Thread 718447604

Red Dead 1 vs Red Dead 2, which game had the better story?

>>718447604 (OP)
RDR2 is better in every possible way. RDR2 hate and the sudden “RDR1 is better” contrarianism is the most shallow, lame internet bandwagon I’ve ever seen. RDR1 is good, but 2 is a damn masterpiece.

1 by far, its also the better game
2 ia a glorified movie and a mediocre one at that

>>718447730
Agreeing with anon here. RDR1's still great but RDR2's better and it's not even close

rdr2 is 10/10 until you finish chapter 3.
rdr1 is a solid 8.5/10 for the whole game.

1 barely even has a story
the villains have like 10 minutes on screen time total and 90% of the game is the typical rockstar "do random favors for people who may or may not help you at all" shit
there's a lot of padding in 2 as well but story wise it's way better

>>718447604 (OP)
RDR2 generally has a greater and more consistent story, it's much more personal and grounded compared to RDR1. RDR1 I feel like was a game that was a decent/okayish story that was elevated to greatness by an exceptional ending which prbly even better than RDR2's one. I feel like RDR2 is objectively has a better story but I just personally prefer RDR1, it lingered with me longer.

>>718448013
RDR2 is a 10/10 until you get to the epilogue, which really ends the game on a low note just to set up RDR1. The worst part of the main game is the very beginning, but it just gets better and better, until the epilogue of course.

>>718447604 (OP)
I love RDR1 i tried RDR2 but i can't get past all the walking and talking.

>>718448101
*which was

>>718447604 (OP)
I can't remember the last game that had me playing for literal hours like I was a kid again other than RDR2

>>718447730
fpbp

>>718447604 (OP)
The good, the bad and the ugly

>>718447604 (OP)
Red Dead 1 is much more cynical and lonelier compared to Red Dead 2. The atmosphere and tone are very different between these two games, they really cannot be compared. If you are playing RDR2 after RDR1 then do not expect some kind of RDR2 part 2 like I did.

>>718448514
I played 2 first and was very surprised by how different 1 was, aside from the obvious of being nearly a decade older. I didn’t like it as much as 2, but still enjoyed it for what it was.

>>718447730
The "GTA 4 better than GTA 5" take was even more forced

>>718447604 (OP)
Read Dead Redemption was a game story.

Red Dead Redemption 2 was a story.

Nuff said.

>>718449503
The fuck does that even mean?

I vaguely remember the story from rdr1 and a lot of the characters and I haven't played it since the 7th gen. I can't even recall the members of the gang aside from like 2 that aren't from the previous game. I do recall the story though because its literally just "lets do a robbery to escape, oh shit thats not enough money" repeated a dozen times and tuberculosis.
A shit ton of rockstar games are about getting sidetracked over and over again while chasing a goal but rdr2 was pretty lazy about it.

>>718449551
If you need that explained try picking up a book once in a while.

>>718449551
I think he just means RDR2 was even more of a movie game than RDR1.

>>718447604 (OP)
But those are Red Dead 2 and 3.

Pic related is Red Dead 1.

>>718449679
Okay, then explain it to me. This just sounds like something you read off Reddit or some YouTuber said and you’re just regurgitating it here.

I enjoyed RDR1's story because it was a man trying to get away from his misdeeds of his past but ended up needing to be a violent man again rather than a rancher to get his wife and kid back. He just wanted to get it over with but was pulled into so many others affairs that could only be solved with violence.

So it was a story that made sense for a video game in which you're often doing violent acts while still having a sympathetic main character for people that can get into a man wanting to walk away from his dirty past.

>>718449835
I already dropped the mic.

>>718449940
> a man trying to get away from his misdeeds of his past but ended up needing to be a violent man again rather than a rancher to get his wife and kid back
Literally stolen from Unforgiven

>>718450068
And?

>>718447604 (OP)
First one.
The second is an unnecessary prequel, a technical tour de force, the ACME of movie games, and all that it implies.

>Rockstar took so long with GTA6 it survived the woke plague

>>718447730
FPBP

>>718447730
>>718447895
>>718448346
>>718449097
found the dialator

>>718449940
John's story felt much sadder than Arthur's in that way. The message of Arthur's story felt like "even if you did bad things in the past, it's still never too late to do the right thing". Meanwhile the message of John's story felt like "even if you try to do the right thing, sometimes things still just don't work out in the end because the world just sucks".

2 had better story, but nothing in 2 compares to mexico in 1

>>718450068
>"stolen"
>from Unforgiven
zoomshitters, lmao

>>718447604 (OP)
first game - the story is two us goofy

>>718450068
The protag gets his revenge and then lives out his life totally escaping his past in unforgiven.

red dead thread?

>>718447604 (OP)
RDR2 has the better story and the better gameplay.... But.... RDR1 is just way more wacky with its characters and side quests. West dicken, seth and Irish are all characters that have no equivalent in rdr2

>no cowboys VS aliens dlc for 2

gay

I prefer one because it feels more like spaghetti western, but two is a great game too.

>>718447604 (OP)
probably 1 just by virtue of the fact that 2 just rehashed the main character change concept whereas with 1 it was fairly novel at the time

>>718447604 (OP)
Arthur is a woke Chad.
Twink John can not compete, sorry.

>>718450406
enjoy your flying 8 million bike, lmao

>>718450035
Okay, so you won’t explain the supposedly super deep, meaningful comment you left? Thanks for proving me right.

>>718447730

It really isn't, it's a half-assed story in a poorly made game. The characters are shallow, boring and unlikeable and the story is a plodding beast that takes hours to advance a micrometer, and it's not a fun journey either. Literally just GTA on horses: ride here, listen to this moron tell you what to do, ride to where he tells you to go, do the boring task he gave you and ride back, and you're forced to listen to the most awkwardly written, hamfisted dialogue in the industry the whole way there and back.
The game itself is also excruciating to play. Animation locking everything you do which causes a constant series of headaches, the menus are fucking terrible, the game constantly swaps your loadout to shit you don't want from one mission to the next. The open world is very nicely made but it loses its luster after riding around for a few hours and realizing there's fuckall to do except shoot shit or fish. And the fishing sucks.
The game is shit and if you like it you have shitty taste. I will not be entertaining further discussion from shit eaters.

>>718450260
Mexico was the worst part of rdr1, just felt like one massive 10 hour distraction from the main story

Would you recommend playing RDR2 on a gamepad or mouse n keyboard?
Can't imagine aiming with any piece of shit controller like some drooling retard.

>>718451089
Mouse and keyboard is obviously much better but controller is serviceable as well. My first playthrough of rdr2 was on a ps4 and I still had a good time

>>718447604 (OP)
RDR2 has a better, more interesting plot
RDR1's story is more memorable and impactful

>>718447604 (OP)
Rdr2 easily, rdr1 is severely overrated

>>718451831
>calls something overrated whilst praising rdr2
irony

>>718447730
>RDR2 is better in every possible way
No Undead Nightmare DLC

>>718447604 (OP)
>>718447730
That's like asking if you prefer The Godfather Part 1 or Part 2

>>718447604 (OP)
>>718447730
The writing in 2 actually sucks ass, 1 is not good either but it's not as retarded. Idk why these games are praised on writing so much.

>>718447604 (OP)
1 not only is the better game, it has the better story and game world

>>718449679
Nigga you can NOT say that shit while praising rockstar writing, the average children's book is better written than rdr1/2 and that's not even hyperbole

>>718451938
Undead nightmare is repetitive garbage

>>718451010
Mexico was by far the best part

>>718452318
No that would be West Elizabeth

>>718452238
Kek but RDR2 isnt?

>>718452431
There are like 3 more things to do in 2 so at least it gets repetitive a little slower.

>>718449097
Why? Shit on IV all you want but how was GTA V that much better?
>cars drive like toys now
>story is really bad
>side activities are even worse, especially if you count TLaD and TBoGT as a part of GTA IV
>in V campaign missions are more varied and have more bangers on one hand, but the game also has more pure dogshit missions like yoga or the docks wagie simulator
>map is worse and half of it is empty
I could go on but the point is that while it's not some objective truth that GTA IV is better, it still is a pretty normal non-contrarian opinion to hold.

>>718452431
Less so than undead nightmare for sure

1 for me.

>>718452516
>cars drive like toys now
Cars are more realistic in 5 than they are in 4.

>>718452803
and it's less fun for it. realism has ruined gaming.

>>718452516
The driving in gta 5 was good. GTA 4s story was also pretty bad. There was fuck all to do in vanilla gta 4 as well. People started to really hate on gta 5 after the video by crowbcat. They are both good games but I’m tired of people online pretending like gta 5 was some slop game while gta 4 is some amazing masterpiece. They are both good games and Gta 5 has aged pretty well in its own right.

1 for me

Tried to play 2 but it is far too much worse story

>>718452516
IV is ugly and boring
Everything drives like a 1970's Lincoln Continental, even the motorcycle LMAO
I'll give you story part, since V has none

>>718447604 (OP)
1 is better
2 is just generic bloated open world slop

>>718453172
nah shooting things is more fun in 4, and that's important because that's what you're doing on most missions. also 4 still looks good and looked better than most games at the time while 5 never looked that great

>>718447604 (OP)
One has a better story but two is the better RPG simulation. One is about the death of the west and the other is about things going to shit because of a cult leader.

>>718453234
2 is amazing visually, everything else is downgraded, from the sloppy writing, unnecessary retcons, adding the extra magical negro characters, ham-handed leftist shit even tho the first 1 was already a revisionist western, and of course the gameplay being hobbled by CINEMA aesthetics, the online fixes a lot of things, but they killed that too

the story is the weakest part of rdr2, in fact the game would be better if it had no story mode

>>718453342
and do what instead? skin bear asses all day?

>>718453172
iv's new york is my favourite city in any game to date, if you just had some more things to do in it and businesses to buy then i'd basedface over liberty city forever

>>718453364
randomized missions and gang management
and i'd rather skin bear asses than hold forward all day

>>718453172
just use mods zoomie
https://youtu.be/-auy3TYyhRU

the art direction of 2 is still unmatched, maybe only Battlefield 1 comes close

>>718453364
online had story missions and heists too

>>718453520
sure, if you only value hyper realistic slop

>>718453332
I dont even care about the story, im talking strictly from the gameplay perspective
it plays like im swimming in molasses, everything takes forever to do
>watch a 10 second animation for every single action
>arthurt takes 2 business days to turn around and start walking
>dude inspect this house, well enjoy having to watch a movie for EACH ITEM YOU FIND
I uninstalled before I even finished the first few missions
gif related, its how it feels playing this dogshit game

1 was just an overall more fun game and John > Arthur

>>718450480
>hey dutch fuck you for killing the woman that tried to stab you, you're losing it!!!

>>718447604 (OP)
Rdr2’s story is much more emotional and its tragedy is the type that makes you cry your eyes out. Rdr1 has a more quiet tragedy that just makes you feel depressed and empty

>>718453520
>art direction
>just "real life"

>>718453558
RDR2 is extremely stylized, retard. that's why it looks so good after 7 years

>>718453646
>RDR2 is extremely stylized

>>718453590
this is the audience >>718450375
, yer too young

>RDR2 is better in every possible way.

if troons and feminists like and or favor a game, it's not a good game

>>718447604 (OP)
Arthur is a terrible protagonist and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.

>>718453776
and then there's me (I hate both)

>>718453776
and then there's me (i like both)

>>718449940
I played RDR1 first and I liked John but I think he had a good ending. I don't like stories about violent criminals that end well. The DLC ending was kind of fun. I don't like what happens after the main story ending but maybe it's believeable? And perhaps also makes the story sadder (a good thing to me) depending on what you value.

>>718453979
it's 2025, stop letting them live rent-free, at least charge them

>>718454080
Only thing canon to the story is that he beats poor debtors for a jew and murders an entire town to free Micah.

>>718454116
>but I think he had a good ending
he gets executed with his wife, and his kid becomes a pathetic criminal just like him.
How is THAT a good ending

>>718447604 (OP)
RDR2 is saddled down with too many extra characters that only exist to eat time away from the gang members I actually wanted to get to know.
>don't get to know Bill
>don't get to know Javier
>don't get to know the Reverend
>instead Sadie, Micah, the native/black guy I actually like but forget the name of, and some other camp randos with no real providence suck up all the air and add pretty much nothing
RDR2 has a stupendously strong start but it starts falling apart in chapter 3 and faceplants hard in the final acts. Micah being the rat should have been a damn red herring and Sadie just shouldn't have existed. And I say this as someone who LOVES raspy-voiced gingers. God, she sucks.

A more mild criticism: the writers have no idea how to actually write religious characters and it shows. The nun woman talks like a Unitarian and her and the Reverend's monolog to Arthur suck (and it not being the Rev in the 'good' ending for Arthur is bad too). I was also disappointed every time Rev wanted to talk only for Arthur to get sidetracked two sentences into the conversation with some other bullshit busywork job.

Pretty fuarking game though. Can't fault Rockstar there.

>>718454080
that French guy was no tranny, just in drag to escape the husbands of women he banged, c'mon, no need to exaggerate

>>718454502
They needed new characters to make the gang feel like a woke scooby doo camp.
In the original story, they were a gang of outlaws and murderers, simple.

>>718449940
The story was also more cohesive and normal. The implication was that you were part of a group of four bad asses who roamed around the West and you were one of them.

RDR2 made Marston into a complete irrelevant bitch boy as well as making the gang some kind of Contemporary Modern Society (TM)-loving collective whose worst crimes were being loansharking while everything else was The Morally Correct Thing To Do (TM).
I know why faggots like RDR2 and it's mainly because of its modern politics.

>>718454276
that's your headcanon

>>718454360
>following in your father's footsteps makes you pathetic
damn the j*ws really did a number on you didn't they

>>718454589
>DA JOOS
John wanted out of his criminal past to make a new life for himself and his family, that was his whole motivation, you dumb fucking animal.

>>718454669
I'm trans btw

>>718454502
>Sadie just shouldn't have existed. And I say this as someone who LOVES raspy-voiced gingers. God, she sucks.
she's the female writer self-insert ;)
GTA6 is gonna be great, lmao

>>718447604 (OP)
Both suck honestly (wont let me kill the mexican rebels) but the first one sucks less and undead nightmare is pretty fun.

>>718454581
no, all those sidequests are optional, most players don't even touch them

>>718447730
>"contrarianism" is the most shallow, lame internet bandwagon
Well you've got one thing right

I would like RDR2 more if it didn't feel like a constant tug-o-war between slow realistic cowboy sim and arcadey fast paced gamieness. I enjoy RDR1 more because it knew exactly what it was "a game" and never let anything get in the way of that.

>>718447730
10/10 bait made me reply

>>718447604 (OP)
>They should have switched the guns for the cover art
>RDR 1 barrel pointing at the user
>RDR2 2 barrels pointing at the user
>RDR 3 a 3 barrel shotgun or whatever

>>718454589
Jack becoming another criminal despite every previous generation doing everything in their power and even sacrificing themselves to make sure the next generation dont live the same criminal life they did is the ultimate tragedy of Red Dead

>>718455312
Cinema

>>718455312
>RDR3 2barrel shotgun and a revolver pointing at the user

>>718455485
I mean it's part of RDR. Marston's past eventually caught up with him. People wanted justice to be met. The BoI agent's past caught up to him for double crossing someone he used and taking a boys father from him wanting to exact justice.

It is what it is.

>>718447604 (OP)
RDR1 has the better story.
2's kind of starts falling apart in chapter 5. Remove Guarma from the story and nothing changes.
also it doesn't help there's a walking talking contradiction of the game's themes in Sadie.
revenge is a fool's game. outlaws' time is over? hell no, girls can get their rightful revenge then ride off into the sunset to live a life of adventure as a cool outlaw.
I get the feeling she was added in later, or that she wasn't planned to be such a girlboss initially.

>>718454360
>How is THAT a good ending
I meant that John personally had a good ending to his story, just in my opinion. Not good for his future or ability to live...but it was interesting and tragic. He risked his life to make amends for his misdeeds for his jailors, and when they wronged him, at least he had a chance to turn the gun on them and he died standing and fighting like he's been doing the entire game. Depending on what you believe, one could say that he deserved equal or greater treatment for all the needless and selfish death he caused and that sending bloodthirsty cops after him was justice. Another might say that he did his time by risking his life and sacrificing his dignity by betraying his old gang. I believe both honestly and these aren't just arguments coming out of my ass.

>he gets executed with his wife
He didn't get shot with his wife. I'm not sure how she died actually, I must have missed if there was anything implied. Did she get hung by the feds? I thought her and Jack ran off on a horse afterward. But if they stuck around then that's a possibility. I thought she died of a "broken heart" or something like that a few years later.

>and his kid becomes a pathetic criminal just like him.
As for Jack, I guess it's really up to your interpretation. I don't know if we can say that Jack is a criminal canonically just because the game lets you play as him and shoot people as him just so that you can continue to play the game after the story. All we know is he follows the old way of the blood feud and kills the man that kills his father. This just came off as some kind of fan service and a "good" ending to my dumb ass mind at the time so I didn't like it. Maybe that was a part of it. It's entertainment after all. Giving into righteous anger can be cathartic.

>>718456053
think it's implied Jack became a writer and wrote the book "Red Dead" that is on Franklin's shelf in gta5, so he perhaps did give up the outlaw life after his revenge

>>718455004
optional doesn't mean non canon and the game doesn't even have an established canon yet so everything you say is your headcanon

>>718455670
Edgar was obviously a piece of shit and he deserved what he got. But at the same time Jack completely erased everything John fought for by killing Ross, he would be absolutely rolling in his grave

So was Micah the rat or not?

>>718456541
John wasn't some Christian saint, as long as Jack got out and didn't stay a criminal, he'd have been cool.

>>718456660
yes, that Irish bitch Dutch's girl was just drunk crazy

>>718447730
>sudden

>>718456053
Oh yeah, Abigail and Jack escape at the end of DRD1, my mistake.

>>718456660
He rats out Arthur to O'Driscoles, I don't remember if he also talked to the Pinkertons.

>>718447604 (OP)
1 by far, not even a contest
1 is a good western, 2 is a netflix western

having said that, I rather play the 2nd game any day
I don't really care about stories in videogames

>>718447604 (OP)
This whole debate really just comes down to whether or not you played RDR 1 first. Nobody (yes, nobody, including you) thinks RDR 2 is better if you played the first game before it.

>>718456660
given how shit the writing is, probably yeah
but my headcanon is that milton lied and it was either molly or just gang being so high profile that there was no need for the rat

>>718456990
or abigail

>>718447730
Fuck off zoomer I guarantee you played them out of order and haven't a clue what you're talking about.

The story of RDR2 is a sick joke. One of the moments in Arthur's "redemption" involves murdering scores of army troops. From beginning to end he is a dumb thug with no interesting or redeemable traits.

>>718457237
America has been corrupt since it's an inception, murdering troops is morally neutral

>>718447785
Yeah that's what annoys me about the praise for 2. It's pretentiously written shit for midwits. It's not a good western nor is it a good "deconstruction" of the western genre. It's just a jumbled mess of tropes.

>>718456154
No that’s likely just an Easter egg. The canon explanation is that his fate is unknown. I always hated the theory that John became lived a long life and became a writer. It really takes away from the tragedy of RDR’s ending and it’s just not aligned with a game centered around how your past actions have consequences and will catch up to you. I think the most logical theory is that he ran from the law or was eventually caught and punished.

>>718449679
I'd suggest you read some better books if RDR2 is what you actually consider a good story.

>>718457286
Insisting on speaking my language yet being unable to use it properly is exactly what I have come to expect from your kind. Where are you from, swarthoid?

>john marston shows up
>please help us mister, we're being prosecuted
>i dont care about politics, as long as you pay me
>repeat this for 80 missions
>dies

>>718457290
the most pretentious part is that it doesn't actually take place in the west. the southern gothic setting was obviously ripped off from django unchained

>>718457369
>no argument
Concession incepted

>>718447730
I already had the "RDR1 is better than RDR2" opinion when RDR2 initially came out.

>>718457237
>slaughters countless dozens of police officers and soldiers
>”you’re a good man Mr Morgan”
KEK

>>718447604 (OP)
I dont care about that.
Who have better gameplay and cowboy things?

>>718447604 (OP)
>which game had the better story
Why can't newfaggots just play a fucking video game? It's all movie slop all the time.

>>718456663
Nobody said John was a saint, but he tried to do right near the end of his life. And he was definitely right to try and make sure Jack lived a normal and happy life. And no I do not think Jack made it out, he likely spent the rest of his life as a criminal.

>>718457496
>trannymai poster has an opinion

>>718449940
Yep. They made the story to fit the game instead of the other way around. It worked well with the morality system as well, you are consciously deciding whether you want John to redeem himself (plz do not) or to continue to be an outlaw and nothing in the story contradicts that because your goal is the same regardless, saving your family.

It also doesn't take itself too seriously apart from a few key emotional moments, the exact opposite of RDR2 where one of the first missions is a fucking social justice fantasy about being le hecking tolerant outlaw in the 19th century.

>>718457521
Play a video game instead of seeking out interactive movies. Just play one single game for once. Every single day its the same threads on the same slop.

>>718450246
They nailed the theme of the passing of the old ways and old west perfectly in that game. John couldn't escape either his past or the fact that the world was catching up with him. He was becoming a relic of a bygone era by the time of that game, which is why the fact that the prequel decided to do the exact same fucking theme instead of showing the gang at their peak was baffling.

>>718457608
Go back

>>718457645
>showing the gang at their peak
Yeah but that would require the game being more humble, which RDR2 had no chance of being. Rockstar just had to refer to the game as a sequel even though it isn't one because they had to let everyone know it was the biggest thing ever.

>>718457702
>movie game thread
>sharty kid
Not the least bit surprising.

>>718457796
>buzzword buzzword buzzword i'm just like you guys haha
Go back. Now.

>>718454502
It really is bizarre that they made a prequel but then decided to completely sideline the characters from the original game. Not to mention some of them like Micah's Sadie feel like they would almost definitely be mentioned at least in passing in RDR1.

>>718454565
Because RDR2 is like peak modern writing but people don't want to admit it. You are supposed to be in this bloodthirsty outlaw gang but it just feels like a bunch of modern day people camping in the woods.

>>718457829
You're here because your opinions are too vapid to be accepted on even reddit. I'm here because I've read kodomo no jikan 13 times. Keep repeating yourself, I know exactly what you are. You're a semen slurping parasite who NEVER belonged here and you're NEVER gunna play a real video game.

>>718457972
>haha guys i read the entry level pedoslop, do i fit in yet? why won't you guys accept me yet, i'm one of the cool trannies, i'm just like you guys!

>>718458070
>pedoslop
There's more of that tourist normalfaggot talk. I 1cc'd batrider today. What did you play today? That's right. Nothing. You made the same exact shit threads you made on /v/ yesterday and the day before that and the day before that and then bumped them all day.

>>718458119
>thinks he's cool because he can 1cc batrider
Get back to me when you can clear Dodonpachi on expert. You aren't nearly as cool as you think you are, but I won't tell you to go back anymore because this board has went to shit anyway. You honestly fit right in with all the dumb zoomers shitting up the board these days.

>>718447604 (OP)
Red dead 2 is objectively better and I’m biased towards rdr1

>>718447730
Absolute normie take because for them, all what matters are visuals and presentation, which are the only things that are better in rdr2.
Rdr2 is pretty, yeah, but a slog to play. Rdr1 is the better game and no amount of crying normies will change it.

>>718447604 (OP)
I think in retrospect they made a big mistake by not giving enough screen time to Johns gang members in rdr1. Especially Dutch, in rdr2 he is like one of main characters who is given a ton of depth but then just dies unceremoniously after 3 minutes of screen time in rdr1. This was already a criticism when the game first came out and it’s only been amplified by rdr2.

>>718458307
>Get back to me when you can clear Dodonpachi on expert
Batrider is a fair bit harder than dodonpachi dude

Wouldn't TB fuck you up so bad you'd barely be able to walk around

>>718450180
>survived
I rather expect it to revive wokeness a bit, it isn't over yet.

>>718458826
>movie game thread
>swarming with /r/kotakuinaction retards
Why is this so common?

>>718458885
OH look, another redditard. Why aren't you over there? Isn't the site shit enough already? You gotta shit up this one aswell?

>>718458505
nah homie, rdr1 is too much gta with horses for this argument to work.

>>718459080
You have a whole literal subreddit to be a whiny man baby in. Quite frankly, all of these normalfag console slops crashing and burning is the best news imaginable for TRUE video game fans, and any well-to-do gamer would be delighted to see you people miserable. Your agony is entirely self-inflicted and it's what you deserve. I hope everything you love turns to shit.

>>718452803
t. Never driven a real car

>>718450228
Kill yourself tranny.

>>718458740
eventually, that's why playing RDR2 is a fucking chore, the game actively punishes you for playing the game latter half with arthur "black lung" morgan

>>718457965
RDR1 gave too many modern/female R* devs the ICK.

>>718448514
red dead redemption is the second game in the series

>>718447604 (OP)
I will only answer this question once we get a Red Dead Remake, until then RDR2 is better.

RDR 1 by a long shot and I'm not even being a contrarian faggot. RDR 2 has the better open world but as a cohesive experience RDR 1 is MUCH better. RDR 2 just drags too fucking long and the story is a scrambled mess that repeats itself too much.

>>718447604 (OP)
red dead 2 because it helped me manifest my true gender

>>718460837
based FtM chad

>>718460779
RDR1's pacing was also pretty horrible to be fair

>>718457237
That's why I prefer John's story, there is much less emphasis on the redemption part. John didn't even care about being redeemed or being a better man, just wanted to secure his family's future

>>718457237
his redemption is freeing himself from sexism and homophobia, silly chud

>>718447604 (OP)
at least 1 had a plot. 2 is just a series of disjointed vignettes. it's laugable.

>>718447730
you are brown.

RDR2's story:
>the age of outlaws is over
>we fucked up big time
>Dutch is delusional
>Micah is an asshole
>this is going to end badly

All of this is conclusively before you arrive to the Act 1 campsite, the rest of the game is just a trudge towards the inevitable end that's so torturously slow it makes the Russian advance on Ukraine look like a Blitzkrieg.

>>718461394
2 does have a story, it's about the downfall of the Van Der Linde gang. It's just very episodic, but RDR1 was also kind of like that

>>718461512
Arthur's Tuberculosis storyline really saved and elevated the whole game to actually being pretty good

>>718461512
russia is winning btw

>>718447604 (OP)
2 was 3 trillion times more popular.
I dunno, what would you say?
Fuck off and stop asking obvious ass shit.

>>718462007
millions of flies can't be wrong, right?

One thing I will give 2 is that it re-contextualizes Dutch telling John that he's got a plan in RDR1. It's like for a moment he loses the insanity.

>>718462150
No it ruins the scene from RDR1. I liked to interpret that scene as one of the rare moments of dutch being completely straight and honest to John about himself and his situation, because he realizes it's genuinely over for him. The reference from RDR2 made it feel less genuine.

>>718461593
>it's about the downfall of the Van Der Linde gang
it wasn't compelling
we all know Dutch is going to lose his mind, it's just dumb handsome arthur, the sadsack goon lurching his way through, it should have been Dutch and Hose at his prime and young teen Arthur full of life and vigor

>>718461716
3 years into the 2-day win, fer sure

>>718461716
Russia will keep winning as long as they have bodies to throw into the grinder, it's what slavs are born to do, die for the czar.

>>718457237
Not are troops! Oh my freedom!

>>718462279
The downfall story is much more compelling imo. Dutch slowly showing his true self, the gang members getting killed one by one, and Arthur having to come to terms with his own mortality makes for a lot of great emotional moments. The gang at it's prime could be interesting to see but I don't think it would be nearly as impactful of a story.

>>718447604 (OP)
I'm playing GTA atm and I just don't care about it.

>>718447604 (OP)
RDR1 tops. It's a spaghetti western game with great, pulpy writing that comes off as less indulgent than RDR2, that has superior gameplay and graphics but starts to lag the further you go into the story.

John's journey was more compelling and filled with less distracting bullshit or side characters that served no purpose, and his arc as a result is cohesive and well executed. Arthur, meanwhile, spends too much time jerking off about how much of a big retarded killer he is, refuses to turn on his brain even when it hurts the story, and is forced to interact with characters that are massive downgrades of their RDR1 counterparts. The camp feels like a fucking Robin Hood hideout and not a collection of thieves and murderers led by a man filled with delusions. Dutch is easily the best character and has a good descent to madness, and Micah might be the most pointless would-be red herring villain ever. I won't even talk about Sadie, she stomps all over the themes the game tries to tell.
They fucked up with RDR2's narrative because they weren't as laser focused as in the first game. John's story is less about redemption and more about making amends while he can. Arthur could fill the redemption niche had the gang actually been brutal.

>>718462517
good, cause it's not GTA

>me as a red dead revolver fan
Bros shut the fuck up, gaming isn't saved, i am trying to sleep

>>718462527
>John's story is less about redemption
Then why'd they fucking call it that

>>718462527
>had the gang actually been brutal.
exactly
they were a gang, the girls were whores, Uncle was the pimp, instead you get Stinky Pete and company, safe for the modern audience

>>718462567
GTA Cowboybs

>>718462673
They're not "safe", the point is they're good people led astray

>>718462792
They are supposed to be criminals, murderers thieves and whores.
At least own it instead of pretending they are LE COMMENTARY on racist America OMG, so deep, you fucking tard.
I paid money for a cowboy crime sim, not yer community college lecture.

>>718462652
Because the game does technically center around redemption. But John himself did not care for redemption in the end, and it was just a lie sold to him by the federal agents

>>718462941
>Omg why aren't these people one-dimensional stereotypes, bad writing

>>718463528
>what if criminals were just oppressed darkies
>no not the ones from the first game, they were all bad
>these new ones for the prequel
LMAO

>>718447730
TRVTH NVKE

>>718452414
This, shame it was so rushed and small in comparison to the rest of the game

Fuck you boomers.
I enjoyed RDR2.
Remaster the first one if you want me to play.

>>718461716
>russia is winning btw

>>718464510
Christ, that looks like my Moms place.

>>718464452
it's on pc bro

>>718458569
That's the case for many of Rockstar's games (GTA IV, Bully, etc.)

>>718464373
Blackwater is my go-to town late in the game, I don't see a reason to go to any other town unless it's for some activities for completion

>>718464452
The first one did get remastered

>>718464639
>GTA 4
Johnny Klebitz?

>>718464653
>>718464630
it's just an upscaled port
they can remaster it properly if they want my shackles

>>718464832
sounds perfect

>>718464772
I was thinking Dimitri, who basically disappears from the game from the moment he betrays Niko until his death in the final (or penultimate) mission

He still gets ocassional mentions and phone calls but it's not enough presence for a primary antagonist

The exact same thing happens with Bully, where Gary also disappears from the game from his betrayal until the final mission

>>718447604 (OP)
2 is too woke with centralist arthur

>>718464959
Oh i see, true. I also honestly felt the same way about Roman, he was pretty prevalent in missions of the first act but then basically doesn't show up in any significant way for the rest of the game until near the end. I thought he would be much more involved.

RDR 2 annoyed the fuck out of me in terms of the immersion being dogshit. You put in hundreds of dollars investing in the camp while everyone is barely putting in a couple bucks then if you go do some shit for a few days and come back everyone and I mean everyone is like "ARTHUR WHY AIN'T YOU PULLING YOUR WEIGHT?!? WHY AIN'T YOU PUTTING IN MONEY ARTHUR???" It was completely baffling to me I think it happened in chapter 2 and it just made me feel a complete disconnect. Then the Strawberry thing happens where you murder basically an entire town and it barely gets brought up? Wouldn't it be massive news if 40ish people in one town got shot and killed? RDR 1 at least made sense in terms of your actions having realistic consequences. RDR 2 lost me. I don't even know how people defend it

>>718465061
or you can not kill anyone and arthur still goes
>IMMA BAD BAD MAN KILLIN' FELLERS

>>718465120
he killed many people before the game starts

>>718465061
I wanted to upgrade the camp, but all the improvements are putting skulls and shit up on the tents, gross, no thanks.

>>718465154
but he was talking about the present

>>718465352
Game knows you've been stalking women and stabbing them to death in FPS mode.

>>718465410
just the black ones

>>718447604 (OP)
I prefer RDR1's soundtrack, although RDR2's OST is also really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX4LSRd8LsU&list=RDQX4LSRd8LsU&start_radio=1

>>718450375
yes sir

>>718454502
>don't get to know Bill
>don't get to know Javier
>don't get to know the Reverend
You faggots never spent time at the camp?
There are literally bazillion dialogues there, for all the fucking characters
You could spend 2 hours straight sitting next to the fire and keep on hearing new dialogues

>>718447730
both were shit but gr8 b8

>>718466563
wondering around the camp forced to walk in molasses is hardly peak gaming

>>718466758
kys

>>718450375
>>718466457
grim

>>718447730
>RDR2 is better in every possible way
Wrong.
RDR2 has better graphics, map, and NPC behavior. But RDR has better story, gameplay (not a slog), music, and multiplayer (not a grindfest). Both games have their merits but RDR2 isn't "better in every possible way." I just hope R* remembers to make GTA 6 fun and not just cinematic.

>>718447604 (OP)
>better story?
Does rdr2 even have one???

>>718447604 (OP)
I found RDR2 too soft for the crime genre. It was especially funny when Arthur started acting like a girl when Dutch killed the old woman on Guarma. I would like the game to keep the tone of the first part, and I would like Arthur not to be a pretty boy.

>>718466563
Sorry, I was too busy playing the game.

Like, I really appreciate details like the ambient camp dialogue, I wouldn't fault Rockstar for it, but you go on ONE job with Javier (which is mostly just him getting called the lowest power slurs I've heard in my life) and ONE fishing trip. He gets less real screentime than Lenny, who only exists to die in Saint Denis.

Even without hanging around in camp the campaign in tens of hours long. I shouldn't have to scrounge through ambient dialogue to get some characterization for returning characters. There's plenty of goddamn room in the normal story already, it's just wasted on too many random fucks.

>>718447604 (OP)
Red dead 2? What story in rdr1 lol. 70 missions of busy work followed up by the single memorable set piece in the game. Its wild how nobody cared that much about rdr1 until 2 came out and now suddenly everyone thinks its a masterpiece and not just gta4 with horses

>>718470548
Yeah RDR1's story is considered great because of it's ending. Without it, the story would just be considered as decent.

>>718470548
RDR1 was definitely well-received at the time, not just for its memorable ending but also its character writing and atmosphere. RDR2 improved on those things.

>>718447604 (OP)
I don't think I can really say because of how different the two games' stories are. They deserve to be appreciated based on their own merits

>>718470548
>what story
funny because that's how I feel about 2
Rdr1 story
>Jon has to win his family's freedom from corrupt gov agents by killing or capturing his former gang members
rdr2 story
>Arthur dicks about while participating in badly planned heists every once in a while because....well because Dutch told him to. Shut up. also he gets cowboys AIDS
Rdr1 had a better and tighter story by far, it's not comparable. Couldn't give less of a shit about rdr2 and its meandering, gay misadventures with indians and wops and (not)cuban revolutionaries. I find most people who go on about "muh story" don't actually care about story in 2. They're just gay for arthur

>>718472902
>They're just gay for arthur
Women love him, men want to be him.
Looks are everything.

>>718472902
Fun fact there was a cut gay storyline between Charles and Arthur, I believe very early in the development stage

>>718473718
>you will never be a half-Injun nog topping Arthur's sweet man-pucci
why even live???

>>718447604 (OP)
RDR1 is more in line with the old Rockstar way of parody'ing cult movies, so its cheesy and fun. Altho, except for its intro, Mexico fucking sucks.

>>718473942
Lmao

>>718469289
I hated this too, in RDR1 Marston and Abby themself act as if the gang was a bunch lawless killers but then you play 2 and everyone is a bunch goodie2shoes, with the exception of Bill and Micah.

>>718474601
Well, they were killers, but by the time they were writing RDR2...

>>718449503
RDR 2 was a boring story and nothing more.

>>718447604 (OP)
i got to the town and uninstalled rdr2. at least in 1 i didnt die from boredom

>>718475438
Literally the start of the game.
Yer lying of course, but yeah, it does have a slow start.

>>718474601
Marston also insists in RDR1 that the gang tried to fight for good and help those unable to help themselves until Dutch went crazy, which is basically what we see happening in RDR2

>>718475724
no lies. i got to the town and the last mission i did was a fight outside the salon or something. funny enough i didnt finish rdr1 either. i killed the last boos but theres this after credits shit on a farm and i just couldnt trigger the mission because either the npc was gone or he said "not now come back later"

>>718475438
what part of "movie game" do you not understand?

>>718475876
>fight for good and help those unable to help themselves
which part was that, loansharking poor farmers?
killing everyone in Starwberry?
pretending to be lawmen and raiding that plantation and burning to the ground?

rdr2 sucks so much fucking ass who in their right mind decided that your character needed 50gb and 500 layers of animation on your character? Every time you move it feels like you're moving through jello and it's only from the layered character animations.

If I had to guess it was some incompetent fucking jeets.

>>718448013
I definitely can't agree with this. I think RDR2 is too long but it also is way more consistently good throughout. RDR1 tanks hard in the mexico chapter, in every way by the way, the story, the characters, the missions, everything just comes to a grinding halt.

>>718453558
>>718453687
RDR2 looks like a live painting, it absolutely in no way is aiming for photorealism. Is it realistic looking? I mean sure, it's not cell shaded, it doesn't look like Wind Waker, but that doesn't mean the aim was photorealism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0XbWUEv0Ho

>>718477003
Then Blackwater and Dutch just come and go like nothing. The farmer arc is fun tho.

>>718472902
Have to agree with this. People complain about filler in 1 but the thing is you, as a player, have the proper motivation to be involved with all the storyline weirdos because they can help you find leads to track down your associates and get 1 step closer to freeing your family. However, there is no such proper motivation for the player in 2. We go on all these retarded endeavors because of 'loyalty to dutch' or something and yet half the fucking gang, including arthur, knows dutch is a fuck up and an idiot and that his plans are shit and spend their free time complaining about him. So why am I still with this group of retards? This feeling is further exacerbated by the fact that the entire plot is a quest for cash so that you can run away for good, apparently, yet meanwhile I'm walking around with like 25k in pocket while finding gold all over the map. Money isn't an issue in 1, it's not part of the story so there is no dissonance and again, why am I, as the player, messing around with these incompetent retards when I could have just taken my own earnings and left for south america by myself midway through the game? It's not motivating, it's frustrating and because of this the filler in 2 is a fucking painful slog to sift through which always makes me wanna quit and just fuck around in the open world looking sidequests or fishing and whatnot. tldr: dutch is an annoying cocksucker and I'd rather be in Colm's group doing real gang shit instead of being part of the hippie brigade that can't shoot straight.

>>718466457
Based.

>>718476271
You're coming close to figuring out a key theme of the series

Look at this beautiful map

>>718478985
Saint Denis feels a lot bigger than it is

>>718479168
yeah

>>718447604 (OP)
RDR1 barely has a story. That's why I think they gave us a whole epilogue with John, as an apology for wasting that character/voice in the first game.

>>718478719
I'm sure Dutch is very attractive to bunker tr,00ns like you and your delusions of la revolucion.

>>718447604 (OP)
1 barely had a story.
>John my dear boy we know you were an outlaw, kill the remaining members of your old gang and we will free your family and forget about your past
2 was better overall and enriched the experience of 1.

>>718480020
what exactly is the story in 2?

>>718480103
Dutch goes crazy after he knocks his head, Arthur simps after Saddie and run chores.

>>718480217
Damn, sounds like a really lame soap opera

>>718447604 (OP)
Micah and Dutch are the only good characters in 2

>>718480303
It's a visual MASTERPIECE of a soap opera.

>>718480103
The downfall of the van der Linde gang and how someone as charismatic as Dutch became a shadow of his former self.

>>718448109

Guarma fucking sucks though

>>718480504
Damn, sounds like a gay soap opera

>>718480598
tell me about it
>foreign lady holds you up with a knife after handing her a bar of gold
>kill her in self defense
>WELL TARNATION DUTCH THE HELL YA DO THAT FER YA DONE KILLED HER I TELL YA HWAT NOT VERY CHRISTIAN IFN YA ASK ME
arthur fucking blows chunks

>>718480763
Arthur’s not even Christian, he shits on religion in a side mission

>>718480504
Sounds good, too bad the execution was ass

>>718480020
You literally don't need more than a basic plot in a video game. When games try to be these big sweeping epics on par with movies they always end up as incoherent piles of shit. So yes, 1 had a better story.

>>718461716
yeah anon that's why i compared it to rdr2's story
it's inebitable

>>718460240
then why Is it called Red Dead Redemption 2 and not 3?

>>718480875
He's a proper anti-fascist socialist feminist, of course, he shits on religion.

>>718447604 (OP)
I like RDR1 story way more, I can't never finish RDR2 story because it's boring

Arthur is the worst Rockstar protagonist
Worse than Trevor

>>718480598
Gaurma had great potential to be the bridge between Chapter 6 and the previous chapters. It could have been an Apocalypse now/heart of darkness descent into madness, where the gang members become increasingly brutal and desperate, with Dutch increasingly showing his true self even more than before. But in the final game Guarma is super rushed, and the gang members like Javier turning evil in Chapter 6 feels it kind of came out of nowhere.

>>718481778
But the most handsome.

>>718481778
i hate his forced voice

>>718481989
>forced

>>718448109
I always seen the epilogue just as an ending for rdr1 players, basically you get the ending you expected when you first played rdr1, it's the ending we wanted for Marston in 1

>>718482121
yes forced
but since your posting an image of a game with tranny voice actors you probably like it

>>718481989
Roger Clark >>> Rob Wiethoff
Rob is a fucking dork lmao, in every interview I can tell Roger Clark has a much better idea of his acting and craft

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