Thread 718352994

Why are fighting games the only genre where players over 30 can stay competitive?

theyre the only genre engaging enough that a grown adult would actually want to put time into them

>>718352994 (OP)
That's a man.

>>718352994 (OP)
Flight Sims

>>718353240
You sound insecure.

>>718352994 (OP)
You gonna challenge Billy Mitchell to DK? I'm just asking the question.

>>718353240
YUP JRPGs!

>>718353413
and that's a good thing

>>718353475
t. fag

Because people compete as individuals with no barrier to entry, a 30 year old doesn't have to convince four teammates and a sponsor that they're better than a horde of 20 year old aspirants vying for a spot.
There's probably some decent 30 year olds in the RTS scenes for similar reasons but I don't follow those

>>718352994 (OP)
At high level way to win is more reliant on knowledge, preparation, and mental conditioning than twitch reflex, though that can also get you far with comparatively less knowledge. I imagine RTS games could also have older top level competitors but I don't watch them.

knowledge is way more important than raw execution

>>718352994 (OP)
Years of muscle memory pay off.

not true

>>718352994 (OP)
Because only 30 year-olds play them
/thread

>>718352994 (OP)
basically every brood war player is over 30

When will "posing for photo with excited stare with mouth agape" go away? It's been a decade or more since Jewtube kikes made this a thing.

>>718352994 (OP)
she cute. would do whatever she wanted. and to answer your question, it's because 1v1 is the only thing that matters in competition, unless you're doing some kind of organized team event. playing with randos is almost always a recipe for failure and that's why it's not a good assessment of your personal "skill". in any one team based game, when all of your bouts are affected by a number of variables outside of your control, you just eventually shut down and stop caring because
>who fucking cares this asshole on my team is throwing and/or doesn't know how to play.

>>718352994 (OP)
because no one plays them so competition is less fierce

>>718352994 (OP)
didnt some south american zoomer destroy everyone during a recent sf6 tournament using ryu?

>>718352994 (OP)
Pros in FPS grind for 16 hours a day and get burnt out in their 20s

>>718352994 (OP)
in the case of tekken you require near infinite cumulative muscle memory and knowledge so it makes sense. not sure why in street fighter (does it happen there too?)

>>718354204
Blaz, and he almost won Capcom Cup, but got beaten by a 30-something JP player from Japan.

>>718353740
The importance of twitch reflexes are way overstated in fighting games too. Most modern games make 'reactable' stuff like 26-30f which is almost half a second. They're very granular checks and even people with slow reactions can probably react in 300ms.

Contrast that to something like an fps where you and someone could round the corner and see each other, and there's basically no lower limit on how fast you can react and it's always an advantage to be slightly faster than the other guy.

>>718352994 (OP)
zoomies don't play fighting games

>>718352994 (OP)
There's 30+ CS pros thoughbeit.

I'm surprised anyone over 30 plays ANY competitive game, you have no idea how cringe it is to care about "being good at video games" until you get old enough. It wouldn't even impress your own mother even if you were making a living wage off of it, because she's understand it was very temporary.

>>718352994 (OP)
That's a nice big picture. In fact, I moved in and kissed my screen where her :O mouth is, because she's cute.

>>718352994 (OP)
>>718354180
This. Top 500 in OW/MR is a big feat. Top 500 in many smaller fighting games is the entire playerbase. To be the best CS player you need to be the best out of a game with 1,300,000 daily players. To be the best SF6 player you only need to be the best out of 10,000.

>>718354748
How can you post reddit frogs and call anyone else cringe?

>>718354793
Concurrent players =/= unique players

I challenge your initial assumption.

>>718354879
>doesn't address the content of the post
I accept your concession. Don't blame yourself though, me telling you it's cringe to care won't wake you up from the delusion, you just have to grow out of it with time.

>>718352994 (OP)
A very common misconception about fighting games is that it all reactions and execution. Most moves are by design unreactable on startup. Nobody is parrying a 3f jab on reaction. There are quite a few tight reaction spaces, but they are fairly within the realm of normal reflexes and training. Game sense and spacing can also help narrow down the things you are looking for to react, which comes with experience. This is not to say that good reflexes won't help, but no amount of reflexes will help you against getting whiff punished because you tried to control space against an advancing opponent or correctly reading a series of 50/50s.

>>718354997
>doesn't address the content of the post

>>718355051
>"I got BTFO so here's a non-sequitur
I accept your second concession, kiddo.

>>718355143
>posts the cope line twice
frog poster is absolutely livid

>>718355205
>3rd concession
I will continue accepting them.

>>718355328
Yeah he seething hard when the cope line doesn't work.

>>718355018
So fighting games are... random?

718354748
esl brown hands typed this pathetic weak feminine shit. if you have no drive you discount the competitive spirit of gaming, you're content to be the fodder, your escapism is just being there. you're at the slaughter but as a non-participant getting farmed

>>718355493
>typing this cringe seethe out
You'll grow out of it, just give it time. Nobody cares about how good someone is at games. Not your family, not women, not older men, maybe a few cringelord asian boys your age or younger, but that's it.

Hey guys sorry I am still new here from reddit and don't know how to respond properly to other users.
I meant for my post here >>718355493 to respond to >>718354748
Sorry about that and hope you aren't too mean to me!

>>718353740
Most of the AoE2 pro scene are in their 30s afaik, and a couple in their 40s. Daut has been one of the best players in the world for 20 years now.
SC2 is still a lot of people in their 20s but I think there's some artificial pressure there because worst korea has mandatory military service and most of the pros delay it as long as possible and then retire from competition once they can't any more and have to take a couple years off

>>718355741
For somebody who says nobody cares you sure seem invested.

>>718353740
>I imagine RTS games could also have older top level competitors
the best aoe2 players are all in their 30s. there are so many facets to rts that you can actually do remarkably well with shit apm if your macro and strategy is solid. there is a player named red phosphoru who can manage to compete with top 50 pros based on off meta all in meme build orders with insane fast castle times despite he himself claiming that he is a much worse player. his eco is so shit that there is nothing for the opponent to raid and it tends to work as an all in strategy because he can put 99% of his attention to military micro with unique unit timing attacks that are just devastating to deal with

fighting games are similar in that there is so much more going on that just raw reaction speed. older pros coast a lot of intuition and fundamentals. ultimately correctly anticipating your opponent’s actions is more valuable than reaction speed in most cases

>>718355845
I literally could not be less invested, I don't think I've played a "competitive" game since 2005.

>>718354748
dumb jeet frog poster

>he thinks people good at games are doing it for the attention, and not being the best you can be
>he thinks it takes extended effort beyond practice
>he will never be fulfilled in his role in competitive games because he's a weak minded impotent faggot
yup that's the average /v/irgin alright, brown, noncompetitve, limp wristed

>>718354601
people still get hit by slow things because of mental stack

>>718352994 (OP)
I am 52 years old and I play Tekken and SF6. Mostly Tekken.

>>718355897
Yet you continue to post.
Curious.

>>718352994 (OP)
They're the only competitive genre that respects your time. Old fucks can't sit down and commit to an hour long match of counter strike or whatever other slop zoomers are playing these days.

>>718352994 (OP)
fps's are more streamer friendly and zoomers love streamers and aspire to be them.

>>718355480
there are no video games that aren't random. In rts you have fog of war and likewise the most ubiquitous cheats for fps games remove the random element (knowing where your opponent is).

>>718354601
Yeah it's a balance, in FPS games knowledge gives you an advantage, but just way less of one. The ceiling of knowledge is far lower, and so it's much more reasonable for a 16 year old to know what they need to know and then the determining factor becomes mechanical execution and reflexes. In fighting games the ceiling of knowledge is effectively endless, and even if you know everything, being able to pull out and act on the right bit of knowledge at match speed is its own skill.
Having a ridiculous twitch reflex and enough knowledge does open up avenues that older/slower players don't really have though, like some players just can't react to drive impact, they have to predict. They don't have that option to just always know at any moment that if that fucker throws it out they'll win.
Then there's shit like Arcana Heart and Clarice's 1 frame low.

>>718356024
Yes? Why would I stop? Cringe ass zoomertranny.

>>718356035
Yes they can.

>>718352994 (OP)
Because zoomers don't want to spend a million hours grinding in the lab for games with a prize pool less than League of Legends. It's by far the most new player unfriendly genre with the time spent vs reward ratio. In cases where a game is big enough that you see young blood join like SF6, Smash Ultimate, and Tekken 8, you do see zoomers getting better results than most players over 30.

>>718356035
incorrect, im 35 and play cs every night at a high level with a group of friends ive had since 1.6

>>718353574
no it's not

>>718355948
yes, which is why managing your mental stack so you're in the right frame of mind to react to things is more important than raw reaction time.

>>718352994 (OP)
because you mistake cause for effect

>>718356109
If you didn't care you wouldn't be posting.

>>718353574
Faggot

>>718356215
What exactly do you think I care about? If I was younger, and doing/thinking something insanely cringe, I would wish someone would warn me about it. You may not understand this now, but you will when you're older.

>>718352994 (OP)
No teamwork required so you can practice after your friends have moved on and it isn't as twitch aim sensitive like shooters are. Also MOBAs are cancer and most 30 year old boomers didn't grow up with them.

>fighting games have more trannies playing them than MMOS and mobas
grim

>>718356319
Competitive gaming, the topic of the thread.
If you didn't care you wouldn't be posting.

>>718356347
unironically mind broken.

>>718354146
Like all memes, it's been beaten to death once normies took a hold of it

>>718356187
Do you live in your mother's basement by chance?

>>718356371
I don't care, and yet I'm still posting because I can, you can apply to be a janny if you feel like crying about it though ;^)

>>718356117
Yeah it's no problem if you don't have any adult responsibility.

>>718356481
>I don't care
>more words after that
Uh huh

>>718354180
Same reason why speedrun autism is so funny to me. Barely anyone is even trying what you are attempting to claim is a "world record". Its like saying you have the world record on most times turning a TV on and off in a 24 hr period. Who cares. No one but you is even trying bro

>>718356545
You should try having a good work life balance.

>>718356678
>his only responsibility is work
Exactly my point.

>>718356586
Yes, you're posting, and I'll continue to respond. Since I know you're a child, me being silent would be seen as you getting the last word and "winning", so I won't let that happen. Please apply to be a janny if you'd like to police threads.

>>718356735
Awww he does care after all.

>>718353413
>you’re a man

>>718356726
If your time is so precious why are you posting here?

>>718356809
No last word for you :)

>>718356882
>claims to hate competition
>deeply cares about competiting on 4chan
hypocrite

>>718354180
this
People who play fighting games are fucking losers that think they're hot shit because they can beat up every new player that walks into the door of their 10 person club.
If they actually tried playing anything competitive that has an actual population they'd get BTFO so badly. But they're happy to continue being a big fish in a small puddle.

>>718356947
>posting on 4chan is competition
oof, ok you're floundering.

>>718356960
Somebody lost to his friend at Tekken .

>>718352994 (OP)
Higher RNG.

>>718357003
You're the one who said you didn't want to lose, sounds like a competition to me.
Hypocrite.

>>718356960
That's quite the projection, anon.

>>718357116
Gonna cry?

>>718356960
trvthnvke

>>718357242
Oooh got some competitive trash talk now too.

>>718356960
Maybe you should try playing something other than some obscure anime fighter with 3 active players if you're so scared of getting your head caved in.
Pick up a popular one whenever there's a sale. Always a bunch of fresh meat.

>>718352994 (OP)
Zoomers lack long term memory and live by twitchy motions. They are the king of FPS slop.

>>718357350
Yup, I win.

>>718357558
So you did care this whole time?

>>718357672
Saving incredibly cringe zoomers from caring about being good at video games.

>>718357772
So we're back to you being an insecure reddit frog poster upset that others are better than you.

>>718354748
kys

>>718355753
kys

>>718356960
It's sad too because there's only maybe 1 or 2 games where it's actually impressive to be the best as they have large (by fighting game standards, compared to everything else it's pathetically small) population.
In everything else you only need to be better than maybe 20 or 30 people to be the best but people will still treat that like an accomplishment for some reason.

>>718357840
>better than me at something I don't participate in and don't care about
Yes? Not much of a dunk

>>718354494
Kakeru is 27

>>718358059
>don't care about
>still posting
Back to square one.

>>718354146
That pointing shit is literally people just recreating the basedjak pointing meme that was made out of the byond KFC image

>>718356960
>I lost to a Professional Tournament player
I'm sure that was just another random noob who start playing Kekken yesterday.
There's really nothing competitive about FPS, it's just cheaters and losers who are too stupid that they still couldn't figure out they're playing against cheaters.

>>718358119
>still posting
Yes, lil'janny, I will keep posting.

>>718352994 (OP)
>>718353628
>>718353740
>RTS
the best of the best for starcraft are basically all 30y/o boomers, the same people that were the best 17 years ago for the most part
there is the odd breakout kid that shows up and does great, but they're rare
hell one of the best competitive starcraft players is a boomer with like 180apm with kids who just has really specific, well planned builds
it's sort of like chess in terms of build order and shit so that makes mechanical ability slightly less important, but ultimately, great mechanics will generally win out, but even qualifying for ASL/SSL or making it high in KSL, w/e is fucking insane and tons of 30+ers do it
i only realized they're all 30+ now because they were older than me when i was watching them in 2007-2010 and i'm 30 now lmao

>>718356960
Nobody thinks beating up beginners is fun.
It's not even an accomplishment worth mentioning.

>>718358262
So you're enjoying this competition?

>>718354793
The 3S lobby on ade is much bigger than the ST one, but skill level is lower wjtg the average ST player much better at his respective game than the average 3S FC scrub.
Alternately, if everyone who never won a tournament dropped [major competitive game], the pool would be much smaller but it would now be the most competitive game on the market. Obviously size correlates to level of competition, but it's stupid to equate the two, plus competitiveness is one thing but depth is another; if a clicking contest had a billion dollar payout then it would probably wind up being the most competitive event ever but it would still be a clicking contest.

>>718358658
4chan posting is not a competition, stop the cringe.

>>718358010
mostly unrelated but i was glitch hunting games and routing speedruns from like 20 years ago up until like 10 years ago when it became all selloutcore and infested with trannies, but i always thought it was the most cringe shit when people would put one player on a pedestal, call them a god, or even worse they'd get an ego and brag about their """world record""" when, generally, they're better than 1 or 0 people, because nobody else is trying
now you might say "uhh bro there's like 200000 people on the sm64 leaderboard!!" nah even sm64 back in the day was just siglemic and nobody was close, not even hyassin like it was so pathetic when people would act like anyone was a legend for being #1 in a "competition" of 1 people

>>718354748
They hated him because he spoke the truth. Young men would be wise to listen to icycalm and understand that videogames are for relaxation, meanwhile actual energy and focus ought be directed toward actually productive pursuits that can actually earn you money, women, and respect/renown (from actually attractive and intelligent people whose respect and renown actually means something)

>>718353413
I want to put my cock inside that man

>>718358943
>young men would be wise to listen to a neurotic pseud

>>718352994 (OP)
Because zoomers mostly flock to competitive games where they can blame anything but themselves for their failures.

Also, zoomers HATE the concept of 'labbing'. Putting in the work to git gud gives them the ick.

>>718358758
>The 3S lobby on ade is much bigger than the ST one, but skill level is lower wjtg
The 3S lobby on fightcade is much bigger than the ST one, but skill level is lower with

competitive is a 1v1, much easier to support a single player than it is to support a team for a long period of time
the starcraft scene is similar here
what I find interesting is noticing that the older players are always slower than the newer players but the newer players are always paying for their lack of experience somehow

>>718359139
Meanwhile aiming community exists

>>718358549
Okay Wazzler

>>718359289
Statistically speaking not everyone kicking your ass is Justin Wong, much less a pro.
It's just someone who has like 10 more hours than you, doesn't have a learning disability, or just has more motivation to learn than you.
Remember, only like 2% of fighting game players are pros.

>/v/: gatekeeping is le heckin le based and le redpilled
>also /v/: nooooooooo you can't le heckin beat me in le fighting games you're a heckin sweaty tryhard
why are /v/troons such hypocrites when it's about fighting games?

>>718353413
>That's a man.

w-whu-why does this make my peepee throb?!

>>718358549
>Nobody thinks beating up beginners is fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RkapfBYIfc

>>718353413
Men look like THAT!?

>>718359453
Justin Wong isn't most players.
Although taunting someone via voice chat is timeless in any scenario, especially if it's some fucking kid.
Surely you aren't some 13 year old playing an M-rated game.

>>718359549
Kys Justin.

>>718356960
I'll always find it funny that fighting game fags will look down on stuff like Smash as not real fighters, but you have tons of smash players who would go on to win tournaments in "real" fighting games.
Meanwhile the opposite never happens. FGC is full of bitches

>>718352994 (OP)
muscle memory
bnb's wreck regardless of skill

>>718359658
>tonnes
>Leffen

>>718359453
holy shit i've never seen this
this is blessed

>>718359658
Uhh, who else but leffen? Didn't he only win Strive?

>>718359453
>yeah bro if you go into a fighting game you wont immediately get dunked on by a pro player
>yeah bro the fgc is friendly and welcoming to all new players
>yeah bro the fgc isn't full of obese sweaty autists that love nothing more than beating up new players

Reminder to never listen to /v/ when it comes to fighting games. This is the reality.

>>718359453
that's what his parents get for letting him play an M-rated game

>>718359939
You don't listen to /v/ at all but 98% of /v/ doesn't play fighters. It's the biggest den of scrubs imaginable.

>>718359453
And this is why fighting games are dying.

>>718359939
Sincere question, do you genuinely believe the person in iron ranks you're playing is actually a god tier gamer?

>>718360164
What's the matter? I thought gatekeeping was heckin basederino?

>>718354748
but the frogposter is right though

>>718354180
DELET

>>718360164
That was 10 years ago though, what's taking so long?

>>718354748
you can do whatever side quests you want as long as you look like you're advancing the main story quest
make money, find a spouse, buy property, raise kids

>>718353901
wtf happened to apex? haven't watched cs since 2020

>>718352994 (OP)
Because fighting games do not require skill

>>718361616
Won pretty much everything for a year straight.

>>718362067
Then why have we had daily threads here about them being too hard?

>>718362207
/v/ is tsundere for fighting games

>>718361616
he promised to shave his head if he won major

should I play +R

>>718364208
You should not play fighting games.

>>718352994 (OP)
name ?

>>718354793
CS2 does not have that many players when you take out the bots

>>718359658
>Smash turd thinks Evo is actially some kind of official tournament

>>718365232
even if 90% were bots it would still have 10x the players of sf6

fighting games are a dead genre

>>718352994 (OP)
>>718359685
I rather goon to fighting game characters than play fighting games.