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Anonymous No.718617596 >>718620138 >>718620721 >>718622335 >>718622494 >>718623345 >>718623913 >>718625962 >>718627459 >>718627910 >>718628952 >>718630430 >>718632650 >>718634870 >>718635289 >>718638037 >>718638148 >>718640814 >>718642229 >>718645363 >>718645384 >>718645436 >>718645465 >>718647853 >>718648017 >>718650698 >>718650870 >>718652498 >>718652882 >>718653204 >>718653730 >>718654015 >>718654076 >>718657996 >>718658006 >>718658060 >>718658183 >>718659839 >>718662361 >>718662819 >>718662874 >>718663154 >>718664223 >>718664581 >>718664718 >>718665760 >>718666290 >>718667176 >>718667549 >>718670057
>one of the best From games
>one of the worst From DLCs
Anonymous No.718617669 >>718644131
I didn't play the dlc
Anonymous No.718618316 >>718622218 >>718627684 >>718630553 >>718634438 >>718645949 >>718648185 >>718668061
>Hey, that's a cool boss, I wonder how she fits into the story and lore
>uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
Anonymous No.718620138 >>718620306 >>718620573 >>718651013 >>718651097 >>718658532 >>718664835
>>718617596 (OP)
It's literally the best DLC they ever made with the least amount of cut content
Anonymous No.718620306 >>718620546 >>718620657 >>718627769 >>718629332 >>718637893
>>718620138
>huge open areas
>shitty bosses that don't fit anywhere
>finger ruins
>Wickermen
I fucking wish it had more cut content.
Anonymous No.718620546 >>718620694
>>718620306
>MUH LORE SAYS
None care faggot, people play these game to have their own Berserk adventure and fight flashy bosses.
The DLC delivered that to a tee.
If you want even more then you can also play Nightreign.
Anonymous No.718620573 >>718620657
>>718620138
>least amount of cut content
they should have cut all the big empty areas
Anonymous No.718620657 >>718621036 >>718621256 >>718621374 >>718630278
>>718620306
>>718620573
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LE OPEN AREAS
Anonymous No.718620694
>>718620546
Shut up, ESL.
Anonymous No.718620721 >>718620824
>>718617596 (OP)
>unlocks by the very end of the game
Can't wait to never touch this shit ever again when replaying ER.
Anonymous No.718620824
>>718620721
But anon, Radahn and Mohg are literally early game bosses.
Anonymous No.718620896 >>718621293 >>718622432
ITT: ADHD aspies buckbroken by the scooby-doo fragments
Anonymous No.718621007
I bought the dlc a few days ago after finishing ER years ago and it's not holding my attention at all. I had way more fun in wu chang
Anonymous No.718621036
>>718620657
obviously not the same. the empty parts are just flat, going through them doesn't lead to any unique experiences, and they're just tedious, not some grand undertaking.
Anonymous No.718621229
Please someone post the edit of Limgrave screenshot with bazillion bosses in every fucking inch of the screenshot
This will soothe the ADHD retards and their empty fields
Anonymous No.718621256
>>718620657
>make forest
>Ctrl+c/Ctrl+v trees randomly
>Ctrl+c/Ctrl+v wolves randomly
>don't bother with loot
>spawn one Wickerman, because why not
Here's your cool area to explore, kuso gaij-, I mean, white man.
Anonymous No.718621293
>>718620896
Anonymous No.718621374
>>718620657
Playing an open turd electronic toy hardly qualifies as climbing a mountain just because there is a videogame mountain.
Anonymous No.718621391 >>718621539 >>718621716 >>718667743
I don't think Ivory King can ever be surpassed
Anonymous No.718621518
>finger ruins
>abysmal woods
>flaming faggots everywhere
The bears and ghost dragon fights were cool though
Anonymous No.718621539 >>718621804 >>718621848
>>718621391
You.mean the boss, or the big shitty icefield DLC? Either way, they're both surpassed by The Old Hunters
Anonymous No.718621716 >>718621848 >>718628873
>>718621391
>dark souls 2 content
>good
Anonymous No.718621804 >>718622003 >>718632173
>>718621539
>5 bosses
>only 2 decent ones
LOL
Anonymous No.718621848
>>718621539
>>718621716
I mean in terms of being the worst dlc, i'm not praising the stupid snowstorm, please.
Anonymous No.718622003 >>718622146
>>718621804
>muh bosses
Unlike SotE, OH had areas that were packed with things to find and just fun to explore.
Anonymous No.718622065 >>718622272 >>718622718 >>718622815 >>718627762 >>718628962 >>718630685 >>718647104 >>718653540
one of the 2 new classes in Tarnished Edition
pretty nice stats spread, and sweet armor too
Anonymous No.718622146 >>718622379 >>718632226
>>718622003
>OH had areas that were packed with things to find
Oh yeah, like another weapon that is shittier than the saw cleaver
riveting adventure
Anonymous No.718622218 >>718631172
>>718618316
only faggots care about story or lore in fromsoft games. Just make cool bosses.
Anonymous No.718622272 >>718622464
>>718622065
hngh are we getting this backported to other platforms
Anonymous No.718622335
>>718617596 (OP)
TRUTH
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Anonymous No.718622379
>>718622146
Oh, so you just never played it lmao
Makes sense, no one in their right mind would ever talk shit about B or OH on /v/. Unless they're a seething PS4less brown poorfag lol
Anonymous No.718622432
>>718620896
>fromdrone defends bad game design
Yup, it's a cult.
Anonymous No.718622464 >>718622718 >>718622928 >>718630897 >>718653540
>>718622272
yes they already said the tarnished edition new content would release on all platforms as soon as it releases on switch 2
no one knows if it's gonna be paid or free though, probably a 5-10 bucks dlc, because why the fuck not
Anonymous No.718622494 >>718622732 >>718628065 >>718647680
>>718617596 (OP)
The rollslop insult got to them finally. They made a DLC with no rolling and the boss fights sucked becuase of it. Beautiful though.
Anonymous No.718622631
I played the dlc after playing the base game a few months ago and it really feels like the B-team worked on the dlc because something about it was not clicking with me in holding my interest.
Anonymous No.718622718 >>718622815 >>718629080 >>718630790 >>718647104 >>718653540
>>718622065
>>718622464
i need those new armors bad
there's a 4th armor we haven't seen yet
Anonymous No.718622732 >>718622790
>>718622494
>They made a DLC with no rolling
thats totally sick that you exist in some alternative reality. do they still sell those sour disney popsicles in your timeline?
Anonymous No.718622790 >>718622861 >>718628504 >>718631170 >>718641970 >>718642273 >>718644001
>>718622732
Huh?
Anonymous No.718622815 >>718641835
>>718622718
>>718622065
>allowing to start in heavy armor set
Lmao, adding a crutch for nintenbabies
Anonymous No.718622861
>>718622790
>i only figured it out for elden ring DLC that means the elden ring DLC invented it
Boring conversation, yawn
Anonymous No.718622928 >>718623078
>>718622464
>no one knows if it's gonna be paid or free though
cmon
Anonymous No.718623078
>>718622928
yes and now you can read the rest of my sentence you fucking tard
Anonymous No.718623345 >>718638679
>>718617596 (OP)
I thought the final boss was the only controversial thing about it. Are their people that honestly like the main game but not the DLC? It felt like more Elden Ring, but with a tighter more vertical world map
Anonymous No.718623913 >>718627897 >>718628718 >>718634574 >>718668183
>>718617596 (OP)
Gameplay wise I liked the few big changes it brought, though I think the deflect system should have been baked in from the get go. I got all the way to Radahn before backtracking back to the the first field and finding that Tear. The Lion and Messmer are much better fights with that available while I found them frustrating but ultimately manageable. Relying on just the default toolset, I found Rellana and Midra the most fun. Bayle is a downright bad bossfight, I don't care about roleplaying Ishmael.

Story wise it was kind of a mess, which is typical of Fromsoft DLCs but with the base game being a much more sensible and solid bunch of characters, it did make it kind of disappointing to go back to the sort of aimless nonsense Fromsoft usually dishes out. The Crusader stuff was all solid, Messmer and the Black Keep and the background for Marika was definitely the highlight of the game, but I found Miquella and his companions to be very poorly done.
Anonymous No.718625962
>>718617596 (OP)
bump
Anonymous No.718627459
>>718617596 (OP)
Skill issue.
Anonymous No.718627684 >>718630223 >>718632798 >>718650964 >>718663113
>>718618316
The ancient Rauh civilization cultivated flowing water and stale water as ways to promote life, as seen on the many aqueducts in the ruins. The Hornsent continued to preserve this practice but once Marika purged them the stale water turned into dangerous scarlet rot, and one of the victims of said purge found herself as the vessel of that Outer God after traveling to the ruins.
Anonymous No.718627762
>>718622065
>pay2fashion in a Fromsoft title
Grim.
Anonymous No.718627769 >>718628053 >>718634423
>>718620306
>plebeian doesn't appreciate negative space
Anonymous No.718627897
>>718623913
>deflect system should have been baked in from the get go
If you make that a base mechanic you have to design the entire game, every single combat encounter around it. And by that I mean eliminating all the RPG character stat dependent mechanics because they don't matter anymore, the deflect is that powerful.
Anonymous No.718627910
>>718617596 (OP)
The dlc was good wish they made another one instead of that spin off game
Anonymous No.718627973 >>718629197
If it weren’t for the scadu fragments it would be really fuckin good. Even with the scadu fragments it’s still pretty good
Anonymous No.718628053 >>718628451
>>718627769
>plebeian
>posts FOMO cartoon
lol
Anonymous No.718628065 >>718628504
>>718622494
You can still roll, it's just harder and requires a good dex build.
Anonymous No.718628451
>>718628053
>thinks any popular anime is fomo
Spoken like a full blown plebeian pseud.
Anonymous No.718628456 >>718628618 >>718631224 >>718641325
The DLC has a bunch of cool ideas. The Shadow Keep being a multi-entrance legacy dungeon is an amazing idea, Rauh is basically a region sized legacy dungeon, some of the interconnections between the areas are genuinely cool and feel like a return to their early titles.

Unfortunately, it's also a vastly unfinished mess. Basically the entire southern portion of the DLC is empty as fuck, Charo's Grave in particular may be the most pitiful cut content zone Fromsoft has ever done. Even some more or less finished areas are pitiful, Midra's mansion is a straight line with a bunch of generic enemies which stings very badly because a haunted mansion done by fromsoft should be amazing by all accounts.

Everything related to Marika is good, but Miquella, de-facto posterboy of the DLC, is its biggest weakness and the promised chungus is possibly their worst final DLC boss thematically, mechanically and aesthetically. New NPCs are all great, hovewer, and Leda's fight wraps up the DLC better than the dogshit final battle does.

The new weapon types are a mixed bag. Light greatsword is one of their best movesets. New spells are mostly genuinely cool. But the vast majority of the new gear is underwhelming mechanically, particularly the boss weapons which have less thought put into them than in any of the previous fromsoft DLCs. Entire new classes are dogshit, like perfume bottles and beast claws. Smithscript weapons are all terrible, the only good thrown weapon are actually the claws with a thrown R2.

I honestly had more fun in Lies of P's Overture.
Anonymous No.718628467 >>718633009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpq2fUk56Mo
Anonymous No.718628504 >>718628686 >>718642273 >>718655373
>>718628065
With the non stop anime attacks I just found I couldn't, not like in the main game.
Lots complained the game was too hard, I didn't find that. I just found it wasn't fun without the boss ever giving the back in the back and forth fights that defined fromsofts other bosses.
>>718622790
Kek, this Anon gets it
Anonymous No.718628607
>Everything to do with Messmer, Marika, the Hornsent, etc.
Great.
>Everything to do with Miquella
Bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uT8wGtB3yQ
Anonymous No.718628618
>>718628456
They probably tried to do the stealth inside the mansion but it didn't work.
Anonymous No.718628686 >>718628890
>>718628504
You can just use a shield if you suck at rolling.
Anonymous No.718628718 >>718665959
>>718623913
I like cute MessmerXRellana artwork.
Anonymous No.718628873
>>718621716
seethe
Anonymous No.718628890 >>718637681
>>718628686
I don't think you can, I think you have too. Which was the entire point of my post... Why I specifically said this Anon gets it.
Anonymous No.718628952
>>718617596 (OP)
everything about this dlc is amazing except for the final boss
Anonymous No.718628962 >>718658667
>>718622065
i want the white torrent
Anonymous No.718629080
>>718622718
>Milady starting weapon
give it here
Anonymous No.718629197 >>718630124
>>718627973
the fragments are such a nonissue, you don't need a single one until like halfway into the boss lineup and by then you'll have found plenty just from required progression
/v/ makes it sound like you have to search every pixel of every area just to stand a chance against the first basic enemies, which maybe they do, but if you're not doing the DLC super early then it's not that important
Anonymous No.718629332 >>718630350
>>718620306
On replays I just rush messmer cause he’s actually a good boss and then nope out
Anonymous No.718630124 >>718630973
>>718629197
they should have dropped from bosses
Anonymous No.718630223 >>718637773
>>718627684
Myrmidon of loss tier shit
Anonymous No.718630278
>>718620657
>you ain't heard of a nigga climbing a tree
They do it all the time, one with their cousins althougheverbeit
Anonymous No.718630319
When is this DLC gonna drop to 15 bucks or less, I'm not paying 30 dollars for a DLC most people feel meh about
Anonymous No.718630350 >>718631542
>>718629332
Why do you think the bosses are bad?
Anonymous No.718630430 >>718630827 >>718651028
>>718617596 (OP)
>final boss is a bit too hard
>this means the DLC that was 90% outstanding is bad
Anonymous No.718630553
>>718618316
History is cyclical.
She is similar to Malenia, a failed predecessor. Its not coincidental that you have to kill her to burn the seal around the Hornsent Tower. Its like how most players fought Malenia before they went to the DLC and how she was a prerequisite for Miquella's plans in general.
Anonymous No.718630685
>>718622065
I don't really see the point in these starter classes because they're just booster seats towards whatever final build you're going for anyways.
The Armor is fine, but if its not a weird set up, you'll be able to get it within an hour or two of starting the game.
Anonymous No.718630790
>>718622718
>starter milady
The only good part of the Tarnished Edition.
Anonymous No.718630827
>>718630430
Chadahn exposed this board as the absolute shitters they are
I think it’s funny how roll-sloppers bitched about souls games turning into roll simulator, yet they insisted on playing elden ring rollslop mode only, literally stockholm syndrome rape victims
When Elden Ring gives you many more tools to deal with bosses
Anonymous No.718630897 >>718632396
>>718622464
Why the fuck is there a filthy spaniard in my elden ring
Anonymous No.718630973 >>718631374
>>718630124
Them not dropping from Bosses is the good part, because you can stock up on skibbidies as you need if you're walled off on a boss just from exploring and learning that for example, the pot enemies usually will drop one.
Anonymous No.718631046 >>718631421
So what exactly is being added or changed in this Tarnished edition?
Anonymous No.718631170 >>718642273 >>718655373
>>718622790
Based blockchad
Anonymous No.718631172
>>718622218
>Just make cool bosses.
How about some uhhhh level design?
Anonymous No.718631224 >>718631323
>>718628456
Perfume bottles are mostly for PVP, where they're pretty good.
The Smithscript Hammer and Shield are good. The spear is fucked because Ice Spear and Spectral Lance are two S-tier weapon arts and you really can't compete with that. The Daggers are lmao tier.
Anonymous No.718631323 >>718631480
>>718631224
>Perfume bottles are mostly for PVP, where they're pretty good.
nah they are not, they are terrible in pvp beyond griefing noobs at level 20 with madness perfume unfortunately
Anonymous No.718631374
>>718630973
Having it drop from bosses would provide a clear(er) progression pattern and would avoid the current problem where you can enter a fight with either far more or far less skibidis than you need resulting a very imbalanced battle in either direction. I get the idea behind the system but it is just not implemented well and makes replays a massive slog.

>the pot enemies usually will drop one.
That was stupid as fuck
Anonymous No.718631421 >>718631545
>>718631046
2 new classes, one with milady as starter weapon most notably
4 new armor sets (3 have been posted earlier in the thread, the 2 new classes and the mirrah looking set from DS3, the last one is still unknown)
And also cosmetic options for torrent, for instance a clean white version of Torrent)
And lastly I read that there would also be a few new weapons and ashes of war, but no visuals yet
Will be released for all platforms once it releases on Switch 2
Anonymous No.718631480 >>718631534
>>718631323
The spark one is good for zoning and getting space
Anonymous No.718631534 >>718632737
>>718631480
It's not. The damage is laughable, the poise damage doesn't exist.
Anonymous No.718631542 >>718631653 >>718635032
>>718630350
Design and reward
Everyone bitches about Radahn but putrescent knight for except is some of froms worst work. Why go through that leg of the map for jack shit unfun cringe
Anonymous No.718631545
>>718631421
Thanks for the qrd.
Anonymous No.718631653 >>718634157 >>718635032
>>718631542
I like that skeleton faggot
Anonymous No.718632173
>>718621804
There is 2 good boss in 3 DLCs for DS2, bro. Glass houses.
Anonymous No.718632226
>>718622146
Yes, it needed a shitty ice field with nothing in it to really cap it off.
Anonymous No.718632396
>>718630897
Holy newfag. Elden Ring really is baby's first Souls game
Anonymous No.718632650
>>718617596 (OP)
The dlc was fantastic
Anonymous No.718632737 >>718654683
>>718631534
The damage is low, but the cast time is almost instant and people will still roll or burn a flask on the chip damage
Anonymous No.718632798
>>718627684
This is made up
Anonymous No.718633009
>>718628467
>now, my blade. Watch closely.
KINO
ABSOLUTELY PURE CINEMATIC KINO
Anonymous No.718634104
SotE was great though. I loved the backhand blades, smithscript daggers, and claws of night. Abyssal Woods had amazing atmosphere as well.
Anonymous No.718634157
>>718631653
Shit taste I’m afraid
Anonymous No.718634423
>>718627769
>lowly redditren poster calling anyone else a pleb
Anonymous No.718634438 >>718634612 >>718654916 >>718668201
>>718618316
It's pretty straightforward. She betrayed the Hornsent and is trusted to guard the sealing tree. A land that draws all manner of death is paradise for the Scarlet Rot. We are shown Marika's forces ignoring her as they carry out the purge.
We don't need to know the details.
She played a part in the Scarlet Rot becoming what it is as opposed to the more benevolent force of rot. Hard to say how much.
The DLC strongly hinted that the banishment is what created the Outer Gods and vindicated a lot of the anti LOVECRAFTIAN MYTHOS people. The Formless Mother was discovered in the corpse of an ancestor, too.
They are Outer because they are associated with natural forces that Marika knowingly or unknowingly banned, not because they are space aliens. No surprise that most things explicitly called Outer Gods are closely related to death and destruction.
As pointed by Goldmask, you can't have a total order and things outside the order. It's a contradiction that either Marika never saw, never cared about, or intentionally placed.
Anonymous No.718634574
>>718623913
>pic related
It should be the other way around to be lore accurate.
Anonymous No.718634612 >>718634843 >>718635310
>>718634438
> DLC strongly hinted
Absolutely nothing in the dlc makes sense or matters or confirms anything.
Lore spergs… kek
Anonymous No.718634843 >>718635104 >>718669369
>>718634612
I don't know, Ive seen some shit. Vidyavaati will show some detail that ties it all together. Im always 50/50 on Miyazaki being a genius or the birthday paradox making schizos of us all.
Anonymous No.718634870 >>718635267 >>718658401
>>718617596 (OP)
>Loved Elden Ring
>Played it multiple times for several hundred hours
>DLC gets announced
>"OMG I can't wait!!!"
>Buy it on day one
>Start playing
>It's just more of the same and not as fun
Anonymous No.718635032 >>718637956 >>718640181
>>718631542
>>718631653
Out of all the bosses Im surprised you singled him out. I hated most of them but found him on the better side.
Anonymous No.718635104 >>718635316
>>718634843
Here’s the actual story of Elden ring:
>they said I couldn’t be Elden lord
>so I killed them
>fin
Anonymous No.718635267 >>718635427 >>718635713
>>718634870
It had its highs and lows. Pottery dungeons were awesome. Bosses and Beastial Knights were not. I feel you.
Anonymous No.718635289
>>718617596 (OP)
DLC took so long to come out I didn't care anymore when it did.
Anonymous No.718635310
>>718634612
>Absolutely nothing in the dlc makes sense or matters or confirms anything.
Not true. It confirmed Godwynkeks were totally wrong.
Anonymous No.718635316 >>718635965
>>718635104
Needs more Futas, otherwise absolute cinema.
Anonymous No.718635427 >>718635593
>>718635267
That blue dungeon with all the jars was fun.
Anonymous No.718635593
>>718635427
I played it in the middle of a lightning storm. Most fun Ive had in a fromsoft game.
Anonymous No.718635713 >>718635823
>>718635267
you don't need to reply to *every* complaint with "no, actually the opposite"
Anonymous No.718635823
>>718635713
That's not what he did, though. He acknowledged the good and the bad.
Anonymous No.718635965
>>718635316
Elden Ring's story only makes sense if Empyreans are futas. Actual futas, not trannies.
Anonymous No.718637681 >>718638023
>>718628890
>has skill issue
>blames game instead
A tale as old as time.
Anonymous No.718637773
>>718630223
>Myrmidon of loss
His loyalty to Zanzibart costed him everything I cry everytime.
Anonymous No.718637893 >>718667545
>>718620306
The level design in SotE is amazing and mogs the base game
Anonymous No.718637956 >>718638253 >>718638536 >>718668471
>>718635032
I'd definitely agree that Putrescent Knight is a low point of the DLC boss roster. The level and overworld leading up to him is a whole lot of fucking nothing, no dungeons, no new enemies, no interesting NPCs, and the level is just a straightforward drop down to the bottom. The boss itself is very much what /v/ thinks every ER boss is like, every attack demands complete respect with one correct response and little to no room for aggression or experimentation. Then you don't even get anything good for beating it. /v/ just doesn't complain about it as much as other bosses because it's not scaled very high and it's out of the way so they don't get walled like with Dancing Lion, Rellana, or Messmer.
Anonymous No.718637963
should I start a new playthrough on Elden Ring? It's the only From game I never finished.

>bought on PS4 at release, got to the point the big city was sand and I fought the old knight guy from the knock-off Nexus from DeS
>friend then gave it to me on Steam when I bought a new PC, got to knock-off Ornstein and Smough.

I did beat the boss at the area that leads to the DLC, but I didn't buy it or anything and dropped the game there.

So, should I play a new game in ER, or should I replay DeS on ps3?
Anonymous No.718638023 >>718658254
>>718637681
I just said I didnt have a skill issue. Unlike others I didnt find it difficult. What are you, retarded?
The unfun anime bosses that never quit were too much for me to roll though. Reading this thread about how bad the bosses were, I wasn't alone. Glad you could, just too bad not you's exist I guess?
Anonymous No.718638037
>>718617596 (OP)
True. I tolerated the base game's bosses, because the world was interesting to me.
But the DLC made the world feel bad, and the bosses were worse. So there was nothing for me to enjoy.
Anonymous No.718638104 >>718638439
Playing DS3. Am I missing anything big if I don't engage any of the online content? Mainly playing on my Steam Deck and I travel a lot for work so I don't have reliable internet to play.
I know that there's some spells locked behind some covenants but apparently I can grind the mats needed offline anyway.
Anonymous No.718638148
>>718617596 (OP)
nah it's one of the better ones
Anonymous No.718638253 >>718640628
>>718637956
>Then you don't even get anything good for beating it
You get the perfume fag for the invasion and end fight. Plus some important lore.
I think the idea was that this was the good ending secret, like that bitch area you jump down in bloodborne.
Anonymous No.718638439
>>718638104
There's a bunch of secret spots that are near impossible to find without guides. Nothing important though, I didnt play online my first time. This last time I did and its just neat seeing all the places I missed but nothing boss killing. You'll have something to look forward to if you do a second run.
Anonymous No.718638536 >>718639526
>>718637956
>every attack demands complete respect with one correct response and little to no room for aggression or experimentation.
You really should stick to Roll Souls 3 and Dodgeborne
>Then you don't even get anything good for beating it.
The boss weapon and spell alone are already good, but again, you should stick to games that aren't too hard for your peanut brain
Anonymous No.718638679
>>718623345
Yes, me. The skibidi toilet fragments sucked as a power system but my main problem was the retconning of lore from the base game. Also felt empty
Anonymous No.718639526 >>718642531
>>718638536
>You really should stick to Roll Souls 3 and Dodgeborne
I don't hold such a complaint for any of the other ER or SotE bosses. Putrescent Knight is just low quality DS3-tier shit in this regard. Post some webms of landing attacks mid-chain or avoiding anything it does through positioning or low profiling if it's so feasible. I want to believe it's possible but I couldn't find openings for shit the last time I fought him.
>The boss weapon and spell alone are already good
The boss weapon is useless if you aren't specifically doing a strength arcane build and the better putrescence spell is found in the level on the way down.
Anonymous No.718640181
>>718635032
Because it’s absolute cancer, bad hitbox, runs away from you, egregious player input reading
Anonymous No.718640628
>>718638253
Oh muh lore oh muh npc
What are you, gay?
I kill every npc I meet instantly on sight, especially Millicent, and haven’t read a single item description, ever
You may now kneel
Anonymous No.718640814
>>718617596 (OP)
It is one of the worst thing I've ever played. Everything about it was so unpleasant that it was enough to convince me I'm not buying anything Miyazaki directs going forward unless I see Mathewmatosis himself praise it as the next coming of the video game messiah.
Anonymous No.718640916 >>718641907
Sekiro is better
Anonymous No.718641325
>>718628456
/thread, unironically
Anonymous No.718641835
>>718622815
plot twist: you fat roll
Anonymous No.718641907
>>718640916
Enjoy your AI generated anime.
Anonymous No.718641970 >>718642273 >>718655373
>>718622790
literally the exact setup i used my first time through, lmao
hardest thing in the DLC was getting that lance though, pre-nerf gaius was an absolute bastard
Anonymous No.718642229
>>718617596 (OP)
A friendly reminder that this trash is appropriately rated by eastern players.
Anonymous No.718642273 >>718642423 >>718643079
>>718622790
>>718628504
>>718631170
>>718641970
You said "The rollslop insult got to them finally". Insinuating that rolling was necessary for previous games. But it never was. You could always wear the biggest armor and shield, and poke your way through the game with a spear. You didn't prove that the DLC fights are well designed. In fact, you inadvertently proved that the DLC fights are so bad, they forced you to utilize a build that you never even thought to use before. That you became so desperate, you had no choice but to resort to that build.
Anonymous No.718642423 >>718642637
>>718642273
i'm only the last person you replied to and that was my first post in the thread
i used that setup because i was bad at the game (still not good, but better)
i'm not trying to prove anything, i just replied because we used the exact same gear and i thought it was amusing
Anonymous No.718642531
>>718639526
>Post some webms of landing attacks mid-chain or avoiding anything it does through positioning or low profiling if it's so feasible
Endure, HA or a fucking shield do not exist, I guess? Simply hugging him makes most of his melee attack miss you by the way
>The boss weapon is useless if you aren't specifically doing a strength arcane build
Oh look at that, so it's not useless, it's "useless" because (you) only play one character and probably a shitty build too
>the better putrescence spell is found in the level on the way down.
Different use case entirely retardo, Vortex also does way more damage than that Cannon of Haima variant
Anonymous No.718642637
>>718642423
You're forgiven, Bill.
Anonymous No.718643079 >>718643264 >>718644114
>>718642273
I was the second poster you replied too.
>You said "The rollslop insult got to them finally". Insinuating that rolling was necessary for previous games. But it never was. You could always wear the biggest armor and shield, and poke your way through the game with a spear.
Replace necessary with meant to be played, or if you disagree, fun and viable.
>In fact, you inadvertently proved that the DLC fights are so bad, they forced you to utilize a build that you never even thought to use before. That you became so desperate, you had no choice but to resort to that build.
Yes, this is exactly what I was saying.
Combine the two. I used to roll, it was fun. The DLC I didnt roll, it wasn't fun. It's like they got upset at being called rollslop and made a worse game. This is a joke of course. I dont think the billionaires care about being called rollslop. It's topical though becuase its weird they changed the formula.
Anonymous No.718643264 >>718643852
>>718643079
>It's topical though becuase its weird they changed the formula.
They didn't change the formula, they just iterated it to the point of exhaustion. The problem with SotE is that it's Souls filtered through fifteen years of the same basic mechanics with the urge to always up the ante, to always make a new 'hardest boss' for streamers to basedface over. You could tell that's what they were hoping for with PCR.
Anonymous No.718643852
>>718643264
100% agree, but saying the rollslop insult got to them is funnier. The other anons knew exactly what I was getting at and added to it.
Back to your point, I do wonder where they go from here. After beating the game I watched those professional streamers no hit radahn at level 1, and they were still rolling like it was DS1. It's just that 90% of humans cant do that so???
Anonymous No.718644001 >>718655373
>>718622790
Legend
Anonymous No.718644114 >>718644549
>>718643079
>Replace necessary with meant to be played, or if you disagree, fun and viable.
Shield and spear was always fun and viable. All the way back since the Demon's Souls days. I would know. Because back then I was a big fan of the purple flame shield(It's a big one with high resistances), and winged spear. And of course it was meant to be played that way. The game literally opens with a knight wearing heavy armor, with sword and shield. And half of the starting classes are armored up. Plus, the bosses were a lot slower. So you could really focus on positioning rather than rolling. The one boss that really fucked up the turtle playstyle were the man eaters. A faster boss capable to knocking you down through the shield.

Slow bosses persisted for most of Dark Souls 1 as well. With Artorias and Manus increasing speed in the DLC. But even so, Artorias was still highly readable. And Manus was manageable with a large shield regardless of his speed.

Dark Souls 2 again had a slow speed, and high defensive shields that made it easy to just position, shield, poke, and win.

Dark Souls 3 is the game that made it difficult for tankier players. Being that it's so much faster than the previous games, and the effectiveness of armor is heavily dependent upon hyper armor, so you can't just passively tank everything.

When Elden Ring came out, they rebalanced the game to make shield poking and armor great again. In fact, with guard counters, shielding is more powerful than ever.

So for the most part, the heavy shield build was always viable. Not only that, but other types of builds were too. The idea that it was intended to be rollslop is maybe only true for Dark Souls 3. And perhaps Blooborne, but I never played that one. The DLC is not bad because don't roll to win. It's bad because they designed themselves into a corner. Where most options aren't even fun to learn. Encouraging people to play super meta and safe.
Anonymous No.718644131 >>718647329
>>718617669
Think of it as a "slightly" smaller version of the base game, with all the same positives and negatives, but a few extra negatives added on. Players got too good at the base game, so they upped the difficulty to an absurd degree. Sparking the same "Souls games are too hard" that eventually lead to the devs toning down the final boss in the dlc. Arguably some parts of the difficulty are the result of them taking their entire gameplay style to its logical endpoint....and an absolutely ass camera that can't handle large and spastic targets. We've been doing this shit for decades now and Fromsoft STILL can't make a good camera.
Anonymous No.718644549 >>718645439
>>718644114
You could do anything, but most didnt play with the big sheild in anything but 2. Thats what this DLC reminded me of, it was like going back to 2.
>The DLC is not bad because don't roll to win. It's bad because they designed themselves into a corner. Where most options aren't even fun to learn. Encouraging people to play super meta and safe.
I see us saying the same thing here but yes, your is more technically correct if you want to bring it down to that detail. Still works out the exact same though.
Anonymous No.718645027 >>718645201 >>718645239 >>718649598
Fromsoft was good at making action rpg dungeon crawlers like DeS and DS1, but they're shit at making action games like Sekiro and ER. Combat has never evolved past roll punish. How the fuck are their games so popular now? Is it just because they feel good and are easily accessible to even bad players?
Anonymous No.718645201
>>718645027
>How the fuck are their games so popular now? Is it just because they feel good
You never need to ask this question again. It's always 100% yes. Has a game that didnt nake people feel good ever got popular?
Anonymous No.718645239 >>718645484
>>718645027
Because western AAA devs committed harakiri thanks to committing fully to DEI moviegame slop, and Souls is at the very least easy to understand mechanically compared to, say, even a game inspired by Souls like Nioh 2. That's really what it comes down to.
Anonymous No.718645363
>>718617596 (OP)
SOTE has way better stuff than the base game, overall better designed, just a shame that a lot of the exploration didn't have much reward to it.

Radahn and Gaius are fucking awful though.
Anonymous No.718645384
>>718617596 (OP)
>one of the worst From games
>one of the most mid From DLCs
ftfy
Anonymous No.718645436 >>718667412
>>718617596 (OP)
it's like their best DLC besides Old Hunters wtf are you smoking
fuck I hate this contrarian board but can't stop using it.
Anonymous No.718645439 >>718648972 >>718649598
>>718644549
>You could do anything, but most didnt play with the big sheild in anything but 2
That's where you are wrong. Back before everyone though they were dodge masters and parry kings, the mantra to new players was always "keep your shield up". Not "git gud". People were encouraged to play cautiously and remain vigilant. Hell, you don't even need a big shield for most situations. Just get yourself a nice 100% physical resist shield with 55 or more points of stability, and you can block most things in these games.

There was a great shift after Dark Souls 1 was out for a year or two. After people had time to replay the game. They started putting down their shields on subsequent playthroughs.(Or putting grass crest on their backs to be more precise)

Feeling emboldened by experience, they started practicing dodging more, and getting better at the game that way. So yeah, by the time Dark Souls 3 came out, you had a lot of people far more proficient at dodging and parrying in these games, and they appreciated the faster rolling playstyle Dark Souls 3 offered. But Demon's, Dark 1, and Dark 2 were populated with players who didn't rely on rollslop playstyles all the time, or relied on shields.


>I see us saying the same thing here
Yeah. Similar conclusions, arrived via slightly different paths.
Anonymous No.718645465
>>718617596 (OP)
I liked it, it was fun.
Anonymous No.718645484 >>718645874
>>718645239
Well Nioh 2 is mixing like 3 different genres into one game. You got Souls like elements, diablo style arpg elements, and of course Team Ninja's own Ninja Gaiden DNA in there. I both love and hate it. When you get into a good flow, not even the bosses can stop you, but then you reach a particular enemy that just shits on you for a while. I wouldn't be surprised if most people get skill checked by Karasu Tengu early on.
Anonymous No.718645874 >>718645984
>>718645484
I got filtered for a while by the snake fuck on my first playthough but after that the game was pretty straightforward save for some of the duel bosses skillchecking me, game really just boils down to knowing your resources and options and abusing the fuck out of mechanics
Anonymous No.718645949
>>718618316
absolutely nothing in the dlc makes any sense. it doesnt matter that much.
Anonymous No.718645984 >>718649527
>>718645874
Yatsu-no-Kami or Ure-Onna? Because Kami is big, slow, and pretty easy to bully. Onna is right there with Ubume for fidgety little shits that refuses to sit still and will play keep away until you corner her dumbass.
Anonymous No.718647104
>>718622065
>>718622718
That bascinet looks pretty cool
Anonymous No.718647329 >>718647402
>>718644131
Skill issue
Anonymous No.718647402
>>718647329
So is your life, but no one cares about that.
Anonymous No.718647531 >>718648010
Light Greatswords, my beloved.
Anonymous No.718647680 >>718647739 >>718651114
>>718622494
There's no rollslop. Radahn is a parrybait
Quit projecting your skill issue onto the game you are playing
Anonymous No.718647739
>>718647680
>it's not rollslop its parryslop
ok
Anonymous No.718647853
>>718617596 (OP)
>$40 for 80% reused assets
What DLC even comes close to this trash GLOBALLY, not just from fromsoft?
Anonymous No.718648010 >>718663002 >>718665685
>>718647531
that double slash r2 into r1 is pure sex. Milady is the best weapon in souls series
Anonymous No.718648017 >>718651462
>>718617596 (OP)
>Fromsoftware best game
>Fromsoftware best DLC
FTFY
Only low skill shitters that hates late game Elden Ring and can't play well hate it
Anonymous No.718648185
>>718618316
She absolutely fits into story and lore, like all other elements.
She is a priestess of Rauh that found a Scarlet Rot bud during Messmer's crusade, and became a beacon for the rotten butterflies
Anonymous No.718648604 >>718648969 >>718649342 >>718649921
>side with Leda
>then have to kill Leda
:(
Anonymous No.718648969 >>718649342
>>718648604
Miyazaki is a lazy sack of shit who clearly presents a scenario that calls for the player to take a side and just outright refuses to allow you to. He's such a bitch that if you attack Leda earlier she just phases out of existence so they can have their ebin NPC fight.

It's such half-assed garbage.
Anonymous No.718648972
>>718645439
Quit larping as oldfag, cretin.
Demon's Souls players didn't rely on rolls? Are you fucking retarded? It was the only good playstyle
Anonymous No.718649342
>>718648604
>>718648969
>why won't the paranoid schizophrenic knight see i'm on her side
Anonymous No.718649527 >>718650234
>>718645984
Kami was only a pain until I figured out how to deal with his dark realm, the Onnas are in fact consistently annoying until I just got lightning + sloth for everything that liked moving around constantly
Anonymous No.718649598 >>718656403
>>718645439
>the mantra to new players was always "keep your shield up". Not "git gud".
You weren't there, sperm. Git gud is as old as Demon's Souls western release and the Neogaf threads
>>718645027
Fromsoftware is great at making combat, boss fights and action RPG mechanics, sorry you got filtered
Anonymous No.718649921 >>718650034 >>718650139 >>718650191 >>718650318
>>718648604
even with the excuse of "le paranoid knight obviously would never trust you" I dislike how From is railroading players more and cutting off possible branches in story just because they don't want to bother programming it, siding with Leda or siding with Miquella should be an actual option instead of insisting "but Miquella is le bad" when the option for the player to literally set the world on fire or curse everyone with dung eater AIDS forever exists, there isn't even any base game interaction with Malenia despite this exact scenario and the fucking in-game writing involving her heavily, it's not story or lorefag shit it's just them being lazy about it
Anonymous No.718650034
>>718649921
Nah it isn't lazy. It's careful. Think hard about why there's no Redguns/Balam route in Armored Core 6.
Anonymous No.718650139
>>718649921
did you really expect anything different after they didn't allow you to hinder ranni in any way (like trapping her in the miniature doll) and the only choices you have are to either kiss her shoes or ignore her storyline. most of the story lines in this game end up with
>kill or help an npc
>give or not give an item so a character will live or die afterwads
>choose a cutscene
i'd honestly be shocked if they'd let you make a decision impacting the ending of the base game
Anonymous No.718650191 >>718652148
>>718649921
Miquella is bad
Anonymous No.718650234
>>718649527
It's strange, fighting the yokai is usually the most fun you can have with the game but that damn near all of them have hyper armor until you break their ki means you have to really juggle your aggression and defenses with them. Enemies that are both fast and with long reach are often the worst because of it, like Tate Iboshi or fucking Otakemaru.
Anonymous No.718650318 >>718650420 >>718652084
>>718649921
Since when could you side with Gwyn, Nashandra or Lorian, or Friede, or Laurence, or Genichiro?
God I wish I could slap you over the internet, these games were never about your stupid Bethesda bullshit of factions and the likes
Anonymous No.718650339 >>718650452
Remember all the cope from the miquellafags and retarded self proclaimed "lore" experts on /v/?
Shit was amazing, that alone made the DLC even better.
Anonymous No.718650420 >>718650712
>>718650318
Linking the fire is siding with Gwyn
Anonymous No.718650452 >>718650775
>>718650339
>cope from the miquellafags and retarded self proclaimed "lore" experts on /v/?
what did they say?
Anonymous No.718650698
>>718617596 (OP)
I can tell none of you guys have played the DLC if you still complain about post-nerf Radahn mechanically, but not fucking Gaius somehow
Anonymous No.718650712 >>718650830 >>718652032
>>718650420
At your own expense. From is very careful about these things. The Frenzied Flame ending where you doom the world? You burn to ash. The other ending where Melina lives? She vows to kill you. The Dung Eater ending? You ruin the world, but you become a poofter in the process. That's not a joke.

I'll ask you since anon didn't answer me, why do you think there isn't a route where you side with Balam in Armored Core 6?
Anonymous No.718650775
>>718650452
Miquella wasn't Griffith
Anonymous No.718650830 >>718650907
>>718650712
>Dung Eater ending? You ruin the world
Shut up lorelet
Age of Despair is one of the best endings
Anonymous No.718650870
>>718617596 (OP)
The DLC is good with some good weapons. People that claim its bad come off as bads who got bodied too often and gave up.
Anonymous No.718650907 >>718650958
>>718650830
I'm suddenly reminded of how low iq the lot of you are. Thank god you'll never reproduce.
Anonymous No.718650926
ahahaha he's running away
Anonymous No.718650958
>>718650907
Don't know the lore and don't care. I'm here to kill everything and establish myself as the new king.
Anonymous No.718650964
>>718627684
This, it was pretty obvious from the start, everyting was explained in the game very clearly, if you didn't get it, you are a lowIQ mongrel.
I personally even knew it when I saw the trailer of the first game, that's pretty obvious.
Anonymous No.718651008
Age of Despair literally fixes the world, allows births again and brings to life cursed souls, dipshit
Anonymous No.718651013
>>718620138
>with the least amount of cut content
Nice meme.
Anonymous No.718651028
>>718630430
I mean this is the same logic crybaby faggots use for ME3.
Anonymous No.718651097
>>718620138
Yeah, it's just loads of reused content. Sometimes to ridiculous degrees. Like the gauntlet of dragons to get to the bigger dragon boss. Weren't there enough generic dragon fights in the base game, that we didn't need fuckin 5 of them in a row?
Anonymous No.718651114 >>718651284
>>718647680
That's what I said? The reading comprehension in this thread is abysmal. What ESL nation is active right now.
Anonymous No.718651284
>>718651114
It's only going to get worse. Low iq individuals, people who can't speak English. Tend to your garden.
Anonymous No.718651462 >>718651629
>>718648017
The DLC just should have been a book, with nice pictures and some bits of lore and story.
Anonymous No.718651626 >>718652272 >>718653239 >>718661676
I'm sorry to inform you that the DLC is, dare I say, non-canon.
Anonymous No.718651629
>>718651462
haha based
Anonymous No.718652032 >>718652094
>>718650712
>there is a reason you can't do the bad thing because it fucks you too
ok then why not just have you get fucked by the Miquella ending, the point is actually HAVING it not "being careful"
Anonymous No.718652084
>>718650318
Dark Souls at a bare minimum actually has separate cutscenes for linking and not linking the fire and the DLC actually changes the context for an in-game boss fight which is already doing more than SotE bothered to do
Anonymous No.718652094 >>718652319
>>718652032
Because you can't have the wrong thing be that satisfying, up to and including being able to get it. Vying for godhood = bad. That's why Ranni's ending has its own achievement. Siding with Miquella = bad because nobody should be vying for godhood.
Anonymous No.718652148 >>718652651
>>718650191
are Chaos and Dung Eater not directly bad
Anonymous No.718652272
>>718651626
this, it was written solely by Miyazaki who can't write for shit and just ruined everything GRRM built up
Anonymous No.718652319 >>718652378
>>718652094
>satisfying
just have a choice at the end to side with him where he mind controls you and replace the shitty cutscene reiterating what the game already told you with one where Miquella wins, or just have the same sitting on chair ending with his weird womb tattoo charm shit over your head, massively overthinking it
if the player wants to fuck themselves over because they think they know better why not let them, how is a game emphasizing choice like this suddenly going to tell you "no this is the wrong way"
Anonymous No.718652378 >>718652602
>>718652319
> how is a game emphasizing choice like this suddenly going to tell you "no this is the wrong way"
Elden Ring is not a Bethesda game. It doesn't emphasize choice. It just has choices in it. As for your suggestion, again:
>up to and including being able to get it
Why isn't there a Balam route in AC6?
Anonymous No.718652381 >>718653279
bros im stuck on the elden beast and i wont touch the dlc until i beat him
Anonymous No.718652498
>>718617596 (OP)
Is... is that... FROMSLOP???? OH MY SCIENCE, I heckin' LOVE Fromslop!!! The way bosses only have a couple of moves that I need to memorize and learn when to roll makes me feel like such a l33t gamer!
Anonymous No.718652512 >>718652710 >>718653014
>Age of Despair is actually pretty deep-- ACK
Don't care, eating shit is yuck. Also, he causes distress to my wife Roderika.
Anonymous No.718652602 >>718652681
>>718652378
because they didn't think through making one and wanted the player to specifically go along the path they wanted
ER is not AC6 nor is it a Bethesda game and you point out literally nothing with these comparisons, what it is is an open-world Souls where they dropped the ball on content in the DLC
Anonymous No.718652651 >>718652715
>>718652148
No
Anonymous No.718652681 >>718652790
>>718652602
>because they didn't think through making one and wanted the player to specifically go along the path they wanted
No, it's because Balam is too likable. They are mercenaries who are there for the thrill and to siphon Rubicon dry. From Software are very consistent with how they portray their values, ever since Demon's Souls.
Anonymous No.718652710 >>718652830
>>718652512
The Dung Eater doesn't eat shit
It rips souls out of anuses
Anonymous No.718652715 >>718652864
>>718652651
>set world on fire and kill everyone
>curse everyone with dogshit down to their souls for the rest of eternity
I mean that sounds pretty bad
Anonymous No.718652790 >>718652871
>>718652681
and Ranni isn't too likable? because by all rights her questline shouldn't end with her winning and you going off with her into space it should end with literally everyone including her dead and the game telling you to fuck yourself
Anonymous No.718652830
>>718652710
And how does he do it while keeping the soul and his hands completely clean? Spoiler alert - he can't.
Anonymous No.718652864 >>718652923
>>718652715
>>set world on fire and kill everyone
Returning to the One Great is just one of the many ways to strive for divinity.
>>curse everyone with dogshit down to their souls for the rest of eternity
You know fuck all about lore, no wonder you are a Godwyntard
The Mending Rune of Fell Curse embeds the Fell Curse into the New Order and allows wraiths to be reborn
Anonymous No.718652871 >>718653190
>>718652790
>and Ranni isn't too likable?
She isn't. She had her step-brother murdered for no reason that we can see was good (cue all the lore fags who say they were betrothed or whatever). Not to mention she's a doll, she can't actually be that likable, as you cannot have sex with her.
> because by all rights her questline shouldn't end with her winning
Vying for godhood = bad. Ranni does the exact opposite of vying for godhood, ergo she gets a good ending. That's Elden Ring's whole thing. Godhood is a prison. We're a year out from the dlc, they weren't shy about saying "godhood is bad." You kill Miquella. Says it all.
Anonymous No.718652882
>>718617596 (OP)
Both were mid.
Anonymous No.718652923 >>718653239
>>718652864
what in the fuck
I have not mentioned Godwyn once in this entire thread
Anonymous No.718653014 >>718653125 >>718653339 >>718659121
>>718652512
>>Age of Despair is actually pretty deep
Yes, it's in fact thematically and philologically a successor to the Usurpation of Fire ending, corrupting the Order with a curse that fixes most of the issues with the world
>Don't care,
I care even less about your not wanting to engage with the lore. It's hilarious how something everybody here claims to be meaningless endlessly mindbroke so many
I'll enjoy my lore
Anonymous No.718653125 >>718653223
>>718653014
>Usurpation of Fire
AKA the worst DS3 ending? lmao
Anonymous No.718653190 >>718653339 >>718653738
>>718652871
this still doesn't answer why there can't just be a Miquella bad end anyway where you side with him and get fucked over for it, you're positing a lore interpretation and I'm saying the DLC felt half-baked and like multiple things could've been more thought out
Anonymous No.718653204
>>718617596 (OP)
Honestly the biggest issue with elden ring is the open world if they got rid of that and made it a branching linear world like the previous games it would undoubtedly be the best in the series, but the open world is such a huge downgrade it makes me hate elden ring. Mechanically ER is the best in the series, but the world asside from the legacy dungeons is the worst, I'd much rather have had a larger world that was more like DS3 or DS2 with seamless co-op / invasions than the fuck huge elden ring world with 75% copy and pasted generic dungeons. The DLC had the same issue, to big and too much running past pointless empty space with nothing in it.
Anonymous No.718653223 >>718653387
>>718653125
It's the best ending
Anonymous No.718653239
>>718651626
based and redpilled
>>718652923
these people are unironically either autistic or mentally ill
Anonymous No.718653279 >>718653313
>>718652381
Well, just don't beat it and spare yourself the pain of playing the DLC.
Anonymous No.718653313 >>718653381
>>718653279
It can't be that bad Is it...?
Anonymous No.718653339 >>718653703 >>718653948
>>718653014
You're seeing the forest for the trees. Marika enacting her will upon the world is why the game happens as it does. The Hornsent enacting their will upon the shamans is why Marika eventually had most of them burned to death. The Age of Despair, Fracture, etc. is just another cycle. Someone will rise up and do away with everything all over. What's important is tending to your own.
>>718653190
I'm posting an interpretation supported by their past games.
>Every fleeing man must be caught
>Thy shameless yearning
>Rubbish to one such as I, devoid of all worldly wants
From Software doesn't do "bad" endings, they do endings that "aren't good." Linking the Fire is objectively bad, as it perpetuates an unnatural cycle. But the ending itself is a solemn moment. A supposed "Miquella ending is bad" can't work because it's either too overt, and thus a waste of time, or not overt enough, and people cling to it as the good ending because they're fags. The best thing they could do, that aligns with their values, was not have a Miquella ending.
>up to and including being able to get it
I hope it doesn't sound like I'm talking down to you. I'm just trying to be clear. I have my own misgivings with the dlc, like the dumb flashback after the Radahn fight, but not being able to side with Miquella is 100% on the money for From.
Anonymous No.718653381
>>718653313
Well, I'll just say that I warned you.
Anonymous No.718653387 >>718653825
>>718653223
Ah, yes, the ending where your destiny no longer belongs to you and you're just a puppet for Yuria, "best ending".
>you repopulate the new world with the Firekeeper
End of Fire is the best ending.
Anonymous No.718653496 >>718653716
It's the best DLC because it's built on the best game. Not to mention that it's the real endgame, since the base game has no endgame.
>Best bosses
People complained, but they finally challenge the player. It's endgame after all.
>Best dungeons
Base game dungeons are mediocre (Volcano Manor) to great (Leyndell).
>Lore
It's the only β€œbad” part since it retcons a lot of stuff. It's endgame content sneaking into the main lore. All the β€œnew stuff” could have been implemented in the base game as evergaol and shit. But From won't go there.

It's 9/10, but the price tag is the same as a full game. From needs to go independent now. They're big, but they're not COD big for these kinds of prices and development model.
Anonymous No.718653540
>>718622718
>>718622464
>>718622065
Very kino
I don't think we will be getting new spells but I always wanted the flamethrower move the Fire Knights use. It looks cool.
Anonymous No.718653703 >>718653798
>>718653339
I can't say I completely agree with you but I can at least respect the ultimate conclusion you've laid out. I think inevitably dooming the world for 'the right reasons' and justifying extremism, especially if it still fails or is completely warped even with your input, would be good ground to explore, especially if it's reinforced that all you've done is continue the same cycle Marika perpetuated or the game presented some level of "was it really worth it" to the player. My issues with it do run a lot deeper than just choices for the endings though
Anonymous No.718653716 >>718653983
>>718653496
>It's 9/10, but the price tag is the same as a full game. From needs to go independent now. They're big, but they're not COD big for these kinds of prices and development model.
Sony acquired a 21% stake last year. This was over the conglomerate Kadokawa bought the majority of From Software. From Software will forever be tied to these companies. It's a worrisome future after Miyazaki steps down, so I appreciate the idea of him handing the reins to newer directors. Ishizaki did great on Nightreign. Maybe he'll be the next star.

I used to daydream that Valve could buy From Software and give them complete autonomy. Ah well.
Anonymous No.718653730
>>718617596 (OP)
Anonymous No.718653738
>>718653190
>this still doesn't answer why there can't just be a Miquella bad end anyway where you side with him and get fucked over for it,
Leda says this
The player is animated by Marika's grace, and bound to the Erdtree, unlike all the other who lost grace long ago. He can't accept Miquella's Order.

It's also a bad ending because grace is a negative evil mind controlling power and Miquella wanting to use that would lead to the same mistakes Marika did. The reason Miquella is bad is the same reason why you can't side with Miquella in the first place. Marika also wanted to conquer all the Lands Between and remove Death forever and that went sideways. Miquella just wants to "fix that" by doing a proper Godhood ascension.

Instead, the player can choose different from of Orders, or to refuse Order entirely
Anonymous No.718653798
>>718653703
Preaching to the choir.
Anonymous No.718653825 >>718653917 >>718659861
>>718653387
Nice headcanon, retard. Yuria doesn't even fight back if you are Dark Lord
How about you accept you are a low IQ lorelet who never acrually understood any Souls game story in the first place, like any faggot filtered by SOTE?
Anonymous No.718653917 >>718654012
>>718653825
The entire lore in all of Souls revolves around headcanons, fuckface.
Anonymous No.718653948 >>718654037 >>718654121 >>718659770
>>718653339
>The Hornsent enacting their will upon the shamans is why Marika eventually had most of them burned to death.
Headcanon. Marika had a proficuous mutual alliance with the Hornsent until she banished Godfrey and changed the Golden Order to Golden Order Fundamentalism, which you can easily tell in the Lands Between by the contrast between spiral imagery and cipher imagery, by the Hornsent lamenting Marika's betrayal and with the many implications the Realm of Shadow hadn't been veiled until way after the Carian lineage.
Messmer's crusade wasn't vengeance like you retards assume, it is never described as that, but as an holy war against those without Marika's grace
See? Elden Ring lore is a legitimate IQ filter
Anonymous No.718653983
>>718653716
They think they have a Bethesda cash cow, but Souls is still niche. My Souls friends still prefer to play GOW or something similar. Sony is going to tank this franchise.
Anonymous No.718654012 >>718654101
>>718653917
>No retort
I accept your concession
>Revolves around headcanons
Only if you are too low IQ to understand them, which you clearly are
Anonymous No.718654015
>>718617596 (OP)
>server maintenance for 2 more hours
I can't take this, can I just play anyways?
Anonymous No.718654037 >>718654096
>>718653948
Occam's Razor, lad.
Anonymous No.718654076
>>718617596 (OP)
According to Alyssa Mercante....
Anonymous No.718654096 >>718654237 >>718654359
>>718654037
Nope, learn to read and pay attention.
You can literally pinpoint where exactly in the timeline Marika understands she needs to enact a proper Sacred Ritual, betrays the Hornsent, hides Enir-Ilim and studies Light and the origin of the Elden Ring
Anonymous No.718654101
>>718654012
>p-p-please ch-choose my preferred ending!
Suck my cock
Anonymous No.718654121 >>718654147
>>718653948
The lore is built into the gameplay. That's why there are so many logical gaps.
Anonymous No.718654147
>>718654121
There's no logical gap. Everything is fully explained
Anonymous No.718654237 >>718654357 >>718656816 >>718657061
>>718654096
We can just agree to disagree, I promise. The explanation with the least amount of assumptions is always correct. And
>Marika exacting vengeance upon the Hornsent
has less assumptions than
>Marika and the Hornsent were allied for x amount of time and then Marika betrayed them and it wasn't actually vengeance it was a holy war because despite them being allies Marika needed to murder the Hornsent so she could learn more about the Elden Ring even though they were allies
etc. Last word's yours if you want it.
Anonymous No.718654357 >>718656816
>>718654237
>We can just agree to disagree, I promise.
You can't because his version is an objective truth (lmao) and if you disagree then you're basically retarded. Work on your media literacy, chud :*
Anonymous No.718654359 >>718656816
>>718654096
why would marika hide enir ilim if she wanted to know more about the origin of the elden ring and study light. your posts would make sense to me if the story trailer ritual was after messmer's crusade come to think of it.
Anonymous No.718654683
>>718632737
You have no idea what you're talking about. Perfume bottles have retarded commitment and hilariously slow animation speed given the shit damage they do.
Anonymous No.718654916
>>718634438
>UUUHHH ELDEN RING IS OBVIOUSLY NOT COSMIC BECAUSE THESE ENTITIES THAT SOUND LIKE LOVECRAFTIAN ONES ARE ACTUALLY JUST NATURE SPIRITS, C-CHECKMATE RAYCISTS!
>meanwhile Astel, Metyr, Two Fingers, Three Fingers, Elden Beast, Alabaster Lords, Onyx Lords, Maris, Fallingstar Beast

this meme has been brought to you by the ifunny gang - est your broccoli and don't do drugs!
Anonymous No.718655373
>>718628504
>>718631170
>>718641970
>>718644001
The funny thing is that I didn't even do a greatshield+poke build in reaction to the DLC
I remember a few weeks prior to the DLC release, I did a new character, and told to myself "hey, how about using a shield for once?" because at that point, I had literally never used a shield in a Souls game, and always played it the rollslop way
Turns out I made the best possible choice ever for the DLC, I felt vindicated
God damn did it feel good to 100% negate all the bullshit the DLC could throw at me
Best part is that the DLC rewards you with the absolute best shield+poke STR weapon ever which is the Sword Lance, and also gives you the best looking heavy armor too (Verdigris Set)
Even in the base game, it felt so fucking good to destroy everything in my sight while bosses were utterly powerless and couldn't go through my Fingerprint shield
Even Malenia who kinda negates this build, could do nothing, as I just kept on poking her to infinity
The rollslop was never mandatory, YOU chose the rollslop.
Anonymous No.718656293
Anonymous No.718656403
>>718649598
NTA but what does your picrel has to do with what he said? He said keep your shield up and your pic has to do with reviews comparing the game to Skyrim.
Anonymous No.718656816 >>718657121
>>718654237
You are wrong and nothing in game even remotely hints that your headcanon is correct. Being a common misconception doesn't add validity to it. Marika did not act for vengeance
>>718654359
Because she rejects the White Tower rituals, and seeks ascension by communing with the origin of the Elden Ring. This is why her and Radagon stufies on Casuality and Regression are so important, it bypasses that ritual and communes directly with the origin of Runic power instead of Crucible currents.
The actual Elden Beast appears only by applying Law of Regression for example, reverting it to its primordial form using the light within Erdtree.
>>718654357
No my fault i'm right
I'm one of the top 2% that actually has high enough IQ to understand Elden Ring
Anonymous No.718657061 >>718660047
>>718654237
>>Marika exacting vengeance upon the Hornsent
This is an assumption
>>Marika and the Hornsent were allied for x amount of time and then Marika betrayed them and it wasn't actually vengeance it was a holy war because despite them being allies Marika needed to murder the Hornsent so she could learn more about the Elden Ring even though they were allies
This isn't an assumption, it's literally stated that it's an holy war that has nothing to do with vengeance, and that the Realm of Shadow and the Lands Between had prolific cultural and commercial exchanges, with several customs like the celebrations and type of gear and even with children of Marika interacting.

You are the one doing random baseless assumptions because it's easier than actually understanding the game world

Like when I argues with retard for 2 years that the "faces of Godwyn" were not Deathroot infestation and they are removed and separated from Deathroot itself, only for the DLC to confirm that they are literal cysts planted by Godwyn followers into ancient graves in hopes of them growing
Anonymous No.718657084 >>718657387
Patchnotes where?
Anonymous No.718657121
>>718656816
>I'm one of the top 2% that actually has high enough IQ
>No my fault
Anonymous No.718657387 >>718657420
>>718657084
It's just bug fixes
Anonymous No.718657420
>>718657387
i dont believe it
Anonymous No.718657602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aeQVSgK7EI&list=RD_aeQVSgK7EI&start_radio=1
>THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS
Kino of the highest order
Kino overload when you were already going for a Lord of the Frenzied Flame ending
Literally a death battle between 2 Lords of the Frenzied Flame
Anonymous No.718657996
>>718617596 (OP)
>one of the best From games
Anonymous No.718658006 >>718658042
>>718617596 (OP)
Elden Mid is one of the biggest disappointments I've ever played
Anonymous No.718658042
>>718658006
how far did you make it? the first time i played it i got about 10 hours before dropping it. but i later picked it up again and had a blast.
Anonymous No.718658060
>>718617596 (OP)
How does he keep doing it?
Anonymous No.718658183
>>718617596 (OP)
>>one of the worst From DLCs
it's literally on par with old hunters, you fat fuck.
Anonymous No.718658254
>>718638023
Can we take a moment to appreciate the mental gymnastics this anon goes through when someone calls him out on being bad? It's pretty funny.
Anonymous No.718658401
>>718634870
>its just more of the same
wtf were you expecting?
Anonymous No.718658532 >>718660860 >>718661437
>>718620138
The only boss fight where I spawned npc.
I don't mind dying for 5 hours just to try and kill the boss, but I literally had no clue what the fuck was going on on the screen with explosions everywhere.
Most of the time I didn't even have an idea how I took damage or how I died.

And yes ER is the worst FromSlop title to date.
Anonymous No.718658667
>>718628962
I hope we get some cool horse armor.
Anonymous No.718658707
Fact: If they used all the individual good parts of the DLC to make a standalone semi-linear adventure it would have been the best fromslopper yet.
Anonymous No.718658878 >>718659449 >>718659493
>so legendary game dev miyazaki how will players power up their characters in this dlc? will they gain power from the optional bosses in every corner of the map?
>uhm you like kill all the trash mobs in the game and some of them arbitrarily drop a seed or they'll be randomly hidden behind a rock next to fuck all else and you need all 100 of them because we didn't make any extra to make up for the bullshit system
>also no the bosses certainly don't drop them that'd make too much sense
Anonymous No.718659121
>>718653014
It does none of that.
Anonymous No.718659449 >>718659503 >>718662160
>>718658878
Based Chadyazaki
Anonymous No.718659493 >>718659894
>>718658878
The games are about exploration yes.
Anonymous No.718659503
>>718659449
Miyazaki literally made godlike summons that kill bosses for you main mechanic of ER.
Anonymous No.718659637
I wanna do another ER playthrough but idk what build to make, i feel like I've already done everything.
Doesn't help that in PVP everything except
>60 vigor
>54 strength
>111+ poise
is just kinda shit.
Anonymous No.718659660
BREAKING: Hidetaka Miyazaki, beloved director of the Dark Souls series, has reportedly been arrested by Japanaese police for the crime of making the worst DLC known to man (SOTE)
Police found 300 TB of Souls Women's feet pics in his hard drive.
Anonymous No.718659770 >>718663420
>>718653948
This is all truly overcomplicated headcanon.

Far more likely is that Marika always hated the Hornsent and everything to do with the Crucible and only required a certain amount of strength beforehand to act on it.
Godfrey is aligned with the Crucible, either intentionally or just naturally being born with its 'grace' in a way that left him with a human appearance but heavily empowered with bestial characteristics. He was probably the strongest warlord alive at the time she became a God.
So she neutralized him as a rival through marriage and also appears to have genuinely came to love him.
After that, first she kills her most powerful rival, the Fire Giants who'd even beaten the Dragons once upon a time. Then she turns her attention to the two other major dangers. The Carians and the Hornsent who she hated all along. One is neutralized with Radagon copying his other half's marriage scheme. The other is solved with Marika sending her son on a crusade as she did before.

At some point, Marika banished Godfrey with the intention of secretly inviting him back to reclaim his place when she had the opportunity to do so. This most likely meant that the Elden Beast or Two Fingers were pushing her to get rid of him. They likely shared her dislike of the Crucible, but had no affection for him.
Over time, Marika more and more locked away aspects of the Crucible until there was nothing left of it in common society. Starting with her children with Godfrey who were born with the same condition that the Hornsent aspired to have. Then by banishing Godfrey's Crucible Knights after he was exiled. And by enslaving groups like the Misbegotten who'd made communion with it.
Anonymous No.718659839 >>718659887
>>718617596 (OP)
I liked the DLC. Contrarians need to get a real opinion instead of parroting whatever farms the most engagement.

My only complaint is I wish they added main story endings for Miquella and Melania or SOMETHING to tie the DLC back to the main game after completing it.
Anonymous No.718659861 >>718663351
>>718653825
Why did Miquella abandon his flesh twice?
Anonymous No.718659870
>Good thread going
>Discussing the actual game and all
>Suddenly lore trannies come out of the woodwork
Will those retards ever understand that none gives a fuck about any of this drivel? No one is reading any of that shit
Anonymous No.718659887
>>718659839
I enjoyed the DLC too but most of the big bosses really aren't fun.
Gaius in particular is probably the worst boss in the entire game.
Anonymous No.718659894 >>718660063
>>718659493
the games, yes. the dlc with skibidi fragments turns itself into a far cry style collectathon
Anonymous No.718660047 >>718661286 >>718661997
>>718657061
The DLC has an obvious narrative of Marika coming from a village that was tortured and tormented by the Hornsent like we see in Bonny Village or the various Gaols.
We know that the Hornsent were shoving Shamans into jars together to try and create an Empyrean. And we also know that Marika was at one point just a minor village girl of no renown. Parsimony tells us that she was a successful outcome of this procedure that was capable of using the Divine Gate the Hornsent had built (with more bodies of the Shamans) and connecting to the claimed representatives of the Greater Will (regardless of the GW actually leaving long ago and the Fingers/Elden Beast being liars). Then it is clear she claimed this Godhood for herself alone.
Anonymous No.718660063
>>718659894
Not really, you just find them passively while playing and there's no real reason to worry about maxing them out since they have diminishing returns and don't affect pvp.
If you have terminal minmax brain they're a bit annoying but that's not on the game.
Anonymous No.718660860 >>718661350 >>718661437 >>718662226
>>718658532
You're supposed to summon Igon, it's part of the experience. You're also meant to summon Thiollier and Ansbach to the Needle Knight Leda fight.
Anonymous No.718661286 >>718665482
>>718660047
No, the DLC has the narrative of Marika willingly drawing benefit and not being a victim
The Hornsent needed and helped Marika
Only a Shaman Maiden could enact the rituals of the Ancient Tower culture, and likewise Marika used the Hornsent
https://medium.com/@Mirko_LaMi/the-seduction-and-the-betrayal-of-how-marika-betrayed-the-shamans-to-become-a-god-elden-ring-e8d40ad64355
Anonymous No.718661350
>>718660860
I always try to solo every boss, and I did solo every single boss in every FromSlop title.
But fuck that dragon with explosives and particles everywhere.
Anonymous No.718661437 >>718661567
>>718660860
>>718658532
That's great to hear but you didn't beat the game.
Anonymous No.718661567
>>718661437
Couldn't care less, shit game.
Finished it once and never touched it ever again
Anonymous No.718661676 >>718661806
>>718651626
It's funny that you avatarfag as one of the most ignorant and dogmatic characters in the game while refusing any explanation of the truth.
Anonymous No.718661806
>>718661676
yeah, it is indeed funny that he avatarfags as a fitting representation of his detractors
Anonymous No.718661854 >>718662024 >>718662127
Anonymous No.718661997 >>718662236 >>718665482
>>718660047
>We know that the Hornsent were shoving Shamans into jars together to try and create an Empyrean. And we also know that Marika was at one point just a minor village girl of no renown. Parsimony tells us that she was a successful outcome of this procedure that was capable of using the Divine Gate the Hornsent had built (with more bodies of the Shamans) and connecting to the claimed representatives of the Greater Will (regardless of the GW actually leaving long ago and the Fingers/Elden Beast being liars).

That's not how it works. You are trying to simplify a much deeper story.

The jars are for the invocation rituals and are also consumed by Hornsent warriors
The Divine Gate worked by the sacrifice of melding hornsent, which is why the bodies that form the Divine Gate are all Hornsent.

The Hornsent followed Marika as guide, enacted the proper rituals, allowed her to ascend to Godhood and, much later, Marika betrayed her.
Marika willingly betrayed her shaman village.

Her giving gold to her now empty village was just a futile attempt at atonement after feeling the guilt of what she had done and is literally equated to a confession of guilt or prayer by 2 descriptions.

The meme that the Hornsent fucked around and found out is more lorelet retardation. Marika is fully responsible for what happens and nowhere in Messmer's side justify the crusade with anything but blind religious fundamentalism.

The entire thing would never make sense in the first place, Marika wouldn't take countless years to take vengeance. Marika sacrificed her own village for the purpose of ascension to Godhood because beings that try to ascend to Godhood always end up sacrificing everything and rising on top of a pile of bodies.
Anonymous No.718662024 >>718662139 >>718662171
>>718661854
that's a cute picture of yourself, but this is a video game board lil' bro, you shpuld try this one out instead
>>>/soc/
Anonymous No.718662127 >>718662171
>>718661854
that's a cute picture of yourself, but this is a video game board lil' bro, you should try this one out instead
>>>/soc/
Anonymous No.718662139 >>718662302
>>718662024
Fuck you asshole, pathetic loser. I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.718662160
>>718659449
Easy mode would be objectively better than scadu shit system. Easy mode would be good for the game because there would also be a hard mode which is what i'd prefer.
Anonymous No.718662171
>>718662024
>>718662127
Anonymous No.718662226
>>718660860
No youre not supposed to, the fight is more challenging and interesting without some old retard yelling. Igon is easy mode.
Anonymous No.718662236 >>718662305
>>718661997
Vaati, none of this actually happened. Ots a video game.
Anonymous No.718662302
>>718662139
stay mad, loser :*
Anonymous No.718662305
>>718662236
Video games are real, as is all fiction.
If you can imagine it then it must be possible, video games are just glimpses into other dimensions.
Anonymous No.718662361
>>718617596 (OP)
all the bosses suck ass and are not fun .
Anonymous No.718662819
>>718617596 (OP)
all the bosses kick ass and are peak
Anonymous No.718662874
>>718617596 (OP)
all the bosses are ok and are moderately fun
Anonymous No.718663002 >>718663060 >>718665621
>>718648010
Milady sucks ass for anything other than spamming wing stance or building status while looking like a fag
Cringe maxed
Anonymous No.718663060 >>718663157
>>718663002
Wrong it's also a kino pvp weapon on an optimized str build.
Anonymous No.718663113
>>718627684
But the brown glazing fingers item description says you were touched by your dad?
Anonymous No.718663154 >>718663874
>>718617596 (OP)
>one of the best From games

na
Anonymous No.718663157 >>718663329
>>718663060
How sweaty are you while you use it?
Anonymous No.718663329
>>718663157
Not too much, it's not CTS tier of course but it's pretty easy to do well with still compared to most weapons.
Anonymous No.718663351
>>718659861
He didn't, D faggot
You have been humiliated every time you asked this
Is it a fetish? Do you get your kicks out of Internet humiliation
Anonymous No.718663420 >>718664663
>>718659770
Nope, you are just incredibly ignorant
The game states multiple times that Marika betrayed the Hornsent
Anonymous No.718663874
>>718663154
correct
it's THE best from game
Anonymous No.718664223
>>718617596 (OP)
Rating wise maybe, but I still hate the open world shit. Only beat it twice, speed ran the second time once I realized nothing changes in NG+, and never bothered with the DLC. They also ME3'd most of the endings.
Anonymous No.718664581 >>718664785
>>718617596 (OP)
Besides the last boss being OP, for me it was amazing content. 10/10. Many areas were way cooler than the original game. I fucking love giant architecture.
Anonymous No.718664663
>>718663420
It states that they feel they betrayed her.
Not that she feels like she betrayed them.
Given that she was a Shaman and the Hornsent systematically tortured the Shamans, the link is obvious why she would oppose them.
Anonymous No.718664718 >>718664821
>>718617596 (OP)
Its one of the worst From games tho?
The only worse Souls game they have made is DS2
Anonymous No.718664785 >>718664840
>>718664581
You are a subhuman
Anonymous No.718664821
>>718664718
and dark souls, and dark souls 3, and bloodborne, and demons souls
Anonymous No.718664835 >>718665006
>>718620138
the last boss is literally a reused asset
Anonymous No.718664840
>>718664785
Ok nigger live with your mud huts while I live with beauty.
Anonymous No.718665006 >>718665138
>>718664835
i reused your mom last night
Anonymous No.718665138
>>718665006
oh yeah well i bondburgered yours
Anonymous No.718665482 >>718665573
>>718661997
The Jars are invocation rituals for the Crucible, because it works out in the setting if you smash a bunch of bodies together, you can spontaneously generate a link to original Crucible of all life.
The Godskins do something similar.

You're right that the Divine Gate was made of Hornsent.
It was Enir-Illim that was made of Shaman bodies (also containing Shaman trees). So the bit of the Tower was made of Hornsent but the majority of it was made out of Shaman. There's also the indication that Marika hijacked the Ritual in the Trailer for the DLC, so she might have smashed the Hornsent into their own Gate as retribution.

None of the rest of that is based on anything.
We have zero reason to think that the Hornsent followed her as a spiritual leader, and a lot of reason to think that they didn't. Their religion and what Marika made afterwards have nothing in common. They use spirit channelers, Marika doesn't.

Marika taking a while to get vengeance does make sense because in your scale of 'how dangerous is this group to my nascent Erdtree', the Fire Giants that can burn it to the ground on a whim, is at the peak, and the Hornsent and Carians are at a lower level.
Especially if Marika basically neutered and decapitated them when she turned her ascendancy ritual into a bloodbath.
>>718661286
You're right that the Hornsent needed a Shaman Empyrean to ascend to get their God.
But there's no reason to think that Marika was a willing participant.
Instead we see that she was almost certainly one of many who was tortured and shoved in a jar by the Hornsent Potentates and that prior to being a successful product, she was unremarkable (due to a lack of anything saying otherwise).
Anonymous No.718665573 >>718665997 >>718666468
>>718665482
How did the entire ritual go down according to you? Why are there so many bodies of hornsent in enir-ilim?
Anonymous No.718665621 >>718665946
>>718663002
It half sucks because the poise damage is dogshit.
It is half great because the moveset is fantastic.
That makes it a balanced weapon, and one that you have fun using because it doesn't dominate the game. Also you can ameliorate the shitty poise damage with Lion's Claw without much trouble.
Anonymous No.718665685
>>718648010
Milady is great right up until you run into a heavy poise enemy like a knight. Having no way to stagger big enemies outside of your weapon skill is cancer.
Anonymous No.718665760
>>718617596 (OP)
Im hoping they drop a new DLC in a few months as a surprise
Anonymous No.718665946 >>718666728
>>718665621
Why in the hell would you use the extremely slow and expensive lions claw on milady and not impaling thrust or wing stance?
Anonymous No.718665959
>>718628718
Messier would be better with two eyes rather than one.
Anonymous No.718665997
>>718665573
The Hornsent build a giant tower with the bodies of Shaman used as 'bricks' in the construction.
This, by how the magic in the setting works, actually makes the tower divine and connected to real godlike power, via the Crucible of all life. Which the Hornsent already knew about and worshipped.
They go further and build a gateway that is able to really connect to the divine, in this case going beyond the Crucible and attracting the attention of the Two Fingers and their control over the Order left behind by the Greater Will. This gateway may or may not have been made of bodies of their own kind originally. It might mean something if it did, but if they ended up mixed in later, it wouldn't change much.
The Hornsent were also
Anonymous No.718666290 >>718667127 >>718667329
>>718617596 (OP)
That's not Ashes of 1 Hour Ariandel
Anonymous No.718666468
>>718665573
The Hornsent build a giant tower with the bodies of Shaman used as 'bricks' in the construction.
This, by how the magic in the setting works, actually makes the tower divine and connected to real godlike power, via the Crucible of all life. Which the Hornsent already knew about and worshipped and regularly channeled through rituals.
They go further and build a gateway that is able to really connect to the divine, in this case going beyond the Crucible and attracting the attention of the Two Fingers and their control over the Order left behind by the Greater Will. This gateway may or may not have been made of bodies of their own kind originally. It might mean something if it did, but if they ended up mixed in later, it wouldn't change much.

The Hornsent were also hunting Shamans for another ritual, where they'd flay them apart and shove them in jars together to merge their flesh into a greater being. An Empyrean, a candidate to become a true God. This also connects to channeling the Crucible.
Marika, was the successful product of this system. A Shaman girl that came out of the Jar Ritual as a half-divine figure.
The Hornsent view this as a holy act and seemingly didn't expect that a product of it wouldn't appreciate what an honor it was.

Marika is brought up to the Gates of Divinity to become the God of the Hornsent. Through a city that was built out of her own people. Decorated with trees that are also Shaman women.
But when she gets to the Gates, she betrays them and kills almost the entire congregation with her new-found power, and claims Godhood for herself alone.
In this, she makes contact with the Two Fingers, not the Crucible that the Hornsent worshipped. The Two Fingers make her the center point of their Elden Ring system and facilitate Marika creating her Golden Order to reestablish their primacy over The Lands Between.

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Anonymous No.718666728 >>718667425
>>718665946
Stunlocking Knights and bashing through anything with high poise like Horned Warriors.
Lions Claw also gives you tons of hyperarmor.
Anonymous No.718666959 >>718669068
DLC is peak, just like base game
Anonymous No.718667127 >>718667329
>>718666290
Funny how people how quickly forget about this absolute trashfire of a DLC
The fucking non-boss fight was the cherry on top
Entirely salvaged by Friede boss
Anonymous No.718667176
>>718617596 (OP)
the skibidi fragments really fucked up people with pea brains huh
Anonymous No.718667329
>>718666290
>>718667127
I liked it.
>cool areas
>cool enemies
>cool boss
>cool new gear
It literally just was too short, but what was there was good.
Anonymous No.718667412
>>718645436
White men and contrarianism go together like avocado on toast.
Anonymous No.718667413
So why did Marika break the Elden Ring?
Anonymous No.718667425 >>718668731 >>718668986
>>718666728
Impaling thrust and wing stance also deal heavy poise damage and will poise break anything that doesn't just have infinite poise. Most weapon skills deal heavy poise damage, there's actually very few that don't.
Impaling thrust and wing stance also come out significantly faster and cost half or less as much fp at 7 and 8/10 vs lion claw's 20.
The only real reason to use lion's claw is if your weapon doesn't have anything better (hammers/flails) or for the raw stance (not poise) damage it deals, but in this case wing stance r2 deals just about as much.
Anonymous No.718667545
>>718637893
maybe messmers castle but everywhere else sucked ass to explore
Anonymous No.718667549 >>718667974
>>718617596 (OP)
The world design is leagues better than base Elden Ring which is one giant straight line to Leyndell with a couple areas off the beaten path. Having areas and dungeons intersect and weave through different elevations was far better.
Anonymous No.718667743
>>718621391
I know thats not what you mean, but, the reason I personally liked Radahn so much in base Elden Ring was because he was the evolution of what Burnt Ivory King was supposed to be, a raid boss which requires multiple guys in order to beat, and a boss like that was actually on my wishlist for Elden Ring prior to release. Once they nerfed Radahn into the ground he had no challenge, he genuinely felt like a superboss that you aren't supposed to fight until later. Its why I despise Promised Consort Radahn because it has none of the good things I liked about the original fight.
Anonymous No.718667974
>>718667549
>one giant straight line to Leyndell
Why are you such a lying sack of dogshit?
Anonymous No.718668061
>>718618316
>the story and lore
Imagine giving a shit about this retconned, badly translated slop
Anonymous No.718668183
>>718623913
>The Crusader stuff was all solid, Messmer and the Black Keep and the background for Marika was definitely the highlight of the game, but I found Miquella and his companions to be very poorly done
This. The Miquella content stank of rewrites, while the Messmer/Hornsent lore was allowed to be its own new thing (mostly) and was much more fleshed out and cohesive as a result.
Anonymous No.718668201 >>718668987
>>718634438
>It's pretty straightforward
>Proceeds to schizo write an entire essay on his headcanon.
Why are you such a fucking autistic failure?
Anonymous No.718668471
>>718637956
>every attack demands complete respect with one correct response and little to no room for aggression or experimentation
But enough about Gaius. Putrescent Knight was one of the most relaxing fights in the entire game, base game included. His attacks are all well telegraphed, which is more than I can say for shit like Margit. Anyway, fuck the boar riding gravity retard and his janky hit boxes.
Anonymous No.718668731 >>718668986 >>718670143
>>718667425
Wing Stance doesn't give the hyperarmor that you often need to trade with tankier enemies.
Impaling Thrust is fairly interchangeable with Lion's Claw. But I prefer knocking an enemy to the ground, over just doing damage.
Anonymous No.718668986
>>718667425
>>718668731
Regarding FP, it really doesn't mean much to me. Flasks are free, and there are enough graces or talismans that let you regain lots of FP, that there's no reason to worry about it, imo.
Anonymous No.718668987
>>718668201
The american education system failed you.
Anonymous No.718669027 >>718669316
the latest ongbal kino is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DhYPuDdHD0
Anonymous No.718669068
>>718666959
>didn't think much of Messmer at first reveal
>fight him and read his lore
>He's now one of my favorite from characters and tied with Godwyn for favorite Elden Ring characters
Kino boss fight
Kino ost
Anonymous No.718669278 >>718669731
>one of the worst games
>one of the worst game developers
>one of the most overrated studios
>some of the most copied, rehashed games which are praised for copy and pasting code because they don’t have to get diversity hires
Anonymous No.718669316
>>718669027
I have like 200 hours in Elden Ring and that feels like a ton, and that barely gives me time to beat most bosses once.
This guy's dedication to learning this shit is insane.
Anonymous No.718669369
>>718634843
>Vidyavaati will show some detail
Ahh yes, the guy who had to literally datamine deleted content to haphazardly make sense out of the game's SEVERELY retconned lore for his shit videos.

Lorekeks are so moronic.
Anonymous No.718669728
Literally just make ER2 in the style of Tesrs of the Kingdom. Same map, characters, etc with some enhancements learned from Nightreign (like a relic system) so we can delve into more of the lore (GEQ, Rauh, Nokron and other underground cities, etc)
Anonymous No.718669731 >>718672783
>>718669278
I mean you know that's not true, you can dislike the games but they're not "one of the worst".
You're overly emotionally invested in this and probably spend too much time on /v/ ingesting shitposts.
Anonymous No.718670057 >>718672576
>>718617596 (OP)
Elden Ring sucks
Anonymous No.718670143
>>718668731
You don't need to trade when your attacks come out faster. To be fair I forgot about the pancaking effect on lions claw though.
Anonymous No.718672576
>>718670057
Filtered lol
Anonymous No.718672783
>>718669731
Cope with your shitty series and lame combat and no story whatsoever and also crap music ohhh eeee emmm ohhh oohhh ohhh emmm ahhh