Thread 718530087

NV was just as good, but had drastically better weapons and combat mechanics, so was just objectively better overall. The weapons in 3 were obviously designed by people who had no experience with firearms and it almost ruined the game. People who think 3 was better are dumb fucks who probably believed that Vice News photo where an entire loaded rifle cartridge stuck in a wall was stated as being a sniper's bullet.

Somewhat related: Outer Worlds was one of the biggest pieces of shit in the last ten years.

>>718530087 (OP)
Both shit and no amount of /k/ autism can fix open world slop

>>718530216
Fallout NV is easily one of the top five greatest games of all time.

fallout 3: kino setting

fallout nv: soulless cowboy slop

>>718530474
32ACP bolt action rifle

>>718530352
if you've only played 5 of them, sure. I couldn't bother to finish it because it's low engagement consolefag shit

>>718530087 (OP)
I mean, yeah.

New Vegas is simply a better game than Fallout 3 and the best of the nu-Fallouts. Anyone who heralds 3 as some sort of misunderstood masterpiece is either a contrarian, a troll, or someone who really, really likes crawling around metro tunnels and modding Fallout into some sort of post-apocalyptic survival-horror game. The DLC as a whole is probably one of my favorite things in gaming. Well, OWB I could take or leave due to its open world structure.

I really miss the years when this was unanimously one of /v/'s favorite games and there was tons of OC. It's pretty funny to see the rare NV thread on other boards, away from the shitposters here, and discussion is perfectly normal.

>>718530742
I'm sure you'd rather be playing Fortnite

>>718530750
Lonesome Road was fucking amazing. And Joshua Graham in Honest Hearts was one of the greatest game characters ever.

>>718530930
Fortnite is for the same audience of retards playing open world games with quest markers leading them everywhere
careful in your glass house

>>718531036
Ah I see, you only play indie side scrollers.

>>718530087 (OP)
You have to have a sufficient IQ to understand why Fallout 3 is better. I will make a video essay on it one day.

>>718531025
For me, it's
>Dead Money
>Honest Hearts
>Lonesome Road
>Old World Blues
Dead Money is just such a tight, controlled experience and it works well. The characters are obviously great. Honest Hearts is a nice middle ground between a structured quest line and open world bullshit. Lonesome Road feels really good at the end of your playthrough, but I'm just not that attached to it.

Isn't NV that game for those fellas who chop their cocks off?

I will never let the internet ruin fallout 3 for me. It’s fun. It just was made by morons.
But morons are better than the libshit kikesuckers who made New Vegas (Vegas is a better game). Hopefully the tv show takes a massive SHIT on the messages of New Vegas and people seethe like their child died

>>718530087 (OP)
NV was presented to Bethesda as an isometric turn based game despite the contract stating they had to design a 3d game in the GECK
Shitsidian ended up paying modders to design the majority of the game
you can still see how fucked Shitsidian are at coding in the base game. Metal armor was meant to have DR against lasers but it never workred
Even Sawyer was so butthurt he started putting out a mod to try to salvage it untill Avellone admited that Bethesda offered help but Shitsidian refused it and then ended up admitting that the project was impossible to complete even with 'another ten dlc'

New Vegas is just an alpha demo and a good one at that. It just needs fan content to make it playable.

I've been surprised by the amount of location checks new vegas has. An npc tells you to go somewhere and you can tell them you've already been if you had. Fallout 3, 3 dog tells you about rivet city and you can only ask him where is that despite already being there

>>718530087 (OP)
The world of Fallout 3 was fun to explore, metro tunnels and all. New vegas was better at everything else, and improved averything other than the exploration and atmosphere which was lackluster. This was fixed with mods over the years though. Nothing can fix fallout 3's shitty story and dialogue.
That said, TTW is great. Fallout 3 had too much combat for those shitty weapons and mechanics, but with NV's weapons and mechanics it's actually fun.

Fallout 3's map design was better and so was the exploration.

>>718531272
Yeah Dead Money was also excellent. The only one I didn't really like was Old World Blues. Too slapstick and it just kind of clashed with the rest of the game.

>>718530087 (OP)
4 mogs

>>718530087 (OP)
Bro why is that your only metric? By every other metric 3 is best and it's not even close. Especially writing. Idk how you can enjoy rick and morty in the desert, but I'll take my sinceritykino thank you.

Besides I disagree with you on the guns. The gameplay with them in nv was stiff and uninspired. It felt like they only added what they did because they thought it was obligatory and they didn't bother actually testing it to make sure it felt good. No one cares about realism in guns, so Fallout 3 surpasses it yet again. 3's guns and gunplay actually felt unique too. It wasn't bad, it just felt arcadey.

>>718531465
Who the fuck uses armor in a game with good stealth mechanics?

>>718531647
you think that's bad?
You should see have seen how bad New Vegas was during beta testing
Literally they had mountains of unclimbable shit to try to force you to go southm into Primm then Nipton and into Novav to start the first few quest. They only relented when Bethesda said 'fuck no, retards'

Obsidian aren't actually utter shit. They did try. They just made a game that they were never made to make and it never translated into 3d

>>718531979
they understood the writing just fine, and since that was core to fallout it turned out well.

>>718531946
I care about gun realism. When I played Outer Worlds, and realized that shotguns and pistols were drawing from the same ammo pool, I shut the game off and never played it again.

>>718532060
It'd probably the worst Fallout game

assuming you like Fallout

>>718531946
this is bait of EXCELLENT quality.

>>718530352
Tranny hands typed this post

>>718532126
>>718532169
oh you are the guy baiting. the retarded troon schizo
gotcha.

>>718530087 (OP)
>weapons and combat mechanics
shit in both games and not the reason to play them
3 actually succeeds in being an open ended open world game. NV playthrough consists of picking a faction and doing their questline
3 also has better world design, random encounters, skill checks, and is somehow not as buggy

3's story is bad and it barely has any memorable characters.

>>718530087 (OP)
None of you stupid faggots have even played these games, you're just a bunch of third world zoomers addicted to shitposting about nu-/v/'s worst memeshit.

>>718532128
>bait is when something unwoke threatens the official youtuber narrative
Have another bit of bait. Nintendo is fun.

>>718532110
That's weird anon. We need niggas who care about sword accuracy as much as this.

>>718532110
At least you're better than the people who care about food realism in fallout

>>718532256
I barely ever did quests in NV.

NV is the only game in history I know of to understand "damage threshold". Just because a shotgun blast can do lots of damage doesn't mean each individual buckshot pellet can penetrate armor. Conversely, just because a high velocity little 5mm round can icepick it's way through armor doesn't mean it's going to do a lot of damage along the way. A big hole and a deep hole are not the same thing. This is an extremely important concept to understand about firearms in general and Fallout NV was the only game to get this right.

>>718532398
NV isn't for playing. It's for grooming unsuspecting teenage boys into becoming she/theys.

>>718530352
Deus Ex is better, Fallout 1 and 2 are better, Planescape is better, Metro and Stalker are also better so no

>>718532643
I agree, melee weapons are almost as bad in lots of games. In particular, battle axes are grossly misunderstood. Historical battle axes were extremely thin-bladed and light weight and handled very fast. They were not these hulking splitting mauls reserved for the retard strength guy in your crew.

>>718532898
I hate Kingdom Coom but it at least got axes right by making them fast and aggresive weapons with shit defense as opposed to making them slow

>>718532849
Top five greatest games:

- Fallout NV

- Metal Gear Solid 3

- Silent Hill 2

- Age of Empires 2

- Deus Ex: the Conspiracy

>>718532995
The first Kingdom Come was really good. The second had lots of amazing improvements but was ultimately a boring talking simulator and I was very disappointed they went in that direction. I actually couldn't even finish it because I maxed out my skills and ran out of shit to do and was so bored I stopped playing it. There's like 600 hours of dialogue.

>>718532370
This but NV

>>718533000
Chatgpt draws its data primarily from Reddit. Not sure why, but I was just reminded of that fact

>>718533147
Also didn't it get taken over by the juice and say white bad, black good? And didn't let you go to church anymore? Even though they still had the inside church assets from the first game? And every single character in the game was a devout Christian?

>>718533000
>- Deus Ex: the Conspiracy
Bro, you mean the PS2 version? What?

>>718530352
Agreed.

>>718533420
Yes. And apparently towards the end you can have gay sex with Hans Capone. I didn't get that far. I maxed out my archery skills at the archery tournament, unlocked every stealth perk, killed everything in the game in a few hours, and then wandered around a barren wasteland with nothing to do but "quests" that on average are 95% just talking and following people around at a snails pace. I've never seen so much wasted potential in my life. I was bored with KCD2 in about 20 hours, meanwhile I've put over 1000 hours into Skyrim and could still no life it to this day, a fucking 15 year old RPG.

>>718533448
Yes. The PS2 port was better.

>>718533967
>1000 hours into Skyrim
i will never understand how people manage to put in so much time into sandboxes like these.
eventually you've finished all the proper content and do nothing but fuck around in radiant slop quests.
something that irked me so badly the first time i discovered it i almost immediately lost all interest in playing it any further, like being disenchanted after finding out all there's left is sisyphosing the same routinely repopulated dungeons over and over.
best i managed to do was like 120 hours or so for a single seen-it-all playthrough, or 150+ hours with dozens of quest mods or DLC sized additions like beyond skyrim bruma.
but then after playing it for weeks on end the light is just gone and i have to pause for a year or two before i return

Wrong

>>718532849
>Deus Ex is better, Fallout 1 and 2 are better, Planescape is better, Metro
Nah
>Stalker
Yes

>>718534909
Because there are infinite ways to optimize builds and strategies.

FNV mod recommendations from another thread.
From what i remember all of those listed individual mods and series (apart from DUST) are playable on a single run and are made for an NCR aligned character.
DUST meanwhile is more of a total conversion mod and requires a fresh stand-alone install.

>Someguy2000 series
bounty hunting action, western coded, blood meridian, etc, plenty of new DLC sized areas.
>th3overseer series
mostly action and mystery, starts of rather small but grows into an increasingly interesting overarching story with many cross-references. tone and characters remind of sicario, true detective and glowie stuff, occasional DLC sized map additions, great humor with his final mod.
>Strangers abroad series
a well crafted mix of espionage, tech vault scavenging, ocean’s eleven, conspiracies, some horror elements. sadly the modder quit after the third episode right when you seem to get your team together and the story starts to pick up steam.
>Haunted Casino
well made horror. perfectly achieves what it sets out to do.
>Zion Trail
good story and nice mix of indoor and outdoor exploration on a huge new map.
>Tales from the Burning Sands
puzzles, cooking, upgradable turret pet, no quest markers. (mod series is as old as NV itself, but there's a lot of interesting shit done here that a lot of modmakers haven't tried. it's good in a scrappy but very genuine sort of way) His fo3 mod series is also pretty good. It had a special crossbow with upgrade slots you could customize to deal with any sort of enemy. Rarely see a mod do something like that.
>Autumn Leaves
mystery, character focused. the pinnacle of story-focused noncombat mods as far as i'm concerned.
this ist he one that got famously ripped off by bethesda in a far harbor side quest
>Garden of Ethan
good story and exploration, i think it ups tales from the burning sands in terms of interesting interactivity in many ways. really impressive mod, one of the newer ones too.

1/2

>>718535937

>Race to the bottom
a well made mod with plenty of well written dialogue, interesting characters and intriguing story.
>Into the Deep
great exploration if you like vaults and caves. decent story.
>The World We Knew
more vault exploration and overall well crafted interiors.
>Area 11
open world exploration with various points of interest. it's ambitious and I think it's actually decent.
>Salt Lake Stories
this is genuinely undercooked, like terrible ESL writing but it's really ambitious and admirable because it kinda feels like fallout 2 but in NV. You get a handful of maps with quests that connect them and you travel on a super janky overworld with your car like in classic fallout. If the writing was better it would easily be in my top ten.
>DUST
a full blown true bad ending fanfic but there's a lot of work put into it and it can be quite fun story-wise. gameplay-wise it's like pulling teeth and I wouldn't personally play it without modding the combat.

2/2

>>718530087 (OP)
I like fallout 3 more because i owned it on release and was burned out on the engine by all the time i spent playing it by the time FNV released

>>718530087 (OP)
3 has slavery, they probably could have squeezed it into NV as well, hidden away in Westside somewhere. but they got cold feet.

>>718536137
oddly it took me several attempts to get into F3 at first.
when i was younger i was used to rather linear and scripted games like CoD, NfS, GTA and shit and had this thing with being overwhelmed by all the freedoms offered by generally sandboxy titles so i just couldn't decide on where to go and what to do, growing bored in the process quickly.
kinda odd, considering i used to love playing morrowind when i was like 12 years old and it was obviously way too mature for me to properly understand the plot and lore to the fullest extent

>>718534909
Nta but Skyrim isn't a sandbox.

>>718530087 (OP)

i recently played tale of two wastelands.

DC area > vegas strip
mojave wasteland > capitol wasteland

i feel like i need to address that because people always try to claim like the entire map of fallout 3 is great/better and its simply not. other than that NV obviously had better guns, gunplay/gameplay, better factions, better writing, better story etc.

fallout 3 had a... unique tone. playing it again it feels more like a sequel to BoS than fallout 1. its charming in its way but unlike NV it doesnt feel at all related to 1&2 in any way other than aesthetics. there are vampires, the necronomicon, whatever the fuck that harold quest was, aliens, giants, the brotherhood are just nice people that save the wasteland with big guns now and the outcasts that wear different armor are the bad guys who are actually the real brotherhood, and of course they set the whole thing on the east coast for absolutely no reason. like they moved the whole game there only to fill it with bastardised versions of the previous games lore/factions anyway. whereas NV despite its myriad branching paths and choices feel like a complete and cohesive story, fallout 3 feels like every quest was written by a different person.

the shallowness of the story really stands out. its a track to move you from set piece to set piece. you can accidentally skip parts of it early on but other than that your experience of the story will be the same in each playthrough and even for each player. the companions are basically mercenaries. they add nothing to the story. at one point even the ghoul and super mutant forced you to die to radiation.

despite all that i'd have to say fallout 3 is an 8/10 on its own merits. as the first game to properly take fallout 3D it did an impressive job even though a lot of the soul was lost in translation. and it is fun, most importantly. NV is of course a 9/10

>>718530087 (OP)
So much mythmaking about this game. Is it better than FO3? True. But Bethesda wasn't an evil meddling company that prevented Obsidian from realizing their concept. It's just that the studio can't code. As was shown in their later projects. Awoved is a piece of trash, and they had the time and money to make that game. Even Outer Worlds, which is better, is janky as hell. What makes FONV good
>It follows the originals
It's a true sequel to the second game
>It's more creative
FO3 limits itself. Bethesda seems to be making a sequel to Future Shock with a Fallout setting. FONV is what the original Fallout was. But from Bethesda's engine

The weapons aren't more realistic, the NPCs are the same, the game is the same. It just benefited from engine improvements. And a stronger creative team

>>718538509
try the mod "rebuild the capital"
it's basically a state building endeavour once you've finished broken steel in favor of the brotherhood.
a great mod that adds tons of lore and quests, eventually you basically transform the DC wasteland into a proper small country

>>718530087 (OP)
>combat mechanics
3 and NV have EXACTLY the same gameplay. It's identical.
3 has a better world that's more fun to explore, so it's better. Deserts suck.

>>718539697
>green metros are better....because...just because
ZZZzz

>>718539697
FO3 has a slightly better map because it's almost 1:1 scale of Washington. FNV benefits from improved cell loadings and a greater variety of biomes. So I'll go with FNV because it has better cities. I think FO3 only has one city and hardly anyone living in it.

>>718538985
it's a shame they never got together under microsoft and have obsidian do another "spin-off" but i bet at that point they were already cooked with most if not all those responsible for NV's greatness either having left, some maybe even on bad terms or simply having lost their mojo, considering the mediocre slop they've been releasing throughout the years ever since.
NV really was lightning in a bottle and should've actually failed, either because they might've released it in a disruptively unfinished state or because the writing might've been boring and shit.
yet still they somehow managed to pull it off that one time

New Vegas is the best 3D Fallout but thats not really that high of a praise. It just shows that Bethesda is shit at making good games and stories and Obsidian wiped the floor with them even with how little time they had to turn Fallout 3 into something good.

>>718540304
FO3 was impressive for attempting to make isometric gameplay in full 3D. They even translated the turn-based mechanics of the original game. The game only fails in being a little shallow, of course, but targeting consoles was the problem in the first place. Consoles have always been too weak for ambitious projects. It's better to have a janky but fully realized game, like the Pyranha Bytes games, or better yet, something like Minecraft (the best-selling game of all time, btw), than the short-term gains of console games. I don't see Obsidian coming up with a concept like that from scratch.

>>718540304
that's all there is to it, wasted potential. with no change in sight.
they had a slight wake-up call with starfield which is basically a reskinned fallout title and most people had to outright admit the emperor was naked without the fallout brand, but is that enough to force them to change?
most likely not, since their shit is still way too successful with the mainstream

>>718540643
The problem with Starfield is the shareholders and Bethesda's chicken-headed development style. They are good at coming up with concepts but don't know how to flesh them out. Morrowind was a surprise because Bethesda held back on its bad habits. Daggerfall was huge and a very ambitious game for its own good, and it's not playable.

I’m replaying DUST today :)

>>718540957
haven't played it yet and i'm not sure whether simply watching some fag on youtube play it wouldn't be the better choice

>>718540957
You know, that game shares a lot of praise and infamy somewhat like how Undertale was taken in on here, but then pointed out for being fur-stuff. That said, DUST seemed to have some actual polish.

>>718541020
I play it modded so the combat is easier desu. I just like experiencing bad end version of NV with a hateboner for some of the NCR (don’t get me wrong I like the NCR but it’s cool seeing an even more incompetent and dickish version of them). There’s a good video series about DUST on youtube that’s worth watching but it’s also really fun to experience everything for yourself

>>718530087 (OP)
>better weapons and combat mechanics
If by "better", you mean shit, then I concur. Even your phrasing, calling it "drastically" better (even though the only difference is the way damage reduction is calculated and that guns have working ironsights) is an enormous, copium-fueled exaggeration.

It's not terrible by any means, but to say that it is "better" than Fallout 3 because of mechanics? And the combat mechanics, no less? Son, Far Cry 2, which was contemporary with these titles, had superior "combat mechanics". Halo 3 had better "combat mechanics". This isn't even up for debate or discussion- it was regarded as being a lackluster FPS game then, and it still is to this day.

The only argument you could conceivably make is that New Vegas beats Fallout 3 in terms of story, and even that is a stretch.

>muh courier
>muh no backstory
>muh RP

More like,
>muh no internal conflict whatsoever

But that, at least, is worthy of some debate. You're taking the most autistic position possible, and it's not looking good for you, chief. Try it again.

>>718541380
Far cry 2 goes hard when you mod off the HUD and malaria shit

>>718541380
>reddit spacing
>muh
>muh
>muh
NTA, but go back to 2011 /v/ and rot there.

>>718541380
tldr?

>>718541453
>muh "reddit spacing"
>muh no substantive argument
>muh no contribution to the thread whatsoever

I am that anon, and I accept your concession.

I don’t get what makes a good fps game.. like does it need movement abilities or something

>>718540895
>Daggerfall
people tend to forget bethesda was famous for doing those algorithmically-generated slop gameworlds decades before AI came along.
i never played the first ones but from what i gather they're not all that good in several aspects, not least in the lore department, which forced them to elaborately explain away whatever the fuck happened there in the subsequent titles before deciding to selectively throw established facts into the shitter completely with oblivion and more famously skyrim.
meaning apparently the only truly "good" TES title is morrowind.
thank god there's mods like tamriel rebuilt with people trying to recreate a more lore friendly version of it all

>>718541579
>muh muh muh
>B-B-BUT-
>NOOOOOOOOOO
>le
this is you.

>>718532849
Beat all of these, and no.

>>718541621
imo a good fps has you managing your resources (health, armor, ammo) and has you refilling those resources with carefully placed pickups and secrets
but I don't really like FPS games and I'm an old fashioned gamer so don't listen to me

I hate fallout idk why im in this thread

New Vegas is mostly an overall better game, which makes sense as it was basically an expansion pack built on the back of another game. The only thing objectively better in 3 was is the setting. DC was simply a better setting.

>only one gigachad fo3 pic
Are the pajeets sleeping or something?

>>718541425
>Far cry 2
man this shit went hard as fuck around the time of its release but after trying to get into it anew 5-10 years later i gotta admit it aged rather badly.
the obviously interesting overall plot is delivered by doing shitass generic jobs for boring mercenaries, traversing the world is a chore with enemy checkpoints respawning every couple of minutes, the gameworld is not actually open yet, you can't really climb any mountain you see in the distance.

it was cool for its technical and gameplay aspects but overall 3 was the true pinnacle of the series, even then it came insanely close to being fun mechanically but rather dull presentation-wise hadn't the included vaas relatively late into the development.

>>718541380
Yeah, those anons are going crazy in the pro-FNV posts. The game is better than FO3, but most of the criticism just piles up to nitpicks at best. Also, the best game, just in terms of gameplay mechanics, is Stalker. There was nothing like Stalker at that time.

>>718542121
here you go

>>718542473
> Best gameplay in the series
> It's an online-only game
Zenimax sucks

>>718531330
Isn’t that the meme you latched onto because you got mad that you couldn’t say how 3 was a good game?

>>718531386
>Hopefully the tv show takes a massive SHIT on the messages of New Vegas
Only a kike would be this petty and vitriolic. Not to mention the core messages of NV are universal.

>>718542307
I could not finish any far cry game ngl

>>718530087 (OP)
3 is a game that the people that play it don’t really give a shit about. 90% of the discourse is just people saying how it’s either good or better than NV but the second they have to say why it just ends in them going apeshit and cry tranny for hours. They’re usually either contrarians, corporate drones, or some schizo that’s been doing it for years.

>>718535136
>the better games are actually worse, but the shittiest game amongst these is actually the best
peak tranny contrarianism

>>718542787
some people didn't like the mix of urgently driven plot mixed with an open world where you're free to run around for hours on end.
but it's generally agreed the series got better with every new entry up until 3 and its 80s arcade themed DLC, after that when ubisoft released more of the same with 4 or tried to turn the established formula on its head with primal, the audiences weren't fond of it and the series has been on a steady decline ever since.
while most agree 5 was still enjoyable they managed to shit out peak mediocrity with 6

Fallout 3 is better for it's strengths which is exploration, map design and "epicness".

New Vegas has poor map design and the exploration is nothing great. It's basically a storyfag game, cause all anyone talks about is the factions and their conflict.

>>718531964
>NV
>good anything mechanics

>>718540159
Just imagine, it's been a decade and a half and FONV is still arguably the best WRPGs since then. It truly feels like the real, genuine talent necessary to make something as good is either too splintered and spread across different places that don't allow them to live up to their potential or just isn't there anymore. Either way it's fucking sad.