the rings?
>You think Tartarus is gonna turn heel because the Arbiter said some words?
LOL, their religion's "Oracle" literally said what they believed isn't true, and Tartarus didn't respect the Oracle. There's literally no other reason for this plot thread than "religion is a lie, and let's not let anyone who believes in the Covenant religion be any kind of intelligent because we need a theme to showcase".

>>718359980
Only good thing about the BR was the sound. It should have had a fire mode selector to turn it semi or full auto too. People bitched about the OP pistol in CE so they spitefully added an even more annoying weapon.

>>718359012
esports faggotry fucked up the gameplay and weapon balance of the campaigns. This is why Halo wasn't able to take from better shooters in terms of singleplayer. Multiplayer can no longer hurt Halo singleplayer now.

>>718352475
Because /v/ is all turbocasuals, children, and especially third worlders with 600 ping

>>718359105
>Corpos care about Video games
You're a retard

>>718347984
Switch Gravemind with Silent cartographer and change silent cartographer into AotCR and it's a nice list

>>718359325
It wasn't CE was better, Halo 2 used story to try to make up for it being a rushed piece of shit but forgot that video games are about the gameplay, not the story.

>>718359980
Bungie's duel-wielding killed any kind of concept of balanced weapons in either Halo 2/3. That's why they got rid of them for ODST and Reach (and Reach was SOOOOOOOOO much worse regarding weapon balancing).

>>718360217
Oh, poor baby doesn't realize the corpos paying for video games to be successful will follow trends because of their own wants to see the video games they invested in to be successful.

>>718358720
Every year this gets funnier. You're going to be in the retirement home seething about how Halo CE (released 2001) was baby's first FPS

>>718343834 (OP)
remember that fuck up trailer they made? man those DEI hires fucking killed master chief.

>>718359459
>Those fucks don't like sci fi shooters either
A lot of their Infinite concepts showed they wanted to take from both Halo CE and classic sci-fi shooters, but the corrupt leadership made them cut all of that. There's a reason that leadership lost their jobs.

>>718360331
I guess that's why AAA gaming is dying, and indies and AAs are taking over, huh?

>>718360331
If corpos were actually following successful trends there wouldn't be so many AAA flops.

>>718359398
Aren't they separate species now?

>>718343996
I knew it was already over once Reach came out. It added sprint (technically this was an item and not default) firefight mode (ODST also had this) and class loadouts in multiplayer. H4 leaned even more into it

As soon as franchise X is copying what franchise Y is doing, franchise X is done

>>718360862
Really like how they leaned into this mean as some kind of "le epic self own" just tells you about the people working there

>>718358706
bungie told you that reach was it. the og devs were done. they wanted to put a multiplayer installment in that was more like CE. yeah the armor abilities were a mistake. too bad the uneditable queue is stuck with them on so you're forever competing against jetpack sweatlords. honestly sprint doesn't make much a difference in reach, it's the jetpack fags that ruin everything.
also love me the CE map pack I never get to play because the queue is broke.

>tfw I shitposted and raged so hard about armor abilities and armor lock that I got banned from the old bnet forums
Good times.

>>718360331
they follow trends in the corpo world. the game is just their voodoo "product" that spits money into their salary. the corporation is more involved with using their linkedin slot as advertising to the federal government to give them money for AI centers so they can continue payroll on the liquid. nobody cares about gamers, AI was the final nail in the coffin. GPUs are meant for huge server farms now and you're meant to get back to work.

>>718359486
The Spartan mommy one was pretty based, aside from that I just remember the one that was a big ass Spartan fist fighting a Brute

>>718361094
the abilities are all useless except jetpack in the end. jetpack allows you to easily break any vanilla map in matchmaking which sweatlords continue to abuse. I can't believe they let jetpack slip through, what an awful decision.

Halo 3 was shit and only the multiplayer was decent

>>718359980
The BR took twice as long to kill as the pistol. It's garbage.

>>718361272
How was jetpack good that just made you a sitting duck with no cover

>>718361346
You could ignore map routes by just flying over obstacles and paths. That made it completely busted, especially on maps like Reflection that were balance around the idea that one map gets sniper and one gets rockets. With jetpack, one player can get rockets and fly up to either get snipe himself or blow up anyone taking the lift.

>>718360289
Fuck no. Duel wielding was cool and bungie removed them because they were faggot. Besides, it does not stop from characters doing duel wielding action during the fucking cutscenes which made it all the more weirder and inconsistent.

>>718351971
No need to compress something that small

>>718361272
>This low IQ nigger never learned to bait people with the hologram

>>718361346
>>718361478
this exactly. I still enjoy reach to this day, but there's always some cunt playing jetpack. I never pick jetpack cause I don't want to break the map. sad it's not disabled in big team battle n stuff.

>>718360842
They and that's my point, stupid fucking retcon.

>>718361549
You get to a certain point where you stop matching low IQ retards who fall for the hologram.

Peak vehicle design

Halo is going to heal with Frank "Shit-for-Brains" O'Connor now gone.

Apologize

>>718360862
>I knew it was over once Reach came out
BASED. Reach was ass, the story was good but the multiplayer was a lazily slapped together mess of forge maps with terrible COD inspired loadouts. Reach was rightfully criticized when it came out but really the hate should have been stronger. Time has been kind to Reach since everything after it was so much worse that Reach looks like a masterpiece in comparison so everyone’s nostalgia goggles are on real tight for that game.

>>718361930
To be fair, I've always been more of a SP guy
>tfw no friends
so I always played the games for the campaigns anyway. Didn't stop me from wasting hours on forge mode however.

>>718360289
Duel-wielding was the case of the multiplayer interfering with the campaign for the first time. Because things didn't work in the multiplayer they had to be changed which also affected the campaign.

>>718343834 (OP)
It all comes down to the failure of the Halo 5 campaign. It was so bad that it officially became cool in the mainstream to hate Halo, and once that happens, you get that bandwagoning phenomena where people will just straight bullshit things to keep the fun of hating going. Stuff like that "Enhanced Mobility is a Lie" video for Halo 5's multiplayer that completely misrepresents the mechanics, or the complaints over Infinite shipping with a number of maps that had been roughly the standard since Halo 3, and unlike those games, all future maps were gonna be free instead of bullshit $10 3-map map packs

>>718360793
>If corpos were actually following successful trends there wouldn't be so many AAA flops.
Corpos follow AAA slop and fail because the AAA game before were successful. It's the same reason why Bungie made Destiny 1/2

>>718361549
>Was in lobbies where people couldn’t immediately identify a hologram that just ran forward in one direction
Holy kek you are garbage at Halo

>>718362076
I stopped listening to those faggots the moment they started praising AAA slop Halo 4 and 5 campaigns. You don't either like Halo or video games for that matter if you liked those nor if you even believe they had better campaigns than Infinite. Just stop playing video games or stick to COD/Battlefield.

>>718361147
>nobody cares about gamers, AI was the final nail in the coffin
Yes. It's a terrible world we live in. I completely agree, and I wish it was at a time when games could express an artistic idea and particular fun regarding single and multiplayer ideas. Those ideas are with the indie space, and I personally hope all the bean-counters and AAA corps go bankrupt so that they'd leave video games alone for the people who actually like the medium to create new things.

>>718348369
Big chungus

>>718362092
This, Bungie died during Halo 2's development, sadly

>>718361515
>Duel wielding was cool and bungie removed them because they were faggot.
Besides denying the players other gameplay mechanics like using grenades, getting into vehicles, using equipment, the game depowered and downgraded accuracy for duel-wielding made players realize duel-wielding for Halo (even back in Halo 2) wasn't worth it.
>characters doing duel wielding action during the fucking cutscenes
Non-canon for gameplay

>>718362208
This, I'm advocating for it now, not just in video games, corpo people need to stay out of creative work.

>>718362317
Amen, brother