Thread 718645761

>Over 80 devs (one-third of the team) were laid off at Bioshock studio Cloud Chamber, with the game now delayed from a planned late 2026 - early 2027 release
>“While we’re excited about the foundational gameplay elements of the project, we’ve made the decision with studio leadership to rework certain aspects that are core to a BioShock game, and in doing so are reducing the size of the development team to focus on this work and give the game more time in development,” Ismailer wrote.
This game will never be released, right?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-20/take-two-guts-bioshock-studio-after-a-decade-of-development?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc1NTcxNDU0NSwiZXhwIjoxNzU2MzE5MzQ1LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUMUIxVEZHUFFRN1cwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiJCMUVBQkI5NjQ2QUM0REZFQTJBRkI4MjI1MzgyQTJFQSJ9.zVepbosqQPRpkHaMvUcaBAlKk73_0IkMGOvNKaKU6mE&leadSource=uverify%20wall

>>718645761 (OP)
considering how shit infinite was i have no expectations

Bioshock was never good. The setting is just neat, that's it.

>>718645761 (OP)
>80 devs (one-third of the team)
How did we get amazing games years ago made with unique engines made by like 30 people?

>>718645761 (OP)
>the 'closer'
Get this man on BG&E2

unimaginable crunch and suffering awaits those developers but it seems like they probably brought it on themselves for fucking around

Infinite is dogshit and should not have the name Bioshock. The same is certainly going to be the same for this.

>>718645761 (OP)
>Bioshock 4
Good.

>>718645761 (OP)
Another Bioshock where everything interesting gets chopped off because of incompetent leads. Great.

>>718645761 (OP)
Fucking really? They had to bring him again???? I remember when he was responsible for getting infinite out of the door, and they couldn't even show him a demo lmao. Crazy how this dude manages to get bsi from that state to release in like 6 months

>>718646738
Kinda wonder what he did exactly to whip a studio into shape that quickly.

80 people is one fucking third of an entire fucking team all focused on a single player story driven linear fps action adventure game running on someone else's graphics engine
AND
THEY
STILL
CAN'T
GET
WORK
DONE

>In 2017, a small group of leaders at 2K began hiring for what would become Cloud Chamber.
>The team produced a second vertical slice several years later that received glowing feedback from 2K executives, but behind the scenes, the game was facing problems.
>Internal reviews of the new BioShock earlier this year pegged it as fine but not exceptional and identified narrative issues, which led to the leadership change.
so it's another aaa company gives money to a studio who just meanders and makes shit for 8 years. same shit happened to perfect dark, you had execs like matt booty saying "ive played it, it looks great i can't wait for players to see it" and then its deleted within 1-2 years. i will never understand why aaa is like this. development time and cost keeps going up and near the end of a decade of development time and hundreds of millions, its a 50-50 shot the developers even made anything that's a game.

>>718645761 (OP)
damn it really sucks we wont get a 4th shitty game

>>718649551
Shave off 80% of planned content from a game whose demos ran on high-end PC's with no regard for consoles and was already re-written 5 times. It was really bad and got the studio shut down post-dlc.

>>718645761 (OP)
Why not give it to Nightdive? At this point selling the franchise for scraps would be more profitable for Take Two than to continue putting hundreds of millions into a project that is rewinded over and over and over again.

If they don't have Ken Levine what's the point of a new Bioshock? its pretty obvious he was the driving creative force behind it. You can see him do earlier themes in System Shock 2.

>>718653363
He better prove yourself with Judas then. Not many developers reps survive with making a spiritual successor to their popular game.

>>718653363
Bioshock 2 wasn't Levine and they did relatively okay

>>718645927
Too many cooks spoil the broth. Seriously, if all these big companies just split up their developers into smaller teams (instead of 2000 people working on a game with a 300 million dollar budget for 4 years to produce 1 game, have 100 teams of 20 make 100 lower-budget games for the same total cost or less, and in less time probably.) they would have way more products to sell and make way more money. Especially if there was zero creative meddling from execs, they would basically be funding a bunch of indie hits. It's no surprise that a lot of AAA devs are leaving their studios to make smaller indie studios and start from scratch.

>>718649551
>Kinda wonder what he did exactly to whip a studio into shape that quickly
he likely put levine and in a corner and told him to be quiet. there's already stories about judas taking eons because levine can't make up his fucking mind and the current employees there have an inside joke called "kenception" where they plant ideas in his head and trick him so he eventually pretends he came up with it. not even joking either, it was in a schreier/bloomberg article about 3 years ago. also remember irrational was shut down after infinite.

>>718645761 (OP)
>that link
normalfags still don't know to delete everything after the question mark

>>718653997
its for bloomberg's paywall

>>718653914
I still don't get why Levine shut Irrational down when he decided to make Bioshock-like anyway few years later with the same publisher. I guess other devs at Irrational got sick of him or something?

>>718645883
Infinite is still such a weird game.
When the thing released everyone was drolling over it likes its a massive achievement for gaming - the second coming of christ.
And the more time went on the more did people realize that its barely mediocre if at all - the more you think about Bioshock Infinite the worse it gets.

>>718645927
Bioshock never did that, though. 1 was a version of UE they personally butchered into barely functioning.

>>718654191
It came out during the time when the industry was desperate to become an art form and Bioshock series was the forefront of that movement. Also, there are other factors of play that made it especially hyped, like how it was Ken Levine's comeback to the series after his absence in Bioshock 2 and the Elizabeth character design and acting at the time which was compared to Alyx from Half-Life.

>>718654191
>When the thing released everyone was drolling over it likes its a massive achievement for gaming - the second coming of christ.
Journalists praising a kike's anti-white game, shocker

>>718645896
This? It might be better as a tv series

>>718645883
>>718654191
>Infinite is still such a weird game.
>When the thing released everyone was drolling over it likes its a massive achievement for gaming - the second coming of christ.
>And the more time went on the more did people realize that its barely mediocre if at all - the more you think about Bioshock Infinite the worse it gets.
The expedition 33 of its time

>>718654191
Late 7th gen had a lot of story heavy games that actually kinda blew if you only focused on the gameplay

>>718654213
The best uses of unreal engine is when game devs turn it into their own engine

>>718654043
https://archive.is/Nzzgt

>>718645761 (OP)
Good, I had no interest in the possibility of Bioschlock 4. Infinite was already a shadow of its predecessors. I can't imagine the rancid dog turd of a sequel produced by a modern studio, I would never touch it.

>>718655039
I think the problem is bioshock infinite plays like skyrim does

>>718654213
I never said Bioshock was amazing
Bioshock was 2007's TLoU
Mediocre game elevated to extreme heights by collective psychosis

>>718655473
Isn't it a lot more limited than Skyrim? Been ages since I played it but I remember the weapon loadouts and abilities being insanely limited. Don't have much experience with Skyrim so I can't really compare but everything I've heard about it makes it feel like it has more diverse gameplay by comparison.

>>718645761 (OP)
There's nothing you can do with the series after Infinite.
Multiverse shit with "constants" is extremely limiting. Ken Levine broke his toys and nobody else can play with them.

>>718655609
It's essentially just magic spell in your left hand, gun in your right hand, except you get like 5 spells and 5 guns that all kind of do the same thing just with a different color effect

>>718654191
I still don’t understand why Yahtzee liked that game so much.

>>718655745
LITERALLY just copy the Atomic Heart formula where you have an open "world" and Bioshock 1 style linear locations are nested in it. And just like that you have Bioshock that feels modern and appeals to zoomers while also retaining everything people love Bioshock for
>but muh story
Who cares, ask gpt for one, can't be worse than infinite. Add a daughterfu and you're set

>>718654191
Infinite intrigues me because of just how much got cut, even from just the prior trailers alone. And still more we never got to see.

>>718654191
Infinite was popular because of Elizabeth. Remove her from the game and no one gives a shit about it.

>>718645896
this, everyone pretending its just Infinite, lmao

>>718655039
>Idiotic story but people treat it like it rivals literature.
>Pretentious fanbase will not shut the fuck up about how their game is the only one that's "art."
>Gameplay is linear and mediocre.
>Carried by great art design and music.
Holy Truth Nuke.

>>718656069
>Who cares about the story in BioShock games
Everyone.

>>718656224
Not after 2 and Infinite. Infinite was pure nonsense and 2 was just a random side story. Do another random side story, who cares. The lore has been raped to death but so what. There's an infinite room for "deep" stories about a stoic man and his daughter wife rising up against some oppression or another

>>718645761 (OP)
A game absolutely nobody cares about (The Darkness II) came out a year before BioShock: Infinite with better gunplay, powers, writing and a more emotional story. Critics are insane.

>>718645927
graphics were easier to make. You only need 240 devs if you are focusing on graphics.

>>718653639
This would be helpful but believing that devs aren't part of the problem is naive
See >>718650593
Same shit happened with Anthem
Devs can be lazy, entitled and/or unrealistically perfectionist

>>718654191
>>718654328
>>718654418
Obligatory
https://youtu.be/l_u18_BKczg

>>718650593
>In 2017, a small group of leaders at 2K began hiring for what would become Cloud Chamber.
There's your problem. You can't just hire a random assortment of people, give them 400million dollars and expect a hit to pop out the other end.

There's a reason all the best games come from developers that were around since before the PS2 era and why its such a crime when any of the legacy devs get shut down.

>>718655745
Multiverse trope is a goddamn suicide imo. It, alongside time travel is the ultimate shark-jumping moments for storytelling. It's hard to take things seriously after that knowing that you can undo things.

>>718645761 (OP)
I worked under Rod Ferguson, I barely saw him but he was an insufferable wokie who gave our entire team talks about how important diversity was. I think he's probably just another clueless exec who has failed his way up the chain.

>>718655473
it's not a good game but you can't say it's as bad as skyrim. all the features in bioshit infinite largely work. you can tell it was playtested by humans at least.

>>718657534
Based on his background, the guy seems like some kind of corporate fixer who will ensure projects will actually come out, no matter the outcome.

>>718654191
Yeah it was odd. It felt nothing like the other 2 and was just a generic story focused shooter in a setting it barely did anything with

>>718645761 (OP)
It was gonna be faggy anyway, lets be real.

>>718657501
>You are one of infinite versions of you, now take these events seriously because they really matter a lot
How did this trend ever catch on.

>>718654191
There was that one guy on youtube who considered it the best game of all time for the longest part of his career.
Then he replayed it a few years ago and went "Hey wait - this game is kinda shit desu"

Sure, some games age like milk but Infinite didn't just age like milk. That thing straigh-tup turned into liquid ass. Watching someones classic turn from a 10/10 into a 8/10 or 7/10 is no surprise But someone going from 10/10 to "5/10 i never wanna play this again" sure is something.

>>718657534
Got any interesting insider stories?

>>718657628
Yeah, sounds familiar. We all know how the legendary benzies faired when people bought into another myth of a mysterious closer who is just a retarded executive suit who failed his way to the top.

>>718657825
>There was that one guy on youtube who considered it the best game of all time for the longest part of his career.
>Then he replayed it a few years ago and went "Hey wait - this game is kinda shit desu"
Yahtzee?

>>718657863
No because I barely saw the guy. My only impression of him was formed when he was lecturing us on the importance of diversity, telling us to race swap characters to maintain a franchise quota since they just killed off a black guy in another game.

>>718658065
Nah, some smaller youtuber. Sure Yahtzee is still riding Infinites dick but that probably only cause he hasn't replayed it yet

>>718655039
I also can't believe people think E33 is not utter shit.

>>718657812
I'd blame comic books and their multiverse shit.

>>718645761 (OP)
Bioshock died with Andrew Ryan

Captcha: TRPPN

>>718657825
It was the opposite for me, hated it when it came out but enjoyed it today. It's a fun braindead shooter and when you know that's what it is, it's easy to enjoy it. It only sucks when you expect it to be a Bioshock game

>>718658130
>Yahtzee is still riding Infinites dick
He doesn't. He still thinks it is fun, but much like Shadow of Mordor he thinks nothing of it.
https://youtu.be/onJryRYxYME?si=kqHk2hyfV3RVZ--E
He admitted that in hindsight the only reason he liked it that much was because it was different from the flood of slow paced cover based shooters/modern military shooters. He also realized how he brings up his other top 5 like Paper's Please, Ass Creed Black Fag, and Saint's Row 4 even recently while he almost never mentions Infinite, and he'd rather put Paper's Please as his best of 2013.

>>718650593
A combination of incompetence and people not doing any work results this. So many examples of this past decade.

>>718658616
>It's a fun braindead shooter and when you know that's what it is, it's easy to enjoy it.
The shooting is fucking terrible in Infinite. The fully upgraded rivet gun in 2, even the revolver in 1 with enemy appropriate rounds beat the shit out of any gun in Infinite.

>>718658940
>The reviewer who shat on KCD2* for muh Saviour Schnapps being too hard to get loves slop like SoM, Bamham, and Infinite
*The game has flaws that SHOULD be criticised, but the aspect he cried about is a non-issue and his seething exposed him as a casual.

>>718645761 (OP)
Didn't they just hire the Diablo 4 guy?

>>718645927
Most large development studios are laughably inefficient and have their priorities fucked up. They will assign a team of 10 people to work on a single 3d character model because they want every single pore on their face to be fully modeled with graphical fidelity as realistic as possible for modern hardware to handle. The vast majority of dev time now is spent on graphics because that's what is marketable. It's the first thing people see in trailers, it's the first thing people talk about on social media, and it's the first thing people will complain about if it's not up to snuff. It's essentially the face of the game. It advertises itself, and every AAA game wants to be able to advertise itself as being on the bleeding edge of visual fidelity.

That's also one of the reasons why despite dev time taking so long, games still release as buggy messes. Too much time spent detailing the protagonist's gumline or eyelashes. Too much time trying to get the lighting engine to reflect perfectly off the proud BIPOC's purple lipstick. Too much time spent trying to figure out why the UI for the microtransaction loot crate casino keeps freaking out whenever someone buys the premium 90,900+10,000 golden chips bundle for the low price of $110.99+tax.
It's honestly pathetic being a game dev for a big publisher, but it pays well and it's really not that hard. With a big ass team, no one notices if you're slacking off, so who cares?

>>718658940
Also
>Assassin's fucking Creed
I hate 7th gen babbies so much it's unreal. The FOTM slop Zoomers eat up has more value than 90% of "classic" Xbox 360/PS3 games like Gears of War, Uncharted, The Last of Us, Walking Dead, GTA, Halo, etc.

>>718659210
Don't forget that he shat on KCD1 for putting him in a forced fight because he couldn't learn the combat system and refused to train in combat in a game where Henry's dad in the tutorial chapter outright tells him that he won't be able to get away with everything in life the game without fighting.
He admits that the only reason he "thinks" he put Skyrim as his 5th best of 2011 was just peer pressure. Him liking anything by From soft, even demon souls, he totally changed his mind organically over time, should be proof that those games are not as "hardcore" as its sycophants believe they are.

>>718645761 (OP)
Shame. Most of the devs working on it were previously devs for Bioshock 2 iirc

>>718659531
>Him liking anything by From soft, even demon souls, he totally changed his mind organically over time
So he initially hated them before Souls became popular among normies?

>>718659396
>FOTM slop Zoomers eat up
Which is just Fortnite, Roblox, and shit so basic people recreate in Roblox and Fortnite.

>>718659365
oh forgot to mention, graphics has become a moving target for developers.
A game that started development 10 years ago will gladly throw out their entire asset bank in order to redesign things with newer rendering techniques or hardware in mind, because big publishers don't want to release a game that looks old; they want it to look shiny, new, and impressive in the trailers.
So you end up having to redesign everything at least once during a game's development cycle.

>>718659596
https://youtu.be/vQSCKAPqxoo?si=LEQWdgjBeubHtZi0
Makes DSP look like he hit the library to exercise his brain.

>>718659605
They weren't making any assets 10 years ago. Games remain in a pre production testing phase for many years before shit is greenlit for staff scale up.

>>718645761 (OP)
Uncharted 2,BioShock, metal gear solid, and team ico games are the only movie games I ever liked.

>>718659604
Fortnite is a Battle Royale TPS that stays true to being a Battle Royale TPS. It doesn't try to be a "piece of art" like The Last of Us or Bioshock Infinite. Roblox is a platform with dozens of games of pretty much all genres. None of them may be masterpieces, but people who enjoy them do so because they find them fun to play. If it weren't for all the groomers there I'd be glad that kids have access to so many titles with varying gameplay instead of them growing up with titles like Assassin's Creed.

>>718659843
I didn't say they were, but if they hash out all the details and start working on assets to begin development of the game proper, but a major development in rendering techniques, software, or hardware occurs during that time, they might decide they need to increase the quality of their own assets in order to better compete with other titles. This only adds more dev time. A game that would have taken 6 years might now take 10, for example, because they decided to implement a new lighting system or something.

>>718654191
I replayed it last year and I liked it, on a good day it's a solid 7. Combat actually does feel somewhat good in it, it's just a shame that they gimped the entire game by not having confidence in their own rollercoaster mechanic.

Story is FUN, there I said it. I think it's worth shitting on at a time where everyone was lauding it as the greatest gift to gaming, it definitely is not. But as like a dumb popcorn story about multiple dimensions it's enjoyable.

Also I enjoyed Burial At Sea, especially the 2nd one where you play Elizabeth

>>718660109
Bioshock 1&2 aren't movie games. There are barely any cutscenes, it's just that the gameplay feels outdated and inferior to SS2, especially the first game's.

>>718660312
Implementing a new lighting system doesn't require any new assets, you may have to reconfigure some materials but pbr shit was industry standard for the entirety of this games development. Besides ray tracing barely anything has changed in the graphics space, 10 year old games still look good.

>>718645761 (OP)
Is it dead or not releasing for a few years? You need to convince yourself before you can convince us, anon. Get your story straight.

>>718654191
what surprised me the most in recent years is the growing appreciation for bioshock 2. I'm not complaining, it's my favourite of the three, but I remember people hating its fucking guts despite it having the far superior protagonist and daughter combo and the one game villain I feel genuine hate towards

>>718651532
>with no regard for consoles
based you deserve nogames

>>718661150
The hate was because Ken Levine didn't work on it. It's also why Infinite was really hyped at the time with the prospect of him coming back.

>>718645761 (OP)
>Rod Fergusson
If it wasn't going to be woke and '''inclusive''' it definitely will be now

>>718661150
Not only was it not made by Irrational and Ken wasn't involved, but it also brought up collectivism as if it were "communism but somehow not communism but better than all the others" on its face with said face being Sophia Lamb, one of the most insufferable antagonists because around the time this game came out, the tumblr mob with the sjw cult of personality started to rise and spread en masse all over every form of social media available to spout their rhetoric--and Lamb effectively was mouthing the exact same shit.

Of course, anyone who actually played the game realized the game was dunking on all of this and Lamb ultimately was even more wrong than Ryan (which is an achievement onto itself) and the game was actually very good. It just had the single most fatal flaw of a Bioshock game: no backtracking possible. Meaning once you reached the end of the game, that was it. There was no "turn back" point where you could return and go find shit you missed out on. You had to get EVERYTHING on your first go, or else replay the entire fucking game from scratch to get EVERYTHING on that go. Add in the multiplayer which originally was being peddled as some god fucking awful CoD ripoff when people were openly sick of shunted in multiplayer in single player games (but wound up being actually very solid and fun, funny enough), and the game was rightfully shat on for the most part for these misgivings up until the DLC released. Then opinions on the game finally began to turn once the kneejerking wore off.

Then Infinite came after Levine famously shat on 2, and it made everyone rethink 2 entirely thanks to Levine showing his whole idiot ass. In retrospect, it's genuine comedy.

>>718661293
I'm beginning to notice a pattern that levine is actually kind of fucking stupid
>>718662635
>Sophia Lamb, one of the most insufferable antagonists
I don't even particularly care about Grace or Alexander, I'm fine with them living in theory but since the only way to get a happy ending where Sophia drowns is to kill them they get gunned down every single time
>no backtracking possible
yeah that annoyed me a fair bit, though I'd be happy with a game where you play a generic Big Daddy of any model where the goal is "wander around, protect Little Sisters while they're harvesting, maybe try to maintain parts of Rapture and kill splicers" like the Protector Trials but with free travel across the city.

>>718645761 (OP)
While it will most likely be shite, a linear story based FPS absolutely does not need a 240 people dev team and hundreds of millions of dollars
It's time to stop

>>718650593
>identified narrative issues
what did they mean by this

>>718664358
It means their activist writers can't write anything that is enjoyable or makes sense

Good.

>>718664250
Like what do you need 240 people for with this game anyway? Even Half-Life Alyx only took like 80 devs at most, and that's as AAA as it can get. It's not exactly open world anyway.

Rod fucks up everything, he usually gets on fucked projects but he never ships anything good either.

>>718664134
Kill Stanley and Alexander.
Former is an alcoholic that turned your daughter into a harvesting ghoul kid, the latter is a sea slug.
I like to let Grace live because her going "hmm maybe not all you golems are bad" afterward is funny to me.

>>718654191
>the more you think about Bioshock Infinite the worse it gets

>>718664817
His job isn't to ship something good, it's to ship something.

>>718658247
kys

>>718654191
I thought it was weird how much praise it got too. Until I realized Levine is literally jewish and the game is about how America is evil and bad and racist.
nobody can tell me I'm schizo for noticing. First half of the game is killing white anglo christians, second half of the game is killing Irish and blacks. This is supposed to be deep social commentary? No it is INTENSELY racial. Only a jew could make this subversive and racially violent of a game and get away with it. because they control the media and industry so no one dared call it out for what it was. IMAGINE if whites made a game about a floating evil dysfunctional city in Israel, their studio would be crucified

compounded by the "journalists" wanting vidya to be taken seriously as an artform/medium. That and the weird murky social movements/engineering surrounding gamergate. It had everything it needed to be a critical/industry darling.
yea I finished it. It was weird and suffered from development hell. The powers aren't as well-implemented as Bioshock1, the setting isn't as grounded. The political critique is just hateful nonsense and isn't as nuanced as Bio 1's

>>718664873
I'd prefer to let Grace live but last I knew you have to kill all three of them to get the good ending where Eleanor and the Sisters all look out to the sunset while Sofia rots either somewhere in that lifeboat or in the ocean. It's a shame too, since she actually gives you some help in the form of an elite sentry bot or two and supplies in Siren Alley.

>>718655039
At least it looked good, and it made 3D porn tech skyrocket. Still can't believe people look at Unreal slop 5 and think it doesn't look like the worst thing ever made.

>>718653620
it was the best one too

>>718665845
based and Delta-pilled

>>718650593
>i will never understand why aaa is like this.
lack of oversight and allowing "devs" to do nothing for half a decade
all those troons and women literally do nothing but pay themsleves 100k$+ bonus a year

>>718654191
when it released i immediately thought it was shit and now everyone sees things the way i do. thought the same same thing about hl2 too when it came out in 2004 and people have been gradually realizing this too

>>718655039
That's actually Metaphor ReFantazio.

>>718651127
this, i really wanted to play something mediocre that i'd completely forget about in a week

>>718665158
>the setting isn't as grounded
heh

>>718657812
soi retards thinking they are injecting real science into their fiction

multi verse shit is nothing but cope made by psued academicians

>>718661150
bs2 has the best gameplay of the three

>>718645761 (OP)
Oh no who's gonna lecture us about racism and trumfp now?

>>718658247
anon, most people are NPC retards. They are NPCs with zero standards. Always treat this filth like the biological garbage slave class that they are. If they like E33, you know they are braindead and you can exploit them guilt free.

Don't argue with them, just exploit them lol

>>718645927
Talent has leverage, it's better to hire a million monkeys for pennies and hope they make something playable.

bioshock 1 and infinite had decent enough gameplay, story kept me engaged, setting was pretty unique and interesting to me. i had fun with both games desu. the burial at sea was shit desu, just kind of thrown onto the end with the excuse of extending the story, but the story burial at sea was shit - like Elizabeth is effectively a time travelling immortal with some kind of partial omniscience over her own past and future - but uses this to track down the Zachary Comstocks in other timelines and kills them? Why? Spent her whole life dreaming of 80s Paris and now that she can live thereforever she choses to do this dumb shit?

Oh and did I mention that, with all these special powers, she goes back to Rapture because this one time in one timeline one version of herself accidentally killed one of the slug girls because in this timeline that was the correct way to bait out Comstock and kill him - so she merges all versions of herself into that timeline, effectively making herself mortal - and gets killed by some Rapture gangboss while trying to set it right? That is the dumbest shit. Killed off one of the very very few decent female characters in western video games.

OH and fuck: at the end of Infinite, THE whole reason she has to drown Booker (HER OWN FATHER AND ONLY FRIEND) at the baptism is because this is the only way to stop Booker DeWitt being baptised and becoming Zachary Comstock. So why is there still a Comstock alive in Rapture after this happens that she has to track down in Burial at Sea?

Burial at Sea as an utter piece of shit that ruined Bioshock 1 and Infinite.

>>718649889
>How are we supposed to work when democracy is under attack?!?!?!

>>718654191
No, I loved the concept and both previous titles, but even back then I dropped Infinite because it was complete fucking garbage. I even made one of these charts explaining why everything about Infinite was shit, posted it like dozen of time and half a year later it had thousands reposts here, so people always knew that Infinite was shit, the only people behind the curve were influencers like journalists and youtubers with their worshipers.

If you liked infinite it's because you were a child when it came out, either mentally or physically.
BioShock 1 was okay at best.
>t. old

>>718661150
I will never forgive 2 for removing the funny pipe minigame.

Also, I generally find Lamb a less interesting villain than Ryan.
She actually kind of gets annoying at points with her constant attempts at snide psychoanalysis.

>bioshit is dead
nice
lets celebrate

>>718646214
And this time we won't even get something like Elisabeth to entertain us

>>718656147
Yeah this, incredible western devs bought into the whole "NO FEMALE CHARACTERS DESIGNED FOR LE MALE GAZE" immediately after when nobody would give a shit about that piece of garbage if Elizabeth wasn't pretty.

>>718664873
It is very funny, simply due to the immediacy which she changes her tune.
As you walk out the door she blurts out:
"Fuck you then ya facking babysnatchin monster!!!"
And then literally half a dozen steps down the hallway she radios you up and is all like:
>Huuuh maybe Lamb was wrong... maybe you iz no so bad afta all?

Unfortunately, she is a nigger and every second I'm exposed to her ebonics-laden speech is like a potatopeeler to the nutsack.
So, Lamb's housecoon gets the electric chair in every playthrough.

>>718650593
>so it's another aaa company gives money to a studio who just meanders and makes shit for 8 years. within 1-2 years.
why do you take the word of some dumbass ceos as if they are knowledgeable about the quality of games?
for all that we know the game couldve actually been good but the suits didnt think it would generate enough of that magical engagement shit they got a hardon for

>i will never understand why aaa is like this.
the reason aaa studios have become like this is complicated
one, they flushed out the talent with time or they left on they own
two, the dumbass suits shook up the cultures within turning them into a joyless environment
three, its become a bureaucratic structure that works against the bold creatives

the thing these suits like the most is a safe design by commitee process and shoving shit out as long as it makes them money
they arent media experts by any stretch

>>718653363
>what's the point of a new Bioshock?
thats something people like strauss zelnick will never understand
as far as he knows the game established a name for itself so its ripe to squeeze money out of it

>>718667706
>She actually kind of gets annoying at points with her constant attempts at snide psychoanalysis
I don't so much find her compelling as I do find her a very easy character to feel a genuine loathing for; she's a narcissist with a saviour complex who decides to have a daughter for the express purpose of moulding into a mini-her before she decides that pumping her full of the minds and memories in Rapture (which all belong to people who are insane junkies, amoral psychopaths or other assorted issues) to create a messiah figure despite the previous attempt failing in every possible way. Hell, her hate of Delta is based entirely on the fact that her daughter prefers the creature specifically engineered to love and protect her over the mother who wants to warp her into something that she isn't against her will and actively tries to guilt trip like any one of the family cultists.

Jeff Gerstmann does a one man solo radio show where he talks about the weeks gaming news and i think he summed this up well this week with "Bioshock Infinite was intended to be the final game and making a sequel after the 'theres always a lighthouse shit' means we are going to get soulless sequels forever that mean nothing and in turn that ending means nothing or we dont and thats how bioshock ends and its pretty bad, but most people who would care are like 35 so the game wont be made for them anyway so whatever man"

>>718667168
>That is the dumbest shit.
Anon.
Elizabeth's primary character trait is that she's a imbecile.
As you pointed out, she killed her own father pointlessly because she fundamentally failed to understand her own power.
Like...
She wanted to kill Comstock by destroying his origin point - the formative event that causes Booker to become him.
Well, there are a lot of things that could go wrong in trying to change the history of people who are so intimately connected to you.
Basically begging to get hit with a grandfather paradox, but that isn't even the hurtle that trips her up.
She took the modern version of Booker, back to wounded knee, and then killed that version of Booker - leaving the past Booker still alive and leaving the timeline untouched.

Seriously, its a good thing she had a pretty face, because there is nothing going on under the hood.

>>718649889
OI CHUD THE 79 DIVERSITY HIRES ARE DOING THEIR BEST OKAY

>>718645761 (OP)
At this point i am just done whit any AAA games made in the USA.
I consider American games that are also not indies dead now and if any actually do come out and are not dogshite its a pleasant surprise.

>>718668739
I havent played 2 in ages [i love it though]. Reading your comment struck me how wild it is for Elanor that she genuinly loves Delta and sees her as her father. Her psychological conditioning from her time as a little sister could not be shaken off. How tragic

>>718645761 (OP)
>Meanwhile, Judas is seemingly fine
Turns out the problem was never Ken Levine?

>>718670042
Judas has been in development for over a fucking decade by this point. It is the definition of sunk cost fallacy.

>>718670042
>>718670191
this and not only this but also the game looks like shit. the graphics are worse than any Bioshock despite the last one being over a decade old, proving that PEOPLE are the limitation on projects like this. you need the right people or it becomes impossible to make things that were regularly being made decades ago.

>>718669858
The fruits of rapture are horrid things.
Seriously, who came up with doing that to little kids?
And who looked at that person's proposal and signed off on funding it.
Surely there had to be a less monstrous solution for farming Adam?
I mean - I know its Rapture and the whole guiding ethos is individual progress and liberty at all costs, but that's some Grade-S Sociopathy.
I have a hard time believing the perpetrators weren't hunted down by a mob and put down like dogs at the mere suggestion.

>>718669858
>how wild it is for Elanor that she genuinly loves Delta and sees him as her father.
the part that strikes me is that she KNOWS it isn't 'real'. She knows that it was effectively programmed into both her and Delta to love and care for eachother original nature be damned, that neither had a true choice in it, but she ultimately doesn't care. She chooses Delta, and it makes me cry like a little bitch to think about it.
>love is just a chemical, we give it meaning by choice

>>718670417
It is fun to imagine how the idea was received by the public upon introduction. It must have been somewhere around when the addictive properties of adam began to take hold of the city. A call to everyone with a young daughter to put them in a questionable medical program.
Jesus and imagine the first time you saw your daughter after the procedure.
Perhaps they told parents they would be given a percentage of the Adam recovered by the girls, sweeten the deal a little. Make that pill go down a little easier

>>718670695
A lovely sentiment from you at the end there. Honestly I can't say I'd have done any different. Imagine you have a friend that you have intense emotional connection to, now you know something has been done to your brain to actually force this feeling. It is artificial, but your emotions toward them still remain, synthetic or not. What a strange state that would be

>>718646214
Infinite is closer to Halo then it is to Bioshock 1. The instant I got a shield my heart fucking fell but I gaslit myself into thinking its not so bad.

So if the baptism after Wounded Knee was the key focal point in Booker staying Booker or becoming Cumstock, why didn't Elizabeth and current Booker time travel before Wounded Knee and sit on past Booker until the event passed?

>>718671369
Booker was struck with boomer confusion after being overloaded with all this multiverse nonsense. He wasn't thinking clearly and got swept up in the moment.
Elizabeth has no excuse. She's just an idiot.

>>718670417
Don't forget that, after a while, the conditioning done to those girls fail or at bare minimum starts to break down and (in Alexanders' words) they go "feral". His takeaway from that is not what they did to those children was an abomination, but that they could train and re-condition the older surviving sisters to hunt down and recover ADAM for "us" (probably meaning him and Lamb). The city was populated by so many psychopaths that it's incredible it lasted as long as it did.

>>718667706
>/v/ contrarianism has reached the point where people here gaslight themselves into thinking the Bioshock 1 hacking minigame was good

>>718672293
Fuck you man, I genuinely liked it...

The timing mingame might be good for pacing, but that doesn't change how devoid of soul it was.

>>718667567
I only played 1 and Infinite, so IDK about 2, but the one thing I think Infinite did better was have a separate meter for each power instead of a general MP meter. Encourages trying out different powers and having fun more.

>>718666875
>bs2 has the best gameplay of the three
no, definitely not. Infinite does if we're talking pure mechanics and game feel.

Bioshock 2 has the same clunky feel of 1 except they let you fire plasmids while using guns, that's the one QoL it has, other than that the combat of 2 is actually worse than 1 because there's way more enemies and since the combat feels so shitty, there being more of it just makes for a worse experience. It's like the first game, it is by far the most fun to play in the first 3 levels, after that, especially late game when they start throwing a lot of enemies at you it just gets less and less fun and more muddled and annoying to deal with. That's basically all of Bioshock 2, there's never a real cohesion to the combat its just a mess.

>>718645883
>>718654191
Am I only the one that didn't give a shit about Bioshock for the story and just liked the gameplay? I thought it was a fun survival-like game with the limited ammo and resources and light RPG elements. Then Infinite really disappointed me because it just felt like a generic shooter with a pretentious story.

>>718672809
>there's way more enemies and since the combat feels so shitty, there being more of it just makes for a worse experience.
That's Bioshock Infinite. Bioshock 2's weapons curbstomp how Bioshock Infinite feels any fucking day of the week.
>gets less and less fun and more muddled and annoying to deal with
Sounds like you're shit at a piss easy game to the point that you can insta harvest every sister without even doing the harvesting game and still breeze through with the power of a few tonics and weapons that actually fucking kill, while everything feels like a peashooter in Infinite.

Ken levine is a retard who thinks he's smart because muh atheism.

>>718673459
the only weapon in bioshock 2 that feels a bit like a peashooter imo is the rivet gun on bodyshots, but it still does very good damage on headshot even with the basic ammo, and if you take headhunter and the heavy rivets it can fuck up even brute splicers quickly. I do wish Delta and Sigma didn't feel so fragile even with max health upgrades and both armoured shell tonics, but it is what it is.

>>718670963
thank you anon. I can't claim the quote as mine since it's one of the many things Eleanor says to or about Delta, but they all have the same theme of her genuinely loving Delta as a father. The first part is her telling you that she knows you probably didn't even want a daughter (which is echoed in some of the endings). Artificial or not, Delta is her whole world because he is "the one good thing Rapture gave her" and even when you're dying she wants to take you to the surface in the hope that she can find you help. She's the princess in the tower who helps her "shining knight" when he's helpless - if you choose to die in the ambiguous ending, she says you gave her the freedom she never had and that she misses you . It's sweet enough to make a man sick.

>>718654191
Infinite was the last game I ever pre-ordered. I learned my lesson.

So where exactly is Bioshock 4 supposed to be taking place at? A new city or something?

>>718655534
Nah, it sold a cool world and had fun characters. It was an experience with its storytelling rather than just gameplay and nothing else. Was the gameplay as amazing as possible? Nope, but plenty of beloved games are like that.

>>718645761 (OP)
And that's a good thing. Here's why.

Bioshock is fucking terrible, no loss at all with it gone. Good riddance.

>>718656013
didnt yahtzee make a video like a year ago just to ask that question himself regarding his poor goty choices

>>718645927
Straight White men vs every gay flavor of the rainbow and women being heavily involved as anything more than concubines for the male developers

>>718669858
Nah mate, conditioning is what she got all her life from her mother, with absolutely no regard for what Eleanor herself did or did not want.
Big Daddy Delta however protected her and would tear up an entire city to see her safe and happy. No wonder Eleanor chose him.

>>718645761 (OP)
didn't the dev team who worked on Mafia 3 originally also work on this?

>>718673332
It always just felt like a generic shooter. Never understood the hype at all tbqhwy

>>718670782
Didn't they use orphans? I know that Fontaine built an orphanage for them which Ryan later took over.

Wokies go brokies
Press [s] to take a fat runny shit on this pathetic industry

>>718679075
Hangar 13? Don't think so.

>>718673332
I do agree that the gameplay is the most disappointing part

as fucking retarded as the story it, it's a servicable enough tale to go through, but I really can't forgive removing gameplay elements that were in the original Bioshock (or even some of the gameplay improvements that 2 brought), like where the fuck are different ammo types?
Why is the clothing system so much worse than the tonic system?
why are there so many less plasmids, and why do they have less effects and interactivity, whilst also being far less balanced (once you get the shield plasmid in Infinite, then you've won the game, because the alt fire is so broken that you can one shot a handyman with their own attacks)?
Why do I have the option to upgrade guns if you're only going to give me a 2 gun capacity and make it so that some levels DO NOT HAVE ANY OF A WEAPON TYPE? I distinctly remember upgrading a gun, and then the next 3 levels had ZERO ENEMIES USING THAT GUN, meaning I had just wasted my fucking upgrade point because there
was no ammo to use it.

Every single aspect of Infinite's gameplay is a regression, and that's just not fucking aceptable.
In hindisght, Elizabeth porn and the subsequent SFM renaissance was the ONLY good thing to come from that game

>>718645761 (OP)
good

>>718654191
>When the thing released everyone was drolling over it likes its a massive achievement for gaming - the second coming of christ.
One you play it you understand why it was praised by the mass media.

>>718656013
because as cutting and biting and funny as yahtzee can be, he is also a giga redditoid at heart who cant resist a good semi-masked "white people bad" story

>>718656013
Yahtzee frequently has bad takes based entirely around his own biases towards writers that write like he does and/or wants to. He'll praise terrible games with plot points he likes and deride awesome games because he wants the writing to go in a different direction. People just like "le funny fast talking british man", don't confuse that with people genuinely valuing his opinion. I'm not even sure he thinks that means people care what he thinks, he doesn't seem THAT deluded.

>>718658247
Because you have very low intelligence and can't grasp that people have diverse tastes. Go watch your dbz.

>>718658343
Bioshock 2 was great, if you didn't enjoy it than you never really appreciated Bioshock at all.

I'd rather have a Bioshock TV show

>>718645761 (OP)
>industry 'closer'
>now game is delayed even longer
Is he supposed to 'close' games a get them out?
Or is he the guy who closes down studios?

>>718670392
The fuck are you talking about? The game looks gorgeous.

>>718684839
??

>1/3 devs fired
I bet the HR, diversity manager, scrum master, community manager and other positions are intact

>>718650593
it's the same with the Subnautica Krafton shit and the lazy calicuck ceo, they just take the money and make the bare minimum they can get away with without getting whipped in the ass, it's why the crunch existed and should continue to exist but because of leftist cities and idiotic overly cushioning work laws passed in those cities nothing ever fucking gets done now